Pope to meet with Pelosi at Vatican

she is a disgrace. the Pope should not meet with her.

I could sympathize more about abortion if they didn't also insist
that contraception is wrong. Doesn't banning contraception and hindering
access to contraception result in more poverty and abortions. Go figure!
Is it me or is the catholic church becoming marginalized?

Blame the Jesuits. They taught to think on my own!!

Michael,
I'm afraid I must take exception to your use of the word "conspicuously" regarding the Speaker's reception of communion. Particularly since Vatican II, the reception of communion by Catholics every time they go to Mass is actively encouraged and is the norm - this is particularly true when the Pope is presiding. Though many in the blogosphere may have hoped Pelosi would be denied communion, the reception was not in and of itself conspicuous, suspect or unusual for a practicing Catholic.

Pelosi is the poster child for how unethical and disgusting our politicians are today; the Pope represents a religious 'business' that serves up hypocrisy on a daily basis; preaching about morality while defending and protecting its own child molesters. i cannot see any relevance in these 2 getting together other than maybe laughing at their similarities.

The Pope is a disgrace. Pelosi should not meet with him.

Yes, The Pope should meet with Speaker Pelosi. For two reasons: first, As the head of the Vatican State, he should meet with visiting representatives of other States; and second, as the leader of the Catholic Church, he should meet with her in a teaching manner, just as Jesus did. Jesus was criticized for meeting with sinners, but as He said, He say was there to heal the sick (sinners). I believe it would be a perfect opportunity to discuss Church teachings and issues. Whether or not she would accept what the pope has to say, is a different story. Regarding abortion, the Church does not teach "opinion", but Divine Law, which is unchangeable. I just wish she would realize that and accept the Church teaching and stop supporting the killing of the innocent of most innocents. Regarding excommunication, I do not believe the Pope should formally excommunicate her since under Canon law, she has already received a latae sententiae excommunication through her support of abortion.

I cannot understand why someone would say that the Pope is a "disgrace". He lives a humble life dedicated to God. To say that the Pelosi should not meet with him is saying that Pelosi is "better" than the Pope. I am interested to hear what makes the Pope so much more disgracefull than Speaker Pelosi, who supports the killing of unborn human beings.

Post #2 states "I could sympathize more about abortion if they didn't also insist
that contraception is wrong." Is that to say that abortion is only wrong if the Church says contraception is OK? That makes no sense at all. Jesus said that what we do to the least, we do to Him. Would you be saying that Jesus was wrong? Are you saying that ending the life of the innocent of most innocents is OK? It was Jesus that established the Papacy, and it was God the Father on Mount Tabor that said, "This is my chosen Son, listen to Him." Are you saying we should not listen to Jesus? Jesus told Peter that what he (Peter, meaning the Papacy) binds on earth will be bound in heaven. Are we to ignore this? Are we to ignore the power of Jesus. In other words, to say that Church is wrong in this is to say Jesus - God - is wrong.

They should meet. The pope is head of the Vatican State, and Pelosi is 3rd in line to the presidency. Also, the pope is the head of the Catholic Church - the Vicar of Christ on earth - and she is a prominent Catholic. There is probably a lot for them to talk about, but part of the discussion should be about Pelosi's consistent support for the killing of unborn children, euphemistically known as abortion.

You know, Pelosi and the other phoney "Catholic" politicians are the legacy of the originator of the this line of dissenters: John F. Kennedy. JFK, sold his soul to the devil, with the complicity of some of the clergy in the Church, in order to get the votes he needed. He gave all of them cover. All these other phonies: Pelosi, Kerry, TKennedy, Leahy, Dodd, Harkin, Cuomo, will have to stand before Jesus someday and splain themselves. They have been put on notice, and the Church's teaching is clear about abortion. They have enables millions of babies to be murdered since Roe - their blood is on their hands as well as the other "catholics" who try to justify their position by all these other red-herring arguments about war and immigration and other important, but not relevent arguments to abortion. 50% of "Catholics" voted for the most pro-death president of all time, and will have a lot of explaining to do.

So here we are again with an inane argument that Catholic ethical concerns equal abortion and only abortion. What of war, starvation, the hundreds of thousands of Iraq refugees, the death penalty and dozens of other issues that make Republicans look bad and Democrats looks good?

