Giuliani ad links World War II, 9/11

Rudy's crass and cynical manipulation of fear and nationalist bigotry are symptomatic of the profound pathology of US politics at this late stage of the Republic. If the US public is so confused as to swallow such bait, then perhaps we deserve the long fascist nightmare into which the GOP has pushed us, and the Democrats have seldom, and weakly, opposed. Shall we crown Rudy our first Caesar Augustus?

Rudy Giuliani is a fraudulent, lying sack of crap. The entire "War on
Terror" is a filthy bad joke. If anyone is so freaking stupid as to belive that
you can, with any hope of success, prosecute a violent war on people who
are willing to kill themselves just to hurt you, then you are just beyond help.

And making the association between the New York public servants, whom
I saw, on Sept. 11, 2001 on numerous video screens, running away from
the burning and falling World Trade Centre, with the folks who fought in
World War II, is just obscene. I saw the video reports of the New York
cops, running as fast as their fat little piggy legs would carry them, hot-footing
it away from the ground-zero site - in many films, they were out-legging the
dust and dirt covered citizens who it was their job to help!

The entire "War on Terror" - from the phony CIA reports of atom bombs
in Iraq, to the use of offshore torture camps by the United States Government,
has been a grotesque exercise in groupthink stupidity and anti-Christian
horror-mongering. Everyone is making money off of it, and hundreds of
thousands have died, and the world - now, in 2007 - is a *VERY* much more
violent, dangerous, and angry place. Guliani should shut his freaking
mouth, and just go home. He is a failed, stupid, vicious, fool - the very
worst kind.

Looks like - after dropping in the polls while not talking constantly about 911 - he's decided to go back to his staple. But it's too late for Rudy. He looked so weak in the debates on so many issues that scaring people into voting for him will not work. We're scared allright; scared to vote for him under any circumstances. He's a 911 profiteer, not a hero. Big deal, he walked down the street after 911 and held a news conference. Whuppity-do. Hero, my ..... .

Mark Langdon, I can't really say it any better than you just have. Guliani is a despiccable excuse for a human being, and anyone who supports his fear mongering bull is beyond stupid.

stop using ww2 to show american persevearance
the russians won the war
face it!

Mark Langdon is a stupid, lying sack of crap. I am not in favor of Mr. Guiliani. However, the reason America entered World War II is the SAME reason America began a War on Terror. There was an attack on American soil.

If Mark Langdon or Richard Day had been in New York City that day, instead of passively watching the event on television as if it were a bad sitcom, perhaps they would have basis for commenting on how frightful it is to have the two largest skyscrapers in your city fall down over your head.

But since Mark Langdon and Richard Day are not personally acquainted with terrorism, they should keep their ill-advised comments to themselves. At least Mr. Guiliani can speak from personal experience. At least he was there to give a helping hand when victims of terrorism were in need.

Are any of the demagogues above NOT a liberal Dem who would forgo any opportunity to dis a republican?

Didn't think so... Keep yer heads buried in the BostonRag.

I only hope when the Islamofacists start rounding up people for head choppings they well seek out the posters to this BBS.

Funny, I thought Ostrichs were native to Africa, not Boston.

We must always be vigilant - and never forget that F.E.A.R. is easy: F alsehoods, E xclaimed, A ppearing, R eal. Once we (as a society) succomb, we are putty in the hands of 'would-be' fascists.

The strange thing is that Rudy supports taking away our freedoms and he has no respect for our Constitution. Islamic terrorists will never be able to pass things like the Patriot Act. They will never get AT&T to tap our phone calls. We can defeat a few thoussands Islamic terrorists. The real threat to our Republic is neocon totalitarians.

Rudy mentioning 9-11? Nah...cant be.

Rudy should not be elected to anything because of one reason and one reason only. Being a "lifelong" Yankee fan, the way he pandered to the Red Sox nation during the world series is unforgiveable. Red Sox and Yankee fans can certianly agree on that. Forget the politics, this shows you what the man is really like.

Mark L and Di Ab- do you make any actual positive contribution to society or do you spend your time bashing decent people? Rudy does not claim to walk on water, but he truly beleives in America and what more proof do you need that their are bad people in this world that want to hurt America? He gave credit to a great generation and it was firefighters and police that did 90% of all rescuing after 9/11- or was that you in all those photographs?

Vote Democrat and watch the terrorists follow our soldiers home to try and kill us (and our families) here again!

By God, how many times can Giuliani say 9/11 in a speech?! He has clearly claimed the heroism of that day as his and celebrates his self-proclaimed image as the personification of leadership on that sad day. Why he continues to make this a central piece of his campaign is obvious, yet doomed to failure. But having nothing else in substance to back his candidacy we can only expect more of the same from Rudolph. Next video we'll be seeing will show icons of leadership like Churchill walking through the ruins of London lifting the spirits of the people and a juxtaposing video flash of Giuliani allegedly doing the same at ground zero. The audacity!!

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Fred Stone - your blindness to the forces that control your life is typical of the remaining % of Americans who follow behind BushCo. You're so fired up, soooo much more patriotic than the rest ofp us who keep our eyes on the ball.
Bush and GOP have EXPLOITED your patriotism!!!! Stop attacking the people who are pointing that out. And stop it with the holier than thou attitude. It makes us sick! We get it! Terrorists are bad! But you don't get it. Fascism at home is worse!

So what is he doing to stop Bush, from stealing our freedoms? .... Nothing, ... if not indeed helping him!

