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Who's the real dream team?

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor April 9, 2008 06:45 PM

Many Democrats might believe that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would be the dream ticket in November.

But at least in New York state, a must-win state for Democrats, the real dream team would be Republicans John McCain and Condoleezza Rice, according to a new poll.

The NBC/Marist College survey of Empire State voters says that the GOP team would beat a Clinton-Obama ticket 49 percent to 46 percent and a ticket with Obama on top by 49 percent to 44 percent. A quarter of Democrats in Clinton's home state would break ranks and vote for McCain and Rice, the survey says.

Unfortunately for Republicans, Rice declared on Tuesday that she has no ambitions to be vice president and plans to return to Stanford University when her time as secretary of state is up. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is in the early stages of vetting possible VP picks.

A McCain pairing with another name being bandied about for the No. 2 slot -- Joe Lieberman, the independent senator from Connecticut who was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee -- would not fare nearly as well as Clinton and Obama in New York.

According to the poll, a ticket with Clinton as the presidential nominee and Obama as vice president would win 53 percent to 40 percent, while an Obama-Clinton ticket would win 49 percent to 45 percent.

The survey was conducted April 3 and 4 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. (The results were embargoed until Thursday evening, but several news organizations broke the embargo earlier today).

42 comments so far...
  1. 2 war mongers for the price of one?

    Posted by hawk April 9, 08 07:35 PM
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  1. None of that means anything!

    Posted by joe bolin April 9, 08 07:46 PM
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  1. You are so right. Rice and McCain might be harder ticket to beat than anything else the R's have got going for them.

    I am voting Obama and get really creeped out when you all think he should share the D ticket with Clinton, not in either spot. Just totally spoils the vision.

    I am hoping the R's can't get Rice to do it. That's how scary a ticket it is.

    Posted by Gaias Child April 9, 08 07:49 PM
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  1. Condi will not run for VP because she's ashamed of her political career with devolved Republicans.

    Posted by neil fairbanks April 9, 08 07:49 PM
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  1. This poll is difficult to believe. I guess that news is filtered to New York State. These people seem to be unaware that under the Republicans, the economy is a shambles, the dollar is going down the toilet, high-paying jobs are emigrating, our reputation in the world is shattered, we have no health care system to speak of, the middle class is losing ground and the rich are getting richer, the Iraq invasion, after five years, 4000 US deaths and almost a million Iraqi deaths, shows no end in sight, and if we fall for the current administration "misspeaking" we may attack Iran, and the media has not even reported the death of a US colonel in the Green Zone on Sunday. Our infrastructure is crumbling due to lack of investment, our education system is rated among the worst in the world, even though the cost of private colleges is going through the roof, and gas is soon to approach $4.00 a gallon. Do New Yorkers really want more of the same, or are they all watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh?

    Posted by bodicca April 9, 08 07:54 PM
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  1. McCain & Lieberman would be a disaster. There is no reason for McCain to pick another Moderate. That would really bring out the conservative base alright....NOT

    Posted by tommyd April 9, 08 07:57 PM
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  1. The question you should be asking is " would you like Condoleezza Rice as President " since as vice-president she would be one Mccain heart attack from the presidency.

    Posted by J. Benito Pastora April 9, 08 08:02 PM
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  1. SAY WHAT YOU MAY, BEING A LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT, I CAN'T AND WILL NOT VOTE FOR AN ARAB OBAMA IN NO WAY. I WILL ALONG WITH A LOT OF DEMOCRATS BE VOTING FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A REPUBLICAN.
    I LOVE THE U.S.A AND NO WAY WILL TURN IT OVER TO A YOUNG BLACK ARAB FOR PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL DO THE SAME COME NOVEMBER. A G BURRIS

    Posted by ARTHUR GENE BURRIS April 9, 08 08:04 PM
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  1. Who are these alleged "many" democrats who favor an Obama-Clinton ticket? That is, outside of a few Clinton dead-enders who can't conceive of any other way of getting their candidate on the ticket.

    Posted by Maria April 9, 08 08:07 PM
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  1. MY VOTE - According to the poll, a ticket with Clinton as the presidential nominee and Obama as vice president would win 53 percent to 40 percent, while an Obama-Clinton ticket would win 49 percent to 45 percent.

    or if just Obama will then vote for MCain

    Posted by ptait April 9, 08 08:08 PM
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  1. I think Condoleezza Rice would make a fantastic Vice President. I was hoping she would run for President. She was the only one that, to me, stood out among a bunch of lackluster candidates. I was so curious about her, I read a book on her life. I was impressed.

    Since she didn’t run, I voted for John McCain in the caucus. The more I hear from him the more I like him.

    Posted by Jerry April 9, 08 08:11 PM
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  1. How in the world can anyone think of voting for any of these two candidates? What do they have to do to conveince people that they aren't fit to run any business, let alone the government of the USA?

