New National Polls: Obama gaining ground
Two new national polls show Barack Obama surging against Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
In a New York Times-CBS News poll, 54 percent of Democratic primary voters say they would prefer the party to nominate Barack Obama while 38 percent prefer Hillary Clinton. That is a sharp shift in Obama's favor from the previous poll in late January, when voters were split evenly, 41 percent each for Obama and Clinton.
The poll found similar swings in Obama's favor on other questions. For example, asked how they would vote if the race were between Obama and Republican John McCain, 50 percent said they would support Obama to 38 percent for McCain, while respondents were split evenly, at 46 percent each, when the choice was between McCain and Clinton. Obama gained ground within nearly every sector, the poll found.
In a new Associated Press-Ipsos poll, Obama leads Clinton by a narrow margin, 46 percent to 43 percent, whereas Clinton had had a 5-point lead among Democratic primary voters in early February. Obama achieved that swing by advancing on Clinton in several demographic sectors, including white men, liberals and middle-income earners, the AP reported.
The AP poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, and the Times poll 3 percentage points. Those margins increased to about 5 percentage points when questions were asked of Democrats or Republicans only.



Wow. The difference in media coverage has been so stark and obvious, I sometimes wonder if the Obama "fans" have had time to get their eyes and ears out of the clouds and actually do a little research on the subject. She "pesters" while he "challenges", when she is up by 200 delegates it is a "near tie and virtual dead heat", when he is up 60, it is a "blowout" and "it's over". Come on folks, even if you are blindly in love with your man, at least try to be open-minded on what has happened in this country. A media "lovefest" with Obama, an artist who paints with words, and a crucifixion of Hillary, because she is a strong, accomplished, hard-working woman with a plan. Just look back at some MSNBC tapes and you'll see the ridiculous "coverage" by our so called media. Or when she gives a foreign policy speech today having just been endorsed by some of the biggest, most experienced (there's that "e" word, again, shame) Generals (she has 27 military leaders on her side BTW)and the place is filled with media and not one of them shows this live. had Obama done the same, the media would have had the headlines "Our Commander in Cheif" splashed all over the news, papers, and Internet. If she doesn't win this on her experience and we elect another "likable" candidate who will "unite the country", I am going to move and at the least turn off the ridiculously biased media we call "journalists".
Goooo Hillary - you rock!
Wow. The difference in media coverage has been so stark and obvious, I sometimes wonder if the Obama "fans" have had time to get their eyes and ears out of the clouds and actually do a little research on the subject. She "pesters" while he "challenges", when she is up by 200 delegates it is a "near tie and virtual dead heat", when he is up 60, it is a "blowout" and "it's over". Come on folks, even if you are blindly in love with your man, at least try to be open-minded on what has happened in this country. A media "lovefest" with Obama, an artist who paints with words, and a crucifixion of Hillary, because she is a strong, accomplished, hard-working woman with a plan. Just look back at some MSNBC tapes and you'll see the ridiculous "coverage" by our so called media. Or when she gives a foreign policy speech today having just been endorsed by some of the biggest, most experienced (there's that "e" word, again, shame) Generals (she has 27 military leaders on her side BTW)and the place is filled with media and not one of them shows this live. had Obama done the same, the media would have had the headlines "Our Commander in Cheif" splashed all over the news, papers, and Internet. If she doesn't win this on her experience and we elect another "likable" candidate who will "unite the country", I am going to move and at the least turn off the ridiculously biased media we call "journalists".
Goooo Hillary - you rock!
Clinton alleges she has experience, but really a truly experienced politician would have NEVER UNDERESTIMATED an opponent, and that's what she did with Obama. On the contrary, Obama has shown the one trait one should wish the most in a president: the ability to overcome the biggest of all obstacles, with courage, to accomplish the goal of serving their nation.
Not surprising. There's a difference between fighting to win, and fighting not to lose. I think Clinton is fighting not to lose.
