Bill Clinton: Older voters too savvy to fall for Obama
QUAKERTOWN, Pa. -- Older voters gravitate to Hillary Clinton because they're too wise to be fooled by Barack Obama's rhetoric, former president Bill Clinton told Pennsylvania voters today.
Clinton's comments, to a packed high school gym about an hour north of Philadelphia, were one part presidential politics and one part legacy protection. His beef was with Obama's contention that many of the problems facing the country today were simmering long before President Bush took office seven-plus years ago.
"I think there is a big reason there's an age difference in a lot of these polls," he said. "Because once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there's not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when I was president, and in this decade."
"So I think it's important that we get to the truth of this," Clinton continued, going on to compare his and Bush's record on jobs, family incomes, and other measures.
Last week, however, Clinton seemed to suggest that older voters might be more absent-minded than wise. Defending Hillary Clinton's faulty recollection of landing under sniper fire during a 1996 humanitarian visit to Bosnia, the former president said of her critics, "When they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11 o'clock at night, too."
At various points in his nearly hour-long appearance at Quakertown Community High School, Clinton cautioned the hundreds gathered to hear him against voting on history. (His defense of his White House record notwithstanding, of course.) Despite press coverage about how historic a campaign this is, Clinton said, "the history doesn't amount to a hill of beans. All that matters is the future. Who will make the best future for you?"
And later, after he had run through, in great detail, the ins and outs of America's foreign and domestic policy challenges, Clinton returned to the theme of substance versus abstraction. Hillary Clinton, he said, would be a "servant leader," and voters had to decide whether that was more important than electing a "symbolic leader." "You gotta decide," he said, as if he had laid out even arguments for each.
I'm an older voter and I am not for Hilary.
Well, I'm 46 and I've lived long enough to recognize the Clinton mendacity. Fortunately, I'm also smart enough to sense Hillary's total insincerity . Quite frankly, Hillary has to bank on stupidity to get any support at all. Oh well, it doesn't matter. The only one that doesn't know Hillary is done is Hillary herself.
I'm 62, wiser than he is, and he's full of cr*p, not to put too fine a point on it.
I'm 66 years old. Bill Clinton has his head up his you-know-what.
Good job, Bill! Marginalize and ridicule the younger voters so that they vote for Obama in droves.
Most of the people in the younger generation that actually vote are very well informed and intellegent, college educated people. Older voters tend to be stuck in thier mindset, less intellegent, and sometimes senile. That is the reason they vote for Hillary
Older voters that are paying attention know the Clinton's are divisive liars. They understand why Obama will make a superior commander and chief. Several elders are not being fooled by the media or the Clintons.
I'm an older voter and I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me.
I'm a younger voter and I'm voting for Hillary.
So I suppose some young people aren't easily fooled, while Nancy's comment indicates that even some older voters will fall for the StarPowerCandidate.
I am an older voter and I agree with Bill. And I do support HIllary.
He is wrong.
I knew all the hatred from Hillary was because Obama blamed the Clintons in his speech in San Francisco. Those Clintons are vengeful, mean spirited and elitist. They treated Bill Richardson the same way. I hate them.
I am over 40 and I go for Obama.
It's a new century and if the American people don't evolve, our country will go the way of the other great empires that preceded us. HRC is a direct link to the old way of thinking and the old way of doing business. That has served nobody well but the rich and entitled of this country--HRC herself included.
No man is the "answer" but Barack Obama at least offers us the opportunity to try something new. My God, how could we do any worse than we're doing?
I'm a 62 year old white woman that won't be voting for Hillary. It seems that Bill thinks the same thing about younger voters that Hillary thinks about caucus states. They really don't matter
Too savvy??? Hmm...or is it just that older (white) voters are not ready to vote for a black candidate?
I am so sick of the Clintons divisive politics. To suggest that only bamboozeld and hoodwinked ignorant supporters fall for Obama is ridiculous. Obama supporters , like me, are extremely knoweledgeble on politics, policies, and why we support Senator Obama for president of the UNITED states. How can we have a president for these UNITED states as divisive as Senator Clinton. Please... I really hope PA overlook the Clintons' ridiculous claims and vote for Obama.
Lets end this madness...PLEASE
It is because I am older that I'm going for Barack.
I too am elderly and am not for Hillary! What hasn't snowed me is the fact that I don't think the Clinton's have moral fiber or a moral compass. the number of lies, half truths, sexual escapades of Bill, etc., thru the years led me to believe that neither understands truth. I trust neither Clinton, and I was neutral 3 months ago, at lest until Hillary and Bill bagan their attacks and lost focus on ther issues.
