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Proud Michelle vs. Proud Cindy

Posted by Sasha Issenberg February 19, 2008 08:48 PM

MILWAUKEE -- Michelle Obama made two separate remarks in Wisconsin on Monday declaring a new pride she has felt in her country -- comments that today came under oblique attack from another would-be first lady, Cindy McCain.

At a midday event on Monday in Milwaukee, Obama said, "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."

A few hours later in Madison, she made a similar point, although with some adjustments to her language:

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country -- not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment."

Press reports, including on this blog, initially confused the two events. Fox News has video clips from the two speeches viewable alongside one another here.

At a morning rally in a Milwaukee suburb where she introduced her husband, McCain appeared to respond to Obama, saying “I am proud of my country. I don’t know about you. If you heard those words earlier -- I am very proud of my country.”

When asked if by reporters afterwards if the comment should be interpreted as an answer to Obama, John McCain dodged the issue. Cindy, however, made the point again, with insignificant changes in language. "I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country," she said.

40 comments so far...
  1. Baby Doc Bush, the pretender in chief has done much to make us ashamed of America during the past seven years. I agree with Michele, there is a chance for change, a chance for both Hope and Pride in America again

    Posted by Fred Dodsworth February 19, 08 09:38 PM
  1. The McCains are a bit touchy, I think they have been living is a glass house too long. The Rebulican party is giving us a Bush clone and as a registered Repulican I can not vote for McCain even though I live in Arizona. McCain will spend trillions to stay in Iraq for another 100 years, I say send his old sorry butt over there to die for OIL. We need a new direction and the McCains are more of the same stuff we have seen for eight sorry years. OIL is not worth American lives, and Bush has proven he is not willing to make change for the better. We do have lower taxes but our DEBT will be the end of us and our children. McCain is offering more DEBT and has no plan to balance the budget. The FATCAT Republicans need a good budget lesson.

    Posted by Phillip Day February 19, 08 09:44 PM
  1. This is not an attack by Proud Cindy. Look at Cindy and Look at Michelle - very different looking people feel very different in the "LOOK obsessed" nation called America! I'm sure Cindy has always felt different but since that is changing, I wish she could have recognized the great change of inclusivity this nation is experiencing but if she missed the value of that grand shift, no surprise to the "different looking" folk who are ready for CHANGE!!! Miss blond bomb-shell basically publicly said "I don't get it" and the rest of the different looking folk can respond with "you don't need to get it, just roll with it!"

    Posted by Marta S February 19, 08 09:54 PM
  1. Michelle Obama's words are pure narcissism and a sorry excuse for a would-be first lady.

    Posted by Proud To Be An American February 19, 08 10:06 PM
  1. Can you please get the quote right? Why does this paper always leave out the "really"?

    She's really proud of her countrymen because they're voting for Obama, when no-one last year thought they would. Everyone was too cynical about his chances.

    This is the problem with speaking without notes. She loses track of what she is saying, and this comes out. (Watch the video)

    Posted by Harvey Freedman February 19, 08 11:16 PM
  1. Perhaps Mr. Dodsworth would be proud of his country if he lived in Cuba or North Korea or Venezuela.

    Feel free to move anytime. Can't afford the airfare. . . I'd be glad to chip in on a one way ticket.

    In the meantime, I was, am, and will forever be proud of the USA.

    Posted by Bill Metz February 19, 08 11:26 PM
  1. My Scots- Irish people came to the Colonies in the 1600s to get away from brutal conflicts with Irish Catholics. We founded AMERICA- HOME OF THE BRAVE AND LAND OF THE FREE - A PROTESTANT COUNTRY. We fought, sacrificed and died for our cherished Constitutional freedoms! During a significant Revolutionary War battle, the battle at Kings Mountain, my (5-greats) grandfather and a free African American by the name of Essius Bowman both claim to have fired two of the shots that killed Maj. Ferguson, who was leading the British Loyalist. There were no Irish Catholics, no Italians, no Jews, no Cubans, etc. fighting in the Revolutionary War.

    During Ireland's potato famine, the British asserted, "These potato people have no morals, we don't know what to do with them." I don't know why we allowed them to follow us to America.


