Text size +

Clinton: Elect a 'doer, not a talker'

Posted by Scott Helman, Political Reporter January 6, 2008 01:29 PM

NASHUA, N.H. -- Hillary Clinton is stepping up her assault on Barack Obama and John Edwards today, highlighting Obama's past changes in position and taking on both opponents for what she called empty rhetoric.

The Democratic primary race, she said, is about "how will we bring about change by making sure we nominate and elect a doer, not a talker?" She went on to attack Obama and Edwards on specific aspects of their records.

On Obama, she said, "If you give a speech saying we're going to vote against the Patriot Act and you don't, that's not change." Targeting Edwards, she said, "If you say that you passed the Patients Bill of Rights, but forgot to add that it never got signed into law, that's not change." Her crowd picked up the refrain and began saying with her, "that's not change."

Clinton said her capacity for change was evident "in the lives of the people who have been affected by what I've done," ticking off her record expanding health care for children and veterans.

22 comments so far...
  1. I want a President who is experienced at making the kinds of changes we need in this country. Only one candidate has that kind experience, and that is Hillary Clinton. Very few people seem to realize that great truth in this campaign.

    Why doesn't the news media ask each candidate what changes they have been successful in getting passed? They won't ask because Obama and Edwards have no record of making changes. They know the results would guarantee the election of Senator Clinton because the difference is that significant.

    They talk a good game, but they don't have a record of winning at that game. Senator Clinton, as President, would simply be put into a stronger position to continue making great changes for us.

    Posted by Sherman Cater January 6, 08 01:57 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Hillary is clearly to any smart thinking tooned in person by far the best candidate.

    Posted by Kat January 6, 08 02:27 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Hillary is clearly to any smart thinking tooned in person by far the best candidate.

    Posted by Kat January 6, 08 02:29 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Hilary Clinton is a highly experience transactional leader; she did a good job managing the Monica Lewinsky affair. But America today needs transformation; to transform America people must be inspired, hopes must be raised, expectations of a better tomorrow increased. That's why I'm voting for Barack Obama: He talks about hope, he raises our expectations, he is building a movement to transform America Robert Kennedy would have been proud of.
    David Peck

    Posted by David Peck January 6, 08 02:33 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Any change from Bush's disastrous warmongering will be welcome. Especially a change from those who enabled him in the first place, and took the eye off the ball in Afghanistan.

    Obama has stood consistently for protecting civil liberties, and stood for amendments to the PATRIOT Act, that strengthened them. Don't take my word for it,
    read his speech on the Senate floor.

    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/051215-senate_floor_st/

    Change that moves negatively with polls, is not what this country and this world needs.

    Posted by N Shah January 6, 08 02:35 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Any change from Bush's disastrous warmongering will be welcome. Especially a change from those who enabled him in the first place, and took the eye off the ball in Afghanistan.

    Obama has stood consistently for protecting civil liberties, and stood for amendments to the PATRIOT Act, that strengthened them. Don't take my word for it,
    read his speech on the Senate floor.

    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/051215-senate_floor_st/

    Change that moves negatively with polls, is not what this country and this world needs.

    Posted by N Shah January 6, 08 02:37 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. "Hillary is clearly to any smart thinking tooned in person by far the best candidate."

    What is a "tooned in" person ?

    Does that mean you have to act like an angry cartoon while desperate in debate ?

    "tooned" ? --- I guess I'm not up with all that insider beltway talk like you Clinton folks are...

    Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States.

    Posted by PulSamsara January 6, 08 02:40 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. "Hillary is clearly to any smart thinking tooned in person by far the best candidate."

    What is a "tooned in" person ?

    Does that mean you have to act like an angry cartoon while desperate in debate ?

    "tooned" ? --- I guess I'm not up with all that insider beltway talk like you Clinton folks are...

    Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States.

    Posted by PulSamsara January 6, 08 02:41 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Any change from Bush's disastrous warmongering will be welcome. Especially a change from those who enabled him in the first place, and took the eye off the ball in Afghanistan.

