US bishops slam Holocaust denial

It is time to have an open and thorough investigation of the Holocaust and all other Crimes of World War II instead of putting people in Prison who do not agree with the officially mandated truths about World War II.

I have criticized Cardinal George here in Chicago often but I am deeply grateful for his statement strongly opposing those who deny the Holocaust. Thank you, Cardinal George. This is what we need more of.

Yes, something to make us proud from the American bishops. Many Catholic
priests, bishops and lay members have been sharing breakfast with Protestant ministers and lay leader as well as Jewish rabbis and lay leaders for decades at Denny's etc. We know from positive human experience that the Jews are our brothers and sisters.
Hold the four returning bishops to Vatican II and to the spirit of respect and
love as told by Jesus. Jim Cuddy

The heartlessness and cruelty of the Roman Catholic Church knows no bounds. The Popes allowed thousands of catholic children to be sexually victimized by their perverted clergy, and yet did nothing to stop it; the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops included. Now comes this horric news that Pope Ratzinger (A man who has had the words, "Heil Hitler" on his lips) unexcommunicates a bishop who says 6 Million Jews (1Million of them children) were not murdered in the NAZI Concentration Camps of World War II. Now, someone please tell me, WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF ARROGANCE COME FROM? It just shows how inhuman these men of the Catholic Church truly are. They are devoid of anything resembling humanity, or kindness, or pity.

We can only hope that the Pope will step down and no longer have sovereign immunity, so that the tens of thousands of American Catholics raped by priests can sue the daylights out of him for conducting the vast world-wide pedophile ring in his capacity as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He surely wouldn't want to face the hell fire of American civil and criminal law when it comes to those who would murder the souls of children. He's a lot better off where he is, squaring off with Angela Merkel.

Personally, I don't think this historical act is particularly significant as to whether it occurred or not, and to make either side of the argument a thought crime seems silly. Now, what the people of Israel are doing to the people of Palestine is something I can see quite clearly. The Israeli's have brutalised and impoverished the Palestinians. I would compare the relationship of the two as an abusive stepparent (Israel) to an abused child (Palestine). Expecting the two to come to a reconciliation on their own is foolish. They are both in need of rehabilitation, and separation. It is also foolish to continue to allow the Israeli's to have authority over the Palestinians.

This story is just so much window dressing, & PR spin deflection, from the hemmoraghing of overt ongoing felonious conduct by Francis George, Edward Egan, Theodore McCarrick, Roger Mahony, Sean O'Malley, Noberto Rivera, & the rest of the USCCB (Unremoved Sexual Criminal Cabal Bishops) as well as the Roman 'La Cosa Nostra" Curia (Bernard Law, Raymond Burke, William Leveda, Tarscio Bertone, Angelo Scola, Angelo Sodano, Giovanni Re, etc.) daily reported on in verified & vetted stories at www.bishop-accountability.org
/abusetracker. THE SOLUTION TO THE CURIA'S MOTTO OF = ISAIAH 28:15? "Stop Donating Laity!" as St. Peter Damien correctly asserted. It is a MORTAL SIN to be donating any monies to these old drag queens & pedophile aid, abettors, perpetrators & enablers. Fiat Lux & Veritas! Albino Luciani, MURDERED POPE, Not Smiling, From Heaven

"To what shall I compare the generation? It is like children who sit in marketplaces and call to one another. We played the flute for you but you did not dance, we sang a dirge but you did not mourn. For john came neither eating nor drinking and they said "he is possessed by a demon" the Son of Man came eating and drinking and they said "look he is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. but wisdom is vindicated by her works.
no matter what the Catholic Church does there will always be people against the church. . Make up your mind. do you treat all your friends this way. what a life.

The reponses on these boards and vile hatred is becoming a clown act. All these disenfranchised people who no doubt cannot stand Church teaching (and don't have the brains to differentiate between Church teaching and sinful members), continue to grasp for as file words as possible.

Here, the Bishops come out and condemn the statements of this Bishop, and that just turns on the hate valve. Victoria and Sarah - be careful, stay away from sharp objects.

O. When you get to your wit's end, you'll find God lives there.

God Himself does not propose to judge a man until he is dead. So why should you?
Some minds are like concrete thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Peace starts with a smile.