Uh, It's been 2,292 days since George WMD Bush said he'd catch the 9/11 Conspirator Osama bin Laden 'Dead or Alive?' What about the U.S. Military Grade Anthrax Terrorist? The only Terrorist who followed us home from Iraq last time was the U.S. Soldier Tim McVeigh. Our former ally in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was enemies with Al Qaeda (The Toilet) and Iran, Iraq was not involved in 9/11/01! The dark cloud of cognitive dissonance hangs heavy over the U.S. Homeland. The terrorists didn't take away our Freedoms, the inept bankrupt and tyrannical U.S. Government did, with the Patriot Acts, the Military Commisions Acts, with secret edicts and signing statements. Dissent has been criminalized. Our elections are rigged. Like JFK said, When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revoluiton becomes inevitable. Our Revolutionary Fore Fathers must be rolling!

Fred Stone Your head must be made of Granite! and you must have a heart made of tissue paper! Mark Langdon hit the nail on the head! The only thing I could add is that Rudy is just shameless! The reason we were attacked was George was busy in Crawford clearing brush and Condoleeza was ignoring PDB's with the title "Osama Ben Laden determined to attack America" The after math can be summed up from this quote "In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility,since the great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a great lie than a small one" Adolph Hitler , Mein Kampf

Fred Stone Your head must be made of Granite! and you must have a heart made of tissue paper! Mark Langdon hit the nail on the head! The only thing I could add is that Rudy is just shameless! The reason we were attacked was George was busy in Crawford clearing brush and Condoleeza was ignoring PDB's with the title "Osama Ben Laden determined to attack America" The after math can be summed up from this quote "In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility,since the great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a great lie than a small one" Adolph Hitler , Mein Kampf

Giuliani "believes in America"? What an empty platitude. What exactly does "believing in America" mean? Are we to interpret that statement by examining what Giuliani has actually done (instead of what he has said)? If so, "believing in America" apparently means underequipping our firefighters and opposing paying for their Ground Zero-induced health problems. It means being on your 3rd wife yet claiming you support "family values". It means supporting Rupert Murdoch's bid to control all media and Hugo Chavez' calling Bush a "terrorist". It means questioning the patriotism of the members of the 9/11 Commission when they dared criticize some of his handling of 9/11. It means wanting to sell control of LaGuardia and JFK airports to the Brits. (Every single item above is true--Google it.) If this is "believing in America" I think we need some other beliefs.

I am Irish Catholic and grew up in Boston in the 70s.
I've listened to terroism talk all my life. Without having done any, I think I can say I understand it.
I saw two kinds of reaction after 9/11. The shrill/fearfull call for nuking someone, anyone.
Then the others saying lets find out who they were, catch them/kill them. Republicans without exception were terrified, democrates were not. My nieghbor who duct taped his house up was nearly pissing himself (NH).
I understood Bush when he said "go shopping". The violance of terrorizim is not the tool, the fear that results is. Violense is the hammer yes but fear is the nail that makes the effort worthwhile.

9/11 is soooo 2001.

In my humble opinion- fear mongering is the lowest form of political conversation. I believe that our two party system is partly to blame for this. instead of harping on the past we should be figuring out how to tackle our current issues both foreign and domestic. Americans will always pull together for the common good and with the proper leadership I believe Americans can and will change the path we are currently traveling.

Giuliani is a small man looking for a balcony. He's on record suggesting that the New York elections be postponed after 911 which would have kept him in power. This tells me he's scared of pissant zealots and does not trust Americans. So I don't trust him to not try the same gambit as president. I want a different kind of president than that.

Show me a republican with reasoning capability, and I'll show you Ron Paul. Everyone else running on the Republican side is in the same boat as Giuliani. Fear Fear Fear. The only Fear of mine is that we'll have someone else in the White House like George W. Bush. I pray to God (thats Jesus folks. and yes, Dems do believe in God and Jesus, and God loves them too) that its not another Neocon Republican in the Whitehouse. If we do... Say hello the United States of Fascism.

Giuliani Gets Exposed As Fraud by NYC Firefighters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Anybody who thinks Juli it worth voting for really needs to have their heads examined. He has no backbone, ah let's see we just had two airplanes crash into the WTCs maybe I should do something now instead of boinking my long island mistress on the taxpayers time.....oh shoot I can't cuz in my genius thought processes i put my office in the bomb prone building....
Get a life he should have been in is office when the planes hit or better yet in restaurant at the top
And you think he is worth voting for????????????? get real...

Noun - Verb - Nine Eleven. Noun - Verb - Nine Eleven. Anyone hear anything else?

Rudy did what any other Mayor would do.. for this he gets to run for President? The guy is a disgrace to family values and a hypocrite. I lost a family member on 9/11, using it to get elected sickens me to death.
To Apurva Joshi - The Russians won the war? Um, HELLO what planet do you live on?
To Mark Langdon - I agree with what you say except your horrible comment
on the police running for their lives. That was uncalled for and rude.
To Scott Truett s comment "Vote Democrat and watch the terrorists follow our soldiers home to try and kill us (and our families) here again" Um, last time I checked there was a Republican in the White House when 9/11 happened!!

Scott:

It was the firefighters and other city workers who did 90% of the rescuing that day, NOT the city cops. My brother-in-law is a DOT worker who spent 3 months on the pile... which is now killing him with lung disease. Remember the EPA lied and said it was safe to breathe the air downtown? Giuliani's administration took back the $173 million dollars earmarked to help the city workers who developed disabilities as a result of their selfless acts during that crisis, after the first 90 days. Its only now, 6 years past and several hundred dead rescuers later, that the condition is being recognized. And, I worked at the WTC Tower 2, 103rd floor, Cantor Fitzgerald. By the grace of God I wasn't there that day. My company lost 730 people that day, 18 in my department that I worked with. I know the fear, pain, and dread of terrorism. Rudy is not our answer, and to date we haven't come close to acting as the Greatest Generation would have.

