O’Malley disturbed by Obama on abortion

I'M MORE DISTURBED BY THE CHURCH AND ITS RECENT AND ANCIENT HISTORY OF ABUSE.

Since we've got so much money lying around, why not kill some foreign babies!

Maybe the Cardinal should stop trying to exert control over the freedom of women to choose what happens to their bodies and focus on the clergy members in his own religion diddling little boys.

I might take the Cardinal a little more seriously if his own organization were not so misogynistic and allowed women to serve in equal positions as men.

War is a great evil, yet O'Malley continues to support the warmongering group that is the Republican Party. Torture is a great evil, yet O'Malley continues to support the torture enablers that are the Republican Party. Assaults on the poor are a great evil, yet O'Malley continues to support the oligarchs and elitists that are the Republican Party. Racism, sexism and homophobic bigotry are great evils, yet O'Malley continues to support the racists, sexists and homophobic bigots that are the Republican Party. Indeed, he shows himself to be a homophobic bigot. If O'Malley wants to help reduce the number of abortions, he's going to have to suck it up and stop whining about family planning. Until he does, he has nothing to bring to the table. And no one elected him to manage public policy. He should remember that even Catholics voted overwhelmingly for this President. In spite of his attempts to have them do otherwise.

Abortion ends human life. The fact that members of the Catholic church have committed wrongs in the past, doesn't make that fact any less true.

Yes hypocrisy!

By killing as many babies as possible, we can help ensure that all of the abuse-loving Catholics (all 1 billion) have less children to abuse.

abusing children = bad and disturbing.
killing babies = okay.

Hmmm... I wonder why we never read scathing blog postings from Cardinal O'Hypocrite blasting Bush's or McCain's support for the death penalty or foreign wars? Or how about the gutting of the welfare system or public education? Here's an idea for the self-righteous; turn your indignation towards eviscerating the policies from both parties that perpetuate poverty and illiteracy and put away the agenda-filled political soapbox. At least that I could respect.

Hey hypocrisy,

Get over it. This article has nothing to do with the abuse scandal. I am tired of people like you bringing it up over and over again when you have nothing better to say. The total number of abuse cases in the church is miniscule compared to the total number of abuse cases in other professions. Yet people like you and the media ignore that fact because of your obsession with the church. If you are so concerned about abuse, then what about underage girls who are allowed to be taken over state lines to get abortions without all the information and without parental consent. That is abusing our youth. Or what about babies being aborted in other countries just because they are female and the US funding this? That is abuse. 50 Million innocent children aborted since Roe V Wade. That is abuse.

Obama is no better than Bush. Look at his executive orders in the few weeks since he took office. He has signed order giving groups like planned parenthood and Unions anything they want. This is his way of paying for thier votes. Just look at his pork filled stimulus package. He is giving is special interests cronies anything they want while the rest of us get screwed. Obama is a phoney.

www.silentscream.org

OnTheLeft,
I think you are ignoring the fact that catholic teaching does not fit neatly into the American Political categories of liberal and conservative. It is completely consistent with Church teaching to be pro-life, anti-gay marriage, anti-death penalty and support social justice for the poor among other things. This presents a problem for practicing catholics when they go to the polls. Do you vote for Republicans that oppose abortion? Or do you vote for Democrats that have a better track record in helping the poor? As a result, a catholic vote for Obama, or even any other democrat, doesn't necessarily mean that they support abortion. Likewise, a catholic vote for a republican does not mean that they oppose social justice.

ontheleft, Great post. I would add the death penalty. This barbaric practice of making the state carry out revenge is only shared by unenlightened third world countries. It was brought back by Republicans (after this scourge almost completely left our land) and continues to be supported by right wing Christians. I will listen to discussions of support of life when the hypocrites in the church acknowledge that this right has to include the death penalty, protection of the environment and protection of the health of the living. O'Malley is only interested in birth...after that, you are on your own.