This poll was conducted from a sampling of only 427 from the 20th to the 24th of February, however, Clinton has made ground over the weekend following her performance in last Thursday nights debate as shown in today's Gallup poll from a much larger 1294 sampling conducted more recently from the 22nd to the 24th of February. This poll has her within 2% of Obama nationally.
Other polls disagree. Go here to get more comprehensive information
http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/polls/gallup_com-Gallup-Poll-2008-Presidential-Opinion-Polls.html
There are times as history has shown that we need to stop making the same mistakes over and over again. There is a new generation out there that needs to assume power and leadership as those of the past are no longer relevant. It is not the 80´s or 90´s anymore we need to move forward and deal with the times learning from the many mistakes of the past. We also should never repeat those mistakes as this is why we see our nation in this situation.
Sen. Obama brings change with him he doesn´t claim it he is it. He allows us to believe again in the promises we were taught in school. You Can, We can and we will are all about us and for us. Sounds simple and it is as by changing the faces alone brings change. It is our time to take this government back from those that only think about themselves or their corporate sponsors.
This is our time, this is our place, this is our country and we need Sen. Obama to join our struggle. Time is running out as we again are being fooled by those that only seek power and influence. Our nation is going towards bankruptcy in morals and financially we are not headed in the right direction. It is time for change it is time for OBAMA.
In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S. will change for the better.
The 74-year-old Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000 people at the annual Saviours' Day celebration, never outrightly endorsed Obama but spent most of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.
"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," he said. "This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
HOPE OF THE ENTIRE WORLD-- ha ha ha
Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion's founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.
FOUNDER OF BLACK MUSLIMS HAD A WHITE MOTHER AND BLACK FATHER LIKE OBAMA-
"A black man with a white mother became a savior to us," he told the crowd of mostly followers. "A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall."
Farrakhan also leveled small jabs at Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic nomination, suggesting that she represents the politics of the past and has been engaging in dirty politics.
Farrakhan's keynote address at McCormick Place, the city's convention center, wrapped up three days of events geared at unifying followers and targeting youth.
It had a different tone from a year ago, when Farrakhan made what was called his final public address at a Saviours' Day event in Detroit. The 74-year-old was recovering from complications from prostate cancer and months earlier had temporarily passed on leadership duties of the organization's day-to-day activities to an executive board.
© 2008 Associated Press.
Barack Obama has the multi-generational appeal to inspire people of all ages, shapes and shades to feel hope for ourselves and for our country. We need to acknowledge that the concept of hope provides us a powerful motivation for change. We need to have a willingness to "talk it out" instead of "duke it out". Barack Obama has the vision, ability to inspire and the leadership skills to guide us all in the same direction. To rekindle the spark of optimism that lies within us. To rouse the burned-out spirits of cynics who have witnessed the continual erosion of America’s government for the people. To challenge those who insist on saying we cannot change government so why bother. Until I really “heard” what Barack Obama was telling us, I was one of the disenchanted. For many years, our country has become more like the "Divided States of America". Our government acquired an “attitude”, an “us against them” approach that has led to more animosity from without and within our borders. Our invasion of Iraq proclaimed to the world that we are aggressive and arrogant. We have fallen even further from our once revered role as a peace-loving nation, and our national debt is staggering. Barack Obama was a candidate for the U. S. Senate in October 2002. At an anti-war rally, he risked his political career to state his opposition of invading Iraq, an unpopular view at that time. He stated that war against Iraq would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. He said that this would only serve to strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. He had the wisdom, understood foreign policy, and accurately predicted the grim outcome of the mistake that has been so costly in so many ways.