Langdon's comments are spot on but anger from the left will do little to sway the brainwashed public into the light of thought and self-reflection. Unfortunately the powers that be (and "have been" for far too long) have all but destroyed the aspects of America that made this country wonderful...a free and adequate education, discipline, hard work, personal freedom (including freedom to make bad decisions), and open criticism. Now school's are expected to parent but prevented from discipline, mediocrity is celebrated, rhetoric has been largely phased out, and standing apart is frowned upon or at least not encouraged. The causes for these tendencies in our nation are many, including entitlement programs, technology dependence, having it too good for too long, and the complicated and interwoven list goes on. It is however clear that this national mindset has been put in place by the policy makers and the end result seems clear...complacency and/or apathy among the populace. Of course the best way to maintain the status quo is to propogate fear (of other nations, change, God, etc.). This seems like a clear lesson from history class, especially history of religion, however it also seems that the only one's who grasp this concept are those corrupt individuals who seek to use it to their advantage in perpetuating the status quo.

To me it is Day's comments that are truly insightful and terrifying: in this LATE stage of our Republic it seems that no one with a chance to make a difference actually is (e.g. the Democrats). One things give me hope; in my encounters during the last year or so I've found many more people who are angry and frustrated with the current situation. This ranges from airports to parks to bars to coffeshops. I believe that in true human fashion that things are simply going to have to get worse before they get better, and in all respects things really haven't gotten bad yet. One thing is for certain, the system will perpetuate itself until the people take a stand against it.

New York had the highest rate of crime with David Dinkins & the closest Queen Koch in charge. From the "windsheild wiping crackheads" to scary crime all over the streets of NYC. It all changed when RG came into office,over his terms.
NYC is the safest big city in the country today. Say what you want .. He changed the whole city. Maybe you had to live hear to have seen the transformation before your eyes.

During 9/11 he kept everyone calm and updated. I don't listen to the people who nay say. It is easy for any bone head to be negitive. I look at and remmember the facts. He is a true leader.

This is exactly why Giuliani does NOT have the right stuff to be president. It's just more of the same garbage that George Bush has been spewing about terrorists "coming to take our freedom." This latest ad is a perfect illustration of the utterly unsophisticated way Giuliani sees the world. He is a foreign affairs simpleton just like the current president.

To Blakelely: I'm no fan of Russia or what they've stood for in the past century or so, but to discount their role in the Allied victory in WWII Europe really shows your naivety and US-bred education. Just the sort of point I was trying to make above.

It is almost a certainty that had Hitler not made the strategically poor decision to fight the war on both European fronts, the Western world would be speaking German today. Thank God he didn't take a close lesson from Napoleon.

It's disgusting to see Guiliani use 9/11 to sell his political career. Find out the truth about Guiliani from the real heroes of that day...

http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/

I cannot believe how heartless, demeaning and insulting some of you sound.

Imagine being Mayor when a disgusting act of violence like this takes place in your city. Imagine seeing your loved ones being carried away left and right...dead...and you can't stop to mourn them because you're Mayor and there are thousands of other lives to save. Imagine losing some of those closest to you, but you can't talk about it and have to remain strong in the face of grief.

How can some of you honestly think that Rudy is using these lives in vain? He lost loved ones too! Many of them! He also lost the heart of a city that he had done such an amazing job turning around. He approached a building to see people jumping from the top of a tower because they had no hope of survival. He was on the radios telling New York citizens to head North for safety...while he remained South in the rubble.

I'm sorry that the lives of firefighters had to be put at risk to save the lives of the people in that building. I"m sure if Mayor Rudy could have gone in the building himself and rescue those lives while the firefighters remained safely away from the site, then he would have done that. Wouldn't you? Do you think its easy to see firefighters risking their lives and being sacrificed? Shame on you!

Mayor Rudy has this event fresh in his mind. He was there and saw people die. He knows what hatred and violence can do to a city...to a country...to a population.

He's not using these events to be President...and this definitely wouldn't be the reason why he would get elected. Mayor Rudy would make a great President because of his remarkable ability to lead, the way in which he turned the city of New York around...starting with little things, and making massive changes, giving people hope, not taking "no" for an answer.

But maybe people aren't ready for Rudy...maybe people stopped caring about the things that Rudy cares about...such as fighting crime, keeping people safe, uniting parties and restoring hope. Maybe people want politics as usual...a Clinton/Romney race with two extremely polarizing candidates who will continue to lie to Americans and further bankrupt the country. Do you want another Bush/Kerry race, where people are forced to vote for the candidate they hate least? We can do better than this.

To Never Forget, I never disclaimed who did what on 9/11. My response is in regards to respect to the cops who were there as well! I also have a friend who worked at Cantor who was on vacation that day so I do know and feel and understand your terrible loss! But remember one loss or 2000 loses.. they are all the same loss!

Giuliani is a flake and a, phony.

Watch his wife running to shove her face into every photo opportunity.

For the Giuliani's, this whole campaign is little more than quest to impress their fellow millionaire, New York socialite jet-set pals.... it's little more than bragging rights at their next cocktail party.

Um sorry to burst your bubble Neutrino but the Russians did nothing to win the war but murder and execute millions of innocent people! It is not my Americna upbringing that gave me this opinion but cold hard historical facts! Had the US not gotten involved in WW2 Europe would be speaking German not the United States as we would have won the battle on our own shores as we did on the shores of Europe!

