Bill Clinton: Older voters too savvy to fall for Obama

If Hillary cared at all about our country or the Democratic Party, she'd be running on what she COULD do for America while at the same time attacking John McCain, rather than saying NOTHING about John McCain, attacking Barack Obama and telling us what he can't do for America! Even if Hilary somehow steals the nomination, I won't be voting in November. I won't be voting for McCain, but that doesn't mean I have to vote for Hillary either. Enough with this Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton nightmare every four or eight years!

I'm 58 and opposed to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty. I think Billary is both approaching and banking on senility.

Well there you go, the politicians once again have created a divisive line not between races but between age groups. Wise up everyone.

The "older" generation, and at 44 I assume I am one of them, need to understand that the younger generation drives this country, it always has. Why? Well they are our children and they drive the ideas while using our money to do it. They are bright and educated, we need to realize what a valuable resource they are.

However, the yonger generation needs to realize that there IS wisdom in becoming older and that every single one of them will eventually be "older", God willing. We are not senile and set in our ways, in fact the very path all of young folks walk down was laid down by us "older" ones, and we gladly walk with you side by side for the common good of this awesome nation.

Don't let them divide us.

Obama, do you want to win Pennsylvania? Here's what you should do:
In tonight's debate say this:
I’VE HAD TIME TO REFLECT ON MY COMMENTS ABOUT PENNSYLVANIANS RECENTLY, AND, REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT, MIS-SPEAKING, OR ANY OTHER EXPLANATION AVAILABLE, THE COMMENTS I MADE WERE NOT FAIR. THE MORE I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW PEOPLE HERE, I'VE COME TO REALIZE HOW GOOD AND DECENT THE PEOPLE OF PENNSYLVANIA ARE. I HOPE, TOO, THAT THEY ARE COMING TO KNOW ME BETTER. GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER CAN BE AWKWARD AT TIMES EARLY ON, AND I’M SORRY FOR HOW INARTFUL MY COMMENTS SOUNDED. BUT IN NO WAY DID I INTEND TO OFFEND ANYONE. I APPRECIATE THE SOLID WAY OF LIFE THEY HAVE BUILT FOR THEMSELVES HERE AND THEIR TREMENDOUS HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY HAVE MADE TO THIS GREAT NATION. I JUST WANT THE PEOPLE OF PENNSYLVANIA TO KNOW THEY HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT AND I WILL WORK HARD TO EARN THEIR FAITH AND TRUST THAT I CAN BE THIER PRESIDENT.

Such honesty is rare, and I don't expect him to do it -- it would require courage and trust that telling the truth will win out. Advisors will say, no you can't admit that! But the same way the dumb comments caused him problems, this kind of confession will bring complete healing. AND it will contrast him with the lies of Clinton. It would be a one-punch knockout from which she will never recover.

I'm an almost 70-year-old white woman and, according to the talking heads, I'm supposed to be voting for Hillary Clinton. Well, I'm not. She voted for the war resolution claiming she didn't think Bush would go that far. I knew he would so why didn't she? Then she proved that she learned nothing from the experience by voting to have the Iranian Red Guard declared a terrorist organization giving the shrub another free rein. Her campaign has been nasty and mendacious. Her choices to run it have proven two-faced and/or incompetent. Listen up pundits. A person is more than his or her genitalia.

I'm old enough to recognize that Hillary doesn't "misspeak", she lies though her teeth. I'm also old enough to realize that if she had any merits to run on she's be doing so rather than running a negative campaign trying too shoot down her oponent.

The damage that Bush has done to America both is incredible. We need someone with the vision, positivity and honesty to begin to lead us out of this mess.

We don't need someone (Hilary) more interested power at any cost (blantant extreme lying, trying to hatchet job her opponent, trying to advance herself at the cost of dragging the democratic party down), no do we need someone so scarred by his Vietnam experience of 40 years ago that he still refers to his captors as Gooks, and so old that his life is essentially behind him and he doesn't need to be so concerned about what he is creating for the future. McCain scares the hell out of me. Too unpredictable and aggressive by far.

Go Obama!

One more Comment:
Looking over Bill and Hillary's behaviour and scandals throughout their careers....
Now..... imagine them as Black-American......they would have never had the careers they now possess let alone insult people of any age.
I would say they are masters at Ghetto-Politics.
Obama does have DIGNITY and it shows!

well i guess bill clinton would be VERY disappointed to know that my 75-year-old dad voted for OBAMA in our primary, and can't wait to vote for him again in the general election. my 73-year-old mom will vote for OBAMA in the general, and she is a registered republican recently turned obamican.

the clintons are truly desperate.

Go, Bill! Every time you open your mouth, you are doing Obama a favor, no matter which side of it you are talking out of. Wow, the Clintons will just say anything at any time if they think it will score a point for them. Fortunately, Bill often seems to be miscalculating!

Gee whiz, I'm 54 and I thought I was getting pretty wise. But I support Obama, so maybe I'm younger than my chronological age. Or maybe Bill needs to back away slowly from the microphone, take a tranquilizer and gain some perspective.

