Clinton closing in Oregon polls
The latest pre-primary polls suggest that Hillary Clinton has faint hopes of stalling Barack Obama's march to the Democratic nomination.
Obama had been leading by double digits in Oregon, where he expects to win on Tuesday, enabling him to declare victory in the pledged delegate race and perhaps sew up the nomination.
But the latest polls in Oregon show Clinton within striking distance. Obama leads 45 percent to 41 percent with 8 percent undecided and 6 percent refusing a response, according to a Suffolk University survey released this morning. An American Research Group survey puts Obama's lead at 50 percent to 45 percent.
UPDATE: Two other new surveys, however, give Obama a bigger lead in Oregon. Public Policy Polling says he leads Clinton 56 percent to 38 percent, and SurveyUSA says he leads 55 percent to 42 percent.
Obama appears to be confident of victory. Today, he does not plan to campaign in Oregon, instead stumping in Montana, which votes June 3. He has already scheduled a huge outdoor victory rally Tuesday night in Iowa, a battleground state in November and where his victory in the January caucuses propelled him to the front of the pack.
UPDATE: Obama continued focusing on the general election to come, praising Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for running a "magnificent race," but focusing on Republican John McCain.
Obama acknowledged to supporters in Billings, Mont., that some Democrats worry that the party will be divided this fall after a long nomination fight.
"We are not going to be divided," Obama said, pledging that whatever the differences during the primaries, his supporters and Clinton's will be unified in making sure that McCain doesn't win the White House and continue President Bush's policies.
Clinton, on the other hand, continues to lead handily in every poll in Kentucky, which also votes Tuesday. In a Suffolk survey released today, she leads Obama 51 percent to 25 percent, followed by John Edwards with 6 percent, "uncommitted" with 5 percent, while 11 percent were undecided.
But she isn't taking any chances and hopes to win big enough to cut into Obama's lead in the total popular vote, campaigning all day in the Bluegrass State. She plans her primary night rally in Louisville.
UPDATE: She told voters in Kentucky today that the nomination fight is nowhere near over, suggested that Obama is counting his chickens too soon.
The tale of two states voting Tuesday demonstrates again the demographic divide in the Democratic race -- blue-collar voters for Clinton, more affluent and more educated voters for Obama.
“With the nominating contest winding down, it’s unusual -- to say the least -- to have two states’ polls literally poles apart,” David Paleologos, director of Suffolk's Political Research Center, said in a statement. “And I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a disparity in a presidential candidate’s popularity from state to state.”
In Kentucky, Obama's favorability rating was as mixed as in West Virginia, where Clinton won by 41 percentage points last week, with 43 percent of voters viewing him favorably and 43 unfavorably. But in Oregon, 73 percent view him favorably and 15 percent unfavorably.
"Usually when a candidate has a high favorability, it trends high nationally, with limited variations regionally. Here, when you get to states like Kentucky and West Virginia, there's a kind of political inelasticity or unwillingness to replicate Obama's popularity elsewhere," Paleologos said.
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Vote for Hillary. The Old Boys Club is trying to end the race. Obama is totally inexperience, untested - when you try to vet him, you come up with Ayers, Rev. Wright, Rezko. Come on, get real here. Don't let the Boys Club dictate. What will Obama owe all these crazy left wingers like Ted "Chappaquidick" Kennedy?
Vote HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save our country from God know what!
I wish Clinton would just wake the F up and be honest with herself and her supporters. Her math is not logical. It only makes sense for her to be leading if you close your eyes to half the states. She's guilty of the same "ignore the numbers" fallacies that got Bush elected in 2000. How can she and her supporters not see that?
THE COMMENTS HAVE LEFT THE BUILDING, ELVIS.
Nothing to see here, move along, make way for President Obama...
leonweinstein@hotmail.com is an imbecile. Please vote Repugnican, Leon.
Your tired old "marxist" radical rants have no place here. While your ancestors were being raped and killed, so were African-Americans. Maybe you should learn some things about the country you claim to love and about the common victim-hood of Jews AND Blacks.
Vote Republican and stay out the Democratic race. We don't need you or your viewpoint.
Obama, come on folks, a 3 year Senator who has mislead about everyting he is about. Sure he did not vote to go to Iraq, becasue he was not in the Senate. Sure he didnot vote for Nafta becasue he was not in the Senate to vote. This person has nothing and is no one and this just shows how low our country is and is willing to take itself that anyone would vote for this person. Use your heads, it is fine to be POLITICALLY CORRECT BUT THIS IS CORRECTNESS RUN AMOCK.
This poll is sooo wrong!!!! We all know it, after the latest polling leading up to the primaries in NC and IN. Obama is going to smash in Oregon. He is also going to become the Democratic nominee and then be President of the United States. Get over it HRC supporters!
Obama '08, but preferably forever
So Hillary has sewed up the banjo vote, and Obama has the starry-eyed groupie vote. Meanwhile, the Dems have Michigan, Florida, and the superdelegate fiasco to demonstrate that they just care about winning, not about making sure individual voices are heard. What a soap opera, LOL!
Hilary voted for Iraq. That should be all that needs to said, but since some seem so oblivious here's a reminder of what that means--that was an abdication of the senator's duty to judge when war is appropriate, the duty to rein in the executive, that was a vote to have young Americans die to line the pockets of rich Texans, that was a vote to let Osama get away, that was a vote to CREATE Al Qaida in Iraq, that was a vote to ensure another century of hatred of America for all the innocents killed by our heavy handed actions (to say nothing of the atrocities by our mercenaries), a vote to create terrorists by radicalizing some members of populations we inevitably harm even when our intentions are noble. She should go to jail, not the white house. But more reasonably, let's just say she should go home.
Do you like 4.00 gas?
Do you like massive home foreclosures?
Do you like high unemployment?
Do you like high food prices?
If you don't then start voting for the candidate with White House experience.
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
Remember the Clinton years. The Republicans got at him the only way they could.
Remember the S U R P L U S? Not a TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICET like now and growing everyday.
I don't want to play nice with OPEC I want the only candidate with any kahoona's
to stand and stop the nonsence, and its a woman.
Oregon Wake Up, Rise up and bring Hillary to the podium of the Democratic Convention
Why is it that Hillary is depending on the stupidity of the working class whites aka rednecks to propel her to the White House? Do we really want a president that appeals mostly to this class of individuals because their moronic brains can't rap around the real issues at hand nor can they see through Hillary's Bullsh**?
Obama is definitely the better candidate if he's able to win amongst Blacks (of all educational categories) AND college educated whites while Hillary continues to bank on narrowminded individuals. His experience will grow and he will make decisions with the support of other "experienced" members of congress and the supreme court. GWB was thought to have some experience and we voted a rambling fumbling idiot into the white house. Experience matters ...but there are other qualities that Obama possesses that intelligent people have recognized as key factors of true leadership.
Hillary needs to forget about the next 109million USD she hopes to make when she writes her million memoirs on being the first female president AND GO HOME. Enough already!!!
Memorandum of Understanding
To: DNC Members
From: Informed Democrats
Re: Understanding of Florida Primary Rule Violations
Date: Today
Dear Governor Dean & Esteemed DNC Members,
STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: As an informed Democrat, I am seeking to understand when will, we, Democratic voters see true equity in the Democratic Presidential Primary race?
RULES OF UNDERSTANDING: According to the rules of the Florida Democratic Presidential Primary, agreed to by all Democratic Presidential Primary candidates, no Democratic candidate was to advertise in Florida prior to the Florida primary.
FACTS OF UNDERSTANDING: Senator Barack Obama purchased national cable advertising and advertised HEAVILY in the State of Florida prior to the January presidential primary.
REQUEST OF OUTCOME BASED ON UNDERSTANDING: When will Senator Barack Obama and his campaign receive written (and publicized) notification he is; therefore, disqualified from receiving ANY of the delegates he and his campaign are seeking when Florida is ultimately seated, based on he and his campaign’s failure to follow DNC rules?
EQUITY IN UNDERSTANDING: As a lifelong, Informed Democrat I know and understand you and the esteemed members of the DNC will do everything in your power to make an equitable decision in this matter, with liberty and justice for all.
THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING INFORMED DEMOCRATS REQUEST:
Thank you in advance for the time and attention you and the esteemed members of the DNC have and will give to this matter, because we know you and the members, hold that all men and women are related equal in DNC decision-making. Right?
