Democratic race combative again
The bitterness is back in the Democratic nomination fight.
In the latest sign, Barack Obama suggested to a forum on manufacturing today that rival Hillary Clinton had a beer Saturday night in Indiana as a photo opportunity to appeal to working class voters.
"Around election time, the candidates can't do enough for you. They'll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer."
The Clinton camp responded by sending reporters a series of photos of Obama having a beer and bowling -- and referring again to Obama's comments on "bitter" small town voters that started this latest back and forth.
“With all due respect, this is the same politician who spent six days posing for clichéd camera shots that included bowling gutterballs, walking around a sports bar, feeding a baby cow, and buying a ham at the Philly market (albeit one that cost $99.99 a pound)," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said in a statement. "Sen. Obama's speeches won’t hide his condescending views of Americans living in small towns."
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The pressure of leadership is obviously starting to get to Obama and his true colors are showing. I'm not a Hillary fan, but I refuse to be sweet-talked into voting for someone who is all talk and like his wife shares an inherent disdain for real Americans.
what a fraud! this guy is full of hyprocrisy. his words will come back to haunt him and it did...again.
So Hillary Clinton had a shot and a beer the other night. Last I heard, she's over 21 and alcohol is legal for consumption by adults.
The Obama hypocrisy is just sickening. I wish he would just go away. He is blanketing my state of Pennsylvania with his nauseating ads, then insulting us with his condescending comments made to his San Francisco buddies. We are not fooled.
I am a Pennsylvania attorney, but my dad was a coal miner. Both parents were devout Catholics. I don't take kindly to anyone looking down on them, or people like them. They instilled in me and my siblings a very strong work ethic, and a love for this country that is strong within me even after all that has been done to her, or in her name, over the past 8 years.
Nobama, nohow, no way, never.
Do we really know, who is Barack H Obama?The BITTER remarks :Religion,Guns.Smalltown America give us a very poor inside of his mind,just incase Bigtowners Stand for us April 22 let him go could be catastrophic for America.
I am so sick of Obama! His ads are driving me insane. I don't even like Clinton but he is driving me just to vote for her so he can get the hell out of this election!
As an observation the previous 3 comments seem to contain a good amount of dislike toward Obama and the word "fight" comes to mind. The same word Hillary uses so often in her campaign. I am seeing a real trend here, whereby Clinton supporters are "Fighters" and Obama supporters are "Peace Makers". I certainly hope Obama's approach prevails and we don't end up with another "Fighter" in the Whitehouse!!
Obama's machinations know no end and no limit. This clown will spin a web of lies into superficially "good" speeches. Do not be fooled by his duplicity. Oratory will not create jobs for America and empty words will not protect America.
Obama is the campaign for change. Obama will bring a change for greater inefficiency, corruption, and race-bullying on an unprecedented level.
Do not be tricked by a Leviathan Media who slants articles and stories in favor of Obama. Stop subscribing to these news sources and write emails about the need for objective journalism. Do not let latte liberals of the mainstream media allied with a racist campaign hijack the principles, values, and future of the American people.
OK, raise your hand if you WERE going to vote for Obama before his comments last week, but now will not.
Anybody?
Nope. Nobody is changing their minds. All this noise is from people who were against Obama already.
Obama's patronizing, demeaing stupid remarks about millions of Americans cemented my suspicions about him, and prompted me to send a donation to Clinton. She is a fighter who will put our country's interests first. My head and gut tell me that she will work hard to strengthen America's backbone - middle class workers.
People, he said "bitter" that's it. Are you all such victims of the endless demand for ratings that the news networks create by chruning up manufactured "controversy". Don't you understand that all this does is drive viewership and raise their precious ratings scores? Honestly, i expected more from the American people. Saying someone is bitter, and rightly so. I'm a democrat and i'm bitter about the last 8 years. I'm bitter about a faulty war and i'm bitter about not getting bin laden. Transform that bitterness into action and vote for change. I can't believe so many people still fall victim to class warfare and are manipulated by offhanded remarks. Truly sad.
