Obama momentum slows in Pennsylvania
Barack Obama's surge in Pennsylvania appears to have stopped after the controversy over his remarks about bitter small town voters clinging to guns and religion, according to a new poll.
But the Quinnipiac University survey, the first taken since coverage of the remarks, also doesn't show immediate evidence that Obama has been wounded.
The poll showed Hillary Clinton with a 50 percent to 44 percent lead over Obama, the same as a week earlier over Obama, who had been narrowing her lead from single digits.
Obama reinforced his overwhelming support among black voters, while Clinton held a 20-percentage-point edge among white voters, the poll found.
The survey also showed more of the bitterness that many Democrats are worrying about: 26 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee, while 19 percent of Obama's backers said they would support McCain if Clinton is the nominee.
The poll of 2,103 likely voters in the April 22 Democratic primary was conducted by telephone from Wednesday through Sunday. The news of Obama's comments at a fund-raiser in San Francisco broke on Friday night. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.
Obama tried albeit somewhat unsuccessfully to answer a question in a heartfelt way that like Negros of slavery time who also turned to Religion & Music due to oppression and hard times and that small town America has very little to look forward to and so too turned to religion and hunting as a normal outlet and sometimes blamed their plight on immigrants! This excercise in "honest" judgment has been blown out of all proportions and taken up by Hillary & McCain and some in the Media to exploit for political gain, albeit with dishonesty and distorted statements to demean Obama for being honest. We have to asks ourselves as Americans "would we rather have politicians that lie to us or ones that tell us the truth no matter what?" Hillary's current assertion that her father taught her to "shoot ducks" behind the cottage that her grandfather built on Lake Winona as a little girl smells alot like "Bosnian Sniper Fire!" And, now we have Bill Clinton going around with his current False take on "bitterness" as another example of another -- excuse my blatantness -- "lying politician", with the following performance...
B. Clinton "[s]ays at campaign railly in Corydon, Indiana that throughout seven stops in North Carolina, 'Everywhere I go there are all these people with signs, saying I’m not bitter - I’m not bitter.' ABC’s Sarah Amos says his comments were well-received but 'not entirely accurate.' For instance, she says there were no signs at his rallies saying 'I’m not bitter,' as he claimed." -- This political couple has No Shame!
However, in light of the current fire storm and questionning and psychoanalyzing about the "bitterness" of small town America, maybe Obama has done us some good and we can finally bring or shed some light on just how bitter (or not) we really are and better yet -- the "Root Cause"!
As an attorney from a regional, outside the ivy league, school even I find Senator Obama's comments condescending. It is hard for me to fathom how one with his pedigree could be considered eagalitarian at all.
These comments are not contraversial. People are bitter and frustrated because government does not seem responsive. They seem incapable of making anything better. Government and leadership cant get us out of Iraq even when we vote for them to do so. They dont creat jobs even though we need them. Government has not improved public schools even though they have been failing for decades. So what can the vote do? Is there anything at all we can do? We watch hopelessly as 2 parties duke it out while the American ship sinks. Obama is right. We are bitter. Religion, guns our culture are the only things reliable so we vote on those issues even though people like Bush could care less about our economic well being.
I rather vote for McCain than Hitllary anyday.
obama will win !!!
"...This excercise in "honest" judgment has been blown out of all proportions and taken up by Hillary & McCain and some in the Media to exploit for political gain..."
This is the world of American Politics. One verbal misstep and your opponents are all over it. If Obama wants to play with the big boys, he had better grow up, take his shots and keep on going. No time for whining..get out there and run with the ball.
Richard
There is no defending of what Obama has said. He now is stating he "used a poor choice of words" This is the same man that said words are everything. His message is clear "Just sit back in your small little town and let us SMART ,RICH folk take care of your problems."
Obama is BAD news, period!
I'm not saying that the country is not ready for a minority president - just not Barack Hussein Obama.
obama will win and that will be the end of it i also agree with what angellight said and she is right about the things he will do for us as a country.
The momentum surge slowed after the hacks in your paper published a bogus poll. Oh thats right I forget the New York times pushes your buttons.
From my viewpoint, this is two Republican presidential candidates bashing one Democratic candidate. The Clintons never fooled me as Democrats.
I was undecided in looking at my choice for President, but this latest firestorm over Barack Obama's comments has made up my mind. The choice seems to me to be:
1. Someone who honestly attempts to communicate and cares enough to explore the possible root causes of the problems we share in our country. Obama
2. Someone who will distort the facts and make up lies about what was said to justify their position at any cost to the larger issues at stake. Hillary/Bush
3. Someone who will jump on the bandwagon for advantage, regardless of personal beliefs and swear up and down that their interpretation of the facts is the truth of a situation and stubbornly hold to their own perverted view of a situation. McCain.
Yes, I have made up my mind and the choice for a President we can count on is crystal clear. Obama '08
Yes, his momentum has slowed, but her lead has not increased. This is good news for PA Obama supporters who have one week left to narrow the lead.
As someone who resides in "the Alabama of PA", I can tell you that people are bitter about the way things are going. I felt Mr. Obama's comments, although they probably could have been worded a little better, were right on the mark.
Come on, PA! Let's end this pathetic, destructive primary right here next week.
Think. Research. Vote. Obama '08
Hi remarks were taken out of context. If you read the transcript of the speech you will see what Obama was really saying. The press likes sound bits so that is what the public gets, not the truth.
I am bitter everytime I fill up my car, I am bitter everytime I have to duck the Mortgage Company, I am bitter evertime I go to the grocery store, I am bitter everytime I get my check and its spent before I cash it. I really wish you guys would stick to the script on how are we going to get the middle class back to where it use to be. Hillary and Bill are both liars and I will not vote for either. The problem small towns have with Obama, is they are not use to being told the truth but if they really look at the statement and were honest they will find that we are all suffering right now and it goes beyond class or race. Hillary is the rich one and if she cares so much tell her to invest in these small towns and stop trying to take away jobs with her husband Trade Stance.
NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT, OBAMA'S TRUE COLORS COMES OUT WHEN HE SPEAKS LIKE THIS. IF HE WERE THE ONLY ONE RUNNING HE WOULDN'T WIN.
IN ADDITION HE IS CREATING MORE TENSION REGARDING RACE THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
LASTLY I PAY ENOUGH IN TAXES NO MORE. LET HIM PAY FOR HIS PRGRAMS THAT WILL HAND OUT GOVERNMENT MONEY TO LAZY, UNPRODUCTIVE, SELF CENTERED IDIOTS - OF ALL COLORS, RACES ....
A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM FACTCHECK.ORG ABOUT THE RACIST THEOLOGY OF OBAMA''S CHURCH:
The “theology” that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called “black liberation theology.” Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of “theology.” Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” *** These statements, and this “theology,” are fundamentally racist and divisive. The fact that Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years speaks volumes about his character and judgment, and flies in the face of his pronouncements about his ability and intent to “unite” this country.
When did America STOP being a FORGIVING sociaty? Last I checked America is built and proud of her christian values.This man Obama has appologized for his choice of words to discribe the obvious conditions of the economic situations of this country which undeniably are true. So can we forgive and forget and move on with a truthful non-partian politics and campaign that will bring A More Perfect Union. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS DIVINE HELP! on what is going on in-IRAQ, the ECONOMY,MORAL decadence in the society etc.
