Mixed results for Clinton in new poll

Before we call ANY black people racist, let's keep in mind that nearly 100% of all black voters, at some point in thier lives, have voted for a white candidate. How many whites can say the reverse is true?

By definition, a racist voter is someone who won't vote for a candidate because of the color of the candidates skin. We know for sure that blacks are willing to vote for white politicians. Blacks have been "vetted" by the voting booth in the past, and have been determined to not be racist. If Blacks were racist, they would have stayed home when there was no black candidate because of thier unwillingness to vote white. They didn't. By the millions they have cast votes for white politicians.

This election poses a look into whether whites are willing to do the same. In some places, like WV, we see that whites are indeed far more racist voters than blacks. In places like Iowa and Colorado, Whites are proving that they are Americans first and are ready to move past issues of race.

1) Electability in the General Election: Senator Clinton's supporters delude themselves with the notion that "Obama can't win in the General Election." They've not even bothered to read the lead story on the blog that they've just posted to, or it's headline, which reads, "Mixed results for Clinton in new poll."

2) Florida and Michigan: Again, Clinton supporters are delusional. Apparently only selectively referring to Florida and Michigan, Mrs. Clinton herself incorrectly stated last week that, "If we had the same rules the republicans have, I'd already be the nominee!" Why is that a complete misrepresentation of the facts? Because all of the republican contests are WINNER TAKE ALL. If Democrats had the same rules as republicals, OBAMA WOULD HAVE WON IN FEBRUARY!! Also, if you waited in line all night for tickets to a concert you'd been waiting four years to see, how would you feel if two people cut in front of you at the last minute and got the last two tickets... Think about it.

3) Experience: While Clinton supporters claim that their candidate has "more experience" than Senator Obama, that too is a delusional concept. Not only does the senator from Illinois have more years holding political office than former First Lady Clinton does, he's shown far greater management skill than she possesses. She was handed the nomination on a silver platter and managed to totally screw it up!

4) The "white blue-collar" argument: Once more a complete delusion. It's no secret that Rush Limbah et. al. have been telling their listeners for months to vote for Clinton in the primaries, and that's exactly what they've been doing. How did Clinton win Ohio? Pennsylvania? Hmmm...

Finally, as an Obama supporter who's been saying since last summer that the ticket should be Obama for President and Clinton for Vice President, I agree with George Stephanopolous about the reason Mrs. Clinton fights on, and sincerely believe she should keep doing it. There are obviously hurt feelings on BOTH sides, and if Senator Clinton can continue to "keep it clean" while campaigning, it will give Senator Obama an opportunity to show her supporters that he IS sensitive to that. Only then can the healing begin that is NECESSARY to defeat a third Bush administration in the fall.

Look at the facts, Half the people that will vote at the General election has not voted at this point. I am an independent and I support Hillary because, she is the strongest canadite. Only one or two states let their independents vote in the primary. Obama is not experienced enough to do anything for us. Look at Florida, the republicans running the state again interfered and took our voice away for the 3rd election on a row. If Obama chooses Hilary as V.P. it would not be good for him since he associated her as the same old politics.

I am upset with the news media stating Obama has the support of the independent voters, Rememeber, the poll that the independents where going to decide this election because over 50% of the voters are regestered as so. So the remaining 50% is divided by the republicans and the democrats so the democrats have about 2/3 of these voters and they are divided between him and her.

I want to hear something concrete of what he can do for us not a speech carefully wriiten not to offend. He stands for nothing so far.

If he wins the nomination I will not vote at all for neither side as the republicans that support him are hoping. Many others will do the same, and it has nothing to do with race it has to do with what can he really do.

I will vote for Obama if he is the Democratic nominee but I don't think that he a chance. I tried to see him when he visited Idaho but did not make it into the packed arena. Some see his success in states like Idaho as a positive sign but don't kid yourselves. Every Democrat in Idaho tried to see Obama that day. It made for a crowd but there aren't many Democrats in Idaho. Democratic candidates that appeal to loyal Democratic minorities are a bad omen. Many of the people waiting in line were College students, fellow co-op members, peace activist and so on. These people have given us a string of valiant losers and I'm afraid they have found another one. I will follow the faithful and vote for the Democratic candidate but I wish we could be more pragmatic.

politicjock...well done.

Its always the same...Hillary is a liar, no she's not, yes she is.

How much more disgrace and dishonor do we need in the Presidency? Is everyone willing to look the other way conerning the Clinton Scandals? How much is enough....I don't care how much experience you have....is there line you can cross where you are banned from heaping any more embarrassment on the
White House? You would not tolerate that crap from your friends, family or people you work with....so why give them the highest position there is?

Wait for the scandal to hit...its coming. Hillary will pull something out on Obama, it will fit nicely with the sympathy vote she has going on right now. She will stand there innocently as the news roils the press saying 'I told you so...'. This lady is dirty, and will mud-sling until she's satisfied. If I were Obama, I would not turn my back on her, even with the lead.

You heard it here.....we are all just waiting for some scandal news to hit that implicates Obama...we have yet to see the real fireworks. With everything on the line, expect the Clintons to pull everything out.

I think the most important thing Politicjock said was that she claims to represent everyone...a woman of the people...yet she mocks entire party with her claims/demands to change the rules. When she sits down to re-educate the rules committee....watch her come out with a victory....and the whole country loses.

Here is what a vote for McCain means:

1. Support for the man who voted for the most lopsided bankruptcy bill in 2005. This bill essentially gave banks the freedom to pursue predatory lending practices with minimal accountability. Please read up on this bill before you cast your vote for McCain : http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/6/63144/06015

2. Bush-like ignorance of foreign policy.

3. Bush-like ignorance on economics.

There are many more things to consider objectively and dispassionately. Emotionally charged voting without considering the real issues is what happened in the last 2 elections. We (The US as we know it today) can't afford a third strike.

Does anyone ever think that maybe HRC staying in is a blessing in disguise? The sooner she drops out the sooner the Republican attack dogs focus on Obama. Possibly the longer she stays the greater our chances are in Nov.

So, let's check facts. Both candidates agree to abide by party rules in Michigan and Florida, then Hilary changes her mind and puts her name on the ballot, Obama does not. The message is that cheaters should continue to do so.

Hilary is behind in every single category; popular vote, states won, delegates, superdelegates and national polls. She is broke because no one is giving her money. Obama has a lower average donation than Hilary because he has nearly twice as many people giving him money since most of her money came from big donors. Why is no one on Hilary's team concerned about how many small business people she is taking advantage of. $20 million in debt is a lot of money which she can continue to deny but it is coming out of the pockets of regular people. She has no respect for anyone other than herself and has proven it time and time again.

Contrary to many here, this is not the closest campaign in history. At least six have been closer and in every one of those the losing candidate was behind in at least one of the aforementioned categories. It's fine. Let's go to the convention so Hilary can lose publicly and with no dignity. After all Bill has certainly lost his.

Are people REALLY surprised that AA voters all went over to Obama after Bill Clinton's comments in the South Carolina race? Come on now - Hill had much stronger support in the AA community before that time and the Clintons have always been beloved in the AA community - until Bill tried to completely marginalize Obama by using his race against him.

You can't pull that crap and then act surprised when it comes back to bite you. Sorry people - it's called reaping what you sow.

Let's get this straight: Obama is not an elitist.

Giving an opponent with a pejorative label is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Part two of that trick is to repeat it often enough - it then begins t have a life of its own. That's the trick that was used to link Saddam to terrorism and attack Iraq.