    Hillary Clinton has been caught in lie after lie. Saying "Walmart" when you mean "Walgreens" is mispeaking, inventing a 5 minute story that never happened is lying. If she's elected president she could never be allowed to have a private meeting with any foreign dignitary - you couldn't trust the story she'd tell about it!

    Obama? His associations with the crook Rezko and the crook Melvin Jones... just politics as usual? Forget about what his pastor said, how did Obama react to that situation? Four different stories on four different occasions...and his typical white person grandmother thrown under the bus. I wonder if Obama regards his wife as a typical black woman? Obama is known as a great orator - when he's reading from a prepared speech. When he has to think extemporaneously, he has flashes of temper ala John McCain and is not quite as smoothly spoken, is he?

    Both Obama and Hillary would ruin the US economy if they got their hands enmeshed in it. I'm not saying McCain wouldn't, but Obama and Hillary definitely would. But then, Democrats don't mind taxes skyrocketing. That way they don't have to give any money to charities (unlike Republicans) as they know a third of their money has already been taken and once the politicians trouser their share, the rest will go to charity....

    And, just out of curiousity - exactly how many people did this survey talk to, and what are the demographics of the people who answered?

    Posted by Caroline Miniscule April 9, 08 08:13 PM
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  1. I support Senator Barack Obama for President. I Hillary wins the nomination, especially by some underhanded method I would either not vote or I would give my support to McCain depending on who his Vice President nominee would be. I do not trust Hillary, she is to desperate for the top spot. Mostly, despite the media's efforts to make being First Lady a factor to qualify someone for being President I don't see that she has distinguised herself in any way. She won't her senate seat only because of her husbands prestige and the fact she was running against a minor and relatively unknow inexperienced MALE candidate. All I can say is, ANYONE BUT HILLARY!

    Posted by Ed April 9, 08 08:15 PM
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  1. Obama and Bloomberg would be a winner,
    Obama and Powell would be a winner
    McCain and Lieberman would keep the JDL happy but would lose
    How about Clinton and Clinton tyo keep Wall Street happy????


    Posted by Manuel Mendoza April 9, 08 08:16 PM
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  1. I don't know where you guys get your information. It seems very self-serving to propose the Democratic so-called "dream team". Who are these Dems that want or even expect such a pairing? I know of absolutely NO-ONE who expects to see this team on bumper stickers in the fall. Everyone I know expects that either Clinton or Obama will be the candidate this year with some VP as yet unidentified. It is expected that either candidate will propose a VP of their choice. It is 100% expected. What I see is so-called journalists speculating about the "dream team" in order to keep their own pot boiling. They are speculating in order to keep their own name or their publication's name in the forefront. Quit the crap. If there is a movement for the O/C or C/O ticket, then report on real news, not something some daydreaming flunkie's wet dream.

    Posted by Chris Doyle April 9, 08 08:20 PM
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  1. I don't know where you guys get your information. It seems very self-serving to propose the Democratic so-called "dream team". Who are these Dems that want or even expect such a pairing? I know of absolutely NO-ONE who expects to see this team on bumper stickers in the fall. Everyone I know expects that either Clinton or Obama will be the candidate this year with some VP as yet unidentified. It is expected that either candidate will propose a VP of their choice. It is 100% expected. What I see is so-called journalists speculating about the "dream team" in order to keep their own pot boiling. They are speculating in order to keep their own name or their publication's name in the forefront. Quit the crap. If there is a movement for the O/C or C/O ticket, then report on real news, not something some daydreaming flunkie's wet dream.

    Posted by Chris Doyle April 9, 08 08:22 PM
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  1. You might want to take another poll on Barack Obama and Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton ticket. If sniper fire is anywhere on the ticket I will campaign hard to get McCain in White House, just like I campaigned hard for Barack Obama. It is not "black man in white house" or "woman in white house" that I am campaigning for. I am campaigning for a trustworthy president who cares about this country, as well as interested in working for peace in this world.

    Posted by David April 9, 08 08:38 PM
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  1. this is soo irrelevant. let's just publish the results of a highly-conjectured poll for no real reason at all

    Posted by zac April 9, 08 08:45 PM
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  1. In order for the Republicans to win, they have to stay away from any political figure connected with President Bush. There should be a younger Washington outsider for VP.

    Posted by M. H. Ahrens April 9, 08 08:52 PM
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  1. The Clinton's are only about power, plain an simple. We are reminded by almost
    everything they do, if we actually pay attention.
    1. Marriage = power ( If you believe their in love, you have never been.)
    2. Senator of a state she is not even from.( New York?? really? really? huh?why?)
    3. Asking the popular vote leader to subside and be her VP. ( big, huge, hairy b#**s.)
    4. Bill lied under oath to this goverment. ( you try this and let me know how it works for you.)
    The Clinton's not only believe we're stupid the prove it!