    Obama has stood consistently for protecting civil liberties, and stood for amendments to the PATRIOT Act, that strengthened them. Don't take my word for it,
    read his speech on the Senate floor.

    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statement_2/
    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/051215-senate_floor_st/

    Change that moves negatively with polls, is not what this country and this world needs.

    Posted by N Shah January 6, 08 02:44 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Again we come back to the experience argument. There are candidates in this election, and there HAVE BEEN candidates in this election that could have said "I've done this, this and this...I've been here longer so I've had more time to put more notches in my gun belt"

    Hillary Clinton is a polarizing figure that will NOT unite the members of the Senate, nor will she inspire the general populous in a way that will lead the "people" to elect government officials that will look past party lines to get things done in Washington.

    Let's be honest. There are a LOT of people in washington that have done good things.

    Doesn't mean I want them to be the President.

    Posted by Andre Smith January 6, 08 02:46 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. I agree with the Clinton campaign concerning the need to learn more about Obama's record, or perhaps, lack of one. This country elected a president the last time around who talked a good talk, but then led this country down the wrong path due to a lack of experience and bad judgement.

    I have heard Obama counter this claim about experience by saying that lack of experience does not mean lack of judgement. While there are exceptions, in my opinion, it is though experience and, yes, failures, that people gain knowledge and hone good judgement.

    Indeed, Obama demonstrated his lack of getting things done last night in the debate. His only claim was getting a bill passed on campaign finance. The problem was that the moderator pointed out that there were loopholes to that bill that allow lobbyists to pay for senator's meals as long as they are standing up! Obama seemed stunned by this.

    Obama is just not ready to be president. He is a good speaker, and his words inspire. It's just not enough during a time in our country when we need a person who has been in the trenches.

    Posted by Jan January 6, 08 02:51 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Hilary Clinton is a highly experienced transactional leader; But America today needs transformation. To transform America people must be inspired, hopes must be raised, expectations of a better tomorrow increased. That's why I'm voting for Barack Obama: He talks about hope, he raises our expectations, he is building a movement to transform America -- a movement Robert Kennedy would have been proud of.
    David Peck

    Posted by David Peck January 6, 08 03:03 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. I'm often struck by the combative, and often even vicious, comments left by Obama followers.....Hailing the need for a "new kind of politics," all the while using the "old way" of getting there. I wonder if Obama is as two-faced and fake as some of his groupies.....

    Posted by Andrew January 6, 08 03:07 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Its ACTIONS, Stupid!!!
    Some may well be pursuaded by the '..power..' of the words. But consistently voting 'Present' (or Absent as in the recent Iran resolution) after Iowa,NH and obviously Illinois, this guy Obama will be seen for what he is.
    A great orator perhaps, a sweet-sweet talker- but hollow!!!

    Posted by mcsummit January 6, 08 04:25 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. The media made Hillary the front runner before anybody voted in the primary. Now the media is making this nomination process “Change versus Experience”. We buy into this media game without asking ourselves what really do these candidates stand for, what have they accomplished, and where do they want to see us go.

    In my rational way of looking at things and perhaps in my reality world, this contest is about change and the agents of change.

    On the one hand, we have change, idealistic and theoretical, driven by empty words (false hope) and strong emotions but only temporary because it cannot stand the test of time. A change that will require four years on the job training to clean the mess of the current administration. A change that will take a second term in office before the agents can even begin implementing their ideas which has been lost in this discussion perhaps because they really don’t have one.

    On the other hand, we have change that can be put into effect right away. A change based on logical and rational thoughts and grounded on experience. A change that does not require on the job training. A change that can stand the test of time. A change you can feel, hear, see, smell, taste, and touch.