People, he said "bitter" that's it. Are you all such victims of the endless demand for ratings that the news networks create by chruning up manufactured "controversy". Don't you understand that all this does is drive viewership and raise their precious ratings scores? Honestly, i expected more from the American people. Saying someone is bitter, and rightly so. I'm a democrat and i'm bitter about the last 8 years. I'm bitter about a faulty war and i'm bitter about not getting bin laden. Transform that bitterness into action and vote for change. I can't believe so many people still fall victim to class warfare and are manipulated by offhanded remarks. Truly sad.
senator barack hussein obama,please go away.you and your america hating wifewoud not be where you are if it were not for your america hating pastorthat you denied to have sit there for 20 years and this was the first time you heard these remarks is a very far stretch.don't you think so senator?
Slavicdiva wrote: "I am a Pennsylvania attorney, but my dad was a coal miner. Both parents were devout Catholics. I don't take kindly to anyone looking down on them, or people like them."
Then why are you apparently seperating yourself from them? Shame on you.
Obama wasn't looking down on anyone and as the attorney you say you are one would think you're intelligent enough to understand this. Me thinks you've not studied the man well enough to know who he really is and what he's made of. I'm an ex-veteran, corporate executive that was raised in the military and a devout Catholic and he's spot on what we average American want and need. We don't need anymore "elitists" that you brazingly support.
It sounds like Obama was right. There ARE alot of bitter minds out there-
pouring out bile for very little reason. I would think Clinton would be embarrassed trying to paint Obama as elitist. He was raised by a single mom, started out as a community organizer and just finished paying off his college loans five years ago. She has no shame.
Slavicdiva an attorney, her father was a coalminer, and both parents were “devout Catholics.” Those parents she wrote, “instilled in me and my siblings a very strong work ethic, and a love for this country that is strong within me even after all that has been done to her (presumably either Slavicdiva or perhaps the country), or in her name, over the past 8 years. She further wrote, “I don’t take kindly to anyone looking down on them, or people like them. Oh, did someone do that?
So, now we’ve heard from an attorney. That is who she/he claims to be, a group of professionals who as a class are not well liked, or trusted by the majority of Americans. One of them after all got O.J. off on murder in a highly televised trial, and many hardworking families perceive themselves as having been victimized by our justice system and lawyers they didn’t trust.
Slavicdiva is an unusual user name for someone who claims to be an attorney. One thing we know for sure. She/he is a Hillary supporter. In my opinion this post is just another example of the foolishness that we have seen in this primary campaign. Enough already, let’s stick to the facts and decide this race on meaningful issues. Which one of the contenders has the highest likelihood of positively improving the quality of life for all Americans? I, for one, will vote for Barack Obama, who is an honest man from Illinois.
I was a big Hillary supporter, but enough is enough. She represents the worst in American politics - cynical, dishonest, self-serving, and manipulative.
Its important that we have a president who is connected with the people. not one who made 109 million dollars and then turns around and tries to score cheap political points.
The media has failed in its duty aking obamas remarks out to be more than they are, while not talking about Clintons own sins over the past 3 decades,
Vote Clinton if you want more negativity and cynicism and worsening recession
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Obama said:"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter. They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
The three things: Gun, religion, and antipathy to ..., are placed on equal footing by Obama. There is no way in this context that he meant religion is a positive thing clung to by small town Americans.
I thought Obama was brainwashed by his pastor after staying for more than 20 years in the anti-American church. Now it turned out he despised religion, or at least, small town American's religion. This shows he just use religion as a tool to advance his personal goals.
Dear misr_y, when has Barack Obama "use(d) his religion as a tool to advance his personal goals?" Stop spreading fear, uncertainty, and distrust. The outcome of this election process is much to important to the future of America! This is a time of serious reflection, not political trickery, or uninformed posts.
Maybe I sound like a "typical white person" (akin to Obama's grandmother), but I must confess that going to church and hunting with guns and believing in legal immigration and American jobs are not activities and concepts embraced only during hard times. Thank God for YouTube and video phones. Otherwise, only the urban elites would have witnessed Obama's condescension, nodded in (utterly uniformed) agreement and kept all this to themselves.
