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Clinton debt larger than reported

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor April 24, 2008 03:13 PM

Hillary Clinton's campaign debt at the end of March was bigger than it appeared because she didn't list the $5 million she loaned herself, a campaign finance watchdog group reported this afternoon.

Clinton, in her filing with the Federal Election Commission, reported that her campaign had $9 million in cash on hand as of March 30, and $10 million in debts.

"The Clinton campaign itemizes its debts to vendors, totaling $10.3 million by the end of last month, but since January, when Clinton infused her campaign with $5 million, the campaign hasn't been adding in that loan when reporting its overall debt to the Federal Election Commission," the Center for Responsive Politics said.

"An FEC representative tells us Clinton's debt to herself, even if she won't be paying it back, should be lumped in with the campaign's debts to others on the first page of the monthly filings, not just listed deeper within her disclosure forms -- that's how the other big self-funder in 2008, Mitt Romney, reported the $42 million he lent himself."

Including the loan would put her debt as of March 30 at $15.3 million, the nonpartisan group said.

Since winning the Pennsylvania primary on Tuesday, Clinton's campaign says it has raised $10 million and counting online.

213 comments so far...
  1. Perhaps her campaign has raised $10 million dollars in 24 hours...$9 million coming from Bill. She's lied to win before and she'll do it again. They'll do anything to win, including supporting themselves and then overstating their "wave" of support.

    When it's do or die a Clinton will lie.

    Posted by Jeremy April 24, 08 03:33 PM
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  1. Did you really think the Clintons would ever change their spots? We,ve always had todissect with a fine tooth comb everything they said,wrote,or did. Do you really want this mess again? Obama or McCain either one, but Please not thoseClintons. The lines and acting of Broadway show are synonymous with what those two have been givin g us for years.

    Posted by joyce gregory April 24, 08 04:06 PM
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  1. I won der why in theabout 10 times I have written something it never appears. Can you tell I am 81 by my tyoing and therefore whayt I say has no value. i wish Obama would bring up the Clinton dscandals like Whitewater but he will not. If she wins I go to Costa Rica.

    Posted by RKT April 24, 08 04:12 PM
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  1. STOP THE DRAMA!!!!!!!! VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!

    Posted by Harold Hicks April 24, 08 04:59 PM
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  1. Well the Republicans has the "TERMINATOR"

    The Democrats has the "OBLITERATOR" and the "DETERMINATOR"

    Posted by paul v April 24, 08 05:03 PM
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  1. Hillary is the better candidate and best positioned to defeat the Republican attack machine in November 2008.

    All the Clinton haters here are just the typical liberal democrats who all they know is figure out a way to lose. Look at Al Gore in 2000 who found a way to lose one of the easiest elections and in 2004 John Kerry found a way to lose to George Bush.

    The difference between these spine-less liberal democrats and the Clintons is that the Clintons know how to win and the Republicans hate them for that. What baffles me is why so many Democrats haven't figured it out. Clinton has won the states that mattered the most to the Democrats...from California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Massachusetts, to Florida etc.....states any Democrat must win to have a shot in the general elections. Obama is winnning states like Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, South Carolina etc... states the Democrats never win and will probably not win in the general election. Give me a break. If the Democrats want to have a President in the White house in January 2009, they need a candidate who will fight to win. They need Hillary Clinton. She will win the big states that count. Mark my words.

    Posted by KingofPopx April 24, 08 05:10 PM
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  1. Who's really suprised that she LIED AGAIN.....and she does it with a smile.

    Posted by Patty April 24, 08 05:12 PM
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  1. Can't wait till I can sing "Ding Dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch, the wicked o' witch. Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go below, below, below."

    Posted by txgal44 April 24, 08 05:21 PM
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  1. The 2000 and 2004 presidential elections were stolen. That should be the biggest concern in the 2008 presidential elections. Does Diebolt have it sewed up?

    Posted by Kristin April 24, 08 05:23 PM
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  1. We'll see in May what the real numbers are...

    Posted by SKS April 24, 08 05:26 PM
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  1. KingofPopx,

    Gore lost in large part because Bill screwed things up so badly with his lying and subsequent impeachment that a navel-gazing, swaggering frat-boy was able to beat a very intelligent and experienced VP. If you think Gore lost because he was a "typical liberal Democrat" take a look at the way the playing field shifted after Bill got nailed LYING to the American people. He ruined it for the next 8 years. Thanks, Bubba! Now you want your shrill wife to take the reins?!?! I think not.

    Posted by Ed April 24, 08 05:27 PM
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  1. "hillary is the better canidate"
    well if you believe that lets vet hillary right now, how about monica lewinsky, how about jennifer , how about all the other "issues" the repubs brought up during the clinton whitehouse.

    Posted by brenda April 24, 08 05:33 PM
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  1. Hillary the liar....

    Born in PA

    Posted by Sheryl April 24, 08 05:44 PM
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  1. The Clintons are once again pulling the bait and switch on the American people. She's counting votes that she knew didn't count and shouldn't count, votes she received when he wasn't even on the ballot. She's praising FOX News as "fair and balanced". I truly wish they would simply join the Republican Party now and put us all out of our misery. The Clintons need to let go of the throne and let our country move on. The 5 million she "forgot" is exactly the reason she didn't want to release the figures until the day before the Pennsylvania primary. Let go Hillary.. It's over!

    Posted by Chad San Diego April 24, 08 05:44 PM
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  1. "the Clintons (sic) know how to win" is funny. She is _not_ winning the primary. Perhaps she has a secret Nixon-like plan to win the general.

    Posted by Alphonse April 24, 08 05:48 PM
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  1. Hillary's electability argument is another myth sponsored by her campaign. Obama is the only one she is ahead of McCain in the sum of the polls.

    RCP Average 04/07 to 04/23 - 44.5% 46.4% Obama +1.9%
    Rasmussen 04/20 - 04/23 1700 LV 45% 47% Obama +2%
    Gallup Tracking 04/19 - 04/23 4385 RV 45% 45% Tie
    USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 1016 A 44% 47% Obama +3%
    Cook/RT Strategies 04/17 - 04/20 802 RV 44% 45% Obama +1%
    Newsweek 04/16 - 04/17 1209 RV 44% 48% Obama +4%
    ABC/Wash Post 04/10 - 04/13 1197 A 44% 49% Obama +5%
    Reuters/Zogby 04/10 - 04/13 1049 LV 45% 45% Tie
    AP-Ipsos 04/07 - 04/09 749 RV 45% 45% Tie
    See More General Election: McCain vs. Obama Polls | Chart

    John McCain (R) vs. Hillary Clinton (D)
    Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Clinton (D) Spread
    RCP Average 04/07 to 04/23 - 45.5% 45.9% Clinton +0.4%
    Rasmussen Tracking 04/20 - 04/23 1700 LV 47% 45% McCain +2%
    Gallup Tracking 04/19 - 04/23 4395 RV 46% 46% Tie
    USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 1016 A 44% 50% Clinton +6%
    Cook/RT Strategies 04/17 - 04/20 802 RV 45% 45% Tie
    Newsweek 04/16 - 04/17 1209 RV 43% 47% Clinton +4%
    ABC/Wash Post 04/10 - 04/13 1197 A 48% 45% McCain +3%
    Reuters/Zogby 04/10 - 04/13 1049 LV 46% 41% McCain +5%
    AP-Ipsos 04/07 - 04/09 749 RV 45% 48% Clinton +3%

    Posted by KQuark April 24, 08 05:53 PM
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  1. Where are her 2007 tax returns?

    Why aren't her papers as First Lady being released from the Clinton Library?

    And speaking of the Clinton Library, where is the donors list?

    Why can't we get straight answers out of this woman?


    Posted by Barbara Soffit April 24, 08 05:57 PM
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  1. Hillary Clinton is ready on day 1...

    to demolish the FEC so no one finds out what she has been up to.

    Posted by Angela April 24, 08 05:58 PM
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  1. For all those who think Hillary is a better candidate to win in November then please tell me why the GOP is going so hard after Obama?

    For the logic to make sense that Hillary is the best against McCain then the GOP would be going after her not him.

    It appears that through all of this support and fanfare Clinton supporters put a deaf ear to one undeniable truth- Hillary Clinton is NOT trustworthy! She might be smart, she might be a fighter and she might have some credentials but she is simply not honest. The Bosina incident is one of many not yet uncovered.

    All Clinton voters are trying to elect a President who is dishonest!!!!!

    Posted by RobertFoulelection2008 April 24, 08 06:02 PM
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  1. Another falsehood from the Clinton campaign? NO! Wow, if she ever got into the White House, we'd have to hire someone to keep an eye on her 24/7.

    Posted by Mark F April 24, 08 06:04 PM
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  1. This can't be. Hillary Clinton would not, could not, tell a lie.

    Posted by Liya April 24, 08 06:06 PM
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  1. Don't forget that the republicans also have the DECIDER!

    Posted by Anne April 24, 08 06:16 PM
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  1. I love how Hillary supporters argument to elect Hillary is to say that she is proven better at lying and swiftboating to win votes so vote for her. Reality check Hillary wins states by smaller margins then Barack which is why Barack is winning. The important in the contest was the margins, that is why small states matter. Barack Obama " We cannot create change with a plus one electorate." We need a landslide to break the deadlock in the general which means we need Independents, Republicans, and African Americans to when the Presidency back. That's why the tide hasn't turned, that's why Hillary has to lie, and that's why Hillary is losing.

    Posted by MeanMachine April 24, 08 06:20 PM
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  1. I am a 70 yr caucasian Republican female - I supported Obama in WI primary and plan to do same in general election. I WILL NOT EVER VOTE FOR A CLINTON and I can list several of my friends who feel the same anger with the Clintons!!! If the Democrats want to bring out the Republican in full force, then allow Clinton to steal the nomination and my Republican blood will come out. I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for or support Hillary now or ever - she is not fit to serve as our President. Is this what we want for children and grandchildren? NO!

    Posted by gram9 April 24, 08 06:21 PM
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  1. Kingofpop...do you remember the Republican Congress we had for the last six years of the Clinton Administration, and the first six years of the Bush Administration?

    Senator Clinton might win a Presidential Election, but if she doesn't keep a Democratic controlled Congress for more than the two years her husband managed, we'll never get Tax Reform, Health Care, Climate Change, Alternative Energy, or any other meaningful legislation that the American people need. The primary reason Bush has managed to screw this Country so severely is that he had a Republican Congress that did everything he wanted. Without a Democratic Congress, it really doesn't make a difference who the Democratic President is because a Republicans Majority won't allow anything to reach the President's desk if it doesn't benefit the Obscenely Wealthy, the Insurance Companies and the Fossil Fuel Industry.

    Posted by It'sTheCongressStupid April 24, 08 06:22 PM
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  1. I am completely fed up with what professional politicians have done to our government and our country. I am a Democrat, middle-aged, a post-graduate, white professional woman who will never vote for Hillary Clinton. Among my family and friends and many business associates, I don't know anyone who is voting for her.

    This country needs serious honest people to roll up our sleeves and get us back on course as a great nation and a great people.

    Between what Republicans are doing to the country and what Hillary Clinton is doing to a far better candidate than she is and her fellow Democrat Barack Obama, there will be no viable candidate in this election to do the job.

    To #6: Anybody can destroy a good candidate. It takes no great skill or ability to do the kind of job that's being done on Barack Obama on Hillary Clinton or John McCain. All it takes are people such as yourself who are fearful at heart, and don't know how to get beyond that fear, so your first instinct is to smash that which you don't know. Your political analysis is from the last person you heard on TV, a professional hypester paid to spin and push forward one candidate any way possible. Regardless of truth, facts, or common sense. Barack Obama, who is not my first choice candidate, by the way, is winning states like Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, S. Carolina because he's brought in new voters, energized lapsed voters, attracted independent and Republican voters, and is the choice of the base of the Democratic party. The base of the Democratic party has turned its back on the Clintons because the Clintons are not ideological Democrats. They're moderate Republicans. Bill Clinton did much to hurt working and middle class Americans - Much of what Bush has done these last eight years was done on the foundation laid by Bill Clinton. Warrantless wiretapping, for example. I wager you that I know more about Hillary Clinton's record, in the Senate and as First Lady, and prior to that when she was a corporate lawyer and on corporate boards such as Wal-Mart that she's not the rip-snorting champion of the people that you seem to think she is. Ideologically she is to the right of her husband, who isn't much of a populist himself, despite the lip-biting "feeling of our pain". If she gets the nomination, she will tack to the right, hard and fast, and not look back.


    Posted by Barbara Soffit April 24, 08 06:23 PM
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  1. Hey Billary supporters they are mighty thankful that you all helped them pay the bills, you want this woman to run our economy? She can't run her own campaign, she started with 200 mil and she's broke, she doesn't pay her bills to small vendors who helped her with her campaign and now she's asking all you hard working Americans to help the poor 109 million dollar whiner to divy up. Keep on giving, there's a sucker born every minute! Do the math people she can't win, unless you use that fuzzy math like her and Bill use.

    Posted by Sue F April 24, 08 06:43 PM
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  1. The core element that any person should look for in a prospective employee, ANY employee, including but not limited to the President of the United States is integrity founded upon a strong moral compass. Without integrity, any amount of so-called "experience" means nothing.

    Senator Barack Obama has been forthright since DAY 1 about his finances and every other aspect of his life and political career. He has laid bare all his financial records without prompting, he has been honest about his positions whether or not those postions were popular with his audiences, he has been honest about his association with other individuals, he has been honest about how he would fund and manage programs, he has been honest about his many accomplishments over his more than ten years as an elected official and more than 20 years as a commmunity organizer..

    Senator Hillary Clinton has been secretive and deceptive since DAY 1 about her finances and every other aspect of her life and political career.....her upcoming defendent position in the largest political funding fraud trial in history (Peter Paul v. Clinton which goes to trial this october), Bosnia sniper fire, travelgate, whitewater, 1122 pages of omitted white house papers, still un-released Clinton library donors list, giving the wink and nod to the Canadian Government regarding NAFTA then saying that it was Obama, talking about her position on NAFTA, talking about her support of women's rights while not doing anything while a Wal-Mart board member thus hurting women's rights as they sought equal treatment, saying she was for unions while again working against unions as a Wal-Mart board member, telling people in New York state that she would bring jobs to the state but instead standing by as thousands of jobs from the state went overseas, saying she is for the environment but then voting time and again for measures that served big business at the expense of the environment and future generations, saying she is for health care and then not even providing it for her own staff...

    Our country needs a person with integrity and competence. Our country needs Barck Obama as President of the United States.

    Posted by Lady Professor April 24, 08 06:49 PM
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  1. Hillary sucks.... I'm sick of seeing her corporate kiss ass face on TV all the time. I'm sick of her taking advantage of those voters who aren't intelligent enough to see through her. Praying on their stupidity isn't the way to change our world for the better. It is a way for the corporastocracy to remain in power, why else do you think she hasn't dropped out. The people's choice is clearly Obama, but the corporations don't like him because he threatens to give us, the American people, a fair deal. The greedy 1% is why Hillary is still around, that and the ignorance of elderly hill folk.

    Posted by pissed off independant April 24, 08 06:53 PM
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  1. As a voter who respects and admires Hillary Clinton, and believes she is the best candidate for President, I have a difficult time with your venom.

    I identify with Hillary Clinton and believe in her. When you attack her, you attack me. You attack my hopes and dreams for my family, for my children and for my country.

    Your mean spirited comments are hurtful, and they tell me you think you are better than I am and that you look down on me. Your comments tell me that if I don't agree with your opinions about Hillary Clinton, then I too am all the nasty things you call her.

    Is this your way of persuading me that your candidate cares about uniting our country?

    This is so disheartening.

    Posted by Laura Brooks April 24, 08 07:17 PM
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  1. I am a hardcore, right-wing republican. I despise the lying, pond scum sucking Clintons. But, I would consider voting for Obama in November provided he gets the nomination and makes a compelling case. Go Barack!

    Posted by TC April 24, 08 07:32 PM
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  1. i can never stop wondering why obama attracts such mean followers. it has to reflect something of his own character. thankfully, in my life, i have never met people the likes of which i see spewing forth their hate of senator clinton. it is scary and so very sad.

    Posted by california voter April 24, 08 07:36 PM
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  1. Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire. Wake up America. Indiana and North Carolina, it's time to end this on May 6th. It doesn't need to go on. END IT!!

    Posted by Carolyn Grace April 24, 08 07:43 PM
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  1. the BIG STATES she has won argument is BS.

    Obama got the MOST DELEGATES in Texas. Hillary conveniently is using the primary vote and leaving out the Caucus. In California and New York any Dem candidate will win....and California right now over 60% support Obama. Obama would have more support in NY against John McCain if you look at the polls. She barely won the state Obama didn't campaign in, and it was a closed election blocking Republicans and Independents who are a big base of Obama's support.

    Look at any poll the day after, day of, or day after the election and Obama had the majority of New York Support.