    My point, those insidious ingrates criticizing Michelle Obama should remember, you came to her country. If you are too fragile for our cherished First Amendment, please find another country

    Many patriotic Americans are profoundly embarrassed by the egregious policies of this administration that have diminished our credibility and security. America deserves better. America deserves Barack Obama for President and Michelle Obama for our First Lady! They will restore what Bush has destroyed! They will make us so PROUD of our country. They will restore pride in America!

    Chagrined,

    Posted by M , Delphia Block February 19, 08 11:45 PM
  1. I am alternately ashamed, embarrassed, humiliated and seriously nauseated when I even hear the words "George W. Bush" spoken in the same paragraph with the title "President of the United States." The Bush years are a pure history of catastrophically bad policy choices and blindingly incompetent administration. I look forward to our ridding ourselves of Bush/Cheney et.al. and electing a President we can be proud of as well as renewing our pride in America.

    Posted by Rand Elison February 19, 08 11:56 PM
  1. What does "Proud to be an American," have to be proud of? Only a fool would be proud of the legacy Bush has left us. How can someone be "proud" of a birthright that was accidental? This person would have been proud of Nigeria, Venezuela, Rwanda, or Burma if he/she had been born there. It means nothing.
    And I'm an old white male!

    Posted by JCD February 20, 08 12:00 AM
  1. "My country, right or wrong!" "I'm proud of my country, even when it tortures people!" "I've never been ashamed of myself, no matter HOW heinous my actions have been - and I'll tell you why: MY abortion is the ONLY moral abortion!!"

    Yeah, that's a Republican for you.

    Posted by stupid people rule the world February 20, 08 12:05 AM
  1. So much criticism over the most minor things about the Obamas. I am sure Michelle did NOT mean she has not been proud of our country and was only trying to convey how really proud she is now. It's easy to jump to conclusions. I love my country and I am very proud of it (I am prior military); somehow Mr. Obama has inspired a revitilized and new sense of pride of who we are and what our country stands for and how we can go in a different direction to make it even better. I believe that's what Michelle was trying to relate. While I realize there are people out there who think they are the epotimy of perfection, none of us is perfect, so why do we expect absolute perfection in others? Let's stop knitpicking and get on with our lives to be the best we can be and do the best we can do.

    Posted by NinaK February 20, 08 12:08 AM
  1. GIVE MICHELLE A BREAK....AND MAYBE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT...THE BOTTOM LINE IS SHE IS RIGHT...

    Posted by patty merrill February 20, 08 12:10 AM
  1. The McCains have always been proud of our Nation and have served it loyally and well. Osama Hussein and the Michelle from hell on the other hand.....

    Posted by Matt Stone February 20, 08 12:10 AM
  1. "It feels like hope is finally making a comeback, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country". Now what is so offensive about a possible First Lady stating that she is proud of the new direction the United States may be heading?
    For many of us baby boomers, we have not experienced this type of hope and excitment since JFK. We have to get away from the failed leadership of Bill Clinton and George Bush, which Hillary and John represent. We can fix our probelms here at home and promote WORLD PEACE for everybody if we all work together and say YES WE CAN! Lets stop the lying, cheating, killing of our fellow man.

    Posted by Gordon Andrew Rigsby February 20, 08 12:11 AM
  1. "It feels like hope is finally making a comeback, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country". Now what is so offensive about a possible First Lady stating that she is proud of the new direction the United States may be heading?
    For many of us baby boomers, we have not experienced this type of hope and excitment since JFK. We have to get away from the failed leadership of Bill Clinton and George Bush, which Hillary and John represent. We can fix our probelms here at home and promote WORLD PEACE for everybody if we all work together and say YES WE CAN! Lets stop the lying, cheating, killing of our fellow man.

    Posted by Gordon Andrew Rigsby February 20, 08 12:12 AM
  1. Let's see, this administration has had how many blacks as department heads? Where have you been Marta; where has Michelle been? Smoking and inhaling?
    Democrats have a long history of being on the wrong side of history, ever since the Civil War and their Copperhead sympathies (look it up, if you have forgotten your American History). Yes, the Iraq war has not been managed well past the initial stage until the surge; but neither was the Civil War well managed until Grant was put in charge, and then only at terrible cost of life (would you say that the end of slavery was not worth the cost of those lives?). It is too early to tell what will happen in Iraq, Afganistan, and the overall war on islamo-fascism, but if the Democrats win, and carry out their Copperhead defeatist plans, then the consequences will likely rival the tragedy of the Killing Fields of Cambodia that were precipitated by the pullout from Vietnam that was inspired by the leftist press and the leftist/liberal wing of the Democrat party.
    THAT would be something to be ashamed about!