Clearly the author of this blog does not understood the Catholic faith or is a devoted Republican. Why else would these issues be framed this way again and again?

As to fools like the Anchoress, please, you could find tens of thousands of people worth quoting prior to that hateful fool.

The Pope should meet with a high dignitary of the US Congress (Pelosi). It would be counterproductive to score her on her pro-choice views in particular.
The issue of the Church's teaching on abortion can be addressed through punitive actions by the Holy See through the American Catholic Bishops. At the front of that list should be clergy and theologians who have misled American Catholics through the propagation of the 'conscience' excuse for abortion. A conscience that justifies abortion is malformed. Robert Drinan had a malformed conscience in the area of abortion. If we are advocating excommunication let's start with the 1000 not so Catholic men who have led us to this point before we get to Nancy Pelosi.

Maybe they will find a full set of functioning balls between the two of them and between the two of them come to realize how to use their elected positions for what they were each honestly created for...championing the individual over the collective.

You gotta wear the funny hat, don't let the funny hat wear you!

Nancy Pelosi thinks she knows more about Catholicism than Pope Benedict. I pray he sets her straight and tells her she is wrong with her views on killing the unborn (and probably a lot of others as well). He is the leader of the church and should demonstrate that in meeting with Pelosi. Guess she thinks she is above the Pope since she works so closely now with the "Messiah". Irks me that my hard earned tax money is paying her's and others' ways on a trip to Italy. And they bellyache because the CEOs of the car makers used a private plane to go the hearing in D.C. What double standards!!

1. it is disingenuous for the conservative faction to refer to Obama as the "Messiah," "Saviour," or any related term. You criticize the liberal set for espousing him as a Messiah, yet you are the only ones presenting him that way... Grow up.
2. An important distinction that keeps getting overlooked. The US has a secular form of government. Science is at odds with the teachings of the RCC on abortion, in terms of defining life. So do a number of other belief systems. It can be legitimately argued that even at conception we have only the potential for life. Does a miscarriage make a woman guilty of murder, or perhaps more accurately, manslaughter, since there was not the intent to take a life or spontaneously abort the fetus? The established law in this country supports the right of a woman to privacy and to control her body and what happens to it. The fact that the Vatican determines that a god not everyone believes exists claims that an action is immoral (whether abortion, contraception, homosexuality or a litany of others) does not necessarily mean that such a belief system is appropriate to be the law of the land in this country.
3. I find it delightfully ironic seeing how this whole debate is going. Think of this... there was a huge amount of concern in the country when JFK was running for election, and he had to come out and state that he would be President of the United States, not a puppet of the Vatican.
Now, the same people who were opposed to the RC Kennedy because he would be a puppet of the Pope are arguing that Pelosi and the US Government leadership should overturn almost half a century of legal precedent because the Pope says so.
It is amazing how positions change with the political winds...
Hypocrites, all.

She has no refuge in the old song "Personally I am against abortion, but I have to represent my constituents." Kennedy and Kerry adn a host of others have beaten this to death. In 1796 Sir Edmund Burke had the final say on such matters. He said, "A representative owes the the people not only his industry, but his judgment and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion."
Wise words just as applica ble today as then.

the pope might as well be meeting with satan, because that is what she is

Charles - when you refuse to accept LIFE as the 1st and most important cause of all of humanity, and minimize the horror of abortion as just "another" important issue, it is YOU who look bad (and relativistic). 60,000,000 murders since Roe, what are you not screaming about this Charles? The rest pales in comparison (though certainly important).

If I were a less law abiding man, I'd want to throttle the both of them for their sustained abuses and squandering the phenomenal power bestowed upon them by right of their elected positions, by both the public and the faithful. But good men dream what bad men do and I can only hope they change their ways.

Powerful positions endowed with privilege and rank and the combined might to sway the minds of many, far too many. For what purposes? Has Speaker Pelosi been a model of virtue recently or is she seeking an industrial strength absolution? And look what they do with their time...I can only pray they they will seek a higher power for redemption...and knuckle down and get real work done on birth rights and rates.

As an answer to the topic at hand: Sure, why not?