    The Michigan election Obama was not on the ballot and the candidates all agreed months before it would not count, they would contest this, they wouldn't call it a victory or campaign there and Hillary did all of these things in Florida. She is LYING to her own supporters. Watch on youtube..in 14 different radio interviews, speeches and interviews she says she agrees Florida and Michigan shouldn't count commits not to contest it. All t he Dem candidates were asked by the DNC to take their name off the ballot in Michigan and Hillary put hers back on at the last minute. Massachussets will FOR SURE go Democratic in the general election, no question regardless who runs. If Hillary is saying she can win Ohio that is a JOKE. When campaigning there she lied to the people saying she was never a supporter of NAFTA and then said Obama was talking secretly to Canada. We later learned she was the one that helped get NAFTA passed, blocking opposition from labor and environmental groups and she was the one talking to Canada. I don't see how she could POSSIBLY win Ohio when the Republicans air these lies. NAFTA is the most hated thing in Ohio. So I have named ALL the states on your list.

    The only one remaining is New Jersey which is a swing state. Please show me a poll saying Obama would lose NJ, if you can't now the whole BIG STATES argument is flawed.

    The reason why Obama lost CA is the way CA awards delegates whether you win 45% or 55% of the state you get the same amount of delegates pretty much so he didn't campaign there much. If you look at the exit polls of people voting that day Obama won by a nice margin. Hillary only won because half of CA votes absentee and these absentee ballots were sent out two months prior when Hillary had just won NH and nobody heard of Obama.

    A the PEAK of Obama's low point, the Reverend Wright issue Obama had 60% of California.

    This just shows the integrity of Hillary Clinton as she is lying to her own supporters.

    If Hillary cares so much about counting all the votes and not silencing people in remaining states than ask her to agree that whoever gets the most votes gets the nomination. She won't do that as knows she will end up losing votes and delegates and wants to push this out so she has 4 months to DESTROY obama nad ruin him, get all her supporters to think he is trying to steal it, to hate him and get her supporters to support McCain over Obama so that way she can say they have to give her the nomination or else the Dems will lose.

    It is very very clear. I don't know how you could argue against this. I can find 5 youtube clips where she says McCain would be a better commander in chief, has more foreign policy experience and is more patriotic than Obama...this breaks a cardinal rule of endorsing someone from the other party vs. your opponent in the party. Her own campaign admits she can not win this legit.

    Now Bill Clinton is saying that Obama doesn't care about the White Working class vote read the interviews. The Clintons are trying to get all their core constituencies to believe that Obama doesn't care about them and McCain is better, holding her supporters for ransom forcing the DNC to give her the nomination.

    Watch the last debate...when asked if she would endorse Obama if he got the nomination she said "I will do everything I can to make sure ONE of us wins in November."

    That is the leverage she holds. She will tell all her supporters Obama is this awful guy than say she won't later tell them to vote for him unless this lasts another 4 months so she can get the nomination.

    How could you as a supporter of her support her if she is explicitly lying to you.

    She has given SEVEN different definitions of what "winning" the primary is and you can go on youtube to see.

    But hey that's fine to support her.....if you live in Indiana it doesn't make a difference if you support her or not...if you end up deciding you prefer Obama Hillary will cancel out your vote by overturning the overal vote with the super delegates, so everyone that votes is basically voting for Hillary, doesn't make a difference.

    3 years ago Obama was in debt living in a 3 bedroom condo with his kids and he is this elitist that is out of touch with the working class?

    He worked as a community organizer in ILLINOIS in a horrible area of Chicago organizing people that had no jobs when the steel mills left making almost ZERO when he could have made hundreds of thousands in corporate law.

    Look at all the money Bill Clinton has gotten 110 MILLION. Bill is the biggest lobbyist in Washington has taken 15M from Saudi Royal Family to manage investments, another 10 M for his foundation from another middle east person.

    He is CLEARLY not representing the real people.

    if you are voting for Hillary who do you think will really be running the country..It will be Bill Clinton with Hillary as the spokesperson...Sure this will really help improve women's rights having some woman screwing up even with the help of a husband.

    The TIDE has turned. Obama got a higher % of senior vote than most of the states he won, and a higher % of the white vote at every age.

    Hillary won because the state has few blacks, is the oldest state in the country which helps her, has a large catholic constituency which helps her, and 20% of people voting said race played a factor with 9 out of 10 of those voting for Hillary.

    Hillary's trying to get people to hate him plays on the hate of blacks it is very clear.

    How could she POSSIBLY endorse him to her supporters after 6 months of telling all of America he is not ready to handle the war on terrorism, has no experience, is racist towards white people, has been trying to steal the election, is against women.....please explain this to me.

    If Obama gets the nomination (which he already won) after four months of this how in the world can Hillary even endorse him. She has repeatedly said McCain would be a better president, has more foreign policy experience is more patriotic. She will have no credibility endorsing him NONE AT ALL.

    How can he win if she has got the whites to HATE him. Can one of her supporters explain this to me..And the longer she is negative the more she is hated 67% of Americans feel she is not honest or trustworthy...as she tries to steal the nomination this number will go to 80% especially with new lies printed every day in the paper, we will have 5 more Bosnia issues. At this point NEITHER candidate can win and we will hand the nomination to John McCain, how is this not clear to any of you.

    Obama will be forced by the party to run as her VP otherwise the Democrats won't win, and we will have a dysfunctional white house where Hillary and Obama are co-president.

    If Hillary is this manipulative, morally corrupt in the democratic primary she will be in the general election and will be as President.

    Look at how much she has divided the DEMOCRATIC PARTY..the whole Republican Party already hates her, when someone says her name in the Republican debates it gets louder than an Aerosmith Concert. So she will have 75% of the country AGAINST HER.

    If she forces her way into the White House and all the Republicans and half the dems hate her, feel she didn't legitimately win please tell me how she will pass her healthcare bill or get anything done.

    These are legitmate points. While you might feel sure she should have won this race, closed it out a month ago became our nominee that is one thing, but she DIDN"T do this and the only way she will be our nominee is if both Dem candidates are destroyed and tarnished and hated by the others camp.

    We can't go back in time and have her win Iowa, and Nevada and super tuesday and have it be over like she planned. She planned for the race to be over super tuesday, it wasn't. Sure if it was over then she could have put together the Democratic Party and maybe won the white house...but what she wants is to last this race for 5 months. No sane person could say that if we go into the Democratic Convention divided, she overturns it and you have 300,000 Obama supporters protesting outside she will somehow inherit the movement of change and win the presidency.

    Please explain how this is possible. 95% of blacks support Obama (Blacks started out 80% for HRC by the way) if she denies the first black to win legit the nomination, the nomination how in the world will the dems keep the black vote?

    What about all the young people. She complains about all the "activists" supporting Obama. Well those activists will be louder if she steals it, so explain to me how she can get ANYTHING done.

    If Hillary is telling her supporters Obama can't win New York or California these are clear lies to you guys by her. She has to lie to you to get your support, that is pretty pathetic.

    There is a reason why college educated people overwhelming support Obama...people that closely follow the race online overwhelmingly support Obama, 3X more Republicans support Obama, 2X more independents.

    Does Hillary thing Obama's endorsement will win over these people, give me a break.

    Look at the re-do's she has planned in Florida and Michigan..please look at these plans they are FULL of Fraud. The new Michigan election will have completely different rules from the first now barring Republicans and Independents who voted in the first one not bothering to change party affiiliatn as they didn't have to..Now these people can not vote again in second one? And with Obama increasing registration 10% in every state so far he can't do a registration drive to register the college students in Michigan as they can't vote unless registerd to vote for the first one.

    Please explain to me how Hillary can win Michigan in the general election. Obama right now would win Michigan in the general election and Hillary losing it. If Hillary prevents Independents and Republicans who supported Obama in first one from voting again do you honestly think these people will now vote for her in the general election? How can she win the state if she pisses of the indepents and Republicans who decided they wanted a democrt and participated in the first election and now are barred from doing so in second that counts. Will she get these votes.

    This is the most fraudulent election in US HISTORY. WORSE than Florida with Al Gore and George W. Bush.. You can make all the conspiracy theories you want but nobody has officially connecting George W. himself to what happened. This, Hillary's hands are ALL OVER IT.

    As far as California, California has 8X more electoral votes than Idaho. Obama's win of 83% of Idaho netted him MORE electoral votes than Hillary got from getting 10 more points on him in California.

    Now Obama should be punished becuase the agreement from day one was about who won the most delegates and that was his strategy?

    What if Hillary led up with 20% more delegates and Obama pulled some funny math saying he should win by some new reason. Do you honestly think the DNC would agree and let him stay in the race for 5 more months trying to destroy her, ruin her and convince all his supporters McCain is better. Give me a break. Stop telling me she is being discriminated against...there is no way Obama wouldn't be pushed out if the situation was reversed.

    It was Hillary's own fault to not have a continency plan, just assuming she would win Super Tuesday and when she lost not having any money spent in remaining races on fliers, people on ground, ads. This is because of her own incomptency, it is not Obama's fault that Hillarys campaign was by her their own admission "completely unprepared" for the next 12 states. Why is this Obama's fault, he won them fair, is he supposed to give her some of his delegates in these states based on how she would do if she ran a better campaign.

    What is your argument here.

    Hillary's campaigns argument is ther ewill be no harm to the party this continuing for 5 months, no problem bringing party together or beating John McCain. Do you HONESTLY agree with this.

    And if you say you don't she says like she has that they are trying to force her out because she is a woman, bullying her or that it is Obama that wants to silence the voters not her that wants to overturn it.

    She wants to get all these uneducated people that haven't followed what's going on to join her losing cause in believing that somehow she is a victim, her opponent is stealing it and trying to reverse their votes or make them not count.

    This just shows how highly she respects her supporters. She wants a bunch of dumb people that she can fool into feel she is being duped by the the establishment. That is her recruitment drive.

    Than after she lies to all of them and Obama gets the nomination she will argue that Obama is not able to win this dumb people that don't get what's going on or women feeling that Hillary is a victim and they have to support her.

    Than she wants them to feel she is a victim (coming from someone who began this race with an absolute conviction 100% she would win as did every analyst) that she is getting the short end of the stick., discriminated against when really it is her husbands standing in the Democratic Party that is really the only reason why this race continues.

    Hillary is a PROFESSIONAL VICTIM. She says she is a victim because her opponent can outraise her 5X when she is the one taking lobbysit and PAC money and can't possibly win in November if she can't raise money.

    Her campaign is bankrupt and they are lying about it, and Bill and Terry McAuiliffe''s onnections in the DNC allow her to run a campaign 30 Million dollars in debt and lie about it. Give me a break.

    I swear after Obama is nominated in November Hillary will stlll be running. She has not "exit strategy" she is a sore loser.

    She wants the DNC to apologize somehow for not originally having whatever rules change she now wants originally. Look it is very simple.

    If this was about popular vote, not delegates Obama would have a different strategy and still win. If it was about "Big states" Obama would just campaign there..either way he still wins.

    It is her fault that she invested all her funds in Ohio, and Texas and none in the 12 states prior. If Obama blew those 12 states, won Ohio and Texas and clearly couldn't legit win the race do you think they would let him continue or let him be a victim.

    If Hillary just kept her mouth shut she could be the president in 4 or 8 years. That is what she wants anyways..McCain will be the President 4 years later he is 75, falling apart, the economy is run into the ground she will run against a 75 year old John McCain and probably win. Obama having lost the nomination in 2008 because of Hillary will be out of the picture.

    If Hillary cares so much about making sure whatever Dem gets the nomination wins the presidency why is she telling all of America in all these battle ground states that Obama is evil has not enoguh experience, is not patriotic, is tryin gto steal the eleciton, haas no foreign policy experience, would be a worse commander in chief. How can she possibly endorse him

    Each time she campaigns for him telling people what a great guy he is Fox News wll play clips of her ripping him. She won't admit she lied all along about him she never does.

    One state she WON, New Mexico she won by like 500 votes and there was TONS of fraud, her state head was stealing big boxes of ballots and bringing them home. they got the same amount of delegates though. Now Obama is punished. This is a bait and switch on Hillary's part.she agrees race is about delegates and when she is down in delegates she finds another standard, when down there, finds another.

    I got an idea for Hillary where she might win. Do it like they had in Michigan where her name is the ONLY NAME on the ballot in every remaining state, then cut deals with all the super delegates.

    Hillary is acting like she is entitled to the presidency.

    Obama 2 months before announcing his run was discussing running for governor of Illinois in 2010 as a dream job....2 months later he is running for presidency has the smartest campaign strategy, platform, idea of what people want (change) when other candidates think it is experience...Hillary has planned this for 25 years.

    Advisors for the Clintons have come forward saying when they married it was a political marriage more than anything. They had this agreement that in 20 some years they would each serve two terms. She has discussed idea of running for 15 years now since 1993.

    How come in 15 or 25 years she doesn't have enough time to figure out how to get elected especialy when teamed up with Bill Clinton the most popular member of the Democratic Party who would be serving as co-president and Terry McAuilfe the ever popular ex DNC head that has all the contacts there.

    She has had 15 years, played every game in the book and is still down. Obama had 2 months to prepare. Got no press coverage or endorsements initialy and had ZERO dollars. His campaign started with just 4 staff members and they built a better strategy.

    Do you realize that once she is pushed out of this election it will be HARDER for women to run for president, elected positions, and in general move up in our country as we will see this great example of some woman that played ever game, constantly used the gender card and people will have this stereotype.

    The only way Hillary will be pushed out is if finally one of her own main aides, or campaign workers start turning on her and expose the documents of what her plan really is so we all see this long strategy to steal the vote that she is behind, see her plan to play into racism to defeat Obama, see all the lies.

    Once this comes out Hillary is toast. The only way this will end is if Obama wins NC and IN and Hillary is exposed.

    Also how will Hillary win in the general election when the Republican candidate plays tapes of what she said about each state she lost "not representing the American people" or "not representing real americans" or "shouldn't count" or "doesn't matter" as they are caucus states or "small states don't matter" How can she court these states when she discounted their vote the first time. Please explain this to me.

    And as far as SWING STATES, in 5 months EVERY STATE will be a swing state as the Democratic party will be divided and she will be hated by Republicans.

    She won't be able to win Ohio or Florida as she will be too busy hanging on to New York and California.

    She is making a mockery of the Democratic Party a HUGE MOCKERY.

    And me forecasting this would happen IN NOVEMBER I was criticized by every female friend and female family member as being sexist. This is hilarious.

    Hillary will go down as #1 on youtubes greatest hits...her lies will be played for the next 10 years.

    For Obama to win the nomination he will probably have to DENOUNCE Hillary to get Republican votes.

    My faith is that Al Gore, Howard Dean, John Edwards and all the other original candidates join in and endorse Obama on May 7th after a NC and IN win.

    Hopefully some major people will endorse sooner.

    HRC will play so many games Obama will have to get turnout of his supporters at 80%.

    The funny thing is if this was a movie, a screenplay people would say it is not possible.

    Bill and Hillary will have to leave the country.

    Posted by Dave April 24, 08 07:44 PM
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  1. I am a 67 YO white female, and I support Senator Obama. I lived through the Clinton years. In fact, I have been around during many Administrations; I can without hesitation say that THIS IS THE TIME, the time to try to alter the adverse course the US has been on. My children are divided; one a Republican to the core, the other more receptive to a different future. I have no misconception that I can alter anyone's opinion of the candidates, the throw of the dice, the feeling that nothing will change. BUT, at this stage in my life and given the stakes for citizens of all ages, it is time to Roll The Dice. However, I have a 'lucky feel' in my gut and from everything I have read extensively about this campaign and all the day to night coverage I have watched on all channels, I am convinced that we have to elect, and STAND BEHIND, Senator Obama in his optimistic pursuit of a better America. I am fortunate in that, at least at the present, secure ecomically, but who knows how long that will last. My neighbors are not as fortunate; my community is not. We all need to look at the long term picture.....I won't be around, but my children, my neighbors, their children and grandchildren will. Think, please ....just imagine what the reality will be in 4- 10- 20 + years from now. We cannot grab the most immediate promise of this or that, or lack thereof in case of the Rebulicans. What do we want for those who we wish to protect in the future?

    Posted by M. Janelle Loar April 24, 08 07:54 PM
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  1. It is intresting to see wolves at the throats of a lamb. People do not speak honestly about what they really are feeling! As a black I've been called many names with a smile on anothers face. Told that I should become a secretary by a high school counselor who wore white gloves so she wouldn't touch my hands. A teacher who was so jolly ...as she sang a song called o'Black Joe, and had me and other little children in a northern school point to a dark skinned african male student who was truly handsome and beautiful who had transferred into our school called Benjamin Franklin...and yet another white african child was being praised by her.
    No white can express my feelings for me.... I have seen white preachers put down on radio stations because his wife decided to marry another...so the it reminded me of a pharasee saying that he was perfect and never made mistakes! I look at the Fox Station who are standing in this same gap of self righteousness...who is perfect? News casters attacking innocence with one question after another ...rapidly...as if they are attacking a wounded animal....going for the neck ...knowing he's been raised by a Clintonite? Who is real...?
    Plantations still exists....

