Sources: Craigslist suspect kept victims' underwear as mementos

Countdown to "but the evidence may be planted" and "he's still innocent till proven guilty" comments.

Starting in... three... two... one. Go!

Talk about putting a nail in your own coffin ! Keeping mementos of your victims is classic psychopathic mass murderer behavior. Either there are other victims not uncovered yet or we can be thankful that his intelligence level is below that of the average mass murderer and he got himself caught after just 1 kill.

How much longer until the relatives stop saying he's innocent?

You noticed there was a "stepfahter". What happened to his biological father?
Also, mother working in a casino probably gave him exposure to developing his poker skills as outlined in his yearbook comment.

A pathetic bully who was living a double life. The fiancee may find that in retrospect much of what he told her as to where he was at mightnight, 10 p.m., etc. when crimes were committed just doesn't ad up. Thankfully, she didn't marry him. She is no doubt scarred for life, however, and he's hurt many people including his victims. May the dead woman rest in peace.

how do they know they are the victims' underwear? they could be the fiancee's!!!!

What have you innocent until proven guilty people saying now?

So Markoff saved his victims underwear, and he liked to hurt women. One of his friends from college said that he was a 'conservative', but Markoffs behavior doesn't sound like any of the other conservatives that I know. Librul globe, trying to sell the story. Next thing you know, they'll be saying that he was a real 'family values' guy, like Senator diaperman Vitter.

"A handgun in a hollowed-out Gray's Anatomy..." Sounds like a song. A really sad, twisted, dark song

Wow he's sicker than I thought. And really sloppy. I wonder if the fiance is finally seeing the light??

ahhh if it is so true that these pairs of underwear really belong to the victims and not his fiance, then 1) the officers wouldnt speak on anonymity, they would always cite their name for a fact 2) how did he get the underwear? are we saying he robbed them all of money AND demanded their panties?? otherwise, how did he get it?? and 3) hed really leave womens panties in the apt he shares with his fiance where she could easily find it??

come on!! print a REAL story with REAL evidence to support it!!!

And his fiance is still claiming that he's not the one who did it? Come on and face the facts...

The Boston PD and the other law enforcement agencies are to be commended for the excellent work they performed leading to the arrest of this dangerous suspect. It is a profound tragedy that a young woman lost her life.
When I was a Med Student at BU I didn't have a luxury apartment, or own a car, or have the time or
money to go to a casino for a weekend of gambling
with a fiancee. Better to have nabbed him now rather tan after getting an MD.

If he kept their underwear, clearly this was more than just robbery...he was a sexual predator as well. I feel horrible that his family, friends and fiancee have to go through this. They too are innocent victims of this narcissistic psychopath.

looks like wifey is going to need to reevaluate her stance on her husbands innocense. - and looks like i need to work closer with spell check haha

This story just gets weirder and weirder. How do they know who the underwear belonged to? It could belong to his fiancee, no?

but, he looks like such a nice boy..

He was living with his fiance and does she not have underwear? It could be from her unless the police DP has DNA tested from the victims.

@ ""He chose women, and he chose women who were living somewhat on life's margins, so that he could dominate them, abuse them," Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said. "He seems to have no problem physically hurting women and dominating them.""

Probably more accurate to say he chose *escorts on Craigslist* because that was the easiest way to get someone who was physically weaker than him alone in a room without anyoe of his (or likely their) social circle knowing that they even knew each other.

As for the RI issue.... why can't they ask the couple from Vegas to identify Markoff in a line up ? From what i read the husband of the prositite walked in as the robbery was happening.. I would imagine the 2 of them had a good look at the suspect/markoff..

Markoff, 23, WAS a Boston University medical school student...

Even if his fiance is still in denial, she must wonder where underwear, not hers, came from... that alone is enough to call off the engagement! This guy thought he was too slick. He deserves the chair.

Really??? So he robbed them of money, and then demanded they give him their underwear, and he proceded to bring the underwear home to the apt he shared with his fiance, where he could easily find it??? REALLY???!!!

And if this is sooooo true, then why are the cops speaking on anonymity? Is it because they are making it up? Probably...

"It was not known from which victims the garments were taken, the officials said" ----my favorite line of the whole article. if you dont know which victim they were taken from...then how do you know they were from a victim and not his fiance?! they basically admitted they found womens underwear in an apt in which a woman lives, and they dont know for sure who it belongs to...

Reinstate the death penalty. I'll pull the switch & not lose a wink of sleep over it!

I suspect some sort of mental breakdown/delusion given that this otherwise bright kid was so careless in covering his tracks and leaving evidence all over the place. He had time to premeditate, but he failed to consider some of the most basic details.

What was the fiance's involvement? You think she had NO idea about any of this?!

I hope they fry the sick idiot

Yikes.

I think the (perhaps soon-to-be-ex) fiancee lives in NJ... which would help explain why she would be unaware of the underwear and other things that were found around the apartment... that would also explain why she is so surprised at what he seems to have been doing with his time...

Reminds me of Neil Entwistle. Clean cut, seemingly all around good guy, but very disturbed under the surface.

They could have asked the fiancee if they were hers......??

I think I should examine the underwear myself to make sure they are not fake.

Up next: Ballistics tests on the gun found at Markoff's apt. If that is positively connected to the crimes it will 'seal the deal'.

What the heck is wrong with you people? Questions like"How do they know the underwear were from the victims?' Uhh Maybe the victim who was robbed but not killed told them that they were her's. Perhaps? I mean come on people are you all that naive? For the idiot who questions why a criminal would keep evidence around their home? Did you know that Jeffrey Dahmer kept victims skulls in his freezer? Why they do this I don't know but facts are some criminals keep souveniers. Finally to the quack who says he doesn't look like a killer/criminal... Neither did Ted Bundy! He was a LAW student for gosh sakes! Please people come back to reality. The evidence is mounting on this guy and I predict a verdict of guilty on all counts barring a plea deal.

Are you people serious? How do they know who the underwear belongs to??

Gee, I don't know. Maybe when the two women who survived reported the robbery they said "oh, and he took my underwear". Do you really think the police are just going to assume any underwear found in his house might belong to the victims without knowing what they're talking about?

Stop and think.

And the good people still can't accept that a cute smart boy could be a monster. What more do you need besides panties, IP tracking, gun, restraints and security camera photos from the hotels?

"It was not known from which victims the garments were taken, the officials said" ----my favorite line of the whole article. if you dont know which victim they were taken from...then how do you know they were from a victim and not his fiance?! they basically admitted they found womens underwear in an apt in which a woman lives, and they dont know for sure who it belongs to

It is not known TO THAT SOURCE which victim they belong to. That doesn't mean that the police who actually confiscated them don't know.

If the underwear was hidden with his other "supplies", I would say it is a good bet they belong to the victims. All they need to do is check the DNA and they can be certain. Very creepy. Another Chuck Stewart - in another couple of years he would have been offing his wife as well.

Kudos to # 25 Mike.

And will someone please tell Megan (Markoff's fiance),

1). Police do not make money by selling stories to the media.