As a community organizer for a church-based group, Barack Obama worked to help residents of some of the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago. He determined that he could accomplish more for people if he had a law degree. After he earned his law degree, Obama worked as a civil rights lawyer, and served in the Illinois State Senate for six years. He won his position in the U. S. Senate in 2004. His ten years of legislative experience combined with his unique ability to secure bi-partisan solutions makes him the ideal Presidential candidate. He has integrity, verifiable experience, and comes to us with no strings attached. He does not owe anybody any favors, no “pay-back nominations” for government jobs to unqualified individuals. Barack Obama can help us move forward, to be once more the "United States of America". I believe we can do it, together. Barack Obama continues his work to support educational improvement and opportunity. Our educational system has failed, and only seventy percent of high school students earn a diploma. We need to start with young children and get behind them every step of the way. No child in America should go to school hungry, or ill, or go without health care. Many children of poor working parents return home to no supervision and empty apartments. They even possess a “name tag”; they are “latch-key children”. There isn’t much waiting for them after school; it gets no better as they age. There isn’t much in the way of hope, help and happy faces waiting to greet them. They are children of poverty, nameless, faceless children, who have no voices, and no choices. They need so much to grow into the adults of tomorrow that will be in charge of our world. Let us work together to CHANGE this picture. We need to give them hope, and help, not just crayons to draw a shining sun and bright flowers. Obama has concerns and solutions to the growing problems caused by poverty, by our failing economy, and inattention to the crumbling structures in this place we call home. Our current “deciders” in the White House have failed miserably to act for the people. The failures began long before GWB took over. The large corporations profited immensely from outsourcing, and manufacturing became a foreign affair. We no longer have the option of selecting goods that bear the reassuring familiar tags that proudly state, “Made in the USA”.
Terrorist attacks around the world were on the increase during the Clinton years of 1992 – 2000. The bitter fact is that Osama bin Laden was the main suspect, and his Al Qaeda group of terrorists gained in strength and boldness. There is much speculation on the “if only’” and “whys” of how he managed to evade capture. The Bush Administration has not been able to avoid their share of blame after the attacks of 9/11. Americans, whether at home or abroad, can no longer escape the horrific acts of violence against innocent men, women and children. Some say that America is responsible for the death of innocent civilians in Iraq, acts of violence. Other Americans will claim that America was acting “in the name of democracy” and therefore these deaths are just unfortunate casualties of war.
Our country has acquired many enemies among nations that once regarded us as allies. Now, it seems that we have to pay our “allies” to join our war efforts , in non-combatant roles of course. The idea was to present a show of solidarity, a united front in support of G. W. Bush and his “War on Terror.” Then, to make it appear that we are bringing peace among the different sects in Iraq, we pay some of these “friendly combatants” in a country that we invaded to “not shoot” us.
I voted for Barack Obama because I feel that there is "an urgency of now", and I want to believe that there is more to life than just “getting by”. Life is precious; we do not need to send any more of our people off to fight senseless “no win” wars. There is a stark warning left by John F. Kennedy, who said, “Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind”. We can't change the past, and should not forget it, but let's look toward the future. Don't you think it's about time we had a say in what goes on in White House? Go for it. For those you who are cynical, try listening to the words that “we” are hearing, and feel the concern, the love of country, and the passion for change that Barack Obama is offering us. He is asking us to feel “hope” instead of “hopeless”. I'm just not ready to give up yet. BTW: I'm white, if that matters, (it shouldn't) female, if that matters, (it shouldn't) and I'm seventy-one. (That only matters to me, as time flies now.) I’m just not ready to sit back in my rocking chair and wait for the end. I want to banish my anxiety about the covert behavior of our government. Too many secrets and claims of immunity in the search for truth, it’s a parody of justice. I want to CHANGE the way our government operates, I want to be part of that approval group that votes “no” on bridges to nowhere. We have work to do, to CHANGE this country into a government by the people. I want transparency (that’s a CHANGE) in government, and spending where it is most needed, not directed by powerful lobbyist pressure. Yes, it will take determination, there is much work to accomplish, but, yes, we can CHANGE this country into a government by the people. There it is again, that word has gotten so popular, “CHANGE”.
OK. Yes We Can I want to view the ceremony next January of the inauguration of our next President of the United States, Barack Obama. Yes We Can
Barack Obama has provided his detailed solutions to the issues facing our country, you will find the truth on his views at his website: barackobama.com, under “issues”.