    Posted by Wounded Knee ....mind and matters April 24, 08 08:35 PM
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  1. In my view there's only two real negatives associated with Obama ..... 1) A somewhat arrogant and condescending demeanor and ....... 2 The extreme obnoxiousness of his supporters. It's the latter that may very well insure a Republican victory in November.
    I've voted in every Presidential election since 1972 and have never voted Republican. 2008 will be my first.
    For the past 71/2 years I've been hitting the "mute" button or turning off the TV whenever our POTUS is on the screen. Eight years of enduring an obnoxious commander-in-chief is enough for anyone. Who needs eight more?

    Posted by Roy Cox April 24, 08 08:57 PM
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  1. the bitch is broke, and im sick and tired of this old women supporting her, i believe after 70, they ought to make it illegal to vote

    Posted by gaston April 24, 08 09:00 PM
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  1. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out just what exactly the "experience" is that she's talking about. She's already taken a run at Healthcare and failed miserably at that, she wasn't under fire in Bosnia and didn't open any borders to allow refugees through.

    I saw somewhere about her commemorating trees or something but come on.....

    Has she ever listed her experience anywhere or is it just me that smells the smoke being blown up my butt?

    Posted by Sharon April 24, 08 09:06 PM
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  1. Show us the money, break down, Hillary. I am sorry but we can't trust you on your $10 million claim. How many times did you lie about not being in debt when the FEC numbers clearly showed you were?

    Posted by rich April 24, 08 09:27 PM
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  1. As I articulated in #6, Senator Clinton is a stronger candidate to contest and win in Nov. 2008 general election. That is not in anyway diminishing Senator Obama's qualifications.

    All the criticisms of Senator Clinton here centers on irrelevant, cryptic musings dredged up by the Republicans during President Clinton's regime. It has nothing to do with her policies and what she stands for as a Presidential candidate. Loathe and criticise President Clinton all you want, he is one of the greatest U.S. Presidents ever. Travel around the world and see how highly President Clinton is regarded and reverred. All the personal bias/hatred against for Senator Clinton here will not diminish the fact that she is better experienced and and better situated to face the Repuiblican assault machine in the general election. The same crap being said now by her detractors was said when she ran for the U.S. Senate in New York. Today she is highly regarded in New York and won her re-election in a landslide.

    Senator Obama looks so refreshing and clean simply because he had been in politics for a VERY FEW years with little or no record. He is Untested and all we have are great speeches. We are not electing the most articulate candidate folks.

    Al Gore lost in 2000 by listening to the typical spine-less democrats and distancing himself from President Clinton (the only democrat to be re-elected in several decades) Al Gore let the Republicans out muscle him and steal the election in 2000. Senator Kerry repeated same thing in 2004. The same democrats want to repeat same in 2008. Same crowd now beating the Obama drums. Democrats need a winner in November 2008 and NOT an 'also ran".

    Attack Senator Clinton all you want, she will be the stronger candidate for the democrats in the general election. She has more votes (counting Florida and Michigan) thus far. More people have voted for her. It is unfortunate that in 2008, so many democrats like the ones on this site are still so naive to not figure yet what it takes to defeat the Republicans, to not figure out yet why the Democrats have 'lost' two consecutive Presidential elections. It's time to get real.

    Senator Clinton will be the nominee when all the votes are counted after June 3, 2008. She will go on to win the Presidency and prove all the nay-sayers wrong...just like she did in New York.

    Enough Said.

    Posted by KingofPopx April 24, 08 09:32 PM
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  1. Hillary Clinton seems to have a difficult time being honest---no surprise. But truly a hard time being honest about her funding. Read this: http://www.paulvclinton.com/
    Bill and Hillary are now embroiled in one of the biggest election fraud scandals in history. They'll be going to court tomorrow. Now where is the media about that?!

    Posted by RobinL April 24, 08 09:43 PM
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  1. Hillary is a bon liar and will die a liar. END THE DRAMA, VOTE OBAMA.

    Posted by Yodit April 24, 08 09:45 PM
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  1. I hope Obama just starves her disaster of a campaign. I hope her debt does nothing but grow until she finally admits the inevitable: she's finished.

    Posted by shrimptonmcclams April 24, 08 09:49 PM
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  1. I'm just waiting for obama to win and then in general election have a third party, Clinton/Lieberman 2008.

    Gah. I can see it now

    Posted by Lissa April 24, 08 09:51 PM
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  1. Lets not forget that the so-called big states Hillary won was not because of the democratic vote but because republicans voted for her so she could win, they know she doesn't stand a chance at all against McCain.

    Posted by dw April 24, 08 09:52 PM
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  1. 1. Hillary = Iraq Vote= War = Abu Gharib = War Crimes
    2. Hillary= NAFTA= Job Losses
    3. Hillary= Liar = Sniper Gate
    4. Hillary= Selfish

    Hillary is a very greedy person.

    I believe the Clintons want more money. That is why they are running for President. Why don't we just give them some more money?

    Posted by JohnK April 24, 08 09:54 PM
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  1. All the people who hate Hillaryyy.......... I dont see whats wrong with this woman.... you people need to get some knowledge before you start saying something about her. you think OBAMA came from the other planet..but I can assure you he aint what everybody thinks...... he is going to mess-up this country sobad that Bush seems like better.

    plz do vote Hillaryyyyyyyyy . . . . . .

    Posted by Dave April 24, 08 09:57 PM
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  1. WRAL-TV in Raleigh, North Carolina refused to run the NC RNC Ads about Rev Wright - good for them. Now let's try standing up to Hillary and Bill and demanding some answers. STOP talking about numbers and make her answer some of these questions. NOW she wants another debate. NO we wants answers, we want the donars list, let's not find out the day AFTER she wins the nomination. The whole world is watching America, stand up to this woman and demand some answers.

    Posted by Susan April 24, 08 09:57 PM
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  1. I thought I remember her saying that she had already been reimbursed for the loan she made for herself? I don't know, maybe I just dreamed that. Wouldn't surprise me if she did say that and it turns out not to be true either.

    Posted by Brenda in Indiana April 24, 08 09:58 PM
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  1. So, just another Clinton "mis-speak" or another lie?

    Does anybody really believe she has collected $10 million in ONE DAY since PA primary?

    Posted by Chuck Swanson April 24, 08 09:59 PM
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  1. She lied about $10 millions!!! If they have 60 000 'donors' ... each of them must send more than $ 200 to cover this... ABSURD!!
    Another Clintons lie : please read here - about her 'not knowing" about the two pardoned terrorists by her husband...It was a major issue iagainst her campaign for senator in 2000.. here are the facts: http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/04/hill_on_brinks_radical_i_didnt.html

    Who are those people who still vote for the LIAR!!?

    Posted by Nelia April 24, 08 10:04 PM
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  1. Barack Obama is a hypocrite. He used the "reverend" Wright and other race radicals and terrorists for political gain in Chicago. Then goes on to lecture America about race relations. Please. I am so disgusted. He's supposed to be this great uniter who can't seem to "unite" the democratic party much less this country. I will give him credit however, for his ability to manipulate the news media and his obsessed "followers" with speeches written for him by John Favbreau. Yes, if it makes you maniacs happy he will most likely be the democratic nominee, and after the way many Hillary Clinton supporters haven been treated by fellow democrats. Good luck with that in November.

    Posted by alfie April 24, 08 10:04 PM
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  1. Hillary has at last pushed the envelope so far that it's difficult to look at her with a straight face. In these last months she has sunk to new lows and has changed the rules so many times that she's begining to become a parody of herself. Beyond her downright scary remarks about "nuking Iran", these latest assertions like "I have more votes among the people who actually voted" are beyond juvenile. She reminds me of the much loathed playground bully. "If I can't have the presidency, Barack, I'll be damed if I'll let you have it. I'd sooner smash it then let you win it". Appaling megalomania at best, and an abolute and nearly criminal traitor to the Democratic process at worst. I can't imagine how any American could be so damned duped as to seriously consider voting for her. Do we really need another manipulator-and-chief? WAKE UP you zombies! Have you learned nothing from the last 8 years? A ROVE by any other name is still a Rove!

    Posted by TMWheaton April 24, 08 10:05 PM
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  1. Good evening:

    Hillary has an ad showing on Indiana television. But guess what? She blames George Bush about a factory closing down in Indiana. But guess what? The factory closed down when her husband, Bill, was president. What hypocrisy?
    And she wants to be president? She feels she's more qualified? She can manage a team? Who's the fact checker in that campaign? I wonder how much publicity this will get in the media?
    http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/04/24/clinton-to-keep-defense-jobs-here/
    Unbelievable!

    Posted by reneeperry23 April 24, 08 10:12 PM
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  1. I think Clinton fatigue has set in for many people. The Clintons don't own the Democratic Party. I'm tired of their lies and Republican tactics. It is time for the Democratic Party to move on without them.

    Posted by Judy April 24, 08 10:17 PM
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  1. I simply don't believe the $10M number. Folks with money to donate are generally smart enough to see that Hillary has no chance of winning the nomination now. That is a fact regardless of whether or not you like her. The media of course wants to paint the race as still up in the air because to admit it's over will give them less to talk about.

    Posted by Greg Wilson April 24, 08 10:29 PM
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  1. I as a woman would NEVER vote for this scandal ridden poor excuse of a woman. She totally embarrasses my gender. Ask the people of upstate New York what she has done for them lately. Don't worry it won't take long, the answer is quite short.

    The reason Al Gore lost the election in part can be traced back to the scandals of the Clintons. Those of you that think that Hillary will bring us back to the 90's need to seriously think about how the world has changed. Part of the changes in the world were created by the Clinton administration, it's called NAFTA.

    Posted by Merhoba April 24, 08 10:32 PM
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  1. David Geffen did say "What scares me the most about the Clintons is how they lie so easily."

    Posted by Monica Berlin April 24, 08 10:33 PM
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  1. Big deal. Who here understands campaign finance regulations?

    Clinton has over $30 million in her campaign fund. The accounting system and regulations dictate how much her campaign can spend in a primary versus election. It's all about bean counting.

    In any case, even with Obama's huge cash advantage, why can't he seal the deal, hm?

    Posted by clbrune April 24, 08 10:40 PM
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  1. hillary is the toughest person in the world she would make a truely great president i think thats one thing we can all agree on

    Posted by spaceman3838 April 24, 08 10:46 PM
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  1. Why is the media not reporting on Peter Paul vs. Hillary Clinton ?.

    Posted by Liz April 24, 08 10:46 PM
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  1. Yes Hillary sucks very bad and if she gets the nomination I'm going to become an Independant.

    Posted by Sunae, Fl April 24, 08 10:48 PM
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  1. Ladies, think about it.

    Hillary has totally mismanged her campaign, with huge turnover and debt.

    By wide agreement among the press, Hillary has led the negativity of this campaign.

    Hillary no longer has any chance to win the nomination by the rules. Yet she continues to jeopardize the Democratic Party's chances to win in November by refusing to accept her defeat now and let a unified Democratic Party with Obama go after McCain.

    McCain today stated that women do NOT deserve EQUAL pay, period.

    Now you have it, ladies: your vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain, and a vote for McCain is a vote against YOURSELVES. Stop the stupidity!

    Posted by DrToketee April 24, 08 10:49 PM
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  1. Ever see how many defense contractors contributed to Hillary's campaign? No wonder she voted for the war. My husband and I and our three college-age children would never vote for Hillary Clinton because she lacks integrity and ethics. She represents everything I hate in politicians. Can't vote for McCain either partly because he called his wife c**t , in front of people even. So if Hillary steals the election at the convention, than I will be staying home in November, or write in Barack Obama's name. I think the Democratic leaders are a lot to blame for allowing the Clintons to run such a negative campaign when she has no path to win. Richardson is the only one with balls. I have a lot more respect for him now and will support him in any office he holds. Carville needs to be kicked out of the party after Obama wins.

    Posted by Deb G. April 24, 08 10:55 PM
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  1. At this point, Hillary should be financing her own campaign with loans from her 100 million dollar fortune, instead of begging for donations from supporters-- many of whom are poor or working-class people.

    It's really starting to bug me that she expects poor people to finance her egotistical quest, and she'll overstate her almost non-existent chance of winning to keep the money rolling in.

    I'm sure the Clintons will find a way to repay themselves the 5 million they already lent the campaign. And they'll do it on the backs of the working poor.

    Posted by bernadette bradley April 24, 08 10:57 PM
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  1. If it weren't for Bill Clinton bullying the super delegates, this race would be over by now. In any other place of business, he would be brought up on harrassment charges. His threats kept Bill Richardson from endorsing until after Texas. By then it was too late to help Senator Obama. Although we appreciate the endorsement. And what's with Rahm Emmanual? I think he is the only ill. super who has not endorsed Obama. I know he worked for the Clinton's, but obviously he doesn't want her. It's been over two months since the Illinois primary. Make a decision Rahm! We know you're scared, but step up and be a man!

    Posted by Vernon April 24, 08 10:58 PM
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  1. Hiding an additional debt of $5,000,000 in the small print is what to expect from Hillary's presidency.

    With Hillary, read the small print, cross every T and dot every I. Even then, cement in those goal posts. She'll be owing money and favours big-time (read Special Interests) if she gets in.

    Posted by Richard K April 24, 08 11:02 PM
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  1. At the beginning of this primary, I liked either of the democratic candidates that are still running. (There were two others I would have considered, but they are no longer running.) Since Super Tuesday, HRC has become extraordinarily negative in every aspect of her campaign. She is cleary thinking only of herself and not the country. (Sound like GW?)

    Her negativity, has convinced me that there is no way I will vote for her in our late primary. My brother, who voted for her in his primary, has changed his opinion of her as well. He would rather not vote in the general election than vote for her. He has never not voted in a Presidential election. She has lost all the respect and
    admiration that I used to have for her.
    I have discussed with my family what would happen if BO did respond to her malicious and exaggerated attacks. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he didn't hav
    e to answer to what she says about him.

    Posted by Used to respect her April 24, 08 11:02 PM
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  1. I agree with earlier posters, Billary cannot manage her own finances, much less Americas'.

    Posted by Gatorchick April 24, 08 11:06 PM
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  1. The Clinton's Meteoric Rise in Wealth in the years preceding Hillary's historic run and the source of that income is troubling. See: http://www.thememlingindex.com/hillary_clinton_net_worth-wealth.html The Mainstream Media needs to examine more deeply and expose the foreign and domestic sources who are funding the Clinton Machine, an in essence attempting to purchase from the Clinton's an unprecedented level of access to the Executive Branch of our government. The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) is a front, much in the same way some Pizza joints were fronts for MAFIA. Bill has used CGI as a source of revenue generation to network with the most powerful in the world. Contrast that with Obama who is raising nearly all his funds from individual American citizens. Clintons are in the fight for their political life because those that financed them will pull the plug on them financially if Hillary loses? There is a veil of secrecy around the source of their income, donors and Hillary's tax returns. The mainstream media are not making as big an issue out of this as they should. GIven that the Neo-cons and MIC seem to trust Hillary more with the Bush Legacy, did she sell herself out to the powerful forces and insure them that a second Clinton Administration would give them precisely what they want?? Ask yourself because if the roles were reversed OBAMA would have been forced to concede this race already. The man has won 30 states, leads the popular vote, has more delegates, cash on hand and the media is allowing Hillary to turn this race into DESTROY THE EVIL DANGEROUS BLACK MAN and not calling her outright on how barron is this this tactic.

    Posted by Christopher London April 24, 08 11:14 PM
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  1. I can't believe the Clinton campaign is praising Fox (can't say the word news since it is not news). Look at how she has run her campaign....in debt, doing anything to win (putting their greed for power before their country), smearing Obama. I am a 64 year old, white gramma who has supported Obama from the beginning. I remember all the hatred of the 90's and don't want to relive that.

    Vote Obama NC and Indiana.

    Posted by Kristin Galante April 24, 08 11:17 PM
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  1. The questions we need to ask are 'HOW?' and 'WHY?'. WHY less informed people will vote for someone who continually deceives them (Bush as well - they voted for him). Then the next logical step is HOW to make these people understand that they are voting against their own interests. You can obviously say any thing you want to but it doesn't necessarily make what you say a truth or a fact or even plausible. The main stream media wants this to go on because it is making them a ton of money. That is what Hillary is facilitating with all of this. She is enabling corporations to make a ton of money about the most inane and nonsensical arguments the same as Bush/Cheney are enabling the Military-Industrial Complex to make obscene profits. All at our expense. Mine. Yours. Don't watch, don't listen and guess what - it will stop!