2). My boss was on the committee that selects medical residents for the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston and said that if she doesn't retract her support for him, and he's convicted, she might as well quit medical school because no hospital will take her.

Those undies will be on ebay pretty soon.

Wow - speculation running amok. Let the police and the justice system do their jobs for cripes sake.

What makes people think the fiancee isn't aware of the source of their gambling money? Who exactly was he texting as he was leaving the scenes of the crimes?

I'm expecting an "accessory after the fact " filing against the girlfriend.

I think it's funny that people keep pointing out that the underwear might be his fiance's...true, but come on. Where can we place the blame for the handgun in a hollowed out book? He was holding it for a friend???? Lets be serious.

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I was thinking the same thing about the underwear. How do they know they were the victims underwear? How come this is the first time there is any mention that the victims underwear were taken? There has not been a word in the press about this fact. They can verify this by DNA I am sure. Why has there not been mention of a sketch from either of the surviving victims to compare him to? There was a total of 3 surviving people that supposedly laid eyes on him. The Westin victim and the couple in RI. How did the husband happen to show up in the RI case? Was he in on it with her and her services? Or did they make it up to get in the media's eye? I mean the guy got away. Odd.

Of course, I hope they have the right person and that this not a coverup of any sort. Do they have proof that his email sent email to the victims? Do they have phone records to the victims from Markoff? This would be "real" evidence. They are just saying that they have information and not really details... Yet you are giving us details such as underwear???

If he was a psychopath, why would he rob them? Serial killers usually kill and nothing else.

us "innocent until proven" people are saying the EXACT same thing, Innocent until proven guilty! Notice that does not mean "innocent forever", nor does it mean we think the police are corrupt yadda yadda yadda. You guys wanted the guy hanged the moment the story broke. That is not the way it works fella, nor should it be. Innocent until proven guilty means exactly that. How many more layers in your skull do we have to go thru until you understand? Ay carumba!

missy509 and myria - Guessing you are, or know his girlfriend- because you are the only two defending this guy when its beyond obvious to every other rational person he couldn't be any more guilty. In my opinion he isn't that smart, and I for one, am glad he wont be a doctor if this is proof of his I.Q.

Missy- so you are demanding a rational reason why this guy would bring other women's underwear home, when you are missing that fact that he contacted women on craigslist, met them at hotels and robbed them and KILLED someone. How rational is that?
Also- People speak to the press under anonymity because its an on going investigation and really shouldn't be saying much to begin with.

Do either of you guys live with someone? Do you search every square inch of your place everyday? Do you? No you don't, no one does, especially when you don't think you have a reason to. So the fact he collected his victim's underwear and brought it home isn't that surprising, just stupid. A lot of predetors collect or save things from their crimes. I dont think he " demanded" their underwear. I'm sure he just took what he wanted when they were tired up or dead.
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"Its not known from which victim the garments were taken." Why is that a problem? They can't expand too much on the evidence they found until its bought into court., but perhaps his girlfriend only wears one style of underwear or one maker. Or when asked if she owned a bustier or panites that are purple with pink poka dots she said no. Prehaps they found the tops in one hotel and the matching bottoms in his apartment. You don't know- but I'm sure it will all come out when he goes on trial for murder.

I'm sure you two think OJ was framed too.

missy509: Do you really believe the police would make this stuff up? Give me a break and give them a little more credit.

Wow. There is a whole lot of stupid in these comments. For the police are out to get everyone crowd:
1. Read between the lines: craigs list masseuse can easily be a stripper or a hooker which means dancing naked, etc. He didn't rob them and then demand they take their underwear off, it was probably already off and he used their vulnerable state to rob them.
2. You think the police didn't do some sort of testing on the underwear before making a statement saying that it was the victims? Police usually have some sort of evidence and don't go around making wild claims like the people here.

"how do they know they are the victims' underwear? they could be the fiancee's!!!!"

Yeh, they could be.

Could be Her gun also.
Maybe She owned the plastic ties.
Maybe it was Her Blackberry.

But.... he wouldn't even kill a fly though

missy509 doth protest too much

Maybe other victims have not come forward because they are dead.

Age of 23 seems young for 2nd year medical student. Did he finish HS and undergrad early?

"A hollowed out Grey's Anatomy"!
Wow!

missy509, why don't you go to his trials and wear your cheerleader outfit to keep defending this psychopath...you idiot.

missy509:

I assume we'll see you at the trial with your 'free markoff' sign? Trust me, you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.

missy509 are you engaged to this sociopathic brat?

wonder if he is somehow related to Clark Rockefeller...

Well, the fat lady has sung!

missy509 = the former future Mrs. Markoff?

For all you people who enjoy stating the obvious, YES, he lives with a woman who no doubt has underwear. And I'm sure she also bras, jeans, boots, shoes, a BUNCH of things belonging to "a woman" that they didn't bother to mention because it's not relevant. No doubt they found the underwear in question stashed in the back of his closet or in a hollowed out copy of 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' or in some other suspicious place. So, if they DO belong to his future wife, he's at least guilty of hording her underpants.

My bet is the underwear might have been found in a hollowed out book also, or otherwise, not some place his gf would put hers. I'm sure they can be DNA tested and maybe they already have been. If the victims reported their underwear stolen and a description of them (victims that survived) , that could point to the fact they were not his gf's. I doubt police pulled them out of gf's drawer and said 'ha, these belong to the victims'.

Short span of irrational behavior (with noted larger span of rational productivity/behavior). Extream hyper-sexuality & uncharacteristic money (gambling) risk taking. Could he be on the cusp of being dx'd as BP and this is his first full blown episode?

If that was the case (specualtion) it wouldn't suprize me if he's still in manic state; this could potentially explain this sudden rash of behavior. That doesn't dismiss the severity or any possible premeditated decision to possess a firearm.

Hey "Missy509", are you the fiance? Can't believe anyone else is that clueless at this point.

I think it's funny how some of you think there are "facts" by reading Boston.com

Interesting how the newspaper say he has momento's of his victims yet police are unsure which victims they belong to?

The only sick people are the ones commenting about frying/ incarcerating a guy they don't know with information they read on Boston.com.

When was last time Boston.com was wrong? Yesterday when the printed a story of a Marine with bomb making equipment and undisclosed handgun trying to sneak onto a plane...That undisclosed handgun ended up being a disclosed legal handgun. The bomb making equipment ended up being model rocket engines which people play with in middle school.

How about you wait until you hear the real facts.

Have him bunk with Entwistle. Those two deserve each other.

Leave it to the liberal media to blame a website for the actions of a deranged loser and a prostitute. Sad.

I hope there is no plea bargain to manslaughter. First degree murder is life in prison without the chance for parole. That is what he deserves.

To Jonny Wingnut - Way to label people. "Doesn't act like any of the conservatives I know." Gosh. The so-called "conservatives" I know don't all act as a unit... a thriving hive of cyborgs who all have the exact same opinions, think the same way and behave the same way. Neither do the so-called "liberals." The way you and others have of lumping people into categories and assuming each person in a particular category is exactly the same as the others in that category is a pox on the world. Your comment is ridiculous hyperbole. How could anyone take someone like you seriously?