Obama was raised by a single mother of modest means, for crying out loud.
Hillary Clinton used another trick in the book - projection. To hide her elitism, she attributed Obama with that weakness and repeated it often enough. Her household made 109 million dollars over the last eight years - that would be unimaginably more than most of the poor, uneducated White folks who she says are her support base.

For the record, calling your own supporters "poor and uneducated" makes you an condescending elitist.

Politicjock, Your assesment sounds like you have no opinion of your own. Only the opinion that you heard on Cable news. It is truly sad that so many Obama supporters bring down his campaign by making this a divisive issue. They are both great candidates. They both have said things and have changed their rhetoric. So it confuses me why so many and mainly Obama supporters spend the whole time creating and feeding the political rhetoric while at the same time condemning the candidates for doing so. It is a nature of the beast but seriously there are other ways to look at it than what the Media tells us to. If you look at both of their actions you can see that at this point Obama and Hillary are playing together. Nothing said on either side has been that damaging. It is blown out of proportion. They are both now preaching the same tune of unity and support. This campaign shoudl continue because it is healthy democracy. Why does everyone make this into a bad thing. Sure there is name calling from Obama and Hillary on both sides but there is in any political race. Neither of the 3 candidates are ever able to say that they have not played the game. Don't be weak educated clones and only listen to what you hear or read, think outside of the book.

If Hillary is smart....she would go independant and then who wins???? this is what is happening!! if the superdelegates wanted obama to win (osama bin laden) they would have made him a winner already..but they are skeptical....hillary will let no one get over her nor will she be pushed around if president but on the other hand osama will be pushed around and be told how and when to make decisions....could this be from all of the dummies who are backing him...hmmmmm!!! as far as racism.....thank cnn and the rest of the media!! who cares about white or blacks? a vote is a vote!! "paul" you could not have said it better!! watch all hillary backers go republican or not vote!! what could be worse.....mccain (who is american) or osama who will destroy our country and is not american???? then all those who voted for him can pat themselves on the back or run for your life!!! GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!

In total agreement with this article. Clintons believe this election is their birth right . I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that they are playing the race card. After all, Bill Clinton was nick named first African american president.

J.P.
You believe ClintonLand is wanting to "change the rules," but wasn't it Obamamaniacs who started this refrain a long time ago: "Superdelegates shouldn't vote against the will of the people." The Obama camp began changing that rule -- superdelegates have an independent vote -- a loooonnnnnngggg time ago. We might not like THAT rule, but the automatic delegates--so-called superdelegates--CAN vote anyway they like. Unless peer pressured or politically motivated to do otherwise.

HillaryFan - you are absolutely despicable. You write like a 3rd grade Republican. And look what happened to them in Mississippi last night. It's people like you that give HRC supporters a bad name. Idiot.

Clinton has every right to stay in the race. The more you try stop our rights, the more you make us angry!

politicjock...well done.

Its always the same...Hillary is a liar, no she's not, yes she is.

How much more disgrace and dishonor do we need in the Presidency? Is everyone willing to look the other way conerning the Clinton Scandals? How much is enough....I don't care how much experience you have....is there line you can cross where you are banned from heaping any more embarrassment on the
White House? You would not tolerate that crap from your friends, family or people you work with....so why give them the highest position there is?

Wait for the scandal to hit...its coming. Hillary will pull something out on Obama, it will fit nicely with the sympathy vote she has going on right now. She will stand there innocently as the news roils the press saying 'I told you so...'. This lady is dirty, and will mud-sling until she's satisfied. If I were Obama, I would not turn my back on her, even with the lead.

You heard it here.....we are all just waiting for some scandal news to hit that implicates Obama...we have yet to see the real fireworks. With everything on the line, expect the Clintons to pull everything out.

I think the most important thing Politicjock said was that she claims to represent everyone...a woman of the people...yet she mocks entire party with her claims/demands to change the rules. When she sits down to re-educate the rules committee....watch her come out with a victory....and the whole country loses.

I have never found Quinnipiac polls to be that great. In fact most polls create more confusion than light. The polls that count show Obama with a near insurmountable lead. Those were the polls in the elections and caucuses.

Four years ago I thought Edwards would make a great running mate. This year I think that the winning candidate has such a good understanding of this country that he should chose the VP candidate. This idea of the people selecting the VP candidate is not good.

From all the comments I have read from Obama supporters, with their continued use of swears and malice, they seem to be the population in America who is uneducated!!!!

Because of the horrible attitudes and lack of just plain DECENCY online by Obama supporters, I really am thinking of not voting Obama come Nov if Hillary does not get the nomination.

I like how all the Obama supporters say Clinton supporters are uneducated morons, but lets look at the situation here. The country is in the worst shape it has been in lord knows how long, run by one of the worst administrations in history.

So our choices are an almost unknow inexperianced junior senator or someone who was part of an administration that had one of the largest economic expansions and peaceful times in the history of this country.

Please help educate me.

Hi Rebecca...with all due respect, perhaps you haven't read much on here. Most of the hate is coming from HRC supporters. Just do a search for Hillaryfan (ctrl-f) or for "osama" and see what I mean.

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. The hate is coming out with a vengeance from the sore losers in Clinton's camp.

Btw...hate to break it to you, but the race is over. She already lost. She lost in February when she lost 11 states in a row, including such notable "white" states as Minnesota, Wisconsin, Washington and Maine. Why couldn't Hillary win those states?

Elitist? I like this phrase. Honestly though, isn't anyone who feels they are better qualified than 300 million other Americans to be the President of this country - by definition - an Elitist.

Experience? Washington - what experience did he have to qualify him as President? Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson? What were their credentials to qualify them as Experienced for the job? Following these "founders" the United States has had many "experienced" Presidents. Like Buchanan, Wilson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush (part II). What did their "experience" get the U.S.? Civil War, failed Foreign policy, continuation of Vietnam & Watergate, Massive U.S. Debt, NAFTA, and too much to label.

Do we really need another President that has the right amount of Experience to screw up the country further. It is the lack of Experience in the Political Games, a person that hasn't be so twisted by this corrupted version of Representative Democracy, that has the potential to get behind changes.

This election should not be about Race or Sex. Excellent, our country has finally come far enough (at least the parts that believe in equality, liberty, and the ability for a person to rise above their birth station) that some parties have something other than a "White Male Christian" as their candidate. Lets move past that. The President needs to be restored to the position as outlined in the Constitution.

We need the government out of our life. We need our rights returned as citizens. We the country to be about the people. Not the corporate interests. Not various about holding office. Not about furthering a personal agenda, party, or religion.

The purpose of the Federal government is to represent the will of its people in Foreign issues, keep the rules of the states in line - so that we have United States, not United Countries, and to protect the country in time of external invasion.

A President that is for that is, that reads and understands the Preamble to the Constitution and understands it and the various Articles of the Constitution, is the President America needs.

Unfortunately, that person isn't running for office. However, in their absence, we need to pick the President that is closest. I'm not asking people to back a particular president - but I'm hoping people choose a President based on the requirements of the job, not based on some party interest, color, religion, creed, name, or association with other individuals.

Close your eyes, and open your mind.

All I have to say is if American wanted Obama to be the candidate he would have been a long time ago. He would have won the big states that went to Clinton. He would have delivered the coup de grace on the Texas and Ohio primaries.

Its hard to unite such a diverse party together when nearly half of the party is split between Obama and Clinton. If Obama had 2/3 of the support from the Democratic voters we wouldnt be in this problem.

The media shows Clinton lagging behind but Obama isnt making much strides. The superdelegates are only trying to speed this up by eventually pledging delegates to the one with this most support - which is only marginal at best.