Great Job RUDY RUDY RUDY I will vote for RUDY he is my HERO I could see Rudy for PRESIDENT SUCK IT UP non Guiliani Voters HE WILL WIN its hard to swallow if you are not a Guliani voter "This latest ad is a perfect illustration of sophistication.

Type your comment here...I THINK BOTH BUSH AND GULLIANI SHOULD LEARN HOW TO VALUE LIFE ITSELF.THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING OVER SEAS LOSING THEIR LIVES WHILE

Pink Elephant

Take a look at the video Falcon posted and then make your comments about how Giuliani wants to keep people "safe" OR remain ignorant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Soldiers are soldiers because THEY JOINED THE SERVICE OF THEIR FREE WILL! While I respect and admire those who join and serve I do not have sympathy or pity for them. You don't join the armed services to get a free education and low mortgage rate and not expect to be in battle at some point of your service! Yes they are losing their lives but they knew that was a possibility from the day they joined. I don't advocate their deaths or this unpopular and illegal war. I am just tired of everyone feeling sorry for soldiers who are dying of their own choices. Have respect for them but not pity. They die for a cause its as simple as that.

Wasn't the heroism of what we did with our part of the war was to prevent Russia from occupying more land at the end of the war and keeping more people from soviet domination

Wide Awake...

No, you're right. Giuliani doesn't want people safe...he's trying to harm everyone on purpose. Just like the U.S. staged 9/11 and George Bush is hiding Osama bin Laden. What a load of crap.

You people make me sad. I'm not going to waste my time watching a YouTube video meant to "swiftboat" Rudy. If that means I"m ignorant, so be it.

Rudy cut murders from 2,100 a year to 600. He drove mafia out of the Fulton Fish Market. He cut taxes in a city that had never seen a tax cut. He cut spending in a city that had never seen a spending cut. He faced off against every municipal union in the city - including the police, who rioted against him. He pulled New York's economy so far out of the depths that for the first time since the 1950s, the city grew faster than the rest of the country. If people hate him because of that, then hate him. But he did what he had to do to ensure that the economy and the populations of New York could grow and flourish, and he'll do the same for the U.S.

"He is a hero to many, an icon of steadfastness in the midst of chaos. For his surprisingly subtle touch, for his very real tears, and for reluctantly taking center stage, Mayor Rudy Giuliani is TIME magazine's Person of the Year." -TIME, Dec. 31, 2001

Now we're way off topic, but the fact is that the Russian's took millions of casualties (many self-inflicted) and the German Panzer divisions took about 800,000 between Leningrad, Moscow, and Ukrainian fronts in Eastern Europe by mid-1942. Along with these casualties were very significant investments in war machinery and natural resources that were not there to meet us in France, Italy, Africa, and Northern Europe. Of course Stalin was despicable, but the fact is that his resolve to defeat the Nazis stifled the Third Reich's plans for the immense natural resources of the Soviet Union and is a key factor in the Allied victory. It is impossible to accurately predict what would have happened had the Japenese not bombed Pearl Harbor and the US had maintained its isolationist policies until the Nazis brought the war to us.

It is obvious that your intentions are well placed, but your emotions and predisposition to blind nationalism cloud your interpretation of the facts by the use of unbiased and sound logic. This lack of depth in thought among the populace will be the end of our great United States of America if it does not correct itself in the near term.

Pink Elephant...so if I get something published in TIME you'll believe it? I knew there was a trick to befuddling the masses...it must be mass media!

All your examples prove is that Rudy has a strong arm in a strong armed city. What's right for NYC is not necessarily right for the other 290 million of us that choose not to live in a city plagued by crime, profiteers, crowding, and high costs of living. It certainly doesn't mean he knows anything about the economy as a whole or foreign relations.

Whatever one's feelings about the legitimacy of equating WW II to 9/11, the deeper question I hear asked far too seldom is what precisely does Rudy Guliani's status as a lame-duck mayor with a few weeks left in office at the time of 9/11 have to do with his ability to serve as President?

Precisely what heroism did he display? Does anyone really think that New Yorkers would have all abandoned Manhattan or started reading the Koran in obeisance to their new radical Islamist masters if Rudy hadn't heroically lead them to take up arms and overcome the attempt to "take away our freedoms" (which, by the way, didn't happen; 9/11 was a one-off, not the start of some invasion stemmed by Rudy or anyone else).

The one abiding memory I have of Rudy's actual behavior at the time was his assertion that the transfer of power to Bloomberg should be delayed by temporarily and summarily extending his term of office during the crisis, an assertion that speaks volumes about Rudy's commitment to democratic principles. Fortunately, the city laughed off that power-grab, and hopefully Americans will do the same with his ridiculous run for the Presidency.

Pink Elephant--

While Rudy may want us to be safe, which he probably does, undermining our civil liberties is certainly NOT the way to go about it. And echoing the other posters, what heroism did Guiliani actually display on 9/11?

He failed on 9/11 to protect us. NYC knows this. His only hope is to scare midwesterners into voting for him. This is scary because a lot of these people seem to think 9/11 happened all over the country, not just NYC and D.C. Guiliani as president would ruin us further. Happy New Year!