Commenters above-- where did you get the idea he lived with his fiancee? That does not seem to be the case. Police would know there are mementos because serial attackers that keep mementos do it in patterned ways. He is not the first one to want to keep mementos of his victims. And the victims that lived will say he took their underwear. And they will be able to say later -- Yes, that was mine.

Obviously, he arrived at the hotels on the pretense of having sex (that is what erotic ads are about, duh, she was not really a "model") -- so he would pretend to be interested in that, remove the underwear, and then pull out his zip ties and rob them. Julissa fought back and was killed. I don't get how any of you are having a problem understanding this.

And let's face it, by now, his lovely wife-to-be has probably switched sides and is likely working with the cops, maybe even hoping to swap out a detective as her groom so she does not have to lose her wedding downpayments. Okay, I am just kidding... maybe.

Even if (being his fiancee) i made a statement in his defense at first, saying we got the wrong guy, there is NO way i would have spoken in his defense anymore at this point. After all this evidence is presented, with the gun hidden and other women's panties found in my apartment??? Are you kidding me? Why, oh why would i wanna lie now, or defend him? I would flee as fast as possible, and regret i ever sent that e-mail to ABC. I would also need a shrink to recover from this nightmare and this psycho i have been engaged to!
People, the fiancee KNOWS these are not her panties!

Police searching the Quincy apartment of Philip Markoff found underwear from two of the victims in the Craigslist attacks
Missy509, did you forget to read this part? How much clearer can they be.

I hope those of you who are convicting the guy at this point will have to do jury duty sometime, even if it's just so you can get a sniff of what our legal system and "due process" are all about. Of course, we all know that anything you see on TV or on the Web or read in a newspaper - well, it must be true, right? Perhaps we should just abolish our criminal court system - since many of you have all facts already, really, what purpose does it serve?

If he had a gun hidden in a hollowed out anatomy textbook, why are some people having such a difficult time believing he also had victims' undies in the apartment, probably also hidden?

As for the RI case, I wouldn't be surprised if they learn that the woman made up her story.

If you were accused of heinous crimes you did not commit would you look cool as a cucumber in court? He looks completely unfazed and, because of that, very guilty. Maybe some tears or signs of stress or exhaustion would be appropriate?

Y'all should go rent "American Psycho" with Christian Bale in it and then make your comments. It's always these types that are the most brutal and heinous of criminals.

Interesting that he and his fiancee are headed to Foxwoods when other BU med students have exams they are studying for? that would raise red flags if I were the fiancee....

This guy is a serious contender for one of the dumbest criminals ever. And his fiancee may be just as dumb to not have a clue about what this moron was up to.

Yes Missy 509 they are making it all up. Probably re-created the surveillance video as well. Oh wait and there have been no more assaults since he got arrested! The excuses people come up with never cease to amaze me. He should just pray he has you (and 11 more like you) on his jury.

op-ack has it exactly right: "It is not known TO THAT SOURCE which victim they belong to."
I.E.,The statement that the source didn't know which victim they belonged to doesn't mean that the police who actually confiscated them don't know or that an investigator doesn't. Someone in the department close to the investigation was probably anonymously quoted as learning that one ore more garments had been verified as belong to one or more victims... but he had no more details. Q: Why are a few people like Missy509 working so hard in the forum to suggest that all the evidence is bogus before knowing more details? It seems a reasonable assumption that the BPD are not fools.

Ok everyone keeps asking how the police know it's not his fiancee's underwear. Maybe DNA, but I don't think they can get those results this fast. Probably it's not his fiancee's size. Maybe his fiancee is way larger (or smaller) than his victim. So for all you armchair detectives out there trying to figure out where the pros got it wrong, maybe, just maybe, they actually know what they're talking about and have pretty good evidence that the underwear actually DID belong to the victim.

Mass murderers are not serial killers, and vice versa.

There's no way they have DNA evidence that they are the victims' underwear yet. It takes months to get those results..

maintaining an attitude of " innocent till proven guilty" in light of the seemingly overwhelming evidence against this man does not mean you believe this man is innocent. Based on what we know, his guilt seems certain, but that is not the same as conviction. both the guilty and innocent are entitled to an assumption of innocence by the courts until their trial is concluded. In the case of the guilty, the delay in retribution is temporary and unaffected by the delay of "due process of law". If the evidence is as overwhelming as it seems to be, there is nothing that will keep this person from a deservedly horrible fate. I can not understand why some clamor for pronouncement of guilt and administration of justice before a trial occurs. It is as obvious as a punch in the nose that this process serves to prevent injustice to the innocent. The forestalling of justice for the guilty is a small price to pay in order to protect the innocent. Further, the purpose of punishment is NOT vengeance. It is to ensure the safety of society by removing those who can not be trusted from our midst and to set an example that will act as a deterrant to others. Vengeance is reserved for a much higher court than any available in this life

Mass murderers are not serial killers, and vice versa.

Maybe he's a cross-dresser, and the panties are his own. Let's not rush to conclusions! What a coward this guy is..

did anyone read or hear if he has an alibi for the time of these crimes

Couldn't the Globe have asked the police 'how do you know the underwear belonged to the victims?' It's a reasonable question: as far as I know, DNA testing requires time -- more time than matching the gun to the crime, which also has not been completed.

This is cable news-style reporting.

And don't forget, in addition to all the other evidence, they can trace the location of his BlackBerry at the times of the crimes... and we know that it was on because he was seen texting in the surveillance videos.

He looks a lot like Dahmer to me, just a dazed blonde blank expression. NO GUILT

Thank you, Jeb!

@Missy509: when investigators use the term, “Mementos” it is because they are items not found in normal places….for example, an underwear drawer. They found two pairs, they said. This leads me to believe that they were a) not the same brand as the ones the fiancé wears and b) were not with other underwear. He hollowed out a book and hid a gun inside it. And yes, he could hide these things so his fiancé would never find them. If the police were making it up, they would also add “bras” and “jewelry” to the list. As for how do you get a hooker’s underwear? Well, how do you THINK you get a hooker’s underwear? Remember, the Green River Killer picked on prostitutes. The BTK Killer was an active member of the church and an upstanding member of his community and his wife or kids had no clue what he was doing. I’m just saying that it is more possible than you think to keep a darker side hidden.
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missy509 is so dumb.. you really are.. how do you explain the gun and zip ties?? why are you only commenting on the underwear because its a weak piece of evidence RIGHT NOW?? how do you explain the fact that he looks EXACTLY like the guy in the surveillance video?? open up your eyes and don't be so trusting or next time its gonna happen to you. this guy is clearly demented look how many people are jumping to come forward to give their opinion on how strange dude was.. its 2009 wake up a serial killer could be your neighbor or even your child, mother, brother or father and if your not willing to realize and recognize that then you live an extremely sheltered life

Just becuase you eat Mentos doesn't mean you killed anyone!!!?