Obama only gets my vote if he can prove that he can unite a majority of the Democratic party under one banner. He has yet to do this.

Hilary will not be President, can you believe it Bill! No more White House and no more interns. The Clintons are products of the disheartening brand of politics that has gone on too long in America. While loyal democrats are having a hard time letting go of the idea another Clinton era more and more Americans are standing up for change. Hope is the future, without hope there is no change. This back and forth business every 4 to 8 years is a waste of time, and a waste of tax payer money. Let us as Americans commit to making this a better country and break the gridlock cycle. Our soldiers need a leader with their best interest in mind. Our children need a leader with their best interest in mind. McCain offers little if any change to Bush's failed policy and arrogant imperialism. OBAMA 08

go hillary,. obama doesnt seem like a experience candidate. qualified maybe but experience no. he's weak. i rather have a strong one than a weak one

After discounting obvious board trolls, the divisive accusatory rants of White racism against people supporting Senator Clinton by supposed people of color, and White’s who hate Hillary, merely encourages my growing conviction that many Black and White voters truly don’t understand or respect the political process. If this divisiveness continues the chasm between the races and genders could escalate and harm the nation for a long time. And that would not only be sad, but disgusting. I support Hillary, and I will until she's disenfranchised by the Democratic Party elites. Then I'll do some serious meditating on whether to follow through with switching over to the dark side and vote for McCain. I prefer someone who is a known quantity, not someone who has been foisted on voters by Ophra and Teddy Kennedy.

I'm sorry, I'm somehow missing the point regarding the argument about if Hillary should drop out. Can someone explain to me this concept? Is it that the voters in the remaining states to have a primary should not have their votes matter? Or is the concept that whomever is behind before the election is over should quit? Does that rule apply in November? Should the candidate who is behind on Labor Day just quit the presidential race?

I see a lot of comments that Clinton is trying to change the rules at the last minute and get Michigan and Florida delegates seated. If that is wrong, then it is also wrong not to play by the rules of finishing the primary elections process.

There are three weeks left until the last primaries are done. This is not going to hurt Barack Obama - his polls vs. John McCain regarding his ability to win in November have not changed over the last few months, so the concept that a longer Democratic primary process will somehow hurt six months from now does not make sense. What are his supporters actually afraid will happen in the next three weeks until the final primaries are completed?

Hey Obama fans! The numbers are in your favor! Quit complaining!

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then she'd have won the nomination months ago. duh.
the only proof you need that clinton is not more electable is the fact that she's not getting elected. It's obvious. That's why we have primary campaigns.

Go Clinton, show them your toughness. Tear up the Dem party if you have to in order to prove them you are the strongest one to beat da Cain. Aint no obama is gonna be no president, do you get it ? If obama was the strongest nominee then why couldn't he beat Clinton in those swing states ? with all the money he has raised and outspent Clinton from the beginning of the race, and he still can't beat her ? something is seriously wrong here. Pastor Wright spoke the truth about obama did he not ? The fight will go on and the Republicans see all the weaknesses from the Dems party and guess what ? they will use those to attack the Dems in the general election. obama would be too easy for McCain to beat. i don't think obama have that strength to beat McCain. Clinton does. Vote for Clinton.

Yes, Clinton has every right to stay in the race but she does NOT have every right to change the rules and she does NOT have every right to destroy the Democratic Party in the process.

I just don't get these white feminist women who would rather lose their right to choose than vote for a black man. All Obama supporters are pro-women. In fact the insiders are all whispering about the best female for the job of VP and one day President...Kathleen Sebelius. New Yorker's don't shine well across the country. Just look at Gulliani- dead out the gate. We need some heartland on our side! Go Kathleen!!! PS Yankee's suck!

Folks, this is how the democratic process is meant to work. Many primary races have been close and never damaged their party in the general election. We are certainly dealing with a press corps more dedicated to propaganda and untruths than to the facts. Seems to me that That Fact is what everyone should be upset about right now. The truth is, this is a close race. All Democrats are entitled to express their opinion at the polls. Only then should a decision about which candidate will face McCain be made. At the convention all will be decided, just like our founding fathers intended. The system works. The press, let us not forget, is controlled by Republican interests. Do you really think listening to them is in your best interest? Time to think.

The primaries and caucuses are when the hard-core Democrats and Republicans turn out. Most folks just wait for November. I can't believe no one has realized the CLEAR MESSAGE being communicated by the number of people turning out this early in the process to vote FOR Obama or AGAINST Hillary. She thought she would have the nomination bagged by Super Tuesday. Guess what? A lot of us remember the last Clinton administration. Honest to God, I am SICK TO DEATH of being ashamed of my president. Yes, I'm ashamed of Bush for different reasons than Bill & Hillary, but just once I'd like someone in office whose morals and standards could be an example we could all aspire to. Instead we're stuck with one liar and cheater after another.

Why is it so amazing think that the guy who's selling Hope and Change is going to win in a landslide? I don't care if he's purple with pink wings. I'm tired of 20+ years of Clinton and Bush presidents whose selfishness and greed are destroying this country. ENOUGH ALREADY! I'm voting for the guy whose campaign is being funded in RECORD AMOUNTS by average Americans like me who are SICK of whiskey-swilling, duck-killing, sniper-ducking out-of-touch multi-millionaires pretending they give a damn about anyone who makes less than a million dollars a year.

As far as age and experience go, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and Don Rumsfeld have tons of age and experience. None of it resulted in wisdom. No one running for president is going to be ready on day one unless they are already the president and are being re-elected. Obama has more ELECTED experience than Clinton. He also has the SAME amount of experience as Abe Lincoln.

What we have in our political system isn't working. McCain and Hillary have had most of their adult lifetimes to step up and be great. Neither of them are, in a political sense. There is a reason Obama has rocketed onto the scene out of obscurity. He's a natural leader. The other two are not. He wants to make REAL change to our political system. The other two do not. He wants to get things DONE in Washington to provide relief to the middle and lower classes who are suffering economically and whose children are feeding the war machine. I think McCain cares about these things, but he is out of touch. Hillary...if it isn't going to benefit Bill & HIllary, she doesn't care about it. She has proved this over and over and over again. If she can get some glory, it might happen. I don't want my health and wealth to depend on how much glory Hillary can glean from my suffering.

I am sick of the Clintons. They are liars and thieves, and if anyone still thinks they're electable in November, you're crazy. (Yes, I mean THEY since THEY are a package deal). If anyone thinks Clinton should be in the VP spot with Obama, then I would not lay odds on Obama living a long life. There are way too many "odd" and "suspicious" deaths already in their closets. I really find it unbelievable that she has managed to get this far in the election, although Obama has not brought up everything the Republicans would, if she got the nomination. McCain was a great war hero. That does not mean he will be a great president. Still, against a Clinton, he'd be a winner. Not so against a guy selling Hope.

Hillary is as fake as they come. She doesn't even make any bones about how fake she is. I can't believe people are being sucked in by her lies. Things like a gas tax holiday? Really? Guess what? I live in Minnesota. My daughter crossed the 35w bridge 10 minutes before it collapsed. Guess what those gas taxes pay for that she is LYING about when she says the oil companies will pay for? Not that she has enough pull to make George W. repeal that tax this summer. She's just saying she wants to give you a tax break so you'll vote for her. And then you will never see that tax break. Just like you will never see any of the other things she's promising. She's a liar. She will say anything to get elected. How does that not compute????

Wake up. Our country is going to hell, and Bill & Hillary had a big hand in propelling it in this direction. They are NOT the answer.