No Way! I'd much rather have Senator Clinton as President. While Obama may not have any baggage, he doesn't have the knowledge gained researching and following changes in the Health Insurance & Care for 16 years, or the experience of traveling the world for 8 years as First Lady, nor does he have the clout or allies needed to get legislation passed. I say, vive la Senator Clintion..
This incredible new voter starts with just one issue (Healthcare) but ends up explaining the Obama movement better than all the pundits.
Please listen to both of these videos (first one first).
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/video-interviewer-picks-the-wrong-obama-supporter-to-try-to-railroad/
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/video-obama-supporter-derrick-responds-to-his-video/
We are sooooooooo happy! Obama is the best candidate. He is the one! Hillary is desperate, so very soon she will be crying again. She is either aggressive or she cries. Can we afford to have that kind of president in America? Please if you guys love this country, make sure she's not the nominee. And guess what? If Hillary is the nominee, then I prefer McCain, period!
Thank you!
Nice job Smith. You used the NYT and AP polls. Hmmm these organizations can't stand republicans. The USA Today and Rasmeussen polls have Mccain leading by three points and one point respectively. Not to mention your a Boston paper, HMmm. You bias is obvious and I hope you suck it in november when Maverick destroys the Obamamessiah.
We are very pleased to read this as we have been losing our grip on Hillarymania here at our place as Sammie has been documenting H.'s fits of temper and jay whitlow is having Sammie analyze these fits as regards to times of the month but then isn't she past that asks whitlow but Sammie says it never really is over so then we are all voting for O.
Obama is calm and relaxed. Hilliary is a menopausal old biddy
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I still don't understand why anyone thinks Hillary can run the country when she can't even run a campaign.
What she calls "years of experience" I call "years of trying to improve healthcare without any success."
Oh, and prancing around on stage mocking her opponent -- very presidential.
Quite blaming Obama, the media, the phase of the moon -- Hillary blew it and she has nobody but herself to blame.
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It is interesting watching my parents watch the Ohio debate. My Republican mother (who voted for all Bushes) is presently an enthusiastic Obama fan. She likes his health care plan (and desperately needs affordable, good coverage) and was very impressed when she heard Michelle Obama speak on TV days ago (don't know what the magic words were, but they worked). My stick-in-the-mud Republican father (Southern Baptist minister) has said he thinks Obama is a great man and he wouldn't mind him being president (he supports McCain, at the moment, but I have hope). Both my parents seem to think Hillary is an evil villain, and I'm starting to think she's in it more for her own glory than for the good of all of us American citizens. Obama, your supporters are growing in number every day. Good luck!
Clinton has traveled the world as first lady for 8 years? Great! Does that mean we should elect Socks (the cat) for the same experience? All I remember from Hillary in the Clinton years was her top-down, out-of-control health plan that was famous for being even more silly than Bill's attempt to out gays in the military (I'm all for gays, but that was a tactical mistake..)
Hillary has indeed run to lose and he speeches are so desperate, so mean and so hopeless ("I know what tough is..." -- oh you do? why did you stay married to Bill all those years while he cheated on you? Not because you were tough, but desperate for political power on HIS coattails; see how popular he is now? Bet you wished you got a divorce) /end rant
Anyway -- I LOVE Obama's rhetoric and centralism. We need someone who wants to lead, not put people down. I'm one of those voters who'd rather elect McCain than Clinton, she looks so bad.
Oh -- on the Farrakhan comment -- Change Mohammed to Jesus and then decide who you support. Not all muslims are terrorists (Obama is also Christian, remember) -- and not all republicans are IDIOTS like Bush.
Obama appears to be a nice guy with his heart in the right place. However, I do not understand why is not confronted with the following question: How are you going to finance your promises?
The US is in the worst financial crisis in modern times and he proposes a host of initiatives that will increase government spending?! That makes no sense. Is this going to be financed by raising taxes? By how much? I think it is critical to balance the budget before considering increased entitlements.
(Btw this is an issue with Clinton and McCain as well!)
As a Canadian I can't help thinking the positive message America would send the world with the election of a black president. Many of the other western democracys including Canada ,Britain and Israel have had female leaders but the USA could lead the way here....................
