Clinton stronger in swing states, polls say

Please spare us.
May the last person to leave the room turn out the lights.

Thank you.

Wake up Super Delegates! Use your independant judgement as you are required and don't fall to the crap that you have to vote as per the will of the voters or pledged delegates. If so, you are not Super Delegates but Stupid Delegates as you don't have to use your brain and blindly go with a certain candidate. In that case there is no need to have a category of delegates called "Super Delegates". Don't go for a candidate to make history. Don't go for a candidate being afraid of the black mail of one section of our population. Use your brains! Use your judgement! Fulfill your leadership role! Go for the candidate who has the best chances to win in November and that candidate for certain is HRC.

If Hillary should manage god forbid to snooker the nomination away from Obama who has all but officially won it, there won't be anything close to victory for Clinton nor high poll numbers leading up to the general. Despite these current polls, she's lost the nomination fair and square. Running her campaign on polls as she did has been shown to be a fool's errand.

yeah and if they rob him of the nomination now then the only three states she will win will be the swing states.

Why not have poll numbers for Edwards, Kucinich or other people who've already lost this race?

Polls like this at this time have exactly zero relevance.

Finally someone is listening.
Put simply it goes like this . Winner takes all and clearly the swing states are more important. So whoever gets the swing states wins. It's that simple and it's Obvious to all of us out here that She is winning in those states - Or I guess well we can just cross our fingers - that might work- dah!

Obama is on no "verge of clinching the Democratic nomination.' This is the spin of pro-Obama biased media and the ruthless candidate himself.

The ruthless Obama is presently engaged in an end run around the Democratic nomination process to swipe the nomination from Sen. Clinton, but his ruthless quest is no "verge of clinching the Democratic nomination." He is similar to Kennedy's fatal brain tumor, trying to embed his tentacles in the nomination.

If Obama's raw ambition results in his swiping the nomination, he will crash and burn in November and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck in November.

The Democratic nomination process is still in progress with remaining states to vote their presidential preference and be counted; FL and MI still to be counted; and the superdelegates are to decide on the best qualified and strongest candidate to win the general election using their independent judgment with no regard for any "delegate math." Obama does not have the requisite number of delegates for the nomination; he has no "within reach" lock on the nomination. Ruthless Obama's not playing fair and square by the rules of the game is not "change to believe in;" it's playing dirty Chicago politics; do anything to win; the ends justify the means.

Sen. Clinton is the best qualified and strongest candidate to win the general election and the superdelegates will show wisdom, integrity and courage in selecting her for the Democratic nominee. Sen. Clinton is the Democratic nominee.

The pro-Obama biased media have interfered in, undermined, and subverted the Democratic presidential nomination process. The pro-Obama biased media continue to sabotage Sen. Clinton's campaign with impunity. This media tyranny is our democracy's worse enemy.

Sen. Clinton must continue to fight for the future of America and all Americans. All rational Americans need to support her campaign by making frequent contributions at HillaryClinton.com.

I am 45 years old and have, since becoming old enough to vote, never missed any election. I have also never voted anything other than Democrat. However, in November of this year, if Hillary is not on the ballot, I WILL be voting McCain. Do I like McCain? No, but I like Osama and what the DNC are doing even less. I hope and pray that Hillary does exactly as she says and takes this all to the floor of the DNC. The people of Florida and Michigan have the right to be heard and seated at the DNC and if they aren't then I beg of all Democrats in Florida and Michigan to VOTE MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER IN PROTEST OF THE DNC. A vote for the void that is Obama is no worse than a vote for McCain which would basically 4 years of Bush Lite.

These polls are so irrevelent since there are still two candidates in the Demo race abd the vote are divide between them. I don't care about the unification discussion at this time! Once there is a single candidate the votes will swing and then we will be able to determine what are the realistic numbers.

Clinton supporters who plan to defect to McCain if Obama gets the nomination should really pause to ask what they want for the US.

Clinton's policies and Obama's policies are nearly identical. Both would be willing and able to appoint reasonable, fair-minded jurists to the Supreme Court. Both would be effective at getting their policies enacted by a Democratic congress.

McCain has made it clear that he plans to appoint anti-choice, anti-science, pro-corporate judges, he expects us to stay in Iraq and possibly expand Bush's failed military adventurism in the Middle East, and he has every intention of continuing Bush's failed domestic policies. Is that what you want?

Give me a break.
@Hillary " Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!"

The problem with focusing on just these three states is that other states that McCain will take from Democrats if Clinton is the nominee. She will lose Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Missouri, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada.

Democrats need to focus on expanding the map not Democrats, not focusing on just three states. Clinton's name on the ballot will destroy Democrats chances to grow the party and the governing coalition that is building. Strong Democrats are in power in states such as Kansas, New Mexico and Arizona. What about the poll that shows Obama trailing McCain by about 5 points in his home state of Arizona? WHy don't the Clintonistas talk about this? Because they are afraid of expanding the Democratic Party and focusing on a 50%+1 government that is destructive and not unifying.

Polls are useless. Everytime a poll says that a candidate will win by a certain amount - it never happens that way. Hillary was within 5 points for north carolina, according to the polls, and lost it by more than 15 points. She was suppose to win Indiana by 10 and win it by 2. Polls are garbage!

I'm in Ohio and though I wouldn't dream of voting for McCain, I'm having a difficult time seeing myself vote for BO. I have considered not voting at all but that feels about as bad as voting for a Republican. I am under 40, have a MA and a good job so I don't fit the emerging media stereotype of the Hillbillies for Hillary. I care about universal health care and BO's plan doesn't go far enough, Hillary's does.

Hopefully by November I will be lined up like a good Democrat and will vote for BO.

Why is it so hard for the people who drank the kool-aid to realize Sen. Obama is not ready to be President. Further, it looks more and more like the voters in the states that are necessary for a democrat to win the election are of the same mind. I hope the super-delegates don't give us 4 more years of Bush by nominating Sen Obama.

I am very disappointed the way the media has cover this elections. Senator Clinton should be truly the nominee. If Senator Obama is the nominee I will definitely support Mr. McCain as retaliation to the media. I like Obama too but this country should be fair and balance. The media or anyone else will not decide my vote.

I hope Senator Clinton stays in this race. She is by far the more capable and reliable. We know her. We don't know Obama but maybe he thinks we should roll the dice again? We're not ready for another gamble.

Why don't McClinton just run as a republican, she's got a better shot than McCain.

sounds clever nina. what does it mean?