I will be 57 in three months. No spring chicken . I am not fooled easily. And I have never, **never** been as inspired by a political leader as I have been by Barack Obama. (Well, maybe with the exception of my state's greatest Democrat son, Hubert Humphrey.) Bill, I am savvy enough at this doddering old age to recognize leadership and inspiration when I see it and hear it.

Most people in this forum are full of it. Obama and Clinton are both good candidates, and they hold positions on most issues which are so similar that they have to resort to petty attacks on each other to try to differentiate from each other. Unfortunately for Sen. Clinton, since she has fallen behind, it is she who has to start these types of arguments. Had Sen. Obama fallen behind, it would have been him. This is politics, and I find it so amusing that people on both sides don't recognize it. This is particularly true of the Obama crowd which tends to see him as the messiah, or god's gift to America. I mean, for them Obama can do no wrong, he is perfect and anyone who dares criticize him is a liar, a cheat, or worst a racist. I will not choose Sen. Obama or Clinton based on how historic their election would be, because they are both historic., Rather, I will choose on whom I best think will be a good leader. Both have good qualities, both bad, yet either is better than Sen. McCain at this point due to his continued support for Pres. Bush's foreign policy decisions.

A vote for Hillary Clinton means never having to say you're sorry (or too young and didn't have enough information to make a correct vote).

I'm an older voter of 63 years, Hispanic male that is too wise to vote for either Obama or Hillary. Heck, I'm so wise I won't vote for any Democrap on any ticket. Who is Obama anyhow? A rookie U.S. Senator from Illinois who automatically got 90% of the Black vote just because he is Black? Are you kidding me? I don't want no BO in the White House and I'm sick and tired of the Clintons who appear to have the audacity that they think they have some sort of divine right to be back again in the White House.

Please, African Americans, they have shown themselves to be extremely racist voting for Sen. Obama in numbers above 90% in almost every election. Most white voters tend to split almost evenly between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton. Why doesn't the media focus on African American racism!

I'm a younger voter, I'm voting for Hillary and have no idea why anyone would vote for Obama. Yes, he has good ideas, but he has ZERO experience and needs a few more years in office before he would make a good president. I might vote for Obama in 8 years, and he'll need those 8 years of experience in order to be able to run America properly. Hillary already has them! :-) Most people who voted for Bush on the last go-round are kicking themselves now. Do you want to do that again? Hillary Clinton is the only person running who can turn this country around before it totally goes under.

Bill

My birthday falls just between yours and Hillary's. So if I'm older voter it takes one to know one. I am four square for Senator Obama. Since February I have moved from being more than happy to have Hillary as the nominee and President, to the point where I now feel "bitter" towards both of you. Sorry, but you and she have proven yourselves to be the craven narcissists the Republicans have long said you are. And, yes, I am sorry that it has come to this.

None of these candidates represent change! Not Hillary, not Obama, not McCain! They're all senators, trained by and provided for by the Washington establishment. Although they will all campaign on "change", nobody should be shocked when nothing changes once one of them is elected. They simply have too much vested in the system. Old, young, maverick -- it really doesn't matter! Of course, stability isn't a bad thing either!

The Dems were dumb enough to vote for him so they will be just as dumb this time.

I wouldn't buy a used car from either Bill or Hillary Clinton much less McCain!

I am an older voter and I think most of you are crazy for picking either. Hillary has always been a liar along with her husband and B. Hussein Obama is blowing smoke up your____. Has any one even taken the time to look at his voting record instead of listening to what you want to hear, that should tell you plenty. No wonder our country is being taken over from within, it's not the politicians it's the people. God help us all

What a typical Baby Boomer attitude. When the baby boomers were young & politically active it was because they thought they were more informed & intelligent about what was happening at the time than the 'older voters' & wanted to vote for something different. Now that they are 'older voters' they have the nerve to label the young & politically active as naive & impressionable!

I'm ready for Bill Clinton to go away....his rants and comments are getting "old" and tiring.....please just go away

I'm an older voter 63 years old Hispanic male too wise to vote for either Obama or Hillary or any other Democrap, for that matter. We don't need BO in the White House and one Clinton was more than enough. Like Geraldine and the billionaire Robert Johnson both said, BO wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't because he is Black. Robert Johnson went on to say that BO started of his campaign with 90% of the Black vote. I'll say Hillary wouldn't be where she if it wasn't because she is a Clinton running on her husbands name. Why doesn't she run as Hillary Rodham? No one would know her from Adam.