Well now, about a week too late, and only after putting a finger up in the air to check the wind. Without the uproar of reaction, I believe there would be no latter day press releases from the Vatican or anywhere else. Benedict and the bishops still find nothing wrong with some "personal mercy" for Williamson, even if he denies the Shoah. But that is only part of the story.

Every one of the bishops whose excommunications was lifted is part of a group that has on its website, now, today, the following anti-Semitic rant, reflecting the public position of SSPX: http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/mystery_of_the_jews.htm

From ”America,” the US Jesuit magazine’s associate editor James Martin SJ on their blog:

“It includes these comments, which read less like a contemporary theological reflection on the Jewish faith and more like passages Mein Kampf. For the record, the article was written in 1997:

"It is public knowledge that the Jewish sector, relatively small compared to the Gentile sector which devotes itself to the creation of wealth, controls especially the financial power that is exercised through banks."

"Then these Jews, in the name of their Law, their Torah, and to serve the material interests of their nation and race, demanded the blood of Him who had been promised them as their blessing. They stirred up the Gentiles against Jesus. Using them to carry out their plans, they crucified the One who was to be raised up as a "sign of contradiction".

"Judaism is inimical to all nations in general, and in a special manner to Christian nations."

"Catholics are not to enter into commercial, social, nor political relations which are bound hypocritically to seek the ruin of Christendom. Jews must not live together with Christians because this is what their own Jewish laws ordain and also because their errors and material superiority have virulent consequences among other peoples."

Bishop Williamson is one thing; an anti-Semitic tirade appearing on the group's official website is quite another. At this time, it is important to remember that in official Catholic teaching anti-Semitism is a sin, and, in the words of Pope John Paul II, an "evil."

Enough said. Why does Benedict lift excommunications of a group like that BEFORE the disavow such rubbish, and BEFORE they accept Vatican II? Tone deaf and more.

If George finds Williamson offensive, how about the whole SSPX itself that is born and bred in anti-Semitism.

KJR, if Cardinal George cared anything about children, he wouldn't have let his own priests in Chicago molest children while he pretended to monitor them, nor would he have housed an admitted child molester in his grand abode. Cardinal George has the distinction of being one of the most current protectors of criminal predator priests - look it up!

KJR, Crawl back in your cave and let the rest of us defend the dignity of children.

And the dignity of children would also include the dignity of unborn children, right Sarah? You support the right to life and the dignity of those children, correct?

It would be a very good thing if those reading about this issue and those posting comments here would do their homework and read all that has been issued and written from the Holy Father, and other principals in Rome together w/this statement by Cardinal George BEFORE they make any judgement of the situation at hand. The Catholic Church has done nothing wrong, has been most forthcoming about their rejection of the comments of the Bishop in question, who by the way was not singled out for un-excommunicate. The lift of the ban of excummincation was for the group of bishops not legally consecrated by Rome. As a GROUP they have expressed a desire to be reunited w/Rome - so the lifting of the ban was for the group. As Cardinal George has explained the Bishop in question will not have to submit to Rome and the Teachings of the Catholic Church including those of Vatican II. Too many people are jumping the gun on this and making accusations before this story is complete. Bishop Williamson will conform as all Catholic prelates and laity do.

The hate for God's church and Catholics is thick. There are more molesters in Puplic schools than priests and I don't think all Government teachers are molesters.... Brothers support the Pope. We are returning to our roots!!!! When I see and hear the left, I think of Is. 5-20...

NEWSFLASH from SSPX: Inquisition was a good thing
http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/defense_of_the_inquisition.htm

The schismatic group Benedict is vitally interested in bringing back into the church has a unique take on the Inquisition as well.

''the Inquisition was an honest tribunal, which sought to convert heretics more than to punish them, which condemned relatively few people to the flames, and which only employed torture in exceptional cases.''

''The Inquisition adopted an attitude toward heretics comparable to that of our Lord.''

''the Inquisition was a humanitarian work''

''the Inquisition was entrusted to the finest flowers of the clergy of the era.''

''those condemned to death were not always executed. Their sentences were sometimes commuted to time in prison, and they were then burned in effigy. Moreover, the condemned were not necessarily burned alive. If they showed a certain repentance, they were suffocated before being thrown on the pyre. Remember also that it was only the relapsed, that is to say those who fell back into heresy after having abjured it, who were condemned to death.''

''the fear of death often facilitated their conversion.''

''Catholics have nothing to be ashamed of in the past work of this holy tribunal.''