I too am elderly and am not for Hillary! What hasn't snowed me is the fact that I don't think the Clinton's have moral fiber or a moral compass. the number of lies, half truths, sexual escapades of Bill, etc., thru the years led me to believe that neither understands truth. I trust neither Clinton, and I was neutral 3 months ago, at lest until Hillary and Bill bagan their attacks and lost focus on ther issues.
Is Bill on the Obama Campaign's payroll?
Older voters are too wise to be fooled by Bill Clinton’s imprudent rhetoric. It’s said to see the Clintons carry on in this ignoble, make that, trashy way.
Iraqi born Rezko is Obama’s friend of 17 years and a well known mob figure.
Rezko served on Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign finance committee and raised more than $14 million, according to Federal Election Commission records, helping send Obama to Washington in 2004.
The Chicago Sun Times reports: ‘As state senator Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14M from taxpayers to build apartments’.
Obama told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he's known Rezko, "I've never done any favors for him.''
How does Obama get away with this? Where is the media on this unbelievable topic?
I am older and wiser, and certainly not for Hillary.
Like the previous 2, I also am an older voter and i prefer Obama. Hillary does not come across as really caring but more as an opportunist.
wow, good for you
That's because you are not savvy! ... and her name is spelled Hillary not Hilary.
I'm 40 years old - does that make me an older voter? I was in 20s and 30s during the Clinton years, and yes, I thought they were great. But those were Bill's years, his cabinet's years - not Hillary's. Seems to me that she is claiming a lot more credit than she possibly deserves, and I am tired of being told that I am shallow for preferring Obama. She needs to let it go - it's time for new blood...
I'm getting older, and i'm getting bitter because of people like Bill and HIllary. It's patronizing and slightly 'elitist' to suggest that young people don't know phony politicians like Hillary when they see them.
Yeah, anyone can be the president if he/she gives good speech and put the "CHANGE" sign up; come on down ya all.
My 80-year-old Dad supports Obama. He knows wisdom when he sees it.
Oooooooooooooooooh, I see, and these comments are not condescending to the younger voters in our society? So, Obama is "elitist" with his comments, but this is not? There are many voters out there who do look at history, which as we all know, repeats itself! We have voters from ages 18 to who knows how old - let's hear all voices in the vote - my feeling is the younger ones are our future and their voice is very important (and I am not in that young generation, either - I am one of the "older ones", oh and for Obama)
Saying that older voters will go for Hillary because they're "wiser" is pretty damned elitist, and ageist. It implies that young people are too gullible and can't tell the real from the fantasy.
If the Clintons are going to point fingers and cry "eliteist!" they'd better be prepared to defend themselves. I have a hard time listening to someone worth $109 million, telling me someone else is eliteist.
I am not a very old voter and I am for Hilary too. So I guess it's a tosss up, do you want retoric or do you want substance?
hillary - can't take care her man, can't take care of our country
Obama can't win by backing away from his earlier statements. He should go forward instead saying, "Yes, small-town America is bitter. They're bitter because their jobs are disappearing, their property values and falling and their children are serving in a no-win war. We need to fix that." That way he moves the focus off his supposed "elitism" and onto the grievances that he is in the race to resolve.
Elitist? No....
I'm a white woman and I'm about the same age as Hillary so I guess that means I'm Bill Clinton's idea of an older voter. It also means that I'm old enough to remember all of Hillary and Bill's ethical lapses. So, I'm for Obama. I'm also old enough to notice that Hillary's working to make sure Obama won't get elected in the fall so she can run again in four years. I'm too old to be fooled by either Clinton.
Why does the press work overtime to harm the only viable female candidate for President in the history of this country?
The press is not manhandling Obama; he enjoys free access to the press. And he NEEDS it to continue to try and counter all his increasing inconsistencies in style, remarks, honesty and abilities.
Obama pays a fortune for that access to the media. That is why he was back in SF hitting up donors for more money in his recent debauch.
Outspending Hilary 2 to 1 for a minor fraction of a tenuous edge of the vote. One that is in itself a fiction since Michigan and Florida are not being counted. So please don't anyone kid yourself about all that.
Why does it take so much money to convince people to vote for him?
That is a VERY GOOD question. That is the real question that everyone INCLUDING the press should be asking. They won't since they want to stay on track with the gravy train. If there was no burning story about it then the money pot would dry up.
It is by the way the same question his donors asked.
Well it may be the old school rule applies here; you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time.
The truth is electing obama is about obama not about our country...