WELL I AM OLDER AND I DO SUPPORT HILLARY AND JUST LIKE THE POLES SHOW PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHLY EDUCATED AND RICH ARE THE ONES WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA THE ELITE AND OBAMA HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN JUST AS MANY LIES AS HILLARY BUT HE IS SMART ENOUGHT TO TURN HIS LEMONS TO LEMONAID BY TWISTING EVERYTHING BACK TO BLAME HILLARY FOR IT SOME HOW OR OTHER AND HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE FORGET THAT ECONEMY WAS IN GREAT SHAPE WHEN THEY LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE AND YOU MADE YOUR FOURTUNS TO BE ABLE TO GET HIGHLY EDUCATED IN YOUR BIG COLLEAGES

People, please remember that the media is manipulating opinion. You seem to believe that Bill was actually criticizing young people. I was there, I certainly did not find him critical of youth at all. Remember how the media has raked the Clinton's over the coals. They do it to Obama as well, but why are we hearing nothing bad about McCain? Bill's speech in Quakertown was not critical of Obama or McCain. He praised McCain as a hero. He simply talked about Hilary's policies and why he believed she was the best candidate. The headline that should have come out of that speech- " Bill tells enthusiastic crowd about Hilary's policies to bring America back to its former status." That was what the speech was about. It had nothing to do with criticizing the youth of America. Please don't latch on to exaggerations as an excuse for vitriol. Either candidate would be an improvement over the Republicans. John McCain would keep us in a war in which our young people, and the people of Iraq are dying.

Bill Clinton is right of what is saying about the wisdom when it comes to elect a president of United States of America. The President of this country is looked up to by the entire world and the decision any president of this country takes affects the entire world. We have two wars going on right now and we need a president who has mastered a leadership skills and who will wisely decide before taking actions

Bill says than older people see the difference between his time in DC and Bush's. This is true,. We see the FACTS, unemployment was higher, less jobs, less homeownership, more corporate coruption (enron,worldcom),more taxes, less freedom.
Vote McCain

The trouble with people who think like Ron H is that they call themselves Christians and rely upon the word of GOD to be their beacon but when it comes down to helping those less fortunate then themselves they push them away and do not follow the word of GOD ...They believe that life begins at conception and once the child is here the mother has to make the best of her situation and the government should not help her.... such confusion.... I detest people who are self centered and throw the name of GOD around as if that justifies their void of Jesus's Love Behavior.

I guess no one counted on these great older southern ladies that are for Obama!

White haired southern women speak for themselves, for Obama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpDTvlSd0x4

Yes We Can!

I'm definitely an older voter, female, and I'm tired of dynasties ruling America. I want our country back, I want to be proud again to be American. Ms. Hillary has shown me, throughout the campaign, that she'll talk out both sides of her mouth. She's shown me, throughout her brief Senate career, that she will play politics instead of using wisdom and clear thinking to do what's right (her vote on the Iraq Authorization among others).

I'm sorry, Bill, gee I loved it when you were President, but that doesn't make your wife the best choice in 2008. I will vote for Obama, all the way.

Most of the twenty-somethings I know are ignorant, self centered, undisciplined, and extremely conceited. They have been raised on hip-hop and video games and rarely have had a tough or challenging job, or have had to make sacrifices.

It's clear, by a lot of the comments on blogs, that very little critical thinking is going on in their heads.

People like Rose is EXACTLY what's wrong with this country. Instead of owning up to your own candidates faults, such as claiming first lady as experience, NOT reading the Intelligence report before voting for a war that resulted in THOUSANDS of casualties, enthusiastically supporting NAFTA then trying to claim she was against it, Having her top advisor trying to work out trade deals, yet raised hell when an UNPAID Obama aide that Obama probably didn't know supposedly spoke to Canada, Lying 3 or more times about Bosnia, then lying again about some fake Hospital story.
I mean really, it is so unbelievably disrespectful to suggest that younger voters are dumb and that we're being duped. Is it maybe possible that we don't like Hillary's negative campaigning? Is it maybe possible that we're upset she's taken more money from lobbyists than any other candidate running for President? Is it maybe possible that we admire Obama's plan for this country and what he represents? Is it maybe possible that Obama supporters think she's a Polarizing, negative figure that puts herself above the party and will do anything to win?

Instead of coming up with stupid excuses, such as "Obama's an affirmative action candidate" or "Obama's inspiring and blinding his supporters", Why don't you look at the ugly truth of your candidate first.Clinton's been around for over 20 years, she has a major brand name. Obama goes into almost every big state 20 points behind, so yes, he should be outspending her. Many don't even know anything about him

Actually, Obama has the high school graduate vote. So if you are going to stoop so low as to pick on voters for their intellegence, level of education should certainly factor in there. The Clinton's are exploiting citizens for their own gain. He would like us to forget that he signed NAFTA, Hillary promoted it, he made $800,000 for the Columbian trade agreement, and her top advisor lobbied for it (and Blackwater and Haliburton).

Clintons, please stop lying to citizens!

Bill & Hillary are exhausting. They need to just go away. Having them in the White House again would be excruciating for the nation. Frankly, Obama's clumsiness is refreshing, while Hillary's consistent, intentional lies are disturbing.

Maybe we don't know what we are getting with Obama;
but we do know with Hillary.

Thats why I am voting for Obama.

I have known for a long time that my vote didn't matter to the Clintons ... hence why I'm voting for Obama and if her "eltiest" friends force her to be the nomination than I will vote for McCain. As for the easily be swayed well let's just say I have a good memory of Watergate, closed door meetings, and my favorite MS Clinton's accepting of a million dollar's for a unpublished book by a company under review by the Senate's Ethic Committee (which by the way she was ON). But yes Im easily swayed that whole not corrupt not dirty just easily sways me to one side over the other.