    Posted by Computer Geek April 24, 08 11:21 PM
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  1. Jesus - just the sight of her makes me want to puke. I cannot believe I ever voted for Bill.

    Posted by jtaki April 24, 08 11:23 PM
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  1. ENOUGH with the Clinton apologists and the Hillary-lovers who don't seem to have 2 rational brain cells to rub together at this point!

    GET A GRIP AND WISE UP! She is NOT honest, NOT ethical, NOT Progressive, NOT gong to stop the corporate and lobbyist pandering in Washington (nor even try), and N O T going to win the nomination!

    Her continuing to pull this Party down to the depths of her and Bill's level of shameless self-promotion has become obscene.

    Posted by John McD April 24, 08 11:24 PM
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  1. Life is like a box of chocolates...sometimes poop looks like a chocolate.
    sometimes Hillary looks like a good candidate, until you take a bit and realize she's full of poop.

    Posted by forest gump April 24, 08 11:27 PM
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  1. A Clinton Dynasty? give America a break!with the Clinton's its greed & super EGO her arrogance makes Bush blush , its Hillary and dam the democrat party

    Posted by roger April 24, 08 11:28 PM
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  1. Enough of the same old politics by same old players.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLVHIcHPGV4

    Posted by Bart April 24, 08 11:30 PM
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  1. And then on top of al of this, she has a court hearing tomorrow with reference to fraud....http://www.nowpublic.com/world/peter-paul-vs-hillary-clinton-election-fraud-case-stuffed-california-court

    Posted by bb April 24, 08 11:32 PM
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  1. The Clinton's are LIAR'S and THEIVES. She has been lying all through this campaign, she will do anything to win no matter what it takes. I really don't know when the people will finally wake up to all of her GAMES.

    Hillary is now telling the people in Indiana that she is ahead in the popular vote if you count Michigan and Flordia, which is another lie. As long as she was leading Michigan and Flordia meant nothing until she start losing. Hillary knew the rules just as well as the other candidates and this was an agreement that was made, but because she is Hillary Clinton let's just change the rules, ( I think not ).

    This nonsense about Obama can't win the ( Big States ) this is just a bunch of CRAP!!!!!!!. If the demoratic party is so afaird that these big states cannot be pulled by Obama then why won't they just pull the plug on Obama and give the nomination to her, the reason why they don't is because she is not the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    While Bill and Hillary was in the whitehouse, her brother's 1. Tony and Hugh was wheeling and dealing ,2. when Bill gave those pardon's before he left the whitehouse she knew nothing of that either, 3. sniper fire she just mistated, 4. while her husband having sex with other women, I guess she slept through that.
    5. Hillary was raised as an REPUBLICAN.

    If you really want to know about the dirt that went on in the whitehouse with her brother Hugh, go to Hugh Rodman.com and you will hear and see much more than what I can possibly tell you here. Hillary's hands have been dirty from day one and she always has an excuse for everything.

    My advise to Hillary, " YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME"

    OBAMA08

    Posted by Cheryl April 24, 08 11:34 PM
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  1. Get ready for more attack ads people, ads that try to revive old racial divides. I for one believe that the good, honest folks in America are tired of race baiting, but both the GOP and McCain's close friend Hillary (according to Billary) are using the same type of attacks against Obama. I wonder if they get together and plan it out.

    Nevertheless, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN or divide and conquerors.

    America 2008!

    Posted by Elizabeth April 24, 08 11:43 PM
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  1. All her speeches now end with the famous...

    You know, so if you want to, you know, help out with the campaign, you know,

    go to hillaryclinton.com, you know, and help keep us afloat, you know,

    even though I am worth 109 million dollars, you know, I need you to send

    that money my way...

    you know.

    Posted by Independant Days April 24, 08 11:49 PM
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  1. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    A WHOLE 5 Mil??????


    Duh.

    Posted by Frieda April 24, 08 11:54 PM
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  1. Come on, The Clinton Campaign is not capable of telling the truth. They are embellishing her numbers and chances at winning the nomination, as they are embellishing her debts, and how much money she has taken in since "winning" a handful of delegates in Pennsylvania.

    Posted by Beverly April 25, 08 12:10 AM
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  1. I'm glad that this reporter checked her numbers. I'm not surprised she left out her 5M loan - just shows how dishonest she is at every segment of her life. Shes constantly proving this time and time again.

    I hope if at all possible you can review this months statement and tell us the truth - I have no reason to believe she had 100,000 new donors who totaled 10M. It's just another falsehood to give the impression she's on top -lol. Is there anyone that believes her - she's been the butt of jokes everywhere about this. She can't even count.

    But I know I can't wait to see this months report. I predict she is another 5 to 10 MILLION DOLLARS in the red. And this woman really thinks she should be the one to run our ecomony? Give me a break. She's run the worst campaign I have ever seen.

    Posted by honesty rules April 25, 08 12:13 AM
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  1. So Hillary's own campaign is in debt and she feels compelled to fudge on disclosing those finances...I wonder how she would tackle our country's staggering budget deficit? Could it possibly be with transparency, accountability, and competency?

    It seems to me that if you can't run a campaign you are not quite qualified to run a country either.

    Posted by CMO April 25, 08 12:20 AM
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  1. If she can't organize to pay campaign debts (many to small business people, schools, bands) how can anyone think that she could get our country's finances in order?

    Posted by M. Crooks April 25, 08 12:23 AM
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  1. Obama is CORRUPT, a LIAR, and his slogan of change an ILLUSION.

    1) CORRUPT: A houseowner wants to sell both a house and adjoining land. Obama can afford to buy only the house. No problem, the criminal Rezko to the rescue. Rezko pays full price for the land, whereas Obama gets a discount of $300,000 on the house. Nice to have criminal friends like this!!! (ref ABC News)

    2) LIAR: Obama claims he did not know about Wright's America-hating (God damn America) and racist views till it was revealed in the mainstream media in March 2008. Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, was married by Wright, had his children baptized by Wright, donated over $20,000 to Wright's church and named his book "Audacity of Hope" after one of Wright's sermons. You really believe after 20 years and all this he did not know?

    3) ILLUSION: Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants in Illinois. Obama, a senator for Illinois introduces a bill to make disclosures mandatory. Seems like Exelon doesn't like it. Each draft of the new bill by Obama goes more and more towards Exelon till disclosures end up being "voluntary". What gives? How about $250,000+ donations by Exelon!!! Obama is not change, he is WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL. (ref NYT)

    People need to realize that Hillary has been fighting for them all along. All the way back to 1993 when she tried to introduce universal health care.

    Posted by Jay April 25, 08 12:33 AM
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  1. I to am a older white femal. I remember Hillary pushing Nafta an saying how good it was for our country! Now when it's not convient, she says she was always against it. I also remember when Kennedy an hatch wrote up and helped pass the Chips program that gave medical assistant to thousands of kids-----------Hillary just resently took credit for that because she gave a supporting speech when Kennedy asked her to! I remember when they took money from Peter paul for their fund raiser, an good by party for Hillary Sen. campagne and fairwell to Bill from the W.H., and on april25 they will now be going to court for fraud on that! So none of this surprise me! The Clintons believe they are above the law and intittled to do what ever they want to do! They think we all owe them something, because Bill was President and he did so much for us all, you know. I'm hopeing this will end soon. And it's time you all stop saying all us old folk are for Hillary! It just isn't so! not any more!

    Posted by alberta treadway April 25, 08 12:34 AM
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  1. Not only can Mc Cain take a vacation because Hillary Clinton is doing the work for him.

    Now also Hillary can go to the beach by Los Angeles after answering charges of fraud in the LA court tomorrow since CNN is doing all the work for her.

    Another priority on her schedule should be to pay off her debts to the poor, uneducated , gullable vendors that may be forced into bancruptcy because of her habit of not paying her debts.

    She thinks she is entitled to their financial support as well as to the Presidency .

    It is therefore fine with her to "screw" the vendors and the american people.

    Let me know if and when she is going to pay back what she owes and I will apologize for this comment.

    In the mean time I suggest that other vendors loan her money and services at their own risk. We must learn from our experience, don't we?


    Posted by Clara Colorni April 25, 08 12:41 AM
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  1. It's over. Obama is the nominee. I'm a conservative and I'm voting for Obama in Noember, not for either of the last two members of the Bush/Cheney/Rove/McCain/Clinton Axis.

    Posted by AlPal April 25, 08 12:45 AM
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  1. How insane is it that the candidate who's behind, who's broke, who's got the highest negatives of any candidate ever, is still in the race because she's questioning the front-runner's electability?

    Posted by Allan April 25, 08 12:59 AM
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  1. why do we want a person who has never once told the honest truth during the entire campaign if not her life. Its always something, then we find out right after its no longer politcally important that what they said wasnt exactly the truth. I dont get why people want to hear this for another four years. The next president has to be a person the public can trust and its not a clinton. I mean syria and north korea were building a nuclear facility and even with documentation syria can send its ambassador on to cnn and say we have no credibility to question them because of iraq. THIS IS SYRIA PEOPLE. But yet they are sort of right. The people need to know that when the administration says something its not a lie or politcally polled and analyzed statement which they dont actually believe it. I mean people, Hillary was a defense attorney for communists and she says shes in touch with real americans. Her idea of a democracy is a government where the elite rule and the

    pions listen and follow. This was pretty obvious in her remarks 11 years ago when she told Bill to screw working class whites. She has never worked with these people she says shes been a champion for. She always made sure she was in a position where she had people with serious problems gravelling at her feet, enflating her enormous sociopathic ego. Shes an evil woman who we would seriously regret ever putting in a position with that type of power. She says she's going to stand up for you now just wait, just wait. If she is ever allowed in that house again we will be conrtolled with an iron fist for four years and probably long due to election fraud and an executive order to eliminate term limits. Hello Hillary " Robert Mugabe" Clinton.

    Posted by t April 25, 08 01:11 AM
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  1. Does anyone else notice that when Hilary tells everyone these new equations of hers in which somehow magically she is the winner of the popular vote, that she actually sounds like she is embarassed of what she is saying?

    She knows the the crap she is trying to sell is nothing but that, CRAP.

    I'm kind of embarassed for her. She is like a stray dog that you feed and then they won't leave your yard. Yech.

    Posted by Nichole April 25, 08 01:13 AM
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  1. The monster strikes again.
    How long are we going to let the monster damage the United States political process. How can you stand this lying monster.

    Posted by Doc1400 April 25, 08 01:19 AM
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  1. Doesn't really matter about her debt anyway.
    Because tomorrow a.m. what the great media will report is how Reverand Wright\
    is ruining the Obama campaign.

    But it will not make front page that Hillary

    a) called for the complete obliteration of Iran should they "choose' to attack Israel
    b) is supposed to be in a courtroom trial tomorrow a.m. in la for a 72M lawsuit
    for trial fraud from their last campaign.

    It is so very clear that the media wants to fry obama bigtime. Sick stuff indeed.

    Posted by barbara miller April 25, 08 01:26 AM
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  1. I just read that the media has begin to focus on Hillary...the "Monster" as they are convinced that Obama isn't electable! It is obvious that math is not their greatest strenght. This woman have caused God-fearing people (I know they love the Lord, because they have crucified Jeremiah Wright)to lay down their religion and follow the enemy. Shame on you Hillary Rodham Clinton!!! Their blood will be on your hands. These poor, uneducated (and some educated) would rather have a lying, dirty and relentless beast run our country, while attempting to destroy this very well qualified man without giving him a fair chance. I am glad that the media is giving him a break... This will give Obama a chance to exhale for a minute without the media taking every word from his mouth and twisting it into something ugly.
    OBAMA 2008!

    Posted by Cheryl April 25, 08 01:28 AM
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  1. Spend her into oblivion, Barack!

    Posted by newddle April 25, 08 01:35 AM
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  1. Obama has integrity I think not his lies are ones of ommission and lies are lies no matter how they are done!!!! And please tell me how Bill's indescressions with Monica Lewinsky count against Hillary last I checked he got the Blow Jobs not her.I guess if she had divorced him that would be used against her too,Then she would be devoid of family values. It amazes me how obamities will damn her for either. But why won't they release Michelle Obama's thesis about White people untill after the election ? I bet if it was released before you all wouldn't love him so much!!!!!

    Posted by Chris April 25, 08 01:36 AM
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  1. why has this news not appeared on CNN. Is it true that CNN is now "clinton news network" It just shows how manipulative the Clinton campaign is. I look forward to Obama as the US President.

    Posted by Canadiansforobama April 25, 08 01:42 AM
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  1. Mark my words:America will not get what it needs, and this will go down to the depths of filth. Better for the rest of the world I guess.

    Posted by Indian April 25, 08 01:47 AM
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  1. I can't stomach Hillary anymore. I want to know why she and Bill feel that they can mistreat African Americans and think that we will forget and vote for her. I WILL NEVER FOR HILLARY CLINTON. For you worried white people, we are not voting for Hillary because we have been suckered all of these years. But Bill and Hillary demonstrated what we really mean to them. We feel really betrayed.

    Hillary supporters, you are not thinking straight. Just remember the drama of the Bill Clinton Administration. And what has he done since 2000? Who knows but he certainly did not become a saint. The Republicans will slice and dice her no matter how she fights back with her lies. The American people deserve better after the last 7 years.

    Obama for President.

    And after '08, I advocate AAs becoming independents so our voting block means something. No one will ever again take me for granted.

    Posted by JBrown April 25, 08 01:58 AM
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  1. In my view Obama has two significant negatives: 1) A demeanor that strikes some of us "low class" types as a combination of smuggness, arrogance, and disdain. and 2) Overbearing cult-like supporters who come across as obnoxiously delusional to many of us day to day working class citizens.
    I've voted in every Presidential election since 1972. At the Presidential level, I have always voted for either the Democratic or the Libertarian candidate. This may be the year I vote Republican.

    Posted by roccomazzi April 25, 08 02:20 AM
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  1. Have you ever seen the photo they use of her on all the cable shows like Chris Matthews?. He has two now. In the first, her face is shaped like an egg. Like a giant egg!! I s--t you not. (To you Madison Avenue types..This works great with the ladies.) But it makes her head look like a giant egg! Not exactly what you want if you're trying to get the fat and forty vote! The second photo looks like a middle-aged-female who cares about me. (Now I know that can't be true...)
    All kinding aside.
    Does anyone remember why the election was even close in 2000?
    Remember the last time she was given the healthcare issue to fix?
    Remember the "Contract with America" congress? They weren't Democrats???
    And a few other things so disgusting, I won't mention them here.
    Many voters had had enough, and unfortunately, the Democrats and Al Gore paid the tab.
    I think they're hoping America is throwing-back way more shots than she does.

    Posted by Bob Smith April 25, 08 02:25 AM
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  1. can't wait to see the clintons out of the race.

    Posted by tad April 25, 08 02:25 AM
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  1. Wake up folks! Gore did not lose! The Supreme Court appointed Bush!

    Posted by Gore-voter April 25, 08 02:39 AM
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  1. God bless Hillary Clinton. I hope everyone sends her the money she needs to win the nomination. It is not her fault that B.O. has an never ending supply of money which frankly makes no sense to me. I am sure one day we will get the whole story on where his money really came from, but for now,we are in the dark-no pun intended.

    Posted by Katie April 25, 08 02:52 AM
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  1. Hillary Clinton is a moron, she is the one who is unelectable, she cannot speak unless she's telling a lie, or cutting up Barack Obama. John McCain is far smarter than her, he's nailing her with video proof. Go and visit http://www.againsthillary.com/hillary-pictures/ scroll down a bit and you will see a video of Hillary Clinton paid for by John McCain. The website is called against Hillary Clinton. He has made at least a hundred that I know of, but the one on that website right now exposes her recent lies about understanding people who have guns, she's been saying that her Grandfather taught her to shoot a gun when she was little in Scranton Pennsylvania; in the video on another occasion she says "my father taught me to shoot a gun behind the cabin that my grandfather built in Scranton Pennsylvania. She goes around lying about her so-called faith and religion, she is not religious, far from it. In the clip you'll see a reporter ask her "when was the last time you shot a gun, and when was the last time you went to church?". She looked at the reporter and said "you know that's not a relevant question". If she were an honest woman she would have said, the last time I shot a gun was when I was little, and she would have said when she had last gone to church. Spread this around tell people, and for God's sake, make the media report this. To conclude go to that website, once the public sees even 1 video that John McCain has put together that contains all her lies; and believe me your mouth will be hanging open, it will be all over for that lying old goat, and McCain would win guaranteed. Obama must be the nominee, if people are truly interested in having a better life. Remember everyone, the Clintons were in the whitehouse for 2 terms, Hillary brags about what a great job they did. Why didn't the Clintons fix Healthcare before, for Pete's sake they only had 8 years to do it so why should we believe her now? She also brags about her so-called experience, LOOK AT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, IT'S FULL OF POLITICIANS WITH "EXPERIENCE" AND LOOK AT THE DEVASTATING STATE OF THE COUNTRY. I always say "sometimes experience equals corruption". Did you all know that when Monica Lewinski got that famous stain on her blue dress, Hillary was in the Whitehouse 2 doors down from where Bill and Monica were, what does that say about her judgement? Don't vote for her, the Clintons want back in the Whitehouse no matter what they have to do, it is scary and she must be stopped before it's too late.