Huckabee won 31% of the vote in Ohio in the Republican primary.
Ron Paul won 16% of the vote in the Pennsylvania Republican primary. Huckabee won 11%.
Huckabee won 10% of the vote in the West Virginia Republican primary. Paul won 5%.
Huckabee won 8% of the vote in the Kentucky Republican primary. Paul won by 7%.
Why are so many voters in these swing states not voting for McCain despite the fact that he has the nomination locked up? What's wrong with McCain? Is it the white vote?-- Media, take note--sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

Yep,,, Dems are nominating the wrong person. Foolishly following the pied piper to another presidential defeat.

Nominating an elitist, arrogant, novice that hasn't been fully vetted. AND not even for universal health care coverage, so not even a strong democrat. No way will I vote for Obama. I hope Hillary can hang in there and pull it out.

One wonders if the polls take into account the effect on Democratic party support if the Superdelegates coronate Hillary.

All I can suggest is that the sooner the Democratic party institutes either a CONSISTENT 50-state popular vote approach or an approach that echoes the electoral college, the better off the party will be.

It's well past time to lose the superdelegates.

NJ polls may not be different than PA, OH.
I am a lifelong democrat in NJ. If Hillary is not a nominee, then I will vote for McCain. This is even before Rudy has started campaigning for McCain :-). I believe democrats should forget NJ if Obama is a nominee.
AND yes, I do not want Hillary as VP. When you are qualified to be on TOP why would you accept consolation prize? NO WAY.

It is either Hillary or McCain (only if Obama is a nominee) for president in 2008
If Hillary is not a nominee in 2008, then definitely 2012 for Hillary
(I hope, by that time liberals will come to senses)

Good. The last thing America needs is an inexperienced ethnocentric black politician with one of the most liberal congressional voting histories in congress.

There's a problem when Republican leadership has completely trampled on Ohio's economy and yet Obama is still trailing. Call it racism, pragmatism or the Limbaugh effect, only one democratic candidate can win. Too bad her campaign has been written off by the media already. It's just reality and everyone can wish or hope that we'll acheive some utopia that Obama preaches. It's just not going to happen. After an active interest in the primary, I've already started to brace myself for another four years of a Republican president.

I hope the Superdelegates have taken the blind off of their eyes and the plugs off of their ears and reading this article. How long can they pretend that this is not the truth??

Wake up SDs. Don't be bullied so much so that you are going to hurt the public!!

Did I miss something? how many people were polled?

This is exactly why I'm glad Clinton is still hanging in there. Obama will prove to be the next Kerry.

Oh what about CNN's John King's Majik Map? Please do give us the poll #'s that reassure us that Obama will give McCain a mighty thumpin' in Georgia, Colorado, Virginia, New Mexico, and Iowa.

Do they exist, and will he?

If Obama wins the Democratic Nomination,then I will not vote in The General Election..I am a Democrat by choice.I don't beleive in the process of Delegates & Super Delegates determining who gets the Nomination.This is not a Vote Determined By The People! I don't beleive in The Electoral College either.This Country is supposed to be a Democracy.I doubt that very much.

It's not a surprise. A year ago he Dems had the White House wrapped up. Not anymore. And where did the Dem's dagger come from? Et tu Brute. It came from within.

Will you stop publishing articles like this! Do you hate the democratic party?

This is the big reason why we should nominate Hillary.

A vote for Hillary Clinton means never having to say you're sorry to the citizens of the United States of America and the people of the world.

So far, the 1,959 delegate count votes that Barack Hussein Obama has will be constrantly having to say "I'm sorry for being led astray by his speeches and I'm sorry that I did not investigate him properly before I cast my vote" if he (God forbid) wins the nomination.

Will you stop publishing articles like this! Do you hate the democratic party?

...and the plot thickens!

This isn't news. Clinton has been telling people she is stronger in battle ground states for months now. I hope the super delegates take a hard look at these polls and vote for who can win the general election.

GO HILLARY...the U.S. needs the strongest person with...not one who gives just flowery speeches!!! The Democrats NEED to win. Please keep up the fight!
Elva

In November, Hillary Clinton will have been proven correct. She will be able to look over at Obama in the Senate and smile knowing that she gave it 110%.

The far left in the party will seek out another lefty in 2012 who can't win an election.

As for me, I no longer watch MSNBC or CNN. I am someone who has voted straight Democratic since '68 but not in 2008.

The Democratic party continues to run to the left and leave moderates out in the cold.

Clinton has broad appeal that media, in its swoon over Obama, has neglected. It is not surprising that voters hold a different opinion.

Nina,

Your condescension and arrogance clearly signals your candidate of choice, -the one with condescension and arrogance running throughout his campaign.

Wonder who...

Honestly, if you ask me, I'd ask, it makes more sense to have HRC as nominee, and Obama as running mate. HRC appeals to Dem core groups, and holds leads in the major battleground of swing states that Dem must win; while BHO offers the additional benefits of bringing in a few nice-to-haves of college kids. I won't worry about those affluent elite whites who have gone for BHO, since they would not go for McCain anyways, but the key-to-win groups of working-class-whites, hispanic, and women voters are the swing voters that BHO is definitely going to lose, should he become nominee.

Hey Obama! Hit the lights would ya!

I am sure that all of the supporters of Mrs. Clinton will go to Mcain. And even thought they are Democrats, they will go with an individual who has promised 4 more years of the Bush policies that have gotten us to where we are now. Please I am sure that there are other Universities, think tanks, or reports that will contract this finding. Numbers can work to your advantage, you just need to start with data that will give you the result you want. I would love to see the data that they used to come up with this finding.

My guess is that 26 to 36 percent of Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain in the general if Obama was the nominee (in the words of Kanye West at a Katrina fundraiser in reference to George Bush) "just don't like Black people."

Because on every issue that is central to the concerns of voters in each of these states, Obama is the clear choice for President.

Ask yourself this question, at what moments in your lifetime have you been proud of this country? What was the moment that seemed to capture the essence of everything you believed was possible when people came together in one accord?

I was born in 1980, and most of the good movements took place either before I was born or before I was socially aware of the TRUE power of the people. However recently, I note the efforts of firemen and volunteers after the events of 9/11 and the efforts of volunteers after Hurricane Katrina. It's amazing how we come together as a nation after such catastrophic events. Thus, it brings me no suprise that another moment that make us proud is about to take place after another such catastrophe.....the efforts of the people after the presidential terms of George W. Bush to elect Barack Obama for President of the USA.