But as an aside, can I say how pleasantly surprised how I am at the warning about hate speech and the relatively polite responses so far in general? The comments on most of the Boston.com/Globe stories and blogs are usually pretty nuts but the ones here were so hate-charged, especially on Catholic stories, that it led me to stop reading this blog. It was one of the several reasons I cancelled my Globe subscription. I clicked here today because I wanted to see the story, in spite of fears of what I'd find in the comment section, and am relieved. Please keep up the good work.

What if she asked him to hear her confession?

The only reason why everyone is getting so worked up is because Pelosi is a female in power who happens to disagree with the male-dominated Church. If this were John Kerry (also a pro-choice Catholic) visiting the Pope, this would not be getting as much attention.

Calling Pelosi "Satan" (post 17) is not hate speech? The Globe has bizarre standards.

As to KJR's shrill response to my post, where did I say abortion was not wrong? What I did say was that abortion was not the only ethical issue confronting Catholics, yet this blogger--and Republicans and the Catholic leadership--only harp on abortion to the exclusion of dozens of hundreds of other issues where Democrats are clearly in the right and Republicans are clearly in the wrong. I am tired of this frame.

Finally, the Pope is not my spiritual leader, and Pelosi is one of my political leaders. She is far more beholden to me than she is to the Pope. We are a nation of secular laws, not of your religion--or mine.

Bill Heart When birth control became accepted practice many years ago one of the many prophesies by the Pope at the time was it would lead to increased abortion. He was correct. Birth control is a major reason sex became a lesuire activity and not what it was intended for married couples. No birth control is 100% so the number of unwanted pregnancies increased dramatically.

Chase, I respectfully disagree. It is still part of the teaching of the Church that no one should receive the Eucharist when they are in a state of mortal sin. Proclaiming yourself pro choice goes directly against the Church and therefore you should not receive until you have received forgiveness in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. In addition every time a Catholic says Amen when the receive Jesus in the Eucharist is stating in front of God and the enitire congregation that He or She accepts all the teachings of the Church.

Charles Giacometti,

The teaching of the Catholic Church is war is sometimes justified but that abortion is always wrong. As far as the war in Iraq Pope Benedict 16 has stated he is against the war. As far as the death penalty the Churhc teaches that the ONLY time it is appropriate is if you can not keep the killer from killing again. The death penalty has not been supported by the Catholic Church in any situation in your life time. As far as starvation the Catholic Church provides more talent and treasure to the poor, sick, starving, etc. then any other organization in the world. Finally the Catholic Church does not support a political party. Most Church going practicing Catholics vote for the person whom does not support what the Church teaches is intrinsically evil. It is not the author of the blog who doesn't understand. I will paraphrase one of my favoriet quotes. "There aren't 100 people whom hate the Catholic Church but there are thousands whom hate what they perceive the Church to be".

JR, the Pope following practice Catholics in my comminity are equally upset at Kerry.

When will the "practicing" Catholics in the United States realize the Constitution provides for seperation of church and state? The Found Fathers put that in there for a reason-it appears to me that the "Moral Majority" of the Catholic Church are getting more like GW Bush's buddies like the late Jerry Falwell or those other evangelical fanatics who populate the airwaves.
My judgement will be by God, not those who claim to be the judge/jury/trail here on earth- get out of my face.

I cannot understand why someone would say that Pelosi is a "disgrace". She lives a humble life dedicated to the people of the US. To say that the Pope should not meet with her is saying that the Pope is "better" than the Speaker of the House of Representatives. I am interested to hear what makes Pelosi so much more disgraceful than the Pope, who has demonized gay people and their children, and has recently reinstated a Holocaust denier.

I think these conservative Catholics [do they ALL belong to the Flat Earth Society?] should stop focusing on women's health issues. Women have a right to choose what they feel is right for them instead of trying to adhere to a bunch of nonsense from a bunch of old MEN in the Vatican.

Isn't it about time that the Vatican cleans up its own act regarding pedophile priests and all of the harm they've done instead of worrying about what goes on in peoples' bedrooms? This is NOT the 12th Century.

Way to go Nancy. Just put another mil on us the tax payers. Is your business with the Pop and junket to Italy so critical to get our country out of the troubles that you and your buddies Frank, Dodd, Clinton and others got us into and pushing us fruther down?

You make me sick. Can't wait for the day when real Americans will kick your liberal socialist ass out of the house.

"50% of "Catholics" voted for the most pro-death president of all time, and will have a lot of explaining to do."