Clinton Supporters: Barack Obama only wins because of racist black people who won't vote for white people! lol!

The Facts: Clinton had over 50% of the black vote before South Carolina. Black people make up less than 15% of the country. If he was only popular because of blacks, he still wouldn't stand a chance. Most black people are making up their minds based on Obama's positions and character - the latter of which the Clintons clearly lack. 2 in 10 white people in West Virginia said they would not vote for a black man. His campaign offices have been vandalized with racial slurs written on them. Furthermore, Hillary overwhelmingly wins women. So I guess it's OK for women to vote for a candidate because she's a woman but wrong for black people to vote for a candidate who is HALF black? The double standard is ridiculous and disappointing.

Clinton Supporters: OMG! Obama can never win a general election! Yes she will!

The Facts: This is the same Barack Obama who could never win the Democratic Primary either - allegedly. Clinton, her supporters, the party, and all the media had practically crowned her coronation from the outset. How did that turn out for you? The reality is that John McCain barely has any support from his own party's conservative base. Ron Paul supporters, libertarians, and many true conservatives will be uninspired to support him and either vote third party or stay home. On the other hand, nothing energizes the Republicans like the opportunity to attack a Clinton. Putting her on the ticket (even as VP) is a sure way to bring all her negatives (sitting at over 50%) to bear and turn out GOP voters in record numbers.

Is McCain really so strong a candidate? Do you really think Obama can't beat him when the media and campaign ads start playing clips of McCain talking about 100 years of Iraq, admitting he doesn't understand the economy, and his numerous foreign policy gaffes? 80% of the country thinks the nation is headed in the wrong direction - and most of them lay the blame squarely on Bush and the Republicans. In debates we'll have an old white man standing next to a young, handsome, charistmatic black man. Even the white racists won't be able to stop the flood to Obama.

He has set records in fundraising and mobilized hundreds of thousands of new Democratic voters. Hillary's assertion that her wins in California and New York make her more electable are meaningless, as it is an utter fallacy that any democrat won't carry both states in the general election. The swing states are important, and that's where Obama has handily outperformed Clinton.

I imagine an Obama presidency will run much like his campaign: well organized, frugal, and with a minimum of bickering. Look at Hillary's campaign: riddled in debt, characterized by internal strife, with a lack of any clear direction until it's too late. Is that the sort of administration you'd like to see? Obama will win in November, you're deluding yourself if you believe otherwise.

Clinton Supporters: Obama is an elitist! He doesn't identify with my core redneck values!

The Facts: It is pretty ironic that Clinton supporters can label Obama an elitist when Clinton and her husband have made over $109 million since his exit from the White House. Obama and his family just recently finished paying off their college loans. Also, when was the last time Obama was able to loan his campaign $20 million from his own personal fortune? His family's net worth is less than half that.

Obama is half white. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a black man, vote for the white half. The press and Clinton's supporters have taken to labelling Obama's supporters "latte liberals." Although I am educated, I'm white, registered as an independent, and I've never had a latte in my life. There are plenty of intelligent poor people too, and most of them went for Obama. It's not really about attitude, but education.

Clinton Supporters: Obama cheated because he didn't count Florida and Michigan! He stole the nomination!

The Facts: Senator Obama had nothing to do with the DNC's decision to strip both Florida and Michigan of their delegates - a decision firmly supported by Hillary Clinton until it became apparent she would need their votes to have a chance at the nomination. Even if the popular vote from both states were counted (while Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan), most estimates place him narrowly ahead in the popular vote and still ahead in delegates.

Michigan and Florida may eventually be seated in some modified format, but they will NEVER be assigned as is.

Clinton Supporters: Hillary can still win! Fight fight fight on! Fight Fight... win ... fight... what?

The Facts: It is a mathematical impossibility for Hillary to win enough delegates in the remaining contests to overtake Obama. The superdelegates have nearly zero chance of overturning the will of the public, which has preferred Obama by every measure. The only way Clinton can possibly win is if she has Obama covertly assassinated, which I do not put past her frankly. She is not staying in and acculumating more campaign debt because she can win enough delegates and votes in the remaining contests, she is staying in the race in the hopes that something miraculous will happen to remove the obstruction that is Barack Obama.

I guess since Clinton supporters can't do math and most of her supporters are women, the Clinton campaign is condoning the old stereotype that women can't do math. I for one won't tolerate this kind of sexism from the Clinton campaign, and I hope she stops demeaning women soon.

I voted for Clinton as did my family, but we live in Florida, whose primary was moved up by a Republican dominated legislature, so my vote has been taken away from me, which gives me a pretty good reason to support a war within my own party.

THE FACT IS THAT OVER 90% OF BLACKS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA, AND THAT MEANS THERE IS A HIGH PORTION OF THAT PERCENTAGE THAT ARE VOTING ON SKIN COLOR ALONE; THIS IS WHAT SOME WHITE DEMOCRATS HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT. IT WOULD BE NICE IF NOONE VOTED FOR SKIN COLOR,BUT IN THIS CASE AN UNEQUAL AMOUNT ARE VOTING SKIN COLOR; WHICH CAUSES THE RACE ISSUE TO GROW AND ALTER TURNOUTS. THAT BEING SAID, THE POLLS LISTED HERE DON'T MATTER THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE COUNT SYSTEM IS WHAT ELECTS OUR PRESIDENTS,AND OBAMA IS LOSING TO MCCAIN WHILE CLINTON BEATS MCCAIN. I AM (WAS) A DEMOCRAT,BUT AFTER WATCHING THE PARTY COMPLETELY DROP THE BALL AND NOT PUT FORTH A CANDIDATE THAT CAN WIN THE ELECTORAL VOTE FOR THE PAST THREE ELECTIONS -I WILL NO LONGER VOTE PERIOD.

Those who are asking why Obama can't close the deal shoud instead be asking why Clinton couldn't close the deal. Obama's is the story of David and Goliath. Hillary and Bill had the DNC in their pocket. Every Democrat of note owed them a favor. They're a brand name known across the country among voters and they were supposedly well-liked among Democratic voters.

Then along comes this nobody and Humpty Dumpty crumbles like a cheap house of cards. This guy is that once-in-a-lifetime politician who just might be called one of our greatest presidents, if Hillary "Tonya Harding" Clinton doesn't kneecap him out of the race. He has inspired people who never get involved to get involved in record numbers. Imagine what will happen if that inspiration continues to grow? If we all begin to rally around our country and its core vaues again rather than go out and shop to support the war?

I hope it happens.

The question for Democrats and others concerned with the Democratic Party primary is then this — do you really want to let the worst-educated, least-knowledgeable and most bigotry-prone components of the voting pool (including those who stubbornly insist that Obama is a Muslim) control the direction of the party to the point of overriding the outcome in pledged delegates? Do you really want to give Hillary Clinton a pass in regards to her ignorantly racist supporters that you would never give to Obama in regards to Rev. Wright? And do you really want to say, as Hillary media proxy Paul Begala did, that a coalition that includes well-educated “eggheads” is somehow a bad thing?

Democrats used to promote education as a virtue to the point even of wanting to ridiculously overspend government dollars on it at every opportunity. But now a large part of the party obstinately insists that the educated are those that should be sneered at and ignored. In short, they have embraced the anti-intellectualism long present on the far right. And none of Hillary’s supporters seem to mind.