Democratically Yours,
Informed Democrat
Everyone read Helens quote. Maybe us eneducated laborers should just stop what were doing and let the arrogant uppercrust fend for themselves. This country is just a mess. A mass of ignorant fat spoiled people who ride the winds of change and vote for the president like we do for american idol. You people are sheep.
Hey
I'll vote for hillary if she wins, but for those folks who say they support HRC and would not vote for Obama, you cannot be serious and consider yourself a Democrat. Here we are on the brink of disaster around the world, and any suggestions that McSame is going to solve things is, ;;;;;;;;;extremely mistaken.
Obama is very smart and very capable, He has run a very intelligent campaign, and he will do much better than our current whitehouse occupant.....He is also willing to actually negotiate with people we consider to be our enemies....Imagine that....What is that old saying, ""If we don't hang together, we will all hang separately."" Actually, I think the rhetoric attempting to split the D party is being pushed by Republicans in pretend mode......Not very bright ones either, considering the position they have put us in...It wil take a long time for our children to dig the country out of just the debt that our current president has incurred.
Vote for Obama. The Old Dems Club is trying to end the race. Clinton TOTALLY like has like the wrong kinds of experience, has not written a decent bill to help Americans during her short time in the Senate, and when you look at her past, you come up with Vince Foster, The Rose Law Firm, the McDougals and a WHOLE LOTTA VERY YOUNG AND IMPRESSIONABLE WOMEN . Come on, get real here. Don't let the Bill Club dictate. What will Hillary owe all these crazy right wingers she's supported and voted for like John "My wife's a c**t" McCain?
Vote OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He actually cares about people, not power!
I voted for Hillary in my state's primary and I will happily vote for McSame in Nov. if the empty suit gets the nomination. We will have a Dem Sen. and Congress to keep Mccain in check. Can't wait to see Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy and Kerry have a good cry in November.
TO BOO HOO
OBAMA NEVER SAT IN THE PEW TO HEAR WRIGHT! OF COURSE NOT. AND HE NEVER KNEW OF THE WRIGHT'S MAGAZINE THAT HE WAS ON THE COVER?? OH YES THE MAGAZINE THAT THEY PULLED SO NOT TO GET BAD PRESS.
BOO HOO OBAMA WITH HIS FINGER IN THE AIR.
WHAT OTHER TRUTHS DO YA HAVE?
I am an educated, white collar female democrat and I'm voting for Hillary- not because she's a woman but because, of the candidates proferred by the party, she is the only realistic choice. I like what Obama represents and I wish the world were a different place and I could feel safe voting for him. But I am not convinced that he has the necessary focus and ruthlessness required for this job in the current political climate.
I wholly appreciate the appeal and the promise of Obama and I think he would represent my values and interests very well. But sadly, IMHO, Obama's true appeal is that he is a convenient means for us idealist-at-heart Dems to purge our collective guilt after enjoying the hand-outs we accepted from the last administration, myself included (who doesn't love "free money" even if it was financed with our children's legacy?)
At the end of the day, this is not "Mr. Obama Goes to Washington" and this country needs strong and balanced leadership. Hil strikes me as a slightly-left-of-center Iron Maggie which is just the ticket right now (forgive the pun.) That isn't exactly her platform but that's what I'm voting for.
Posted by Longhorn Fan May 19, 08 10:45 AM
It's something out of a bad horror movie-- lets get all the redneck idiots we possibly can, and encourage them to vote....many cant even read... let alone know ANYTHING about politics-- but yeah...they should be voting... I say we need to have mandatory IQ testing to be able to vote--- if you don't have a 110 or higher... you shouldn't be allowed to vote...I don't think thats unfair either, because 110 is nothing spectacular, but would demonstrate an ability to comprehend issues.
We would have almost no black voters
Obama doesn't represent core Democrats. Hillary has the work ethic and the resume. Obama rhetoric matches his light credentials. If Hillary is not on the ballot, I will write her in!
To the people who think that 90% of african-americans voting for Obama is racism:
No previous black candidate has got as much of the african-american vote.
Bill Clinton got 84% of the african-american vote in the general election in 1996. Was that racism?
Al Gore got 90% of the african-american vote in the general election in 2000. Was that racism?
Hillary Clinton was LEADING amongst african-americans in polls taken as recently as October 2007.
History has shown us that african-americans do not necessarily vote for the black candidate, nor do they show reluctance to vote for the white candidate. Do you honestly think african-american democrats have all become racist between October and now? Really?
The facts just don't support an assertion that African-Americans are voting for Obama purely because of his skin color.
It's six of one & a half dozen of the other. Vote your conscience..vote for peace...for for real change not window dressing...vote Nader/Gonzalez.
When African-Americans voted for Bill Clinton by margins of 80-90%, was that racism? When African-Americans have historically voted Democratic by 90% or better, was that racism? So how is it when African-Americans vote for an African-American male Democrat over a white female Democrat, suddenly it's "racism" and a problem? Funny how it wasn't a problem until the African-American vote switched from Clinton to Obama.
Outsource Queen Hillary should quit and try running for office in India where voters might appreciate her dedication and experience in sending American jobs to filthy, overpopulated, disease ridden India. Hillary's commitment to replacing hundreds of thousands of American citizens with dirt cheap Indian H1-B's has earned her a reputation for treason in the service of CEO's.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon190.htm
I am an independent voter. I will not vote for any of these senators in November. I have a question for all three. You are making great promises and talking about change, but the president doesn't get to make changes, he/she gets to ask Congress to make changes. Now, inasmuch as all three of you are Senators, where are the bills you have introduced that would make the changes you promise? I know McCain has authored some historic (if ill advised) legislation, and Hillary has tried unsuccesfully, as Co-president with Bill, to persudae Congress to pass her health care plan, but Obama has done nothing that I am aware of. He has voted of course, and his votes are the real 'political inelasticity' they have been straight party line votes - straighter than either of the others. 'Political inelasticity' is what we have in Congress. It doesn't equal racism or sexism, it equals 'partisanship' and until it ends thaere is no real change in sight.
I am voting for a black man. Not because he's black, not because he's Republican or Democrat, and not because he isn't a woman, but because in the total chaos of this election he makes good common sense. His name is Alan Keyes. I urge everyone to visit his website. Real change would be to have someone who isn't tied to either party or to any special interest.
Jim
Calm down people, take off the caps lock, breathe deep. They're running for President, not supreme leader. We still have a constitution, a Joint Chiefs, a Supreme Curt and the Bill of RIghts. Sure, after DickBush, they're about as hearty as papyrus in a sauna but it'll all settle back down as we become the 4th largest economy and a has-been leader who squandered global goodwill like beef jerky at a Texas bathhouse. None of these candidates are offering the kind of game-changing change we need. So, enjoy the downward spiral, find your own integrity, send some of it to Hillary, and learn a bit of Mandarin along the way.
I don't live anywhere close to Kentucky or West Virginia, but was apalled to see the journalist insinuate that people from Kentucky and West Virginia are less educated than those in Oregon. That is such a stereotype. Surveys tell us that a high percentage of Kentuckyans and West Virginians are racists, but they do not tell they are uneducated. I would say it's not a lack of education, but more an issue of race only. Being raised generation after generation as a racist doesn't make you dumb, it just makes you a racist. Jesse Jackson isn't considered uneducated, but he's a racist. See my point?
BOO-HOO,
Maybe you're the uneducated one because I happen to be working in NY as a long-time computer professional with Master's degree in an IVY League school and earning more than enough to live a luxurious life. I've been keeping track of the election since January and I came into conclusion that Hillary is the best bet to become the next US President after Bush.
Back in the 90s with Bill's first term I was saying, you keep an eye on that lady she is the real brains of the operation. When she was running for senate, I supported her then and she didnt need that much support. I looked at her as strong, capable, good head on her shoulders. In 2000 I was playing in Adobe trying to find a nice typeface for the '08 in Clinton '08 or Hillary 2008 or something. 2007 I heard Barack speak and right there I knew he had It and by It I mean the oratory skills and presence to capture the hearts and imaginations of the people. You could see it in their eyes, and not the True Beliverism, this was different. This was ordinary folk that heard someone speak, it changed them. It changed the way they looked at themselves and it changed the way they looked at their neighbor and they walked away with a sense of hope that maybe things finally had a chance of getting better. A few months later I saw him speak again and the crowds were larger then I remember even in the heady days of my parents working on the McGovern campaign. I kept thinking Hillary was going to drop out, seemed like the entire democratic field emptied out really quick, which was smart. Cause the energy that the Obama campaign had was not something that you go up against, that was something that doesnt come around that often and when it does you jump on board and grab on with both hands cause it is gonna be a heluva a ride.