If you print those poll numbers by party affiliation you might get a more accurate picture of who is "stronger" in swing states: remember, there is no Democrat nominee so people's final decisions are difficult to gauge; however, my understanding of the votes from "swing states" is that while Clinton got majorities of Registered Democrats, Obama still won significantly more Independent and self-identified "swing voters." Is the strength of a nominee in swing states based on their party base, or is it based on the independent and swing voters? Conventional wisdom says the latter.

Good article. I am one of the white, well educated, good income voters that Obama does well with. However I also have common sense to see what an Obama administration would look like -- an Obamanation. Perhaps Snoop Dog will be the Secretary of State. Johnny Cochran, if he were alive, would be attorney general. Puff Daddy in charge of homeland security and TI in charge of the FBI. And the new, hip-hop version of the Star Spangled Banner. The supporters of Obamanation are fools. I'll be the one with common sense enough to defect to McCain.

Polls don't mean nothing this far from the G.E....matter of fact anyone can tell you that 99.5 % of the people who read this article will say:

This Is B.S.!!!

(with a margin of error of 0.0%)

some lowly opinions should be kept to lowly self's>>>>>>>>>NO RACE is over till it's over,not half way on the ''RUN'', unless it's done by a quiver of the outcome>>>>>>>

Good to see racism is still alive in the U.S....even among people who can type. Hillary's Troglodytes need to go back to 1850.

Obama represents the future. Clinton, McSame represents the past. It's time to move on. Leave the troglodytes behind.

The Clinton's have a strong political machine for PR. Hillary was leading everywhere till the real "Super Tuesday" came and we all saw the reality. I really believe Hillary win in Ohio is not genuine that was when Rush Limbaugh started or initiated "vote for Clinton" to cause political confusion in Democratic primary. The same thing happened in Pennsylvania when all of a sudden over 300,000 Republicans changed and registered as Democrats so as Indiana all in the name of Rush Limbaugh tactics. Yes Clinton won in West Virginia but I believe Obama did not want to do any hard campaign to add salt to the wound because Hillary was "Bitter" haven't lost North Carolina. Obama changed strategy not to compete too hard against Hillary in order not to make Hillary more "Bitter". Everyone have seen and is reality anywhere Obama compete with Hillary, She was not able to win more than 9% point incase she does win. We can all see through Hillary race comments:"I don't think the white people will vote for Obama". Come on, go ahead and say what you are trying to say. All that Hillary want to tell the so call blue/white works is that "don't vote for Obama". If people are not saying it publicly don't think they don't know how you are trying to phsyic people. Hillary behavior during these primary might hunt her for a long long time believe it. People may forgive but not forget.

I live in Denver Calorado .. Absolutely no one knew what to do the day of the caucus. It was not in the newspaper nor on the TV. I finally found out and dragged my 8 year old, on a school night . It lasted for hours, by the time we finally voted it was 9pm !!! Alot of people left before voting, it was absolutely absurd! I did cast my vote for Hillary because she is the best candidate to run against McCain. Anybody with AN HONEST BRAIN knows Obama does not have the experience to have the top job in the world .He preaches well. Although I am a die hard democrat, Obama frightens me. I will not vote for him in the general. He should have waited to run , he would have been incredible. Now, i'm angry and lost. I KNOW MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY I DO. I am child of the sixtys raised in Berkeley, Ca. By the way ,sexism trumps racism.

I'm for you, Hillary. Let's throw out the primary and caucus results from the past 40-plus states. For that matter let's junk the delegate totals. Let's just give the nomination to you, Hillary. No need for a stupid rules. Let's change them as we go to make you look like you're winning. Nevermind anything you candidates agreed to. No need.

Hillary, how can I help you further tear up the Democratic Party and snatch defeat from the jaws of a Dem victory in November? I am following your marching orders: "If your name is not on the ballot I will not vote for Obama. I will vote for McCain." HOW'S THAT?

In a new general election matchup poll in Virginia (May 16-18, 600 RV, MoE +/- 4.1%), SurveyUSA finds Obama leading McCain by 7 points. In the February 12 primary, Obama defeated Clinton by 28 points. Virginia has voted for a Republican in the last 10 presidential elections.

Obama 49
McCain 42
Und 9

Lets face it Dems, Obama just cannot win in the election. This is not to say Hillary will but at least stand a better chance, statistics dont lie. Obama and his team can create more spin to fool the Dems that he can beat McCain, its a fallacy they want all to believe esp those so called super naive Obama leaning super delegates. It only shows that the Dems party are filled with a bunch of nerds. They deserve to lose the WH if they choose a rookie as a nominee. No pity for them.

Posted by Bill May 22, 08 11:40 AM:

(ahem) Only fools believe that all black people are hip-hoppers. I hope your statement about Puff Daddy in the white house was satire, because if you truly meant what you said, it is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Sorry. It had to be said.

Comments from the Hillary supporters here make clear to me why we have superdelegates and an electoral college - too many of America's voters can't be trusted to make informed, unbiased, rational decisions.

Support who you want, but do it because that candidate best represents your views and beliefs and not out of "retaliation" (Leo, 16). To do otherwise is infantile.

@ Grand Wizard Bill (47):

I'd rather be a fool than a racist. Voting for McCain proves that you are both.

I will not vote for Obama, if Hillary isn't the nomination for President, I won't vote for McCain either, I will most likely WRITE in the vote. It's too bad that Donald DUCK couldn't run for President! I beleive that Florida and MICH are her states and she earn the votes there, I don't believe they need to be divided up, and I don't believe that they should RE vote either. Once again it's 2000 so maybe we should all cast our votes to AL Gore? I think all these smoke and mirrors need to stop.

Any "Democrat" that would consider voting for McCain must than want:

1) A continuation of George Bush's disasterous Iraq pilicy
2) A new war and invasion of Iran
3) A supreme court packed with Alito types that will overturn Rowe v Wade
4) No meaningful reform of our healthcare system

People are always preparing to fight the last war.
Democrats can win without Pennsylvania, Ohio, AND Florida, if they sweep states like Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico, New Hampshire and New Jersey, and a swing state or two around the edges like Colorado or Missouri. If they take most of these, then they can lose one or two of the big traditional swing states and still win. All around the country, Obama does better than Clinton. Just as in the primaries, lots of small states add up.
IF Clinton decides to be a good democrat and help him out a little in the rust belt, he will win by a landslide. If she keeps beating the "white people don't like him" drum, hoping to sabotage him and run in 2012, democrats will see through that and her stature will be forever diminished.

when will we democrats stop being so idealistic and nominate someone who can actually win the election. Obama is just what the GOP has prayed for, a young, untested, ultra left, minority candidate. It reminds me of Yasser Arafat who would never take a piece of the pie, he wanted it all, something he couldn't have,
so he got nothing. As the VP in almost anyone else's ticket, we could hardly loose. As it is, with Obama, we are going to look like jerks after the voting. This country is not ready for a shift in attitude as profound as it would take to elect a perfectly good man like Obama with his backgrouond. It 's unfortunate but true.