Obama the wordmaster is gonna be tap-dancin around these "misspoken" words for a long long time. He can try to "explain" once again what he, one of his associates or spouse "meant" but eventually, people are gonna get bored with the Obama Dance. I know I am.
It will be the jewish Lobby that decides americas fate ALWAYS HAS ALWAYS WILL BE !!
I only wish that Hillary Clinton could tell the truth, at least once when she speaks. She has shown herself to be a chronic liar. When she told the story about what she did when Martin Luther king was assasinated, that was a lie. During that period she was a Goldwater republican. Now she tells us about how her grandfather taught her to shoot, that is also a lie. I was once a Clinton supporter but now they have shown there true colors. If Hillary doesn't suspend her campaign, she will hand the presidency over to Senile Mccain. I believe that is what she is trying to do.
When the truth is told, then construed to be an unrealistic view, you know somebody has gotten very nervous. Even though I am not an Obama supporter, he has hit the nail on the head when it comes to this issue. Americans all across this Nation are outraged at this administration and this Congress for the continuous destruction of our economy and our position around the globe. We not only need change now, we have needed it for the last 5 years. When I see John McCain say people in this Nation are not bitter with this administration, I see someone that doesn't have a clue or, he just wants to spin the truth. I never thought I would vote Democrat but there has not been anyone out there until now that makes me feel as independent as Obama does. I will cast this vote as an American, not a party affiliate.
The person who wrote this article should be fired. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that Obama's momentum has slowed in PA. If the polls show no correlation to the remarks then why did this writer put the extremely misleading headline? Again, I think this person should be fired.
I'm sorry Angellight, I just don't think so. I think it reveals a typically ignorant liberal view of heartland America. I'm not religious because I'm "bitter", nor do I hunt and own several guns because I'm "bitter". Me and mine are quite chirpy about life, facing it's ups and downs with resolve and finding the good where we can, focused on not being a burden on anyone. We own guns because we love to hunt, pure and simple, and because all of us believe strongly in our right to defend ourselves and our children from the those that would take from us or harm from us. Senator Obama's comments are hypocritical, patronizing, insulting and personally degrading to all Christians and heartfelt supporters of our precious constitutional freedoms. Urbanite liberals seem to think we're all just stupid and not self-aware, when in fact I have advanced degrees in History and Law as do most of the people I socialize and hunt with. It just seems to me that it's okay to be biased, discriminatory and insulting towards "gun nuts" and "religious zealots" ... but not any other so-called "minority" groups ... Seems to me it's you the self-appointed liberal keepers self-righteousness that need a dose of self-awareness.
It's pathetic that Obama's truth-telling is distorted by the self-righteous Hillary Clinton and the smiling, opportunistic John McCain. Characterizations and generalities are always tricky, but Obama, who has a hard time being just folks (he's not; he's different in many ways), is on the money here. If you want to have a shot and a beer with a presidential candidate, Hillary or McCain will obligingly be your man. Obama aims higher, alienating those who prefer the comforts of platitudes and pandering.
As someone living in the UK I find it beyond belief that the statements made by Senator Obama have been taken to the levels they have. I am looking at the news across the world and seeing rising home foreclosures, political instability in Zimbabwe and a War in Iraq that is costing billions a month. Despite these and may other issues within the US and globally, people are trying to decipher whether the use of the word bitter was condescending. This has to be the most pathetic display of politics I have witnessed from a supposedly advanced society. The whole argument is BS. And that was not being condescending. Just HONEST.
BOSNIA
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
COLUMBIA
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
IRAQ VOTE
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
MONICA
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
NAFTA
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
HEALTHCARE (ASK IN 2009)
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
REST OF CURRENT PROMISES (ASK IN 2009)
"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"
- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.
I totally agree with blog by Angelight April 15, 2008 10:03 AM I could not have said it better myself. It is exactly what I have been feeling all along about this issue. I've always had great respect for Bill Clinton in the past, even after his affair. However, Hillary, along with her husband Bill, have changed my view about both of them. They want to win at all cost, even distorting information about another candidate so that he may look bad. Obama is one of reconciliation, which is the way of peace and not war, he is honest which means he can be trusted, and he is not "money-hungry" as the Clintons are, who possess over 100,000,000 dollars in assets. Shame on the Clintons. Obama is the one who represents the wonderful American people, not the "elitist" Clintons.
WE DO NOT WANT OUR PRESIDENT TO DECIDE at 3AM.
WE DO NOT WANT OUR PRESIDENT TO DECIDE at 3AM.
as she can't answer questions at 3PM itself.
Her husband claims She was sleepy when she told Bosnia story (was he saying she was dreaming of Sniper fires then)?
Obama tells the truth and you all know it. This politcally xorrect Bs needs to stop for this nation to move forward. His statements were all true.
SIMPLE:
Will GOP commit to GAS not hitting $6 a GALLON?
Will GOP commit to MILK not hitting $5 a GALLON?
Will GOP commit to STOP RELEASING BIN LADEN's TAPES?
Will GOP commit to STOP Showing FOX Terror LEVELS?
Will GOP commit to STOP abusing "CIVIL RIGHTS"?
Its all Evangelicals who made our life miserable.
SIMPLE:
GOP ~ GUNS
GOPS ~ GAS GOUGING
GOP ~ GAY (Not Literally)
GOP ~ GOD (Not Spiritually but just for VOTES)
I amamazed by the grace and dignity that Obama displays when faced with this sniping from those who would grab onto any real or imagined crumb, in their feeble attempts win at any cost.
Obama is willing to take a chance on communicating honestly and openly with the American public. He is stirring discussion and putting issues out there that need to be examined. He is treating the American voter with respect and as adults. Pennsylvania voters who are willing to accept Clinton's and McCain's reframing of the comments are lapsing into the typical role of voter as child. Grow up!
Obama is just what this country needs to start recovering from eight years of Bush-induced trauma, and that won't change no matter how many times you say his middle name, Mr. Brown. (here's a hint: people aren't nearly as stupid or racist as you think they are, and it will take more than repeating the word "Hussein" over and over again to change people's minds)
To Angellight:
If Obama was telling a great "truth", why didn't he tell it in a public gathering, instead of a closed-door event? If it was a great "truth", why did he admit that he made a mistake? So,
Words matter, or don't matter? Please tell me.
Imagine if the same words are from Hillary Clinton, what will media and voters treat her. Just imagine.
I am not a Hillary supporter, but I cannot stand your double standards on the candidates.
I for one will not vote for this oboma hussin guy -- come on this is America- this guy or his family has no history of giving anything to this country. I fear for this country-- under Mccain we will rage war in some other country. Under obama we will burn with in. Under Hillary we will grow!!! People dislike the clintons because their not like them. This country did very well under Bill. What is wrong with people today?????
This time its a Keyan going to rule America.Next time it will be a Nigerian.