He go_obama and OntheLeft,

First of all I am tired of people like you bringing up the abuse scandal when you have nothing better to say. The number of abuse cases in the church was miniscule compared to abuse cases in other denominations and other professions. Get over it.

Secondly, you don't like the fact that women cannot be priests, then find another church. If you think the church mistreats women, try being a muslim to see how they treat their women. (Oops! I forgot it's ok to attack the Catholics but its not politically correct to offend any one else like the Muslims. )

You make all kinds of ridiculous statements about Republicans without looking at the politicans you support. How much Obama kool aid are you drinking? You want to talk about racism and attacking the poor? The founder of the abortion movement and Planned Parenthood was openly racist and wanted abortion and contraception to eliminate the "less desirable" races. The overwhelming majority of abortions are done by blacks and other minorities and those with lower income. Your precious Obama has become the face of black genocide because the abortion rights he so proudly supports is destroying his own people.

You complain about the wars and the lives lost and the torture, but I guess you have no problem with 50 million lives destroyed by Roe v Wade since 1973. You call Republicans sexist, yet your precious barry Obama supports funding abortions over seas which will be used to abort more females than males.

You can call us homophobic bigots. But the truth is that we believe what we do because of our faith and we will not change our principles for the sake of tolerance or being politically correct.

As for Catholics overwhelmingly supporting Barry, look closely at the numbers. The majority of those "calling themselves" Catholic voted for Hussien Obama, but the majority of those Catholics who attend church regularly did not vote for that fraud obama.

What really frightens (to say nothing of appalls) is the degree to which the current US president, unlike his predecessor, feels comfortable challenging the Vatican on the most important issue of the day, if not of all time.

Most disturbing.

If the Catholic Church is that horrified by abortions, then they need to lay the heck off condom distribution. If Catholics don't want to use birth control, that's their business, but stop getting in the way of the rest of us. Who the heck likes abortions? Yet ironically, the policies of the Catholic Church make them more responsible for abortions than anyone.

Yea Obama, science and common sense at last.

Yes more of these phoney liberals coming here to justify their support of murder of unborn children using all of those "red herrings" to distract from their derpraved hearts. Abortion is unjustifiable murder, pure and simple.

Everyone talks about "choice", and isn't it odd that the pro-abortion crowd gets to chose, but the person most affected by the murder has no choice. That is the ultimate hypocracy. But wait - Save the Whales!

The best way to decrease abortion is to promote safe sex. Until the catholic church promotes safe sex, condom use, and equal rights for women, I will find anything they say about abortion to be meaningless.

Rob -- the Catholic Church is not like "other professions". Abuse covered up by the Bishops and the Institutional church is much worse in really profound ways. That you cannot see that is both amazing and sad to me.

D. Magis Tyreum, I'm really confused as to why the President would have to take the Vatican into account at all, whether to challenge it or to agree with it.

LIzW is absolutely right. The Catholic Church (and most other fundamentalist religious organizations) have fought tooth and nail at the state, federal and international levels against comprehensive sex education and the use of condoms and other contraceptives. The result is inevitable - more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions. Studies consistently demonstrate that abortion rates are much lower in countries where abortion is legal and sex education and access to contraception are readily available than in countries where abortion is illegal, sex education emphasizes abstinence and contraceptives are unavailable to those who need them. But the sad truth is that the Church is more interested in controlling people's sex lives than in preventing abortion or in seeing that children are born into families that can provide for them.

Saying "I personally opposed to abortion, but I don't want to impose my belief on someone else" is like saying "I'm personally opposed to child molestation, but I don't want to impose my personal believe on anyone else". BOTH are intrinsically evil, and ONE intentionally terminates an innocent human being.

Talk about hypocracy. In most states, if a person shoots and kills a mother and unborn child, it counts for 2 homocides, not 1.

Why don't people simply state what legalized abortion is: It is a "carve out" to the crime of murder. (It really does not even to
get to religious issue kids ...)

MFJ - I'm being sarcastic. Let me try again.