I lived in small town PA under Clinton years. No jobs. Factories shutting down. High rents. Groceries mostly affordable. Then I moved to CA and could afford to live 1/4 block from the ocean. The same jobs on the east coast paid less on the west, but there were more available.The only thing I wrote Bill about was air strikes in no fly zones in Iraq. I suggested legislation to lessen our countries dependency upon oil. I would not vote for his wife due to her whole hearted approval of Iraq. I would not vote for him due to his womanizing and lying. Horrible role model for our youth. He does not need a 3rd term in DC. Her attack mode, lies about Obama, mood swings are not what I want from a president. I am 60.

The Clintons will say, and do anything to win.

Obama has not been around as long as either of the Clintons. Give him a few more years and there will be just as much negativity surrounding him as Bill and Hillary. The public knows all there is to know about the Clintons.
I am a younger voter and am witnessing everyday the droves of young voters, as well as veteran voters blindly accepting the words of a political toddler. Predominately because he appears to be the "cool" candidate. He is not a saint! He is a politician! Give him a little more time in the political spotlight and his faults will be recognized. Many will sadly be disappointed.

Bill

My birthday falls just between yours and Hillary's. So if I'm older voter it takes one to know one. I am four square for Senator Obama. Since February I have moved from being more than happy to have Hillary as the nominee and President, to the point where I now feel "bitter" towards both of you. Sorry, but you and she have proven yourselves to be the craven narcissists the Republicans have long said you are. And, yes, I am sorry that it has come to this.

Bubba,
Tell me how my life was better during your presidency. You passed NAFTA and changed our way of life here in Reading, PA. Our largest employer gone. Employees retrained for the new "Service Industry" but when they got their degrees, those jobs had disappeared as well. Now most of them are stocking shelves in Home Depot.
And Hill, you were the Chief Cheerleader in Charge on NAFTA. Not to mention the debacle you made of Health Care.
Can't we just be done with the Bill & Hill show already?

Are these the same foolish young folks he flirted with on MTV in the early 90s? I'm 27. I'm young. And I'm voting Obama. So foolish are these Clintons.

I really don't understand why people are getting so abusive towards their non-preferred candidate. Surely if you are voting for either of these people you are a Democrat no? Does that mean that if your candidate isn't chosen you are going to vote Republican?

Policies should be the main part of this debate, not who Candidate X was seen with when they were 4 years old. You get your point across so much better when you remain calm and explain why you think you are correct, not by simply abusing the opposite candidate and anyone that supports them.

I saw Obama's rebuttal to the bitter remark and I have to say that he showed a much greater level of professionalism and integrity than the other two presidential candidates. He could have made note of their extravagant lives they have lead in response to being called "out of touch" but no, instead he attacked their policy decisions to illustrate that point. It's what an election is 'supposed' to be about.

I am a proud Australian citizen but have been following this election closely, mainly because it will decide what fate awaits the world in years to come. I'd just like to point out, we have the same Prime Minister for 11 years, however the public overwhelmingly opted for change last year for a much less experienced candidate. So far most of the country is approving of his decision making (bringing our troops home from Iraq being a major factor). Change is often good when a country starts to stagnate.

i dont know the whole story, but from reading those few paragraphs it seems very easy to take those lines from clinton and put them in any context you want

I am a 60-year-old Obama supporter - White, blue collar, and deeply offended that a liar like Hillary has gotten this far! We ignored Bill's lies in the '90's because the times were good. No more. Oh - and by the way, my 80-year-old mother and 84-year-old mother-in-law are Obama supporters, too!
We live in Oregon, which hasn't voted yet - but we're all okay with Hillary pulling out before our Primary comes up, because we're all old enough to be okay with our primary being about delegates to the convention. Hilary's line about "allowing the rest of the states to have a voice" is just more of the same ol' bullsh--t.

How do you forget something that never happened?

I am 57. My motto: "No Bush; no Clinton." I propose putting the entire Bush and Clinton clans - and all their minions and retainers - on a rocket ship to the dark side of the moon. Enough, already. Someone should tell Bill that, not only will that dog no longer hunt - it's the last dog, and it has died. No more drama: Vote Obama.

Oh Please! I was born and raised in PA and I know quite a few PA people who are indeed bitter about what has happened here. Free trade which Bill Clinton supported while we all know what he was up to in the White House. Hillary was a carpetbagger who won a senate seat in a safe state. I am 60 years old and I'm soooooo tired of the McCain/Clinton era. Lets vote for a refreshing change that doesn't include kitchen sink mentality! Retire yourselves Bill and Hill. The era of entitlement due to name recognition is OVER! Go Obama!

I'm not American and do not live in America... but I seem to get the impression that all the people that are ready to vote for Hillary or the republicans are rich pricks or dumb rednecks..

any member of the middle class that has a little bit of sense..should vote for Obama

its common in many countries, that the elder generation are stuck in the political allegiances they made in their youth.. so..having polls showing that young voters go for Obama speaks for itself..

60-year-old white woman wholeheartedly supporting Barack. Hillary and Bill? No way! And BTW, doesn't Bill just sound like such a good ol' boy when he uses expressions like "a hill of beans?"

John McCain - the voice of some Republicans.

Hillary Clinton - the voice of some Democrats.