Sunny Florida's comments make me laugh, while I am not for Obama or Clinton, I do find it funny that as far as the media taking Clinton's side, leading up to the primary's I didn't realize anyone but Clinton had a chance. The media picked Rudy vs Clinton....funny how when she falls on her face Clinton supporters are so quick to blame the media, isn't the Clinton campaign the same group who made an "alliance" with the drudge report, and are now pissed off about being burned?
Clinton did this to her self, yes she has a ton of the "E" word, but as far as I am concerned, the more experience you have, the more corrupt you become. Filthy politicians in a flawed system, perhaps Clinton should go run for dictator of Cuba?
Ummm.....actually, if you go to an unbiased poll, unlike CNN or MSNBC, or the other Obama backers, you'll see that Hillary is leading in Ohio, Vermont, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. She will take enough of Texas to win the nomination along with these other states. I'm from Ohio, and I see a lot of support for Clinton from all races, genders, ages, and economic backgrounds. Sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear, but she will definitely take the great state of Ohio! Thank God, my state has not lost their senses like many others!
Hillary is vile.
". There is a new generation out there that needs to assume power and leadership as those of the past are no longer relevant. " - JIM ROWE
I agree with everything you say except for this. I think you miss the point that Obama is trying to make. It is not about getting rid of everyone who ever came before, it's about getting everyone to the same table, listening to everyone's concerns and working out something we can all live with. Everyone needs to stay at the table and everyone needs to be flexible in order for change to occur.
I don't like certain previous politicians either, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to their opinion and just as much say as any other American.
Sometimes I don't understand why people do not notice this.
Both Bushes have had a war. The president after the First was Clinton, who was the Voice of change. He was inexperienced and he did a hell of a Job until the Lewinsky scandal derailed his course.
Senator Clinton trying to throw of Obama's momentum citing his inexperience... she might as well be slamming her husband into the ground.
Secondly in her speech comparing obama to Bush, "fool me once, shame one me, fool me twice shame one you" The person that comment should have been directed to was George W. Simply on the merit that he got elected into office twice. It's already shame on alot of american people that supported him while he eroded republican hope.
She has her attacks, but I don't know why no one else sees the tongue in cheek statements she makes.
In a system as broken as America's, the only thing that really matters is CHANGE. Whether it's "good" or "bad" for the country in the short term is irrelevant. It is more import that we start mixing things up, try new approaches and get comfortable living in a dynamic society. Once we take that step, things will evolve naturally.
Contrary to the beliefs of many Republicans, the United States is not a static island unto itself; It is part of a global society that is changing at a breathtaking pace. The surest way to bring about the fall of America is to crystallize our thinking, to stumble into the trap of believing that yesterday's "tried-and-true" ideas are still relevant. They aren't. The truth is that they just haven't been getting in the way--until now.
The question is not whether we want to continue on as we have done in the past or risk trying something new; it is much more subtle and urgent. We need to be asking how to best adapt to our new circumstances--period. Evolution is not an option, it is a requirement for survival.
With the country's international image in shambles, its education system crippled, its healthcare system a joke and its economy crashing down, the people of America need to wake up and do something before it's too late.
We need to elect Obama.
We need to elect him not because he'll do a good job necessarily, but because he stands, above all else, for CHANGE. Obama has done far more for this country that most politicians in recent memory (gasp): he has stimulated people to imagine an America that doesn't exist, but COULD.
This is the absolute most important step in creating a successful, prosperous America. Only by making adaptation and CHANGE the status quo can we possibly hope to survive as a united country in the future. Old ideas will simply not work! We live in a radically different world than our forebearers, even the most recent generation of them. Applying their thinking is taking the easy way out--and it will destroy us.
Hillary's senate record demonstrates that she is not really interested in creating change. Sure, she has done a great job LOOKING as though she stands for change, but it's just a vehicle for gathering support from the weak-minded and winning political power. All the while, she is covering her butt, avoiding situations which might require her to make tough decisions or commit to something.