Non-Catholics are simply incapable of appreciating the fact that none other than Christ Himself spoke out authoritatively on the issue of abortion; the relevant passage is in Leviticus:

"Thou shalt make of this wedge issue [abortion] a cudgel by which to winnow the flock and beat back the proponents of representative government, so that a celestial monarchy may rule over the earth."

It's right before the section where Christ specifies an all-male, heterosexual, and celibate clergy.

Maybe the government should make all U.S citizen to get a licence to have any
children. That way everyone is protected, the to be parent, the unborn so on.

abortion is equal to killing and that's not right.

hhhmmm.... lets see. The Cath church has molested how many kids, harbored nazis, and even the latest pope was a nazi youth. These clowns feel like they have some form of high ground because they wear a jewel encrusted ball gown, or in this guys case, a potatoe sack?

BTW, molesting helpless kids, and then covering it up doesnt look good in your gods eyes either.

Hugs and kisses for terrorists, and a painful death for unborn children.

Obama has some sick priorities.

Despite the arguments of some here, it is abundantly clear that the Catholic hierarchy will make a great deal of noise about abortion and almost no noise about poverty, homelessness, the war, the death penalty, torture, and many other issues that would make Republicans look bad.

Furthermore, the sexual abuse scandal continues to be relevant. How can a church that institutionalized abuse and systematically protected the abusers claim any moral high ground?

Yet another reason that I--and millions of others--are no longer Catholic. I suggest the Globe find someone with moral standing to comment on issues other than the Cardinal.

I am not Catholic. He does not speak for me.

Save your dictates for your congregation and get away from me.

Dear Rob,

The catholic church had a few abusers in their midst, and that can happen to everybody who hires a large number of people.

What does not happen to everybody else is that the employer PROTECTS, AIDS and ABETS the criminals.

You go pretend that the small numbers of abusers actually prosecuted mean it was not a problem. Any sane person knows that covering those crimes was as evil as committing them. God knows I will never forgive that institution for that.

Who Cares, You and your leaders need to Worry about keeping your priests out of boys pants. You have no business preaching to those of us who are not Catholic, nor have any inclination to become Catholic. I've never met a Catholic who was not a hypocrite & I know more than a few who have had abortions yet still go to a Catholic Church. I have my beliefs & you have yours. You need to keep your religion separate from my beliefs, & more importantly, your religion has no place in politics or U.S. Law, aka Separation of Church & State. If we have to follow Catholicism when we write our laws, that means we must also follow Muslim theology, including the the beliefs of the Taliban. Preach your beliefs in your church. Rabbis can preach in their synagogues, & Muslim Leaders may preach in their mosques. Religion is a worthwhile freedom that maintains it's freedom in this country based on the Separation of Church & State. We must stop the policies of the past administration that allowed this separation to be co-mingled especially in the Judicial Branch.

I'd guess that some of these bloggers had mothers who were so busy with too many children they didn't have time to check the spelling of their older ones.
Anyone who wants to believe in the Bible is free to do so. However, the law of this land is the Constitution. What the Bible dictates may be of interest to some but it is completely irrelevant to the governance of our country. Unwanted children do not, despite the hyperbole of the so-called right to lifers, live happy and fulfilled lives.

Yes more of these phoney liberals coming here to justify their support of murder of unborn children using all of those "red herrings" to distract from their derpraved hearts.

You have a lot of anger that comes from struggling with your secret urges, which you find shameful. Perhaps they are shameful. Many of your kind seem to have such urges. In any case, a professional could help you deal with them better than a message board.

Abortion is unjustifiable murder, pure and simple

LOL.