Thank you to BERTM on America Magazine’s blog http://americamagazine.org/blog/entry.cfm?blog_id=2&id=27F08DDE-1438-5036-4F8792220B462A90

WEll, Tom (Old Chap), let's empty the jails and prisons of all the murderers, thieves and perverts and have ANARCHY in the streets. Let's leave it all up to Divine intervention, when, "all shall be judged". It's that kind of thinking (YOUR KIND OF THINKING) that allowed an uncontrollable pervert priest (just one of thousands) who raped myself and over 200 other little girls. I've seen his file and, in some instances he spent no more than a few days (and a couple of times, just a few hours) at some out of the way Hideout, until the Church, "Lowerarchy" decided what to do with him. May it never happen to your family, Tom.

This is all about "Liberal Vatican II Catholicism" which held no core values and gave us homosexual priests, partial birth abortion, greed and anything goes and Traditional Catholicism which gave us overflowing churches and growing parishes and core values that are embodied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Pope did the right to invite back a group that only left the Church because they rightfully saw the cesspool of scum and villainy the church would fall into if it followed Vatican II. Bravo to the Pope. To hell to his critics.

All I'm seeing here is hatred and ignorance, probably coming from people who would condemn "hatred' and "ignorance."
These bishops were excommunicated for one thing: illicit ordination as bishops. Let's say a person is a thief *and* a con artist.. The authorities catch and convict the guy for theft, but not for fraud.. He serves his time for theft. Is it just, when he has served his time for theft, to keeep him in jail for fraud when he has not been convicted of that crime?
The lifting of excommunication is just one step. As Cardinal George arrogantly demands--and as the official letter on the subject stated--they must go through several steps, including theological discussions with Rome, to be "reinstated." They are still canonically suspended as bishops (and priests).

Whatever intellectual errors they may have fallen into are the *next* stage in the process.

To tie this into the sex scandal is ridiculous :one of the things the Society of St. Pius X is to be praised for is its rigorous screening of candidates for the priesthood.

But many of the posts in this forum show nothing but contempt for the Church and ignorance of the basic facts of the situation.
Long live Pope Benedict XVI

I am surprised at the rancor and hatred and ignorance of these posts: some are abusive to the point of being defamatory. Is it that Bostonians post as recklessly as they drive? Honestly, I would say shame on you--including shame on boston.com--if I thought any of you were capable of feeling shame.

Bill from Boston's comment (#19) is courageous and gets to the heart of the matter. Yes, it is about Vatican II, but it is also about the Holocaust issue which should have been addressed with serious debate and forensic studies when the first revisionists came along soon after the war (Rassinier and Faurisson). It has now infiltrated so profoundly into the very fabric of our culture that while we may blaspheme and insult Jesus without a word being said, any questioning comment on the Holocaust is countered with, in the best of all cases the knee-jerk 'anti-Semite' canard and in the worst, with a prison sentence!
Christians should take note of what Lanzmann, himself a Jew and the director of the movie Shoa said: “One can either believe in Christ or in the Holocaust”. If this is indeed the case, why do so many Christians believe the Holocaust (because, let's be honest with ourselves for once, we are dealing here with BELIEF, not knowledge - how many people have actually read the revisionists)? And further, just what does this either/or mean? Why should the one exclude the other? I have my own answer to this and it goes to the very heart of the Holocaust as alleged historical event.

I love the Catholic Church, which is the Bride of Christ. I love the Holy Father and find these attacks on him to be an outrage. He has done nothing wrong. He has clearly explained himself, yet many do not want to listen. Those who hate Christ and His Church use evey opportunity to attack the Church and thereby Christ. Even many liberals in the church who not of the church. My faith is built on Rock! Jesus I Trust in You! Mary, mother of the Church, Pray for us! St. Joseph, protector of the Church, pray for us. Ave Maria!

Victoria, I am sorry for your suffering as a little child at the hands of someone who was supposed to be trustworthy. I will be remembering you in my prayers that you may find a place of peace and forgiveness. St. Maria Goretti, pray for us.

Can I propose a tradeoff?
How about we have an agreement that the Vatican treat anyone who claims that Hitler didn't kill that many people the same way that the Jews treat any of their own who continue to promote what Rabbi David G. Dalin called "The Myth of Hitler's Pope" in the title of one of his books?

JC, are you certain you don't mean, "HEIL BENEDICT XVI"?

Dear Jane Martin, Thank You For Your Prayers.