The question for Democrats and others concerned with the Democratic Party primary is then this — do you really want to let the worst-educated, least-knowledgeable and most bigotry-prone components of the voting pool (including those who stubbornly insist that Obama is a Muslim) control the direction of the party to the point of overriding the outcome in pledged delegates? Do you really want to give Hillary Clinton a pass in regards to her ignorantly racist supporters that you would never give to Obama in regards to Rev. Wright? And do you really want to say, as Hillary media proxy Paul Begala did, that a coalition that includes well-educated “eggheads” is somehow a bad thing?

Democrats used to promote education as a virtue to the point even of wanting to ridiculously overspend government dollars on it at every opportunity. But now a large part of the party obstinately insists that the educated are those that should be sneered at and ignored. In short, they have embraced the anti-intellectualism long present on the far right. And none of Hillary’s supporters seem to mind.

I only deal in facts.
At one of the last democratic debates, Ms. Clinton stated emphatically and at.. some length, that the most important goal of the democratic candidates and the party MUST be to unite in the effort to defeat John McCain and avoid another republican term in the Presidency.
How can it be that she cannot see the division this tenacious hanging on by the skin of her teeth is causing in the very party she espouses.

I am a registered independent and intend to keep an open mind until I have all the CORRECT info about all candidates(or untill I enter the voting booth) we all know which that will be. But I have to keep trying.

I must say that some of the biased animosity I read in this blog makes me wonder
how open some of your minds are.

Like Bush with the Iraq war , Hillary won't quit due to money, control and sheer stubborness. It's sad Hillary uses her power for sinister means, to divide people and try to change the rules to suit her own ambitions. What a dreadful leader she would have been!

Democrats used to promote education as a virtue to the point even of wanting to ridiculously overspend government dollars on it at every opportunity. But now a large part of the party obstinately insists that the educated are those that should be sneered at and ignored. In short, they have embraced the anti-intellectualism long present on the far right. And none of Hillary’s supporters seem to mind.

So, George, everyone with a vagina is supposed to vote for Hillary? Sorry, I don't roll that way.

Well, George John P, sorry to hear that you can't bring yourself to vote for a black man. There aren't any substantive policy differences between Barak and Hillary, so your decision to sit home on election day is obviously not based on the issues. Don't whine because you don't have the strength to put an "X" in the box next to the black man's name.

Why are we letting the Clintons dominate American politics for all these years? This is very un-American. Time for a change, please.

Not all feminists support Clinton. Many are embarrassed by her tactics and methods and may be feeling that Obama better represents the type of consciousness they wish Clinton had. Naral just endorsed Obama. True many feminists want a woman president more than anything else. But supposing that what the divine feminine means is Wisdom, Love, Courage, Mirth, Warmth, the only one I can see in Clinton is Courage and that is very clouded by recklessness and denial, which are not so much part of courage as they are driven by fear. Courage is about Heart. Obama's doing better at all those feminist values, better at Empathy too. So it goes.

hey...Hope I Can Afford To Retire In America....Awesome post.

Someone also wrote that they were sick of being 'embarrassed' by their president.

You never hear Clinton supports admitting that the Clinton Presidency was an embarrassment to the country...the lies and scandal, and that there is no out of bounds for them...personally, professionaly, legally.

I am shocked that Anyone can honestly state in public that Hillary deserves a chance to be President! Her Campaign is broke, not well run and losing. She paid too much for key players early on...lost the campaign manager...this is over a 18 month period!! Did she not have enough time to plan? No.

She absolutely underestimated the situation. Now she is playing every card she can find, race...tears on CNN with Wolf Blitzer...the works. We are the laughing stock of the world to consider this scam artist as our President.

I read that many people think this is a racist contest. Do you know how many whities also voted for Obama, I don't know exactly but I am sure more than african americans. Stick that in your lying angered ways.

o scam a has nothing to offer but empty speeches. he has no qualifications. zilch! he is trying to reinvent himself as hillary.

I am a registered voter in Florida. I would like to know who told us to vote in the early primary in the first place. We as citizens were only following the rules of what we were told to do. This so called "committee" that had us vote early should be ashamed. There are millions of people in Florida who want their vote to count. It was not OUR fault that we were told to vote early. I am sure this also pertains to Michigan.

Senator Clinton not only has the right -- but the RESPONSIBILITY to continue on the presidential primary campaign. Senator Obama has been given easy access to the nomination by the media. He is untested and will crumble under attack from the Republican Attack Machine (RAM). If the Democratic Party leadership is smart it will nominate BOTH of them, as presidential and vice-presidential running mates. Separately, Clinton and Obama have major political weaknesses; but together they complement each other in the strongest terms possible. This Dream Ticket is the Republican's worst nightmare, because it will sweep the country in the national election. Of course, the GOP supporters will do everything they can to discourage and extinguish the possibility of a Democratic Dream Team.

Well, what do the "rank and file" mean to the DNC? Not much these days. The Democratic Party didn't forget its roots; it's announcing it doesn't need them. Time for a new party to replace this one. A party that includes us all. Hillary, if you don't get this nomination, run as an Independent. You have my lifelong Democratic vote.

Penny Markowitz said:
"We as citizens were only following the rules of what we were told to do. This so called "committee" that had us vote early should be ashamed. There are millions of people in Florida who want their vote to count. It was not OUR fault that we were told to vote early. I am sure this also pertains to Michigan."

Actually, Penny, it *IS* your fault (not yours, personally, but yours the citizens/voters of Florida). It is your elected representives, both Democrat and Republican, that decided almost unanimously to hold the elections early. They are your voice. If they are not doing what you want, you need to let them know - they are very responsive to your desires, since that's what keeps them in office. If you are angry, let them know it in the next election. There was no "committee". It was you, the voters of Florida, through your elected representatives.

Krash said:
"I voted for Clinton as did my family, but we live in Florida, whose primary was moved up by a Republican dominated legislature, so my vote has been taken away from me, which gives me a pretty good reason to support a war within my own party."

Not sure I follow your logic. If you think the Republican's took away your right to vote, why do you want to reward them with a war within the Democratic party?

Do you really know Obama?

Did you know he is strongly anti-american.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

What is so odd to me about Obama supporters and their ridicule of Hillary and her supporters is that they act as though Obama has the nomination wrapped up without the super delegates. There is no way, barring some SERIOUS miracle that he gets the nomination w/o super delegates. It is clear that the party is COMPLETELY split over what direction we should take.

I understand Obama supporters desire to paint WV voters and being white and uneducated. The lopsided win is a message. There is work to be done. Significant work. The arrogance of a campaign for president that writes off electoral votes astounds me. I don't know how many times lately I have heard the Obama camp say, "we don't need WV to win the election". WHAT? Where are these 5 votes going to come from? How are we rewriting the strategy? I can assure the Obama campaign that states that have been solidly blue for some time (my MN for example) have a VERY good likelihood of ending up in McCain's column this election cycle. There is a significant voting bloc in this country that are poor, white and uneducated. I am not willing to surrender these voters to the GOP. They belong in the Democratic party just as much as any other poor uneducated voters. It is only WITH these voters that we can win the landslide that we need. It will not do to have a razor thin election. We need the mandate of a landslide to shock the GOP into working with us in changing the direction of this country. We cannot achieve this by writing off a significant bloc of Democratic leaning voters and sending them the message that we do not care if they are with us.

Hillary - Keep fighting.

So the dummos favor McCain ?????

I thought Hill-Rod had the stupid vote cornered.

Can you spell Malignant Narcissism? I can.
O-b-a-m-a

Can you spell defeat in November? I can.
O-b-a-m-a

Can you spell ruthlessly politically expedient and dishonest? I can.
O-b-a-m-a

Can you spell traitor to every mentor, friend and supporter who thrust him into power? I can.
O-b-a-m-a

It is a dangerous thing indeed to support Obama. If you aren't sure, ask Alice Palmer, Anthony Resko, William Ayers or Reverend Wright.