    Posted by Lori April 25, 08 02:59 AM
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  1. Hillary is really not doing herself any favors. Plainly said I want her to get out. SHe is making herself look bad at this point.
    She is broke. She is a liar. She is a hypocrite. She is dirty. She is involved in a fraud scandal that would rock the presses if they were paying any attention. She is lookin haggard. She is unable to challenge Obama on the issues so she makes these personal attacks then points the finger when he fights back.
    Seriously I want her out because I want to see the drama end. I am ready to get on w. my life. This is really getting insane. Every single breath the candidates take is used to twist and embellish to gorge out a point that usually wasn't even meant.
    If the people in PA were persuaded because of the "bitter" / "elitist" comments then we should all shed a tear. As a nation we should have all reached out to that state and shook those folks awake!
    Hillar knew what he meant but ethics and morals had nothing to do with it. SHe took something she knew to be different than what it was and ran with it for the sake of winning a campaign. Obama has had plenty chances to take all kinds of shots at her and has basically tried to keep it light and brush it off. Not get involved in the SIlly Politics.
    Hillary needs to end this really. She is looking at it as losing. She should look at it as getting behind the most likely nominee of her party and the candidate of the people.
    SHe is not running because she believes the People have no better choice. SHe is running because she BELIEVES SHE IS THE BEST CHOICE!
    Meanwhile she is behind in all the math: pledged delegates, popular vote, swing vote. National Polling shows Obama is beating McCain. Watch that # swing drastically his way when the GE comes around.
    Obama won 1.5mil votes in PA. McCain won 550K votes in PA. Clinton won 1.8mil votes in PA. Even if 50% of her votes go to McCain he is still losing to Obama by at least 200K votes in PA. Being very generous.
    There is no way Obama is losing to McCain unless Clinton causes him to be seen as unelectable and it sticks. She will lose to McCain. No repub is voting for her. They hate her for sure. And even if they voted for her in the primary that doesn't mean they will vote for her if she is going up agains McCain and whoever he picks.
    This is all like a miniseries, crimedrama, reality tv, love story set in wartime. Its crazy!

    Posted by DemBra April 25, 08 03:00 AM
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  1. You can bet after this election, the Clintons will be owing a lot more favors to people...guess more terrorists will be let loose....


    Did you know he gave his own brother a pardon? His brother had been in jail for a year for cocaine distribution. Do you know what his brother said about Bill Clinton? That he had a nose like a Hoover (vacuum cleaner). When Clinton took office, he eliminated drug testing in the White House. Gee, I wonder why....

    Posted by usyankee April 25, 08 03:06 AM
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  1. Hillie is as tough and mean as a neocon, she do anything to clinge to power.
    Walking around in here uniform, yelling , screaming, lie and treathning other country with nuke.
    As the first female comming this far to mayby be president, should she not represend something new compare to men, what about compassion, healing, bringing together, helping, peace, instead she is so maskulin and tough as all the contender combind.
    She talks more about force, treathning, expanding your hated empire in the world
    She is a Bush 3 term

    She is a scarry women walking around ,hiding here big ass under here uniform,jelling , screaming and treathning to obliterating a country with nuke , that your own nie repport is saynig is many years from having one nuke.
    Would a country with one nuke attack israel that has as many as 200 nukes , come on why are you soo easy to fool everytime.

    Jb

    Posted by jimmy April 25, 08 03:28 AM
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  1. People, why do you think Republican party is selectively going after sen. Obama?
    There are only two conceivable options:

    1)Either they have some killer discrediting evidence against Hillary which they are keeping for the general elections, or
    2)Even if Hillary wins the presidency, that will not radically affect the republican stance & values (e.g. Perpetual War/ Tax cuts for The Reach/ Enforcement of a Police State etc.) nearly as much as in case with sen. Obama...

    In any of these cases, sen. Clinton is the obvious choice of the republican agenda, making her a de-facto compromise if not an enemy combatant!

    For me the choice is clear! Please vote responsibly, our future IS at stake here and now!

    Posted by TheBayArea Observer April 25, 08 03:50 AM
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  1. To think tht Hillary is actually due in a LA Superior Court tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. and the world has NO IDEA. Can you imagine if that would have been Barack??

    And now the pardons....Marc Rich? A billionaire fugitive who did illegal oil trading with Iran. GREAT! Pardon him and then threaten to OBLITERATE IRAN....make up your mind!

    What about being the Chair of the India Caucus? She's fighting for twice as many H1-B Visas to outsource low-income jobs....low income...pathetic Hillary!

    And did you happen to mention MONSANTO while in PA? Didn't think so. Chris Matthews says to "Google Wellesly College" and nothing comes up on her...not true there's an open letter by a woman she went to college with who is DISGUSTED with your association to MONSANTO, TYSON FOODS, and being on the board of WAL-MART.

    Gov Rendell praises Farrakhan on video for an hour and you insist Barack denounce AND REJECT him....Queen of Hypocrisy....

    Don't get me started...................

    Posted by MissTerri April 25, 08 03:55 AM
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  1. KingofPopx: Your big states summary just doesn't jive in regards to the GE. Democrats ALWAYS win those states. Whoever the dem nominee is will get them regardless, but Obama is able to get the red states. He attracts republicans and independents that would forego McWar for him.

    Hellary keeps asking why Obama can't close the deal. The question should really be WHY CAN'T HELLARY CLOSE THE DEAL?? She started off as the inevitible candidate with more money, more SD's, name recognition, an ex-potus spouse and leading by double digits in ALL the polls. So what happened?? With all that going for her, how can a newcomer stop her in her tracks, just like that??

    WHY THE HELL CAN'T SHE CLOSE THE DEAL??????

    Posted by Monique April 25, 08 03:59 AM
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  1. When fraud voting machines are put in the garbage and paper ballots used Hillary will wave bye bye real fast.Exit polls don't lie ..forever?

    The Clinton's are going commando and lying is something that comes natural for them.

    Would all the women Bill has sexually harassed since leaving office please come forward...Now.

    Thank You.

    Posted by Taylor April 25, 08 04:09 AM
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  1. Before you published this piece and stirred up all the Hillary haters, you should have consulted with the FEC itself or a lawyer familiar with FEC regulations. I practiced election law for 25 years, including FEC law. A lot has changed since I retired, but your story just did not sound right. So, I went back to FEC regulations to study this issue. I believe the following is true.

    The problem arises with how the FEC structures its reports, not with any failure by Hillary Clinton to disclose all her debts.

    Under FEC reporting requirements, a candidate's personal loan to her committee is not a "debt or other obligation." That category is reserved for debts owed to vendors. A loan, however, is treated as a "contribution" and must be reported as such. This Hillary has done. If she had lumped the loan in with "debts and other obligations" instead of listing it as a contribution, she would have violated FEC regulations. Payments on a personal candidate loan are considered "disbursements" rather than "expenditures."

    People unfamiliar with the details of FEC regulations typically think of the c&e reports as balance sheets. They are not. They are meant to disclose certain categories of information without balancing one category against another. Every term the FEC uses has its own definition, which does not necessarily correspond to common usage. This is situation here: a loan is not a debt.

    Posted by rblackbird April 25, 08 04:18 AM
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  1. here is why it is hard to be persuaded by obama's supporters - 20 of the 29 comments on this board are anti - clinton (instead of pro obama). what are these people advocating for (or more accurately, against)? it seems like there is less enthusiasm for obama than venom for clinton. one woman felt the need to put it in caps "I WILL NOT EVER VOTE FOR A CLINTON". and then there is the self described "middle-aged, post graduate, professional, white woman who will never vote for hillary clinton". she claims to know not a single person who would. oh, and then their is the guy who disparages "elderly hill folk". (that sure doesn't smack of elitism) this is really inspiring stuff from the legion of hope. maybe obama can elucidate for us his theory on why white, post-graduate, professionals are so "bitter", and why they cling to message boards and blogs in their antipathy to all things clinton.

    Posted by roger April 25, 08 04:28 AM
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  1. Peter Paul the Plantiff vs Clintons the Defendants is tomorrow morning @ 8:31 am downtown Los Angeles, CA. Hillary Clinton who is Peter Paul? Who is Peter Paul? Where's that 1.2 millions plus? The case # is BC304174. By the way, is that account still open in New York at Morgan Stanley? That 100,000 dollars you ask Peter Paul to give to you? And you open an account under the name of Working Families Party (WFT), where you are hiding the money.

    PS...The worst thing I ever done in my FUCKING LIFE...was voting for Hillary Fucking Clinton....

    Posted by Trial April 25, 08 04:32 AM
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  1. Is it just me, or does it not make a whole lot of sense to allow old people to vote? If they are going to die in the next ten years anyway, what interest do they have in voting in the best interests of America's future. I think old people should only get 50% of a vote.

    Posted by Jack April 25, 08 04:33 AM
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  1. Simple fact. Hillary can't manage her finances and yet her supporters want her to manage our tax dollars? She can't even keep one Bill in check then how in the world is she going to manage all other bills. Evidently, she's no good when it comes to numbers.

    Posted by Thomas April 25, 08 04:52 AM
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  1. I admire that Obama during each debate, and in public forums, gave Hillary respect. She on the other hand, spoked down to him, attacked him with trival matters, played the race card to those in Pa., whom she knew were racists (Gov. Rendell) reminded his countrymen that they would never vote for a black man. Obama never brought up the scandals which she and Bill were involved in, or a campaign she screwed up with all the experience she claims to have. He could have stated that Bill Clinton is a liability, that the Republicans could have a field day explorting and with good cause. Obama is the better person for the presidency, he has character, he inspires, he hasn't been shaped by the Washington politics as the Clintons. The governor of California wasn't a political insider or expert, but wanted to do some good for his state. He has done quite well , considering his lack of experience. Experience isn't always what's needed. We need a fresh perspective, new ideas, from someone who's very American, but may not look like previous presidents!

    Posted by J.P. Ashe April 25, 08 05:01 AM
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  1. Isn't the date for the fraud case being set tomorrow? This $5 million has nothing to do with Peter Paul does it?

    Posted by Johnny April 25, 08 05:04 AM
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  1. It should surprise no one that she lies in official government filings since she lies to the American people -- and probably to herself -- constantly. Lies are like air and water to the clintons.

    Posted by Rich P. From Princeton April 25, 08 05:23 AM
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  1. When the press first began reporting presidential fundraising, they would say she/he had raised $X million, which total includes $Y million designated for the General election.

    Does her cash on hand now reported include money that can only be spent in the General election?

    Posted by John April 25, 08 05:48 AM
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  1. This is just more of the same from the Clintons. Lies, lies and more lies. Whatever it takes to get into the office they feel entitled to.

    I'm one of those new Democrats that have come on board because I believe in Obama. This whole thing with Clinton has reminded me why I was a Republican in the first place. Democrats eat their own. They are masters are pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

    At this point it's clear that the Billary strategy is to make Obama un-electable. Then either the super delegates won't let him run, or he does run while she works against him behind the scenes so that he loses, then she gets another go in 2012.

    Speaking strictly as a new comer to the party, I think it's time from the Democrats to say goodbye to the Clintons and their way of politics.

    Posted by Ed Shull April 25, 08 05:53 AM
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  1. What about all of those murders that circulated around the Clintons and their associates and employees. check this out and you'll understand why the Clintons has run such a negative campaign. They have power. These are documentories go to you tube for the rest its 12 chapters of murders around the Clintons.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1r65Ok0SiE&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2FgtHeX3LY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsxaGFLsgXU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0-HkVcMOSw&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls9yD4ZC6tA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo5yF-hu9C4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9szhm3JzJvA&feature=related

    Posted by Brenda April 25, 08 06:22 AM
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  1. Why is the media feeding into her bull. Is it that they know that Obama is leading and they're afraid that he has aa good chance of winning.
    A vote for Hillary puts a stamp on lying, cheating, and deceit. What are our children learning: that it's ok to lie, steal, cheat and demean people in order to get what you want. If the DNC doesn't do something about her soon, they will lose a lot of voter support. I know that many people agree with me that they cannot and will not vote for Hillary because of what she stands for. She disgusts me!

    Posted by margie harris April 25, 08 06:23 AM
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  1. Do you note that Hillary is not mentioning Texas as one of the large states? That is because Barack Obama won: 99 delegatesObama and 94 delegatesClinton.

    Is Texas a large state or does it not matter either!

    Posted by margie harris April 25, 08 06:28 AM
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  1. To RKT
    Sir, your comments are as important as those of anyone else, which can be taken any way you choose.
    That being said, Costa Rica is lovely and inexpensive. There is a large expat community. Start getting Tika Times on the internet. I note that a young companion will set you back about $250 to $300 per week,which compares rather favourably to those charged by the Emperor's Club (ex Gov Spitzer take note - although whether they use toys and let you keep your socks on during sex might incur a surcharge!)

    Posted by Rolf April 25, 08 06:54 AM
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  1. check out hrc's website...basically minimum activity/viewer response...nothing to establish her claimed "surge" of 100,000 on-line donors @ 10 million....liar liar pantsuit on fire....

    Posted by jules April 25, 08 06:55 AM
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  1. What the Clinton’s Have Taught Our Children

    1) Losing is not an option; change the rules if you lose
    2) Lying is acceptable
    3) If you’re caught lying; lie your way our of it
    4) Fatigue is a good excuse for any digression
    5) Authenticity is over-rated; you can be all things to all people
    6) Bullying and threatening are acceptable methods
    7) Name calling is part of life
    8) Balancing your check book is not important
    9) Friends and employees are interchangeable
    10) Oral sex is not really sex

    Posted by Lauren April 25, 08 06:56 AM
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  1. This is such a sick sorry site. The Media feeding frenzy trying to get Hillary to the finish line anyway she and they can so they can keep their ratings up. The destruction going on is 8 more years of George Bush with MeCain leading the charge. The spineless Democrats who won't come out for what is right has been going on for 2 years and ,once again they are watching to see how the wind blows before making an honest decison based on the results of the voters. Obama we are counting on you. Don't let the bumbs get you down.

    Posted by Jane Mark April 25, 08 07:00 AM
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  1. Maybe this is leftover Whitewater money or rent money Bill and Hillary collected when they were running a bed and breakfast for rich friends at the White House??? Could be more money Hillary loaned her campaign from the millions she made since becoming a US senator. Most likely it was $1 million each from 10 special interest groups or lobbyists who intend to buy 4 more years of another Clinton administration.

    Personally, I wouldn't contribute a dime to her campaign.

    Posted by GeorgeW April 25, 08 07:27 AM
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  1. Sorry Hill supporters, you thought your money was going to a winner and all she did was pay her bills off with your money.
    I think now that her bills are paid off she will probably drop out after Obama wins IN. and N.C.
    She and Bill didn't want to have to flip that 10million dollar debt.
    Now send all further donations to a winner and your party's soon to be nominee he will do the right thing with your money. He knows how to run a campaign.

    Oh on the toughness issue, like Obama said if you are tough you dont' have to talk about it or attack your opposition, it takes more toughness to hold restraint on a fellow party member. I however have no doubts that once he goes up against John McCain he will handle himself quite well, beside you can not go at John McCain the way Hillary would do it, it would back fire.

    Posted by GA. April 25, 08 07:34 AM
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  1. Hillary Clinton On Southern Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw 'Em"
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    Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


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    During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

    But a telling anecdote from her husband's administration shows Hillary Clinton's attitudes about the "lunch-bucket Democrats" are not exactly pristine.

    In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

    "Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."

    The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one candidate who understands the working-class needs.

    "I don't think [Obama] really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you," she said this week.

    But those who were at the event say the 1995 episode fits into her larger viewpoint. As Harry Boyte, the director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship who was at the retreat, told The Huffington Post: "[Hillary Clinton] sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Reagan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."

    A spokesperson for Clinton said the quote was taken out of context and did not reflect her true political philosophy. "This quote differs from the recollection of others who were in the room at the time this comment was allegedly made," said Jay Carson. "To be clear, that's not how she felt then and it's not how she feels now, and the proof is in how she has lived her life, the work she has done and the policies she has pushed and pursued over the last 35 years."

    Asked to produce a witness who would say that Clinton had been misquoted, Carson wrote: "So, you've got two guys we've barely heard of remembering a verbatim quote from 13 years ago?... Sounds totally and completely reliable."

    (Carson eventually put me in touch with a source who claimed to not have heard the quote -- see below). Barber's book was published in 2001.

    Perhaps even more telling than Hillary Clinton's proclamation, however, were the words from her husband that followed. As reported by Barber, Clinton "stepped in, calm and judicious, not irritated, as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades."