I am bitter. Anyone who has any concept of what America has sacrificed since the start of the Iraqi war has a right to be bitter. I am not against anyone pointing it out since they are mere words. Senator Obama should not worry about anyone switching sides because of any one word he said. If you are going to switch sides for something so menial it is very likely that your going to vote for McCain anyway and your just using this as an excuse to bash a democrat.
Isn't it ironic and disheartening that the one politician who "dares" to tell the truth (albeit indelicately), gets taken entirely out of the original context of his words and also without regard for the somewhat cloistered audience it was intended for,?
On the other side we have a pathological liar with a warped sense of entitlement whose lies received much fairer contextual deconstruction! That's as it should be.
The MSM needs to give the truth the same contextual ttreatment. Obama was right.
Where is the coverage of the entire transcript of the speech? How about the parts about urban youth alienation? The Obama campaign released transcripts of the speech. I would like to see the same alacrity at work in putting the only statesman in the race's words in context as I saw when the MSM dug up footage to prove that the Bosnia sniper story was alie. Doesn't the truth deserve more respect? America deserves better than Hillary Clinton.
Does anyone know how we could get presidential candidate NOTA on the ballot in November? President NOTA would be a good choice for me. NOTA - None Of The Above!! After 8 years of what we had, a vacant oval office for 4 years might not be such a bad idea, especially with the 3 choices we have.
these are all clear examples of how unvetted of a politician Obama is. Senator Clinton has been there, done that. There is nothing new her opponents can spring up on her making her the more likely candidate to beat McCain in November.
I have been a Hillary supporter throughout this campaign, but at this point in time, I would say that Obama is the better of the two. What he said is absolutely right; it is not elitist. It is a correct view of the tragedy of America. People do cling to guns and to religion in a desperate, misguided attempt to have some power and control over their lives. Hillary has pounced on his comment as elitist and on him as being out of touch. I'm sorry, Hill, but he is as in touch as they get. People don't like the truth. They also do not like intelligence, which is why they voted for Bush, someone they could "drink a beer with." How insane. And look at what they got. We are in a mess and Obama is right that we should not be tearing each other down, but Hill, in her desperatenss, is doing just that. Get off of Obama and focus on reality: Democrats are going to again lose this election because they are not unified against Grandpa McCain. It is absolutely astonishing to me that McCain is the Republicans' choice for candidate. Hill and Barack, please team up and put the Republican party back in the garbage where they belong, with Bush and Cheney in the garbage truck's driver seat. They've ruined our beautiful country, but unless Hill & Barack get their acts together and stop trying to destroy each other, they'll be just as responsible for the problems we're enduing as the hideous henchmen that have consistently brought them about for the last 8 years.
This is good news for Obama supporters and for the country. Amazingly, we are resilient and less swayed by the media than I might have thought.
By this weekend, Obama will again start to close the gap.
Don Imus's remark about nappy headed hoes was not as racist as Obama's remark about the white hard working people of small town Pa.
Only difference is Imus got fired.The white American male is the most descriminated people in America.Wake up you white haters .
I truly feel that Clinton and McCain are trying to take Obama's word's out of contect. Meaning, my family is in the middle class grouping and I am ever so bitter about what is going on in our country. The largest factor that is affecting family finances are the high prices of gas. I have kept up with the media and there is no true justification to the continued increase in gas prices. The sad part is that greed is what is driving the majority of these prices. So many times I would like to have a conversation with the "important people" and ask them how can you live with what you are doing to people. I can only imagine what American's are going through that don't make alot of money. When it comes time to go over your finances so many people are having to choose one bill over the other. I do believe that Obama is in touch with and very aware of what people are going through. Unforntunately for Hilary, I don't believe that she can identify with what the average income American goes through. She was born wealthy and that is the only life she has ever known, so to me she as well as McCain are out of touch with what most American' go through. I believe that if the "important people who control gas and also those that allowed so many jobs to leave America, if they have to live off of what most American's make then they could show more compassion to the American people and truly try to redirect this economy.
President Barack Hussein Obama, get use to it!
Obama 2008!
VP Bill Richardson or Wes Clark!
Agree with Angellight fully, is it not true that nowadays a great percentage of us vote based on social issues? Like -as previously mentioned by Obama. Gun control issues, illegal immigration, and religion. We get out of bend when someone tells us what they think, specially if it does not matches our believes. We need to grow up and start voting on things that really matter:
1- Getting our kids out of that war
2- Improving our Economy (only possible if 1 is done first, not happening w/ McCain)
3- Improving our health care system.
I'd rather have someone who talks to me like a Grownup and not like a sensitive altar boy (no pun intended for the believers)
All this talk about Clinton supporters voting for McCain if Obama gets elected or vice versus is mostly hot air. Given that the only choice these voters will have in November is between a militaristic Bush clone with close ties to Christian fundamentalists and a visionary, intelligent, cutting edge democrat (which describes both Obama and Clinton) they will vote democratic. All, that is, but those who prefer petulance to responsibility.
My biggest hope is that when Clinton loses she will do so graciously encouraging her supporters to support Obama. What I fear is her bitterness. She has all the signs of being a poor loser.
Barack Obama told the truth by exposing what is happening in small towns and large towns in Pennsylvania and across America. People do cling to religion and guns to give themselves a sense of security in economically distressed times. Furthermore, a large segment of our society looks for scapegoats like immigrants, blacks or poor people to blame for their plight, when the real cause comes from politicians like Hillary and Bill Clinton and John McCain who have ignored their plight in favor of the elitist rich and well connected that they represent through the views of well-paid lobbyists in DC and on their campaign staffs. I have lost all respect for such politicians, who have chosen to put their own personal agenda to hold public office at any cost above the common good. Right on Barack!
Once again, with help from the media and Hillary/McCain, we are being distracted from the obvious: Our country is about to sink into a recession, brought on by the decisions and actions of the Bush Administration. We will be paying upwards of $3.50 a gallon for gas, and our grocery bills will increase by a third. PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE. Don't let this bitterGate take your eyes off the prize. I am so sick of turning on the TV and hearing about how Bitter Obama says I am. I am not BITTER: I AM MAD -- Mad that doctors are having to turn away Medicare patients. Mad that the schools, esp. in the inner cities, are crumbling and can't keep good teachers. Mad that Hillary is so desparate that she's having to stoop to this level. Mad that her desparation is making things bad for ALL DEMOCRATS. I'm voting for Obama.
Davis, I'm glad someone with an objective point of view chimed him. If you can tell this is media BS from 3,000 miles away, you'd think we could right here at home. I guess not...
It is shocking the lengths to which many people will go to discredit another person. Clinging to a choice of words, interpreting what someone did or didn't mean, talking about their wealth. Every one of the candidates has made missteps, every one of them is normal and by being normal is imperfect. Who cares? The issue is not what sells newspapers, the issue is who among the candidates can we reasonably expect to succeed with their approach to reviving an economy destroyed by inattention and our status as a world power tarnished by our own egocentrism. I could care less if Hillary cries, Obama misspeaks or McCain is old. Which one can bring us back from the brink and help us to rejoin the world? Hysteria and hyperbole won't solve our problems.
Frank, Where do you think most of our tax dollars go? To support idlers or to finance a war that has only benefitted the oil companies and defense contractors while you pay $3+ at the filling station?