    Posted by Roger Kimber February 20, 08 12:16 AM
  1. I like CHANGE, CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE, Change is my fovorite thing. But when you add CHANGE with HOPE, oh my God. The only thing better than CHANGE is the HOPE of CHANGE.

    Do any of you actual understand Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.'s policies, his record????? Take a look at the nearly 1 Trillion dollar bill he co authored to spend ending "world poverty". Would you be willing to give 1 of every 2 dollars you earned to someone in another country? If so vote for BHO.

    Posted by Trevor N February 20, 08 12:17 AM
  1. This is a story?

    Posted by overkill February 20, 08 12:24 AM
  1. I'm surprised Cindy was able to construct the sentence and speak without an audible slur. I think Cindy may be stealing drugs from the poor orphans again (look it up). Michelle Obama is having every word she speaks put under a microscope. How horrible, she finally misspoke about something...how dare she. Tell you what, how about we change politics as usual, and forgive them both. I'll forgive Cindy for stealing drugs from the orphans to feed her addiction in the 90's, The flag wavers can forgive Michelle for not property articulating that she is proud that America is excited about political change for the first time since Bobby Kennedy.

    Posted by Raging Independent February 20, 08 12:34 AM
  1. This was an unfortunate comment. It won't hurt her with Democrats, but it will be deadly amunition for the Republicans this fall.

    Posted by Neil Elvick February 20, 08 12:35 AM
  1. I dunno - she articulated *exactly* how I feel. A certain lack of enthusiasm for invasion, war, paranoia, and ruthless neglect has left me feeling indifferent about the country I live in.

    This country has done a great many shameful things in the last 7 years, and I hope to God we get a chance to apologize to the people we've ruthlessly pummeled. Including our own citizens.

    I look forward to an Obama presidency - he's far more authentic than most Democrat party hacks that get shoved into the race every four years. Anyone who talks about a positive future, and repairing our place in the world, gets my nod.

    Posted by Jim February 20, 08 12:45 AM
  1. Mrs. Obama was never proud of our country before, which sent her and her husband to the best school in the world. Mrs. Obama was never proud of our country before, which gave her husband the opportunity to be the Senator from IL. Yet she was never proud until her husband wants to be the president of the most powerful leader in the western world. How power greedy can this couple be.

    Posted by Jerry Chui February 20, 08 01:02 AM
  1. It's not that this little piece of misspeak was a big deal, it's that the Obama fanatics, in trying to defend it, are now ashamed of their country. That's exactly what's wrong with this cult of personality. And what they should be ashamed of is themselves.

    Posted by Cerebral_but_dull February 20, 08 01:09 AM
  1. Michelle Obama is probably as UNAMERICAN as her husband Obama Hussian. I'm with Mrs. McCain. I love my country and wouldn't want to live anywhere but here. Anyone feeling otherwise should move to the Middle East. I wonder if the people that are pulling for Obama or Osama know that he doesn't have any respect for the American flag and he makes my skin crawl when I see photos of him slouching while others are saluting the flag. He probably doesn't believe in God either. Frankly, this guy he freaks me out!

    Posted by Dena C. February 20, 08 01:11 AM
  1. I don't like bashing and people should talk have respect for ANY president who is elected. After all, they are the face the UNITED states until we elect the next one. Let's face it, there is not one house representative or senator who does not have to deal with the things we deal with every day, simply because they have money and connections. They are not subject to social security contributions and its laws, but get a tidy pension. They have free health insurance and great coverage for life. What I would like to see is for one of them to live with incomes under $50,000 a year like I see my tax clients existing on. And when they say they are working, all they are doing is arguing with each other because of their party differences. Whoever is elected, from either party, NOTHING will change. Washington will always be Washington. When the dems took over the house and senate, nothing changed, and remember, the president is only one person. The house and senate are the LAWMAKERS. The president is the executive branch, get it he executes, which means carry out the law after it is passed.

    Posted by Marlene Dunn Till February 20, 08 01:36 AM
  1. I am completelly agree with the first three respondents. Glass house? may be, if not worse. Another hundred years in Iraq? how they even can consider such "politician" as potencial president? America is already loosing respect of respectful countries, and Cindy is proud of it? Michelle is "really" (don't omit this word) proud of American people who want to restore the pride and respect, and ,as Obama says: "through this we will change the world". We, American PEOPLE... And THIS is a change.
    Don't try to squeeze something out of Michelle's words in another dirty attempt to hurt Barack.