    President Bush was an outsider, an agent of change. He was elected 8 years ago with the help of the Supreme Court and re-elected 4 years ago. Exit polls showed that he was well liked, most people consider him to be their next door neighbor, he was the type they could hang out with, etc. With only the concept of change and no experience on foreign affairs amongst others, he surrounded himself with the best experienced advisers money can buy. What do we have today in return? A broken system: FBI/CIA abuses, Iraq war, Effects of Hurricane Katrina, Economic woes, Recession, etc.

    I know Obama and Edwards are not President Bush. I am sure they have different set of ideas and values. But I think it will be wrong to put the future of our country in the hands of someone without the first hand experience involved in the concept of change especially in today’s global dynamics of powers.

    Posted by michael January 6, 08 05:14 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. It's really disheartening to me how many suckers there are for vapid, hollow rhetoric. But that's ALL Obama is running on. He was shot to prominence by a speech--during the DNC of 2004--his "we are the UNITED states of america" speech. I read a whole lot of press coverage about how charismatic and inspiring of an orator he was, but when I finally saw a video of this speech (on youtube), I, like many others, was completely under-whelmed. I don't buy into this premise that he's this silver-tongued knight in shining armor delivering change by merely calling for it. First of all, you can't effect change just by declaring it and repeating it like a mantra. And secondly, he's not that great a speaker! He stutters all the time like he can't even put a sentence together. That was my impression from all the debates...

    Posted by Arthur January 6, 08 05:57 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Hope is a wonderful thing, but without action nothing even comes of it. A lot of people hope they win the lottery, but does that get them a winning ticket. In looking at Obama's voting record it seems he always votes the "safe" vote, if at all. Votes that he used to critize Hillary for, he either never had to make or he avoided making. The things I have wanted to change and have changed have gotten done because I did something to change them. Thinking about, hoping and talking about change is only the first step. If you do not follow through with action, nothing ever gets done.

    Posted by Carol January 6, 08 06:14 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. it seems to me that sen clinton is taking credit for experience that she does not have. she has only been a sen. for 2 yrs longer than sen obama. she is more unlikable than any other candidate. this is not just a perception. she will not unite, just divide. we have to be smarter than ever. every time something momentous happens those members of the status quo say it is too soon. Our government works so slowly and sen clinton will be more of the same while on the other hand sen obama brings people together to solve problems. this is an opportunity of a lifetime i pray we dot not squander it.

    Posted by paul January 6, 08 08:11 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. WHAT KIND OF HOPE IS OBAMA OFFERING? HE TOLD US BUT DID NOT SHOW US HOW THE HOPE WILL COME ABOUT.

    THINK AMERICANS BEFORE YOU VOTE.

    I AM VOTING FOR HILLARY BECAUSE SHE IS KNOWLEDGEABLE.

    OBAMA MIGHT BE A NICE TALKER BUT HE ONLY TALKS AND DOES NOT SHOW US HOW HE IS GOING TO MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES HE IS PROMISING. BUSH DID THAT AND LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

    Posted by DEE January 6, 08 09:20 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Since the media did not make much out of the info about Obama before, I will.

    He supported an Energy Bill in 2005 that gave tax breaks to oil companies was larded with all kinds of special interest breaks, giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary voted NO!

    Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies

    Four years ago he was for single-payer health care. Then he moved toward a rejection of that, a more incremental approach. Then he was for universal health care; then he proposed a health care plan that doesn't cover everybody.


    He said he would vote against the Patriot Act; but came to the Senate, and voted for it. He said that he would vote against funding for the Iraq war; but came to the Senate and voted for $300 billion of it.

    Let us look at Barack's accomplishments in the Community Organization in Illinois and the Illinois State Senate as well as the U.S. Senate. This info contained in articles from the Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, boston.com - Mar 2006, The Nation Jun 2006, and Politico.com - Nov 2007 However these stories only lived 10 minutes.


    He has been friends with Rezko on a social level for 10 years and was approached by Rezko re joining in a real estate venture while he was working to establish low income housing through the community group. He declined. However, when it turned out that Rezko was a slumlord in Obama's district, Obama pled ignorance.


