Deals in works on Florida, Michigan delegates

Hey, Obama's name was not on the Michigan ballot, then Hillary can not us those votes or is that the Democratic way ? If Hillary wants to go down with her panties on fire so be it !!!

And so, again, those that contravene the rules get a break? As a state voter, I would oust those maladroit officials who decided it was okay to thumb their nose at DNC directives and at Dean and now are self-importantly talking about party needs. Where was the loyalty to the party when they wanted to promote themselves by defying stated rules.
And in Michigan, I am outraged that Clinton, whom you can clearly hear in this tape saying that "this election is not going to count for anything", is going to be rewarded for disregarding the instructions for the candidates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg

It is shameful that in pandering to those who think rules apply to all but them, the DNC is in effect renouncing to their authority to set set rules and have them observed.

Couldn't agree more. Michigan and Florida should get no delegates at the convention. Party membership is a voluntary thing. If you don't like your party's rules you don't have to participate. Michigan and Florida knew the rules and they knew the consequences, so the decision to be disqualified was their own.

Now that the nomination is wrapped up they will create a "compromise," meaning a solution that they know will not impact the outcome, so the delegates are still in effect "meaningless." But the message it sends is still the wrong one.

And, for the record, Hillary Clinton's vocal complaints about Michigan and Florida pretty much convinced me I could never support her as my president. True leaders aren't afraid to play by the rules. Bad leaders decide that rules only matter when it supports their own agenda (see Bush, George W).

Who Cares? Scream DEAN manipulated his way on top of DNC, and together with "bitter Boston Ultra Liberals" Took Party Away From Titular Head and Standard bearer Ex-President Willim Jefferson Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodman Clinton, all because Teddy got Mad when Hillary did not genuflect at JFK Altar.... by saying "It Took A President, Lyndon Johnson, to Pass Civil Rights Leginslation". What arrogance "To Ignore Reality" that NOT A SINGLE "Ultra Liberal HAS WON AN ELECTION (for president) SINCE JFK: RFK was killed, McGovern, Gene MacCarthy, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry -- ALL LOSERS! Only Moderate Democrats Carter and Clinton have been successful!

Because of this Boston Manipulation, We have Obama, who Only won Red States thanks to Karl Rove directed 24 State "Republicans For Obama" organizations and "Democrat for a Day" Crossover TRICKS?

Obama benefitted from this DNC political manipulations and privilege, and has tried hard to both have and use it against Clinton. Though he could not look white, he could act white... and since he looked black, Obama had a head start at being accepted among blacks. But there was that whole "acting black" complication. And he has deftly played the "Race Card" to his benefit.

How to establish one's black cultural bona fides, then? Obama decided to associate with authentically black institutions, including the black church community. Unfortunately, in supporting Jeremiah Wright's alienating creed of black liberation theology, Obama made a terrible (perhaps fatal) error.

So this day, when Obama has to choose between defending his 20-year ties to the radical mentor who helped him climb the black power ladder, or abandoning that mentor in order to pander to dumbfounded whites who thought he was "one of us" ... well, this day could have been predicted.

It's a shame that the Democrats will almost certainly kick off the general election season with a candidate so weary, so wounded, so weighed down by his old albatrosses, that he simply doesn't have a prayer against a unified and invigorated Republican Party.

Since this debacle is self-inflicted, it's hard to be sympathetic to Dems, given that they should have vetted Obama with open eyes and yet did not -- until now. And now is just too late.

So now, all Non-Boston Elite Democrats can Vote For 100 years MacWar!

Yes RULES are RULES. But the SAME DNC RULES allow for a re-vote to reinstate stripped delegates at a later date. Delegate counting is not permitted BEFORE certain scheduled primaries but totally acceptable thereafter. Even if FL and MI Dem leaders broke the RULES, why is Obama punishing and disenfranchising VOTERS who are totally innocent VICTIMS in this? Moreover, as Dr Dean said, the RULES only apply to the DELEGATE COUNT but say nothing about discarding THE POPULAR VOTE COUNT. It is CERTAIN that DNC RULES were broken, but REALITY and ACTUALITY remains that 1.2 Million voters cast their ballots for Clinton and nothing can change that fact.

The Constitution permits all citizens including DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS to redress their grievances. But a proposed remedy to re-vote in June was rejected by Obama while ignoring/breaking DNC RULES that allow re-votes. So Clinton has every right to renege on the deal not to count FL and MI delegates. By refusing to admit that extra 1.2 Million voters were against him, Obama is like knowingly measuring with a ruler that bears faulty markings, and using it anyway because it's the most convenient for Obama. The Supreme Court took 217 FL votes from Gore and Bush won. How can Obama throw away 2 Millions voters from FL/MI and expect to win come November?

AfricanPride:

Clinton must be very proud of herself for taking 1.2 million votes in an uncontested election where her main opponent didn't even appear on one of the ballots. Quite an accomplishment.

And Obama didn't reject the revote, he rejected awarding the delegates. The revotes died because the state parties couldn't get their acts together. Given that this whole mess is the fault of those same state parties, is it really a surprise?

I agree with you that the voters are the victims in this. It is truly a shame. I think a lot of people need to admit that they screwed up royally with this one, and move on. No matter what happens now, the DNC is not going to resolve this in a way that changes the outcome, so who really cares I guess.

Pro Clinton people seems to forget things that convene to them or Hillary.

Remember....Hillary and all the other candidates accepted the rules before all this started. They knew what was going to happen with Florida and Michigan. If she would be the winner today, she would not give - you know what - for Florida or Michigan delegates to be seated and people votes to be counted. And if the outcome of those states would have favored Obama, she would not even opened her mouth..... Or even worse, if Obama would demand in that hipotetical case that the votes and the delegates to be included, then Hillary would have called Obama a rule-breaker, he has no word, he ignores the agreements and so on.....
But since she is losing, well, you know, she has to use her old dirty tricks...or even better, show her real self...which is that she only cares about herself and what is good it has to be good for her, nor for the party nor the people.

Obama - for a CHANGE.

Don't lie to yourselves. You know what Hillary is made of.

It was an act of simple reason for Obama not to participate in the Michigan and Florida primary. He could not win them. So now, it appears, that he took the high road. Had the DNC not tried to manipulate the election process by starting so early, Michigan and Florida never would of had reason to worry about their state primaries being rendered irrelevant. I don't blame them for sticking it to the DNC. They are two of the most coveted states in terms of the election.

C'mon this is the big umbrella party. The party that points fingers all the time at election fraud. Face it, you're just like everyone else if you think your guy is getting screwed you will say anything to shut the other guy up. You just wont admit that your party is just as stupid as the other one.