I am a Clinton supporter, but I do feel that Obama's statement was not elitist . It was simply wrong.I grew up poor and yet I have always been strongly against organized religion and vehemently opposed to hunting. Likewise, the people who are pro hunting and support religion have probably always held these views. These people are not all poor or without work. People did not adopt their views simply because they lost their factory jobs. Obama was wrong to characterize people in this way. But every candidate has done this and the media sets the example. As voters, we need to stop jumping on every word the opposing candidate says. They all misspeak and will continue to do so. Each one of us should evaluate each candidate on the facts and make a well informed choice. entire picture together and come up with and well informed imageof each candidate and then
Oboma for Wrights replaceament. The two of them can count the churchs money every other week end. That way each can preach there balck dogma to their black friends.
If you want 4000 more to die
then McCain is your guy.
Barack Obama reminds me of "The Music Man" when Professor Harold Hill blew into River City to scam the town into buying the equipment yostert a boys band.
He waved the flag. He sold the uniforms. He sold the instruments. He did not have the skills to play the music.
I am a 61 year old former moderate republican turned independent who thought the dopey impeachment of bill clintion was a waste of time, money and opportunity. however hillary clinton is everything that is wrong in politics. this recent obama flap has revealed hillary to be manipulative, self absorbed and duplicitous. The sooner she is in the rear view mirror the better off we will be.
AL GORE; WHERE ARE YOU? OUR NATION TURNS ITS LONELY EYES TO YOU.
Well said, Angellight - I agree with everything you say. I want a President who will tell this country the truth, no matter how hard a pill it is to swallow. This is the only way we can get past 8 years of Neo-Conservative mis-rule/criminal activity.
By not dropping out of the race sooner and with all of her Karl Rovian tactics, Hillary Clinton is trying to tear the Democratic Party apart because of her sense of entitlement to be President. NOBODY is entitled to be President of the United States.
To win in pledged delegates (forget the superdelegates for the moment - a majority of them will vote for the leader in pledged delegates) Hillary would need to win in Pennsylvania by some huge margin (not 50 to 44 - more like 65 to 35) and do the same in every remaining Democratic primary. This is simply NOT going to happen.
As a resident of New York State, I will support, with both my time and money, any Democratic primary challenger to Hillary Clinton the next time she runs for her Senate seat in New York. We have to make it known to her and to her husband that there WILL be consequences to her political career if they continue their divisive tactics. I say this as someone who voted for Bill Clinton both times he ran for President, and who voted for Hillary when she ran for Senate.
If any of you were the people he was talking about, you wouldn't be responding to this article. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER! You wouldn't be computer-literate. I go to church in a small town. You have never even brushed against the bitterness he's talking about--the utter hopelessness that grows in them each day with reason. Churches prey upon these people to help them, just as Jesus did. They are ashamed of their plight and keep quiet about it. While I think I have nothing because I live from pay check to pay check, they think I'm a member of the upper middle class just because I can pay most of my bills every month. The people he's talking about were laid off of jobs a long time ago, don't have cars to look for work, and don't even look for work anymore. They are uneducated and not keeping up with the educated. Does that apply to any of you?
Davis,
The use of the word "bitter" is not what is pissing people off. The claim that people support the Second amendment, and believe in Christianity BECAUSE they are bitter, is the problem. This makes it fairly clear that Obama does not support second amendment rights, which a majority of people in the US do, and calls into question his religious faith, as he says people are Christian out of bitterness.
If he is being "honest" here, that is fine. But, I can't vote for someone with that belief system. I'm am a Christian and support the second amendment, and not for the reasons he seems to believe people do.
Zimbabwe, the world, etc., is not the issue. It is who would be best to lead the nation. His comments (taken with others he has made) indicate he is disconnected from values that are not far left, and people are noticing.
political intelligence - nope oxymoron
As long as corrupt politicians cling to their offices, then I'll cling to my guns. Thank you very much. But to think Hillary Clinton is somehow pro-gun and thinks any better of pro-gun rights working people is absurd. Hillary fears guns in the hands of the citizenry the most because she doesn't believe in freedom and civil rights.
The question here is whether we are looking for the truth or lies.
The truth is that people in small towns in States like pennsyvania are devastated and frustated because plants and industries are shut down and their jobs shipped to China via trade deals made by Clinton. It's also true that Govt. has neglected this people for the past 20yrs. Another truth is that the only institutions that have not failed this people is the Church, relatives and their culture. This is exactly what Obama meant and we all know it. The Bosnia snipper fire story is a disgraceful lie.
"Prime Minister Maliki is a good guy, a good man with a difficult job, and I support him," Bush told the VFW.
If the President, the VFW, John McCain, and and Fred Brown can support Nouri al-Maliki, then no one should have a problem voting for BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
Obama is an embarassment in the waiting. If the democrats choose him he will get slaughtered by McCain. He will make McCain into the next Reagan. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, the only people who will vote for him in the general election are blacks and the "under 25" crowd. I'd rather see all three of the candidates run against each other in a general election, because the polls show that many of the voters for one of the three wouldn't vote for the other anyway. We need to change our election process into a runoff election between the top 3 candidate.
The truth of the matter is, you will either vote for him or not. For those who do not want a black man as our president, merely because he is black, you will find a way to trash him again and again. I would suggest that we all dig deep to investigate our bias. I would hope that Americans were more intelligent in their voting patterns, clearly they have not been in the past. For those who think Hillary is an average gal, with a working class mentality, well, ask yourself whether she invited poor white girls to her slumber party, or to spend the night in her cozy home. Did she party with poor gals at her fancy dorm. Did she sip cocktails with the working class at happy hour when she left her big shot law firm? Answer the question and then again dig deep to investigate how you approach this issue.
OBAMA COMES OUT AS A HONEST PERSON BUT WHO WILL REQUIRE THE SUPPORT OF AN ABLE WHITE HOUSE TEAM.
DOES HILLLARY THINK THAT DRINKING BEER AND HAVING A CROWN ROYAL AS A CHASER MAKES HER LOOK LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS OR MORE OF A COMMONER, OR WHAT IS SHE TRYING TO PROVE? THAT SHE ISN'T AN ELIETEST? BORACK AND HIS WIFE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FREE RIDES...THEY HAVE HAD COLLEGE LOANS THAT THEY SPENT YEARS PAYING BACK AND HAVE JUST DONE SO IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT PAST. HE DOES WANT A BETTER LIFE FOR ALL OF US...HE WAS JUST TRYING TO CONVEY THE HOPLESSNESS THAT MANY PEOPLE FEEL TODAY.
Someone --please give me one reason anyone would vote for Obama? In any job there are requirements that you should met to just apply for the job. What requirement does he meet???This is just plain dumb. The man is a preacher and a hate white, hate america black person. My God what do people think he will do with our miltary? Have we Americans gone nuts???
Hello, my fellow sheep.
Listen carefully to O's tone of voice in the (not suppose to be recorded) speech to the his donors. Listening will tell you much more than the printed word. O cannot explain away his condescending tone.