1. Giulaini is a crook and a liar, and besides he looks like Nosferatu (Ghoul-iani).
2. The U.S. helped win WWII, that is all. Hitler helped quite a bit, actually, in the long run. The U.S. decided against assassinating Hilter since he did more damage to Germany's war machine being in command rather than having a very capable general such as Rommel in charge, for instance. Russia broke the German armies by drawing them further into Russia when winter was coming on. Certainly with operation Barbarosa Germany had stretched itself too thin over many fronts; their defeat was inevitable. However, if they hadn't invaded Russia but HAD invaded England, things would have turned out much differently you can rest assured. The U.S. would not have had a base, and England was a much smaller country, much less manned and equipped, much closer to home, and a lot warmer than the Russian steppes.
3. Speaking of Hitler, google "10 steps to facism" and start reading. Hitler learned from Mussolini, Stalin learned from Hitler, and the neocons learned from all three. You will see this is EXACTLY what bush had been doing, and all 10 steps have already been set in motion, which is what Giuliani WANTS TO CONTINUE. A vote for the republicans is to vote for martial law and the end of American as we know it.

4 more years of George W. Bush would be better than 1 day of Rudy Giuliani. He's the most power hungry, racist, dividing, lying, uncaring, unfaithful, meglomaniac there's ever been.

He's anti-first amendment. He'll say anything to get elected. By his actions as mayors he considers African-Americans as second class citizens. It was William Bratton and the Clinton Crime Bill that helped get crime down in New York and when Time Magazine credited Bratton with driving crime down in New York Rudy's humongous ego exploded and he forced Bratton out of the job. Three innocent armed African Americans were gunned down afterwards in NYC for no reason and the way Giuliani responded he acted like they were nothing but dogs.

Anybody considering voting for Giuliani would have followed Hitler to the four corners of the earth.

Pink Elephant, "Time" does not always choose good men to be their Man of the Year. This year they chose Putin and directly acknowledged that he's becoming another dictator. Back in 1938 they chose Hitler. I don't have the 2001 article in front of me but is there a chance there are some less than flattering quotes from it you elected not to relay?
Back in your first post, you said you were a supporter of facts. How about the fact that Rudy denied there were any harmful chemicals or bad air at Ground Zero when early responders were dropping from sickness after only a few days? Later he continued to deny it even after hundreds became ill and it was apparent there were no more survivors to be found so there was no reason to continue to risk the rescuers' health? That is the type of disregard for human life we have no need of in teh White house.

I just love this,

WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM, IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE LISTENING TO US, WE THE PEOPLE...

This is bad movie

How can any politician use 9/11 in an a propaganda add? ESPECIALLY A REPUBLICAN! My God , can you imagine what they would have done to Al Gore if he was president during 9/11? They would have impeached him as fast as they could! The nausea that bubbles up from the sewer of politics never ceases to amaze me. WAKE UP MORONS! The future of this country demands that you treat democracy with respect ,not like it was a team sport, or worse a cult. How anybody can still consider themselves a republican after the last 7 years is just amazing. What the hell are you people thinking? Or why arent you thinking? Cant you formulate your own thoughts? Or do you just suck your thumb and let Rush tell you what to think?

Dear Proud American Scott Truett, so you must be on the Rudy payroll....
If not you should do your homework, the guy is DIRTY, all caps babe....
you do know the firefighters had to sign off all their rights if any terrorist acts were committed, just before the attacks ... And such a coincident that on their agreement held a picture of the WTC....

Proud American Scott Truett, you are so un-patriotic.....

Reading all the negative comments here about Giuliani is no surprise to me. Why? This is a country that, in the name of freedom, allows and glamorizes same sex marriages, removes God from most schools, is fixated on celebrities without undies, derides veterans as baby killers and criticizes its president for seeking to contain terrorism. Giuliani can only be faulted on one front – and that is not realizing that America now is not the America then. Americans will not stand as one anymore, simply because there are too many ‘politically correct’ wimps who, even without Osama, are numerous enough to cripple America.

It will also not surprise me if Hillary becomes president. A lot of Americans love skirts. Especially one they can, er, look up to.

Come on, Americans, prove me right. Get Hillary in and ditch the one who has proven he can and has the guts to clean up NY. Everybody remembers Clinton and the creative use of cigars but no one has time nor inclination to know the tough Giuliani better. Those who died in 911 and Iraq ALL died in vain.

Forget Hillary....

Hillary is more worried about being a first woman president, than what America needs.... What America needs is a JFK, a person of integrity, a real humanitarian...

9/11 was Inside Job.

Get a clue, watch "Loose Change" on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477

Some 230 architects & engineers certify that the World Trade Center buildings were taken down with controlled demoltions: http://www.ae911truth.org/

As seen in this revealing photo the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosions:

1. Extremely rapid onset of “collapse”

2. Sounds of explosions at plane impact zone — a full second prior to collapse (heard by 118 first responders as well as by media reporters)

3. Observations of flashes (seen by numerous professionals)

4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, 40 floors below the “collapsing” building seen in all the videos

5. Mid-air pulverization of all the 90,000 tons of concrete and steel decking, filing cabinets & 1000 people – mostly to dust

6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

7. Vertical progression of full building perimeter demolition waves

8. Symmetrical collapse – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance

9. 1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint

10. Blast waves blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away

11. Lateral ejection of thousands of individual 20 - 50 ton steel beams up to 500 feet

12. Total destruction of the building down to individual structural steel elements – obliterating the steel core structure.

13. Tons of molten Metal found by FDNY under all 3 high-rises (no other possible source other than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)

14. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.

15. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

16. More than 1000 Bodies are unaccounted for — 700 tiny bone fragments found on top of nearby buildings

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

Karalla, Giuliani is not responsible for WTC. America and its naïve belief in freedom and democracy is. Democracy in itself is good, but when it is being sought after at all costs such that foreign evil elements can easily take advantage of, it becomes dangerous for America. Absolute democracy and security cannot go hand in hand. Some trade-offs must be accepted.

bofors, check out http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/stevene.jones'thermitethermateclaims
about Steven Jones and the Thermate. It may clarify.