Posted by KJR February 16, 09 08:18 PM

More than that in 2004, in fact. Specifically those who voted for Bush, the true butcher of Baghdad, the true Torturer In Chief. And you were one of those who voted for him, weren't you, KJR?

Posted by proud2bcatholic February 17, 09 11:12 AM

And Jesus said exactly what about birth control? There's plenty that was said about aiding the poor (something to which conservatives are perpetually opposed).

So Pelosi is "Satan" because she supports legal abortion (banning abortion never made it go away, just made it less safe)? And the Pope, who reinstated a Holocaust denier, and the Catholic hierarchy who tolerated YEARS of sexual abuse of children by priests is the GOOD side?

Where do any of us get the right to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body? As for the "increase" in abortions, some of that may be due to more birth control methods failing, or to a more casual attitude towards sex. But some of that is likely because the CDC doesn't ask why a D&C is performed, so a D&C performed after a miscarriage is considered the same to them as an abortion on demand in a clinic. Would you tell a woman who's just miscarried she can't have a D&C, but has to risk future pregnancies by waiting for nature to take its course? Or could you tell a woman who has been brutally raped she has to carry a pregnancy to term because abortion is always wrong? Let's prevent unwanted pregnancy, teach consequences to kids, not just ban a procedure that may be needed in certain cases.

Yes the should meet. Far more can be accomplished when people of different opinions talk, than if they agree on everything.

I disagree strongly with denying Communion to someone who, in good conscience, believes in abortion rights. The Church used to place great emphasis on conscience and free will, and was not as quick to punish those who exercise those God-given powers of the human heart, mind and soul to come to their own conclusions. Perhaps one reason is the example set by Jesus, who welcomed sinners and saints into his circle of followers.

Right or wrong, murder or not, abortion is a terrible thing. Even pro choice advocates realize this should be a last resort in the event of an unwanted pregnancy. Ultimately, the goal should be to reduce abortions to zero, and starting a dialogue between opposing sides is the first step.

Ahh- religion. The mindless masses at their best.

onthleft - where have you been? I hope you have been outside abortion clinics protesting so that you may change the mind of even one of the 1.4 million abortions this year. Still changing the subject because you can't handle the truth I see... 1.4 MILLION this year, and your response is: I hate Bush.

On the Left,

I believe God has sent a pretty good hint of how he feels about birth control. Since birth control became common place in the USA, abortions have increased, infidelity and divorce have increased, STD's have increased and children being raised without Fathers has increased. All dramatically.

In addition I can't speak for conservatives but I do know those whom attend Church regularly tend to be more generous with charity and that the Catholic Church provide more money and service hours then any other organization in the world to help the poor.

I'm curious though. Please provide me with some details of how liberals are more supportive of the poor of the world over conservatives.

Peace and Blessings

Post 35. What exactly are you saying? That those whom follow God and/or are religious are not intelligent.

KJR...You voted for a mass murderer. Or do you think that hundreds of thousands of deaths in a war of aggression against a people who had done nothing to us and represented no threat is less than murder? There is no universal agreement as to the point at which infusion occurs, and science points to the end of the second trimester, not conception. Thus, first trimester abortion is not murder. Killing civilians is. And you continue to support the killers of civilians. You call this "changing the subject" because you consider your man Bush's slaughter in the middle east acceptable. The dead were infused human beings, KJR. Is it OK with you because it was "Christians" doing the killing?

Posted by proud2bcatholic February 17, 09 03:19 PM

You think God's male? Interesting. But I'd say pretty limiting. Do you have numbers, by the way, on infidelity, divorce, etc? Numbers on charity by churchgoing status? Can you show causality in any of this? There are numbers on divorce rates, by the way - much higher in Bible Belt states, and lowest right here in liberal Massachusetts. Since you're touting numbers. As for liberals, let's see - labor rights, laws against the exploitation of children in the labor market, Social Security and Medicare for the elderly, universal public education, equal rights, environmental safeguards, etc. And every one of those despite opposition from conservatives. Of course, conservatives in the US have given us one collapsed economy after another, the slaughter in and destruction of Iraq, attacks on the poor and the middle class, the drowning of New Orleans, torture, rendition, etc. So, proud2, explain to me how conservatives have done anything for the poor or the downtrodden of this world.