    I know how you feel. I understand Hillary's sense of outrage. It makes me mad too. Sure, we lost our base in the South; our boys voted for Gingrich. But let me tell you something. I know these boys. I grew up with them. Hardworking, poor, white boys, who feel left out, feel that our reforms always come at their expense. Think about it, every progressive advance our country has made since the Civil War has been on their backs. They're the ones asked to pay the price of progress. Now, we are the party of progress, but let me tell you, until we find a way to include these boys in our programs, until we stop making them pay the whole price of liberty for others, we are never going to unite our party, never really going to have change that sticks.
    If the tone and tenor of the above sounds familiar, it's because the message, Boyte says, is remarkably similar to what Obama was trying to convey in his now controversial remarks about small town America.

    "Well, yeah, absolutely," said Boyte, when asked if Obama and Bill Clinton were expressing the same political viewpoint (Boyte said he and his organization are neutral in the presidential race). "I think Obama's better-or-worse versions of this have always been that people are complicated. It comes from an organizing perspective. You don't write off people, everyone is complicated. It just depends on the issue. And that's what Bill Clinton was saying. He was a sentimental populist."

    Not to be lost in all this, as Boyte notes, is that Hillary Clinton has consistently been a "champion for the people who were helpless and powerless." But there is a political component to the mindset.

    "Hillary Clinton has a very strong customer view: the citizen is the customer and the government the vendor," said Boyte. "You can see it in Mark Penn's frame. In fact, last Christmas she had an ad of herself writing checks to different groups."

    Update: Jake Tapper, over at ABC, had highlighted the "screw em" quote back in October. His article was in reference to comments Sen. Clinton had made about Mississippi. Considering events this past week, the issue has taken on increased relevance.

    Late Update: The Clinton campaign put me in touch with Don Baer, President Clinton's speech writer at the time, who had attended the same meeting. He says: "I don't remember anything along those lines, at all. And I certainly don't remember Senator Clinton saying anything like that... they have their recollections of that, that is their business. The conversation, from my perspective, was moderated in tone."

    He did not, it should be noted, directly challenge the interpretations of Barber and Boyte.

    Baer's comments came at roughly the same moment that The New Republic published a blog post by Alan Wolfe, a professor of political science at Boston College, who was also at the retreat and says he too heard the quote. Noting Carson's remark -- "So, you've got two guys we've barely heard of remembering a verbatim quote from 13 years ago?... Sounds totally and completely reliable" -- Wolfe writes: "Make that three. I was there. I hope people have heard of me. And Barber and Boyte have it right."

    Posted by Howard April 25, 08 07:36 AM
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  1. If she is so great why is it she did not CLOSE THE DEAL in February? She says she has the experience and she has the name. Why is she having such a hard time beating Obama and we are almost into May so how is it we are to think she can beat John McCain, where is the logic in that.

    Posted by N. Garza April 25, 08 07:45 AM
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  1. These people have lied about everything and people still give them money ? I find this hard to believe that they have raised what they claim. I can't see how the people in Pennsylvania who supported her could give more than Food Stamps. If she pay her bill she is broke.

    Posted by Sarah April 25, 08 07:45 AM
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  1. Team Billary are two very desperate ego egomanics who bend the rules to suit their moment. Every thing they do is with the long view of how history will record the many accomplishements of this flawed disfunctional couple. He cheats, she looks the other way! She lies, he re-enforces her lies! We don't need these two misfits in the oval office!

    Posted by William Dollar April 25, 08 07:46 AM
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  1. Who can believe anything the Clintons claim? I wonder how much Obama has raised since PA...he probably raised that much or more and he has a huge warchest already.

    Posted by Sick of Clintons April 25, 08 08:00 AM
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  1. I'd call the Clintons TRAILER TRASH
    -- except that --
    those who actually live in trailers don't want the Clintons to move in and ruin the neighborhood.

    There is nothing presidential about either one of them.

    Hillary's legacy will be to make it more difficult for a woman to seek this office in the future. Everyone will remember her as a self-indulgent whiner focused only on herself at the expense of destroying a party.

    Posted by JP April 25, 08 08:09 AM
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  1. Isn't it astounding that someone with Hillary and Bill's connections can't raise enough money to run a campaign? Or is it that she can't manage her campaign? She owes that Penn creep 4 million dollars-- is that normal? Is this really what campaign managers are paid? What crooked crooked business.

    Posted by vote the creeps out 2008 April 25, 08 08:19 AM
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  1. So she will run the country like she is running her campaign in red!

    Posted by Jack Walden April 25, 08 08:21 AM
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  1. Is it only me that thinks that Hillary is being this close to be nominated by the REPUBLICAN PARTY?

    Posted by Otrova Gomas April 25, 08 08:32 AM
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  1. Hey Hill and Bill: pay the bills from these vendors, small business owners that you claim to know and love. Write a personal check from your $109 million dollar checking account rather than keep pleading for donations from "regular" folks. Pay the freaking bills already.

    Posted by Jen April 25, 08 08:34 AM
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  1. The price of going on for the Clintons will become exponentially more expensive. For what they have done in their dark reign and this insideous campaign, they merit impoverishment and persona non grata status. It is time for them to find an island( perhaps two islands). Do the Caymans have elected officials? Bill could buy that for her. She can become the queen of the Caymans! Dubai, perhaps?

    Posted by Charles Bowman April 25, 08 08:34 AM
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  1. It seems like "not reporting " or reporting false campaign contributions is normal in the Clinton mind. What ever happened with "The Peter Paul trial" ????Wasn't that being reported as "The Biggest Campaign FRAUD in History" ?????Why hasn't ANY NEWS organization reported on this?? Are they being PAID-OFF TOO ????The Clintons do have a lot of BAGGAGE, and I for one would like this to be re-ported on.Maybe this is what you call "censorship" ???

    Posted by Mykle April 25, 08 08:37 AM
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  1. The most important trait the American people want in a candidate is honesty. the Clintons have a history of being dishonest. I hate liars. That is have we got into this never-ending war. That is have the economy has been destroyed, through deceit and greed.

    Posted by Prince April 25, 08 08:37 AM
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  1. No problem... she can just snap her fingers and money will fall out of the heavens.

    Oh, wait, that's Obama, isn't it.

    Posted by William W. Wexler April 25, 08 08:40 AM
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  1. KingofPopx above at 6, like many supporters of Senator Clinton, seems to ignore historical information or to use it selectively. President Bill Clinton, along with his close advisor Hillary (as part of her often touted 35 years of experience), managed to lose the democratic majority in Congress for the first time in decades in the election subsequent to his entry into the White House. Some might argue the country really hasn't recovered since. Al Gore had a large handicap in that the exiting president did not go to work for him (not just in campaign speeches either), rather holding back with Mrs. Clinton's future run for the presidency already a discussed possibility.

    Why it is so hard for Clinton supporters to see that Hillary's campaign is only about Hillary, not about the Democratic Party or the country, is baffling. Haven't they noticed the destructiveness of her campaign tactics and rhetoric, or the serious right-wing leanings?

    As for being able to run the country, Senator Clinton said Wednesday that she is critical of our debt relations with China, implying that somehow she would right our fiscal ship. Yet Senator Clinton's presence was possible only by borrowed money. She has a terrible record in the debt department. In April she has spent $1.10 for every $1.00 her campaign brought in. (By contrast, Senator Obama spent $0.75 for every dollar his campaign brought in.) If she were to run the country as she runs her campaign (her only executive experience we can examine), then the country would be in major trouble.

    There is much speculation that Hillary is only trying to damage Senator Obama to help her own chances in 2012. There's a lot of evidence to support this position. Clinton supporters should wake up and smell the coffee.

    Posted by Jim in PA April 25, 08 08:43 AM
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  1. Note to KINGOFPOPx:

    So, Obama supporters are just a bunch of Democratic liberals ? Sort of proves the point that Hillary is the best Republican candidate in the Democratic primaries.

    For anyone who cares about the catastrophe that would befall us if Hillary is elected, take a gander at Hitchens' "No One Left To Lie To", a slim tome from the late 90s which provides chapter and verse about how Hillary, among other things, was in charge of the Bimbo Unit of Bill's operation. She wants credit for the last thirty years in which national health care failed, AFDC was repealed and NAFTA approved ?? The Clintons and the DLC have spent twenty years trying to remake the Democrat Party into a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party. As Ferdinand Lunenberg said years ago in 'Rich and Super Rich' the US is a Banana Republic. The biggest. And, with Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton, point proven.

    Posted by eastutican April 25, 08 08:47 AM
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  1. To Lady Professor

    Here, here! Well said. Honesty and integrity do it for me everytime.

    Posted by Gemma April 25, 08 08:48 AM
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  1. What are you people worried about? Whoever wins the nomination will squash McCain. Does anybody really think if Obama wins EVERY Clinton supporter will sit out the race or switch to McCain? And if Clinton wins EVERY Obama voter will pick up his ball and go home?

    Nobody, NOBODY wants another Republican president.

    Posted by Joe Neri April 25, 08 08:59 AM
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  1. Oh, I see..........My last entry wasn't "PRO-MEDIA" so it didn't cut the mustard. I'll try one more time. "The Biggest Campaign FRAUD in History"-Hillary's campaign for the Senate.Why isn't this NEWS ???Let's be FAIR,if this was how Obama raised his campaign cash it would be REPORTED on EVERY NEWS CHANNEL !!!!!Also she "FORGOT" about reporting 5 MILLION DOLLARS??? Who is the "ELITEST" now?? How could ANYONE "FORGET" about 5 MILLION DOLLARS???

    Posted by Mykle April 25, 08 09:00 AM
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  1. Why is the media not covering the Paul vs.Clinton hearing that begins today -- surprisingly the topic is again Clinton lies.

    Posted by Wendy Alexander April 25, 08 09:01 AM
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  1. geee is hilly and billy having fun in court today?
    hope they clobber her, and why isnt the media reporting this? oh well im sure they know and got paid off to keep it quiet.
    peter paul vs clintons and oh ya mr rendal is in trouble too.
    justice will prevail
    type in
    hillary project and read all about it

    Posted by carol April 25, 08 09:05 AM
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  1. Whatever lie suits the Clintons will be told. Business as usual, lie cheat steal.

    Posted by R Keith Gargus April 25, 08 09:08 AM
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  1. ARE YOU KIDDING.... SHE IS A MLLIONAIRE
    I don't get it, She wants YOUR VOICE then YOUR MONEY!

    She got money for 10 generation after her and you want me to believe that She is out of money. Look.... How can you buy that: Peoples gave 10 million in 24 hours to her in order to hear more of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl=

    SHE WANTS TO MOVE THE MILITARY FORCES TO CONTINUE THE WAR IN IRAN AND MIDDLE EAST ---- THEN HOW TO SAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR FOR HEALTH CARE PROGRAM..

    Posted by Formose April 25, 08 09:08 AM
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  1. Hillary is in debt while Obama continues to tap into more than 1.4 donors who are voting with their dollars for change. Given that 81 percent of Americans want to change the direction of our country, Hillary needs to accept that Bill will not get back to the White House. The Clinton brand of old politics is polarizing and divisive. That's what is keeping Congress from solving the immigration problem, making social security solvent and enacting universal health care.

    The Democrats elected in 2006 do not want to get pushed out of Congress in 2008 because of the return to the Clinton years when Republicans got the upper hand. We need Obama at the top of the ticket so that our party can continue to appeal to a wider coalition of Independents and Republican voters.

    Hillary is clinging to the past while the country demands change. It is not about gender or race in these historic times. We are adults who want a better future through a more perfect union.

    Posted by Michaele April 25, 08 09:10 AM
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  1. This woman can't manage her campaign staff and she is now begging for money having run through the 200 million she raised as the 3rd Clinton presidency candidiate - but we are to believe that she could run the country.

    What a sense of entitlement the Clinton's have. Don't look at what we do, just listen to what we say we do - even if we lie and make up stuff - anything to win.

    Bill and Hilary are two over achievers who have peaked and won't go away- regardless of the cost to the party and the country.

    Posted by bia April 25, 08 09:12 AM
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  1. I believe that once Senator Obama is permitted to get his message out to blue collar white democrats he will be able to win them over. The biggest problem he has at the moment is the threat he poses to all of the main stream, intrenched power brokers. They know that a grass roots movement such as Obama's poses a great danger to them.

    Consider the Clinton machine that he has been confronting. This machine not only includes democratic cronies but corporate bigwigs. Remember Hillary was the front runner until February. Everyone thought that it was inevitable. Certain politicians staked their future on running on the Clinton band wagon. Obama has continued to make inroads where the MSM thought he couldn't. His biggest problem is that he has consistently taken the high road and refused to be dragged into the gutter that the Clintons have been prodding him to descend into. He has not been afraid to enter so-called enemy territory with his grass roots organizers. Democrats need to recognize what he truly represents and support him to the end. The problem is that the party continues to cower at the thought of running on their principles. The Democrats need to stick to their guns and not blink. If the Clintons convince the Democrats that they are the only saviors then what happens to the party in the next 4 or 8 years when there will not be these so called saviors? If the Democrats don't think that they can run on their beliefs and principles then their shallowness will show through to the voting public.

    Posted by Clear minded independant April 25, 08 09:13 AM
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  1. America's Evita (Hillary) is at it again with the misdirection, misspeaking and misleading! Her Machiavellian behaviour is text book! What I don't understand is her sheep (followers) who embrace every lie unquestionably - WOW!

    Posted by Ohioliberal April 25, 08 09:15 AM
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  1. Ok. We need to dispel the "clintons know how to win" mantra because it isn't true. In fact, they are very good at not doing well. Take 1992: here we have Bill against a sitting president with approval ratings in the toilet; the perception of the country being in a recession (actual figures suggested we were out of it by 3Q92). The sitting president was also widely believed to be exceedingly out of touch. In addition, we have what turned out to be an utterly crazy nutjob running as a third-party candidate. What was the Clinton vote take in that election: 43%. Then, in 1994, after just two years of the Clinton political acumen on display, the Democrats lose the House for the first time in 40 years. Then comes 1996. The economy is doing very well. The GOP puts up who? Bob Dole. Who else runs? Oh yeah...the crazy guy again. What's the Clinton's take? 49%. They gained a few seats in the Congress, admittedly unprecedented, but can't take back either House of Congress. The 1994 midterm landslide was so huge that not one GOP elected anything lost in the entire country. There was a net change of 54 seats in the House. Finally, in her senate campaigns: she goes against Rick Lazio, unpopular nobody except to a few people. Finally, she runs against a guy nobody has ever heard of. She wins of course. So...the Clintons have had some great fate. Bill ran twice in a three-way race: once against a very unpopular president in a perceived recession and a crazy and couldn't get close to 50%; twice against a sacrficial lamb candidate and the same crazy with a great economy and still couldn't get 50%. She runs against two nobodies. If she were to go up against McCain, BY HERSELF, with the Republican attack machine and knowing the best way to unite the GOP and increase their turnout is Hillary Clinton as a candidate (and let's not forget a 50% disapproval nationwide), she would lose and lose badly.

    Posted by Steve Pipenger (http://stevepipenger.blogspot.com/ April 25, 08 09:23 AM
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  1. From Blacks4Barack...CALL DNC TODAY !!! Stress THE FACT !! Clinton Has Lost ENTIRE BLACK VOTE !

    While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is.....BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where's THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates.......with close to zero black support !!! Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !

    It is time for EVERYONE to contact the DNC and every superdelegate and remind them that due to her own actions HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! SPEAK OUT !!!!

    Call The DNC TODAY at 202-863-8000 or contact them at Democrats.org.

    This is in no way meant to be racial. We are all in this together....blacks, whites, young, old, rich and poor......working together for a better America. But the fact that Hillary Clinton (wife of 'The First Black President', who started this campaign with 82% of the black support) has lost the support of an entire race of people....is not only pitiful.....but should be made....a very well known FACT !

    Visit: Blacks4Barack.org
    (A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth !)

    SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE !

    Posted by Greg Jones April 25, 08 09:35 AM
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  1. I live in NY and I am Republican. I want no part of HRC getting a shot at the presidency. She is untrustworthy and thrives in dirty politics. With all the complaints of cover-ups and strong-arm politics going on now in Washington, can you imagine the mess with her at the helm? McCain or Obama, no problem. But HRC? I'll be sick. She is just using our state as a stepping stone and she has done nothing for us. Don't buy her twisted stories!! I will take an unknown person (Obama) any day over the known deceptive and secretive practices of HRC

    Posted by TP in Upstate NY April 25, 08 09:42 AM
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  1. Hillary is a liar. She didn't report her 5 mil loan because it has already been paid off by donations with interest. She rather payback herself first, than the thousand of vendors, or provide healthcare to her staff.

    Posted by sonya April 25, 08 09:51 AM
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  1. huh, just like when moron* doesn't include the price tag for Iraq in the budget.