Magis Tyreum, are you serious? Jesus is quoted in Leviticus? Leviticus is the 3rd book of the bible and Jesus is certainly not quoted anywhere within it. But I am not surprised that you would be a fan of Leviticus. It's got a lot of the gloom and doom fire and brimstone that fear mongerers and intolerant folks like yourself get off on. No, Jesus did not tell his people to use this 'wedge issue' (wedge issue is a fairly recently coined term and certainly wasn't translated from Hebrew to support your argument) to create national division. Moses wrote the words given to him by Yahweh. You do write fairly well but you are hard to take seriously as a Christian when you lie to make a point. But while you are bringing Leviticus up, and mentioning a few of the rules put forth within to somehow give credibility to the parts that you made up. Quoting Leviticus is used regularly for haters masquerading as Christians to jusitfy things like slavery, keeping the races separate and subjugating women.

Careful, D. Magis, he's watching you.

D. Magis Tyreum,

Uhm, Leviticus is the third book of the Old Testament and predates Christ by about 4000 years

The catholic church has tried to control and manipulate the masses for centuries and continues to do so with the abortion issue. Get over it, you do not and cannot control ones own body. Let god if you beleive in one or not be the judge on ones decisions and not the beaurocracy of the catholic church and the other judgmental religions of the world... Excommunicate O'malley

black women are 3x more likely to have abortions than white woman. if abortions were illegal, there would be a lot more black people. pro-abortion = racial discrimination ?

I'm continually disturbed by Cardinal O'Malleys pandering to the GOP. Hundreds of thouands dead in Iraq - Bushs war of choice and not a word about it from the good cardinal or his so called pro life supporters on this board. To enlighten you all Pope John Paul 2 referred to the Iraq abomination as "An Unjust war". and there are hundreds of thousands dead as a direct result. So you are selectively choosing which parts of catholic doctrine suit your political preference.
You are also backing with what has to be one of the most racist political parties in the western world. Thats obvious from any demograhic analysis of voting - Down in the solid south , can be any denying that pure racism is a signifinant factor in electing gop buffoons and zealots into office. So we have Cardinal O'Malley telling us that he doesnt understand how anyone be consider themselves Catholic and vote democrat. The point should be made all the time that the reverse is a more valid question. - "how anyone can consider themselves Catholic and vote GOP" Rush Limbaugh , a horrible venomous human being if ever there was one is the de-facto face of that party . The GOP base is strongly influenced by him ... and the Cardinal tells us , he doesnt know how we can vote democrat if we are Catholic.

In the same week Obama chose to release terriorist murderers from Guantanamo Bay and sentenced thousands of innocent babies to death. This is the culture of death not of hope. As O'Malley said, in third world countries they abort the girls. Wait until the gene for homosexuality is found (since leading science says it is not a choice) and parents start asking for that genetic test before they choose to "selectively reduce" their pregnancy. If you were not raped and you are not dying, then you chose what you wanted to do with your body when you got in bed. I'm a woman. I accept that I have a greater responsibility over life and death. It is a gift, not a punishment and playing God is dangerous business.

Michael Paulson, please check again what the "Mexico City Policy" is, as you have mis-described it. Money from the US cannot be used for abortions by law, and Obama's Executive Order does not authorize any money for abortions. Read the White House statement you link to.
Instead, it reverses a gag rule, that prohibits USAID money going to an organization that _discusses_ abortion using _non_US money. It does _not_ authorize "federally funded nongovernmental organizations from using those funds to pay for abortions." It does not allow such organizations to use US money to discuss abortions. It allows such organizations to use non-US money to discuss abortions.

I'm sure that if Obama were Catholic, or if the Catholic Church hadn't institutionalized child rape, then this pronouncement by a Church official would be meaningful. As the facts currently exist, this pronouncement carries no weight.

Ahhh big surprise.... more Catholic bashing.... Get a life people.

I tell people that I used to be a democrat, but then I got a brain and became a republican. Posts on this board bear me out. The lack of logic, the lack of sheer brain power among liberals/democrats is absolutely staggering. Even my 18yos is flabbergasted at the sheer idiocy of liberal/democratic reasoning.