Now I hear the talking bobble heads say that we are too divided and that the hillary camps and the obama camps hate each other. Now if this was World Cup soccer and the game was going this way, Id be leaving the stadium or at least be quickly putting on my helmet and padding cause there is gonna be a riot. But it is not, it is the Democratic primaries and it brings out the worst of everyone. That doesn't change the fact that we are still Democrats and we have a job to do. The GOP machine, has just been sitting there happily purring away while we have been throwing rocks at each other, watching, studying, looking for weaknesses and looking for dirt and we have given it to them. Kinda figure that about 1/5th of the "breaking news" stories have been broke, the GOP is sitting on a bunch of stuff that they have in the wings on Hillary and a bunch of stuff they have in the wings on Obama and they are just waiting for our little drama to be over with to figure out which box of files they are gonna put back in storage for another day. The GOP machine is still kinda hibernating, it has poked it's head outside a few times and sniffed the air, maybe rummaged around for a berry or two, then back to sleep. But do not let that lull you into a false sense of security. The hibernation is almost over, they will awaken and when they do, that is when the real battle begins. The only question that truly remains is: Are we strong enough and decent enough to put our differences aside and unite as one? Can we with one voice, can we state emphaticaly that this era of fascism and fear is over and we are not going to buy the lies and the spin any longer. I think we are, I know I am, im tired of this, tired of the lies tired of the spin, tired of someone telling me what to think, like I dont have the ability to discern what is right and what is wrong. We have let others do our thinking and talking for us for far too long. I think it is time that we took the reins back for our country.
To Longhorn Fan:
Jeez - did someone turn over a rock and find you there? You sound like a Nazi! And by the way, WE are the Democratic Party my friend and Obama will not win without us in the GE. Deal with it.
I too think Clinton could run closer here than sometimes expected because people in Oregon do not like to be told what they are going to do.
BUT Obama will sweep anyhow. Maybe just not by the same margin that West Virginia gave Clinton. It's okay. She needs to run til she's done. Her math is not widely understood but her drive to win the prize is widely understood.
Hillary is dangerously out of touch with reality, her ego is blinding. Her enormous debt is enough to make any voter leery of her economic policies. How can she manage our national economy when she cannot even manage her campaign finances?
She attracts voters who won't support a cnadidate because of the color of his skin. She attracts older voters rather than young. We should think about the make-up of our party for future races and focus on bringing in younger voters for whom race is not the dialogue.
I am actually an older woman with limited income but I can see that the US has more a future with Obama.
I don't think I could listen to that voice for four years, like nails on a chalkboard.
Go Obama!
The democrats need to understand something before they put forward a candidate for the coming general election. If you put up Obama, you’ll probably win an historic landslide victory, and may even redraw the Republican/Democrat map for the next generation. If you put up that horror from NY, you’ll not only lose this election, but you’ll lose the hearts and minds of America for the next two terms, minimum.
We remember...
Mogadishu
Branch Davidians
Rwanda
Hillarycare
Whitewater
Filegate
Travelgate
Lewinsky
Impeachment
… and more!
The fact that you would consider putting that family in office again is an insult to the thinking American. The failures of the Billary Clinton era should remain exactly where we left them, in the 1990s. Give yourselves and others a chance to do something significant for a change. It’s time to reject the culturing and harvesting of political office, reject the notion of dynastic rule. Eject Bush and Clinton from the future of our troubled country. They had their chances, and both botched it quite nicely.
I’m one republican who is ready to jump ship and vote Obama! However, I’ll never vote for that little monster from NY. Why would anyone vote for someone who doesn’t have the self-respect and dignity to go-it-alone in the face of betrayal? She couldn’t stand up for herself. What makes you think, when the chips are down, she’s going to stand up for you and me?
Put her up and lose, put him up and win, it’s really that simple.
I think the rhetoric surrounding "Women vote for Hillary" and "Black people vote for Obama" is absurd. This nominee process has crossed racial and gender lines across a lot of states. I am a white woman, my husband is a white man, and we voted for Obama, as did a lot of white people...and we live in Mississippi. Can we please stop the "anti-woman" and "anti-black/white" chat? There are a few things I do like about Hillary, but I like a whole lot more about Obama. I am not a democrat, I base my decisions on the issues, the honesty of the person, the intelligence of the person, and the person who has been embroiled in LESS scandal. Can anyone say Whitewater? Contrary to popular belief, Hillary has yet to be vetted, and when she is (if she is), it will be a disaster.
Hillary is done, stick a fork in her..
She has misrepresented herself as a true Presidential Candidate..
Hillary's past reads like a EX-CONS play book...
She had broke numerous Federal and State Laws, WhiteWater, FBIgate, Travelgate, Rose Lawfirmgate, Taxgate..
Lied to her supporters numerous times.
Can't be trusted with money and financing..
Her Campaign staffers including Bill support Nafta and helped to lose more jobs in the US than Bush.
She lied about all her experiences while in the White House.
She is a fraud and the Zombies of women and uneducated men keep supporting her..
You Hillary supporters are no better than the Republicans that want to keep out Country going down the toilet..
WAKE UP WOMEN AND UNEDUCATED MEN..
THIS WOMEN IS VILE AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU, SHE CARES ABOUT HERSELF AND THE WHITE HOUSE...
Like in NY once she is there, WE AE SCREWED!!!
Astrology Prediction: President Hillary ClintonYear of the RAT prediction (Chinese Astrology) Hilary Clinton will be the next US President. When she sees a rat, she will scream with tears in her eyes. Women will give her their votes because they also scream when they see a rat. Men will also give her their votes because they want to protect the fair sex If she doesn't get the Nomination, she should run Independent and she will win the White House. People WAKE UP! Women, I urge you to gather up with your husbands to rally behind Hillary Clinton. She's the REAL HOPE that America needs to bring about REAL CHANGE towards peace and prosperity. She's the only qualified candidate that can bring back the glory of the 90's.
I love this: Obama seems hell-bound and determined to declare himself the nominee even though he still won't have the actual number of delegates to meet the magic "2,025."
Dang, this is like the late Roman Empire: rival generals proclaiming themselves Emperor and then doing battle for the right of succession. I can already smell blood, hatred, and discontent in Denver this summer....
Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.
This Man and the people behind him are very treasonous for this country. Why people do not see it?
It is so sad that American people is so blind and do not see the real Issue.
We are tire of Obama’s speeches.
He will come with some game of words, to convince that he is a white sheep. The sad part is that people gets confused and believe him when he speaks and do not see the real issue.
When African-Americans voted for Bill Clinton by margins of 80-90%, was that racism? When African-Americans have historically voted Democratic by 90% or better, was that racism? So how is it when African-Americans vote for an African-American male Democrat over a white female Democrat, suddenly it's "racism" and a problem? Funny how it wasn't a problem until the African-American vote switched from Clinton to Obama.
I will be writing in Hillary for our President! I will not vote for Obama.
Come on people-Just write her name in- There should be enough women to elect her president.
I love the previous comment; it's like, "makes sense, makes some sense..ok not my thing but not crazy...makes sense...ALAN KEYES!!! AHHH RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!"
And as for the American South...someone remind me why we fought the Civil War?
Can we get them to re-secede?
It's a democracy (or supposed to be). Vote for who you wish... but be informed. There are things you probably don't know about Obama. Be informed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3602710.ece
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/23/224059/069
http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqH-BB6brKg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy9NwI8_i0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-q9w_H2ACA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kkGGqufu2c&feature=related
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JD29Aa01.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4861699&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4111483
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/media-bias-against-clinton-and-what-obama-doesnt-want-you-know
for a few...
Also be aware that the media is extremely biased and very much against Clinton, as are online polls and posts. Moderators frequently do not allow Clinton supporters to vote in the polls or post on blogs... the machine is at work... looks like we might be in for another "appointed" presidency, but at least this time they will make it look more like the guy was elected.
GO HILLARY!!!! Your skill and commitment are only surpassed by your compassion and boundless energy to solve our problems!!!!!