Reading all the negative comments here about Giuliani is no surprise to me. Why? This is a country that, in the name of freedom, allows and glamorizes same sex marriages, removes God from most schools, is fixated on celebrities without undies, derides veterans as baby killers and criticizes its president for seeking to contain terrorism. Giuliani can only be faulted on one front – and that is not realizing that America now is not the America then. Americans will not stand as one anymore, simply because there are too many ‘politically correct’ wimps who, even without Osama, are numerous enough to cripple America.

It will also not surprise me if Hillary becomes president. A lot of Americans love skirts. Especially one they can, er, look up to.

Come on, Americans, prove me right. Get Hillary in and ditch the one who has proven he can and has the guts to clean up NY. Everybody remembers Clinton and the creative use of cigars but no one has time nor inclination to know the tough Giuliani better. Those who died in 911 and Iraq ALL died in vain.

Dear Pink Elephant.... You wrote This

"I'm sorry that the lives of firefighters had to be put at risk to save the lives of the people in that building. I"m sure if Mayor Rudy could have gone in the building himself and rescue those lives while the firefighters remained safely away from the site, then he would have done that. Wouldn't you? Do you think its easy to see firefighters risking their lives and being sacrificed? Shame on you!"

"He is a hero to many, an icon of steadfastness in the midst of chaos. For his surprisingly subtle touch, for his very real tears, and for reluctantly taking center stage, Mayor Rudy Giuliani is TIME magazine's Person of the Year." -TIME, Dec. 31, 2001

And yes murders were cut from being reported.... and let us not forget

Under Giuliani's administration, some of the city's widely-reported cases of police brutality included the death of Amadou Diallo, a black, unarmed man walking near his apartment who was shot 19 times by four plainclothes cops, and the Duvalier-esque beating and plunger-rape of Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant. When a 16-year-old black teenager was shot and wounded by police as he was walking home from the city's "midnight basketball" games (a program designed to keep kids out of trouble), Giuliani's public response was that the boy "should have been home at that hour".

Are you his wife aka Pink Elephant, wanting to be first lady???

Also Jacob C, I read the link you sent to bofors, you are siding with one side of the research and ignoring all the other experts that have come forward...

Beyond the mask of names and hired help, is it so difficult to have some truth? Yes people will say what ever to save their pay checks, the freedom to speak the truth is expensive, the cost of living, children, the life we never thought we would find ourselves in, how much it cost, to be free to speak the Truth...

Fred Stone you need to read two books for your own edification: The Pearl Harbor Myth and the 9/11 Commission Report. I am sure you are a Patriot as well as everybody that has posted on this blog. Rudy has a long way to go before he can put his name in the hat for President. Perhaps he should run for Governor or Congress. Then he will have some level of experience on how to get things done on a national scale.

If you are thinking of voting for Gulliani please have your head examined first. You must have lost your brain somewhere along the line.

What a pathetic bunch of cowards you all are! Just look at all these posts condemning Giuliani when what is really going on here reveals a self-hating bunch of radical pseudo-communist traitors! I am not sure that Rudy Giuliani is the best man for the job- I'll decide later in the election. However, your posts here say so much more about you than Rudy!!

The fact of the matter is that if we call radical muslims what they really are, you automatically jump up screaming "racist". Just look at the reality the modern democrat (socialist) party has become- unpatriotic traitors. America is the superior country of the world. Our governments are more respectful of the people, we give more to other nations than anyone else. In one way or another, America liberated all the communist countries all throughout the last century; except Cuba, because we had a near-communist as president in JFK.

I will say this: liberals are TRAITORS. Democrats and liberal extremists (such as the ones on this blog) are dangerous and treacherous menaces to the American culture. The more I read your posts, the more I want to see someone like Huckabee in office. I want to make sure my right to bear arms is kept sacred as I may need my weapons to defend myself from the communist, radical fecal-brained liberal idiots in America. I would not hesitate to use them in a minute if I felt I had to fight for American values. I have never met a liberal that was unquestionably proud of America. They always qualify it with "yeah, America did some good things, BUT...". As if we don't all acknowledge that America is not perfect. A country need not be perfect in order to be great. However, traitors to the mother land are despised everywhere.

Let's look at the facts regarding liberal vs. conservative presidents: Under each of the last modern presidents, the world was rid of at least one dictator (sometimes more): Reagan-fall of the Soviet Bloc, Grenada, Bush 1- Noriega gone, Saddam kicked out of Kuwait.- Bush 2, kicked Saddam's ass quite nicely.

On the other hand Carter gave us the Iranian revolution and all of his other blunders. Clinton gave us his stupid crap with Monica and even worse, Hillary.

Believe when I tell you liberals, the country you are seeking to make America is never going to fly. You are out of step with the mainstream. And you are bad for the country that many of us will not hesitate to defend fromo or in spite of you.

God Bless G.W. Bush and God Bless our God-loving America!!

Dear Alfred Laro,

I am not sure what planet you fell off of, or if you have had too many shock treatments, you do sound as though you belong to the KKK...

Thank the Gods there is only a few of ya left, Bye Bye

Let's be clear. W is a commy, on all issues from scare mongering to raising steel tariffs to disrespecting states' rights. Democrats: tax-and-spend. Republicans: small government. Commies: complete disregard for due process and basic economic principles.