    He has been after Hillary to release papers from her husband's administration. Yet he has ignored requests from the Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune to do the same for his time in the Illinois Senate. He now says he gave them all to his successor.


    He voted against the Bankruptcy bill in the U.S. Senate but also voted against an amendment that would have capped interest rates at 30%.


    He voted FOR the class-action "reform" bill which limited "frivolous" lawsuits which was denounced by the Democratic Party and most major civil rights and consumer groups.


    He supported Joe Lieberman's re-election over Ned Lamont (an activist and anti-war candidate). Lieberman has been his mentor since he has been in the Senate.

    Last but not least, after he was elected to the Senate, he was pretty mum on the war until until late in 2005 when John Murtha gave his press conference calling for troop withdrawal. Obama, five days later, came out calling for a drawdown in 2006 but pulled back on this when he appeared on Meet the Press in January, saying - as the neocons were - that withdrawing troops "would be irresponsible" - but then in May 2006 again reversed himself and attacked the "stay the course" policy.

    PLEASE USE MySpace/Facebook, meetup to spread the word.

    Posted by Amy Dugan January 6, 08 10:09 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Since the media did not make much out of the info about Obama before, I will.

    He supported an Energy Bill in 2005 that gave tax breaks to oil companies was larded with all kinds of special interest breaks, giveaways to the oil companies. Hillary voted NO!

    Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies

    Four years ago he was for single-payer health care. Then he moved toward a rejection of that, a more incremental approach. Then he was for universal health care; then he proposed a health care plan that doesn't cover everybody.


    He said he would vote against the Patriot Act; but came to the Senate, and voted for it. He said that he would vote against funding for the Iraq war; but came to the Senate and voted for $300 billion of it.

    Let us look at Barack's accomplishments in the Community Organization in Illinois and the Illinois State Senate as well as the U.S. Senate. This info contained in articles from the Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, boston.com - Mar 2006, The Nation Jun 2006, and Politico.com - Nov 2007 However these stories only lived 10 minutes.


    He has been friends with Rezko on a social level for 10 years and was approached by Rezko re joining in a real estate venture while he was working to establish low income housing through the community group. He declined. However, when it turned out that Rezko was a slumlord in Obama's district, Obama pled ignorance.


    He has been after Hillary to release papers from her husband's administration. Yet he has ignored requests from the Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune to do the same for his time in the Illinois Senate. He now says he gave them all to his successor.


    He voted against the Bankruptcy bill in the U.S. Senate but also voted against an amendment that would have capped interest rates at 30%.


    He voted FOR the class-action "reform" bill which limited "frivolous" lawsuits which was denounced by the Democratic Party and most major civil rights and consumer groups.


    He supported Joe Lieberman's re-election over Ned Lamont (an activist and anti-war candidate). Lieberman has been his mentor since he has been in the Senate.

    Last but not least, after he was elected to the Senate, he was pretty mum on the war until until late in 2005 when John Murtha gave his press conference calling for troop withdrawal. Obama, five days later, came out calling for a drawdown in 2006 but pulled back on this when he appeared on Meet the Press in January, saying - as the neocons were - that withdrawing troops "would be irresponsible" - but then in May 2006 again reversed himself and attacked the "stay the course" policy.

    PLEASE USE MySpace/Facebook, meetup to spread the word.

    Posted by Amy Dugan January 6, 08 10:10 PM
    Reply | Report this post
  1. Healthcare among many Americans today is almost non existent because people just can not afford to pay the high cost of health care . A person should not have to choose between paying for health care or buying groceries for their family. There is an alternative to the high costs of health care. Consumer driven health care is the way to go.

    Posted by ash January 10, 08 01:21 PM
    Reply | Report this post
add your comment
Required
Required (will not be published)

This blogger might want to review your comment before posting it.

About political intelligence Field reports from Boston Globe reporters and editors covering the 2008 presidential campaign and the national maneuvering of Bay State politicians.

Send your comments to masspolitics@globe.com

archives

browse this blog

by category
by tag