Its about him being black, his stories, his book, his minister, his wife, his disatisfaction with our country, his high brow view of himself, -etc...
Since when did being a community organizer become a resume booster for president? Helping out the neighbor folks that relate to you, people who have nowhere to turn and need to rely on you is not a solid performance indicator. Especially when the man doing it already has big political aspirations and ambitions. He was looking for ways to get attention to pad his resume in that regard.
These are all good reasons why we will continue to see a breech in obama's hull. It won't hold water because it is not made of the materials it says it is. The label is disingenuous.
Hilary may not always get what she wants, when she wants it but she does not stop trying or cave in.
What amazes me more than anything is how rude, unforgiving, uninformed and lacking in understanding all the Americans for obama really are. What does that tell you? Birds of a feather flock together. That is spooky. They continue to buy and sell the same bull---- until way past time for the cows to come home. The media is laughing all the way to the bank!$
I'm young to middle aged and supporting Obama. Thanks for calling me stupid Bill! I won't forget it if your candidate wins.
The reason that people are going for Obama is that he is a different name then Bush or Clinton. Something new. Cool. What a lot of people do not understand is that Clinton has double the brains that Obama has and has the experience and the connections to get things done for this country. Bush has sold out America to the Chinese and the Saudi's. All young people in the country will be paying for what he has done over the last 8 years for the rest of their lives. The U.S. is on the verge of becoming a third world country if we do not reverse our present course. Clinton can change our course. Obama will only make it worse by throwing money at his own personal causes and not fixing the main problems that the U.S. has. Do your kids a favor and vote for Clinton.
I'm over 50 and I don't trust Hillary. I'll put my support on Obama.
I am a young voter and m in for Hillary.
I'm 62. I have forgot a few things, but I wouldn't forget running crouched down under sniper fire. That kind of thing puts an indelible mark on your brain. She has forgot a lot of things when it's in her favor. She and Willie are just plain liars.
He's speaking in general terms. There is a trend of older voters voting for Hillary.
Obama scares me. He's only a first term Senator who's bailing out to become president. His understanding of this country and the presidential position is only as good as the people who write his speeches. He would make a good candidate in 8 years. He should build up his history as a Senator first. After 8 years of this disaster in the whitehouse we need someone who knows what they're doing. The country is in no position to take chances and hope he's for real.
So Bill's saying that younger voters are stupid? That younger voters have less at stake? That younger voters can't be trusted to see "Bill's version of the truth"? Wow.
I'm an older and wiser voter and I see that Barack Obama is the best one for the future of our country.
We don't want to turn back the clock to the Clinton White House OR to Senator McCain whose experiences are from MY era, the Vietnam War policy.
I want OBAMA's view for the future of our country and the world.
I'm an older voter and I am for Hilary.
I am older too. I remember that Bill Clinton was against
NAFTA before he was for it.
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow....vote Obama.
I am a 77 year old retired lady....Hillary is not my choice. My vote did and will go to Obama.
Given that the odds are against his wife winning the nomination, and that Obama will most probably be the Democratic candidate, I wonder how it is that an intelligent politician such as Bill Clinton is prepared to burn bridges and make such public statements. All of this is ammunition to the Republicans, Mr. Clinton.
In general a candidate would you want surrogates to throw out these barbs, so that they can distance themselves from them if need be and so that they don't come back to haunt them. But in the case of the Clintons Bill is no ordinary surrogate: he cannot afford to be making these statement without hurting the party, himself, and probably his wife in the long term.
"Older voters" (as a demographic) aren't too "savvy" to vote for Obama, they are too racist to vote for Obama. And before people take issue with that remark, yes of course that doesn't apply to every older person, but I also know that basically every person over 60 in my family (white and Southern) still uses the "N word" and still gets worried when black people are around, and they would all have a fit if I were to bring home a black girlfriend. Face the facts, the older generation is still quite racist.
I agree with Bill Clinton ... Hillary is older and does forget things when she is tired at 11 o'clock at night. It would be terrible for her to have to answer the phone at 3 AM.
This is a ridiculous article.
I prefer Obama because his analyses are more insightful and his positions are more nuanced and show greater integrity . (Before this campaign, I admired Bill Clinton for similar reasons). And I am the same age as Bill Clinton.
Bill needs to be quiet The more he talks, the more damaged he is done to his reputation and his wife's campaign.
Ditto. I remember how much we paid as taxpayers so that Bill could redefine the term "sexual relations". Now, Hillary wants to redefine "sniper fire" and "elitist". Let's redefine the word "enough", with a vote!