The only thing hillbillaree is closing in on is...the entrance of the FAT LADY.
hillbillaree won't be remembered for dragging this race on to the "damage" of the democratic party. She will be remembered for her DESPERATION, her POMPOUS attitude, her SEXIST campaign, and her intentional RCISM where she blatantly focused on blue collar workers because that is all she had left.
hillbillaree will be remembered as a self-serving "disgrace" to the democratic party and PROCESS.
Good riddance clintons! Don't let the DOOR HIT YA ON THE WAY OUT!!!
To all those who say people won't vote for Obama cause he's black, I ask the following:
Is South Africa better off under white Apartheid then, or under the black ANC now?
Would you rather live in South Central LA, or Pasadena?
Is it racism? So what of it?
In the 90s I was saying to keep an eye on that lady. She is smart, strong and confident. I supported her for her bid for the Senate. Not because she was a woman or anything as trite as that but because it is kinda a pre req for a presidential bid it seems if you haven't been a Governor, so her in the Senate, that was a smart move. That was before I had heard or even seen Obama. I was a Hillary person before that. Then I heard Obama, and saw the energy and saw the look in peoples eyes, and it was more then True Beliverism in a few excitable people, it was a paradigm shift of massive porportions. The democratic field cleared out quicly. The Obama train was not something that you wanted to be in the way of, you wanted to run and catch up, grab on tight with both hands and jump on board. We had not seen that kind of energy in this country for almost 50 years.
Now the talking bobble heads are saying that the Democratic party is too divided and that the Hillary and Obama camps hate each other, and that there is too much bad blood.
We are still Democrats and we have a job to do.
The GOP machine is still hibernating. Sure it might have poked it's head out of the cave and sniffed the air, maybe rummaged around for a few berries, But while this whole little primary drama of ours has unfolded, they have been watching, and studying us and have been furiously looking for ways to divide us and keep us divided and they have suceeded, maybe? Or are we strong enough to stand together as one going into the fall and in one loud clear voice state emphaticaly that this era of fascism and fear is over with.
Figure about 1/5 maybe less of the "breaking news" stories have been broke. The GOP has a big box of stuff for Hillary and they have a big box of stuff for Obama. All they are waiting for now is to figure out which box to leave out and which box to put back on the shelf for another day. The only way we are going to do this, is to do this together. So lets get our priorties back in focus and get to work. The Primaries bring out the worst in people, that is kinda what they do, and are supposed to do, and no one is immune from it. Might wanna look at it as a very messy, visceral vetting process and nothing more. Something we have to go through to get to the other side, that doesnt mean that we let it rip us apart. Someone has to win and someone has to lose, we always knew that.
Let you in on a little secret. If we start opening up that can of worms called Michigan and Florida delegates we might as well just quit right now and start watching reruns of reality shows.
Soon we will all be safe , well fed, insured, employed and free of all want and need.
I can hardly wait until November. All the World will be one big love in.
It's all so simple . Change is coming. Again
Don't vote the empty talkers in a nice suite ! Hillary is the best option for such hard times ! She will fight for the middle class ! She will fight to address this country ! We have to remember how was our economy 7-8 years ago ! We need practical solutions, not dreams and illusions !
Regarding Obama I have a simple proverb: "Can the leopard change his spots ?"
Hillary clitnton,
this comes from a concern woman, you don belong there.
To: Longhorn Fan,
Be careful, your Hitler is showing. Talk about not being the brightest bulb!!
This is America, everyone has a voice, not just you. The primaries are good
for the country and the party. The passion as returned to America....just because it is not the way you see it does not make it wrong. Everyone should be heard.
Then everyone comes together and backs the ONE candidate.
From:Some one who has lived longer than you and seen a lot
I want Hillary to be our next President.
We can't go from conservative extremism to liberal extremism--both can be dangerous. Obama is too far left to represent the USA.
I want a mature president who has experience. I love Hillary's plans and so is so brilliant and strong.
Obama has beena US senator for 36 months, and he wrote two books and campaigned the majority of that time, and voted "present" 130 times, as though he wasn't even paying attention to what he voted for, and then he admitted to pushing the wrong button 6 times, for the votes that people argued him on.
Obama talks about "change" as though it is revolutionary, but he didn't change his district in Chicago at all, perhaps he made it even worse because he looked the other way when his 20 year long friend Tony Rezko let thousands of poor black people almost freeze to death in his slumlord arpatment buildings.
Obama is a fraud, and it's such a shame that liberals are so sick of Bush that they are falling for Obama. The man lacks substance and the media helped to build his cult of personality through tons of propaganda and lies, and it's a crying shame.
We need a realist who is a hard worker and someone who has a serious record of making real change, and we need Hillary.
I will not vote for Obama, because I think he has poor judgement and his choices in associates and affiliations and his own words have offended me.
Hillary 08! Never Obama. EVER.
HILLARY 2008 OR HILLARY 2012 YOU STAY IN AND FIGHT THERE ARE A LOT OF DUM PEOPLE OUT THERE.
The super delegate kingmakers of the Democratic Party should not find it difficult, using fair rational judgment, to tell Mrs. Clinton that she has lost the contest for the Party's presidential nomination ticket to Barack Obama. That has been very clear to both the Clinton and the Obama camps and all observers since the Clinton camp failed to achieve the big win she hoped for in the big states of Ohio and Texas and with the Obama camp wasting no time in wiping off whatever gains she made in Ohio in the next contests that followed. Obama has thus demonstrated that he is not just good at giving speeches but also at rightly analyzing difficult situations to form the right strategy to employ for achieving even seemingly impossible objectives and at accomplishing unbelievable great tasks and goals.
So formidable was the nomination task that all the rivals of Mrs. Clinton faced against her perceived inevitability and long time preparation and proven superior campaign organization at the beginning of the nomination contest, with Obama being, perhaps, the least expected to have a chance to win. Obama’s win in Iowa was so unbelievable in Bill Clinton’s ears that he started seeing the whole thing as a “fairy tale”. And when polls started showing Obama overtaking Mrs. Clinton at the next state in the nomination calendar the ex-president started complaining about the time table which the only the Clinton camp was in position to influence than any other candidate when it was being drawn. The sudden realization that Obama’s challenge for the nomination, which was already written off for her, was real and credible was too much for Mrs. Clinton to bear that she publicly burst into tears that led many to cast votes of pity for her, which eventually helped her to win in New Hampshire. From then on the ex-president and the rest of the Clinton camp seemed to have come to realize that she could hardly win playing by the fair rules that was in place at the beginning and which all the contestants approved and agreed to abide by. They started ignoring the rules and complained against them, and challenge and seek to change them unfairly in her favor to help her win.
Mrs. Clinton started this campaign as the presumed Democratic Party’s nominee with all the advantages that any contestant can ever hope for. She had a huge financial edge with the backing of main donors of the Party. She along with her husband the de facto party leader as the last US president from the Democratic Party still enjoyed overwhelming support from the Party officials and the Party members generally across the country. The Party establishment and the Party apparatuses worked together to support Mrs. Clinton as the choice of the establishment, perhaps to the detriment of the Party. Furthermore, the national and most state polls gave Mrs. Clinton overwhelming lead by very wide margin over all her rivals in the nomination race for the Democratic Party’s nominee. In addition, the eight years in the White House as the First Lady had made her famous nationally and internationally, quite unlike Barack Obama the new comer. Of course it may seem a big disgrace that such an unknown new figure like Barack Obama should emerge out of nowhere to and coming from behind to beat such a presumed nominee with all the advantages with her. That should explain why the Clinton camp is doing everything destroy the image of Obama to render him unelectable as the Party nominee. At this point, Mrs. Clinton has no hope of winning the contest by any fair means, so she got nothing to lose.
There is indeed a “difference between making speeches and implementing solutions.” This campaign has offered both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama to prove themselves as achievers. Obama has proved that he can achieve his goal within a non-conducive environment using whatever resources he’s got without bending the rule. Mrs. Clinton has proved that she’s a failure. We now know why she has been failing to achieve even when she has all the chances to succeed well. The Democratic Party would do itself a great injustice if it denies such an achiever like Obama the chance to win the presidency for the Party in November by allowing the Clinton camp to continue with their destructive campaign after knowing that she cannot win by any fair means going but the rule of the game which both campaigns agree to abide with at the beginning of the contest. Obama has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he can get things done. He has made it impossible for the Party to reject his candidacy to be the Party’s nominee. We should give him the opportunity and all the support he needs to implement the changes he has promised. Mrs. Clinton has had her chances and had failed over and over. Let’s give Mr. Obama the credit he deserves, and not give Mrs. Clinton a credit she deserves not.