Now are we to accept this version from Obama as to what he "really" was saying or should we wait for the 4th revision? What he said was what he thought and it wasn't any of this BS. He was talking in private with a group of elite supporters giving them a pat on the ole back. He was sharing insights with them trying to relate with a group of metropolitan rich somebodies. thus the "WE'LL" in the talk. The "They" was who he was talking about. The view he shared was how he saw it in his own words but it is a view held by this group as well. what he was telling them in straight talk is shorter and with less stammering involved. Why we have a hard time getting "THEY" on board with our movement is because Red Necks are lazy bitter people who are fanatical about there religion, gun and anti outsiders. They don't trust "WE" educated city folk or for that matter any outside person or country other then other red necks just like them. You know it is a race thing as to why they won't vote for me or accept our enlighten movement. NOW THAT IS WHAT HE SAID AND HOW HE FEELS AND ALL THE SPIN IN THE WORLD BY HIM OR THE BIAS MEDIA IS NOT GOING TO SUCKER THE AMERICAN RURAL PUBLIC!! SPEAKING AS A FORMER METRO "WE" WHO NOW HAS LIVED AMONG "THEY" FOR 20 YEARS HAVE TO SAY SORRY BARACK THAT IS NOT WHO "THEY" ARE!
THEY are hard working, God loving, kind, open hearted toward all others and who are love of life and country people!
Sorry people but Obama is wrong and I do not like all these talking heads and media hounds spinning Obama's words!as not being offensive but instead were right and true. I also am really tired of them telling me how I feel! who I am is one of the "THEY" Obama was sharing to is "WE" buddies about. What they all have wrong is that I am not bitter towards my country or my government for that matter or any other race of people or any other country or any other neighbors! Not city folk, not Hispanic folk, Not black folk! They are all welcome to my small town and my church where you will get and invite for dinner! We do have people in hard times and other who are not and we help each other through such times. We do want more jobs but not anymore or leas then any other part of this country. We count ourselves so very lucky to be able to live in a small town with a solid sense of community and core values of hard work, sharing, caring and God loving abound! Where we have the freedom to work and play. Where we can hunt and fish and live as we please. We are not bitter we are BLESSED!
No amount of Clinton sniping and grabbing at straws will extinguish the Obama lead - and for good reason.
Dear Roger, you describe the people who you claim to defend as “…God loving, kind, open hearted toward all others and who are love of life and country people!” How is it then that you don’t sound as though you are much like that at all. How is it that you just sound as though you are another Hillary or bust, diehard Clinton supporter?
Sad that some people are so threatened that their excuse to be bitter might be taken away by a man who will help us all make the changes needed. He will expect us all to give up our victimhood and roll up our sleeves to confront the real problems. Those who have set the stage for us to be so helpless to make change for the past, going on, 8 years are the Clinton's. So self-serving and self promoting. What have they really done for the Country? They profitted much more from Bill's Presidency than us regular folks did. They left us holding the bag. No more! And as an aside, what a poor identity for a 60 year old woman -
proving she can down shots with the big guys. She makes me sick.
"Around election time, the candidates can't do enough for you. They'll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals"- Are you not doing the same Mr. Obama? Only difference is that your promises are projected as inspirational by MSNBC, Chris Matthews and his cronies on his Hard Ball show.
Please don't elect Obama. You don't know this guy. He scares the hell out of me. He didn't have minimum decency to respect the culture of this country.
So, what did Obama say that wasn't true? I am a white liberal living in small town Indiana, and I see it every day. People here in "The Bible Belt" will always vote for fear driven and outdated notions that have kept this country from progressing to the potential that it truly holds. In fact, Obama pretty much hit the nail on the head. How else do you think Bush and his administration have kept such a stranglehold on the country for the last 7 plus years? Because small town voters do INDEED come out and vote for the very fear-rooted issues Obama named.
In fact, its nothing to see bumber sticker in my town that read things like: "God, Guns, Guts and Glory" Lets keep em all!" Need I say more??