John McCain and Alan Greenspan were against the second tax cut. Why? Because they knew Bush wouldn't reduce gov't spending, thus would push the US Dollar to its weakest level ever, greatly increasing the cost of living for the average American while not providing true job security (you honestly think they'll move factories BACK from China??). We expect economic idiocy from Zimbabwe, not America.

Finally, for the the first time in four elections, I'll finally get to vote for a Republican. No Bob Dole, who sold my vote by saying milk causes more health problems than does tobacco. No W, who is was and always will be an idiot commy. McCain's the best, but Giuliani/Romney/Huckabee/Thompson would still get my vote over any of the Dems.

For the past few months I have maintained a free news service to dispel the myths about Rudy.

This is a news resource that send out daily e-mails containing "all the news that's fit" pertaining to Rudy Giuliani's 2008 Presidential Campaign -

The Rudy News archives can be accessed at http://groups.google.com/group/Rudy-News-Items/topics

If you would like to 'subscribe' to this free news service - send an e-mail to amkorotkin@aol.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject box.
Arnie

Hey Rudy and all you NeoCONs! Where is Osama?

For a real American hero:

www.aLoveLetterToAmerica.com

I cannot believe how psychotic some of you sound. I could spend my entire week posting conspiracies about the Clintons and their corrupt past...and their skeletons are far worse than Rudy's...but its completely pointless. Clinton will be elected despite her skeletons...because the media is the fourth arm of Government and they will do their best to conceal it. I know that Rudy has a shaky past...everyone knows that. But so does every other politician running. I am electing Rudy because of his honesty, because of his proven leadership and positive results, because I believe that he would make a great President. I was so surprised that Rudy decided to run in the first place...he didn't intend to at first...but it was because of the millions of people out there signing petitions and hoping he would step in and fix the GOP disaster we are dealing with now. And now people are ripping him apart. If New York was so disappointed with his term as Mayor...then he wouldn't be leading the Republican polls out there by the massive percentage that he is. Its not like here in MA, where we're doing everything we can to make sure that people know the truth about Mitt Romney. Rudy performed MIRACLES in New York City...he did an incredible job...and I want to see him bring the same leadership and vision to the United States. I think Bloomberg is doing a great job as well...and I would like to see him run if Rudy doesn't win the primary. But then...we'd have psychotic posters ripping apart Bloomberg with conspiracies, discussing his past, and his base would probably fade away as well. What a shame.

Here's a typical GHOULiani campaign speech:

9/11 BOO Boo.... blah, blah blah. WTC, Terrorists, Boo boo boo..... 9/11, Boogeyman, Boo, Boo, boo

9/11, 9/11, 9/11. "BE afraid. Be very, very afraid"

Sponsored by the:
GHOULiani for King Committee
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Loveshack, NY

He's still pandering to the left on abortion and gay rights...that's why he's having such a hard time with conservative voters. Personally, I don't see how Republicans...who say they believe in small government and libertarian ideals...can say that they want a 60-year old man in the White House making those kind of decisions for the entire country. I also don't see how his views differ that drastically from the other candidates. Mitt Romney was Governor of MA when it became the first state in the country to legalize gay marriage. He also received money and endorsements from pro-abortion groups when he was running for Governor. Thomson is a Federalist and believes that individual states should vote for things like abortion and gay marriage - Giuliani believes the same thing! McCain doesn't give a crap about social issues...his main concern is foreign policy, so he's not planning to pander to the social conservative voters. I have not once seen Giuliani jump back and forth on anything...despite what the conservative voters feel about the social issues...he's been completely honest about where he stands unlike the other candidates.

The whole mistress thing is a "so what" to me. It didn't have any affect on his accomplishments while Mayor. The fact that he used money to protect them...would you rather they didn't and both got killed?

And then there was the time that Giuliani was against guns, until he realized that people outside of NY with lotsa guns could vote. What is a god-loving, patriot to do? I know! Steal lines from the most stupid president in the history of this country...uh, stammer..stammer..uh.. RESOLVE! Stammer...Stammer...uh, HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS!

I can't believe that you people haven't realized that the neoconservative, zionist-loving half-men of elitist circles are making fun of you. They think we are so stupid they can bait us with this crap.

Ummm...Rudy wasn't against guns...he just had strict sanctions against them in New York to prevent certain people capable of commmitting murders from getting their hands on those guns. He still is advocating for gun sanctions (e.g. screening mental health, criminal history, etc). As a matter of fact, he got hammered during a debate because he was for these kinds of sanctions in NY. Him and McCain were the only ones on stage who do not own guns, and he truthfully admitted that.

Geez...you sound like an idiot. Thank you for your insightfully researched commentary.

Pink Elephant: You display the same simple-minded stupidity of your political variety in that you have already accepted a position, and anyone who disagrees with you is automatically an idiot. The point I made is that the man has no integrity.

As to your remarks on my research skills:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298200,00.html

You are voting Giuliani, that is a final testament to your stupidity.

Beyond the mask of names and hired help, is it so difficult to have some truth?

Pink Elephant wants to be first lady, she is Judy.

Olbermann: Rudy Giuliani Crossed the Line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEEjX6j_f4&NR=1

Giuliani Gets Exposed As Fraud by Firefighters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Olbermann: Rudy Giuliani Crossed the Line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEEjX6j_f4&NR=1

Giuliani Gets Exposed As Fraud by Firefighters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Pink Elephant once again puts hypocritical foot in her mouth. Says she:
The whole mistress thing is a "so what" to me. It didn't have any affect on his accomplishments while Mayor. The fact that he used money to protect them...would you rather they didn't and both got killed?
Rudy used public money with out the publics knowledge. Um, thats kind of illegal dear! Don't you care about the diminishing protections the people have in your country at all? Why did it bother you so much when Bill Clinton got caught with his pants down? Seems to me the country was in it's best economical state in almost 60 years! So what makes it ok for Rudy again?
Me thinks you work for Rudy's camp. It would be typical of him to plant a mole!