What time does older start? How old do we have to be not to fall for Obama? I stood in line with all kinds of you young people to hear Obama and stood next to and with people who remember being your age when John Kennedy was running.
So you think we elders are lacking in penetrating political insight and wisdom and would vote for some stonewalling dissembler and NOT fall for an inspiring visionary who is basically a gift from the timeless to this poor burdened earth?
Really, when Obama was here, he filled up the athletic stadium and had to stop and talk to the overflow crowd coz they weren't going away. There were white haired people right next to college students.
So I don't know what elders you are talking about. I heard about a 75-year-old woman who waited seven hours to hear Obama in person even though she knows the stump speech by heart. It was cold out too. I heard that next day she couldn't wak but she was feeling really happy.
Anecdotes are better than data. Love is better than cyncism.
I too am an older voter that has not fallen for the Clinton's manipulation and lying.
i,m a older voter and can remember the clinton mis-deeds when they were in the whitehouse, missing files, missing fbi files, renting out bedrooms, sacking the whitehouse, pardon marc rich, sell secrets to china, no more clintons for me.
what the heck is a servant leader? one can read that two ways. we know what way he means it!
I am a young voter, and I am not for Barack.
It is true that Obama's strongest supporters are naivetes who spend their time discussing lofty ideals instead of having exposed real hardships and tribulations.
You can't run a country based on books or ideals, and you definitely cannot unite people with a forked tongue.
Obama's machinations know no limit.
If he has a single gram of integrity in his body, he will do the honorable thing and drop out and apologize for making a mockery of the political process.
Bill is older and not so smart...
If your younger (I'm not) you are offended by the patronizing comment...
If your older and for Barack - (like I'm retired) - you want some hope from a new face who will think in real time, act in the citizens interest, give hard messages when the news is not so good, and lead.
It's a good thing all those non-savvy types fell for Martin Luther King Jr. when he was in his 30's. Where would we be right now if they had all listened to the politicians?
I find it strange how politicians discount the older voters that are progressive and worked hard behind the scenes everyday to initiate change in the civil rights movement, women's suffrage, and the end to the Vietnam war.
Despite what Bill might think neither Hillary nor Obama will change Washington. We will.... and all we want is a leader to help us on the way.
Maybe we older citizens don't have perfect recall, but this geezer remembers the lying and deceit of the Clinton years. The Clintons haven't changed. If fact we have already seen a lot of things so typical of Bill's administration in Hillary's presidential campaign. I'm ready to retire both Hillary and Bill, and will work to make this happen.
I'm an older voter for Obama. Clinton and Bush are similar- Clinton gave us NAFTA- Bush wants to extend it to Columbia. Everything we buy today comes from other countries ( mostly China). Millions of workers have lost jobs because of this policy. Bill Clinton did not help the blue collar worker. Neither did Bush.
In other words, those of us who have not yet reached retirement age are naive and have somehow been duped? Gosh, talk about elitist...
Hmm, so anyone under 50 is stupid and gullible?
Way to insult a chunk of the population again Bill.
... you don't hear Obama trying to make the case that folks over 50 are senile and easily duped. Why doesn't this get slammed on a similar scale to the bitter remark?
Hillary lies,cheats, attempts to subvert the constitution, deep sixes case precedent files, writes a new brief as if there were no precedent. She was dismissed from the watergate legal committee, and probably would have been disbarred if she presented hrer brief to a judge, Senator Clinton is a life long liar and cheater and is not to be trusted. Go to Google and enter the key word Jeffrey Zeifmann and read the whole story
Yes, Nancy, and there are young voters who are not for Obama!
I have been at the Barack Obama campaign headquarters several times and there are plenty, PLENTY of old people. These are obviously unsavvy old people, right Bill?
Does this means young are stupid? Clinton is using words to his advantage. Clinton era has ended, we need new era... not same old history.
My husband is 68 years old and I am 57. We have both voted for Obama and will in the general election as well. Bill Clinton is stretching it. Not all older people are stuck in the idea of repeating the past. And agreeing with the the Clintons is not established as a test of "wisdom." What an absolute BS'er he is.
So condescending to younger voters. The idea that because I'm in my twenties I am being fooled by Obama is insulting to myself and to Senator Baraack Obama.
So, why are the better educated going for Obama? Old people aren't stupid, but they're apparently less informed these days.
Probably because so many don't use the internet at all. I should know. I'm young enough to be the grandchild of anyone I have taught in my free community computer classes, and I've used a computer for the last two decades. I just hope that more of them sign up, learn, and read the news. My own grandmother refuses to touch a computer, and has no idea about any of the stuff going on. She tells me about "news" that's "brand new" weeks after I first hear about it.