    Posted by Philip Brown April 9, 08 09:09 PM
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  1. I certainly agree that the better ticket would be Clinton/Obama rather than Obama/Clinton. If Hillary isn't the nominee, I'd much rather see her be the Senate Majority Leader..I would much prefer to see someone with her strength as opposed to someone like we now have in H. Reid.

    I just can't see Hillary being Obama's Vice. I mean, she is one of the Senators he came to for advice when he made his way to the US Senate. During the debate, he didn't know the answer to Putin's successor, and could only look to Hillary for her to take the lead and answer the question. It just wouldn't seem right for the one who clearly knows policy better and knows the ways of Washington better to be 2nd in command to a pretty boy with charisma, but not a lot else.

    Posted by Kmb08 April 9, 08 09:09 PM
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  1. The poll was conducted April 3rd and 4th?

    I would have thought April 1st would be the only day Condoleezza Rice looks good on John McCain's ticket.

    Dr. Rice has the Bush policy on Iraq on her like a sandwich board, and McCain himself has said that she bears some responsibility for the mess we are in. I wouldn't say she adds a whole lot with her approach to terrorism prior to 9/11, and was a main face of the Bush Administration attempts to smear Richard Clarke.

    As a New Yorker I am rather surprised.

    Posted by Ed Servatius April 9, 08 09:54 PM
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  1. You´re way inside the box. You need to think outside the box for this one around folks. We´re all be surprised by the pixes on both sides, once time comes around.

    Posted by geoffrey aronson April 9, 08 09:56 PM
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  1. You´re way inside the box. You need to think outside the box for this one around folks. We´re all be surprised by the pixes on both sides, once time comes around.

    Posted by geoffrey aronson April 9, 08 09:56 PM
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  1. Obama Huckabee, an unbeatable combination

    Posted by Julio April 9, 08 10:29 PM
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  1. There is no dream team, just a business as usual team. The only real dream team would be joe smith and samantha harris, just two common Americans that have to balance their buget and make their car payment in order for the family to go on. Jobs are being lost to illegals or being sent overseas. Our children are drowning in fat and video games. Entitlement programs are eating up the social security of the aged. Dream team? Put the US back to work and get people off their backsides.

    Posted by R. Lindsey April 9, 08 11:21 PM
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  1. how dum to think that obama hillary or hillary obama would be a dream team. even a dummy like me can tell that if that was to become real it only spelles disaster. you can never make a team using two leaders. if hillary was to be the VP. she would want to boss obama and if obama was to be the VP he would do the same qnd the outcome ???? then if you think we have problems now ??
    and the same comments if rice and McCain!::::::::: rice should be the next president of the united satates not eather of them three clowns they are acting like three kids. one telling his mommy on the other. and rice has showed she can take hard blows

    Posted by RUDY C AVILA April 9, 08 11:21 PM
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  1. I THINK THAT A TICKET OF OBAMA- RICHERSON WOULD FAIR BETTER THAN A TICKET OF CLINTON-OBAMA. IT WOULD BRING IN THE LATINO VOTES. ITS MUCH TO SOON TO TELL. LETS WAIT UNTIL THE CONVENTION IN AUGUST. BY THEN WE COULD MAKE A BETTER DECISION. THE LATINOS ARE GAINING STRIDES . THEY ARE GETTING BIGGER IN VITING

    Posted by MARTIN C.YARBROUGH April 9, 08 11:58 PM
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  1. Just wondering what would make Condi so much more desireable as a V.P. than Leiberman. Sounds like a very right leaning population that was polled.

    The poll sounds flawed. I doubt that it was representative of what the results in November will be.

    Posted by Giselle Evans April 10, 08 12:03 AM
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  1. When making up these dream tickets, why is Hillary the top person when Obama is actually winning the election. And what is Mrs. Rice actually suppose to represent for the republicans?

    Posted by sherry April 10, 08 12:26 AM
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  1. What!? Clinton - Obama? It might as well be Obama - Clinton.

    Posted by maxx April 10, 08 12:34 AM
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  1. Just goes to show you that no matter what the ticket for Republicans...the democrats woukd win by a larger percentage with Hillary on top...not Obams..like a lot of people believe!

    Posted by Ron April 10, 08 01:51 AM
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  1. I think Obama and Biden would be a strong team. I think that Bidens characterization of Obama was not intended in any way to be derogitory. It got negative spin, and was dropped cold. If Biden came out to endorse Obama and continued a dialog, I believe the two could go very far.