This information might be meaningful if it was still 2004. As it is, it's no more than slightly interesting for several reasons:

First, in in 2004 these were the only major swing states, with Nev, NM, Iowa, Wis., NH, and WV also in play. This year all of the above plus Colorado, Montana, both Dakotas, Alaska, Virginia, both Carolinas are in play. Look at who polls better in all those states put together, and you'll probably see it's Obama, not HRC, who's in a better overall position to capture the most electoral votes in the fall.

Second, when Obama gets the party behind him after clinching the nomination, he'll get a surge in the polls---one which McCain has already benefited from, and this will make him the favorite in Ohio and even in Florida.

Third, barring a surprise capture of Bin Laden, surprise and total surrender of all the Taliban or enemies in Iraq, gas prices dropping by a couple of bucks a gallon, and bundle of gifts from Bush to the middle class, this is the Democrats' year and nothing's gonna stop it.

Fourth, were HRC to somehow get the nomination, her popularity would instantly plummet, rendering her current polling figures especialy irrelevant Why? Because everyone will know Obama got jobbed, not just black voters by the way, but everyone, even HRC supporters, deep down in their hearts will know she only won through backroom intimidation and bogus rewriting of the rules.

Yes, we know she can win a few states. But Obama wins more of them. It seems Hillary has gone from the Dems' typical 15-state strategy to a three-state strategy. Amusing, yet senseless. She couldn't even run a decent primary campaign. McCain would crush her.

PS--I am not a racist, but I don't think black people are genetically qualified to be President.

Bill, you are not only insulting but a complete idiot. That rhetoric you just typed is very steroetypical and hypocritical. Anyone who is a democrat and does not vote for the democratic nominee over their emotions deserves everything he or she gets. I have a nice income and the economy has not effected me much and I'm sure four more years of Bush won't effect me anymore than it has today but I can't say the same for many people who feel as if voting against Obama is a vote for Hillary. I think it's the most ignorant thing I care to read. At this point, I could care less what happens to a lot of people. If guys were dumb enough to vote for Bush and I'm sure you will be dumb enough to vote for a candidate based on emotions rather than logic. Then again, what are the demographics of each of the candidates voters? If Bill is any indication, may the rent be paid up in your trailer because you're in for a long ride, buddy.

I am DELIGHTED to read this. AT LAST, some real reporting on what's going on out there! Hillary supporters unite! We are turning down Barack Obama - he is NOT our candidate. McCain is not the next Bush - Obama is. Don't you folks rememer the wave of wild enthusiasm that swept the 'uniter not a divider' into office 8 years ago?

Of course not. You're too young. You were 12 then. Well, WE remember, and let me tell you, the last ride on the unity party sucked. It went from 'united not divided' to 'if you're not with us, you're against us (you traitor!)"

Doesn't this sound familiar? Oh yeah, it's the Obamatroll tactic du jour.

If we can't have Hillary, we'll take McCain.

We're not racists, sweeties. We're smart. We would love to see black man win the presidency.

NOT THIS ONE.

Thank you Boston for printing some REAL JOURNALISM for a bloody change.

Go, Hillary! You can do it!

ENOUGH WITH THE BLOODY POLLS!!!

You are the same chaps who told us Clinton was inevitable.

Obama has proved their are many paths to the prize .

yeh you know it all! Stupid

Remember Dukakis being up by 17 points nationally? Polls at this point are useless. If Hillary's negatives are somehow not over 50 percent, they would be by the end of the campaign. The Democrats need new blood and new voters. Obama will provide that. Anytime the Dems get into an old vs. new campaign (Kennedy vs. Nixon, Clinton vs. Bush), they win. In an old politics vs. old politics (Kerry vs. Bush, etc.) they lose.

YAWWWWN

This may be fine fodder for the delusional but the reality is that all those HRC supporters will flip off their temporary McCain hate train (which is all this polling really represents) when they get over their withdrawal and realize the Supreme and other Federal Court nominees they'll get with this spiteful response.

The entire election comes down to Democratic unity. John McCain never rises above the mid-40's in any poll even though he is well known compared to the relative unknown with the foreign-sounding name. It is difficult to find any purely pro-McCain comments anywhere. Everything is pro and anti Clinton or Obama. If an economically struggling state like Mich. (or Ohio, for that matter) votes for four more years of the same simply to "keep Obama down," You'll get what you ask for.

I am a Vietnam vet,and if HILLARY does not get the nomination, I am going wih McCain. I owe it to him. But I owe women more, that why I want Hillary, if you want real change, vote for Hillary a woman. If you think that a woman and a man think the same, you do not know woman, father of 7 daughters

MY SELF, MY FAMILY AND ALL OF OUR FRIENDS WATCH CNN NEWS ALL THE TIME TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY. IN OUR OPINION THERE IS NO SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT CLINTON AND OBAMA. OBAMA IS A GOOD TALKER BUT COUNTRY DOES NOT RUN ON TALKING. OBAMA TALKS ABOUT RULES WITH REGARDS TO THE LOWER 48 STATES, BUT IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND TALK ABOUT OUR COUNTRY THEN YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE STATE AND EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE COUNTRY. IF YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT THEN THAT MEANS YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR YOURSELF NOT FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY. IF YOUR ARE LOOKING FOR THE A GOOD AND STRONG PRESIDENT LOOK NO FURTHER THAN HILLARY CLINTON.

Folks, listen up. I'm from Ohio and I can assure you that if Hillary Clinton is NOT the nominee, Ohio will light up BIG AND RED come November. Don't forget that a lot of Southern Ohio people have grass roots in Kentucky and/or West Virginia. I've been saying this all along but I'll say it again. It's not a racial issue or even a gender issue, it's a religious issue. We believe in our country, we believe in the Bible, we believe in Israel and the Jews because Jesus was a Jew, we've always been proud of our country and we are very bitter over all the insults from the Obama camp. We'll be showing that bitterness come November.

By the way... for a previous blogger. Obama can not win a general election if he loses Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Texas ((Texas will glow red and Tennessee too (you know the low class people in Tennessee)).

This is simple folks. Hillary is the only one that can beat McCain. No one in the country will vote for Obama over McCain, who has a huge experience lead over Obama. They might be willing to vote for a woman who has more experience than Obama and has been in the White House.