Well Obama can always take a vacation while Hillary Clinton finishes the primaries. Objectively, I just don't see the rationale for Clinton dropping out. The only objective from the Democratic party’s point of view would be to save Obama face from looking bad in some of the remaining states. Better that he looks bad now than during general election. In any case, I think there are still lots that we don't know about Obama. He hasn't been fully vetted over the extensive Rezko corruption scandal and MSM should do its job now before it is too late to reverse course. Nor is his relationship with Ayers fully explained. There may be more to that also than what Obama claimed. So better get this all straightened out before the Democrats lose again to the Republicans in November.

Mandelay said:
"The Democratic Party didn't forget its roots; it's announcing it doesn't need them."

The Democratic Party isn't announcing anything. Democratic VOTERS are announcing that they prefer Obama as their candidate. That's why he's winning the nomination.

The party is split. But a win by a nose is still a win. So let's move on (and yes, I'd still say the same thing if the positions were reversed and Clinton was ahead by 160 delegates).

Hillary's story of the "dead woman" who voted for her on her deathbed at the hospice was about as disgusting a thing the Clinton's have done. She intimated that the woman had scored some kind of legacy for herself by that vote. There is no tasteless place the Clinton's won't stoop.

Hah, sunny, you said Obama is racist? Against who? He's half white and half black? Your statements made me laugh. "...droves of democrats will leave the party if Obama is the nominee" So you'll become a republican then? Is that how you deal with the nomination process? Go for it. As an independent, I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee. As an independent, I will vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee. I'm tired of the Clintons, who in my opinion are much more elitist than Obama.

EDWARDS TO ENDORSE OBAMA

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. - Democrat John Edwards is endorsing former rival Barack Obama, fresh signs of the party establishment embracing the likely nominee even as Hillary Rodham Clinton refuses to give up her long-shot candidacy.

I think that Hillary proved without a doubt that not every democrat thinks that Barack walks on water. Maybe he doesn't need those votes and so the Barack supporters should continue to bash those voters as lowly uneducated white voters that are racist. Let's be clear here. Barack is being supported by the youth vote in a big way because they DON'T WANT ANY WARS NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. They believe entirely on diplomacy which you can see from Jimmy Carter's trip to snuggle up to Hamas that getting the rockets to stop being launched into Israel was ignored. Youth is extremely naive and so they should be. They have not lived long enough to realize that every generation believes the older generation caused the wars. Wars will be a part of life till the last breath a human takes.

if this was turned around and clinton was ahead of obama the Demorcratic would have already asked Obama to get out of the race. They are scared to step on her toes. i say put the nail in her door and stop this bickering. i also am a republician and my wife and all my friends i know who will be voting for Obama. I belive most of this crap on these blogs are hillarys paid staff posting over and over trying to control everyone who is not for her.

Sometimes I find it still so hard to believe that a large portion of americans can be fooled. Clinton supporters have convinced themselves that it is Obama and his supporters who have played dirty, told lies and attacked thier canidate. This is just the reverse of what actually happened, it has been Clinton supporters who have been down right hateful, they lie, they attack, I'm not by any means saying all of her supporters, but a good chunk of them. This is really sad, we are looking at so much that we will have to deal with, so many things are on the line and yet it's all about attack attack attack. This is shameful, I have even heard so many of her supporters say that they will vote for Mcbush, if any of her supporters do this then they deserve what ever will come which will be, more wars no more America, more robbing of the country for the extreme rich who by the way get passes on paying taxes. More dumming down of our children and adults, the dollar being worth zero, more forclosures, gays persercuted, roe v wade reversed, people going hungry and just about the worst that you can imagine. This is what her supporters are willing to do to make their canidate win, why? She is not truthful or trustworthy, what makes you think she will have your best intrest? By her recent crazy statements she appears to be prowar as well. Wake up please!! Don't be fooled again and don't think for a min that she will be welcomed, the only way for her to win is to cheat, George Bush did that (remember)? I know I have said some harse things about some of her supporters as well as Clinton, but I have not lied it is all true, we must stop fighting with each other we must come together to clean house in Washington and get the crooks out of there... We can not afford to be asleep behind the wheel again, we must be proactive and come together and send a message, now I do also realize some of her supporters simply hate black people, that is too bad, blacks have done nothing to warrent this, but it's here... I'm concerned if we don't open our eyes and come together life will get much worse for a lot of us, that means you and me...

Can someone tell me where Hillary is going to get the money to run a campaign for the general election? I am curious.

I don't agree with the suggestion that blacks are voting for Obama just because he is black. They vote because they believe he is qualified and has a vision for this country. Otherwise, you would've seen 90% of blacks vote for Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes in the primaries. And funny no one seems to be satisfied with Obama; some suggest he's not black enough and some say he's too black. Anyway, it's sad to see in this day and age that people are voting against the candidates because of the color of his/her skin or his/her gender without knowing where the candidates stand on the issues. We're smarter than that, aren't? I would like to think so.

To all those who don't have it clear yet why Obama will be the better president: READ HIS BOOK. Read "The Audacity of Hope" in which he clearly and sensibly explains his stance on every single issue that matters to people who live in this country. Compare that to what Hillary laid out in her book. You'll be surprised, and I'll be surprised if after reading both books you won't come to the conclusion that only one of the two candidates has integrity, self-awareness, common sense and good judgement, all of which still trumps experience.

Bill Clinton also got something like 90% of the black vote (remember him being the "first black president"?). It's not a race thing; they feel like Barack is being treated unfairly.

It's exactly the same kind of feeling that had people all over the world flying American flags right after 9-11. If someone disrespects you, you don't put up with that crap, and you support anyone who you feel is being unfairly attacked.

If they ever start lynching white people, then I will call it racism. Mind you, I'm as white as they come.

Yael: You need spelling lessons.

This is the part I hate.American people have, once again, let themselves be distracted from the real issues while they digress to playing the race card! This is so ridiculous when gas is so high and food puts a dent in the budget. All we talk about is voting for a candidate because of the color of their skin. This really makes me sad. This is a year the democrats should walk away with the White House but once again we have found a way to pick apart our own party and give mcCain a free pass. What is wrong with people. No wonder we hate our government - we vote against our interest. we vote on gossip and inuendo and before you know it we have another Bush and then we whine for 4 years. We have got to have some of the craziest people on the planet. I will be ahppy when this nation matures and starts thinking politically.

For me this is a no brainer. Hillary Clinton should stay in the race. If Mr Obama gets the nomination I will vote for John McCain and wait another four years for Hillary Clinton to come back. There is nothing in the world that would get me to vote for Mr Obama. I'm disgusted by the way she is being bullied by her own party and for the first time in my life I don't have any pride in being a Democrat. Make that ex-Democrat. I have had it.

If Clinton got into office and raised education and income levels, what would happen to her base?

Another thought: Anti-Obama people could just write in Michael Richards.

