Kennedy no fan of dream ticket
Don't count Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts among Democrats hankering for the so-called dream ticket of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
"I don't think it's possible,'' Kennedy says in an interview on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital With Al Hunt,'' airing this weekend.
Kennedy, a key early supporter of now likely nominee Obama, seemed to aim some rather biting words Clinton's way, according to Bloomberg. He didn't name names, but he said Obama should pick someone who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people.''
"If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful,'' added Kennedy.
UPDATE: Kennedy's office disputed that he was referring to Clinton, saying he was asked one question about the possibility of an Obama-Clinton ticket, then responded to questions that were not related to Clinton.
"Senator Kennedy thinks Senator Clinton is more than qualified to be vice president, but doesn't think it's likely given the tenor of the campaign in recent weeks," spokesman Anthony Coley said in a statement.
While some Democrats have looked at the demographic divide among Clinton and Obama voters and say the best way to unite the party is for both to be on the ticket, Kennedy has been among those who have been critical of Clinton's attacks on Obama during the primary campaign.
A running mate with national security credentials would be "useful'' though not necessary because Obama, an Illinois senator, has a good understanding of foreign policy, Kennedy said. "I think he's been eloquent; I think he's been incisive; and I think he's been right,'' he said, according to Bloomberg.



Edward Kennedy should be the last person to be critical of Hillary Clinton being devisive. I suppose he has forgotten his failed run for the presidency and how he behaved at the convention. By endorcing Obama, Kennedy is remenicing about what could have been in his case. Kennedy had all that baggage with Chappaqqidick and Mary Jo's drowing so he couldn't win anyway. Obama does not have the experience to run the country, and Kennedy will be to Obama, what Dick Cheney was to George Bush Jr.
Wow, another big loser: Ted Kenedy is almost as big a loser a Carter. Way to go Democrats, you're giving the White House to McCain. This Reagan Democrat is leaving the party for good. I'll enjoy watching the Republicans rip a new hole for Obama. Even better, I'll cheer when they stuff that new hole full of Aragula, or whatever it is you radical liberals eat nowadays.
I think that Sen Kennedy makes a good point though. One of Clinton's complaints with Obama is his need to win over white catholics. Kennedy is reminding us that we don't need her to be V.P. to do that. McCain and his endorsements of religious fanatics will do that. I am truly hoping that we all unite and help build a coalition against this past neo-con con artistry of the last eight years. With two judicial seats up for grabs its important that we unite this fall, and I think it will happen. Maybe a good fit is Clinton as majority leader of the Senate. She will still have a lot of power, and her policy-wonk knowledge will be great for our country in that position.
Hoo I'm with this. A more yukkky choice for VP under the climate we've observed and been playing in I cannot imagine. So many bloggers have suggested Clinton run with McCain and it makes better sense. They have similar warmongering personalities with regard to international relationships.
As do some of these bloggers!!! O well, the good thing about US is we are all free to think and say what we like.
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Wow, so far we're 2 for 2 on moronic hate comments on the ole' blog message board. Let's keep it coming people! Set that bar high!
I wouldn't characterize Obama as being a real leader (that's a real unknown at this point), but a great speaker. That does not translate to a good President who needs wisdom and experience. I remember voting for Jimmy Carter when I was 18 and I was so excited about his youth, non-political ways and fresh face. Later on in his presidency, I was frustrated with his lack of ability to do anything about the Iran hostage crisis and the fuel shortages. I think that hurt the Democratic party for years afterwards. I had/have great admiration for President Carter in other ways - his humanitarism and decency, but toughness didn't seem to be there and it hurt us. Will something similar happen with Obama? I fear the consequences. Once again, I don't think the American people are getting this right.
No dream ticket!!
Mrs Clinton waste of her energy and the money from american people is FUTILE.
Does Mrs. Clinton understand the word FUTILE
Futile?
why does she wants to revolt the next few states.
Does she really think the americans from the next states lack judgement?
Does she pretend for next states self-label itself as "racist" so it ruins its tourism
Does she want to devide and segregate the next states from the rest of america?