So this is what will happen.

Obama gets nominated and runs against McCain.
Hillary supporters and every non-black woman in the country swing to McCain.
McCain wins every single state by the largest margin in history.
After 4 years of driving this country into the ground, Hillary runs again.

The misogynist media bash on Hillary again and Obama runs again.
Obama does the same thing and gets nominated.

He runs against McCain and McCain beats him by a lesser margin.

Simple and predictable.

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. This poll confirms what common sense tells me: Clinton has a better chance of winning swing states. As a democrat who cares only about winning in Novemeber (I care about nothing else), I feel the super-delegates must do the responsible thing and cast their support for the candidate with the best chance to win FL, PA, and OH. They can't take any chances. This is why it must be Senator Clinton. There's too much at stake.

It is amazing the racism that is still in this country. Nothing has changed.
White people are so outraged that they are going to be faced with having a black man as their president! You should have all known that this day would come; and just like he knocked HRC out of the race he will do the same with McCain. (you just sit back watch, because it is TIME for change in America).

You people cling to every excuse you can find to hate Obama. Always pointing out people around him that have done or said wrong things, when Hillary has lied right out of her own mouth!
He has clearly shown that he is a much more stable candidate than any of them.

No wonder his supporters are all upper class whites with college degrees. They are the only ones with the common since to see the reality. The uneducated ones are still poisoned by racism which is why they are low income.

No Clinton, NO vote - sorry

Obama has snookered the nomination through these awful caucuses and media buyout. If you dont believe this then check the simple facts. HOw about the Nebraska caucus that turned out 38,000 voters (activists) who voted 68% for Obama in Feb, but when tehy did a primary in Nebraska a few weeks ago over 90,000 people came out and it was a 50/50 split between Obama/Clinton. Why is this type of info not covered in the media? Is this not an issue? The fact that most of Obamas support comes from Caucus votes that are tailored for young activists and leave out older voters or those that dont want to scream and yell? The fact that caucus delegates are not given by any type of resonable measure, but a hand vote? Does it not bother you, obama heads that your guy is showing that he is losing support amongst voters? Doesnt it bother you that even though the votes are actually quite close (less than a million spread) and there are more votes to go and your saying all sorts of horrible things about Clinton trying to push her out? Obama folks call themselves ""true democrats"" - whats so democratic about that? Doesnt it bother Obama fans that everything they admire about Obama came from his own auto- biography? Dont you find it rather suspicious that everyone is parroting what Obama told them about himself - not facts? Has anyone even checked up on teh info in his book to see if he has fudged it - before fans propogate misinformation? There was a good article in teh LA times about fact finding and Obamas book. Although, of course no other media picked up on the truth.

Hillary supporters - don't vote for McCain - write her in on the ballot, if by the time November comes, Obama still hasn't won you over. I'm going to give him a chance, but he's going to have to earn my vote. Otherwise, I'm writing in Hillary. I think she is so clearly the best candidate running - it has nothing to do with race, gender or age.

Obama supporters, the msm and the DNC just don't seem to get it because they have so thoroughly bought into their own biased, self serving and completely corrupt demonization of Senator Clinton. Hillary is extremely well liked by a sizable and important chunk of the Democratic base and her supporters are loyal and angry. She and Obama are NOT interchangeable. There is a world of difference between them in terms of experience, energy, commitment and ability.

This millennium began with Republicans got the chance to pick their frat boy: Bush over an able and foresighted man Gore. We are the “beneficiaries” of Bush’s change (remember please) - Value of $$ down, gasoline up.

Now Democrats seem poise to take the White House from the frat boy instead they are replacing one frat boy to another frat boy! I suppose stupidity knows no boundaries, both republicans and democrats have them. One wonders how this country tank,

We have a chance to put an articulate, intelligent, and might I say foresighted person. Do not blow it away. This mantra of Anyone But Clinton is nonsense.

She is perhaps the only one who has the audacity to think that the rules of DNC are problematic. She is smart enough to play the rules and fully prepared to challenge them when needed. That’s my leader always prepared to do battle. I don’t want a leader that just talk, sulk, and let others do the dirty work. I don’t like a leader to tell me rules are rules sweetie. Now seat down1 If we think and act rules are rules, there will be no end of the Vietnam War, ERA, Abortion Rights, AA and a long list of constitutional amendments. Get Real!

Democrats have a chance to put a mature person in the White House, don’t blow it away with another frat boy. PLEASE!

If you call yourself a Democrat and yet vote for McCain in the general, please please please just give up your party registration and go over to the dark side (I mean Republicans) so we can know who's side you're really on come next election.

How anyone can say that Obama will NOT represent the interests of the party completely confounds me. Is he perfect? No. Is Hillary? C'mon! Here's the guarantee, put the Republicans back in the White House and you've got 4 more years of the neo-conservative agenda being shoved down our throats -- even though a majority of Americans clearly do not want that. I've said from the beginning of this process, I'll gladly vote for either of them. It's the only logical stance.

Omg look at all the Clinton supporters crying. WAAAH! My candidate didnt win I wont vote. WAAAAH! My candidate didnt win and I'm voting for McCain. WAAAH! My candidate didnt win and the other guys name is easy to make fun of. WAAAH! My candidate didnt win because shes female!

Babies arent old enough to participate in elections. Stop crying like babies.

Racisism has no place in politics. You wanna vote McCain because the other guys dad was Muslim? GOOD! GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR PARTY! VOTE FOR HIM AND TELL ALL YOUR KKK FRIENDS TO DO THE SAME! MAYBE YOU CAN BRING A TREE TO THE POLLING PLACES AND BURN SOME CROSSES WHILE YOER AT IT!

So your candidate didnt win because shes female? I guess only women voted for Clinton, right? I think your crying is more sexist than Clintons loss.

I am starting to believe its true. Clinton's voter base is primarily uneducated, elderly, racist, stupid America.

/turns off the "Dueling Banjos" soundtrack and gets back to work.

How come Clintons are spoilers for the Democrats to win the Presidency? Bill and Hillary may be selfish like any other Americans but not disloyal and rebellion? If they are aimed to fight till end for the lost nomination, other Democrats have to stand-up and stop them now before they damage the chance of getting back the White House, Senate and Congress from the brianless, heartless and meaningless Republicans.