Barack Obama - the voice of America.

Yes we can…Yes we will.

GObama - OEight

Bill is right, there is a difference between the Bush and Clinton years. During Clinton's administration, prisons were built like condos. The prison population grew faster and quicker than any administration before him, even good old Ronald Regan- who most of us know as the devil. Clinton also abolished welfare, spent less on education than any other president before him, and increased military spending. Clinton enacted Conservative and often Republican change that had been brewing for decades before him. For once, that good ole boy is telling the truth, but that's besides the point.

Clinton's diatribe was a response to Obama stating that the problems facing this country "simmered" long before Bush took office. Obama is right in stating that. Clinton says that history isn't important, its what is happening now and what is going to happen in the future. I couldn't disagree more. How are we going to understand where we are at without analyzing our past? If we learned about the peoples history of the united states in school(I'm not referencing Zinn's book, it ain't even all that) we would have a better idea of where we were. White people wouldn't need Obama to tell them that race is still a problem if they had learned it in U.S History.

But i appreciate Obama's optimism that so many claim is fake or delusional, the fact he can talk you young people speaks to me. Clinton is criticizing Obama for mobilizing people left out of discourse. Whether you like Obama or not, he is creating spaces for people to talk.

The issues facing this country, and the inequalities which divide us start at birth. From the first shot we do or do not receive at the doctor, to our first year of primary education, these systems are the foundations of our lives. Whether or not we go to public school and receive inadequate education or we attend private schools and have doors opened from the get. issues that affect the youth, affect the country today, and more important affect who will be going into leadership positions later in their lives.

All of these posters are lying.

Old people don't know how to use computers.

I'm 53, and I will vote for whichever Democrat wins.
HOWEVER, I pray Obama wins the primary because I truly am SICK AND TIRED of holding my nose ofr a candidate I don't approve of.
I am tired of the divisive tactics of "Slick Willy", "Hilarity Clintoon" and their "machine" made up of people like Mark Penn and Harold Ickes.
She slings crap and personal derision and Obama answers her with reason and politeness.

Some progressive he is. Of the "never trust anyone over 30" generation.

Barack Obama gets my vote. And he's right about people being bitter - everyone knows it. And any statement from the Clintons about elitism just get a laugh from me - what a statement coming from someone who's worth over $100 million!

By the way, I'm old enough to remember Carter and Reagan in office.

Is it me or is Billy starting to act like your annoying drunk grandfather at Thanksgiving?

I cast my very first vote for Bill Clinton. I did it again 4 years later. But this time around this well-educated, well-informed, 35-year-old Mensan woman is voting for Obama.

p.s.
To misspeak: To speak mistakenly, inappropriately, or rashly. (aka To Lie)

The youth vote on intelligence, information, and independent news-gathering. Old people vote based on what talking heads (be it Clinton, O'Reilly, Matthews, Nancy Grace, Lou Dobbs) tell them to think......who will suffer? AMERICA.

If McCain or Hillary Clinton are elected into office, the Mayan prediction of the world ending in 2012 seems more and more likely.....

I'm 48. I supported Bill Clinton through every single controversy. I kept good faith with him and his family and refused to allow family and friends to talk badly of him although I was smart enough to be confused by all the nuances to the scandals that happened back to back.

I am a woman. It will be my privilege to campaign and vote for a woman president when the right candidate comes along. But before I am a woman, I am an American.

I am educated. Enough to know what I want but not enough to be the articulate supporter I wish to be. My education allowed me to revisit Bill Clinton’s presidency with fresh and open eyes. I studied up on Senator Obama’s and Senator Clinton’s platforms (as well as Bill Richardson’s and John Edward’s) and made my own decision based on what I felt the candidate could do for our ailing nation and the world. Then I watched Senator Clinton take cheap over and over and watched my candidate shake it off and stay in for the long haul to take the win. And for all our sakes I HOPE he will. Despite all the petty, small-minded rhetoric being thrown at his head and his family.

9/11 did not happen in a vacuum. Like a nasty boil ready to erupt, It was the result of Papa Bush's occupation of the middle east with Gulf War Part I and the Clinton's continuance with these very same predatory and exploitative U.S. Corporate Foreign Policies.

Following Bill's fall from grace, I wondered why Bill was always hob-knobbing around with Papa Bush, like his Siamese twin. Now we know the definition of "Experience as Usual" and what Hillary will, no doubt, bring to the table.

By the way, I’m white and I’m 59. I’ve never had a problem with other ethnicities, until the white-a** Clintons stuck their fingers in the pot!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

Comments for # 680 Nice spelling job!! Just wondering what a MULIM IS?

Comments for #682 Wow you must have gone to the same school slick willy went to Mr. Racist. Nice job on the spelling!

Hillary's a 'servant leader' all right -- too lobbyists, special interests and drug companies.

Hillary is the lying candidate. Young and Old alike can make that assessment.

I am a 66 year old white female and I voted for Obama in the primary and hope to do so again in the general election in November. Yes, our economy did pretty good during Bill Clinton's years but he and Hillary are divisive. They were then and they still are, and she's a liar. I don't want another Clinton presidency and I darn sure don't want another Bush presidency -- and that is what we'd get with McCain. If HRC gets the nomination, I may just stay home for the first time on election day.