#55, my daughter is in 2nd year and she is 23, and her roommate is also 23.

Regarding how they know it's someone else's underwear...different sizes?
"Excuse me, miss, is this your underwear?"
"Gosh, no..."

Who needs DNA testing???

Duh.

I like the cross-dressing angle though. Cute.

To whichever poster up there wrote this sounds like undiagnosed bipolar disorder -- it sure does. Hope his family now realizes that and tries to get him some help, which is almost impossible while incarcerated.

i understand that in the UK, evidence is withheld from publication until the trial in order to ensure that prejudicial information does not influence potential jurors if left unanswered - as it often is. It seems that no harm would come to society by our having the same restrictions. The guilty would still be punished but justice is more likely to be served in the case of the innocent who have convincingt responses to charges against them. Their reputations are then less likely to be needlessly harmed. We should do likewise. Accusations of horrible crimes should be done in court and the public should simply wait till the process completes itself. The result will be the same as if they heard the evidence immediately. I

Reminds me of the Ted Bundy case.
If you're not old enough to remember; look it up.
It will scare you to death!

It's unfortunate that his family and friends thinks he's not capable, everyone is capable. They need to stop fluffing the story with "he was a med student" and "he was to get married on a beach..." just because those seem like normal things doesn't make him more innocent.

They should be able to obtain some DNA to determine whose panties are whose from vaginal secretions on the garment's crotch area.

I dont know Markoff or his fiance. But if it IS true that the underwear belongs to victims, then present it with DNA evidence. Saying that the underwear belongs to victims but which victims it is isnt known, proves that DNA tests have not been done.

Has it been proven it is his gun that killed the woman? Has it been proven his restraints were used? He could very well be the killer, but printing articles based on speculation and not on fact is stupid. And printng stories from any no name person who had lab with him that wants her 15 minutes of fame and declares him "dark" because e didnt alays smile at her is stupid. The media needs to focus on oncrete evidence, NOT speculation. People like you are falling right into the medias trps The print stuff with no proof to back it up, and suckers like you eat it up. Really? Underwear found in a room that has not been DNAtested is proof? Really? And if some of you dumba*ses read, youd see his g lives with him, not in NJ.

I am never going to go to a doctor again who is from BU. They accept some real crazy people in their med program there.

Johnny Wingnut is hilarious. Using this case as a chance to call the Globe "libural" .. pure reverse genius.

This Markoff creep is Innocent! (until proven guilty)

It's amazing more people aren't killed via these random hook ups. I suspect most are just abused, robbed, raped and never report it to the police. A single woman or young man going to meet a random stranger on CL is like rollerblading on highway 101

This whole case is disgusting. But what is really sad about it is the Limbaugh ditto heads trying to pin the blame on "liberal media". Last time I checked Sumner Redstone was not a "liberal" and he has the highest rated news media outlets. The so called "liberal media" barely exists, and the right wing media has been dominating ratings for almost a decade now. Foxnews, WallSt Journal etc..

All right, all right. It's my underwear, okay?

IP addresses can be manipulated and therefore not a credible source of location(ask any hacker). In addition, so many people are furious that the media destroyed this man's character so the police had to do some planting of underwear so that many of them will not lose their jobs for blming the wrong man.

The facts also present only $53, 000 in gambling winnings. Just because he gambled does not make him a gambler. The man does not fit the initial profile of the "heroin drug addict.."

Oh and to the people who claim he looks just like the guy on the surveilance...really? you must be looking at some different pictures b/c everyone i see is very grainy. wow, they both have light hair. omg, arrest him!

Okay. It must be that one of the surviving victims had told police he had taken her underwear. The underwear were obviously hidden, I would guess, which would make them suspicious. Perhaps they were in the book with the gun. Either way, I'm sure they were looking for the panties because one of the victims had given them this information. I'm sure, unless they've been washed, they can be tested for DNA matches to each victim. Duh.

A) American Psycho is a work of fiction and was originally a book by B.E. Ellis
B) Markoff is not a mass murderer or a serial killer. He barely even qualifies as a serial robber as he is only known to have commited 3 crimes
C) This guy is not even close to Ted Bundy. Hell, he isn't even close to the Holmkas
D) I am glad this loser is off the streets but can we refrain from turning every story into "THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY".

Okay. It must be that one of the surviving victims had told police he had taken her underwear. The underwear, I would guess, were hidden, which would make them suspicious and stand out to police. Perhaps they were in the book with the gun. Either way, I'm sure they were looking for the panties when they searched his place because one of the victims had given them this information. I'm sure, unless they've been washed, they can be tested for DNA matches to each victim. Duh.

Vaginal DNA will determine ownership of the 'Underwear'!! Also, if they (Authorities) get a 'Match' for the firearm & bullets used for the killing.....Then this guy is "TOAST"!!

I feel extremely sorry for the fiance who almost married this Psycho!! She fell 'Hook, Line & Sinker' for this Nut!!

anyone here a distict judge?

Markoff's fiancee sounds an awful lot like Sandra Boss (the former wife of "the man known as Clark Rockefeller"). Being a married woman myself, I am dumbfounded that they did not have an inkling about what their men were up to. Not even the tiniest suspicion? I just don't buy that.

Why don't we have a trial BEFORE we convict him. If he's guilty, he should never see the light of day again, but. .. . BUT. . . . we ought to remember the Olympic bomber, Richard Jewell. . .. .oh, wait, he didn't do it. . .

Let's keep the baseless allegations to ourselves until 12 good citizens tell us what the truth proves to be. . .

Next thing you know they will have a video of him commiting his crimes and his family will still say he is innocent. If the show fits, then wear it.

He seems like another Ted Bundy to me! He also had a fiance' before, was intelligent, and a charmer. The people that think he is innocent need to wake up!

to ajr- Try googling up some current UK crime cases. You will notice they do not even use the word "allegedly." They are way more into blabbing and blaming. They even do it with US stories in UK publications. In this situation with Mr. Markoff, the investigation at first was ongoing and police released the surveillance photos to get assistance from the public, to bring forth other victims, and to warn potential victims. It worked! They are still asking any possible other victims to come forth -- if they are alive to come forth!

We are not a jury! We are just a stupid public Comment board. We have every right to believe the police caught the right man. Among other things, our belief in his guilt excludes us from ever participating in the jury.

We all know, evidence is sometimes shaky. But in this case, I do not believe it is. That is why the police are showcasing it -- it makes them look smart and capable. There are clear photos from 3 hotels, a documented gambling problem, a gun, zip ties, underwear, emails and past emails, his own prior Craigslist posting offering sex services, phone calls, eyewitnesses, most likely DNA. So hello? He is nailed. Thank goodness. I use Craigslist and this is one less psycho on there using it, thousands more left to go!

This is over. Markoff will plead out. The only trial defense is insanity if they care to spend the money on it, which I would doubt. By May 21 watch for a series of motions on Markoff's behalf ending with summary judgment. The defense should start praying for a decent judge.