The truth is that Mrs. Clinton already knew that she had lost this nomination contest by alienating the African Americans with her appeal to racial division and racial blackmail. She knows very well that such shameless open appeal to racial prejudice would surely work against her and against the Democratic Party in November should she become the Party’s nominee. She definitely did not hope to win the presidency with just the vote of the “hardworking white Americans” without the support of other races, particularly the African and Latino Americans as well as other ethnic minorities. So, the Party leaders as well as those who are still backing her campaign should see clearly that she’s no longer campaigning to win the presidential nomination, which she knows she has lost, but to destroy the Party and its chances to win in November. Therefore, all those who are interested in the success of the Democratic Party should withdraw their support for Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy NOW, and stop her from her desperate, open and shameless attack against the strong base of the Party, which is its racial and class collisions. Having gone to the extent which she has gone in her negative campaign its obvious that Mrs. Clinton might have crossed the line, beyond which all her hope of ever becoming president is lost FOREVER. Both Hillary and her husband Bill Clinton, the former president, are too clever not to know this.
Therefore, the Party faithful should not allow themselves to be fooled into thinking Mrs. Clinton is still having any hope of winning the nomination or the presidential election in November. Her only hope for continuing with the campaign now is to ensure that Obama does not win the presidency in November, and perhaps that no African American nor any non-white American is ever allowed to become the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee for the White House. That will definitely destroy the base of the Party as non-whites will no longer see themselves as having equal opportunity with their white counterparts. A win by Obama in November could never happen without the support of the white majority. However such a win would encourage all the minorities as well as the whites to join the Democratic Party as the Party with the best chances to win the presidency. Such a strong collision will ensure the Democratic Party leadership in American politics for decades to come.
In a boxing match a good referee that knows his job well will stop the match when it is clear that one side has the clear upper hand that the other side cannot possibly match and that continuing the fight is only is likely to result in very serious, or maybe fatal, injury. In their carelessness, or is it blindness, some super delegates may think that it is Obama that is been battered by Clinton in West Virginia and wherever else she may win in the remaining primaries since it had become clear that she could not possibly overtake Obama's lead in pledge delegates and number of states won. Obama has won the contest against the giant Clinton, period. The remaining contest is Clinton against the Democratic Party to stop the Party from crowning the winner, Obama, and to force the Party leaders to give the crown to the loser, Clinton, instead. To do that will mean a fatal blow to the Democratic Party.
The argument that Clinton supporters will turn to vote for McCain if Clinton was not nominated despite losing the contest to Obama, should be seen as the argument of a loser/spoiler that has nothing to lose if things fall apart. It is most likely that they are Republicans that would vote for McCain anyway, even if Clinton got the nomination. However, they so dread Obama's appeal to the independents that they would prefer Clinton, much more so if that could rip apart the Democratic Party. The Obama camp cannot make such a reckless declaration lest they anger the Clinton Democratic supporters/voters and alienate them, and consequently lose the Presidential election to McCain in November. But let no one fool himself/herself into assuming that Obama’s supporters would be there to vote for Clinton against McCain in November if the Party leaders robbed Obama to give Clinton the nomination. And Clinton, without the votes of Obama’s supporters, cannot be expected to win in November by any right-thinking Democratic Party leader.
It is time to stop Clinton from behaving as an already elected President who can dictate her will to the Democratic Party leaders in total disregard for the Party rules that she pledged to abide with along with all the other contestants.
Hillary Clinton, if I could grow male sex organs to get myself as far away as possible from your dirty, conniving, out for fame and fortune self I would.
She makes me ashamed to be a woman because she proves that to make it in this world as a woman, you have to act like a shameful, despicable man.
Obama is more feminine in his worldview and compassion than she will EVER be.
I hereby declare Hillary Clinton a man because a woman would NEVER act so shameful to get ahead.
Blah, blah, blah, whine whine whine.
The comments posted on this page are a bizarre assortment of over-the-top analytical drivel (i.e. "You shouldn't vote for Obama because I read a book called 'Why Obama can't Win', and here are some quotes!") and raving lunatics who WRITE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TYPE.
And I'm so tired of all of the Clinton supporters who spend paragraphs positioning themselves as true believers in the Democratic cause and then follow it up with statements that they'll vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee!
I mean, what are your priorities? (1) woman if possible, (2) white person in any case? McCain wants NOTHING that Clinton says she wants.
Hillary has proven over and over again that she should be the democratic nominee. She has clear plans to begin to turn this country around. She has the experience needed to implement her plans, she understands that just because she wishes it should be so, it doesn't happen w/o hard work.
Obama on the other hand seems to think by waving his magic wand, everyone will fall in line with his views. He has not demonstrated to me how he will achieve bipartisan unity, especially when I look at how split the democratic party is right now.
It is Hillary for me all the way.
I am a well educated (6 years college) 36 year old African America woman (I call that young!) and I'm supporting Hillary Clinton all the way to the White House!!!!!!!
How do you like those demographics!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COME ON OREGON AND KENTUCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE SMART - VOTE HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to all you obumer supporters if you want to see a real racist.ignorant,elist.no respect for other people views but your own look in a mirrow.
Subee
A good education does not insure good judgement.
Youth does not guarantee wisdom.
But you do have that African American woman thing going for you.
I'm sure Hillery is impressed.
Hey, hang on a minute, wasn't the Edwards endorsement supposed to win over the good people of Kentucky? What's he going to do? Endorse Obama again on Wednesday night after Hillary's beaten him by 3 votes to 1 in yet another primary? Hilarious.
Obama speech: 75,000 people
Clinton speech (With Bill): 1,100
Choosing the best nominee: Priceless
Funny how you use the word priceless....then again it was a free concert!!!!
I have to dispute the author's following statement: "The tale of two states voting Tuesday demonstrates again the demographic divide in the Democratic race -- blue-collar voters for Clinton, more affluent and more educated voters for Obama."
Oregon's median household income is on par with Ohio's (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/h08.html), a state that Hillary won because of her supposed strength with blue-collar white voters. Oregon is also overwhelmingly white (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/41000.html). And Oregon is going to vote solidly for Obama tomorrow. Wisconsin is another example of a state full of white working class voters that went strongly for Obama. I think people need to recognize that Obama does NOT have a problem with working class white voters across the board. White Appalachian voters seem to have a problem with him. I'll let others analyze the reasons for this, but I just wanted to point out that Obama's coalition of support is broader than the conventional wisdom seems to give him credit for.
Whites may occassionally be racist but with a 93% African American vote for Obama, there is little doubt that race is a major factor for African Americans.
Perhaps Blue collar workers don't like people who think that babies are burdens and a punishment and don't care to be talked down to by elitist snobs, no matter what color. It must make the whites who are voting for Obama feel great; they are voting for someone just like themselves but hey, he is Black! Wahoo! They are only economic snobs, not racially motivated snobs.
Economics is often the greater divide between people than color. Uneducated factory workers who have lost their jobs have little hope in having their needs addressed by a man who has been raised to believe that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Doesn't the fact that he has decided to ignore Hillary seem more than a bit snobbish? What about the fact that he wants to represent all 50 states but doesn't deign campaign in the ones that he won't win? How crass is that?
As a Michigan person who voted for Hillary, he disenfranchised me long ago. McCain has my vote if I can't vote for Hillary and I would vote for him if he were purple.
If Obama is the nominee and loses to McCain, he and the party will no doubt blame Hillary. But if he's the nominee and loses, it will be because he has been totally uninterested in assuring HER supporters that he cares about them and their issues. His attitude has been sexist, condescending, and oblivious to fthe concerns of that half of the party supporting Clinton.
Hillary can't her man her own finances or her own family in a decnet sense of order. How in God's name can you think she can keep a completely divided country in order? Give it up, both of the Demo's. Neither of you have a chance against McCain anyways. Universal Healthcare - give me a break. the second that becomes law, most of the MD's will skip the country because thier wages will fall flat. People will be waiting for medical care for months due to the lack of healthcare professionals. Anyone who votes for either of these Democrats needs to go visit Canada first...see how thier 'Universal Healthcare' raised taxes 200%, and makes waiting months for a doctors' visit mandatory.
I am a well-educated (8 years college - 2 Masters Degrees) and there is no way I'd even consider voting Obama or Clinton. Clinton destroyed this country last time and Bush had to take the heat while cleaning up the mess.