The Clintons the are liars, they play dirty and they are manipulative. I can still see Bill's face when he went on National Television and said.."I did not have sexual relations with..." And, what about "Whitewater." And, what happened to the previous "National Heathcare Plan" she never got off the ground. Or, what about Clinton almost being Impeached. Wow...what an Administration! I surely would want those people back in the White House...."NOT"!!! So, how can HRC manage the Nation's budget, economy, etc. when she failed at smaller task...uggg isn't[ her campaign is in debt! Why should I trust her judgement in selecting "qualfied" people and advisers when she couldn't.managed her own campaign. So...perhaps we should ask for clarification when she claims to be more experience...in what?..being a liar, going into debt. And...her smiles aren't even genuine. Is it so hard to believe that there are people , like Obama, who are, "on the real"..."on the up-and-up," hoot straight from the hip and don't have a hidden agenda. And perhaps he just doesn't want to wear a "flag pin" because it will puncture his suit/tie or perhaps it just didn't match his outfit! It boggles me how HRC claims to be an "experienced" President....since when can we piggyback or lists our spouse's previous job on our resume!

obama is a cross between mussolini and chavez. all promises and words. he will do anything to get to the top. he is the best candidate to split this country as he already done with the democratic party. the good part that he has no chance to win.

as a white american born half christian half muslam I am really ashamed of some americans including some media. I always thought americans have an equal rights with disreguard to their origin; age, color. gender and religion. May be I am wrong most americans are rasist and could not admit it. for lake of courrage and honesty

The Clinton years were not good for Democrats.. But they were great for the Clintons, 109 million dollars worth. But to achieve this, the Clintons put their interests ahead of the Party and the Amercian public.

Bill was in office from 1992-2000. In 1994 Democrats lost the majority in the House for the first time in 40 years. When Clinton was first elected, Democrats held 57 Senate seats. In 1994 the number dropped to 47, a 50-year low. From 1997 to 2000 the Democrats held forty-five Senate seats. The party is only now beginning to recover.

On the state level, in 1993 Democratic governors outnumbered Republicans by 30 to 18 with 2 independents. After the 94 election only 17 states had Democrat-controlled legislatures. You have to go back to 1952 to find Democratic power at a lower ebb in state government. In 1998, Jeb Bush defeated the Democratic opponent Lt. Governor Buddy MacKay to win the Florida Governorship. Depending on one’s view, it can be argued that election lead to W’s 2000 presidency.

In a year when we should trounce the GOP, Clintons would rather see Obama's war chest wasted on defending himself or KRC's attempt to drive his negatives up. Typicly Clinton.

I've had more than my fill of both. Clinton's signing of the Welfare Reform act in 1996 is when I left the party. To Stop Hillary, I had to register as a Dem to vote in Oregon's primary. We've had enough of the Bush/Clinton families sense o entitlment.

W

As usual the survey left out the only real candidate for the job as president, RON PAUL. The media has used their powers to try and delete any mention of RON PAUL and in doing so they have created three useless monsters,fascists hyped up by scandals and disinfo.

Just vote for RON PAUL in 2008 if you want to see a real change.

I respect the campaign Sen. Obama has run. I am impressed with the depth of his positions on issues. In my opinion, Obama's positions on issues like social security and health care stand a better chance of passing. His positions on the housing crisis and financial turbulence are economically more sound, and his policies on education are more original and geared to actually obtaining better results.

I am impressed with the organization he has put together both at the top and at the grass roots level. He has found a combination of young and seasoned professionals who have campaigned hard, but with a remarkable amount of discipline and restraint when faced with the kind of personal attacks, smears and innuendo from a variety of quarters.

It is instructive to note that there have been relatively few criticisms against policies he supports, or the campaign people he has surrounded himself with.

His financial campaign is broad-based, remains solvent, and generates the kind of on-going support that only a high quality and consistent set of messages could appeal to.

His message and themes are consistent. From the beginning of his campaign Obama has consistently been the same person. His personal experiences have given him perspectives that few people have. He is incredibly well educated in Ivy League schools and he has a wealth of experiences as a community organizer in Chicago. No other candidate has the recent hands-on experience that Sen. Obama has.

Personally he has run a campaign with dignity, with purpose, with financial efficiency and with integrity. His message has been consistent, and his refusal to engage in gutter politics and his choice to remain above the fray is awesome and worthy of admiration.

I think a campaign is a precursor to the kind of administration the candidate will preside over. Obama has demonstrated that he can surround himself with great people who share his goals for more open, more accessible government. He has positions on issues that can be enacted into law. He stresses the factors that tend to unite us, rather than appealing to the more divisive aspects of our character.

He certainly has shown that he can manage money. He has asked us to engage in a great national debate on a variety of issues, and he has listened to what we have to say. Every element about Sen. Obama and his campaign builds upon our collective past and points toward a brighter future for us all. Just my thoughts on this Wednesday afternoon.

My fellow Americans. We have a chance to change what is happening in this country. Us. Average Americans. Not the heads of health care companies. Not the heads of war profiteering companies. Not the heads of nations that want to use us or take our jobs. Not the 'elite' smarties in Washington who THINK we are a bunch of two-year olds who don't know what's best for us. Not the politicians who have sold their souls to the people who want to use and abuse us. WE can take control of our destiny. WE can be the change we've been waiting for. WE can stop throwing the same old bums back in office and let the ones already there know that WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.

For anyone who thinks it's just crazy to talk to or negotiate with nations that control our oil supply because their values are different from ours...and don't think the Middle East situation is about anything but oil at its heart.... Remember, those who do not study history are bound to repeat its mistakes. In two THOUSAND years of conflict between the Christians and Muslims, the Christians have not conquered the Muslims for anything more than *very* brief periods of time at tremendous loss of life. Have we learned NOTHING from the Cusades? Hint: They cost vast fortunes and countless lives, and the West never won any territory for more than a few years, and usually only for months. On the other hand, the Venetians controlled virtually all trade between the Christian west and Muslim east for about 500 years...by negotiating. No wars. Just sitting down and talking. What a concept!

Of course, first you have to find people who are reasonable human beings who are in positions of authority. Yes, the Middle Eastern countries have fringe nuts in high-level positions...same as we do. I can't believe some of our clerics who think Katrina or 9/11 were God's punishment for homosexuality or loose living. Their nuts think things just as wacky. Still, there are reasonable people in all of those countries. We just won't talk to them. Hillary and McCain both think negotiating means making threats. I say it's time to put down our big stick and pick up the olive branch. Obama is on the right track with this way of thinking. We are the ONLY country still arrogant enough to think WE know what's best for the people of other countries, that Democracy is the ONLY valid form of government (kinda like Christianity was the only valid form of religion the last time we were at war in the region). We are NEVER going to have a United States of Arabia. If we keep poking the bears over there, they're going to keep poking back.

Here's a thought to ponder. According to Newsweek, a close associate of Bin Laden's was caught in 1991 with a list of the entire Al Quada rank and file sworn members. Can you guess how many thousands of names were on that list? How many hundreds of thousands of radicals have turned us, the United States, rabid with fear and prejudice against 1.5 BILLION Muslims? Give up?

There were 198 names on the list. Yes. That's right. One hundred and ninety eight people have made us this crazy. Bush and his cronies raise the terror alert flag every time they want to ram through some new law that they don't want to explain that (typically) will benefit the rich and stick it to the poor and middle class, and they learned right quick that sticking the monicker "a matter of homeland security" on the bill was an automatic pass. They are continuing to feed us fear and prejudice so they can keep their free pass. They actually talk like this is some action movie flick and call these folks "evil doers," and "evil ones." Talk exactly like those in charge of, oh, let's say the Spanish Inquisition.

Let's not make the same old mistakes all over again. Let's learn from history's mistakes. It's not too late.

--Posted by David May 14, 08 08:10 PM--

Thank you, David. VERY well said.

So here is where we stand: Hillary Clinton should move to W VA and be their next governor, Arkansas all over again. Bill is right there at her side all the way, you can bet on that.