LizW, actually abortion, infidelity, children being raised without fathers, divorce and STD's have all increased DRAMATICALLY as prophesied by the the Pope in the 60's since birth control became commonly used in our country. Believe it or not it is possible for people to live without sex. What we have done is told our kids I know you can't keep from having sex, so please use condoms, etc. It aint worken. My son is one of seven grandchildren between the ages of 14 and 27. Two are now married an waited until marraige. The other five are virgins. I'm not trying to sound holier than thou and of course some young people will turn away form their parents teaching but the percentage increase dramatically if they are taught abstinence and self control. It's amazing to me that people don't see God is sending a clear message about premarital sex in many areas incuding the fact we went from what 2 STD's 30 years ago to 50 or so now. Also the Catholic Church stand on the death penalty has always been only if the person responsible can't be stopped form doing it again. In our lifetimes the Catholic Church has never supported killing anyone. I would also like to see where Cardinal O'Malley supported the Iraq war people keep referring to. Although the Church teaches war is sometimes justified, I know the Pope doesn't support it and I don't believe O'Malley does either. As far as the wonderful democratic party supporting the poor again I'd like to see some facts. One fact is the Catholic Church provides MORE talent and treasure to helping the poor then ANY OTHER organization in the world. It's OK to disagree with what the Church teaches but please stop making things up. I will praraphrase one of my favorite quotes. "There aren't 100 people whom hate the Catholic Church but there are thousands whom hate what they perceive the Church to be. There is also talk about all Catholcis being hypocrites and many are. I and my community and my pastor are not. We are human and we sin of course but that doesn't make us hypocrites. The problem is those that rebel against the Church not those whom do there best to follow what the Church teaches. Of course the biggest problem is the lukewarm. I challenge those whom have never met a Catholic whom is not a hypocrite to direct a comment to me as I'd love to discuss this further with you. individually. Peace and Blessings.

"When we see the numbers of abortions being performed in the developing world — many of which are directed at girls in the womb"

Okay. So the poor and the destitute served by NGOs now have access to determining the sex of their babies? How silly.

If you think there are no more baby diddlers in the Catholic church, or any other church for that matter, you've got to go get your head examined. What, do they have some sort of new device that points out who's a child molester and who isn't? No. Do you think they found them all by some sort of divine intervention? No.

Why anyone would put their children in harm's way by continuing to attend is beyond me. But, some people hit their kids, some people don't use seatbelts, some people get plastered and drive around endangering others without a thought. And many of these are Catholic too, so why not.

I like how murder, rape, extermination, persecution, theft, hypocracy, are all melted down into "The fact that members of the Catholic church have committed wrongs in the past". I would add, and are in the present and will in the future continue to commit "wrongs". Isn't it funny how they've committed fewer since man has begun to question the supremacy of the church. It might prompt one to start connecting the dots.

Less church = safer kids
Less church = fewer burnings at the steak
Less church = fewer witch hunts
Less church = fewer holy wars
Less church = fewer golden idols
Less church = more money in your own pocket
Less church = you get to decide what happens to your body
Less church = a one on one relationship with God
Less church = more personal responsibilibty for your actions

If you can handle it.

Here's the funniest thing of all. They want to stand together. The church is one whole, it is one thing made up of all it's members. Yet, when one does something wrong, it is just that member that has committed a crime, not the whole church. What a blessing, to have your cake and eat it too. With schemes like these, it's a wonder there are any humans left on the planet.

I actually wish we would stop reporting on what religious leaders think about politics.

Women say they have the right to choose what they want to do with there own body. I have no problem with that. A fetus inside a woman is another human body. They have no right to destroy that body. God knows the name of your baby before you do. How could anyone destroy a gift God has given them. Before you choose to kill a beautiful child, please ask God for his guidence. Don't go through the rest of your life with a horrible guilt that may destroy you.

D. Magis, like the other poster's said, Lev predates Christ. The rules and regulations in that book were specific for Israel at that time when they were living in the desert and learning to be God's chosen people. If you really believe in Jesus as the son of God, you would realize that all of that changed when Jesus came. And as for him specifying an all male clergy, you obviously translate the bible to suit your own agenda. Miriam (Moses' sister) was a priestess for heavens sake!