Yeh'a Hillary keep going, so you cah get beat fair-&-square!
I am a life long Democrat but I am voting for Mc Cain ... A am also African American!! The Anti Obama moventment in the democratic party is growing larger by the hour.... The media and Obama think we will just get over this... Boy are they in for a surprise.... I will also work for the Mc Cain campaign to do every thing i can to help Obama lose..
The media bias for Barack Obama is pathetic. It is clear that Hillary Clinton is by far the superior candidate for the general election against John McCain. Yes, Barack Obama is a prolific speaker; yes, Barack Obama draws people to the polls, but at best—and I mean at best—Obama ’08 will be another Gore ’00. By that, I mean, he does stand a chance to edge out maybe in popular vote, but he will flunk in the electoral college.
Clinton has carried the populous states while Obama has not. More importantly, she won West Virginia! No Democrat since 1916 has won the White House without winning this state and it does not at all favor Obama. She is carrying the swing states. She won in Florida (neither candidate campaigned, Obama ran TV-ads) and she won handily. She won in Ohio and Pennsylvania. These are the three “Big Swing States.” No candidate since Kennedy has won without two of these three. In the polls, Hillary would take all three of these states easily against McCain. McCain would crush Obama in Florida by up to 20 point margins, win comfortably in Ohio, and the only state Obama is likely to win, Clinton supporters vow now to back the Illinois Senator and Obama will have to juggle trying to keep Pennsylvania in his grips and edge McCain out in Ohio (Florida would be hopeless.)
Hillary edged out Obama in Texas with record number Hispanics voting (over 60% of voters), the controversy over Florida and Michigan delegations will be a problem for Obama—even if the delegates are seated, they won’t be seated necessarily in accord with how they voted. Therefore, the Democrats with Obama already risk losing 44 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win. By the way, on the electoral map Obama seems to lock in 217 votes to McCain’s 241 with 80 votes in toss-up states. Hillary leads with 251 electoral votes to McCain’s 203 electoral votes with an 84 toss up.
McCain has a handle with Obama on Ohio, West Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Indiana, Michigan, and perhaps even Pennsylvania and that is NOT good for Democrats. The battlegrounds are going to be similar to that of 2004 save Indiana (Republican) and Illinois (Democrat), but from Pennsylvania to Wisconsin; Minnesota south to Missouri; Colorado, New Mexico, Florida, Nevada, and New Hampshire.
Obama will argue that he puts Virginia and North Carolina into play (doubtful). Obama will have do more than put states into play, i.e. closing the margin, he will HAVE TO win them; and if Obama doesn’t carry Michigan (17 electoral votes), Florida (27 electoral votes), Ohio (20 electoral votes), Indiana (11 electoral votes), and if he somehow gives up Pennsylvania (21 electoral votes), he is screwed.
The problem is that Obama pumps talk of “putting states into play” that is, going after toss ups. But how many toss ups can you get out of the said, 80 points that are up between he and McCain? He would be exercising so much effort for the hope of winning those states when he would losing key swing states that he cannot win the White House without. Clinton—like her or not—has an edge in the battleground states because the constituencies of those states play to her strengths.
If anything, Obama will lose the general election to McCain—this is the prediction of Karl Rove and I’m willing to take him to the bank on it. But, the greatest it seems Obama can produce is edging out the popular vote (most votes in his favor), but because of the states he wins are insufficient in electoral votes, McCain will win the electoral vote and thus the presidency (hence, he will be a repeat of Gore).
This is the Democrats election to lose. EVERYTHING IS IN THEIR FAVOR. Hell, in 2004, everything was in their favor. But, if Clinton supporters are right, we’re nominating the wrong candidate and that’s no small consequence: four more years of Republican governance when he could have had an electoral slam dunk victory for the Democrats via Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Clinton, Obama, and McCain are all equally useless... you people need to go read a few books about their histories before you cast votes... seriously.
Obama will lose! It is part of the "PLAN". Don't you see it? Don't you get it? Hillary hang in there!!! We've got your back.
It is news worthy that he drew a crowd that large. Other things that are newsworthy are that he thought the Great Lakes were in the state of Oregon. The most relevant thing is that Senator Clinton has taken a stand. Governor Kulongoski asked Congress to pass legislation to restore the state's authority in making these siting decisions. Senator Clinton responded, joining with Senator Wyden to serve as the primary cosponsor of legislation restoring Oregon’s siting authority over LNG facilities. Hillary intends to sign that bill into law as President. As President, she will restore the right of Oregon to determine its energy and environmental future. Senator Obama refuses to debate Senator Clinton on the issues because he does not have a true understanding of them. His legacy is speech making and he does that eloquently, but he cannot address issues and cannot discuss the needs of Americans or the voters of Oregon in small groups. We need real leadership, not a meeting where Americans are talked at without substance. Vote for Hillary Clinton to get things done!!
Hillary, go independent and beat Obama and Mcain in the fall! We love you Hillary!!! Girl Power!
OREGON and KENTUCKY !!!!
Don't vote for worthless and hypocrisy ! Don't vote for empty talkers in nice suite ! Hillary is the best option for such hard times ! She will fight for the middle class ! She will fight to address this country ! We have to remember how was our economy 7-8 years ago ! We need practical solutions, not stupid dreams and illusions ! Also the American people will not splodge through the mud to endorse or negotiate with our enemies as Iran, Syria, Ha-mas or Hezbollah !!!
I'm a Republican in Kentucky and I'll be voting for Obama in November. As a Kentuckian I want to tell the rest of you that there are lots of good, educated people in KY on both sides of the aisle, but there are many, many more ignorant, uneducated racists, so if Obama doesn't carry the state that's not much of a condemnation. If that's the kind of person you want running the country and choosing presidents, well, you and I just disagree.
Yeah, you are right, 7-8 years ago, we had a much better economy. And we do need pratical solutions, and those stupid dreams and illusions that this country can be greater then the sum of its parts, dreams like the ones that Thomas Jefferson had, yeah, those will get us nowhere. I think you are right, I think Hillary is the best option for getting through hard times, cause she knows how to get through hard times, but personally I dont just want to get through the hard times, I want to ensure that they dont come back anytime soon, and in that regard, Im sorry but 4 more years of a refried Clinton administration is not what im looking for. You may be looking for that and more power to you, ive had enough of this helping me through hard times. Eisenhower warned us in his farewell address what would happen if we didnt address something then that we needed to, and we didnt, and we have paid for it, in one way or another since then and we are still paying for it. That is almost 50 years of nothing but things getting a little worse and a little worse and the only way it will stop is if we stop it. If we are waiting on Washington, nothing will happen, if we are waiting on Washington, that is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
we have had enough of the clintons and the bushes time for a change .hillary is working with rev wright and the GOP, retire the clintons for good we do not need to give bill other chance at chasing the interns in our oval office. o btw msnbc is doing a great job on reporting the race.the GOP wants to keep the race going and face hillary on the fall becaue they can wgip her
I think that Howard Dean and the DNC has allowed this to go to far. Obama, should have been screened prior to his running for election. Snce his compaigning for the norminee several disconcerting issues regarding his association has come up to the fore. Come on people this man has no business running for public office, and especially the top position of the land. What are you American people thinking? As far as I see, this man is a major security risk. He is unelectable. Any one running for public office needs to be screened thoroughly and that includes association with people such as terrorists and the like. You cannot allow Obama to get away with murder. This country has made many mistakes before. One of the reasons why we are in the brink of a recession. Chosing someone like Obama to be the norminee and to run for the presidency is a crucial mistake.we will be making. First he is inexperience, he has a marginal resume fill of mediocracy . This country is in big trouble Obama as a senator did nothing outstanding to distinguish himself. Do you think that he will do anything now to alleviate the problems America face? I don't think so. McCain, we know, at least he won't be a security risk. Vote for McCain, if Obama is the norminee..
I am a science major and speak 4 languages. Not only do I support Hillary but I also support the people who support her!! We are family!! It is a shame to hear some people treating Hillary supporters as ignorant and illiterate “INTELLIGENT PE OPLE CHOOSE OBAMA and prevail” (Helen of Truth). No matter how intelligent you may be (no evidence of it considering the comments,) you still depend on those so called ignorant and illiterate people!! You cannot survive without them!! For a start, they grow your food, manufacture your car, build your house,… Who are you to judge so badly the very people you depend on for life??!! I am glad that Hillary is backing them up in exercising their rights and choices. Let’s stay civil and respect one another!!