In regards to Clinton's argument of worker vs. symbolic, I think both labels fit both candidates.

Clinton is a strong symbol of Gender equality, whether she courts the label or not. But she is a worker for the people, as demonstrated with her child advocacy legal work in her early legal years.

Obama is a strong symbol of Ethnic equality, also whether or not he courts the label. Be he too has also demostrated he is a worker for the people, spending his legal years fighting for community organizers and voting rights.

I favor Obama myself, but I would be remiss to disregard the good works Hillary has done in her life. We all have to step back from the vitriol and remember that the our candidates are quite similar on the issues. Never in a million years will I vote for the truly dismissive, business-elite of the Republican party. Even if McCain was a maverick in the past, he is pandering hardcore to the conservative right in the present, which goes to show just how much he sticks to his guns. And that's Straight Talk.

I'm 68 and white. Obama has been my man ever since he gave that great speech in the 2004 Democratic Convention. For me, his message of inclusiveness trumps all other arguments. We are a divided nation and a divided world. Does anyone remember that we are ALL children of God? If we don't find a way to bridge our differences so we can actually get something worthwhile done (e.g., environment, economy, peace, education ....) we will only see our problems get worse. Bill Clinton does not serve us well when he keeps trying to divide us with his comments.

Bill Clinton: "you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there's not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when I was president, and in this decade."

A little defensive, are we? He seems to think this election is about his presidential legacy rather than the future of this country.

Sorry, Bill, it's not about you anymore.

Are you kidding me? Well, apparently the Clintons aren't paying attention to the fact that the young voters are one of the most important demographics this election year. They ain't the 2000/2004 "young voters". I am extremely impressed with how well informed, and well educated the young voters are this time around. Maybe if Hillary would have accepted Chris Matthews from MSNBC's Hardball's invitation to join him on his college tour, she would realize just how amazing these young adults are. No, they send Chelsea, who refuses to answer their questions.

Keep in mind that these are the same people who think everything's just fine in Pennsylvania. We have no reason to be angry, frustrated, or bitter, right?

DON'T TRUST ANYBODY OVER 30!

Obama is cut from the same cloth as Howard Dean, Paul Wellstone, and Al Gore. They were never mixed up in the whole moderate Democratic Leadership Committee that lorded over the party for years with the likes of Clinton, Lieberman, Terry Mcaullife, and Bayh.

When Obama speaks of bitter voters clinging to guns, god, and gays I am reminded of similar Dean stumps from last Primary Season 04. Furthermore Deans organization helped raise a lot of money for Obama's Senate campaign back around the same time. Lest we forget Obama had the same media team as Dean there for awhile, the same ones who produced the 1984 spoof ad with HIllary Clinton as IBM.

Bill Clinton is sour grapes. He was a good President. Hillary is a strong competent woman and would be an excellent President. The media have assassinated Hillary in the way they have assassinated Britney Spears, Micheal Jackson and others. Once this occurs the public perception is altered for the worse, and with the public being so impressionable, they will never vote for someone so damaged. Yes there are those who don't care what the media says and I'm glad they will still vote how they want but for now they are in the minority. Bill Clinton is correct that too many people are voting on rhetoric or gut feelings. However, in this case Hillary's continuity and lack of Dean, Gore, Wellstone like policy views are why I caucused for Obama in Iowa.

"What a lot of people do not understand is that Clinton has double the brains that Obama has and has the experience and the connections to get things done for this country."

Yeah, Keith. That's why the "upstart" Obama campaign has run rings around the more "verteran" Clinton campaign on every conceivable level. It's because Hillary has "double the brains" and is ready to be herself on day one. Here's what you can expect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U

Of course many of the deepest seated economic problems of lower to middle class Americans predate Bush. If Clinton doesn't know this he has not been paying attention to Hillary Clinton supporter Paul Krugman.

Here's what Krugman had to say on this:

"Since the late 1970s the America I knew has unraveled. We’re no longer a middle-class society, in which the benefits of economic growth are widely shared: between 1979 and 2005 the real income of the median household rose only 13 percent, but the income of the richest 0.1% of Americans rose 296 percent.

Most people assume that this rise in inequality was the result of impersonal forces, like technological change and globalization. But the great reduction of inequality that created middle-class America between 1935 and 1945 was driven by political change; I believe that politics has also played an important role in rising inequality since the 1970s."

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/introducing-this-blog/

The chart in that article makes it crystal clear than the Clinton presidency did not reverse the trends and we did in fact continue to lose ground.

I said this before when Hillary said she didn't think Iowa college students should be allowed to vote in the caucuses: youth apathy is an epidemic that does not need another politician's support. I am 20 years old and cannot remember a time I wasn't watching a country choose between the lesser of two evils. I cannot remember an election in which the youth population has been so moved to make a change to our country to make a better future for ourselves. A true leader would accept all support and empower young voters to get involved in the electoral process, but if the Clinton campaign doesn't value my vote and the votes of my fellow young people, she can't have them. Thanks for making my choice even easier Hill, I appreciate it.