If all I read were Fox, ABC, or CNN's sites, I can see how I would come to many wrong conclusions. Fortunately, I can compare thousands of news sources and examine those facts which both liberal and conservative news sources leave out. Of course, that usually tells me more about the paper than the story...
Hmmm... so all of the younger voters "gravitate" towards Obama because they're stupid enough to fall for his rhetoric? That doesn't sound very intelligent. I also don't see how he can call Obama a "symbolic" leader, as if suggesting he wouldn't actually do anything if he were elected...
Ditto. Not for The Clintons because I'm still not over paying $40 million as a taxpayer just so that Bill Clinton could redefine the term "sexual relations". Now Hillary wants to redefine the terms "sniper fire" and "elitist". I am redefining "enough" with the privilege of a vote.
Hillary Clinton has respect for the intelligence of the people she represents She is what we at 60 know to be an intelligent representation of each one of us who have made serious changes in our lives to insure the future. We have spent our lives making sure the earth was respected. She has been a mother and a challenging loving wife. Able to withstand all the onslaught of the opposite parties attack of her and Bill. She is human and we are known to error and learn something from our mistakes as Bill has done. Hillary will represent all of us as our President and we are proud to know she will lead this country towards a future of prosperity and consciousness.
I am a 67 year old woman & I am not supporting Hillary Clinton. I resent Pres. Clinton's comments. I may be old in years but my thinking is young & modern.
I do not wish to return to the Clinton years with all its drama.
I will proudly vote for Sen. Obama.
The goal is to widen the appeal of a candidate not shoo younger voters out the door.
What is he suggesting? That younger voters are fools?
I AM for Hillary. I'm am an older voter as well ….I remember the Clinton years....you may not like them but they (he) managed to clean up Bush Sr.'s mess and got us out of debt and into prosperity.
I don't give a hoot about Bosnia or Monica, just part of the human condition.........lets get back to balanced budgets and prosperity for all. Saddle up!
I think by older voters, he means the ones with Alzheimers.
Scott, you're a lame brain. "Once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years" - this is very true for me. My problem with the GenY boosters is the Bush years are the only political climate they've ever known, and they want to childishly indulge in the fantasy that somehow the blame for the last 7 years of Bush hell is somehow transferable to the Clintons. It ain't.
Wiser voters are going to want an *actual* point of reference, therefore wiser individuals are *not* going to sit there and listen to somebody tell you that crap.
I supported Bill Clinton as president in spite of his shoddy personal behavior. However, his words and conduct during this campaign have hurt him, his legacy, Hillary and the Democratic Party. If the Democrats lose the election both he and Hillary will have made a major contribuion to that defeat. It is time for them to recognize the realities and withdrawal from this race.
Scott, you're a lame brain. "Once you've reached a certain age, you won't sit there and listen to somebody tell you there's really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years" - this is very true for me. My problem with the GenY boosters is the Bush years are the only political climate they've ever known, and they want to childishly indulge in the fantasy that somehow the blame for the last 7 years of Bush hell is somehow transferable to the Clintons. It ain't.
Wiser voters are going to want an *actual* point of reference, therefore wiser individuals are *not* going to sit there and listen to somebody tell you that crap.
I'm 78 and I like the way Obama handles himself even in bad situations, I'm voting for him. Hillary is in 2nd place, McCain is the war man.... no vote from me ever.
I once had a great deal of respect and admiration for the Clintons.... but I'm older now and I get that they don't tell the truth; that they will say anything to get what they want; that they are in bed with major corporations and can be bought; that they have run an awful campaign.
Count this Grandma with Obama.
$109 mil in five years!! Are these organizations investing in the Clintons to collect when Hillary becomes the president? It makes you wonder, especially with Mark Penn and Bill both supporting the Columbia trade.
One tends to forget who it is we are voting for between the Clinton family.. There's mother, father and daughter, all on the old campain trail, all running their own little election speaches and appearances against one poor fellow, Obama. Father Clinton implies his wife is bound to forget at 60 yrs, things that happened when she was supposedly under sniper attack.! It makes one wonder if she will be able to rush out of bed to answer the phone at 3:00am - or will it be Mr Clinton that takes the call? Whichever way, I do wish they would all stop their petty snipes at each other. It's undignified for a future Pesident of the United States, whomever that turns out to be, and it makes the whole American political system look foolish and juvenile to our International friends.
I'm old too - 65 - old enough to remember being inspired by a presidential candidate - Bobby Kennedy, whom we never got a chance to elect to office.