To the Obama speech blogger, not everyone wants to follow the herd. When the media pushes a product on me too hard I resist. That product is Obama. I also think Clinton would make a better president.
A well-educated, professional in FL
This is for the arrogant little elitist (longhorn fan) who says he wants IQ tests for voters. I AM FROM KENTUCKY. I have a recorded IQ of 164 and I am a member of MENSA. I think I more than qualify to vote, moreso than he does.
Are you willing to stake YOUR IQ against mine "longhorn fan"? I didn't think so.
Also, EVERY state which has had educational reform in the past 20 years have followed Kentucky's example because it WORKS. Kentuckians are NOT uneducated hillbillies regardless of how your stereotype would like to portray them. All you are doing, longhorn fan, is making a fool of yourself and taking votes away from your "golden boy" Obama. I have found nothing but racism and sexism in the Obama supporters as well as a lack of any logical thought whatsoever.
As for Kentucky, that leads the nation in Educational Reform, we will be voting for Hillary Clinton because we are intelligent, educated citizens. It's stupid, racist, sexist idiots like longhorn fan who will continue to support the candidate of no substance to the bitter end.
If there is a possibility for Hillary to win this, we will push with all our might AND our Mensa chapters to ensre that it happens whether racist bigots like YOU like it or not.
Stick your stereotype where it belongs longhorn fan (texan perhaps? home of the dumbya bush?). Learn your facts about a group of people before you paint them with your biased brush based on stereotypes that have been dead for decades.
You fear Hillary Clinton because she is more of a man than you'll ever be and doesn't need genitalia to beat you.
Take your little 95 IQ and support Obama and drink his kool aid, those of us from 110 up to 165 and above will be voting for Hillary in the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky upon which on states are basing thier educational reforms.
Often, I feel like I don't want Hillary to win... Not because I don't like her. But because I don't like her supporters. By the candidate's own admission, niether are too different on the issues. Can someone tell me what all the "passion" is about? This is much bigger than any of you. There is too much on the line to have you mess it up for all of us and this country because you're sore and miserable at loseing. If either of them win fairly, by the rules of the DNC, then that's who needs your support. No! ..America needs your support. If that doesn't appeal to your sensible side, then you can all vote for McCain and hopefully, you'll get your wish and by extention, what you deserve.
I just got back from visiting family in rural East Central Minnesota.
My parents had been very Republican in the 80s and 90s, even being active in the county Republican party. Disillusionment began to set in, though, in the late 90s and 2000s, and not just with the Republicans, but with the whole political system--"nothing changes no matter who's in charge".
Having personally bought into this presidential campaign to the point where I contributed money to a campaign for the first time in my life (and I'm in my mid-40s) I wanted to at least get a sense of where they were and maybe urge them to a little less disillusionment.
When I told them I'd contributed to Obama, my mother volunteered that she expected she'd vote for McCain, but she really kinda hoped Obama would win. I said what I could to encourage this, that it really looks like he wants to change the way politics have been done over the last two decades. Then she also told me that her sister-in-law had dropped in for a visit a couple weeks ago and told her "I don't care, I'm voting for Obama!".
These women are very white, in their 60s, raised poor, made it up to working-class with their husbands, and are all now retired. And now looking that they might help carry Minnesota for Obama in the fall.
Barrack Obama is out talking about the Security of American, Welcoming a debate with McCain on the subject. But what in the line of Protecting america can you lay a finger on when it comes to Barrack Obama. A speech? A speech that did not reach the ears of most Americans in the first place, because Barrack was not very well known until he started to run for President.
The Speech did not keep us for entering Iraq, The speech did not stop Obama from voting the same as Hillary did in the senate. The speech did not save the lives of millions of Iraqi citizens, The speech did not save the lives of more that 4000 American soldiers. The fact is, the speech has been and still is very much inaffective. Unlike his opponent Hillary Clinton who can atleast point to the experience of Desert storm and Bosnia during Bill Clinton time in office, Barrack Obama has nothing that is relevant in his backround that would lead you to say Yes He Can. Barrack Obama has also had the type of Relationships that still cause people to think seriously about his character. Its amazing how he can denounce his Pastor Twice and have the Media totally clean the issue up for him, Pandering is a better word for this sanerio. Barrack Obama is a smart guy, so its really unbelievable to me that he can attend a church for 20 years and not know what his Pastor, Rev. Wright's ideal of Black Liberation Theology was all about. Especially when the Rev. repeats on National Television that the Writer, James H Cone is the main source of his motto and theme of the Trinity United Church of Christ. Do your own research.this relationship, among other questionable ones. Barrack Obama has stated in the past two days the fact the he would not talk to our enimies without conditions, and turns right around in a dispute against McCain and ask why do all condition has to be met before we talk to our enemies. He said that it was not a good stratagic, but liken it to a fairytale of the sort. well what is it that Obama intends to do? Michelle Obama is fair game, Chelsa Clinton was attacked several times as was the spouse of Hillary Clinton. It sounded like Obama was actually threatening the conservatives for putting the ads out. He also tells the american people to eat less, so they can drive thier big cars. Just thought that one was hallirious. Do he intend to also tell us how to think next? Based on what i have said here and i am the convicted type, i don't see where i can cast a vote for Barrack Obama in good concience. Its still time to Stop Barrack Obama people.
HILLARY CLINTON IS THE GREATEST CAMPAIGNER IN AMERICAN HISTORY !!!
HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:
IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!
It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania, and loss in Indiana and West Virginia makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.
Sen. Obama has zero chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources without Hillary Clinton. Zero chance.
It is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.
Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Sen. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.
Sen. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Sen. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.
If Sen. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.
Don't be fooled by the pledged delegate, and math arguments. Neither candidate has the necessary pledged delegates. The entire delegates counts, and votes from Florida, and Michigan are not even being counted. Plus the democratic caucuses, and primarys have been heavily corrupted by fraud, and vote cheating. The only relevant question now is who can best WIN IN NOVEMBER and take back the Whitehouse for the American people. And the answer is HILLARY CLINTON. Everyone knows that now.
Sincerely
Jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. Cynthia Ruccia - I'm with ya baby. All the way. "Clinton Supporters Count Too."
Can't the Obama supporters come up with something else besides calling Clinton supporters "racists?" It sounds like a "stuck record." ( Oops sorry I forgot, the term "stuck record" may not mean anything to some Obama supporters. Please check with your parents or maybe grand-parents for an accurate definition.)
What happened to being "nice" to we Clinton supporters? After all according to the media pundits and your "fearless leader himself" , your candidate almost has the nomination? Only one problem - the voters in recent primaries in Ohio, Texas, Pa., R. I., Indiana, and West Va. have not followed the "party line" and now it looks like Ky. may be another blow-out for Clinton and Oregon (supposedly another "Obama country" state) may not give him the "big win" that he was supposed to have.
There's much people dont understand. The Democratic nominee will have the hardest time on November. Obama can still lose, but if Hillary is the nominee, McCain will win the GE. Most Obama supporters have found reason to despise Hillary Clinton and I doubt they will support her if she gets the nomination. If Obama gets it, he has a good chance this November, but McCain has a better chance. Either way, Its impossible. The Democrats are divided...
Barack Obama is generating more excitement than anything in recent history. He is fantastic! I admire him, respect him, and pray for him daily.
There's a reason educated people vote for Barack Obama while un- and under-educated people favor Hillary. Educated people generally think for theselves, rather than follow the mob. Educated people are aware of Barack Obama's potential for bringing this Nation to its rightful place. Un- and under-educated people see a black candidate.
So happy people in Oregon are intelligent, educated people, we're for Obama!!
OBAMA '08
Yes We Can!!
Sorry Hillary,
Obama will never get the support of anyone in my extended family ,.
SO YOU'D BETTER WIN..... OR WE'LL HAVE TO DEFECT....
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
Blacks are not voting for Barack Obama because he happens to be black. Blacks are voting for him because the Clintons have revealed themselves to be racists. For the longest time, blacks actually loved the Clintons. However, when Bill came out with the "fairy tale" comment and likening Barack's South Carolina win to Jesse Jackson's win there, the Clintons showed their hold card. We didn't like that hold card.
If you will recall, initially blacks were poised to vote for Hillary because Barack was not all that well known and because he wasn't "black enough".
Tell me this, how many primaries have blacks voted for white candidates? How many primaries have blacks voted for black candidates?