This is sad. Sad that it seems such a promising young man was actually an evil person. And sad how many comments are basically showing us how mobs form. We have a judicial process for a reason. The police should stop releasing "evidence" immediately. Let the process proceed as it should.

"This story just gets weirder and weirder. How do they know who the underwear belonged to? It could belong to his fiancee, no?"

Scratch and sniff?

Appearing"normal" clean cut & Non threatening contributes to making people like this able to do what they do. If he was was, scary threatening or wierd looking he would be avoided. His Victims trust him. The Women are involved in risky behavior. Meeting Strangers in Hotel rooms, alone? They are also involved in Marginal or illegal activities & he knew they were less likely to involve the police. Maybe he has robbed others who never reported it. Now its esculated to murder. Med students are POOR!Unless from a wealthy family
they can't afford his lifestyle

After all these press articles and evidence leaks, the guy better be truly guilty or the Boston Police are going to have real egg on their faces.
Whatever happened to discretion until the trial? Jeeez.

Didn't think you'd publish that one.....your BIAS is showing.

Is there going to be a trial in an actual coutroom? Or just a public kangaroo court with unsubstantiated innuendo from anonymous cowards? I don't care if the guy's guilty or not, but all of you should put yourself in his shoes and wonder about due process for yourselves before you rant about locking him up and throwing away the key...or worse.

Horrible crime by him and a terrific comedy routine by the bride to-have-been. You couldn't write a funnier skit! "He is innocent!" "His hobby is hollowing out textbooks to hide guns!" "What do the police know about investigating crimes?" This is too funny! To the future bride: KEEP IT GOING HUNNY! HA HA!

The headlines says it's the victim's underwear but doesn't know which one? Sounds like a trial by press.

OK so he has some underwear and a gun. That does not make him guilty.

I will reserve judgment until after a fair trial.

This is America, not a lynch mob, no?

People are too proud to admit that he fooled them all. Now you are trying to say that because he is blond...clean cut and so and so he is not capable of such crimes. Sheesh, you don't know the first thing about human nature. I'd understand if he were black. The police doesn't go around framing white dudes. I don't think they have time for that

To everyone commenting that he is a "psychopath". Not to split hairs, but he isn't a "psychopath". He is a sociopath. A psychopath is not in touch with reality and is unaware of true right and wrong. A sociopath is aware of right and wrong. They just think it doesn't apply to them, or that they are above everything. Sociopath examles included Scott Peterman (sp?), Ted Bundy, Jim Jones, etc.
This guy is gonna get his fanny roughed up when he goes to the pokey.

he is a loser--sounds like his fiance and family is too--- get on with more news-- these people are absolute pieces----- Boston University ? please--- just more losers from this dump---- let's get the BU biolab outta here while we're at it-- maybe rebuild it in upstate NY---

If the panties don't fit you must acquit... ;-)

All of this "why didn't the police ask this?" and "why didn't they look for that?" - it's ridiculous. Do you all really think that every detail of the police investigation is in the newspaper? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the police might have some reason to believe that the underwear in question isn't the fiancee's, for example, and that they might not have seen fit to share that with Globe reporters? I mean, I get that everyone writing comments is a 21st century Hercule Poirot and is convinced they Know The Real Truth, but for heaven's sake, think.

There are more pairs of underwear than there are documented victims at this point! One murder victim?? This may be just the tip of the iceburg. Could there be dozens more? I hope the police know what they're doing and have preserved the evidence.

What is the point in continually describing Ms Leffler as a prostitute. Jeez give her a break

IF The underware has DNA linked to the victims and IF his gun is linked to the murder victim, THEN, there might be something to gossip about. Until then, it is so tiresome to read the paper and hear the TV coverage that is always so quick to condemn. Can't you people wait for a trial?
WHY are the cops "leaking" all of this information? I'm going to read about the verdict when it comes in. Until then, he is innocent in my book and the rest of you should assume that as well.

Sounds like Raskolnikov in "Crime and Punishment."

Yes ajr, Americans are told and believe they have the best legal system in the World. But it sucks, Many cases turn into a media circuses. In Canada we had a serial killer case in Vancouver and the judge ordered a publication ban. Which meant you could only report on things as it came out in court. It was very civilized and grown up. Of course you have your constitution that says the press is free and few argue the need for much control. Like anything some descretion is needed. The UK, Canada and other nations sometimes put a sock in the "Freedom" thing when it is suitable.. Also, In Canada OJ would be tried a second time. Take THAT!

To #45 Concerned Citizen, he got away ODD? He had a GUN.....of course, he could get away. Are you going to argue with a gun?

I also wondered if the financee might know of the robberies? How does a med student have time to rob, kill, go to RI, CT, and study? He had quite the schedule.

They should let him go because he's real sexy cute!

He wont do it again I promise :-D

That's racist.

Something that I don't get is that like he killed those people for "NO" Reason.. I Think he should be guilty.. CAUSE he had no right to do that to those people..

Start that evidence!!

What a wake up call for ALL women who trust a man that looks so all-American with that baby face and phenomenal credentials. Boy, that pent up rage sure can come out sideways in bazaar way.

maybe he only killed the ONE girl that put up a fight......ANYONE is capable of murder people...Liberals ,Conservatives....College kids , Preists....you want me to keep going.....and as for the panties, who gives a damn where they came from....sounds like enough evidence to convict him already.......

From the "evidence" about PM so far:
He is not a serial killer. His is a stalker, and a robber. That explained why he kept those "mementos". But one of the times things got out of control. He was surprised that the girls would fight back, so he was panic and killer her. That would explain why he left so many traces for the police to catch him. In his mind, those Craigslist women would never call police for the robbery, and that's why he felt so safe. However, once a girl is dead, it totally changed the nature of the crime.......
If I were his layer, I would be bargaining with Police for Manslaughter: because PM was not intend to kill.... he might just want to scare the girl, but things got out of control...... And based on MA law, he would be free in 20 years... for a Wall Street job perhaps....? That's may explain why Boston PD is still looking for leads to other possible crimes because they are also unwilling to give up this guy so easy.....
The weapon and underwears are just part of his psycho ......

What is it with Doctors, or in this case soon to be Doctors in MA? There is that Dr. who was charged with killing his girlfriend OB/GYN Dr. several years ago....That wacko cross-dressing Dr. who killed his wife and then that Dr. who lived in Wellesley who was convicted of killing his wife while out on a walk. Little blondie Dr. to-be should be thankful he was caught otherwise she could have been the next one....

Again the prudes at Boston Globe....

I mean who hasn't committed felony robbery/murder and snagged a few panties when in college?

Boys will be boys!