The truth of the matter is, you will either vote for him or not. For those who do not want a black man as our president, merely because he is black, you will find a way to trash him again and again. I would suggest that we all dig deep to investigate our bias. I would hope that Americans were more intelligent in their voting patterns, clearly they have not been in the past. For those who think Hillary is an average gal, with a working class mentality, well, ask yourself whether she invited poor white girls to her slumber party, or to spend the night in her cozy home. Did she party with poor gals at her fancy dorm. Did she sip cocktails with the working class at happy hour when she left her big shot law firm? Answer the questions and then again dig deep to investigate how you approach this issue.
Of course people are bitter. I see it all the time. Why does the guy get shot down in flames for not only telling the truth but for having identified the root cause of the unease in America. Everyone else is skirting around the issues, rabbiting on about duck shoots and how much beer they can knock back. Realism not escapism is going to get America out of the doldrums. Here is someone who is so serious about effecting real change and so truthful abouut the issues that he will even risk losing votes over it. How sincere is that?
Mcskene, If you have advanced degrees in history and law then you are probably not one of the people to whom Obama was referring who has lost a manufacturing job and is currently working as a nurses aide for $11/hr because that is the only job you can find. If you want to believe that Obama was disparaging hunters and Christians in general you can do that, but if you take the time to read his entire remarks and think about them I would hope that you would find that what he was in fact saying is that people who are bitter about losing their jobs, who are struggling and believe that politicians simply don't care have tended to favor republicans who have taken the lead on gun rights, religion/abortion and race/immigration. And the truth is, Obama does not dismiss those issues as insignificant, in fact he has made a strong point of not wanting to concede them to the republicans.
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Obama tries a little "Straight Talk" and where does it get him? Denounced as elitist by two elitists much greater than he but far better at acting as "just plain" folks", a Republican forte. If you really want to see "bitterness", just wait if McCain is elected and a year from now continues to pursue the same failed Cheny/Bush poliicies. Sure all the white veterans and macho types will vote in lock step for McCain, because they "like him"and foil Obama, but any momentary satisfaction they get from that will be short-lived and they'll be the one's crying the loudest as they watch what's left of our country be sold off in larger and larger chunks to Chinese and Middle Eastern interests while paying $5.00 a gallon for gas. Stuck as we are with our obsolete and corrupt 18th century Presidential system that is actually an elected monarchy, there won't be any hope of change until 2012 and the extreme anger now will definitely turn bitter.. But by 2012 there may not be a country worth defending. Obama is the only chance we have a preventing this scenario from playing out.
Given that the UK like the rest of Europe (or whatever continent you folks are a part of) lost its spiritual compass a long time ago, I find it rich that some Brit would have the brass to even comment on religion and belief in the U.S. Zip it. If we Americans want the opinion of the British, we'll ask for it. Don't hold your breath.
Obama's comments were condescending. To posit that belief springs from material want misses the reason that people have spiritual lives. If you don't get that - then you don't *get it*. Obama's long membership in, and attendence at, a church that preached so called 'Black Liberation' theology (which in my opinion bears little resemblence to the Gospels of personal salvation and foregiveness found in the bible) tells me everything I need to know about his spirituality. He is either not really a true believer in the teachings of Jesus and not interested in nourishing his faith or it's all a sham to put a cloak of black respectibility on his political ambitions. These latest comments are just a piece with his overall cynical approach to belief and spirituality in America.
I don't like any of my choices for President, but I probably have the most problem with this callow, untested cynical candidate. Face it, if Obama were white, he would just be a smooth talking junior Senator from Illinois (assuming he even got that far). I don't care if he's black of white, but his race is neither a liability NOR an asset.
As you stated in your article, the news of Obama's negative comments about small town Pennsylvania broke on the internet on Friday. Considering the fact that these Obama comments are about rural America, you also must consider that these people are not that wired to the internet to have read about this on line. Furthermore, the main stream news media in their local areas didn't start to cover it until late Saturday at the earliest. Basicly this poll you sited( that ran from Wednesday to Sunday )would need to have been conducted after the negative Obama remarks on small town Pennsylvanians was widely dispersed to make any comparison of their impact relevant.
I'm in complete agreement with Davis Antoine: this "debate" on whether the use of the terms "bitter" and "cling" is fokol! (as we say in this part of the word i'm from). We got the essence or substance of what Sen. Obama wanted to convey. Moreover, he has apologized for not coming across the way he meant. But everyone should understand what he meant. In no way do the rest of the world find the description condescending or elitist. Can we discuss issues of importance please.
Sen. Obama's words have a ring of truth to them, but could have been better chosen. People everywhere cling to things when times are uncertain...it's not just small towns...listen to the immigration debate as proof...
However, he didn't claim to be dodging sniper fire or sing Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran...
The primary is over. Only question now is how much damage Sen. Clinton can do...If she keeps attacking she does damage. If she gets the super delegates to overthrow the voters she destroys the party...
The funny part is that the Democratic party has people so bamboozled that they think the Democrats give a rats arse about them beyond their vote to keep the party and its politicians in power. The republicans aren't much better but they are a little more honest about it but not by much. The Clintons are filthy rich and Obama is pulling in 1.67 million a year, these people don't know what it means to live paycheck to paycheck or to have to cut out things from their budget because of inflation. It was southern Democrats that enacted many of the Jim Crow laws and fought so hard against de-segregation, yet now supposedly the Democrats are the friend of the minority while they pander to them with special treatment yet do nothing to actually improve the situation. We throw billions at poverty to no avail.
Yes, Obama will be the next President. So lets find something important to talk about like why gas is $4 a gallon.
You know, the kind of stuff that is really important that the media doesn't want us to pay much attention to.
Just want to make this short and sweet.....To the people of Pennsylvania, and to all the rest of this great nation, Barack Obama started his presidential campaign with his sincerest commitment and wishes for "all" of us in every state of this union. He is being bashed and "sidewinded" buy McCain, and more specifically buy the insincere, and power hungry Clintons. Everyone in this nation should be able to see through the "Hillary-Billary" "gang-up" that is nothing more than a lust for, and grab for power ...again. Bill was a nice guy in his time, and Hillary went along with his B.S. (Why), but times have changed, and we definitly need a change from "money-grubbing" "NAFTA-NISTAS" (COULD THAT BE A WORD?). I ask you, "who really are the elite". The answer is ...NOT... the Obamas! Take a real hard look at the multimillionaire power hungry......and who might that be? Why, of course it's the "tag team" trying there level best to make us think that there's something wrong with Barack Obama. Let's face it my friends, everyone makes mistakes in life. We all have said the wrong things a time or three. None of us are perfect computerized machines that can constantly give out the absolute correct answer everytime. We all are bound to do and say wrong things more often than not. Does that make us "The Bad Guy"? ...NO... So why are we going to be influenced by a couple of people who obviously can't keep their own lives straight and honest? Look at their pasts! In closing, let me just say that. if your not worried about NAFTA, and if the idea of being lied to doesn't bother you, and if you want the obviously "corrupted tag team" of Hillary-Billary taking you for a further ride "Down Hill" (Hillary) than go right ahead and vote for that crying on target, condescending, sniper fired fibber, who keeps coming up with B.S. attacks on Obama, because she and Bill know that they are not right, and without making Obama look as bad as they possibly can, they have no real chance of being the presidents again. Ok, so this wasn't short and sweet; I guess I lied Huh? I guess I'm a bad guy! Now I'll probably get attacked by the Hillary-Billary Tag Team......Vote for Real Change Please....Not for vulgar displays of dishonesty. Also please remember that whatever is promised to you by the candidates probably won't come to pass easily, because it's election rhetoric, but.....at least make your vote count for "The Lesser of the Three (four) evils...."Real Change" without "Elector's Regret"?; vote for the more honestly sincere candidate...Vote for Obama.