    Posted by Vlad February 20, 08 02:58 AM
  1. I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS. WHEN MICHELLE OBAMA SPOKE ABOUT BEING PROUD OF HER COUNTRY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER ADULT LIFE-----THE WORDS SHOCKED ME FOR A MINUTE. ( I' M SURE SHE WISHES SHE COULD HAVE SAID THEM ANOTHER WAY). TO ME SHE SEEMED SO FILLED WITH HAPPY EXCITEMENT AND SO PROUD OF HER HUSBAND AND HOW GREAT EVERYTHING WAS GOING FOR HIM AFTER ALL THEIR HARD WORK. AMERICA HAD PROBABLY NEVER FILLED HER WITH PRIDE SO COMPLETELY AS IT DID AT THAT MOMENT. I'M A TOTAL REPUBLICAN WHO'S HAVING TROUBLE VOTING (SINCE ROMNEY LEFT). I CAN'T STAND THE THOUGHT OF THE CLINTONS IN THE WHITEHOUSE AGAIN. THEY AREN'T LIKEABLE OR REAL OR HONEST. MCCAIN WOULD BE GOOD. BUT TOO OLD MAYBE. EXCEPT FOR OBAMA BEING WAY TOO LIBERAL, HE AND MICHELLE ARE NICE, THEY ARE REAL AND THEY KNOW HOW TO INSPIRE. LET'S JUST NOT HAVE THE CLINTONS! ! !

    Posted by sandra Wilcox February 20, 08 03:23 AM
  1. Michelle Obama needs to explain her remark in detail. The remark should not be tolerated from a potential First Lady. You live in America. If there is something you don't like you work to CHANGE IT. That is why many people run for the Presidency. Obviously they want to change something. So I don't believe her statement is just about being proud to be an American because she and her husband are looking to make a change and the voting public seems to be giving them that opportunity. So is Clinton and McCain. The statement lends itself to being racist , especially since she said it with a raised closed fist. The statement certainl would not be tolerated from a white candidate. AND I AM NOT A RACIST.

    Posted by Looking for Fairness From All February 20, 08 07:51 AM
  1. And Cindy has probably never had trouble hailing a cab in America,either.

    Posted by Robert Campbell February 20, 08 11:58 AM
  1. The complete quote puts everything in the right context: “Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am REALLY proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change.” No apologies, no explanations are necessary and there is REALLY no need to demand them. Mrs. McCain (She is a millionaire. Right? I begrudge her nothing) has the right to express her pride. Others have felt pain in this same country and there are many who do not feel so proud, especially today. Ask the widows whose husbands have died in Iraq. What about those Americans whose loved ones will not be coming home because of a flawed Iraq policy? Are we really proud of Abu Ghraib? Really proud of Guantanamo? These few on the political right who for years have shown intolerance and lack of flexibility -- You are with us or against us -- are the same ones who have now propelled the Republican Party into the chaos in which it is quagmired. The same who are now nit-picking and scrutinizing every word that comes out of Obama's mouth. Need I say more? The Republican Party will lose the White House, and both houses come November. So, let us face it, the SWIFT-BOATING has already started, but I am REALLY happy and proud of Americans THESE DAYS, because they have their eyes wide open and can see through this kind of nonsense.

    Posted by John Paul Telhomme February 20, 08 01:35 PM
  1. bout time media picked up on her fupa, considering the slaming they always do to bill and hillary.
    Whatever she meant to say or for us to understand a first lady in office, is scary with her attitude......There are so many things to be very proud of not just this current election

    Posted by D February 20, 08 02:51 PM
  1. Now, let's review a few of the more memorable quotes from previous posts.

    "Baby Doc Bush"

    "I say send his old sorry butt over there to die for OIL. "

    "Miss blond bomb-shell basically publicly said "I don't get it" "

    "pure narcissism and a sorry excuse "

    "Why does this paper always leave out the "really"?" - Because SHE didn't say it the first take.

    "My point, those insidious ingrates criticizing Michelle Obama should remember, you came to her country. " Uh huh.

    "I am alternately ashamed, embarrassed, humiliated and seriously nauseated when I even hear the words "George W. Bush" spoken in the same paragraph with the title "President of the United States."