I am 57 years old and remember the Clinton days very well. But the first memory that comes to mind when I think of them now is an incident that happened way back during the "Monica episode". My sister and I were driving one day with her elementary school age son in the back seat. My sister and I were chatting when her son interjected with a question from the back seat. We both paused and listened. He asked "What is a blow job?". I turned around and asked where he heard this. He replied that it was on the radio about the President (Bill). This is what I think about when I think of Bill and Hilary. By the way, I did not vote for him both times. In hindsight I made the right decision. And I will not vote for her now. They need therapy, not the White House and our future.

No, I think the fools are the Clinton supporters. The Clintons helped usher in NAFTA, which fucked up my parent's jobs and is now affecting us 30 somethings. Not to mention the whole Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty. That alone tells me there's something wrong with the political process in this country. I would not vote for her under ANY circumstances.

Aside from that. she looks like a bug eyed lesbian.

No, I think the fools are the Clinton supporters. The Clintons helped usher in NAFTA, which fucked up my parent's jobs and is now affecting us 30 somethings. Not to mention the whole Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty. That alone tells me there's something wrong with the political process in this country. I would not vote for her under ANY circumstances.

Aside from that. she looks like a bug eyed lesbian.

After reading a serious number of comments on this subject, it surprising how many people are being blindsided by black racism. Are so many people so brainwashed by the politically correct that they can't see it for what it is? Racism is racism, no matter what color you are. Racism is not just a white problem, go overseas and see it everywhere between group of people. Obama is a black racist of the most insidious sort.

Does Bill recommend bringing back poll tests to ensure that only those who are "most qualified" are able to cast ballots?

I see Bill's bitterness written all over this, who would've thought his poor ego could take such a beating. The sad part is that he was in such a great position, his work with the Clinton Global Initiative has been outstanding, he could have transitioned into the role of elder statesman quite comfortably. Now I fear he and Hillary will emerge from this election with their family name so tarnished I hope that Chelsea doesn't have any political ambitions of her own.

If I was in that audience at Quakertown Community High School I would have been offended by what Bill Clinton said. As a young voter I do not feel that myself and my peers would vote for Obamba just because of our age. It is absolutly idiotic to say that because we are younger we are not as wise. It is probably because we are younger that we are more open-minded but not any less wise.
This gives me one more reason NOT to vote for Hillary!

Bill Clinton should do his wife a favor and STOP TALKING.

I'm a young voter, who is a great deal more educated than the vast majority of my older counterparts and as a political science major, is a great deal better read on the election, voting behavior and other aspects of the political process than many American citizens, older ones included. I believe it's an insult to young voters everywhere for Bill to imply that we're stupid enough to "fall for" Obama, when any intelligent, diligent person can see all of the negative consequences that would come about if Hillary's nomination came to pass. All it takes is a little research. Bill, thanks for giving me yet another reason to vote for Obama. Jerk.

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No Bill. What would really be unwise, dumb and unintelligent would be to support a campaign that continually lies to the American People. That is why Hillary's poll numbers on the question of trust are almost as low as Bush's. 58% say Hillary is untrustworthy... And we already know where Bill is in the trust category.... I am so glad that I was able to attend a Michelle Obama event yesterday. Now I know who the Obama's really are, because I heard the tell their own story. That's why people listen to him speak and join the Obama movement of change. Not because we are unwise...

The best part of Hillary's campaign is observing the self directed destruction. These processes do have a way of sorting out the almosts from the better candidate. I am excited by an Obama presidency. Soon, we have to be vigil of the "vote counters" who determine election outcomes. Comment from a 70 year old.

Our view of politics in this country is severely distorted. Politics in itself is all about distortion of reality. We have been conditioned to buy ideas in terms of how they are packaged. The past 7 or so years has damaged our country for the next 20 or more. Idealism is novel, but we have to face our economy, international relations and resource affairs without platitudes and charisma. We need a leader who knows how 'the furniture was supposed to be arranged before the Bushes moved in' and take strides to move us to a realistic future, not a fantastic one. I don't criticize Barak Obama for being who he is, I am critical of who we think we need in our national state of denial of how we stand in the world.

Really, Obama not ready? He was a Constitutional Law professor. And Hillary? A corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart. Both did their time on in their youth doing noble work, but when faced with a choice where to go from there... I think the choices speak for themselves.

Very bitter, typical white female 46yr old Oregonian who refuses to vote for a BO disingenuous uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, prophecy in November. (What are the odds of trying NOT to bowl a 37?)

Hillary and Bill are pathological liars.

Young people can see through the smoke screen and so can older people.

I am on the older and I wouldn't consider voting for Clinton even if it was a choice between Clinton and McCain.

Hillary is George W Bush in drag with a little Cheney in the closet.

I want the candidate that does NOT:

- have "experience" of being wrong on fundamental decision-making.
- have "experience" of LYING even while on their campaign!!!
- have "experience" of recently getting friendly with the Bush crime family.

They're all CFR puppets too, EVERY candidate. So no matter who you vote for, the interests of the Morgans, Chases, Rockefellas, Halliburton, Exxon, etc. will all be paramount in the next government. No matter who you vote for, we'll still be taking another step down the same path that these people control... and they DO control it.