Seriously--take a look at the titles of the bills that Clinton introduced. Now looks at similar ones from Obama. They might appear equivalent, but there is an important difference every time: Hillary's risk nothing. She stands for the kind of change that is easy. When the going gets tough, like with her much-lauded healthcare plan in the Senate, progress grinds to a halt.
Obama's plans are realistic and sometimes confrontational. He introduces ideas that might piss some people off. But the idealogical dead-lock that had crippled America makes one thing obvious: for every move, every change, there will be resistance. There will be very loud voices with lots of money behind them calling for and end to the curse of "destabilization". But the only other option is total destruction. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
So will Obama make a better president than Hillary? Not necessarily. I would give her better odds, almost. But that's because a "good" President has come to be known as one that doesn't stick his fingers where they don't belong, and keeps everything nice and static.
But beggars can't be choosers, and America is falling. It may not be comfortable, or lucrative, but we NEED to save ourselves.
We NEED Obama '08, because he is the only candidate who can offer us MEANINGFUL CHANGE.
MEANINGFUL change.
Fred W,
Hasn't Obama said that putting the reins on our troops in Iraq more than Clinton or McCain would do would free up a bunch of money that the others' plans wouldn't have access to?
If I am wrong and his campaign didn't say that, isn't that still an obvious source of funds?
Everyone I talk to in my hometown (Dems and Republicans hoping for Obama) are saying the same thing. "If Hillary is the nominee, they are voting for McCain."
No one trusts McCain with our military, but too, no one can stand to think of Hillary re-entering the White House with her husband. (Remember, years ago, Slick Willy was even accused of rape, the lessor of many other charges.) Here's one list:
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pol/560765576.html
We don't NEED this "bathroom baggage" in the WhiteHouse. We need someone who our children can look up to, respect, and be proud of. Clinton's had their chance, and they blew it. They failed us (and each other) miserably!!!
We need to start with a fresh, clean slate, and once and for all, send the Clinton's home, where they can laugh about how she "almost" fooled the American Public.
What she didn't count on was a THINKING AMERICA! She put us all off as stupid low-life's who can't read.
As she said in a speech recently "I might begin to think of the person cleaning a public restroom as a human." There ya' go.
No No Hillary!
Go Go Obama! ~ Obama '08 ...
A MAN WE CAN ALL RESPECT AND BE PROUD TO CALL MR. PRESIDENT!!!!
The world is waiting, and America is hopeful !
I want to know Obama's plan to end the illegals coming into our country and
using our benefits and our money and taking our jobs.
Also just WHAT would he do about the National Debt that everyone seems to be
avoiding discussing.
That's funny, I hear the same thing from people hoping for Clinton. If Obama gets the nomination they are voting for McCain. Thinking America knows what is going on, it's the non-thinking Obamanites that are the problem. The cadidates are professional politicians that tell the crowds in front of them what they want to hear. All you have to do is watch the videos of their speeches to see that. Look at the demographics of the audiance and listen to what they say. Hell, when Obama talked in front of the crowds in South Carolina, North Carolina, & Misissippi he even went so far as to sound like a sourthern black minister preaching fire & brimstone like his mentor Rev. Wright. Neither of these candidates are the "Savior" of America. Once again we have to choose the lessor of two evils. The one that will do the best job in the washington enviroment will be the one that can lie and play the game the best. By Obama's own admission that will be Clinton. The game is never going to change. Obama cant change it, he is to busy playing it.
Meaningful Change?
His health care plan will put us in Meaningfull Debt. As will most of his Meaningfull Change. Check it out at Factcheck.org and see for yourself.
As i flip through the channels i notice the media mainly (FOX NEWS) is doing all it can to tarnish the reputation of the soon to be president obama. Why does the media have to stir up controversy that in my opinion has nothing to do with the morals or everyday values of obama? What has this world surome to? seriously if you think obama isnt qualified you are missenformed, i don't think he would have won twice as many states as his " arch enemies mccain & clinton" if that was the case.
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