Just for Mrs. Pink Elephant.....

Firefighters Union Letter on Rudy Giuliani
March 8, 2007

On March 14, 2007, the IAFF will host the first bi-partisan Presidential Forum of the 2008 election cycle. No other union and very few organizations has the credibility and respect to attract top-tier candidates from both political parties. The lineup of speakers who have agreed to participate in our Forum is truly a testament to our great union and the reputation we have built as a powerful political force and a coveted endorsement.

John Edwards, John McCain, Barack Obama, Chuck Hagel, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Duncan Hunter and seven other candidates will make their case before the 1,000 delegates who will be attending the Forum and to our entire membership via same-day broadcast on our web site.

Early on, the IAFF made a decision to invite all serious candidates from both political parties — except one: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

We made this decision after considerable soul-searching and close consultation with our two New York City affiliates, the Uniformed Firefighters Association Local 94 and the Uniformed Fire Officers Association Local 854, as well as our former Local 94 President and current IAFF 1st District Vice President covering New York.

The IAFF recognizes that Mayor Giuliani generally enjoys a favorable reputation as a result of his actions immediately after the tragedy of 9/11. As such, we want our affiliates and every one of our members to clearly understand the reason and rationale behind this very serious and sober decision.

Many people consider Rudy Giuliani "America's Mayor," and many of our members who don't yet know the real story, may also have a positive view of him. This letter is intended to make all of our members aware of the egregious acts Mayor Giuliani committed against our members, our fallen on 9/11, and our New York City union officers following that horrific day.

Rest assured, our exclusion of Mayor Giuliani is not about any particular contractual or policy issue or disagreement, nor is it based on his unfriendly relationship with our New York City affiliates prior to 9/11 — which we will document and explain in additional correspondence later on during the campaign. In fact, we invited several candidates with whom we have had substantial disagreement on policy issues because we feel very strongly that our members have the right to hear from all candidates, not just those who tow the IAFF line.

Regrettably, the situation with former Mayor Giuliani is very different. His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood — and directly on our union — that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum.

The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten.

In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point.

Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial.

Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.

In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains.

Mayor Giuliani's actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill.

Our Local presidents at the time attempted to meet with the Mayor to stop this despicable treatment of those who perished, but he refused to even see them face-to-face.

The scoop-and-dump continued. And when hundreds of family members of the fallen joined with our affiliate leadership and members to protest Giuliani's decision, he ordered senior officers of the New York Police Department to arrest 15 of our FDNY brothers, including a number of local elected IAFF leaders.

Giuliani modified his policy after the protest because public opinion was so strongly with our members. Ultimately, he was forced to put the fire fighters back on the pile. Our protests were later proven justified as more bodies were ultimately recovered and those families given a chance for some closure and a decent burial.

Giuliani argued that the change was for our own safety, but his argument was empty and without substance. Fire fighters had been on that pile since minutes after the twin towers fell — why all of a sudden, after nearly two months working on the pile, was Giuliani concerned about fire fighter safety?

In our view, he wasn't really concerned. The fact is that the Mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment.

In the first few days immediately after the disaster, Giuliani had said he was committed to the recovery of those lost "right down to the last brick." We believed him at the time. But, what he proved with his actions is that he really meant the "last gold brick."

Giuliani crucified fire fighters after our protest and publicly stated that our members were essentially acting like babies, that they didn't have the market cornered on grief. His insensitive statements demonstrated his inability to grasp what members of the FDNY were experiencing.

What Giuliani showed is a disgraceful lack of respect for the fallen and those brothers still searching for them. He exposed our members and leaders to arrest. He valued the money and gold and wanted the site cleared before he left office at the end of 2001 more than he valued the lives and memories of those lost.

Our members deserved the right to continue with a full search for their lost brothers and other innocent victims. Proudly, as you know, the fire service has a code similar to the military, where we leave no one behind. Recovering even a piece of a turnout coat or helmet gave our FDNY brothers and sisters and the families of the fallen some small semblance of peace, something to honor. But hundreds remained entombed in Ground Zero when Giuliani gave up on them.

The fundamental lack of respect that Giuliani showed our FDNY members is unforgivable - and that's why he was not invited. Our disdain for him is not about issues or a disputed contract, it is about a visceral, personal affront to the fallen, to our union and, indeed, to every one of us who has ever risked our lives by going into a burning building to save lives and property.

We have heard from some affiliates that Giuliani's campaign is beginning to reach out to our locals, looking to build support. If you are contacted by Giuliani, Von Essen, or a representative of the Giuliani campaign, we hope you will say not just, "No," but, "Hell no." And please let the IAFF Political Affairs Department know about it by calling (202) 824-1582.

Please share this correspondence with your membership. Thank you.

Fraternally and Sincerely,

Harold A. Schaitberger, General President

Vincent J. Bollon, General Secretary-Treasurer and Past President, UFOA of NYC, Local 854

Kevin Gallagher, IAFF 1st District Vice President and Past President, UFA of NYC, Local 94

Stephen Cassidy, President, UFA of NYC, Local 94

Peter Gorman, President, UFOA of NYC, Local 854
Written by IAFF

This is the most insightful article I have read yet on this topic:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/giuliani_to_run_for_president_of_9

ya so where is Rudy today folks?
LOL!!!!!

Haha who knows!!!!!!

LOL!!!