ontheleft - as someone once said here... "as a former embryo, I take exception to the fact that the characterization of my life is marginalized"... or something to that effect. onthleft is now the authority, according to him, about when life begins. (Hint - when the sperm fertilizes the egg, life has begun.). This discussion is on the RELIGION Board ontheleft, and since the Catholic Church and God ("before you were in the womb, I knew you") has recognized the human soul at conception, don't you feel a little awkward and nutty arguing against a tenet of faith and Church Doctine (ON THIS BOARD)? Left, by supporting democrats and liberals YOU, my friend are complicit in the killing of millions of unborn children - why the hate ontheleft, why the hate? Why do you hate babies? No matter how much you want to change the subject, on the subject of abortion, you are a co-conspirator in the killing of millions of unborn children.

On the left, let me ask you something. A fossilized 4 week old fetus is found on Mars. What is the headline on every paper in the country? "Life on Mars" correct? If it is life on Mars it is life on Earth. However you want to justify killing your own child is fine, it's the law. Most of the people having abortions shouldn't reproduce anyways, but it is murder

On the Left

Your funny. Obviously God the Father is pure spirit and has no gender. I know in this politically correct world I should have stated that clearly but now you know. I'm not sure your age but anyone that has been around since say the 60's knows the number of people divorcing, number of children beinr raised without fathers, and the number of and number of people effected with STD's is much greater today.

Again I don't follow a set conservative or liberal agenda but I know the Catholic Church does more than any other organization in terms of treasure and talent and I personally spend the majority of my free time serving youth. If all Catholics practiced their faith and provided treasure and talent there would be no need for the government to make people serve there fellow man.

I love you. May God Bless you and yours.

I think someone in the Vatican has finally gotten to Benedict, the same way Cardinal O'Malley convinced him to meet with priest abuse victims. Meeting Pelosi is part of the new bridge building campaign. This includes going to Israel after reinstating the holocaust denier bishop. the pope should have learned from his great patron, John Paul 2, the importance of reaching out and reconciliation. This is a good sign, and this shy and scholarly man deserves a pat on the back.

amialone - great point. You find a single cell or even carbon on some other planet and its headlines. The "its not life" is the biggest and most consequential lie in the history of mankind. If it's not life, why does it have to be aborted?? (answer: Because it is UNWANTED life).

KJR...So YOU'RE the arbiter of the point at which life begins? The Catholic Church and God are hardly synonymous. Perhaps to you, but to most of humanity, not at all. There are 1 billion RCs out of 6+ billion people. Are you going to maintain that it is only those with YOUR views who should post here, that it is only those with YOUR values who dare have something to say? Getting a bit into self-worship, KJR? It is you who preaches hate, every time you attack gays, every time you support the killers and torturers in the GOP. Frankly, I love kids. I think we're all responsible for giving them a better world than the world we got. You support a political philosophy that has made this a far lesser world and will saddle them with problems that they certainly do not deserve. And, KJR, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, the POTENTIAL for life has begun. As for the former embryo you quote, his/her quote is just a bit bizarre. Actually it's completely ridiculous. And you, KJR, are a co-conspirator in murder and torture. So keep voting for Republicans because they would like to force everyone to worship you in the guise of worshipping your idea of God. And I'll keep posting to this or any other board to which I choose. Whether or not you deign to approve.

Posted by amialone February 17, 09 04:17 PM

The headline might also read "Fossilized Fetus Found On Mars" - probably would depend on the outlet. Of course, if a single-celled organism were found the headline might also read "Life On Mars". If you' can prove that infusion happens at conception, then you can claim that abortion is murder. Quoting the Vatican, however, does not constitute proof.

Posted by proud2bcatholic February 17, 09 04:49 PM

In fact, government always needs to serve humanity - it is the true role of government. The conservative mantra that "government is the problem" is and has been principally true of conservative government.

He should meet with her, and his shepherdly duty will be to counsel her to repent and come back into the fold. What a story - Nancy Pelosi experiences incredible conversion and spearhead's a pro-life agenda. If this happens, she better get great security because the culture of death/hate will be out to get her.

Maybe Speaker Pelosi should speak with the Pope regarding all the priest diddlers who need to be jailed. How about she ask for Cardinal Law to be returned for proper prosecution.