At this point She is like a very hot potatoe, nobody wants to burn their hands. Not even the senate, as VP she will be in charge of the senate, and senators are already rejecting her, so if the senate is rejecting her as "senate president " why should we americans accepts her as president???????????????????
Leave the lady with Bill Clinton in pennsylvania
Dear Bob:
I am about sick and tired of hearing about how you bitter, poor, working class, uneducated, rural white people will leave the party and vote for McCain. Spare the rest of us the drama and just do it. Sen. Obama realizes he was not going to get your support under any circumstances because you are too blinded by hate and paralyzed by irrational fear to vote for any Black candidate. So long story short, your announcement is not breaking news or a threat anyone gives a damn about. Personally I think you and your kind will fit in just fine in that other party.
I agree with Mr. Kennedy on this one. I believe that Hillary would only be detrimental to Barack's candidacy. Almost everything she's said and done to separate her campaign from Obama's is opposite of what he states he wants this country to achieve.
There are other, better potential running mates for him to choose.
Hilary has really disappointed the other "hard-working Americans" who might have thought she could be on the dream ticket. In recent weeks she has shown how unabashingly desperate the Clinton's are for power. I will be very disappointed if Obama chooses her. We don't need to be reminded of her and Bill for another eight years.
It is past time for the Democratic Party to stop Hillary.
While Ted Kennedy is a controversial individual, he has worked tirelessly for the middle and lower class Americans.
Hillary Clinton has continued the unethical behavior displayed by both Clintons throughout their entire life. She has made blatant knowingly false statements during the campaign. No one competent to be President would have difficulty remembering whether she dodged sniper fire in Bosnia. Hillary told voters in Indiana and North Carolina about a gas tax holiday that she knew Congress would never approve because it is a bad idea. The tax holiday actually helped Obama, although some voted for Hillary based on the gas tax holiday.
Clinton's most recent comments are another embarrassment to all Americans. Clinton cited an AP poll "that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. There's a pattern emerging here."
Clinton's comments are another embarrassment to all Americans. The way it is stated indicates that only white Americans are hard working. Clinton's only motive is to tear the Democratic Party apart to benefit Hillary. Hillary winning at any cost tactics is no secret.
I think many of the people Hillary cited are voting for her because they know "Bill" Clinton, but do not know Barack Obama. Many are properly using a few minutes of news clips to make their voting decisions.
I also think that many women that voted for Clinton to vote for a woman will vote for Obama.
Clinton should be spending her time educating her supporters about the reasons to vote for Obama.
As a white older woman, I had enough of the Clinton's unethical behavior before Bill ran for reelection. Hillary is not a role model I want for my granddaughters.
Next year will be the thirtieth anniversay of Ted Kennedy running off drunk and leaving Mary Jo Kopeckny to drown.
What's lower than MSNBC giving one full hour to Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama? An Al Hunt interview of the fat drunk from Boston.
Edward Kennedy IS Hillary Clinton
Obama has ran a debt free campaign and a well organized one.
He is the only one that can say that today.....
Regardless of what one thinks of Teddy Kennedy - or his past - one can't deny that he's been a fixture in the Senate for a very long time and his comments on the kind of person who would make a good ticket-mate for Obama are worth noting.
Obama's chief message has been that he will be an effective agent of change. As he's already demonstrated in his extraordinary campaign for the nomination.
Opting for Clinton as his running mate would negate that message. The last thing he wants is to sell out to "politics as usual."
That's McCain's forte.
And his curse.
I never much liked Kennedy until now......I so agree. If Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, our country would have the equivalent of a Dick Cheney to George Bush in the White House. It would be soooooo awful -- we'd be back to lies and attack dog politics. I just hope Obama will have the wisdom that he has shown in this campaign to lead with wisdom.......starting by NOT tagging Clinton along!
It is this very back-biting style of conversation from the two previous comment posts that people all across America are rejecting by voting for Obama. There are no solutions in words such as that, only divisiveness. It's easy to tear down anything, but much harder to build something. If you want to build something great, you have to be part of the process, and not just stand by and detract for no good. Let's focus on issues and what we want out of our country, and figure out how to get there while endorsing the "art of compromise", also known as politics.
