Biden treads lightly at Iraq hearing
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff
WASHINGTON -- The intersection of presidential politics, economic doldrums, and Iraq policy just produced this scene at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Senator George Voinovich, an Ohio Republican, broke with the party line, declaring, "We've kind of bankrupted this country" with the war spending. "We're in a recession," he added, "and God knows how long it's going to last."
Then he asked General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker whether the Iraqi government understood that the US would eventually withdraw.
"We have someone sitting across here, maybe the next president of the United States," Voinovich said, drawing a cheer from the back of the room.
Committee Chairman Joe Biden, a Delaware Democrat who ran for the nomination himself, asked Voinovich not to "reference the senator from Illinois" -- Democratic front-runner Barack Obama -- especially since Biden had ordered a few unruly demonstrators ejected from the hearing room.
"I can just see the headline in the Washington Post: Biden throws out people who cheer Democratic candidate," Biden said, drawing a chuckle from Obama.



Now is the time to communicate to the world that while staying strong militarily. The USA will elect next President that will make them envy about us and our democracy.
So what would a psychiatrist taught in Emperical Psychoholic say
say about the Next US President? With the last name A. M .Khajawall MD....
It shows how qualified this guy is when he claims, "We're in a recession." Last time I checked, a recession is two successive quarters of negative GDP growth. We haven't even had one yet (still waiting on 2008 Q1 report). This guy is an idiot.
I've been hearing rumblings from the Republicans that we should use the Iraqi oil to pay for the war.
If I was cynical, I'd say that that was there plan all the time. Oh, wait. I guess I am cynical.
We can't stay strong militarily by throwing all of our resources down a military/political black hole. An economically bankrupt nation is a weak nation, and a morally bankrupt nation is a target for terrorism.
The framers of the Constitution were wise to specify separation of church and state, but now we desperately need separation of commerce and state. While the military serves the interests of a dying industry, as translated through a corrupt government, no one is safe.
OK... so obviously we can't keep this stupid war on terrorism going. How about making friends with these oppressed losers; stop blindly supporting their oppressor Israel, stop supporting the other oppresor nations like Saudi Arabia, etc., then the people over there won't hate us and want to kill us anymore. Call me crazy, but we can't win when we are supporting the WRONG regimes / policies which are oppressing people.
A little naive to say the war in Iraq caused "the recession" but we are bankcrupting the future of America with this war for sure. Billions upon billions spent on a country that can't seem to take ownership of their problems and police and govern themselves. There just seems to be no end in site. I am not naive to think we are pulling out of Iraq with any of the 3 candidates for President (all weak ones mind you in the grand scheme of educated people in this world), but we are building an embassy and military base in the middle of the middle east that hates democracy and has a lot of common citizens whose mantle piece is a shoulder fired rocket launcher. The attacks on civilians rebuilding that nation and our servicemen are just never going to stop.
I am 33 and the baby boomer generation is going to dissolve Social Security for my generation, drive my health costs through the roof to pay for them, raise my property taxes to pay for their state and federal pensions and in general just cause inflation with their ridiculous spending (huge cars, granite kitchens, oversized homes). If there is one place that Voinovich is right is we are SPENDING TO MUCH and need to reign it in and focus on home immediately. And I am not talking about spending at home on gay rights and telling a woman what to do with her body, I am talking about spending on Americans for Americans!!!
This is now a Civil War. We need to withdraw
The war in Iraq is the worst political decision of the last 35 years. The U.S should begin withdrawing troops today.
Why are we so stupid? We need to realize we are not the worlds police. The oil rich middle east countries bleed us for all we are worth. Were does our hard earned money go to these same countries that sponsor terrorism and they hide it behind their reigeous beliefs. We want out of Iraq fine. We all know that when we leave Iraq, Iran and every other country that sponsors terrorism will support and promote an unstable environment and eventually another Sudan or Somolia. Here is an easy solution. If Iraq wants us to stay its time to pay up. Iraq has oil revenues and its time we get restitution. Its simple actually we appoint a third party neutral government or agency that holds the country accountable for paying for our services. We have made some headway and did over 4000 US service members die for nothing? When you pack up and run tail out of Iraq talk to a family member who lost a loved one in Iraq explain to them that the next President or this pitiful Congress doesn't have the nerve or the stomach to be creative and find a way to stay the course. Remember history repeats itself. Rome was a great republic once.