Hey Chanucy,
McCain is not Bush and he has a voting record to prove it. Obamas tract of "another 4 years of Bush" in dealinbg with McCain just shows his naivity and your parroting the misinformation just shows youve been too busy swooning over Obama to look at any of the political facts. McCain is the most liberal of republicans, which is why alot of far-right republicans dont like him. He has the capacity to attract all sorts of voters, not just republicans. ALthough you will blame HIllary supporters for supporting him, you fail to see that many people across the board support him, for a reason. His experience, commitment and patriotism. He will ride his Straight Talk Express up one side of Obama and down the other. Remember, McCain got the nomination without big money and without big speeches, he is a man of the people.

WAKE UP, SUPER DELEGATES !!!! It will be the BIGGEST mistake of your lifetime if you choose Barrack to be the nominee. I can see the Republicans salivating over the notion that BO will soon be the Dem's nominee. Like 39% of Clinton supporters, I'll be voting for McCain comes November. It may seem so hard to find to see McCain win here in California but it's not impossible. Our popular governor will work his heart out to see that happen but if he's running against HRC, his effort will be useless as his wife Maria have witnessed it first hand last February.

Do not worry of the Poll, they are all media gimmicks to fool the people and raise their dollar values. Hillary cannot win the elction, because she has big eyes and Bill has big nose. Both are not good for the general public who have been tired by these old time politics. As far as John McCain, the medically handicaped and mirror image of Bush except Bush can walk and run but McCaine cannot even pick-up his phone right. His brain is out dated and has donkey like tamper cannot do any good to any Americans.
Obama has full energy, wisdom, skill, tolerance, agendas and above all LUCK to be a first black, kinder-gentle and real American PRESIDENT.
Do not buy what Republicans and Hillary goons are selling. They cannot sell anything but misery, sufferings, killings and poverty.

Fred C. Dobbs, you have chosen an appropriate name, because your ideas sound about as misguided as the character of the same name in the Treasure of the Sierra Madre

In order to solve the complex domestic and international problems we are now facing, we need a president who can set goals and lead us to achieve those goals. Hillary Clinton is that person. Let's stop political bickering and work in unisom to win the election next November. The worst alternative is to allow the Bush policy to continue for another four years. Not acting consciiously now may result in deaft by default. Let's us support Hillary Clinton to fight for us. Above all, we need a universal healthcare. For more than fifteen years, Hillary has been fighting for this important social benefit, as a matter of right and not a previlege.

In order to solve the complex domestic and international problems we are now facing, we need a president who can set goals and lead us to achieve those goals. Hillary Clinton is that person. Let's stop political bickering and work in unisom to win the election next November. The worst alternative is to allow the Bush policy to continue for another four years. Not acting consciiously now may result in deaft by default. Let's us support Hillary Clinton to fight for us. Above all, we need a universal healthcare. For more than fifteen years, Hillary has been fighting for this important social benefit, as a matter of right and not a previlege.

I know if Clinton steals the nomination away I will sit home on election day. That is a guarantee. Even if she is VP, I will vote for Obama holding my nose. She will be toxic to his campaign. She is toxic to the process.

GO HILLARY!!!!!! WAKE UP D.N.C.!!!

Re. 77 - Frank:
That's nice Frank - very pragmatic. However - if "winning is everything" and Obama is winning what does that make Hillary?

As far as polls go, I and many others here can show you yet another set of polls (polls at this point are like the weather in Chicago anyway) that put Obama ahead of McCain further than HRC - especially when you consider that this is primarily only a temporary spike in her spite vote. Meanwhile, as Obama's campaign spends more time in each region, the numbers continue to go up versus the entrenched Clinton machines. See Florida in a couple weeks and see the inevitable bounce when Clinton realizes, with you, that "too much is at stake", and accepts the inevitable.

As far as recent momentum - I have spoken with and heard from many HRC supporters who saw the wind go out of the sails and the signs of a much stronger candidate than they expected when Obama won big in NC and almost closed the gap (a huge surprise for them) to less than 2pts in IN. All this during perhaps one of the worst campaign months a candidate could possibly have in history.

So - I agree - if winning is the only thing, let's simply go...with the proven winner. The only time that hasn't worked is when we get these "you don't deserve to win" tactics perpetuated by typical Democrat infighting which turns all the swing voters - and states - off.

Let it go people. We already have our winner - let's make it even stronger by supporting him and moving forward. There's too much at stake.

Eat this HRC supporters:

Obama vs. McCain in VIRGINIA! A RED STATE!

McCain (R) 42 (52)
Obama (D) 49 (44)
5-18-2008 (4-11-2008)

Hillary will lie through her fake teeth just as she's constantly done. She did NOTHING with healthcare when it was her baby. She did NOTHING for the unemployment in New York. WHAT HAS SHE DONE? If someone can show me raw data showing what Hillary has ever done except cry victim, I will really be impressed. She cried over Monica L. and is still crying. I am a woman and I would love to see woman progress but to me, Hillary is a sorry excuse for a woman. I don't admire her at all. She shows me the characteristics of a WOMAN that I would rather not see. She is like the girl who runs out and gets pregnant to trap a man and calls it winning. As far as the racists on here who would rather drown than vote for Obama. . . .slit your wrists--it's faster. Anyone who takes offense to what I just wrote, obviously the shoe fits so wear it and yes, I am referring to you. The only positive thing that I can see out of all this is, in about 25-30 years, I will be coming into my prime and the bitter women whose husbands kept them chained to a stove, bare-foot and pregnant while pouring coffee would have been long gone along with the card carrying members of the Jim Crow club. Women my age have not experienced the bitter pill these older women have and GOD FORBID if I was a BLACK WOMAN!!!! Gaaaaaassssssp~! And for the psoter who wrote Obama would be another BUSH--you should have your Democratic card revoked--you don't even kow the difference between a democrat or republican. If you think John McCain will give you a better term than Obama, tell Rush I love his show; he is too funny.

I already contributed to sue CNN and MSNBC, some of the people there will be charge with gender discrimination and sexism which is against the law. The Democratic party will lose California in November without the Latino vote. We need a poll that shows how will the electoral vote is in favor of Mrs. Clinton. In the general election.

It's funny because of this, Alice Newton:

Obama leads Clinton with hispanics 51% to 44%. There is no argument for her here.

Try again.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107407/Obama-Surge-Fairly-BroadBased.aspx

The only group she is still ahead in is women 50+. Big whoop.

Obama doesn't win in "more states" as was stated above. Obama has a more successful strategy for small state CAUCUSES (which involve a fair amt of peer pressure), and that is what put him over the top. But general elections are not held through caucuses, so there goes that advantage out the window. Obama hasn't won a single BIG STATE or SWING STATE. Not one. Clinton won them all.