    Posted by Thomas Jefferson April 25, 08 09:52 AM
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  1. Or Bill loaned her 10 mil. You got to be careful on how the Clinton's parse words the "10 mil and counting online". Could mean that they got 10 million from Bill and they are still counting the online donations. In listening to the Clintons, I will not believe she raised 10 million in 24 hours. There were so many gaffees and clarifications going on between Terry MCAfflufe and the Clinton finance director as to money raised vs projection.

    Posted by sonya April 25, 08 09:57 AM
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  1. Hillary is trying to change the rules at the end of the game.The race started last year and it was all about winning states' delegates,as it has been done in all primaries in many races before,and it was all understood and agreed upon by all candidates. Also what was agreed upon that Florida and Michigan votes do not count.
    Now that Hillary cannot achieve that, she wanted to start he own new rule.."I've got more popular votes than any one", she claims that by adding Florida and Michigan to her winning column. She is crying that peoples' voices in Florida & Michigan must be heard.
    Hillary and her husband Bill have been attacking Caucuses conducted by many states because the Clintons netted nothing in most of these caucuses contest
    Applying only the popular vote ,as the Clintons hope,will deprive small states of true representation, because Hillary popular votes came from few populates states like N.York,California,Ohio,Pennsylbvania,New Jersey, Texas and few others..Such system that includes only the popular votes of few states is flawed and lacks true representation..That's why we have the 'elected delegates' system and not the 'popular vote' to give better represetnation to states.Simply Hillary wants to change the rules at the end of the race so the rules can give her the nomination...
    While Hillary wants people voice to be heard..she does not mind ignoring other Cauces states and their committed delegates ,and stick with popular vote ,if this will giver her a win.
    She is not talking now about elected delegates anymore...she lost that battle ..She is now talking about popular votes applying the Clintons fuzzy math..

    Posted by Randy April 25, 08 10:05 AM
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  1. Even if the Clintons manage to steal the nomination, We the People would still
    owe Barack a tremendous debt of gratitude for laying bare the true character of
    Hillary for all the world to see. We've had a sociopathic Presidency the past
    seven-plus years and a narcissistic personality disorder Presidency before that.
    If our citizens are okay with another four years of pathological dishonesty, then
    so be it, in which case I'm immigrating to Holland.

    Posted by george w. reykdal April 25, 08 10:13 AM
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  1. As a woman residing in NY state (my whole life) who is a left-leaning Independent voter, I am truly astounded and horrified at the number of women Democrats who are blindly loyal to Hillary Clinton. I myself used to admire her during the Bill Clinton administration years, because I thought she handled the Monica debacle and right-wing attacks on her with a fair amount of grace, dignity and courage. I happily voted for Hillary in her first NY State Senate run, and was glad to see she blew away her GOP rival. However, her actions since then have increasingly convinced me that Hillary is a ruthless, self-serving political animal who will do ANYTHING to further HER OWN political ambitions. I mean ANYTHING. Her support for a flag-burning amendment; her vote for the Iraq invasion; her vote to label the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organization (clearly helping to set up Cheney's neocon plans to invade Iran); her vote AGAINST a ban on those child-murdering Cluster Bombs (the bombs that just keep on killing, for decades after they're dropped); her cozying up to Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Fox News, and other right-wing hate-mongers; and her hateful, viciously negative campaign tactics against Obama have been more than enough to open my eyes to Hillary's truly despicable nature. Because of this, learning of her blatant and repeated lies about having to flee sniper fire upon landing in Bosnia, didn't shock me as they did many others this past month. What does shock me is how ANYONE can continue to support Hillary, once they've learned of these lies. Especially all these women feminists. Don't they know that Hillary has repeatedly suggested that Democrats should "compromise" with the religious right on the issue of abortion? (As if the religious right would EVER accept any kind of COMPROMISE on any religious issue of importance to them - they are bound and determined to force their religious practices and beliefs on the rest of us!) If these people who support Hillary really took a good/honest look at her record, they would begin to see that she has totally sold us out in the interests of her own ambitions. Why would they want a President who is so ruthlessly self-focused that she would sell us out in this way? Even when she doesn't have to? Just on the belief that selling-out on important issues will make her a more viable candidate in a Presidential General Election! Why would they vote for a person like this? As an Independent (who was raised by Nixon-supporting Republicans, BTW), I am sitting here scratching my head over it. Aren't Democrats supposed to be MORE progressive and thoughtful than the average population? How could these people be so gullible????? Hillary I've got figured, already. I just can't, for the life of me, figure out where most of her supporters are coming from!!!! What on earth are they THINKING???!!!!

    Posted by DonnaM April 25, 08 10:27 AM
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  1. Hillary is running to be John McCains VP

    Posted by Mia April 25, 08 10:31 AM
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  1. Wow - an amazing amount of passion and hostility. I've heard from many that if Hillary gets the nomination, they'll vote McCain against their principles on issues. It does feel like an echo chamber that doesn't quite align with the primary results.

    Here's how I see it going:

    Obama gets the nom.

    McCain crushes him. And maybe he turns out to be not terrible.

    It seems unlikely that Obama can beat McCain. The polls tend to lie re black v white elections (Doug Wilder polled 10 pts ahead in the VA governor's race, but only won by a hair). And the HC campaign has been pretty soft on him, relative to what the GOP will throw.

    HC can't get the nom, because the superdel's won't buck the popular vote (despite that being the very reason for their role). To do so would really rip the party apart. So instead, they'll lose and live to fight again in 2012.

    Not that HR would necessarily beat McC...but history on polls and election cycles suggests she has a clear (though not nec decisive) advantage over Obama.

    OK - those are my thoughts - let's get back to name-calling, petty misogyny and pretending one candidate walks on water and the other is Hitler...

    Posted by Bill PV April 25, 08 10:34 AM
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  1. "The difference between these spine-less liberal democrats and the Clintons .."

    Hillary would be the worst possible nominee. Anyone that cannot manage their own campaign should not be trusted to manage the country's economy. Not only does Hillary have difficulty with the truth (can you say sniper fire), she simply has far less experience than the eight or so democrats who were in the contest at the beginning of the year. I truly want to see a female in the WH some day but under no circumstances would I want to see Hillary as that lady. The Clinton's time has come and gone as Jim Clyburn has said. As an AA born in the mid-40s, Hillary's only chance of winning would be to continue the negatives attack. This may succeed in gettng her the nomination, even though i doublt it will, the 90% AAs voting for Obama would be lost forever. Putting it simply - Hillary will never be POTUS.

    Posted by AtlantaBill April 25, 08 10:36 AM
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  1. If an candidate can only receive $2,300 per person, how can Hillary loan herself $5,000,000. If she writes this off, isn't she in violation of the law.

    She lies so bad and it all over the news. How will any country respect her.

    Posted by Vicki April 25, 08 10:39 AM
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  1. Hillary should be getting online donations after her victory in PA. It is great news and all over the media. I donated another $300.00 to a great cause. It is worth every cent. She must keep fighting and go all the way. I would rather see the Democratic party torn to shreds and endure defeat than abandon HRC’s candidacy. The party has treated her shabbily from the start, and if HRC goes down to defeat, McCain gets my vote. I will volunteer to help him destroy the Democrats and the libs. HRC has endured nothing but sexism from the media and her own party. It was fine when she campaigned for other Democrats and raised funds for their campaigns. Keep fighting Hillary. Take the party down if it has to be that way.
    Hillary Now. Hillary forever. No way will I back anyone but HRC in the Democratic party. The party has taken women for granted too. This woman will walk away.
    — Posted by Maureen Scanlon

    Posted by Maureen Scanlon April 25, 08 10:46 AM
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  1. Hillary and Bill Clinton are exhausting and tiresome. We've got such a mess on our hands in this country. I don't want them back in the White House, trailing all their vanity and craziness.

    Stop the Drama indeed. And the cluelessness too. After 8 miserable years of a reality-challenged Pres., I don't want the delusional Clintons back in. Enough already -- time to grow up and move on.

    Senator Obama has the common sense and determination needed to at least begin to get us a better, saner track.
    Please ...

    Posted by cruella April 25, 08 10:48 AM
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  1. the clintons Just can get it right cant they if they wont be fair about everyone's joint decision in the DNC to disqualify florida and michigan, Lying about sniper fire, Not releasing her 07 tax returns, her log as first lady, and the clinton library donor list what else do we figure she has in store for the people of this demacratic party. The clintons feel that they are owed this election well think again the real vote of the people are for Obama. As for there math you can see the effects it will have on our already struggling education system. And like the vampires that those clintons seem to be stop praying on the fear of the innocent and less educated individuals who are taking their rice,mortgage, and gas money to fund your belly up campaign

    Posted by Politrixs April 25, 08 10:48 AM
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  1. I am a Obama supporter, I think the negative tones to the remarks made here about Hillary is not necessary. If Obama supporter want to win over Clinton supporter I think our tone should be that of Obama, he doesn't call name, or point to the obvious, he let's the truth stand on it's on merit we need to do the same. Hillary is intitled to stay in this race until someone reaches the magic number, however I do believe her tone needs to be lower, but if she doesn't it ok it only makes her look desperate. Let it go, she will do the right thing. PLEASE TONE DOWN THE HATE!. If all over you want something to hate how Rush limbaugh calling for a riot at the convention. What we need to do is contact the FCC and file a complaint. He made this statement on the 24 about 12 noon , PLEASE THIS HOW WE CAN BEST HELP OUR PARTY AND AMERICA GET PEOPLE LIKE RUSH OFF THE AIRWAVES. AND NOT LET RUSH CAUSE US TO DO ANYTHING THAT WILL BE PRECEIVED AS VIOLENT. IF THERE WAS TO BE A RIOT BUSH WOULD USHER IN MARSHALL LAW AND CANCEL THE ELECTION, MEANING HE WOULD REMAIN IN OFFICE... GET A CLUE FOLKS YOU ARE NOT WATCHING THE BALL, YOU ARE BEING DISTRACTED.

    Posted by kathy hussien smith April 25, 08 11:04 AM
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  1. Hillary will fight to the end. That's what we need for the next Democratic President of the USA. We need someone who can WIN (not come really close) and get things done and I believe that she is the BEST candidate for that.


    I am not going to waste my time putting down Obama. He is good too - I just think she is better. We need a leader who has "The Kill" in order to win

    Whatever the so called "rules" are, I believe we need to to count Michigan & Florida -as they vote in a general Election. Rules can be twisted any way (depending on who is looking at them) and the Clintons use this to get things done- that's why they are both great Politicians.

    Posted by Daniel Hepner April 25, 08 11:12 AM
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  1. If Hillary "knows how to win"..... why is she losing?
    If one asks why can't Obama close the deal.....ask yourself why can't she?
    How anyone can think that she is a "winner" is ridiculous. She ran a terrible campaign on a stale platform and now she wants to cheat to win.

    She is a SCUMBAG!

    Posted by susievoter April 25, 08 11:13 AM
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  1. A week from now CLINTONS WILL BE HISTORY! We had enough Bush-Clintons in White House!.... It's time for us to have a better future! Let's crash the neck of HRC, the liar, in NC and Indiana...and focus on McBush before Clintons DESTROY the democratic party and give Republicans four more years...It;s obvious that Clinton is helping McCain to win in November, so she could run in 2012.. People, don't let that happen.. The whole world is watching you in NC and Indiana! We are so blessed to have Barack Obana - a decent man and talented politician.. Let's give him a chance!

    Posted by Merry Rose, NYC April 25, 08 11:16 AM
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  1. I don't know what it is, but something about this whole primary STINKS!!! I just can't put my finger on it, but it looks like the media and mccain all want hilary clinton to win this thing, NO MATTER WHAT WE VOTERS WANT!!!! I say, let's take this into our hands and show these B#(%&#% who's the real DECIDERS!!!!!!!!
    She nor her husband controls this country as some have obviously come to believe. IT IS NOT HER TURN!!!!!

    Posted by DJ55 April 25, 08 11:28 AM
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  1. One canidate started their campaign on a lie. Which one was it

    Calling it as "a silly question," Sen.-_______ pledged "___ would resist any overtures to run for president or vice president before the end of ____ six-year term as a U.S. senator," the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

    Said _____: "I was elected yesterday. I have never set foot in the U.S. Senate. I've never worked in Washington. And the notion that somehow I'm immediately going to start running for higher office just doesn't make sense."

    Posted by Chicago Joe April 25, 08 11:34 AM
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  1. Bill Clinton's dalliance with Monica, and his lying about it, assured the Republican win. Gore never had a chance. Does anyone think "The Moron" Bush could have otherwise been elected?

    Why on earth do we want another Clinton in the White House? How do they deserve it?

    Posted by James April 25, 08 11:35 AM
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  1. WHY IS NONE OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORTING ON THIS?!! IF IT WAS OBAMA, IT WOULD BE ON EVERY NEWS STATION.....HERE'S JUST ONE SKELETON ABOUT TO EMERGE FROM HER CEMETERY.

    PETER PAUL v CLINTON, et al witness list -- this is going to be a mega event!

    Background: HillCAP.org

    You have not read about the trial date or Clinton depositions in the WASHINGTON POST, NEW YORK TIMES, LOS ANGELES TIMES, or any newspaper anywhere in the nation. You have not seen the story on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, or even FOX NEWS. The media blackout is astounding. The good news is that the blackout cannot go on forever. Besides the MSM, the entertainment press will be all over this. Even the comic book press will step in and their reporting will probably shame the MSM.


    It is really distressing that neither Rush nor Hannity has spoken about the trial date of a former president. Drudge has not written about it. Tony Snow gave me one minute a few days ago at the end of his show.


    So far, the only people who know that a trial date has been set for defendant William Clinton, et al are the FReepers, WND readers, NY SUN readers, and NewsMax readers. The rest of the press has boycotted the information.


    PLAINTIFF'S CASE MANAGEMENT STATEMENT


    Response to Question 17 – Discovery


    17 (b) In addition to written discovery on the parties, plaintiff intends to take the oral depositions of the following individuals:


    Cindy Adams
    Muhammad Ali
    Bob Anderson
    Paul Anka
    Army Archerd
    John Ashcroft
    Eric Ashenberg
    Alan Baumrucker
    Stephanie Berger
    Bruce Black
    Michael Bolton
    Toni Braxton
    James Brolin
    Cher
    Michael Chertoff
    Michael Cieply
    Adam Cirelski
    Chelsea Clinton
    Hillary Clinton
    Roger Clinton
    William Clinton
    Kelly Craighead
    Betty Curry
    Gray Davis fmr governor of CA
    Peter Dunne
    Fabio
    Cynthia Gershman
    Whoopi Goldberg
    Stephanie Gordon
    Al Gore
    Andrew Grossman
    Lloyd Grove
    Gerald Herrington
    Peter Halmagyi
    George Hamilton
    Chaka Khan
    Olivia Newton John
    William Johnson
    Susan Johnston
    Larry King
    Shawn King
    Patti LaBelle
    Stan Lee
    James Levin
    Robert Lorsch
    Edward Lozzi
    Stephen Machat
    Ken Madden
    Terrence McAuliffe
    Shirley McLaine
    Ron Morretti
    Stanley Myatt
    James Neville
    Dale Olson
    Tendo Oto
    Brad Pitt
    Kelly Preston
    Wolfgang Puck
    Christopher Ray
    Ray Reggie
    Edward Rendell
    Jonathan Rodgers
    Tony Rodham
    Paul Rodriguez
    David Rosen
    Brian Ross
    Diana Ross
    Jennifer Shasky
    David Smith
    Gary Smith
    Alana Hamilton Stewart
    Barbra Streisand
    Aaron Tonken
    John Travolta
    Franklin Urteaga
    Mike Wallace
    Norby Walters
    Pat Waters

    The Clintons will apparently be deposed in New York. Do you think anyone will notice? It is up to us to help them. We are only talking about these depositions being a few months away.

    Posted by DREAMSEEKER April 25, 08 11:40 AM
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  1. Americans love a lying presidents duh!

    Posted by tina April 25, 08 12:00 PM
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  1. I can't believe the Clinton campaign "misspoke" about the true state of their finances. Probably it was late at night and they were sleep deprived. And, of course, they immediately corrected themselves.

    Posted by willhunter April 25, 08 12:10 PM
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  1. She is a proven liar. Furthermore, If she can't run a competent campaign for president, which clearly she can't, how can the voters believe that she is capable of dealing with the vast range of issues she would encounter if she were elected? I agree with the other poster who said that they hope that Indiana and NC are listening/ watching closely.

    Posted by darcy April 25, 08 12:14 PM
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  1. There is a core of female supporters of Hillary who regard her candidacy as a
    monologue with their own vaginas. Bill and Hillary could be videotaped having
    a three-way with an armadillo and these supporters would scream "media
    bias".

    Posted by george w. reykdal April 25, 08 12:22 PM
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  1. is it because she just paid herself back the 5 mil she loaned to her camp a month ago? now she wants the people to donate her... shame on her!!!