Since then, it's been slim pickings - Bill Clinton included, though he's arguably the best president since FDR. But he wasn't a great president because he relied on triangulation rather than promoting consensus and unity, and the last two years of his eight were completely worthless, because they were tainted by his sexual escapades and a complete polarization of right and left - a polarization he was unable to stop because he was its primary cause.
Which left the rest of us - those of us caught in the middle - completely ignored, while politicians fiddled away another eight years.
Trust an old guy: the past is indeed prologue.
Hillary Clinton would move us back into the same polarized, paralyzed politics. As a victim of that, she seems trapped in it and despite her stated commitment to "change that works," she lacks the skills (or any real commitment to anything besides becoming president) to actually DO anything.
I am eager to give Barack Obama a chance. We have nothing to lose by choosing hope over despair, unity over politics, change over four more years of name-calling and polarization.
Obama is nearly all "talk." He has done very little in his lifetime compared to Clinton. Both espouse similar view points on the major headlines in 2007 and 2008. Who do I trust to get the job done and who do I believe has the best plan and backing to get it done gets my vote. Hillary is the right choice.
So Bill tells us that, " the history doesn't amount to a hill of beans." and expects
people to believe that ?
Bill came to our town for what was represented by the Clinton campaign as a
'" town hall meeting". He was over an hour late, spoke to the audience for
about an hour and a half, and left without taking any questions from the audience. Essentially, the audience heard a 'lecture' - complete with a few
pointed finger wags - as to why we shouldn't vote for Barack Obama.
Barack came to town for what was represented as a 'town hall meeting', spoke
for 25 minutes about national AND our local issues. Then actually DID conduct a townhall meeting - taking questions from the audience and answering them completely.
I'm an older voter who is fed up with the devisiveness, and 'misrepresentatoin of the truth' by our current administration in D.C. I won't be voting for Hillary.
I suppose if we were already old when we could hear (with our hearing aids) that President Clinton saying, "I did not have sex with that woman," we are probalby really, really really old now, probably too old to remember what that president did to his family?
O yes, how's about you define reality for us. We are too old to know the difference?
I think Bill is absolutely right. Some kids these days wouldn't know South America from South Africa. Ask any of your college kids and see how many would respond correctly where is Peru. Perhaps 1% would respond correctly. We can't entrust our country to these young idiots coming out of colleges. They may not know Peru but they sure know their beers. That, they are proud of.
So Bill tells us that, " the history doesn't amount to a hill of beans." and expects
people to believe that ?
Bill came to our town for what was represented by the Clinton campaign as a
'" town hall meeting". He was over an hour late, spoke to the audience for
about an hour and a half, and left without taking any questions from the audience. Essentially, the audience heard a 'lecture' - complete with a few
pointed finger wags - as to why we shouldn't vote for Barack Obama.
Barack came to town for what was represented as a 'town hall meeting', spoke
for 25 minutes about national AND our local issues. Then actually DID conduct a townhall meeting - taking questions from the audience and answering them completely.
I'm an older voter who is fed up with the devisiveness, and 'misrepresentatoin of the truth' by our current administration in D.C. I won't be voting for Hillary.
and their devisiveness
How insulting and uninspiring to young voters. As someone in my twenties I find it not only irresponsible, but, yes, elitist, to suggest that we are not adults but merely easily led and fooled sheep.
Bill Clinton is a fool to distance the youth. If anything, they are the future, and they are the ones that will be dealing with the consequences of what happens today.
We have the same responsibilities as anyone else. We have similar trials and tribulations. We have experience and knowledge.
More importantly, as the polls would show, the youth - most whom have lived under Clinton and Bush - have a voice that is screaming 'NO' to another 8 years of the same two families running this country.
The voters do have to decide. The media and candidate handlers should not be who decides. Let all the primary voters decide.
So what about the stat. that says Obama is in the lead among college educated voters.
Young people are for Obama because we are not indoctrinated. We use our analytical reasoning, not some emotional connection to decide who we're voting for.
Bill is 1/2 right. Older voters are not fooled by his and his wife's lies. Those of us who have senior moments do not want a "girl" who :"forgets" when she is sleep deprived. Of course, maybe older voters do not get all the news in small towns and somehow forgot that Bill is a known liar and womanizer. Most of us are astute enough to use the internet and know her "11PM" oops, I did not run through sniper firer in Bosnia were told more than once.
Any older voter voting for Clinton's are the reason we have terrible government. 19 year olds know Bush/Clinton dynasty is bad; most know Bill is opting for an illegal 3rd term.