    Posted by Bryce Lien April 10, 08 02:18 AM
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  1. Why are you saying a Clinton-Obama dream ticket?? Clinton is not in the lead in any factor of this campaign. Senator Obama is ahead in delegates, popular votes, and over twice as many states won by Clinton. She can spin all she wants, but there is no way she will get the nomination. She has proven herself to be a liar, "creates" fraudulant experience, and has run a horrible campaign second to none. Her scorced earth and trash-and-burn tactics do not fare well with the newer generations and with this new century. She is a relic of yesteryear who takes Bill's good accomplishments as her own and distances herself from the bad things he did. Should she somehow illegally horn her way into the nomination, Senator Obama would NOT be her VP. He would not lower his moral values, integrity, and honor to her level. As far as an Obama/Hillary ticket. There again, he would not choose her for the very same reasons. She would drag the ticket down not lift it up. Plus, what President would want Bill "ACTING" as if he himself was the current Prez? No thanks. There are many highly intelligent and great people out there from whom he can choose as his running mate, someone who will help lift this country and not drag it down.

    Posted by NinaK April 10, 08 02:21 AM
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  1. Lieberman is a bore, while Rice blew Iraq. Romney has a bad past. Not sincere.
    Here's McCain's best choices: Powell, Kemp, Huckabee, Crist, Cox, Portman,
    and here's a new one for y'all - Victor Davis Hanson.

    Posted by bullwinkle April 10, 08 03:03 AM
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  1. what about a McCain Colon Powell ticket

    Posted by m. simms April 10, 08 07:44 AM
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  1. Why should Clinton top Obama if she is behinde in the race? What does DEMOCRACY means in USA society, or you real don´t believe in what you claimed to be the best. In any european country, this will sound quite embarracing to surggest the winner to step down for the person (Clinton) who is having less suppoters. I believes Hillary does not want that as a good democracts.Voters have voted, their choice must be respected.

    Posted by Maria Nazir (American friend) April 10, 08 08:20 AM
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  1. If there is a Clinton name on the 2008 ballot, this registered Democrat votes for
    McCain. Sorry, it's just that way. Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton would be a NIGHTMARE, not a dream. Can you imagine how she would undermine him at every turn? It isn't about good governing with Hillary....it's about HILLARY!!! Remember the character "Monica" of Friends........

    Every time we turn around, there's a story that some Clinton has "misspoken", or changed....Do we really forget that it depends what "IS" is???

    Paleeeeese....it's insulting to suggest this duo as a "dream team"!

    Posted by Harry April 10, 08 08:32 AM
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  1. I am not an American, but if allowed to choose, I will go for Clinton - Obama Dream Team.

    Posted by Atty. Andy Sanchez April 10, 08 08:47 AM
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  1. The "Dream Team" ticket would be the team that could bring this country together. A team of mavericks that is not afraid to stand up to the establishment (Congress, PACs, Lobbyists, Corporations, or the Oil Industry). A team not afraid to cut Government waste, overall spending, Welfare, & taxes. A team that will rebuild our National Defense & secure our borders. I believe that team is McCain-Hagel.

    Posted by Jim April 10, 08 09:10 AM
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  1. I am so tired of that word "vet." Hillary has used the word to death. What's more, it is not used with great accuracy here. I think this article could use some vetting.

    Posted by Etaoin Shrdlu April 10, 08 10:19 AM
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  1. TO: FOON RHEE (B.globe "Deputy Nat'l Reporter" )

    ALSO TO: unaware voters, bloggers, casual readers


    Re: Your irresponsible agenda and journalistic ambition -- ref.: so-called Dem Party Dream Team

    I challenge you to make a public disclosure. As a so-called "reporter," you should not be continuing to push on the voting public, repeatedly fueling a Dem Dream Team (DDT - pun intended) concept , whether BHO/HRC or vice versa.

    Whether Sen. Obama would consider changing his position upon gaining the Dem nomination, remains to be seen. The only candidate who benefits in the Primary race from your personal media campaign is Sen. Clinton. For you to repeatedly push this speculation down voters throats, before the nomination if determined, undermines and "disrespects" Obama's campaign .

    Earlier this week, you irresponsibly, -- in my book, unethically -- referred readers to a SCAM website to "register" their Dream Team" petition directed to the DNC. You actually referred to the site as a "semi-official" voter venue. Did you as a journalist bother verifying this site and domaine????? The author is a "recognized political scammer", a Hillary supporter in Virginia who has perpetrated other dem campaign scam sites. An ethical journalist should check out sources. A reputable journalist reports NEWS -- but should not manipulate it.

    It appears you deliberately desired chose to blow the winds of such a a DDT. Did you feel obliged to manipulate the news for your own career advantage: solicit bloggers' attention/response to merely "enhance your popularity" eyeing a promotion from "deputy reporter" to a real one. Whatever your motivation, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. READERS and VOTERS BEWARE!

    Kindly respect the declared and repeated position of Sen. Obama: the candidate is not interested in a HRC Dream Ticket.

    Posted by Jane Miller April 10, 08 01:35 PM
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