Hillary lost my respect the weekend before the Ohio primary. I am a 49 yr old white female from Ohio who was never supporting her in this race. However, even though I voted for Obama, up until she decided to unleash her negative "kitchen sink" strategy that weekend before my primary, which I feel really unfairly affected the results by playing the fear card, I would have felt fine about supporting her in Nov. if she became the candidate. That weekend was the beginning of the end of my respect for "that woman."

I'm 60 and Barack has my vote. I will not vote for any Democrat ever if Clinton gets the nomination. Why bother because this country will be as good as gone if either Clinton or McBush get the Presidency.

Hil'liar, --I believe when she said, "when I heard of Martin L. Kings death, I went into my dorm room and threw my books across the room", is another dream of hers

I'm from Canada and I'm pissed about the international policy USA are doing.Clintons and Bushes are the same ole shit. The world is starting to collapse because the capitalism as gone out of control 20 years ago.

Bush as plan the attack of WTC back in Septembre 11th and he is still your "Commander in chief" mouhahaha I guess you deserve it if you cannot see what had happen that day. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was right when he said the incident of 9/11 looks very weird. Bush should sit on a chair, but not in the white house, one with electricity on it but....a nuclear central only for him to make sure he'll be totally fried!

The proof, technology as brought us faster way to produce shitty goods instead of improving reliability to avoid thrashing everything you buy 30 days after.

Obama will probably not do any better but at least, we've already try a clinton and it didn't solve anything at all

Vote for whoever you want. But remember how proud we were of Clinton's accomplishment. How we hated his unfair crucifiction!

Don't drift away from that.

I had read almost all of the comments above when it hit me -- most of those for Clinton are parroting the Clinton (and conservative blog) negative talking points; most of those for Obama are talking positively about why they think he can win, should be the candidate, should be the president, etc.

I'm a 56 y.o. feminist woman who would love to be able to vote for a woman candidate - but I won't vote for just any woman candidate -- or vote for her just because she is a woman, either. I liked Hillary Clinton when Bill was in the WH -- she helped bring good caring people to his administration initially (notable example Peter Edelman at DHHS). Sadly, many left as Clinton administration moved to the right. And both Clintons continued to move to the right ---pushing NAFTA and other so-called free trade agreements on us, helping send jobs overseas. And for HRC - voting for Bush's war.

The US needs a new direction, new energy, and new thoughts. I've watched to see who works in and on behalf of the Clinton campaign, and it's not the progressive thinkers -- those have primarily moved to Obama.

I guess I'll have to join "White Haired Women for Obama".

When I was 19; the first president I voted for was Bill Clinton. Funny, when he was running, he was really going after the young vote. Now that his wife is running, now they (younger votes) are not that savory. hmmmmm I'm glad I'm older and wiser now. My vote is for Obama. It's really time for the Clintons to go away.

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I LIVE IN BROWARD COUNTY Florida, (A CLINTON STRONG HOLD), Obama Open a Campaign Office yesterday, it was pack people had to stand out side. Approximately HALF of THE Volunteers WAS Between 50 to 72 years old. MOST OF THEM RECENTLY SWITCH because they saw Bill and Hillary Consistently lying about the BOSNIA Sniper incident, among other stuff….!

One 65 year old woman, stood out side, said she know the Clintons for many years and Encourage EVERY BODY to take a look at this http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8464923602139974671&hl=en

OMGGGGG YOU GUYS ARE SO MISINFORMED ABOUT OBAMA...GO CHECK UP HIS HISTORY...Go do some background info checks before you convince yourselves that he's a saint. Even though the Clintons have lied about many things but seriously...ask yourselves, which politian hasn't lied to get to where they are now. I mean seriously... This is why politics is so messed up. You can never depend on any of them. & go do more background info checks on the other candidates before you start blasting them. They're only human...it's not like, given the same situation you would be COMPLETELY honest about everything. That's just ridiculous and impossible. ANYWAYS let's just face the fact that the candidates are all idiots and none of them should win. Don't get caught up in Obama's hype and don't let the prejudices of the Clintons waver your opinions. I mean seriously... who cares what the other people have to say about them. All in all it comes down to who would make a better candidate. And if you really cared, then go do info checks. By info checks I dont mean go on wikipedia and type in "Barack Obama" or "Hillary Clinton." Actually go in depth and find out yourself if they're worth it. By the way, who are we to judge what kind of person the candidates are? Humans are more than capable of changing. I know there are many contradictions in this whole paragraph but I just had to say what i felt.

I'm over 40 and I wouldn't vote for either Clinton or the empty suit racist period....ever!. It's amazing how the media has turned on the clintons when just 8 years ago they were media darlings...But Barack the empty suit racist is now the main course for the leftist main stream media.

I'd love some of these so called intelligent youthful educated voters to tell me what Obama is going to do. So far everything he's said has been empty rhetoric. His spending plan has already been proven to be a total farce. He's associated with middle east racketeers, a communist from Hawaii, A terrorist from illinois, a racist america hating minister, and an anti Semite in Farakhan...nice candidate!

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