The only reason Hillary is still around is to use her contributors to avoid paying, Thursday is the deadline. Why is she loaning herself money? Some funny business afoot with their taxes. Give her maybe 1st wk of June and bye bye speech will come out of the can. Her negatives are highest of all candidates. Her malingering could be biding time until some unfortunate accident, she is playing the second role until then perhaps.

H

This is great theater, I love it! I'm writing in Ron Paul in Nov. and the longer the Three Stooges remain out in the public eye the more tired of them the voters will get. So much the better! Keep it up kids.

Obama pretty much won the nomination.

Hillary is just being a bitch.

Hillary will win the nomination. The country is starting to tune-out Obama.

i get really annoyed when people accuse Hillary of stopping at nothing to have POWER...when Obama does just the same.

only worse, his POWER also involves murder and a cover up.

i know America is all wrapped up in his empty promises of "HOPE" and "CHANGE" and all that warm and fuzzy talk talk talk...

but i think it's actually quite FRIGHTENING and SCARY to find out the truth.

Larry Sinclair, Donald Young...where in the world is the HOPE and CHANGE in that???

Barack obama is black. White people dont say it in public but in private we agree that a black man will not be the next president of the united states. Call it racism, but that is how it is. Fortunately, obama has nothing to offer anyways. Forget being a democrat, I'm an American first; if obama wins the nomination, barr has got my vote.

HILLARY IS LIKE KOBE BRYANT OF LAKERS IN 2002/2003. YOU THOUGHT THEIR OPPONENT IS A SURE WIN DOWN TO THE LAST MINUTE…BUT WAIT KOBE DID A 3-POINT SHOOT SUCCESFULLY AT THE VERY LAST SECOND. LAKERS WON AND HILLARY WILL WIN EVENTUALLY.

Hang in there Hillary. A lot of people are still behind you. Those who voted for Obama back in Feb. are feeling buyes remorse in light of the serious issues that he has had since March. I saw her interview last night on CNN. She clearly detailed the issues on economy and her gas tax proposal.

OBAMA WAS WRONG ON GAS TAX. HE IS STUPID ON APPLIED ECONOMICS.
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Obama was not raised in a slum and is more elitist than most.

Mr. Obama has portrayed himself as coming from a poor background. I actually would say he has been most fortunate.

He talks about his mother, Stanley Ann Soetoro, being on food stamps for a while. We never hear about her being a capable, intelligent woman who ultimately obtained a PHD. She worked for the Women's World Bank. Obama's biological father was also highly educated. His step-father was also a college educated

He also had supportive grandparents. His grandmother was a bank executive.
Obama went to an exclusive private high school, and two elite colleges. The absent father obviously wounded him deeply. But in other regards he was more elite than most.

Obama keeps whining about paying off his college loans.

What I want to know is how much financial aid did he receive? Did his family ever help him out financially? Did he receive student financial aid or scholarships?

Obama has a McMansion. So I think it time to stop moaning about your low interest loans. The interest is much higher lately.

And maybe he could start being thankful for those that helped along the way.
Obama was not raised in a ghetto.

Compare Hillary's background with his and you might find that he did have more advantages.

Clinton's: total narcissists, subconciously interested in their personal gain and power, and nothing else. This woman might think she is noble, but in actuality she is just self-involved.

The Electoral College Count System is how our next president will be chosen. It will not be a popularity contest. I am surprised that all of you keep talking about other points that do not matter. The issue of race (like it or not-and i don't) has been inserted into this race, and will cause enough of a swing to the McCain side.(check out electoral vote.com) The democrats are noble to continually put forth these great candidates(Gore,Kerry,Obama), but they can't win.(please don't argue this because the fact is they did'nt win). The reason I will not vote in the next or forseeable elections is twofold -- 1.) The democratic party is in almost complete disarray and very poorly managed. 2.) Both parties only seem to produce republicans (complete WHORES to big business), the dems are a little more moderate----but not much. I think Obama (sadly) has no chance to win the electoral vote (remember this is the only one that gets one elected to the presidency). So it doesn't matter that a disproportionate number of blacks in Mississippi vote for him, because a disproportionate number of whites will not vote for him in ohio and pennsylvania (yes race has entered and altered this race). Lastly I do find it interesting that in some states Obama receives over 90% of the black vote and no one reports on it-obviously not all blacks are voting on the color of his skin, but a great deal are and thats just stupid ( as was the catholic vote for Kennedy) if women were to vote for Hillary like that it would be reported on heavily ( she hits in the 60 percentile and they harp on it). I have had eight years without a president----I guess it will be twelve. Please put forth candidates that can win in the real world not the utopian world so few hide in.

Blah blah blah....."don't they realize that democrats will leave the party if Obama is the nominee?" Don't you realize how many new democrats he brought to the party? They are all his supporters. Only people leaving are Clintonians who are stupid enough to vote for McCain to prove a point. What point? That Clintonians are stupid? The threat to leave is desperation talk on the part of Hillary supporters...like someone might actually fall for that "we'll leave the party" nonsense. They sound like two year olds trying to negotiate . If you think like a republican I guess you might as well vote like one...I don't know. In any case, the enormous number of new democrats is due to Obama. He has built this party and drawn new members in droves.....so i'm unimpressed with your threat to leave the party. Go ahead and cut off your noase to spite your face....we won't miss you.

Hillary is the smartest and strongest of all three candidates. period.

And Obama cannot win without the 49 plus percent (17 million) who have voted for Hillary.

If Hillary gets the nomination it will be through changing rules halfway through the game and convincing super delegates to vote for her even though Obama has more votes and delegates. You want to talk about destroying the Democratic Party? She's going to do her best.

I am so sick of this nonsense.

1. Neither Hillary, nor Obama, nor McCain will unite this country. You know why? Because people sit on boards making racist and sexist comments. If you want everyone to be treated equally you have to be willing to treat other people equally yourself and to fight for them too, if you expect them to fight for you. And that's pretty much addressed to every "group" *rolling my eyes* in this country.

2. Everyone has the right to run, that's called democracy. When Obama crossed the number and wins, it's over. That hasn't happened and it's silly to get upset about it.

3. It's really sad that it's more important to be right or to be the winner than to help each other and to make a better world for our kids. And that is been made plain and clear by both obama and clinton supporters and mccain... again we need to stop waiting for a leader to "fix" our problems and starting learning how to treat each other with respect.

Now flame away and call me as many names as possible!

Gaias child wrote, "Not all feminists support Clinton." She is correct, but many do, including me. I'm also African-American, and a (relatively) young professional. You see, I'm voting for her because she has worked for the causes I believe in. While people want to discount her life history, she has much of which to be proud. I've read some comments that say that they don't want a repeat of the controversies of Bill Clinton's presidencies, and that's fair enough. But, I would say those were Bill Clinton's personal failings, not Hillary Clinton's, and I don't believe she should be held responsible for them. All the speculation about why she remains in the face is just that, speculation, not fact. For people who claim to deal in facts, the assertions are ludicrous. What is an absolutely indisputable fact is that neither candidate has enough delegates for the nomination. They both have energized parts of the Democratic Party base, and that's a good thing. Both candidates have strengths and weaknesses. I believe in democracy and democracy includes everyone voting. Senator Obama shouldn't be handed the nomination before he has the requisite number of delegates, and trying to drum Senator Clinton out of the race to make it easier for him isn't going to win him votes from people who don't currently support him.

The Clintons have been on the public dole all their life, after college. Same as welfare except they get paid better. What has she done for NYS ? I would like to know, except to win an election here were she didn't belong. Send her back to her home state and start over, and learn to make the right move to be a straight and
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