It's unfortunate that most of you automatically believe every word media is giving you, trying to sell the story. And no one wants to give this guy and his family the chance to defend themselves, what if this was you son, brother or father accused of such a horrible crime, would you request a fare trial. “He is innocent until proven guilty!!!” What if the killer is still out there free and searching for his next victim and the cops are just trying to close this case, what if the guy was framed? What if the fiancée herself has something to due with this? What if? What if? what if???? All we have - statements given us by media and no evidence, we don’t even know yet if the gun found in his apartment is the gun used in this case, don’t have DNA on the underwear, He is - Innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um... Does no one remember DUKE LACROSSE?????

sure seems like the guy is guilty... but then again it sure seemed like those Duke boys were too... Jeez, everyone take a deep breath

To set the record straight, Philip Markoff has a presumption of innocence until found guilty in a court of law. All of this discussion about IP addresses, victim's panties, surveillance video, a gun hidden in a medical book are not "evidence" until entered in as evidence in a court of law. Evidence needs to meet specific criteria to be admitted as evidence such as chain of custody. Based on what the media has reported it doesn't look good for Markoff, but that does not make him guilty....yet. Let this case play out in the court and let the police do their job.

The police cannot give us all the details of what they have found; I am sure they found other things pertaining to the crimes of which we are not aware. The fiancee is a tall woman; the guy is 6 ft 3 in tall; she appears to be about 5 ft, 10 in tall. The woman murdered looks like a petite woman. Maybe the suspect wrapped the gun in those two pairs of underwear and were hidden in that carved out medical book. Ted Bundy had things in his home his girfriend did not know about because he kept them hidden. She did discover the plaster, tho, and that helped the case against Bundy. He was "clean-cut" too!

WOULD YOU PEOPLE JUST STOP AND THINK...ITS ALL A SET UP...LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO OJ.....

Such a quick rush to judge this guy. It reminds me of the Duke rape case and how did that turn out?

The fact this stuff is being leaked is bs. I know it happens but what recourse does this guy have if he is innocent? A lawsuit against the State? I'm sure that will make everything fine and dandy with his family and fiancee.

maybe the police know his fiance does not use underwear?? Everyone knows he is guilty except his fiance and his lawyer. His lawyer hasn't been following him, and did not find his gun. So he must conclude he is innocent.

I agree with Miss Lou...Ted Bundy was handsome, smart, and charming. And a wacko deluxe.....

I'm curious what the fiancee says now that they found the victims' underwear in the psycho's room. She originally defended him, but now she has to know that the cops probably saved her from becoming some kind of weird slasher-dismembered-wife victim story 10 years down the road.

OMG you 'innocent-until-proven-guilty Zealots'!! We are not a jury. This is not a court of law. This is a forum for crikey's sake. Back off wouldya?

Look. Listen. Learn. 1) Gun matches 2) surveillance matches 3) cell phone records match 4) description match 5) panties match (not the panties match the bra but you know) 6) eyewitness match

Good grief...what more could you possibly need in order to feel comfortable stating the opinion that this guy is guilty as sin? What?!

The cops do a DNA sample from the victims; and do the same on the panties to see if they match. They do the fiance' if they have too. But logically why the fiancé? He could have her panties any time.

Then there is the issue of the emails and links to Craigslist. Remember too Craigslist servers store a lot of datestamp and MAC address too. And the gun and the victim who survived. Lord knows what else they have as evidence.

He is clean cut and all but it ain't looking good for all him and the family...not good at all. Poor Fiancé'

if you guys only knew... this kid really exposes one of the truly ugly side of today's medicine. as the cost of medical education goes up and becomes essentially prohibitive to the vast majority of us, it's only these rich, spoiled, narcissists who can afford the pie in the sky tuition at places like b.u. med, the most expensive medical school in the country. it's been this bad for while now (i know , i went to tufts med almost 20 yrs. ago- same deal). think about it: you are 22, no job, go to a school that's well over 50k a year, and you got time and money to gamble when you should be studying for the boards part one?? unfortunately, these are too often the kind of kids going to med school days. think they care about your co-pay?

"The facts also present only $53, 000 in gambling winnings."

Only winnings? got links?

" Just because he gambled does not make him a gambler. "

Sure...and all 2nd year med students head to casinos regualrly let alone timed tightly with robberies and let alone on Monday afternoons of a work/.study week....all perfectly normal for one to visit a casino 4x in 2 weeks when a student <eyerool* About as normal and routine as texting from the locations of a string of crime scenes....and happening to look like the perp on surveilance footage (that perp on camera already ID'd by one of the vistims as their assailant)....and just as normal to be hiding semiautomatic pistols in hollowed out med school text books....and happening to have memetos from crime vistims....very routine and innocent. And happening to have zipties and duct tape coincidentall as being the same materials used to bind victims.....and happening to have an IP trail from the victims to their home computer obviously a set up by myster men and not good ole Phil.....just like gambling does not make him a gambler having an increasing body of evidence from a murder and same m.o. robberies doesn't make him a murderer either right? After all Mr Clean cut wouldn't hurt a fly.

Horse hockey!

Presumably if the underwear belonged to his fiancee, it wouldn't be hidden with the handgun in the hollowed-out copy of Gray's Anatomy...

Why are all these serial killers predominantly white christian conservatives? (like the guy in Kansas city)

Of course all the parallel mass killers are almost all white christian conservatives (Like bush killed 1M in Iraq, Johnson Nixon killed 1-2M in Vietnam, Truman killed 200K overnight in Japan). Of course Mssrs Hitler and Stalin all started life as white christians.

"Oh and to the people who claim he looks just like the guy on the surveilance...really? you must be looking at some different pictures b/c everyone i see is very grainy. wow, they both have light hair. omg, arrest him!"

Quit changing the subject. He wasn't just arrested because he looks a lot or a little like the guy in the surveillance.....it's that the communications links from the victim led the police to a guy that also happens to not so coincidentally look arguably a LOT like the guy on surveillance (some clearer than other). And while you see no resemblance, or are just arguing for argument's sake and for attention, there were past and present acquaintances and friends of Markoff who DID think the surveillance videos looked just like him. For example "Kehoe said when he saw images of the suspect in the attacks taken by hotel security cameras, there was no doubt in his mind that Markoff was the man pictured."
msnbc.msn.com/id/30321664/
And the police thanked the public for helping build a case and compelling arrest justification.

For what it's worth I see the same jaw line, nose, hair style.....wanna bet they found the ball cap and jacket in his apartment too? But then again it's not the surveillance that busted him as much as the internet use and likely texting done and that can be synced to surveillance.

One last time for Missy and the others isolating issues in defense of someone they are so overly worried about getting a fair shake-
it's the BODY of EVIDENCE that will prove compelling or not and how it's presented - NOT any one issue and not how nice this guy looks or how much he loves his fiance or their kitty cat or whatever other irrelevant fodder.

Nothing said in these forums will change that the evidence and story that adds it up for the jury is what will matter...provided a plea deal isn't made.

-Whatever happens to innocent until prove guilty? For all we know, the Boston PD could be overzealous and framed this guy? Who knows? Please refrain from passing judgment. Because you know as much as I do about this guy; which is not much. The things we know about him are the things that are being control-released by the BPD. I don't think that's very fair. BPD has been wrong in many investigations before. We did not hear his side of the story.
-You guys are like the mobs, similar to those people from the middle ages where a king would say someone guilty then you would throw stones at him or her without knowing if the person was guilty or not. Use your judgement wisely. It's one of the best civic duty you have.