From my viewpoint, this is two Republican presidential candidates bashing one Democratic candidate. The Clintons never fooled me as Democrats.
Posted by PuWeiTa April 15, 08 10:46 AM
wondered if I was the only one who knew they were not Demorcratic
Clinton started the taxing of my Social Security check (50%) ask other SS folks.
Thank You PuWeiTa for your posting.
\Jim
The Clintons are the architects and proponents of NAFTA which has negatively impacted our economy for the long haul and made many Americans bitter. Their campaign advisor Mark Penn is still pushing for more NFTA related Trade Deals with Columbia. It is obvious that they do not look at the economy like a financial ecosystem. If you disturb one element that feeds into the ecosystem, the rest of the system will definitely get affected and may even lead to the extinction of the entire system. So, the main element of our economy which is the means of production have been shipped overseas at the detriment of the employees without making any preparation for the viable substitution of these jobs and hence the credit crunch and stark poverty. This will lead to major social upheaval which will impact the very same decision makers who had no foresight regarding the implication of their decision on the society they live in.
It is time for real change and vote for the leader that will address this economic bitterness which was created by the Clintons. Our hope hinges on Obama.
If Obama "wins" the nomination, I vote for McCain, period.
If there is one thing that I truly admire about Obama, is that he is such a decent person. He never has stooped low like Hilary to make personal attacks & we all know of the many clinton scandals that he could take advantage of. As a woman I would have more respect for Hilary if she had left Bill a long time ago & run this campaign with him as his ex-wife. She is a hypocrite for taking the moral highground
However rough the backlash, Obama has stuck to explaining his comments without putting down his opponents, he sticks to the issue. How can anyone call him an elitist when he has probably the most association with the middle class population that he worked with as a community organizer. Are people forgetting that he could easily have been part of an "elitist" group if he had instead taken a very high paying job with all his credentials? Let's have a reality check. Among the three canditates who do you think has the least personal wealth, the least number of weallthy influental friends and the toughest odds at being in this position today?? Obama is not an elitist, as he admitted, his wording could have been better, so let's move on shall we?
Let us see how Pennsylvania voters will respond to this coming Democratic Primary election. The bitterness, frustration, and sentiments from these small
town voters will best be expressed come April 22nd. I believe Senator Barack
Hussein Obama insulted the Pennsylvania voters. Vote smartly Penns!!!
MEDIA MAKING TOO MUCH OF OBAMA'S COMMENTS... i HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIS CHOICE OF WORDS....IT'S AMAZING HOW THEY HAVE BEEN MAGNIFIED... SO SO MUCH KNIT-PICKING.
i DO HAVE QUITE A PROBLEM WITH THE "FAITH" BASED TV PROGRAM...THIS IS A VERY PERSONAL ISSUE AND IS ONLY BETWEEN GOD AND ME....THERE IS BIBLE VERSE, WHEN YOU PRAY, GO INTO ROOM AND CLOSE DOOR. ..I WAS QUITE SURPRISED THAT ONE OF MINISTERS DIDN'T SPEAK UP AND REFUSE TO DISCUSS. I SEE NOTHING WRONG IF THEY WANTED TO MENTION WHICH CHURCH THEY ATTEND. ALSO, WHY MINISTERS ASKING THE QUESTIONS WERE E BOTH BAPTIST MINISTERS?
Senator Obama speaks of issues that must be addressed even though people today are focused on their brainwashed ideas acquired mainly from sources who do not want the truth to be known. If you think Obama is so out of line read Lincoln's "House divided speech" ( and yes, it darn well is still relevant today as are the constitution and the bill of rights). What if Lincoln had not dared to talk about the problems of the day because he might offend someone from the "south". People . . . get over it. Get off your couch and research. Fox news, ABC news, any of the big ones will not tell ALL the truth - they make their billions by keeping people "in line" and at the mall spending money. Read the news from other countries. Listen to public radio and watch public television and compare what you find there with commercial stuff. Get off the race thing and the religion thing. Question the government - ALWAYS - to NOT do so is unpatriotic.
Why don't you anti-Obama people just get over it, and while doing so, just admit you're racists?
And they say the South is simmering with bigotry!
Mike:
"This time its a Keyan going to rule America.Next time it will be a Nigerian"
What an absolutely ignorant and ridiculous statement. I find it disgusting that people actually think this way.
For those who are writing here, why don't you come and join us in Pennyslvania, look at all of the closed mills and dieing steel towns, talk to the people who were promised pensions and healtcare after spending a lifetime being the lifeblood of our country and ask them if they are indeed bitter and frustrated over what has happened. You will be surprised to know that what Obama said, was, in fact, true. In the heat of a political campain, a serial fabricator, Hillary Clinton, is trying to resuscitate her long dead campaign, and give real ammunation, unlike what she faced in Bosnia, to the Republicans so that she can defeat Obama and run in 2012. Clintons, we have had enough of you. Go have another whiskey. Shoot another duck. Bye bye!!!
@ Angela K. Funke:
Voting for or against a candidate based solely upon the color of their skin, their genitalia, or their political affiliation is completely idiotic. I'd go as far as including religion in that as well but religious fanaticism is a detrimental thing as we have many examples in both past and present of the danger of religious zealotry. That however has to be carefully measured and assessed by the voter on a candidate by candidate basis and is a personal judgment call. Simply voting for or against some candidate because they are or aren't is also ignorant unless you know for sure that their values are out of line with yours.
It is beyond me why Obama;s supporters try so hard to defend Obama's statements at that fundraiser (at one of the San Francisco billionaires' mansions) regarding the "bitter" Pennsylvanians who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Obama himself has said he made a mistake and should have found a better way to say what he "meant" to say.
For a so-called articulate guy, Obama (or one of his aides) surely seems to need to spend a lot of days and weeks trying to explain what Obama really "meant" to say when he said what he said.
Scenario: a President Obama gives an order, "If they don't pull back with two hours, bomb them." BUT what President Obama really "meant" to say was, "If they don't pull back within two days, bomb them." Then (after the premature bombing mistake), Obama's senior advisor David Axelrod comes out and says, "Oops. What President Obama really 'meant' to say when he gave that order was, 'If they don't pull back within two DAYS, bomb them.'"
I've lost count of how many times someone has had to come out to explain what Obama had really "meant" to say when he said what he said.
Ten ... fifteen ... twenty ... twenty-five? (and we're just in April -- Obama's not even the nominee yet, or the president ... yikes)
It really insults people to say that they are "bitter" and "cling to guns and religion" because they are "bitter." Maybe people are justifiably angry and frustrated but those are not corrosive attitudes, whereas saying someone is "bitter" implies a corrosiveness to their anger. No, being angry or being "bitter" are NOT the same thing at all.