KNEWS IT!!! Obama needs her, she can be his watch dog

In November of this year, if Hillary is not on the ballot, I WILL be voting for McCain. I do not like Obama and what the DNC are doing. I hope and pray that Hillary does exactly as she says and takes this all the way to the floor of the DNC. The people of Florida and Michigan have the right to be heard and seated at the DNC.

I cannot as a Hillary Loyalist ever vote for Obama. I have faith in my girl but I want to send a message to the Democrats and the Super Delegates. Here is my letter and I am encouraging Hillary Loyalists to do the same and tell John McCain why you will vote for him.

Dear Senator McCain,
I want to begin by telling you that I am a registered Democrat that has campaigned hard for Hillary Clinton. I consider myself a loyalist to her as a woman fighting for womens rights. I am totally against the positions and associations that Obama has had his entire life and I cannot accept that it would be in our country's best interest to have that man become our commander in chief. Therefore I am making a strong firm commitment to do everything I possibly can to help get you elected to the office of Presidency. I know there are a lot of issues we may not agree on 100% but you are much more qualified than Obama. Please keep in mind should by a miracle Hillary get the nomination I as a woman will have to support her. I will not vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket. I cannot in good faith accept this man who has such deep communist and corruption in his associations that I will never vote for him. I want to tell you that tears are running down my face as I write this. I have never felt so emotional or connected to a political choice as I have Hillary Clinton. I live in Stark County Ohio and I understand the importance of this county in selecting a win or loss for our entire state. We are your swing county. I need a yard sign to place by my Hillary sign. Please let me know where I may get one. Thank you,
Valrie Sommerville

Clinton supporters continue to be manipulated by Clinton herself, who needs to keep the donors alive to pay her debts. She has lied to supporters, endorsed the rules she now wants to change and will string contributors along as long as they fall in line with her fuzzy math and tall tales of being discriminated against. I feel very sorry for these poor suckers.

Question..the numbers somehow let Obama get ahead, but truth be told...who do you want facing McCain....someone who won all the big states, all but one of the swing states, (Colo and Iowa were caucuses so they don't count as it's not the population vote) who can carry Reagan democrats, can carry the white blue collar worker...that would be Senator Hillary Clinton............or .....do you want someone brand new, who gives good speeches, has no experience whatsoever except being a good organizer and a good person for registering new voters , but he can carry the african american vote as Hillary would have , except Obama has a trump card he is black. ...Do we want to play favorites amongst Hillary or Barack...or do we want someone who can actually beat McCain......now you use your logic and tell me who that would be, because it is pretty obvious to me that it is Sen Clinton

I will never vote for Obama. I am sorry I voted for Kerry in '04 and sent money to Dodd. They have no regard for women.

For Chancey re: WHAT HAS SHE DONE?

These are later accomplishments. Her long list of earlier accomplishments can be googled.

* Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
* As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.
* She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.
* She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
* She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.
* Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.
* She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.
* She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.
* She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.
* She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.
* She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.
* She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.
* She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.
* Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.
* She has also proposed expanding access to child care.
* She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.
* Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.
* She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.
* She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Wake Up DNC - Get rid of Howard Dean. Obama will lose if nominated. With what Bush has done and the national debt spiraling, many have swallowed the fact that mid-aged and non-baby- boomers' retirements and quality of life as senior citizens is very likely to be unstable no matter who wins in November, and we would have nothing more to lose if McCain wins- another 4 years won't really matter. Trying to kick out Hillary through DNC politics and the media, is like announcing the Presidential winner before the West Coast even gets off work to get to the polls. Keep up the fight Hillary!!!

When you read the comments of Obama supporters, you begin to realize that they should be called Obamorons. He'll lose to McCain, and you'll still blame HRC.
This whole process has been a disaster knowing she carried the base of Democratic voters, and he took the converted Repubs and Independents, who will vote Republican in the General Election

Go Hillary! The media has managed to create a rock star out of Obama, who is the least qualified candidate to run. There is no way core Democrats will get behind him! If he had credentials like Colin Powell, that would be another story...McCain will win if Hillary is not the nominee!

Obama 2008

HRC's campaign is DEAD.

To Eric (#83): Your argument that anyone but Bush in WH is good, and that McCain=Bush, so Obama must be good, doesn't have legs. My problem with it is that, while I might not like a GOP in WH, the no-nonsense, moderate McCain appeals to me. I strongly disagree that the desire to put a Dem, ANY Dem, supersedes a SENSIBLE choice. And Obama is NOT a sensible choice to me.

Granted that McCain and GOP at large has little economy policy other than tax cut, little security policy other than let's-keep-going (with the wars), but Obama's version of sit-down-and-have-a-chat with totalitarian regimes, and policy?-what-policy!? in economics, don't appeal to me either.

I have much more confidence in HRC handling the economy. I'm comfortable to have her committing to end the war. (Hey, Bush had a full majority of this country supporting him in polls to go to Iraq, afterall.) Her level of knowledge, and full grasp of details, completely blows away Obama. In every single Dem debates, HRC beats BHO hands-down. I don't attend stadium-size rallies, cuz I don't believe I can get to know a candidate and his/her ability. The evasiveness of BHO in providing details (due to his lack of knowledge for answers) time and again reinforces the lack of details of BHO every single time. I simply can't believe how those Obama supporters could have come to worship him, simply quoting him from his own book.

By the way, does anyone check all facts in BHO's book at all?

i am one of the legions of clinton suporters who will vote for mccain if obama is the nominee. why?

-because i want a president who has a trackrecord of working on issues important to americans;
-because the presidency is not an entry-level position. experience required.
-because i don't trust obama's words of change if he hasn't a history with which to measure his actions as president.

I hear many valid points on both sides, and most of these contributors on these pages can even spell far better than I. But one thing I notice there being here is a bit of a double standard regarding is that the Caucasian people in that West Virginia and Kentucky are quite easily referred to as racists, while none of the huge block of African Americans in the Carolina's are ever suggested to be such.

This is relevant particularly in light of both the Clinton's long history of working for that group - and some of their remarks taken out of context by the media early on to brand them as racists. I think there have got to be some complicated and understandable emotions of both pride and guilt going into the mix on many sides. Yet is seems acceptable to be more critical of women across the board this season and to see them proudly in support of a competent female candidate with a firm grasp on the issues as somehow immature. And shouldn't we be a little wary of marginalizing the senior citizens in such a cavalier fashion? Yes, I've been to college too, and I certainly get exasperated when I try for the umpteenth time to explain to my mother (a lifelong Democrat and Kennedy-FREAK) just exactly why Fox News is bad to get your information from. But she remembers 1968, which I believe is the WRONG analogy, and also 1972, which I fear may be closer to the true path we are treading. Yes, the influx of new excited young voters is exciting, and has party leaders giddy with anticipation of veto-proof majorities in both houses. But we should be careful of our discourse becoming disrespectful of the Democratic base that was there long before this season's new class suddenly discovered it.