    "Only a fool would be proud of the legacy Bush has left us."

    "I'm surprised Cindy was able to construct the sentence and speak without an audible slur. "


    I could go on, but lastly, I'd like to say that I am really proud of my country, but really ashamed at some of its citizens, if this is the best they can do in the name of civil discourse.

    Posted by Free to speak with dignity and civility February 20, 08 02:52 PM
  1. I am so proud of the way our country handled the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina!

    Posted by NCC February 20, 08 03:59 PM
  1. Can you imagine Jackie Kennedy making a gaffe like this? Michelle Obama is a Princeton- and Harvard-educated elite, and a professional communicator. I think we have to take her comments at face value. There is a constituency for her kind of thinking, but only time will tell whether, among U.S. citizen voters, her constituency outnumbers sentimentally patriotic Americans. http://comparingobama2jfk.blogspot.com

    Posted by Bartman February 20, 08 08:11 PM
  1. As an Asian American I can truly say that I was filled with pride for my country...until at the age of eight learned about the internment of 120,000 Japanese-Americans (62% of whom were American citizens) during World War II. Many would argue that they were given an apology in 1988 and 1992. But it was the first of many historical facts to shock my moral beliefs in my country. Over the years I have been both proud and humiliated by the actions of our country and my countrymen. While I know "We shall overcome some day..." That day has not yet arrived. Until then I will continue to see both the glory and hope and the pain and suffering of those for whom the American Dream is just that--a dream.

    Posted by Victor February 21, 08 12:09 AM
  1. Just wanted to respond to comment # 16. Roger, you simply re-affirm my point about how this very 'looks oriented' nation measures their racial integration grade -whoever is grading never consulted all involved parties before deciding on the test! Sterling Houston wrote a work entitled "What Have I Done to be so Black & Blue?" portraying the rich heritage of black-struggle that the Republican party represented until around the time of the civil rights movement. This mantle of pluralistic and inclusive politics for all people is too large for one political party to own, individuals need to carry their corner of this national heritage of diversity - the richest tapestry in the USA. All of our diverse backgrounds, experiences and perceptions enrich us, if the color line blurs into the person, rather than the person blurring into the color line! Folks, this is not a sensitive matter, this is a blunt matter that plenty of blacks are just plain weary of hearing, from what I can tell - I'm an ex-patriot of 27 years! Michelle is proud of the national maturing process on this matter as evidenced by the vibrant support of a "black man" running for president. Plenty of blacks, whites, yellows and reds are pleased with this process, regardless of who we plan to vote for. I say "we" because we all have some of those shades. Now, what else can we talk about, PLEASE!

    Posted by Marta S February 21, 08 01:38 AM
  1. Oh please-- anyone who says they are proud of their country all the time is either lying or delusional. Pride is not the same thing as love. I can love my country and be ashamed sometimes of its behavior. Was Cindy McCain proud when she saw the pictures from Abu Grahib -- or did she look the other way?

    Posted by Melissa February 21, 08 08:24 AM
  1. I am proud of the way our country handled the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina too, NCC! Dozens of local firemen left home and family to rush down to help. It certainly was heartwarming. Were you among them? If so, we thank you! If not, at least you are thanking those who did.

    Of course, other events like Tsunamis, coal mining accidents, and earthquakes in other countries soon clamored for America's attention and resources, so you can only do what you can do.

    Posted by cerebral_but_dull February 21, 08 10:13 AM
  1. I think Michelle meant exactly what she said. That's why her face twists sometimes. She has an experience in her lif in America tha thas made her have the sour purss somethimes. So, I think Michelle's statement is the truth for her. People need to accept that that is her feeling and experience instead of requiring her to explain it away. Cindy, on the other hand, may have a life experience in America in which she sees the glass half full and thinks of her patriotism like marriage, for better or worse, it's always good.

    Posted by Marietta February 21, 08 05:37 PM
  1. We should not be ashamed to call ourselves American because of what our leaders have done or do..

    We should always be proud of what we are because what we do for our country.

    No human on this planet is perfect.. We should be ashamed of our leaders if they do wrong......But not the soil we eat from..the land we walk on.. and the people we call neighbor here.

    Love your country for its richness not the stupidity that runs it.

    Posted by Teri August 21, 08 09:59 PM
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