Billjack545 and HBX,
Billyjack, you wrote "Rob -- the Catholic Church is not like "other professions". Abuse covered up by the Bishops and the Institutional church is much worse in really profound ways. That you cannot see that is both amazing and sad to me."

Look at these figures that the media does not publicize. This was compiled by Sam Miller a Cleveland Businessman for an article in an Ohio Newspaper.

"Research by Richard Blackman at Fuller Theological Seminary shows that 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact. In a 1990 study by the United Methodist Church, 41.8% of clergywomen reported unwanted sexual behavior by a colleague; 17% of laywomen said that their own pastors had sexually harassed them. Phillip Jenkins concludes in his book “Pedophiles and Priests” that while 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia, 10% of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia."

Even in this blog today, there is an article about sexual abuse in a Jewish community. But everyone keeps jumping on the Catholic Church because it is such an easy target. Yes there was a coverup by some bishops and priests but don't blame the entire Church for the poor decisions of a few of its members. Cardinal O'Malley as well as the other Cardinals and the Pope have gone to great lengths to clean up this mess and weed out the causes of it, namely active homosexuals hiding in the priesthood and seminaries. But its more politically correct to constantly attack the Catholic church while turning a blind eye to same problems in other denominations and communities.

Less Church = more abortion
Less Church = more corruption
Less Church = more AIDS
Less Church = fewer hospitals
Less Church = fewer adoptions
Less Church = less charity
Less Church = more government as God
Less Church = more Michael Moores
Less Church = more pagans

When government stomps out God, government becomes your God. (ie, see Obama).

You people are crazy. Abortion is murder and murder is the taking of an innocent life. Killing is different. The Bible and the Catholic Church oppose the taking of an innocent life, not killing. Killing a person via the death penalty is taking the life of someone who has either taken the life of another (murder) or simply ruined the life of another (rape).
And please stop with the "I'm personally opposed to abortion" nonsense. You either believe that it is right or wrong. If it is wrong then it should not be permitted. End of story. Since when is it the government's job to take our moneys and use them for
abortions oversease anyways?

Really, there were only two sexually transmitted diseases 30 years ago? Maybe you were just ill informed 30 years ago. And birth control caused divorce? This is truly fascinating. Personally, I would prefer people to get divorced rather then live in loveless or abusive relationships. Perhaps the increase in divorce was caused by the gradual liberation of women over several hundred years from chattel to actual human beings.

And it's a fetus, not a baby, by the way. Just like an egg isn't a baby. After it is born, it's a baby.

The hostility from these atheists toward Christianity reveals the visceral hatred and religious bigotry of the Left. I suppose they would have been comfortable with many of Hitler's views of religious thinkers, especially the Jews. What these Leftists don't get is that the ideology that justifies abortion is precisely the same that justified the slavery that they stupidly condemn the GOP for - the idea that "some people are more human than others". Instead of claiming that abortion is protected by some vague notion of privacy rights, it would be more accurate by their justifications to base abortion on PRIVATE PROPERTY rights, as they did with the Africans they made "choices" for as well.

Many don't know that about 80% of Down-Syndrome children are aborted in the US. A record threatened by the example of Sarah Palin, whose "choice" was seen as horrible, as her smiling child was a shame to those women who believed the lies of the abortion racketeers.

But now that we've decided that retarded people's lives simply "aren't worth living", I wonder how long it will be before we become "enlightened" enough to figure out that at a certain advanced age, the elderly are no longer "productive", their lives are no longer "worth living", so the best thing is for the young strong fully human Liberals to "use their freedom of choice" to gently, beautifully end the sad lives of our grandparents. See, when lthe "fully human" get to chose for the "less than fully human, many "choices" will be made. Just ask Dredd Scott.

Folks, folks...