Please people, get over yourselves. The Pope is a head of state and must meet with other dignitaries. He is the leader of a city state and supposed leader of a cult whose workers fondle young boys and whose upper-heirarchy is completely out of touch with reality. But, he is a head of state and Speaker Pelosi must make time to meet with him.

ontheleft - I love having you around, are you kidding, your posts are the best arguments for the pro-life position on this Board. The point is that you are opining on Catholic doctrine, which is what most people are talking about here. Your posts look nutty when you try to lecture the Vatican on life issues - in the context of Church teaching and the phoney Catholic Speaker of the House - who lectured the Vatican on doctrine a few months ago. But by all means, keep doing it - keep posting! It is not my position (other than life is logical, death of unborn children is not under an semblance of the dignity of the human being), but the Church's and thousands of victims of the lies of the pro-death culture (like Norma McCorvey - "Roe") who recognized the evil of it. But yet, you keep attacking me (and Bush) rather than address the issue. What do you have against unborn babies so that you won't do all in your power so they can breathe the breath of life, ontheleft? You constantly argue about a mothers right to kill her baby. Why do you hate babies ontheleft? Were you pro-life before Bush was elected? Did Bush cause you to be pro-abortion? (I didn't think so).

I don't think its an exaggeration to say all Catholics are heart-broken and angry still over the priests who betrayed the faith, and Cardinal Law, who hid them. It is certainly a good thing that they all be brought to justice. But these sinful people are a fraction of the church, which is filled with many wonderful and loving people. It saddens me that any article to do with the church brings out all this hate, which does nothing to help the poor victims of priest abuse. I don't think the haters realize how ignorant and bigoted they sound. Criticize it if you wish, but be smart about it. Calling it a cult is just name-calling. The catholic church is the oldest christian church, tracing its roots back to Christ 2000 years ago. Its burocracy was once a political organization as powerful as any kingdom of europe. Its art, music, philosophers and literature formed the basis of western culture. Calling it a cult unmasks your weak argument and bald prejudice.

hey KJR ... the last time I saw people, not potential people, killed over this issue... it was pro lifers attacking doctors...
remember, the RCC does not represent everyone. It does, you. Fine... I am proud to have escaped the RCC and it's band of child molesting hypocrites.
How can the conservatives go from being afraid Kennedy would answer to the Vatican to now hoping current leaders will do the bidding of the Vatican?
The pronouncements of the Vatican are not suitable fodder for lawmaking for a secular government.

sj... I may be one of the haters of the RCC because of the child molesting priests, the hierarchy which covered/covers it up and protects it's own, like Cardinal Abovethelaw. It is a cult, brainwashing it's children from a young age to believe something which makes no sense from a logical standpoint and cannot be proven.
However, I am also one of the victims, one of those children the RCC allowed to be molested to protect it's reputation and ability to make money.
Look at it from the outside, the only thing separating it from a cult is its size. I will stop hating it when it whithers away, when the sheep who follow the shepherd learn to walk on their own, to think freely and dream of a better tomorrow.

He should meet with her, give her communion and treat her like any other faithful Catholic. She is pro-life in her own life, and that is all she can do. It is not her job to force Catholic rules on her non-Catholic constituents. The US is not a theocracy.

What a difference a day makes. I take back what I said about polite, non-hate-filled comments, it was clearly too early in the day to come to that conclusion.
It's a shame that the Globe is driving away its loyal readership by allowing the lunatics run the asylum.

reality - if she was promoting the decrimialization of child molestation would you say the same thing? Abortion, like child molestation, is objectively and intrinsically EVIL.

No kai, you are looking in the wrong place. 1.4 million women will be killing over the issue in the US alone this year.

KJR-
Sometimes child molestation leads to unwated pregnancies. Would you have these young rape victims bear their aggressor's children? How could you look a 15 year old girl who has been systematically raped and tortured by her father, and tell her that she MUST endure her unwanted incestuous pregnancy?
I would give that young girl the right to choose, not banish her to the back alleys.

So Noel, I would protect that child as well, but I will tell you what: I will support that right if you would support banning abortion in the 99.5% of all other cases. Do you agree?

I have a concern with all of this. Where is the transparency? What are the rules? Does the U.S. really have to money to do this stuff anymore? Are we just fooling ourselves individually and/or collectively that there is no problem for those who HAVE money? Seems like Ms. Pelosi has some 'spainin' to do to the President when she gets back.