Uh.....Bill....
I lived through yours and Hillary's 11 year reign in Arkansas and all of the controversies and scandals - they didn't call you Slick Willy for nothing...
I lived through 8 years of the Clintons in the white house and all of the controversies and scandals - they called you and Hillary many things for various reasons.
I have lived through the primaries of 2004 and watched you and your DLC bash another campaign which, if it won, would keep Hillary from running until 2012.
I have watched the Clintons this time around lie and push republican talking points and say anything to get elected - bash old friends for endorsing Obama, and display relentless attacks as they battle from behind in a contest that they are sure to lose.
I have watched you, Bill, this season take every opportunity to rewrite your history and attempt to re-do your legacy.
Today - I'm 43 years old and I can honestly say that after all of this......after all of the above.....I'm tired of you and Hillary. After Obama is in the white house, I will push for new legislation that goes beyond limiting a president to two terms in the white house by also including anyone in the immediate family that also lived in the white house. Perhaps this time - after having Bush's and Clinton's in the white house since 1980, we can have some fresh ideas and continue to build our democracy rather than harm it.
If HRC can't win the nomination, the Clinton's will destroy any chance of another Democrat winning. In that situation, the only chance Hillary has is to run again in four more years. The window is closing fast and desperate times times for the Clintons call for despicable measures. If the American people don't have enough sense to move on, we deserve what we get.
I am 47 too old, to be fooled by Hillary and Obambi. Straight talk? Empty rhetoric? Empty promises? We are not electing someone to run the economy, we are electing a President. I am voting for the adult in the bunch: McCain.
Maybe Bill can explain why higher educated voters are heavily favoring Obama over Clinton. Check out Gallup.com for the polling data.
Every time he opens his mouth I believe the crazy idea that he's sabotaging her campaign at every turn. He basically said "Young people are too stupid to vote for my wife." How does that help his wife?
More Clinton backstabbing...
Wasn't it younger voters that put an un-experienced yet hopeful Clinton in to office? Maybe Obama needs to play sax on MTV? The Clintons need to shut up and go spend some of their ill gotten millions before Obama taxes it out of them... Good bye Hillary!
I'm 60 and I'm for Obama. Here's why I did not vote for Hillary (I would o so, relunctantly, if she were the nominee. I;m in international business and work in many countries. Bush, the Clintons, Reagan, McCain were or are all clueless as to what constitutes "free trade",,,,what we have been doing the past 30 years has been shipping our designs and having them made in China, Mexico, Indonesia, etc. because of the cheap labor but this is NOT FREE TRADE. These are American companies doing the outsourcing or "processing" which is the word the Chinese have for it. Even they are getting tired of playing second fiddle to US companies...nearly a trillion dollars of their GDP is in "processing" products for others...the government now wants to encourage home-grown Chinese products and then market and export them world-wide...they are tired of dealing with WalMart and their pricing...the pressure...they feel the whole country, China, has become one big sweat shop and they are right and are ready to move beyond that....now back to the Clintons here is why I could not trust Hillary to do anything else but be a limo driver for Wall St. and the military/energy complex:
1) NAFTA - sold to them by Wall St. and then to us as a North American version of
the European Union..they were totally clueless as to what the EU is and how it works...the EU is about raising the standards on all levels, ensuring competition and having everyone benefit in all member countries...NAFTA is about lowering the standards and NOT creating a Mexican middle class, which we so desparately need to help end our immigration connundrum. Only Wall St. benefited.
2) Bill did not veto the Telecommunications Act of 1996 which led to further consolidation of the media and allowing it grow in to the right-wing noise machine that it is today.
3) Signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act in 1999. Sandy Wiel, then CEO of Citibank, must have had a gun pointing to Cinton's head or else the Rhodes scholar never read his history of the Great Depression as to why this most important bank regulation Act was passed to begin with. By deregulating the banks and allowing them to pretty much do as they pleased in getting involved in stocks and "debt instruments" Clinton helped create the Dot.com Bubble and now the housing bubble....The banks were allowed to speculate in the stock markets in a way that was unimmaginable before, creating a class of broker/day traders with billions at their disposal....no regulation and we are all in peril.
I'm a 70 year old white female Republican who will be voting for Obama. If the people in Pennsylvania aren't bitter, they should be. At least with Obama there is the promise of change.
Keith.... hmm, Hillary with twice the brains as Obama?