Of course Jesus couldn't have written Leviticus. I thought that would be obvious enough so that the utter outrageousness of the quote (and the claims it advances) would come through. But apparently it didn't, for which I apologize.

Let me try one more time. I respectfully question the move, among many Catholics and their clergy, to make opposition to abortion a sine qua non for membership in the communion.

I question whether this makes sense politically, pastorally, as well as whether such an emphasis is what Jesus would have wanted.

Please note that I am not saying that Jesus (should He be here in physical form already) would definitely be pro-choice. I am also not saying He would definitely be pro-life. I am simply wondering if He would approve of the way the abortion issue is currently being used to a) exclude people from the Church and b) advance the cause of theocracy at the expense of representative government.

I realize that, for many, these questions are (and must remain) closed to discussion. However I, for one, would like to see them opened.

slavery = Nazism = abortion mindset.

It is reduced to economic expediency at the cost of human life. The abortion racket preys on the African American and other minority communities. They cover up crime (statutory rape), and many of those who post on this Board praise them for all of this. Where are all the people who scream about the Church and why are they not screaming about the abortion industry cover up? The aborted child has no choice as it is being ripped out of the womb. Keep on pretending that this isn't murder and soon some one (whether now or in your old age) will want to deem you not "economically viable". That is the road this country is now on with this abortionist President.

S, so you don't believe that there are many, many more types of STD's and that a much higher percentage of people have them. I respectfully diagree. Increased STD's and divorce did increase dramatically since birth control became accepted in our culture. Ther are other factors with divorce as well such as people not taking their vows seriously but many people have had affairs beucase they felt becuase of birth control there was less threat of pregnancy and/or STD's. I mentioned this to a woman I work with and she her exact words were, "I probably wouldn't have cheated on my husband if there wasn't birth control. I by no mean believe people should stay in abusive relationships but we live in a culture where the term "for better or worse" doesn't mean much, The key is people understanding love is a decision not an emotion. To many children come from broken homes because parents are putting themselves ahead of their children and spouses. I would also disagree with your your view on the unborn. At the time most abortions are done the fetus as you call it looks exactly like a person and is no doubt human. Eye color, gender, hair color and many other traits are detrmined at conception. if your so sure of your stand on abortion please view silentscream.org. God Bless.

I am more concerned about O"Malley's support for the criminal Bush Administration's policies and for this sorry spectacle of a pope

jake - you will be prayed for in great earnest at Mass this week.

The only arguably new STD that I can this of, and I know a lot about this field, is HIV, which has been around since perhaps as early as the 1950s. STDs used to be called venereal diseases and have been around since the dawn of time, but now people get tested and treated instead of suffering and/or dying from them. We know a lot more than we used to, which makes it seem like there is a lot more out there to hurt us.

I fully believe that if people are unhappy in their relationships, then they shouldn't be in them. Being happy makes you a better person and a better parent. I also don't like the phrase broken homes. You are making a value judgment on other people's lives and I find that offensive. I know plenty of people that were happy for their parents when they got divorced because it was the right thing for them. I wouldn't call their homes broken, just different then yours.

The genetic traits of which you speak are determined when the egg and the sperm are formed, long before they ever interact. Do I think abortions should be rare, absolutely. No one should have to make that choice, particularly to be judged by people like you. The way to make abortions rare is through good sex education and free access to birth control. The better we as scientists can make birth control, the fewer abortions there will be. The better we educate all people on how to use birth control, the healthy our people will be.

Oh, and anyone that says they only cheated because birth control was available was probably trying to get your goat, as honestly, this has to be the most bizarre online conversation I've had in some time. It reminds me of my youth and sex ed, being taught by priests, in Catholic school.

S, (and all the rest of you). Go and read Humanae Vitae from Pope Paul IV and come back here and report what you find. He predicted ALL of the woes and degradation of human dignity we find today (abortion, divorce, abuse, illicity sexual bevavior) and attributed them to the availabilty of birth control. Since birth control, every social ill of off the scale, and the liars who promote it claim and continue to claim it would reduce all of this.