Historically, there had always been more registered Democrats than Republicans in the past, and they have voted sincerely across party lines for generations before things got so polarized. Can you really imaging calling anyone traitorous names for voting for Dwight Eisenhower? Yet these seniors, particularly women who have out-lived their husbands, have done this many a time in the past and do not see it as tantamount to betrayal as we younger people do. It does not necessarily make them racist not to want to give that vote away easily to someone with essentially no resume except running really, really good campaigns when they have lived through much more significant history than the rest of us who so often feel like we just want to take our toys and go home.

Man I see all these Obamamorons talking about Obama like he is some god or profit its pathetic. Wake the HELL UP PEOPLE!!!!!! Obama is so naive and he has not achieved a single thing well in the Senate. If you dems want to win than vote for Hillary. Mccain will crush Obsama. I'm a republican but I don't care if Hillary wins in november because at least she wont gut our military, disarm our nuclear arsenal and not go around being butt budies with evil dictators like Obama would. McCain is NOT another Bush, he is a liberal you stupid obamabots need to wake the F**K UP!!!!!!

Wow...there is so much racism and sexism in the above comments it is difficult to read. It's truly amazing how much animosity and bigotry exists in this country.

My comment is directed to the Democrats who have posted above:

On this and other political discussion boards I keep seeing people call themselves "Democrats" and then in the next sentence say if this or that does not happen then they will vote Republican come November.

My question: What possible good will that do unless you don't really care at all about the real issues at hand in the coming election?

I am a life long Democrat and always will be. In local elections I have, a couple times, thought about and/or voted for a Republican candidate if I do not like the Democrat up for office. I have always looked at this as fairly low risk since, especially in MA, there are enough Democrats to balance out the few Republicans in office. I felt as though the issues close to my heart (public schools, civil liberties, the environment, health care) would still be protected.

But NEVER would I risk this in a national campaign. I am not the biggest HRC fan right now, although I respect her perseverance as a woman trying to succeed in our patriarchal country. Despite my Obama allegiance, if she were to get the nomination or the VP nod that would not sway me to jump ship. The same would be the case if my allegiance were to Hillary...and Obama nomination would not send me packing.

Honestly, do those of you threatening to vote for the other side think for one minute McCain cares about our education and healthcare systems, or the environment, or the cost of college, or rights for same sex couples (and I could go on and on) in remotely the same way that either Obama or Hillary do?

Do you think that having McCain in office is going to ensure that our Democratic party concerns are represented when he appoints more conservative judges to the Supreme Court when others retire during the next administration?

I do not think McCain is a bad man...I really respect his public service and his tremendous sacrifices for our nation. BUT...this should be about issues people!!!!

As Democrats it's time to unite around both domestic and international concerns...around the critical ISSUES facing our nation and the world. We have to focus on making sure that we do not lose this battle in November rather than throw a vote across the aisle b/c we are annoyed by one candidate or the other.

We need to step back and see the bigger picture! Protest votes (as some have suggested) in the next election could result in perpetuating and worsening so many of the problems currently facing our nation and the world. We have to make sure we turn the tides and start moving in the right direction!

I am in agreement with several who have already posted here. I am a democrat and have voted in every election since 1986 and always for my parties candidate. I think if BO is chosen it will be a fatal mistake by the DNC. I will either not vote or vote for McCain ( yick!!) if my only other choice is BO. HRC is the best choice and I pray daily that the super delegates open their eyes and ears to what will happen if she is not nominated. There are millions like myself who will NOT vote for Obama.

God Bless America

OK... Here it is... Simply put... 6 months ago Hillary was all but assured of a coronation.... She was all but conceded to have won the Dem nomination. BUTin the VERY short period from Iowa to TODAY... She has fallen from a prohibitive favorite to an all but eliminated also-ran... LOL. Her backers say Obama can't close the deal? Get real!!!! She blew the biggest lead in recent history!!! AND... in the next 5 and a half months to November Obama will continue to deliver his upbeat and winning message and agenda... The utterly moronoic contention of the Clinton camp that Obama can't win NY or Cal is as absurd as Hillarys Bosnia lie.
The country WILL find Obama to be a better candidate than McCain... The Dems that truly KNOW how important this election is will rally behind Obama... The whiners and poor losers that threaten to turn on the party are well-lost. They OBVIOUSLY have a view and temperment much more suited to the GOP any way if that is their reaction to not getting their way.
The party is moving on... with or without them... and I truly believe Obama and the party welcomes ALL Clinton supporters and i also believe a HUGE majority of them will be on board... But hey...If they think the party of George Bush and John McCain suits their views better... good riddance. Great time for the Democratic Party to be purged of insiders and whiners.

Whatever your opinion and preferred candidate, it was a pleasure reading these posts which are in the main civil and well considered and respectful. I am of the opinion that a national discussion can be had without denigrating ones opponent and resorting to vitriol.
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rikki

This is getting ridiculous. If you consider yourself a Democrat, and will be crossing the aisle come November if Hillary is not the nominee, then make it official and GET OUT OF OUR PARTY. Plain and simple, change your registration to independent, republican, or, God help you, something wacky like libertarian. We have to stick together now more than ever. I am an Obama supporter mainly because I believe that he has the best chance of winning. If Hillary is the democratic nominee, I will DEFINATELY vote for her. I respect her and will back her up. Rest assured, the conservatives are falling in line and they will ALL vote for McCain, and a lot of them HATE him. We need solidarity. Hillary supporters stop acting like little niave kids and get back in the team or GET OUT>

For some reason, the Obama supporters and the Liberal media will still turn a blind eye to the tragic development on Obama's ignorance to foreign policy where the Republicans will surely pick on.

A tragic ending for the Democratic party come December

Right on Mark. Obama or Hillary are the only sane choices.

This Democratic "debacle" has added armies of new voters to the game. Democracy can work if we keep it relevant to our lives.

I say McCain takes all three states: Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Also, look at Michigan and New Hampshire. The Obama math does not add up. I am a Hillary Clinton Democrat that is voting for John McCain living in Minnesota. Obama better stop thinking that MInnesota is in the bag because I've heard many lifelong Democrats going straight from Hillary to McCain. Election night might be a shocker.