Since Sen. Clinton currently leads in the popular vote in the primary, it is not logical to 'count her out' as some have suggested:
* CLINTON - 16,691,639
* OBAMA - 16,648,060
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/politics
Also, since she appears to have a better chance against McCain according to most polls...
http://www.GordonWayneWatts.com/HowHillaryMightWin.html
http://www.GordonWatts.com/HowHillaryMightWin.html
...therefore, it is not logical to assume the superdelegates will vote for Obama.
In case people forget, let me remind you of the reason the 'Superdelegates' were created in the 1st place:
When it was discovered that the candidate with the most "pledged" delegates sometimes is not the strongest candidate for November (example: Jimmy Carter), it was decided that "superdelegates" would be created as a "correction factor":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate
http://superdelegates.org/Main_Page#The_Democratic_Delegate_Process
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20080214.html
All three links look very good. Therefore, it is only logical to conclude that whomever has the best chance against McCain will be chosen by the remaining undecided Superdelegates -which is not necessarily the same candidate who has the most "pledged" delegates.
If the Superdelegate merely picked the person which their home district picked, then why even give them the right to vote? So, since they do have a choice, they should be expected to pick the candidate with the best chance of winning in November. For the Democrats, that would currently be Sen. Clinton. Observe:
1. She is ahead in popular vote
2. Polls suggest she has the better chance against McCain
3. She has more experience
That all could change -it is a close primary, bur presently, the only thing Obama leads in is delegate count.
Hillary and her supporters are delusional. She cannot and will not win the nomination. She may however, divide the party such that she will hand the national win over to McCain. Have you looked at the math really carefully all you Hillary supporters. Do you really believe that she has the right to hog all the votes in Michigan from an uncontested election? She is divisive and corrupt, as was her husband. And she voted for a war for political expediency, giving a known imbecile the power to start an illegal war in Iraq. Obama is not leading Hillary by 16 points in the national polls. Sorry for your loss.
After reading all of this -- it's just kind of depressing. I guess McCain will win in November regardless, and the democrats will get what they deserve . . .
They are both good candidates. One will win and one will lose, but if you care at all about health care, the constitution, taxes, environmentalism, justice, or the rule of law, put aside your personal desires and back the winner.
If the democrats can lose this election -- when the economy is in the toilet, we're in an unjustified war without end, and gas costs me 4.27 a gallon with an oilman in the whitehouse, then we should just give up.
caveat, voters in tomorrow’s oregon primary. be properly warned, the great american people.
what’s wrong with the american electorate in this year’s presidential elections?
what are you, oregon voters, you the great american people looking for in your next president? do you simply want a mere GLIB-TONGUED SPEAKER, a SMOOTH-TALKING SPEECHIFIER to be the NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT?
is that HOW CHEAP YOU ARE? you want A MERE TALKER AS YOUR PRESIDENT? but i thought you knew that WORDS ARE CHEAP?
pollsters say that you, oregon voters, favor obama over clinton? why? what has obama done in his 46 years of existence to merit your votes—except to promise you the moon, the stars, the entire constellation, the heaven just so he can get your support?
obama has been a state legislator & a freshman u.s. senator now--& from there he wants—SO SOON--catapulted to the highest position in the (u.s.) land. pray tell me, what ONE, TWO or THREE GREAT THINGS you know obama has done for his country & for you, the great american people in all his years as a public servant, that you should prefer him over the much-experienced hillary rodham clinton?
do you know the outstanding track record of hillary in both the academic & professional spheres, more so as a public servant? do you know that we in the third world countries envy you for having such an excellent WOMAN LEADER like HILLARY—who’ll be, if you give her the mandate, one of the best american presidents ever?
& yet pollsters say you want obama instead? compared, say, to our philippine national hero, dr. jose p. rizal, who is obama? at 35 when he died, shot to death upon orders of the imperialist spaniards in 1896, our rizal was already our national hero, a linguist, surgeon, surveyor, canvas artist, social novelist, multi-awarded poet, political philosopher, a compleat genius.
in contrast, obama, though an ivy-league school-produced lawyer, is just a mere promiser of good tidings, who’s a master at pulling everybody’s legs, & who’s only expertise is a glib-tongued oratorical prowess?
& yet you, oregon voters, you american people would rather fall for this phony man?
phony, because i suppose you have, by now, read, of course, joan vennochi’s highly revealing news feature (titled “the change we can believe in?”—yes, in a question mark!) on the wily obama in the may 11, 2008 edition of the boston globe, have you? the self-declared “change agent” is unmasked as a “phony” crusader, ditching his pastor wright when it was politically convenient to do so; discouraging revotes in michigan & florida since it would help hillary, not him; & dishing out ordinary political carpetbagger’s spoutings; his flap, if double-faced ways, on nafta; his equally double-standard behavior towards lobbyists when he was a state & u.s. senator, & now as prexy wannabe; & other dr. jekkyl-mr. hyde track record on other issues. (other equally revealing accounts about obama have seen the light of print, i just wonder why you, the great american people, choose to still paint obama as lily-white.)
is this the candidate you want, a black fakir of a snake oil salesman, whom mccain would love to spar against this fall, seeing in obama a pushover of an opponent? & you’d ignore, even demonize, the decidedly better-prepared, better qualified nominee like hillary rodham clinton?
better wake up, guys, get hold of your senses, before you regret your decision, before it’s too late.
idiots & fools & blacks prefer obama,need i say more???
A vote for Obama is a vote for four more years of the Bush Administration. His twenty year attendance at a church led by a cooky left wing minister will be "swift - booted" by the GOP until come November, he is unable to win a single swing state. Everyday until the election: Rush, Hannity, and the "right" will hammer away about Obama's association with former members of the Weathermen, flag pins; his wife's comments, and so on. The Republicans are drooling over an Obama nomination. Obama has done something that the Republicans will never be able to do: beat the Clintons. Meanwhile, 50 million Americans will continue to go without health insurance, and our Mussolini - like foreign policy will continue to keep Jefferson turning over and over in his grave.
A vote for Obama is a vote for four more years of the Bush Administration. His twenty year attendance at a church led by a cooky left wing minister will be "swift - booted" by the GOP until come November, he is unable to win a single swing state. Everyday until the election: Rush, Hannity, and the "right" will hammer away about Obama's association with former members of the Weathermen, flag pins; his wife's comments, and so on. The Republicans are drooling over an Obama nomination. Obama has done something that the Republicans will never be able to do: beat the Clintons. Meanwhile, 50 million Americans will continue to go without health insurance, and our Mussolini - like foreign policy will continue to keep Jefferson turning over and over in his grave.
Wow! What a bunch of morons on this site. What experience does Hillary really have? She's a corporate shrill....so was Bill. He let Rwanda happen, she failed at her health care plan, she was a Walmart lawyer...
Then you see just a bunch of ignorant racist comments from both sides....nobody really cares, they are just hung up on the same old bull shit, which means this country will likely suffer again because of one-liners, fear, and just plain nonsense...don't believe me? Read the previous posts, watch the "news", they have already decided they want McCain, and it appears Shillary has as well.
laughed out,
First it was about delegate count... Then delegate count plus Mi & Fl... Next it was about supperdelegates. And now, it's all about the popular vote? You can't just keep moving the goal post.
Hillary Clinton should not be President, because she is
1.) Is not willing to put her life on the line for her country but she'll gladly put someone else's, but her own!
2.)Hillary is repeated Liar exactly like her husband Bill Clinton. In several statements she has ever told public about her political campaigning or whatever she has done. Most recently.. Still under sniper fire Hillary in Bosnia Ha. Yeah right. Hillary go ahead Tell us another lie why don't you just throw another one on the pile to let the american people know how untrustworthy you are!
3.) Is a real life Baby Killer- believe in Murdering the Unborn by allowing wholesale abortions to occur by vowing to keep Roe V Wade from being overturned at any level of the Judiciary and State law.
4.) Pretends to represent everyone. She is a Fraud Ladies and Gentlemen.
Take a look at Hillary's website. Its testimony that She is Biggest American BIGOT toward american men in general. Kid yourself not. If she got elected President she would ensure slavery of every american male by passing unjust legislation toward men. Wonder why she argues so much with Barack Obama it won't stop there if she gets into office.. Don't look for a Clinton Obama Dream ticket it would'nt work.
5.) She would make the US vulnerable to Terrorist attacks you can bank on it!