So does he admit to cheating on his fiance?

Duke Lacrosse and Richard Jewel. "Four days after the bombing, news organizations reported that Jewell was considered a potential suspect in the bombing" Eventually he was proved innocent and actually a hero.

Based on what I have seen in the press I would think Markoff probably did do this but I will wait to judge him until he has his day in court. If he did it I hope he gets everything he deserves.

I feel sorry for his fiance, family and especially the victums and their families.

Bye bye sicko. Hope you enjoy your time in prison.

Reports mentioned he moved in with the girlfriend. Someone above didn't think they lived together. Perhaps if he took the underwear from victims, it was to humiliate them, and they wouldn't have clothing on to run to get help. That would take extra time? The first escort said he never touched her. So do you really think he was going to these women for sex? It appears he was going there to rob them after getting them in a compromised situation. Then again, we don't know what he wrote over computer, but he was leading them to believe he was meeting them for their massage services, etc. Whatever the case. This is a horrible crime. I feel bad for women who put their lives on the line trying to make a living this way. It is not our place to judge them, because we know in this economy finding a job even for ivy league grads is a chalenge. Let's hope all people come forward who may have been victims of this predator, and as another person mentioned, perhpas noone has come forth because they are dead. With technology his activity will be traced back, and the PD will have a greater insight as to how long he was involved in these types of activities. It appears he is the man who was filmed, and with the compulsive habit of gambling, he was clearly driven by something of which he had no control. It was stated he played poker for years. His mother working in a casino was probably exposure to this for him, and who knows what he saw being around a casino. Aren't they known for having women of the night frequent casinos to pickup men who have scored gambling? At least that was the case in Las Vegas. Poor Julissa, trying to turn her life around, and she'd met that nice man who went to Yale. It was to be her last time.

>> Whatever happens to innocent until prove guilty?

Nothing happened to it - this is just a discussion forum not a sequestered jury pool.

>> For all we know, the Boston PD could be overzealous and framed this guy?

Then for all we know Santa and Easter bunny did it and the cops are framing this guy because it's more plausible *shrug* Come on now....Either this is some mass conspiracy by zealous cops to frame a guy many would never believe to be guilty because of his superficial attributes OR more likely there's a lot of stinking turds about this guy's behavior that are being unearthed from many a unbiased source. You decide? Nope - don't bother, a jury will....and in the mean time this is virtual whisky talk about the unveiling of an interesting case.

>> Use your judgement wisely. It's one of the best civic duty you have.

Save the admonishments for the jury Judge Allison.

GUILTY FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace be with you, Megan. Please know that you WILL feel better again and you'll find a man way better than the psycho that tricked you into loving him.

Fredman # 159
"unfortunately, these are too often the kind of kids going to med school days. think they care about your co-pay?"

excuse me, did you say you graduated from medical school? I have been a faculty member for 3 medical schools for over 26 years and I have never encountered this -- or anything close to this-- in my career. I find it appalling that you pass judgement on an entire generation of med students who are putting in long hours with great dedication because of one (presumed) student with obvious psychopathology. It is a shame his problems were not detected, but this is all too often the case with mental illness.

Aside from these crimes, he was a really great guy.

Serial? I will be really surprised if, within a week, he is not tied to more killings of women or men. Anyone want to make a bet? Feeling lucky? Place your wagers here.

Can't catch a faster ride to CEDAR JUNCTION than this moron did.

The article stated that authorities don't know to which victims the underwear belongs. Without that knowledge, how do they know the underwear belongs to any of them? They are testing the gun to see if it's the murder weapon? Exactly what EVIDENCE did they arrest this guy on? He likes womens underwear and guns? It sounds to me like they haven't shown any evidence yet.

The lack of expression when he was arraigned was so chilling. If he is convicted, that empty face tells all. Lack of empathy. Ted Bundy wore his arm in a sling so he could lure young coeds into his humble VW in order to brutually kill them, and he was college age. He had no feeling at all for what he was about to do. I should think someone innocent of such an awful crime would reach out and react. But that would be normal. So many bloggers here are trying to make "sense." Not going to happen in this case.

What a sight - trial by media manipulated lynch mob! What separates you from the jungle's criminal class? What do you really know about it other than selectively released maybes, spin - and your base, mad, emotionally-driven hate?

1. The pistol must be ID'd to the murder weapon. If not it's irrelevant to the case. 2. The panties must be positively identified as belonging to the victims. If not he simply collected panties. 3. The 3 surviving victims must positively identify him. 4. His fingerprints must be found at the crime scenes. Without one or more of these elements a prosecution will be very shaky indeed.

BosGirl, don't forget the med school professor Bill Douglas who confessed to prostitute Robin Benedict's murder -after- he spent all his grant money on her. Look up "Missing Beauty" by Teresa Carpenter. Oh and Bill Douglas was really smart and one of the best professors I had at Tufts.

The stream on this is so very so very entertaining--I can't remember a single time when a relative/"loved one" hasn't said the accused was perfect, coulnd't have done it/in total shock...
The wedding, I assume is off.
Hopefully this young woman will take a few years off and reflect--I certainly wouldn't want someone who is my doctor to just look on the surface and diagnose.
My sympathy to the victims and their families.

Typical BU.

I suggest they put him in an dark interview room with a mirror that is actually see-through from the other side where more cops/detectives are quietly debating about whether they have enough evidence. Then a detective perhaps female or junior, should ask him questions about his whereabouts on the night(s) in question. Maybe offer him a cigarette and see if his hand shakes when he reached for the pack.....? Or a drink of water that he may sip nervously and maybe spill on the desk? And then maybe get one of the senior detectives to yell at him suddenly, disclosing the evidence that the cops may or may not have, no-one can handle that sort of pressure, He'll crack for sure and admit guilt.

Or better still open the case to a whole bunch of folks on the internet, who collectively could piece together information they've read in the press. They could all put each other down etc weeding out the idiots, so only the smartest of internet folk will be left to solve the crime!

Allston - I agree. What we are seeing is trial by lynch mob, incited by controlled release of spun circumstantial information. Absolutely repulsive!

It's amazing what base, prejudicial ignorance, properly manipulated, is capable of producing...

Markoff, Madoff... what's the difference?

I blame George W. Bush...

Guilty.

What if this BU medical student had access to deadly airborne viruses? HE FOOLED SO MANY. He's clean cut? Look what had to happen before those who knew him believed it.

He did his abuse in downtown Boston. Is it really just the Roxbury and S. End residents who are at RISK????? This BU student did a lot of traveling.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

I am sorry for the young ladies and their families

But, This is a GREAT worse case scenario for BU to use in their 4th Risk Analysis

I don't know if the dude's guilty or innocent. It sure sounds like he did it. What's more troubling to me, though, is how people take what's reported by the media as fact, even after time and time again we've seen they're human. I remember the olympic bomber in Atlanta...the media, cops, etc got that wrong too, and he sure "looked" guilty. Same with that poor schmuck in Florida who was accused of murdering those college kids, only to find out it was actually Danny Rolling.