I think you loose on this count. While we may have a Harvard Yale arguement on our hands, Obama was near the top of his class at Harvard and was the head of the Harvard Review- similar honors at Yale which Hillary is lacking. And if you think Obama's speaches are the works of hacks, think again. He wrote his first book all by himself after graduating from Law School, before holding political office and with a modest advance given his unique achievements at Harvard. And for the comment that Obama was somehow padding his resume in his grand plot to become president (instead of being on boards of and working for big companies like Hillary ...which apparently is a much nobler and wiser experience according to you) by helping the poor and unemployed- boy, we could use a lot more of that sort of 'resume padding' in our country!
Baraaaaaaaaack Obaaaaaaaama has a hidden racist agenda and that's why he caters to self acknowledged racists like Bill Richardson of NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEw Mexicoooooooooooooooooooo. I can only hope that whoever of the three stooges running for president, whether it's moe (Obama), Larry, (Hilary), or curly joe (MCcain), that there is a tiny bit of sense left in the congress and senate to override veto's on important issues regarding the liberal agenda and especially IMMIGRATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! I'm an old geezer, 54 years old and I'm not fooled by any of themmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Or any of the liberal youngsters who vote for themMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Your wrong Bill! I'm 72.
This man is an idiot. His lehacy has gone to the dogs, and he has himself to thank for it.
I cant wait till Indiana votes, the Clintons are reviled in this state. I grew up in a small town where Vince Foster went to school and many here believe the Clintons were responsible in part for his "suicide". Not too mention the fact that we've lost nearly 100,000 jobs since her hubby pushed NAFTA through. People in towns like mine w/ 10,000 people in them ARE BITTER. The last three presidents have done NOTHING to help us, people are forced to sell drugs or worse to make ends meet and to pay their bills, There are also alot of 30 somethings who remember Bills promise of 4 free years of college and you see where that went..
I'm 58 and I, uh, let me see now. I forgot. Who's this Bill guy anyway?
Deb may be extremely "knoweledgeble" about politics and policies, but she needs to learn to spell what she's so proud of being prior to posting comments. Another "knoweledgeble" product of the American educational system no doubt.
I'm 55 and I am NOT voting for Mrs. Clinton. I remember the 90's very well and have no desire to go back there with the Clintons in the White House.
Seems to me like older voters are more reluctant to go for something that is unknown. I mean it ws older voters who allowed Bush to win against Kerry.
I think that old people like those who support Mc Cain and Clinton are unfortunately in a state of denial. They think that they have perspective solely because of age, but at least from what I've seen from my republican wing of my family, who has benefited from the Bush years and Clinton years (whether they want to admit it or not) can't identify with Obama because they perceive him as idealistic. In anycase, as a young voter I want someone who presents idealism and optimism. These aspirations are likely to produce some positive results. Bush has been fear mongering for the last 8 years and Hillary is running on a dream that passed with the presidency of Bill. Clinton. I really liked her universl health care aspirations.
and yet, he seems to be forgetting that Senator Obama has a commanding lead amongst those with college education and further... If his argument is that those voting for Senator Obama are just to unintelligent to see through the rhetoric, then he would seem to be way off base in this situation.
I'm one of the few Pennsylvania Residents on any Political Party that has a decent job left and I'm 55 years old. Hillary & Billy & Georgie have shipped the jobs overseas or across the borders for the past 2 decades and that is why many Pennsylvania Voters are bitter and tired of the Political Rhetoric of Hillary and for that matter John McCain. Barack Obama is in touch with reality. Hillary and McCain are part of the problem!!!
On Tuesday April 22nd, I will be casting my vote for BARACK OBAMA the candidate of the 21st Century.
Go Bama Go!!!
Yeah, Vietnam, Korea, the Cold War, Jim Crow, FBI illegal wiretaps (since the 1950s), Japanese camps, Reaganomics, gulf war II....etc etc
Yeah, old people know exactly what they're doing. Great point Billary
Brad@34: That is exactly what Obama is doing. Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc73eM0E3Fs
I was [past tense] for Hillary .. and I'm 53. I used to [past tense] respect the Clintons, a lot. I went to two events and even had a word with them in one of them for a few seconds. These antics, the lack of substance in the Hillary Clinton campaign is beyond ridiculous.
Bill and Hillary aren't jumping the shark - they are baying at the moon. They have lost all credibility with me, and I feel almost ashamed I used to support them.
While I don't think Barack Obama is perfect, at least he isn't FAKE.
Most voters of all ages too savvy to fall for Clinton.
I am one of the old fogies who is voting for the future of America......Obama is the future!
My 91-year-old mother, a former small business owner, just changed her registration in PA so that she could vote for Obama. She doesn't care to endure another Clinton administration.