Your premise about birth control is false. Its availability has skyrocked abortion rates, infidelity, and all other social-sexually related ills. Why? because it promoted animalistic behavior in men and women and has victimized, not liberated women, and continues to do so today. (Look at divorce, abortion and abuse rates since it has become widespread - just as PPIV predicted.)

KJR
Why don't you go to church and pray for Rev John Hanlon ? He is a serial rapist doing life without parole at Norfolk State Prison who is still a priest and collecting full benefits.
BTW, that slimeball Bishop John "I did not know child rape was a crime" McCormack did his best to mislead prosecutors in the case.
There needs to be a clergy wing in Walpole in Norfolk or Walpole for all the perverts/criminals of the Archdiocese

Thanks for the heads up. I will put him on the list too. In the meantime, jake, try to seek some help for your hatred of the Church.

KJR
I do not hate the church. I just hate pedophiles and their enablers.
I am an ER RN in the real world. If I did not report to law enforcement authorities the FIRST incident of child sexual abuse that came to me, I would be in jail, not sent to a cushy post in Rome

DMagisTyreum,

G K Chesterton had a good description of your type: "Some people cannot stand that there is a yes in some things and a no in others and so they take the middle position always. I wonder if they pronounce it 'yo'!

The last word belongs to God Almighty!!!!!!

jake - all of your comments were directed at the institutional Church, her teachings, and authority, as opposed to the individual criminals. No one on this Board sanctions abuse or any cover up. It is all despicable. But your comments are directed far beyond the individual comments, and on this thread and others you routinely condemn teaching authority itself, rather than the loathesome actions of a very small minority of Priests, who should be in jail. There is a major difference.

First off, Abortion is not a religious issue...it's a moral issue. Every human life has value and purpose. Check the scientific data that is being suppressed...life does begin at conception. If it's not a life...what is it? The most dangerous place for a person to be today is in its mother's womb. Incidentally, stop saying "I have a right to do what I want with my own body". Well...maybe so..but you don't have a right to destroy another human being within your body..it's not your body..it's the baby's body with its own blood supply, it's own DNA and a beating heart before you are even certain you are pregnant. I'm not condoning the abuses of the Catholic Church...this has nothing to do with them or any other religious organization..it has to do with killing an innocent life. What's wrong with adoption...does your pride keep you from "giving this baby up"? Better to just kill it then you won't have to be responsible for it..at least in this life. What kind of answer will you give that baby when one day you stand before Holy God and give an account. Oh, I know...you don't believe in God or the afterlife...but that doesn't make it so just because of what you believe. When you look at a perfectly formed baby..how can you deny there is no God. Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born, I set you apart."

The Democrat plan to reduce purported hatred of America abroad: Ensure that there are fewer of them to hate us!

And just what, pray tell, is the connection between the killing of the unborn and any homosexual abuse of children? Stay focused on the objective here, please.

Well, Kay, one major connection is that BOTH are intrinsically evil and terrbile acts, but many of the posters on this board look the other way with regard to the "killing of the unborn". That seems kind of strange, because abortion is the ultimate child abuse.

pedophilia is not homosexuality. these priests,because of church policy had access mainly or exclusively to boys.

irikanji - so it was heterosexual priest involved with homosexual acts? The point is that there is a homosexual link ie, the attraction to boys by MEN. If they were heterosexual, do you think the incidence would have been as it was? Your point is well taken, but to infer that homosexuality was not a factor is at best naive.

There is not much I can do if other people perform abortions except pray and vote my conscience and offer my prolife opinion on the issues.

however, forcing people who don't agree to participate crosses an unacceptable moral line.

Surely president Obama does not realize how strongly tens of millions of pro life Christians feel about this issue nor does he comprehend the wrath he will be calling down upon himself and the country should he push this issue over turning the conscience order that president Bush signed.

Dependent on how far Mr. Obama pushes this issue, he may well the second present in our history to see a civil war start during his administration.
George