Try calling someone a "bitter" man and you might get punched in the snoot, whereas if you say someone is an angry man, he might reply, "You're darn right I'm angry, and Ill tell you why."
@ Angela K. Funke:
Voting for or against a candidate based solely upon the color of their skin, their genitalia, or their political affiliation is completely idiotic. I'd go as far as including religion in that as well but religious fanaticism is a detrimental thing as we have many examples in both past and present of the danger of religious zealotry. That however has to be carefully measured and assessed by the voter on a candidate by candidate basis and is a personal judgment call. Simply voting for or against some candidate because they are or aren't is also ignorant unless you know for sure that their values are out of line with yours.
In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratically controlled Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for "change" in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes the law, not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.
Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Si ngle making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married mak ing 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it
is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again
until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I
have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at:
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate
that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcri pts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
and mariju ana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total
cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million
Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
Hey Jimbo, you spelled "egalitarian" wrong. haha, what kind of attorney can't spell egalitarian?
I'm shocked at Obama's views, first as mentoree of Jeremiah Wright, who appears to be single-handedly trying to cause fear and ignorance on AIDS and drugs, and now Obama appears to be running as a sort of second-rate sociologist.
Obama has a career somewhere as an academic, but his sensibility of America is very foreign. He keeps defining himself as an outsider. I don't define him as an outsider, but Obama himself constantly challenges those trying to get to know him to consider him an outsider.
Obama himself strikes me as surprisingly bitter for one who was able to do so well from the good will of so many.
" He is either not really a true believer in the teachings of Jesus and not interested in nourishing his faith or it's all a sham to put a cloak of black respectibility on his political ambitions. These latest comments are just a piece with his overall cynical approach to belief and spirituality in America."
"Judge not that ye be not judged."
OBAMA, A SLIPPING AN A SLIDDING WITH WORDS...JUST LIKE A SMART IVY LEAGUE LAWYER WHO THINKS HE KNOWS BETTER THAN US COMMON PEOPLE.. OBAMA IS WHAT HE IS...WE NOW SEE OBAMA AS A NOOOO IT ALL..BYE BYE NOBAMA.
A VOTER WHO USUALLY SETS ON THE SIDE LINES..BUT NOT THIS TIME, SINCERELY, JIMMIE W BECK
Senator Obama was wrong...what do we have to be bitter about? Oh yes, maybe a 5 year war that has wasted 4,000 American lives, a country on the very brink of a major recession, escalating food prices, uncontrolable illegal imigration, $4.00 for a gallon of gas, the sub-prime debacle, house foreclosures at record numbers, rampant unemployment, NAFTA, children en mass beating up children, gang shootings in every city, lack of respect by other countries, high medical costs, a failing educational system...hell we got it made.
Keep telling it like it ts Senator and to hell with Hilary and her family. Shes grasping at straws now that the real end to her campagn is only 7 days away.
Obama just pissed of the religious right. They were asleep until now and the dems had a chance of winning. Now they will come out like locusts to "save" the world from another antichrist.
Why to the dems do this to themselves every 4 years? Nominating an unelectable elitist out of touch with america. Republicans don't love McCain but at least they are smart enough to know he had the best chance of winning. Thanks to Obama, they will.
I love Hillary and Bill. For all you Obama lovers out there, get a life! You are just jealous of her because she made a $109 million in 7 years, far more than any of you are going to make in a life time.
So what if she lies a bit? So what if she actually voted for gun control while trying to give the impression that she is for guns? So what if she was pro NAFTA before and changed her mind now? So what if Mark Penn got money from the Colombians? So what if she made some anti-semitic remarks? So what if she is a bit manipulative? So what if Bill screwed around in the white house?
So what if Barack Obama was raised by a single mom and got a full scolarship to good schools? SO what if he is bright and articulate? So what if he was right about the Iraq war?
So what if he introduced 800 bills as a state legislator? So what if his vision for a new politics was fleshed out in 1995? So what if he is half black and half white and has a good idea about the world? So what if anyone who knows him personally says he is a man of uncommon wisdom?
I dont care about all that. I just know he kinda makes me uncomfortable and I know Hillary wont be great but she will be more of the same. ANd how bad are things anyway? I am not bitter, I am not frustrated with the way things are. I am quite happy with things. This is the greatest country in the world. And no Senator Obama, we can do without any improvements or pointers about how to make it even better, thank you very much.
The survey also showed more of the bitterness that many Democrats are worrying about: 26 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee, while 19 percent of Obama's backers said they would support McCain if Clinton is the nominee.
Thanks to HRC for dividing the Democratic Party as never before!
Perhaps a third party might eventually emerge to replace the dogmatic traditional Democrats who seem completely preoccupied with defeating enemies, be it Republicans or fellow D's who are smart enough to see through the selfish and destructive Clinton game.
Personally, I will not vote at all if HRC manages to cheat Obama out of the nomination. Perhaps the pollsters might incoproate such an option into their agenda?
John MaCain apologize for voting against Martin Lutter King jr. holiday. Do all of us have accept that? How many readers would have belived that MaCain will do that if he himself is not saying it. Dr King stood for everyone but, MaCain is against what he did. No one is 100% perfect, people should start to look at individaul in a broader way than picking on a small mistakes. To me and to a lot Obama is honest than both MaCain and Clinton. He has struggled in live an average American. He just completed his student loan. Did Clintion ever has to borrow money for her education? No no no. Did her doughter has to get a loan for her education? No no no. Who do you think will care about the need of the average, to make sure jobs will be available to small towns as well as the big for people care for their families. People we should sit up and reflect.
it will be very good for the usa to have a black president, but not obama...too much poor judgment...you don't really know where he's coming from, after 20 years of sunday preachings by pastor wright..must have had some effect on obama's attitudes, and why doesn't someone ask obama, what did you say to your young daughters to counter pastor wright's hate? Or did you let them believe all of it? No one's asked Obama that yet that I can tell.
I am really shocked that anybody who calls themselves a Democrat can still support Hillary's campaign. She is running on Republican tactics of fear mongering and divisive politics. She regularly twists her opponents words to satisfy her own goals. As she stands little to no chance of passing Obama in delegates or the popular vote at this point she seems to be running her campaign solely to destroy his chances of winning the presidency. This is not how a Democrat is supposed to act, that is how the Republican is supposed to act. Her campaign has become a beacon of fear, racism and lies.
Every day that she stays in the race I lose more faith in our two party system.
78 Get real; the Brits stood by us after 9/11 and they too have lost troops of the field. You could argue that their moral compass was fogged just as ours were with the lies of Bush of WMD. Even when the Brits start to see trhough the fog, they kept their word and marched onto the field. Only thing is that the fogged cleared and they had the brains to pull back; and in fact want to pullout. Also, I should note that UK unlike US has a working medical system for it's people.
You are being rude.