    Posted by Myra April 25, 08 12:29 PM
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  1. iwhatever happen to the Peter Paul Vs Clinton fraud case? i thought it was scheduled for today in CA.... I guess the clinton influence is making all the media turn their back on it.

    Posted by Myra April 25, 08 12:31 PM
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  1. Who Believes the Clinton's. they gave us NAFTA this is the main problem. if the voters in Ohio, Indiana, Penn is dumb enough to vote for Hillary Clinton they will get what they deserve. another form of NAFTA, instead of looking at the real issues we're distracted by mainmedia on who wearing a lapel pin, and what someone did when Sen. Obama was 8 years old.!!! American voters Wise-up.

    Posted by Gins Hughes April 25, 08 12:45 PM
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  1. I live in Canada and I emailed a copy of the fraud lawsuit happening today to Hannity, Drudge, CNN, and MSNBC and asked why they are not reporting the fraud case of Paul vs Clintos and I have not recieved a response yet? Just think about it I live in Canada and I am aware of it! I think it is a shame that the common people of the great United States of America are not given the opportunity to "vet" the Clintons on this one. Is this even presidential? It is not going to affect my life really who becomes president (except when Hillary nukes the Iranians) but I am concerned about the level of low standards of reporting your media upholds. Isn't Fox owned by an individual who has endorsed Hillary?

    Posted by Julia Johnston April 25, 08 02:39 PM
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  1. I don't wish to attack Ms. Clinton- but she really disgusts me at this point. I just wish she would go away, but she will have to be driven away.

    Posted by raj towne April 25, 08 03:14 PM
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  1. Hey all of you who are frustrated about the tone the primary has taken: start e-mailing your thoughts to the "power brokers" in the Democratic Party, aka Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, etc. A lot is at stake. Also, contact newspapers and ask why they aren't carrying the information about paul vs clinton. Sad, but true, the majority of the American people are simply ignorant of what really goes on. I know how this works because my elderly mother in law takes at face value what is spoon fed to her by the main-stream media; people either don't have the time (working too much and exhausted, or are simply indifferent or apathetic). I guess that, if we as citizens can't do our job, then in November we will get what we deserve. Jefferson said something about that.

    I used to be one of those uninformed voters, but thought I was informed. While the entire Clinton debacle played out during Bill's presidency I didn' take the time to learn what was happening, and instead read what my local newspaper printed. In the past month I've read three books, written by investigative reporters, about the Clintons and their politics while in the White House. It made me sick to my stomach. Since then I've decided that in good conscience I could not, under any circumstances, vote for HRC. The lies and deceit are beyond believable. It is ironic that Pennsylvania handed HRC the primary because of low-inome, white voters. A book by Sally Biddel Smith quotes HRC as saying to Bill, regarding low income male voters in the South ( I didn't write the exact quote down and had to return the book the my library) something to the tone of "F--- 'em Bill. They aren't doing anything for you." I was stunned. How's that for loyalty to citizens? And yet, these are the very people who are bringing in the votes for her. If they only knew...

    Something has got to give in this country and it's up to us, the citizens, to rise up and tell the power brokers that we've had enough.

    Posted by Dawn April 25, 08 03:18 PM
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  1. Hillary has the habit of hiding and exaggerating everything, including her experience. Remember her tax filings, it simply states Bill made more than $1,000 in speaking fees when in fact he made millions of dollars. Let's not forget, the Clintons are in this election for sefish reason so they can use the presidency to enrich themselves. Their motive has nothing to do with helping the American people.
    One wonders why Bill did not get involved in one of the many Human Rights or benevolent causes like Carter or Gore? Instead, he chose to make millions of dollars as a lobbyst for China, Qatar, Canada and Colombia promoting trade deals that ship american jobs abroad? Having tested so much honey, I doubt he is going to stop if Hillary is elected.

    Posted by May April 25, 08 03:22 PM
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  1. PLEASE DEMOCRATS CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!!!STOP ALL THIS FOOLISH BICKERING AND VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama for President

    Yes WE Can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by jacie April 25, 08 03:26 PM
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  1. As a voter who respects and admires Hillary Clinton, and believes she is the best candidate for President, I have a difficult time with your venom.

    I identify with Hillary Clinton and believe in her. When you attack her, you attack me. You attack my hopes and dreams for my family, for my children and for my country.

    Your mean spirited comments are hurtful, and they tell me you think you are better than I am and that you look down on me. Your comments tell me that if I don't agree with your opinions about Hillary Clinton, then I too am all the nasty things you call her.

    Is this your way of persuading me that your candidate cares about uniting our country?

    This is so disheartening.

    --------------------------------
    Please accept our apology, we are not meaning to hurt you in anyway. However, we do not understand with the mean spirit that Hillary has demonstrated in this process, the way she attacks another democrat, the way she lies about so much, now and in the past; we truly do not understand how you can vote for a person like this to rule our country.

    Seriously, we ask ourselves why is it that Hillary, the person that has essentially taken away so many blue collar jobs across the country with NAFTA, is it that the blue collar workers can vote for her. It is evident in her own WH records that she promoted NAFTA and that this is their mind set on trade. When Mark Penn was caught in Columbia regarding FTA, why was he not fired if he was truly going behind the backs of the Clintons on an issue that she was suppose to be against? Have you ever wondered why., then initally spinned it as if he was fired, but then it came out that he was basically demoted but still plays a very active role in her campaign? When you put this with the Bosnia lie and the other lies she has been caugt in, do you not form a picture of something more than what she is willing to tell you as her supporter?

    You talk about your children, as a woman, I want my children to grow up with integrity, now I realize that we all have faults, some more than others. Is integrity not something you want your children to see in our president? Is there a moral standard you have set for your children and if so, how do you see the Clintons as a moral authority? Is this really the hopes and dreams you have for your children and your country?

    We are not attacking you directly and hope that you understand. Another point I might ask is that do you want your daughters to follow in the footsteps of Hillary? The reason I ask the question is that as a woman I want my daughter to have a voice at all times, I want her to know that woman have every right to reach for the sky in their careers, but I do not want her to think that playing the sexist card is good for her or the women that follow after her. She is to earn respect by working hard, it is certainly not as it once was for women. I am insulted that an intelligent woman would ask me to vote for her on the basis that she is a woman and that it is our time.

    Women have made tremendous advancements in todays society and many women are proud of the advancements we've made, but to tell my daughter to solict votes on that one premise is appauling to me because if her character is not that of a prudent, honorable, person of integrity, then no woman should vote for her because it would be a set back for women. When one woman takes the female movement in the wrong direction it will cause other women to be really ignored by men in the corporate world. I just truly do not understand why women are flocking to a woman that do not hold the integrity that I as a woman would want her to demostrate.

    Equally important is that women in the corporate world althoug they do not have to act like men, they should demostrate strength, not in fighting, but a strength in getting the job done with grace, dignity, and wisdom. Why would I want to vote for a woman that acts as if men are beating up on her and then cries in front of the cameras, but yet, talks and fights like she has everthing in control. It seems like a dramatic scene played in movies to get the sympathy of other women to feel that she is being beaten up on, then she tells a man that has truly demonstrated that he is a gentlemen in the true sense, that he is weak, after performing in front of the cameras in such a way that made women look weak.

    So as I say earlier, it is certainly not our mission or desire to make you feel hurt at all. But I must say, Hillary's supporters have not been so nice on the blogs either, in fact some of them have been downright nasty.

    My last question is how do you explain to your daughters or sons that this person was worthy of the highest office in the land after what happened during her husband's administration? He made the USA look terrible with his flings, he was disbarred, perjuried himself and simply a liar and Hillary is proving to be the same. So I guess I would like to know if this is the type of leadership you want your children to follow? The players are the same only the game is differernt, if you know what I mean.

    Do you not feel a moral obligation to your children to have them understand that integrity, honesty, and self confidence are more valuable than any amount of money in the world. Would you teach them to ignore the rules you have set for them? If not, then why would you support a person that knew the rules, signed for the rules, even in war, and then continue to change the rules because she misplanned and now need to overrule the rules. If this is what you want for your children I am shocked, because no mother I know wants this for her family.

    Again, as an Obama supporter, I apologize if we have hurt you in any way, it is certainly not our intentions. You are just as important than each of us and you have the right to vote for whomever you choose.

    God Bless you and your family.

    Posted by Angel April 25, 08 03:39 PM
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  1. Now we know why she wants more debates. The bottom line is her campaign can't go on hand to mouth but it's the media's fault for prolonging a race that's been over. Have we ever had a president who was chased by creditors?

    Posted by Bh In Phoenix April 25, 08 03:41 PM
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  1. No matter how I try I can't help but feel every time Clinton opens her mouth she is lying...

    Posted by ajm April 25, 08 04:54 PM
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  1. In the beginning I was really torn between Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama. I really liked both candidates. I may not have agreed with all of Bill's actions as a person, but I thought the country was in much better shape when he was president than it is today, or during the previous 2 republican presidents. Then gradually I was won over to Obama's side, but would have still been satisfied if Hillary had won. In the last 2 months, especially the last 6 weeks, I have come to really dislike Hillary and her campaign. I really think it is time she calls it quits, because she can't beat McCain. The Republicans and the fools like Rush Limbaugh are all pushing for her to win. Why? Because they know they can beat her.

    Posted by Vicki L. Wall April 25, 08 04:56 PM
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  1. "When it's do or die a Clinton will lie."

    And at any other waking moment.

    If a Clinton's lips are moving. a lie is flying.

    Posted by Chuckamok April 25, 08 04:58 PM
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  1. Last I heard they were on track. I hope the media would check and verify if she is telling the truth or not. Do you just get to say anyhting and not be questioned. I mean we spend 1000's of hours questioned folk who are not running for president, but hilary does not have to tells us about her 2007 taxes, her husbands contributor's, and now if she is being honest about her debt.

    Give me a break!

    I wish someone could sketch a cartoon with Mc Cain and Obama both attempting to fly but for Obama he has Hilary hanging on his angle, Hilary has Bill hanging on hers, and Bill has Chelsie hanging on his. What surprises me the most is how people fail to realize that this new Senator maybe has not finally put them away because he has a ex-president and his family working against him, he has a former 1st lady as the candidate, and he has 1000's of fat cats from the clinton administration against him. BUT HE IS WINNING!

    How quickly we forget what happened to Mc Cain when he ran against a former presidential familiy. He lost!

    Barack must be strong because he has more states, votes, and delegates. Oh, I forgot, according to Hilary none of that counts.

    Posted by LL Lewis April 25, 08 05:26 PM
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  1. Hillary is more sinned against than sinning (and it is not a close call)

    I think many of you Obama supporters are only happy when you have someone to savage. I seem to remember that the country was doing pretty well when Bill Clinton was president, flawed as he might be both as person and public servant.

    Obama will not lose to MCCain because of Hillary's campaign, which is softball by modern political standards. He will lose becuase he is so poorly served by his vampire supporters, and the rest of the country is taking notice.

    Posted by Michael S April 25, 08 05:27 PM
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  1. I find it comical that because Barrack Obama can outspend Hillary 3-1 in Ohio and Pennsyvlania and still lose, that somehow that makes Hillary look bad.

    Posted by Alessandro Machi April 25, 08 06:00 PM
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  1. To #32-California Voter,

    This is what Obama people, independents and republicans are trying to tell you: many, many people hate the Clintons and they hated them BEFORE there was a Barack Obama.

    I am an independent (conservative), who would have never voted for Hillary anyway. However, this Obama guy got my attention after Super Tuesday and made me look in the direction of the Democrats. I listened. I like most of what I heard. I like his integrity and sincerity. And his audacity to run his campaign without money from the special interests.

    Then I paid more attention and realized that the World is waiting for America to choose someone with goodwill towards them, instead of only in a greedy manner.
    For Americans who travel, it is nice to go to other countries and be warmly received again.

    It is not personal, it is just a preference to not have the divisiveness going on for the next 4-8 years.

    Posted by Gloria in Plano, Texas April 25, 08 06:37 PM
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  1. Lies, lies and more lies. This couple is sick. They think we are all stupid and mindless enough to overlook their shortcomings. They don't want their filthy laundry aired but are quick to pull everybody elses out. I don't want to keep repeating the mistakes of the past by trusting the Clintons to guide us in the future.

    Do you think Chelsea, their only child, will have a problem sending her child or her grandchildren to a good school or college.
    Heck, they could go to school for the next century and still have loot left.

    Who's out of touch?

    GIVE AMERICANS A BREAK!

    Posted by Kim VA April 25, 08 06:53 PM
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  1. To all of you Billary Fans.....This is who you would desire to run the ctry? A women who cannot even manage her own finances? I would rather have someone with a prosperity consicouness.....But of course Billary supporters are uneducated and poor so I guess from that perspective, buy now, pay later is okay huh?

    Absoutley sad.....Clinton needs to drop out now.....She is only preventing the inevitable......She has to suck it up and realize SHE LOST!!!! THE BIGGER THEY ARE THE HARDER THEY FALL!!!

    Posted by BUZZARD'S KORNER April 25, 08 07:40 PM
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  1. I hope the Super delegates reading these comments and open thier eyes.
    The Democrat party has really disappointed me to let all this BS from the Clinton keep going on.
    it gives me the opinion that they don't want Obama to get in because most of them are involved in lobbist and corporate companies.
    They don't want a change, because they are making to much money off them.
    They are hoping thatt he Clinton's knock out Obama so they don't have to.


    Posted by LVK-Pride April 26, 08 11:39 AM
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  1. Ed -
    I agree with you that Clinton must bear some responsibility for Gore's loss. In fact, if Bill had the decency to resign, to let Gore become president, I think Gore would have been re-elected. In fact, I was angry with Clinton back then for holding on to power in clearly selfish fashion -- good for him but not for the party, unconcerned for the future.

    Posted by mirth April 26, 08 11:41 PM
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  1. I bet a bunch of you idiots voted for Bush, now you slander Hillary! If your idea of a great leader is W you are dead-f*cking wrong. After wrecking the world and our country like he did, we need a complete 180 degree turnaround to clean up the mess and restore our country's worth. IT IS THAT BAD. A woman literally is a complete change. Obama is the old-worlds last hope of preventing a woman from having any power. I mean really, who is this guy? I know him to have an annoying campaign...one in which called my cellphone 3 times trying to get my vote. Stay out of my private life! Cold calls are a desperate tactic that shouldn't even be used in retail. And yes if you were wondering, I am a man.

    Posted by William, central California April 27, 08 01:26 PM
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  1. Is Hillary really an advocate of Universal Healthcare for our country??? According to the latest (4/25/08) Federal Election Commission's List of Debts by Vendor, HRC has not paid over $200,000 in medical premiums to cover the employees and their FAMILIES for health insurance. What is this called? Hipocracy? Is that how she is going make her presidential decisions when we call her at 3 a.m.? Hipocracy =Democracy?

    Posted by Katherine McLain May 7, 08 05:54 PM
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  1. I see Chelsea's Hedge fund company, maybe Hillary Clinton's loss is a bad debt sent to Chelsea's Avenue Capital Group — a New York hedge fund for distressed debts run by "Clinton friends.”
    .
    Hillary Clinton is the number one donor as "Hillary Rodham Clinton for President"
    which you can cross reference on Dun&Bradstreet.

    Or maybe Hillary is sending it to Clinton's Delaware Corporation "Clinton Mexico, Inc" or one of the many hundred other Delaware Corporations in Clinton's name.

    Terry McCauliffe, her campaign manager? Wasn't his wife the one in the space shuttle that just "accidentally" exploded? Must be a coincidence.

    Of course the Midwest land real estate transactions with USDA and young executive committee wouldn't have anything to do with these losses would they?

    Of course there are only about 38 foreclosures A WEEK there but that couldn't have anything to do with Countrywide Lending either would it?

    All those land owners losing their farms in Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, Georgia, all in the same region for the Region 8 of the Federal Reserve which puts them in distressed loan status, another Coincidence I'm sure.

    Of course it is probably also a coincidence that AIG with over 729 hits on Delaware Corporation Division, is also a CFR company as is Hillary Clinton (and Bill), (isn't there a book by that Title?)and [the] largest real Estate Co, in the US, particularly Shopping Malls, and the largest insurance company in the united states, with its own private fire protection company, (thank Heaven for that in California last year alone, what a financial devastation that could have been)

    I could be mistaken, but it appears that the greater the financial loss reported, the greater the distress report for the hedge fund profit.

    Maybe the Clintons should open up a "Laundromat" since it looks like a whole lot of dirty laundry on the line.

    Oh I know, maybe Hillary lost her 20m + funds somewhere between OBAMACLINTON2008, LLC in Delaware and Atlanta Georgia, or maybe she left at a Wal Mart somewhere after an eminent domain party.

    Posted by jeanette [Triplett] May 13, 08 04:56 PM
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