Really, he's probably guilty. But the moral certainty many of you speak with based only on reading some media reports is disturbing, and doesn't speak highly of you.

Welcome to america. He will be flooded with offers of marriage. He is famous, young and good looking after all.

this is exactly why so many escorts are leaving craigslist for datingANDthecity(dot)com. craigslist is filled with sickos.

To.....Posted by gotarope April 22, 09 08:13 PM

I'll bet you a European vacation, that this guy goes down!!!! The facts & evidence of this case are overwhelming to anyone with half a brain!!!

There are clear photos from 3 hotels, a documented gambling problem, a gun, zip ties, underwear, emails and past emails, his own prior Craigslist posting offering sex services, phone calls, eyewitnesses, most likely DNA. So hello? He is nailed.

Bundy the 2nd.....Except he got caught a lot earlier than Ted....Because of todays modern 'Crime Fighting' technology!!!

Boy....I'd love you on a jury, if I committed a serious crime!! I might have OJ's luck at his first trial!!! But....what goes around, comes around! Just takes some time!

If the guy is guilty then he'll have his day in court and hopefully justice will be served. I don't think convicting him in the media is right. If anyone cared to actually read the article beyond the headline you see it says he kept underwear from two of the victims but then goes on to say Police don't know which victims underwear he had. So my question is how do they know it belonged to a victim if they don't know who they belonged to. Do only victims of crime wear this type of underwear? Look at the destruction of this guys life so far. Pictures of his fiancee & from his yearbook. What happens if he isn't the right guy? Will anyone help him get his life back? The Answer is NO.
Doesn't he deserve a fair trial to be certain? So many of you overlooked a simple detail. I hope you never called called to Jury duty. You would probably choose execute someone so you can get home by 5.

The only people who are required to presume a person is "innocent until proven guilty" are jurors. I still believe OJ to be guilty of murdering two people even though the criminal case jurors did not.

Come on people, if it was his fiance's underwear why would he put them in a hollowed out book??

UNDERWEAR! You people and the underwear! Back in ancient history before polymerase chain reaction DNA testing (circa 1992), the only way this underwear would be identified is by the robbed women saying, "He took my underwear. It is size 6 and pink silk and from Victoria's Secret." Okay, then the police go search the possible perpetrator's house and then if they find such underwear located there, they ask the victim, "Is this it?" Okay? So, today, DNA PCR may or may not be possible on this evidence, but even without it, a visual ID will be adequate. //

ALSO, a visual ID is usually adequate to convict a person, and there is a series of clear, good photos -- both facial and full body, following a man from the hotel room, down an escalator, outside, through a mall, down the street, etc. //

We are NOT A JURY. If we were on a jury, we would be able to weigh the evidence. We have the right to be happy with the police work in this case, to think it is pretty good, and to feel confident they got their man. Okay? I am proud that the police did their jobs. When the police do something all wrong we protest that. SO when they do something right, we should appreciate and praise. And there is no comparison here to the Duke Lacrosse Team situation, which was obviously faked up from day one.

Markoff still gets his two years or more of pretrial motions followed by his lengthy trial with an unbiased jury. Maybe he even gets a mental health defense of some sort. His lawyer is ALREADY doing a good job -- he got Phil Markoff into court wearing normal-looking clothes, and with cuffs and chains that were not all that noticeable. Maybe lawyer can eventually even get him out on some very high bond while he awaits trial, especially if Markoff gets under medical care. Who knows? Even if he IS gulity, that does not mean he cannot get out of it with a good defense. Get real, people. It's not that there isn't evidence, it is that you want the evidence to go away -- and that is what a good defense team does. SO get to work.

It gets even worse - the wedding has be to canceled, one less wedding cake, one less catered wedding,a wedding band loses a job ... and so on.

madoff - made off with the money
markoff- marked off julia's life
what's next
maybe we need an OJ "off"

If the Rhode Island case does not stick, then Markoff should be found not guilty of the crime alleged in Boston, because although there could be multiple Craigslist killers within a short timeframe in the area, it would be likely that the real Craigslist killer is still at large. Also, it is logical that prostitutes have more than one client. Markoff could have been there and left his prints and claim he is embarassed about his sexual problems and argue that the victim must have been killed by one of her subsequent appointments.

i cant believe the ridiculous stories here about him possibly being not guilty of these crimes, of coarse the police are not giving their names, they are not supposed to leak informaton about evidence to the public, they wouldnt mention the underwear if they didnt do the dna on them, why look like idiots for no reason? dna only takes at the very most 3 days! everything points to him,he was seen at every place where somebody died, he was changing his email address to a newly registered email to contact each of these women, they said the underwear belonged to the victimS..come on! read between the lines here!!! dont be idiots!! they did the dna already if they know the underwear belonged to different victimS! also dont ask a stupid question like "ugh so he robbed them of their unerwear?" he is deranged,he can do anyting and we shouldnt be surprised about it! after they are dead he can take anything!!! fyi rigamortis doesnt set in for at least 15 minutes and underwear stretches anway so they wouldnt be difficult to remove AFTER they are dead, and for the massage therapist with a gun pointed at her head do you think she would argue about taking her underwear off? im just speculatin here but im sure a prostitute would have her underwear of already, its sort of in the coarse of procedure in her libe of work...also did his gf know he had a gun hidden on his grays anatomy book? why hide a gun in that way if you are registered to have it anyway? if he had it for protection why secretly conceal that he had one in this creepy way? and for everyones stpid remarks about how he wouldntbring underwear back to him apt...maybe he had the underwear hidden in a hollowed out PDR! for his GF who thought he wouldnt hurt a fly, what is he doing with a gun anyway? what else could you use a gun for unless you plan on needing it to hurt someone?? why does eveyone think all this evidence is so absudrd that he isnt the killer, i cant believe people are so stupid! i hope the worl are not the kind of oblivious idiots i am seeing here...it seems pretty clear that is ENABELING family, GF and friends of are behind these ridiculous remarks! i mean come one, do you really think the only way he could be the killer is if he tells his live in, "ugh, i gota go out tonight to kill somebody" NO! he made excuses for everything and hid everything he could from everyone he could! if he was ordering in a masage, why wouldnt he have it done at his own house? did he keep it a secret from his GF that he was even geting massages? and why i hat? with gambling debts why is he reanting expensive hotel rooms to get a massage if they are "come to" massage therapists? THINK PEOPLE THINK! HE IS GUILTY! too much of this stuff does not make any sense at al!

The stupidity here is astounding...

The probable cause of this dilemma is most likely GAMBLING, in my openion this is what drove this guy to commit such horrible crime.I know friends whose lives have been destroyed by gambling addiction, i feel very sad for everyone involved, his life is now over, his dream of becoming a doctor, husband, father & etc has taken a sudden nosedive, God knows what he is going through. I hope that the police have the right suspect in custody.

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