It's laughable to hear Ted Kennedy expound on the "nobler aspirations of the American people," as if he would know anything about that. He' a gin-soaked idiot who is the worst friend the Democrats have ever had.
Kennedy is absolutely right. After all she and her people have done to Obama, this woman now wants to convince Obama somehow she is a partner in his campaign. We all know this individual called Hillary Clinton is a person of low principles and moral so we wouldn't blame her for this new low. She simply can't help it but what about those who circulate this notion now?
Do they not think that Obama is also a human who is capable of getting upset with certain individuals? He is not god nor should he be. That aside, there are millions of his supporters, myself included, who simply do not want him to stand side by side with her. She is a complete disgrace and I dare say that the Democratic Party will be better of without her and her people. They will attract fresh blood into the Party in their place.
Why would Obama pick Hillary as a VP? How could he implement his visions and dreams with a former president in one corner of his dream and his beaten opponent in the other? In that situation his dream becomes a nightmare.
Choose some else. Move on.
Who is "Kenn Day"?
“Senator Kennedy believes Obama should choose someone who"is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people.''
Oh, I get it! We voters should just shut down our thinking processes, cast common sense to the wind, and vote for someone who remained in a radical anti-White, anti-American church for twenty years? Any mother or father who’d allow their children to witness hatred against half of their ancestry and their nation speaks for itself. Senator Obama is as politically and personally jaded as any politician. He is not a knight meant to save us from the mean dragon of Republicanism and self-serving policies of the past eight years.
I’m an Irish Catholic who is disgusted by this entire process. Senator Obama has been pushed down the electorates throats by the ‘powers that be’ in the Democratic Party. They’ve opened a chasm within the Black community towards Whites who are for Hillary that will destroy our Party for generations if this isn’t rectified soon. Shame on the lot of you! If this continues McCain will win. Is it any wonder some will cross over to the dark side and vote McCain? And to those demonizing fellow democrats for doing so, get real! This is a democracy not a dictatorship! Back off and allow the people to vote their choice. We voters have the right to vocalize our politics without being called racists because we chose to vote Hillary over Obama or vice versa. It’s not about color or gender.
oh my.... a drunken womanizer who left a woman to die.... big surprise kennedy is for the man in the race...... and hmmm it is hard to believe that this person who was sooooooooo verrrrrrry lucky not to do jail time.... talks about noblier goals..... check the dictionary.... hypocrite=Ted Kennedy
GET READY WORLD!!! BARACK OBAMA WILL BE PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!
IT'S A FACT!
The "Dream Ticket" does not involve Hillary Clinton.
Obama/Edwards '08!
"oh my.... a drunken womanizer who left a woman to die.... "
Are you talking about Bill here or Teddy?
"oh my.... a drunken womanizer who left a woman to die.... "
"Are you talking about Bill here or Teddy?"
I think he's talking about Newt Gingrich.
The sooner the Arkansas Travellers are gone from American Political Life the better off the country will be!!!!! Ted Kennedy is one of the best Senators in our History. What war did Bill Clinton ever fight in and when did Hilary see a real Sniper. We need real women like Nancy sibelius of Kansas or Chris Gregroire of washington state instead of a tird retread like hilary. what has she really done in the senate? Gov. Kaine or Bill Richardson or even Joe biden if he would do it would be excellent choices. Get rid of all the southern trash like Carville a nd McAuliffe and tthat idiot Lanny Davis and Wolfson and get some honest people in charge. Paul of the Desert.
"While Ted Kennedy is a controversial individual, he has worked tirelessly for the middle and lower class Americans."
Now THAT is funny!
I cannot vote for either Obama or McCain. Obama (Mr. Present) has no clue what he is going to "Change". McCain lost any chance of my vote when he advised that he would nominate "CONSERVATIVES" to the Supreme Court. Well I'm a believer that if you do not vote you cannot complain so this is the last you will hear from me.