Well, the fact of the matter is that Bin Laden always said this was his goal.
Senator Voinovich had the courage to tell the truth - the war HAS bankrupted the US both financially and morally. The Iraq war was started based on a lie with malice and manipulation by Dick Cheney and the Commander-in-dunce Bush.
The sooner we get out completely, the better. US taxpayers are tired of paying for death in the Middle East.
I think Voinovich should speak his mind as well as the people in the hearing itself. Someone has to communicate to Congress, The White House and the Military how most of America feels about the war in Iraq and the outrageous amount of money being spent without achieving any of its primary goals. At 12 billion dollars being spent per month for both wars is equivalent to one big dig like project per month here at home. Just ask those who have paid their home heating oil bill lately.
When will a President be held accountable for ridiculous spending? It's doesn't matter what Bush or Clinton did in their earlier years viz-a-viz "non Presidential behavior" but spending a ton of our tax dollars when we have so much on the line (health, jobs, poverty in the US) has to be answered. When are the American people going to say enough? Bush has still another 8 months of spending ahead of him!
Since Senator Clinton was also at the hearings, how do you know that Voinovich was not referring to her, rather than Obama?
Col. Khajawall,
Wasn't that the plan when we invaded Iraq -- that our military would "shock and awe" the rest of the world and other nations would envy our democracy?
So what happened?
"We've kind of bankrupted this country".. There is no "kind of" about it. Hold onto your hat its going to be a bumpy ride no matter whom, we elect into office..
I LOVE Joe Biden. What an intellect he has and what a marvelous grasp on all things political most especially Iraq. I would love to see him as a VP choice OR certainly an important position in any Democratic administration.
Now is time to tell all of you that Barak Obama is a stooge. Sorry folks but he would of never gotten this far if he was not part of the elite.
Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul are they only real none stooge candidates.
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The first poster doesn't get it. We're Bankrupt. Let the word sink in.
In a very few years, we will be pulling troops back from the 700 or so military bases we have around the world, as we won't be able to pay the soldiers. Medicare and then Social Security will be eliminated as there will be no money there either. Many government services will just disappear.
People hear these words and act as though they are witnessing a movie happening to someone else. People simply aren't connected to
reality anymore. It's our country and lifestyle going away. Wake up!
reality anymore.
Bin Laden has said he wants us in Iraq. He claims his guys and the Iraqi resistance can break us just as they broke the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
I would have laughed at such seeming delusions a few years ago, but as we watch the dollar collapse by fighting an enormously costly war on borrowed funds, see infrastructure here go unrepaired, pay a heavy "war tax" on oil, and run huge trade and budgetary deficits, while Russia and China quietly go about developing business and political relationships with countries on every continent, his boasts don't sound so crazy anymore.
We neither have anything to win nor lose in Iraq; the era of empire is long past. To stay is to waste the lives of our brave troops, throw billions of resources down the drain, provoke the hatred of millions of people and imperil in further “unrealism” our future. Gen. Douglas MacArthur in his 1951 Farwell Address to Congress pointed out the imperialism was a thing of the past. What Mac Arthur said of Asia applies equally to Arabia (his words with my insertion): “… rather than pursue a course blind to the reality that the colonial era is now past and the Asian (Arabian) peoples covet the right to shape their own free destiny. What they seek now is friendly guidance, understanding, and support -- not imperious direction -- the dignity of equality and not the shame of subjugation. … World ideologies play little part in Asian (Arabian) thinking and are little understood. What the peoples strive for is the opportunity for a little more food in their stomachs, a little better clothing on their backs, a little firmer roof over their heads, and the realization of the normal nationalist urge for political freedom. These political-social conditions have but an indirect bearing upon our own national security, but do form a backdrop to contemporary planning which must be thoughtfully considered if we are to avoid the pitfalls of unrealism.”
Perhaps the U.S. should cease sponsoring and funding terrorism. Who do you think funded/ignited the insurgency? The U.S. with the help of the U.K.!!! The Genocide of the American Natives, Latin America, Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq and soon Iran.
MI6 personnel were caught with a cache of bombs, rocket launchers, etc. while wearing traditional muslim/arab wear and fake beards. What did the U.K. do when the Iraqis got a hold of them? They bulldozed the jail and freed the terrorist.
Damn America and everything it REALLY stands for: Empire, Terrorism and Fascism.
Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
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