68. If you are not ashamed and embarassmen by Bush then you should have no qualms with Obama. Mc will insure that he will speak on thinks like people loosing their house or exactly who we are fighting only after people like Liberman tell him what he thinks, against tax, tourture , religion are up for grabs to pander sale; no wonder he was keaton 5 gang. member
44. Imus remarks were out of line, while I say that he may have held his job; it was the sponsors that wanted to keep profits that decided to cut him. The only reason that you are not offended is because you are a black college girl that has worked hard to get into school only to be slandered by a bully; one expects this talk from uneducated folks but not from Imus. Besides have you read the full quote from Obama? If you did you would know that he said thinks about blacks too. I bet you only heard the clip that msm provided? You are online; your fingers are a powerful tool do yourself a favor and don't let the idiot box kill the message.
My thought is make your decisions based on facts that you do the analysis on; Allowing the msm to make your point has never worked out; if you are enjoy the gas, food and housing prices, NAFTA and Colombia outsourcing, china finance american debt (sort of like having a credit card) they can change the terms whenever they want. If none of this makes you bitter then vote for Mc because he can assure you more of the same; and WJC uses WE all the time indicating that he will be back room dealing with insider information if he can get back to the whitehouse. Take a chance because frankly you can go with the devil you know however that vote will insure that more die in iraq and jobs leave faster. Like #1 implies; go with the odds.
If Obama is the nominee I am and many Hillary supporters will vote for McCain..and he will not allow a LIAR, BIGOT like Obama in the White House.
When did "elitist" come to mean big-city liberal.
Rural people, the working class, the religious right, ect. are just as likely to look down their noses at big-city liberals as the liberals are to them.
The vast, VAST majority of people in this country, regardless of class, race, religion or geographical location are elitist. Everyone thinks that their opinion, ideas and way of life are the correct ones. Most people think they are better than everyone else. This whole country is elitist.
Obama was right in this context. People are bitter about the state of the nation (this cannot be disputed). The right has for years used wedge issues like guns, religion, ect. to appeal to the masses because they can't actually run on the state of the nation. He should have said, "People are bitter, and politicians exploit this by using guns & religion to divide us."
So who's more out of touch with the working class...Obama, who is trying to actually have a dialogue about this nation's problems? Or McCain, who supports continuing a foolish and unpopular war that most of the country opposes, who supports doing very little to help people suffering in the wake of the mortgage crisis as our country slides further into recession?
" He is either not really a true believer in the teachings of Jesus and not interested in nourishing his faith or it's all a sham to put a cloak of black respectibility on his political ambitions. These latest comments are just a piece with his overall cynical approach to belief and spirituality in America."
"Judge not that ye be not judged."
Can we say tempest in a teapot? HRC's just trying to use this to undermine BO. Guess that's politics but she's taken things so far RIGHT I mean WRONG that she's burned her bridges with all liberals & progressives.
Obama/Clooney! ;)
This whole thing is MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. Obama is the only one left with the vision for this country.
Think on this...
Obama's own comments have made him virtually unelectable in the presidential election. The 'bitter', 'typical white person' will not vote for him. McCain doesn't need a landslide victory in November - he only needs 50% of the vote plus one...
GOP = GIANTS OF PROPAGANDA.
Barack Obama says much that is truthful, including the fact that the middle-class is angry for good reason. but we should be clear - the muslims have not made our life worse. it is our childish president, george, who has made poor choices, bad decisions, over & over & over. see this truth, & it's affect on your own life. with each day, the issues in our coming election simplify. we need not be confused.
we can vote for hope, or we can vote for fear.
All-talk Barack can't win a blue state. What does that tell you? All this yapping and no one remembers that he only wins red states with large black populations that will go to McOldguy in November. Hillary wins all of the blue states. And the super-delegate argument is a red herring! Mass. went for Hillary big time and Kerry and Kennedy don't give a shoot...they don't care what their constituents are doing and they are going against the will of the people and supporting all-talk Barack. Has Obama chided them to listen to their voters? Barack is a sure loser. He would have to hide his head in the woodpile for a long time after throwing an election that should be a sure thing for Hillary and the Democrats.
And I DO want Hillary on that phone at 3am!
I can not believe how low clinton will go to win. Can't the people of this country see what is really going on here. Clinton, McCain, Bush , they are all in on it. Millions of American tax dollars being stolen in shady deals. Billions are being spent all over the world while we are being told that social security is bankrupt. America is being torn apart , and the Clintons. McCain, Bush have been running this country for years and look where we are now. China owns the US. Our cities and roads are falling apart. All our jobs are gone. Wallstreet holds some of the biggest criminals on the planet and they get away with robing us 90% of the time. Big oil Co's are poisoning our land and water and get rich doing it. The list goes on and on. The worst of it is that our best military people are dieing in iraq for what ! Oil. Guess who will profit from that. We don't even need their oil. If we had someone running this country that cared about the people gas would have been gone years ago. The only people that should be voting against obama are the ones looking to strip this country clean.
Republicans and NY Times Working Together?
The Times doesn't like to take responsibility for its words, and there are plenty that deserve the scrutiny now being given to Obama's remarks. Reporter Michael Powell, recently used the slang phrase, "talks smack" to describe Obama's perfectly articulate criticisms of President Bush. Powell, and Jeff Zeleny, who is the author of the several of the latest hit pieces on Obama, also wrote that Obama basically learned to do politics in Chicago with crowbars. In that article, also, was the suggestion that if Obama gets down and dirty with Clinton "he risks taking the shine off."
"Shine," as you probably know, was once a well-known racist label for a black man who shines shoes for a living. Right now, Obama is playing by the white man's rules--he's a shine, Powell and Zeleny suggest, if he goes on the offensive and takes the shine off, he is, by inference, a full-blooded black man with a crow bar. The Times has never apologized for these word choices.
First we are members of the human species. Then we are differentiated by details and cultural experiences like race and gender.
Apparently we are at the top of the food chain so for enemies, we have to turn on one another.
Personally I think sometimes that we are kind of an offense on the face of the earth, considering that we can create such great beauty, perform such acts of tenderness and compassion, and then trash our own home.
What kind of species is that? One that appears to need some guidance to remember itself. Now truth telling might be a good start. Which is the opposite of politics as usual and power celebrities who pretend to be down down to the blue collar experience.
Pretending is the operative dynamic. Let's don't. Let's get real.
You know I think there is just to much being said over a word. But thruth be told it is a truely spoken word. In america today we have many BITTER people, as well we should have. Loss of jobs over seas, a war that is costing us billions each week and never should have been waged, loss of housing, food prices going up everytime you look the other way, and gas to fill your car going up every week. Not to mention heating cost that have many blancing food with heat... What is not to be bitter about, and you have illegals working for less than we can taking jobs and lowering our pay checks.
Crime is way up in America and people are buying more guns, to protect their property and families, and yes many people turn to their faiths in hard times to get through the times. I used to hunt, but never found a need to buy another gun until we had so many break in's in our area ( which is a small town), and I've always had faith, but turn to it more each day praying to meet my bills and get through another hard day.
So what Obama said is very true, and I for one am not afaird to admit it.
Sometimes the truth hurts when we hear it, but it doesn't make it any untruer.
Wake up and grow up America.... Hillary and McCain can't think of anything better to do then pick on words and distort them... They both will stop at nothing to win, and then never deliver on what they promise.....Obama 08