I doubt Obama will consider Clinton for the VP spot, especially given the vitriol she is spewing today. Additionally, having a delusional, bitter, angry racist as a Vice President would not be a good selection for an African-American to make
I used to be okay with Hillary but she is power hungry. She would rather anyone else lose so she could run herself. Ask John Kerry about that. Now she's going to do it again. I used to like McCain when he was his own independent voice. Now he sways way too much in the wind. And is too old and confused. Obama is still okay but he could do better getting real with people. Mix up real Q&A with the inspiration speech.
It is unfortunate that the Democrats have picked the only possible ways to lose this election. A woman or a black person. No matter how qualified one is, either one, has a certain percentage that will note vote for them. That is sad but true.
Why would Obama want Hillary? Dream team, maybe, but that would put Bill Clinton a little too close to the Presidency. Plus, we could have a replay of the hatchet job Thomas Jefferson did on John Adams during President Adams' administration. With Hillary on the inside, she might try to damage Obama so she could run in 2012. And with the big Bubba around, who says it couldn't happen. No, Hillary is not going to be content to preside over the Senate and representing the US at the funerals of third world despots. I'm not voting for Obama - he is too far to the left for me. However, I do think give him credit for dispatching the "smartest woman in the world."
Teddy, in pursueing Barach to run against Hillary, is in large part responsible for today's predicamenet of the Democratic Party. Most every democrat agrees that Hillary would win and would make atl least a good president if not a great president. Barach, reminds him of Jack? Jack was a Navy war hero! Teddy interfered because he thinks he's a bigger force than he really is and because of his dislike for the Clintons. He is not in touch with his state's electorate on this contest, and because of the trouble he has stirred up he needs to clean out his Senate desk!
Obama-Edwards?! Now there's a path towards "obliteration" in the General Election - for the Democratic Party that is. Talk about a pair of bookends - two pandering double-speaking politicians!
Admit it Democrats. You've taken the far left extremist pretty boy route and have failed to listen to your centrist core. A recipe for disaster. The Republicans have beaten you at your own game by balancing all sides of their party.
Enjoy the fainting spells at the Obama rallies - come November you'll need more than a cold splash of Chappeqquidick water to bring you around to your senses.
Let all of the Blacks and Loony Lefties talk about "vision and change". This man is actually the Great Divider and Hillarys presence would emasculate him and infringe on the bitter and hateful Mrs Hussein Obamas role. The Dems are setting themselves up for another blowout defeat i.e McGovern, Dukakis. The snake oil salesman wont get 40% of the White vote and deservedly so. And I find it hysterical that no one talks about the "racism" on the blacks side. 90% go for Obama so tell me thats not based on skin color. Blacks do not decide general elections, they will go along like lemmings and the middle class, blue collar, middle america, patriotic whites will decide the election as usual. signed, "typical white person".
Any story involving Ted Kennedy seems to bring out the vitriolic Kennedy haters to spew their vitriol.
First of all, Kennedy has nothing to do with whether Obama will make a good president or not.
Secondly, despite Chappeqquidick, which I don't defend, it's pretty obvious to me that he has been one of the great senators and will go down in history as such. His list of accomplishments, like him or not, have been a benefit for this state and for this country.
This is the first primary season in my lifetime that has made every state critical to nominate a candidate. It's no longer NH or IA that decides. Hillary and Obama are bringing people out to VOTE and VOTE Democratic.
Sure Hillary has insurmountable odds. The lunchpail democrats flock to her. She is working with concrete details that they understand. Obama has it pretty much locked it up but he seems pretty smug about it. So do all of his superdelegate supporters. The philosophical democrats flock to him. They fantasize in the abstract. Words like hope and faith just seem to ambiguous to people who need concrete answers - now! Kennedy voted for Obama and the state he represents voted for Clinton by 14%.
The thing is what we've learned is that no matter who wins the Democratic Nomination neither candidate has a majority of democrats. Obama cannot win in November without tailoring his message to the lunchpails. He has to be more concrete with the details. Clinton has done him a BIG favor by showing him where his weaknesses are... Democrats wouldn't you want to know what those weaknesses are now than in October when it's too late. Whatever doesn't kill you now makes you stronger later on.
Lunchpails have left the party before. They'll vote with the candidate with the most concrete answers. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry - all sewed up their nominations before the end of April and look what happened to them in November.