Kudos to Obama for calling it as it really is!!
Poor "John K," Barack Obama he wrote, "...scares the hell out of me." I guess you must be one of those people who wants to hold on to the pain of the present moment, on the basis that the devil we know is better than what change might bring. Sounds to me as though you may be a little bitter. Don't fear, learn about what Barack Obama is all about. When you get all the facts, you find out that there is nothing to fear, but a whole lot to appreciate along with a bunch of new found hope that we may yet be able to build a better America for all of us, including you.
You people make me sick. You count people out for every stupid thing. Look at Hillary Clinton. Her LEAD campaign strategist is behind her back negotiating a trade agreement with Colombia that will indeed take more of our jobs. Her husband agrees with the agreement. Mark Penn is still working for her campaign. He said something regarding the state of the economy and you people find it your right to judge first of all a man running for the white house, and second take his comments completely out of context. You want to believe these petty ideas in order to make yourselves feel better for not voting for him. Look Barack Obama is a good man and father. I pray that he wins the presidency to prove selfish, ignorant, close minded individuals like yourselves. Barack Obama is what we need for our country to go in a different direction. The old way of politics is getting in the way of voting for the man that would do the best job and who is made for this. VOTE OBAMA 08!!! GET WITH IT, OR YOU WILL BE PUTTING MCCAIN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. They can rip Hillary apart and will. Obama is our only shot!!!
This whole controversy is stupid. You people are overly sensitive. Was it a stupid remark? YES. Was it forseeable? Yes. His words were wrongly formed, but sentiment is RIGHT on. I was bitter about this country, now I'm at abotu stage three of my therapy thanks to the Obama campaign. NO Clinton, NO McCain. Why no Clinton? Voted for Iraq. Why no McCain? Voted for Iraq. Simple. Why Obama? Hasn't supported Iraq at all, proof of good judgement...even W/O the NIE that Clinton did not even read. Come on people. KEep the "vision" thing going, here.
BTW, "urban elite?" You don't know how much of a oxymoron this sounds.
You talk about OBama like this! WHY? You will Kill yourself before you allow a Blackman to be your Leader. We've gone through this through with the Quarterback position to the Boardroom. Your Mental state of mine will not allow you to see positive possiblities.
America has lost creditability in the World because of the uneven practices that it has presented. The World in watching this Old time Lyching!!
When Annie-Get-Your-Gun-Lying-Hillary Clinton launches an attack on Obama's integrity which uses her campaign's "spin" on something he might, or might not, have said . . . that's just good 'ole Hill being a real pro, "fighting" experienced politician, not going down easily.
When Obama keeps his cool and doesn't respond, as he hasn't in about 60% of her endless attacks, he is labelled a wimp and Hillary says he's too soft to go up against the Republican attack machine.
When he does finally respond and attacks back, using facts about Hillary 's lies and deceit of voters NOT spin and mischief, everybody calls HIM names?
Read this piece by David Coleman - he actually was there and heard what Obama said. He reports it WITHOUT spin - and yet again, we see the intelligence, sincerity and truthfullness of the next President of the US.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-coleman/
Obama 08
Wow, here we go with the race card, were keeping the black man down again. What about the black people that are strictly supporting Obama because he is black?? I did not hear anything in your comment about what he stands for, just the plain fact of his race. That is pitiful.
Look at Hillary in the eyes when she talks, its a beattie eyed look that does not care about american peoples problems, she misses all the perks that she had when her husband was the president. I dont know Obama, Hillary, or Mccain, but out of all three what is any of their strong points? Hillary, paints herself as a hero , then her story turned out to be a zero, Mccain, a former POW, which i may say definitely believes in God and Country, but what will his health be in a year or two after the stress begins to build. Then their is Obama, yes a lot of us do not know what he is all about, but if we need change which we do, then lets give the person who by election rules is allowed to run for president, who is young, gets along with almost everyone he meets, and might actually do something that everyone benefits from. I know its a hard choice but america will get through this election through choice and the opportunity to vote, not by trying to find anything to down the candidates, trust me they are doing it to themselves