Lunchpails were staying at home - not voting in the primary season. Obama has new voters, new to the process and theorists looking up into the sky. Clinton has those voters who left and said, "I'll go with the other guy" in the voting booth.
Hillary strengths would waste away in the VP position. A thankless, nothing job that casts a deciding vote in the Senate. Come on - she'd be better off remaining to represent NY. Maybe becoming a Senior Senator like Kennedy himself.
Does this mean we won't have a gas tax holiday ?
The VP slot should be offered to Sen Clinton with the understanding that she will refuse it. If he did put her on the ticket, it would be the worst possible choice. He has to say he is considering it out of deference to her supporters, but there is no way he is going to pick her.
Can we please elect based on an earned career of experience rather than family coat tails? America has plenty of talent. Let's not be so lazy to succumb to the easiest path of promotion using a few families!
I'm for the Dream-Ticket because it will give the Democrats a broader base but I also don't trust Hillary's 'become-president-at-all-costs' behavior that she's increasingly displayed over the past months. How confident are you that she won't have Obama assassinated? This is literally the only way that she can become president in her lifetime and the Clintons have already taken a low-road in a way I would have never expected.
Sen. Ted Kennedy should be ashamed of the way he's behaved in this campaign, particularly with these most recent comments.
I don't understand why as "superdelegates," he and John Kerry (neither of whom was able to reach the White House) do not reflect the overwhelming vote for Sen. Clinton in Massachusetts.
It''s clear that some commenting here think anyone who supports Sen. Clinton is a bitter, uneducated bigot, but calling Clinton supporters such names is not going to help Sen. Obama win the general election. Perhaps taking back the presidency matters less to them than destroying the Clintons
I am a hard working white american male and I will never vote for the white woman who has eaten more P_ssy than her husband BILL. She is an embarrassment to this Nation and this World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Los Tres Hermanos--Juan, Roberto y Eduardo Kennedy--were all very good at involving state and local political leaders in a practical and purposeful manner in their respecetive presidential campaigns. People who were for other candidates in the Democratic presidential primaries of 1960, 1968 and 1980, could nonetheless respect the high regard each of the Senators Kennedy demonstrated toward state and local elected officials and candidates alike who came out in support of those Kennedy For President campaigns.
Indeed, this is an area in which I feel that Sen. Hillary Clinton, in concert with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, has excelled, and therefore they also deserve respect for the way in which they have shown great leadership by honoring the position of state and local leaders who have demonstrated the political fortitude to declare themselves to be in favor--as we say down South--of Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama either one!
So it is little wonder that both Massachusetts and New York went for Sen. Clinton in their respective primaries.
And this is perhaps an area in which Sen. Barack Obama's campaign could use some additional effort and attention. Perhaps it is easier to "go it alone" in some of the smaller states where a presidential candidate's message can reverberate over virtually all other state and local political issues of the moment. But in the larger states, particularly those with major cities and other urban corridors as well as medium-sized cities and independent-minded towns and rural areas, it is important to make an effort to involve those public officials and candidates who are willing to stand with your campaign.
So I say a tip of the hat, in the Tip O'Neill tradition, to Sen. Hillary Clinton for welcoming in everyone "from just around the block" who has chosen to come out in support of her campaign along the way. And Sen. Obama's campaign, at least in my state of North Carolina, ought to spend less time pressuring and belittling supporters of a second Clinton presidency and more time preparing to welcome in Democrats from all the other campaign in the event that Sen. Obama does indeed win the Democratic presidential nomination.
The Obama campaign, until the end of the week, all but ignored the West Virginia primary where John Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey staged an inspiring competition in the 1960 primary whose memories still stir the hearts and minds of people all across the country today.
The senator from Illinois also ought to get back to straight-forward, point-by-point discussion of the issues rather than relying on crowd-pleasing sloganeering or strictly personality appeals for conveying his campaing themes and messages.
Perhaps Sen. Ted Kennedy can offer a few words of wisdom to the Obama campaign in regard to its central message proclaimed at almost every stop to the effect that what the voters need to do is "change the people in Washington." I'm no Professor Mike Dukakis, but the last time I checked, the Democrats just regained the majority in both houses of the Congress! Are the Obama people suggesting that they'd be better off with a Republican Congress?
Who is going to be more effective in working in the executive branch with a Democratic Congress if indeed the voters give the Democratic Party majorities once agan this November in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate? This should be a strong suit for Sen. Obama since he has legislative experience at both the state and federal levels of government, but so far, the Obama campaign too often gives the impression of not really being all that interested in what members of Congress may have to say on the major issues looming for the next session.
We could do that, you know, we could vote for a Democrat in the White House but not in the Speaker's chair, but to paraphrase Andy Rooney of "60 Minutes": I don't know if people would really do something as convoluted as that. But they did exactly this in 1994 and might do so again in 2010 if Democrats in the White House and in the Congress go their separate philosophical ways.
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I think Teddy should vote the will of the people of Massachusetts. I think Obama Hussein is too inexperienced to be trusted with the presidency. I have been a democrat all my life and if Obama is the nominee, I won't vote democrat. I am afraid of what he will do to the U.S. he is not trustworthy and he doesn't have the allegiance to the U.S. his wife is horrible and hopefully mccain will get in.
Bottom Line: Obama has potential. But, his lack of current experience and leadership is going to hurt him and our country. He failed to regin in his pastor and that speaks volumes about his ability to deal with international leaders - as well as his political foes. But, if I don't vote for Obama I guess I'll be labeled as a racist.
We all should know that Bush was a disaster, but lets not get carried away with the "change" candidate. Would you hire a 2006 MBA graduate to run General Electric?
Kennedy is not acknowledged as the leader of the democratic party by people in the other 49 states. He is a bloated old entrenched politician who has taken a long ride on the coattails of his brothers. I don't think he is one to talk to the American people about how we should have "noble" aspirations. When it comes down to it, he's just a guy who has been a senator for a long time. Kind of like a Strom Thurmond - his constituents see something in him that the rest of the country doesn't.
The Senator should give up on picking running mates. In 1972, George Mcgovern wanted to pick Boston's Mayor Kevin White, but Ted nixed him. McGovern then picked Tom Eagleton and the rest was history.
Of course, Obama remind a lot of folks of McGovern anyway ...
Screw Ted Kennedy. I'm a voter who will vote for whomever runs against Kerry, Kennedy, Patrick or Obama. I hate 'em all, now. Sexist bastards!
I'm continually surprised by: 1) the vehemence by which Clinton supporters and Obama supporters attack each other; 2) by the parroting of Clinton campaign talking points by Clinton supporters ("Obama has no experience to be President" - he's held elective office longer than Clinton did; "He hasn't provided concrete details, and just knows how to give good speeches" - his website is chock full of detail, as are his speeches, as much as Clinton's, if you would care to look and listen; "He's ultra-liberal" - uh - not really, his policy solutions are, if anything, even more centrist than Clinton's, believe it or not - except in the area of foreign policy, where Clinton is a lot closer to McCain and Bush than to the mainstream of the Democratic Party and most Americans, where Obama is (the true liberals (Kucinich, Gravel) and the rhetorical liberals (Edwards, Dodd) in the race this year lost early on, leaving the centrist Democrats, Clinton and Obama); "the Democratic Party has decided that Obama will win" - uh, not really - who started the primary/caucus season with the overwhelming advantage in endorsements from superdelegates and party officials in her corner?); and 3) that somehow, an Obama-Clinton ticket is a "dream" ticket. The stuff of nightmares, more likely, as Kennedy rightly suggests. I'd rather see Governors Napolitano, Sebelius or Richardson as the VP.
I have always thought the world of, and supported the Kennedys. I now think that Ted Kennedy is a traitor of the worst kind. He has sought to destroy the political lives of Bill and Hillary Clinton, (though that will never happen), and should be ashamed of himself. He has undone so much good that he previously accomplished by his currently disgusting political behavior. He now emerges as nothing but a turncoat and a political hack. Of course, even though I supported him, his behavior in law school when he cheated on an exam was a foreboding that we should have taken more seriously.
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