Mixed results for Clinton in new poll
A new national poll offers good news for Democrats, and mixed returns for Hillary Clinton, fighting against the odds for the nomination.
In the Quinnipiac University survey released this morning, both Clinton and Barack Obama lead presumptive Republican nominee John McCain nationally. Clinton leads 46 percent to 41 percent, with strong support from women and blacks. Obama leads 48 percent to 37 percent with strong backing from independents and blacks.
But while Clinton is trying to argue that she holds greater appeal to blue-collar voters essential to a Democratic victory in November, she and Obama face similar deficits among non-college-educated whites in the poll -- McCain leads 48 percent to 41 percent over Clinton, and 46 percent to 39 percent over Obama.
And Clinton continues to have the lowest favorability rating. While 47 percent of voters have a favorable view of her, 44 percent have an unfavorable view. Obama's spread is 49 percent favorable to 43 percent unfavorable, and McCain's is 45 percent favorable to 31 percent unfavorable.
Among Democrats, 45 percent said they want Obama to be the nominee and 41 percent said they prefer Clinton. Also, 63 percent said Clinton should keep running, and 60 percent said Obama should pick her as his running mate if he is the nominee.
"Sen. Hillary Clinton's never-say-die campaign still has lots of fans," Maurice Carroll, director of Quinnipiac's polling center, said in a statement. "Party leaders may be cringing over the potential damage to Democratic chances in November from the endless primary campaign, but two-thirds of the rank-and-file think Clinton ought to keep battling."
The survey was conducted Thursday through Monday and has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.
For the past couple of weeks, I was amongst those Obama supporters who was trying to mend with Clinton supporters. I strongly believed that Clinton would, after WV, begin to prepare for a graceful and honorable exit which would be carried over the remaining contests. After all, Obama has almost secured the nomination as he leads Clinton by every single available metric.
With her speech in WV, Clinton clarified her position in regard to the rules of the Party. Before and after the primary, Clinton and her surrogates, went all the way in what should be rightfully called a disregard of the internal rule of law of the party. Basically claiming that the rules must be changed, that the millions of voters who have already voted don’t count, and that the elected pledged delegates don’t count either.
What seems to only count for Clinton is the popular vote of some but not all contests (after all many caucus states don’t divulge their numbers) and the superdelegates. This is because those are the two only metrics that she can hope to change in her favor.
While it is true that Clinton and her surrogates have stopped the direct attacks on Obama, they have not stopped (and actually increased) their attacks on the Party’s rules and regulations as well as the will of the majority of its voters thus far.
The Clintons and their surrogates keep moving the goalpost as they see fit and they must have a lot of clout within the upper echelons of the party since no one (where are you Howard Dean?) is telling them they should stop their extralegal attacks on the Party’s rules and regulations.
On Meet the Press last Sunday, talking about the FL and MI delegations, Terry McAuliffe said that "the rule is 50 percent" and that he would be content with 50% of the delegations from those states seated. Now, two days later, they want 100% of the delegates seated as is, even though Clinton herself said back in December, that these primaries "will count for nothing".
Their rationale is that we need 50 states in November but they don’t seem to care about the fact that they might end up with 25 states if they keep pushing their unorthodox efforts and drive away a large chunk of Obama supporters in the process.
Since there is no logical explanation for Clinton’s refusal to play by the rules, the only possible explanation is that what we are witnessing is a pure and simple coup attempt by the Clintons and their surrogates. Now that they cannot win by the rules that they themselves have helped to lay out and that they have accepted at the beginning of the process, they feel it’s ok for them to demand that the rules be changed as they see fit in order to make the math work in their favor.
They now claim that they could win the popular vote but what they are not saying is that they are only referring to those states that hold primaries. Clinton knows very well that some caucus states don't release their popular votes results so, while with one hand she acts as the champion of democratic voters by demanding that FL and MI be seated, on the other hand she is openly trying to disenfranchise the voters of those states where caucuses are held.
Clinton has already passed the point of no return by openly declaring that the number of delegates needed to win the nomination (2,025) is null and void and that the new number should be 2,209. By doing so, she has done great damage to the integrity of the primary process. Clinton and her surrogates have clearly espoused the belief that the end justifies the means and they will not stop their attempts to win the nomination at all costs.
And so we find ourselves in this Orwellian land of double speak where Clinton pretends to be the champion of democracy and the popular vote while she’s openly and directly undermining the democratic process since her only path to the nomination is for the superdelegates to overturn the the will of the pledged delegates.
Clinton has taken a very dangerous route because if she believes that the Obama supporters will sit idly by and let her destroy the integrity of the electoral process of the Democratic party she’s highly mistaken. This was supposed to be the year of the Democrats, the year when the people throw out the Rupublicans because of all their failed policies. Instead, because of the thirst for power of one person, we are more and more likely to witness a civil war within the Party that will cripple it for years to come.
Way to go Mrs. and Mr. Clinton.
http://politicjock.blogspot.com/
90% blacks voted for Obama... aren't they racist too? What if 90% whites, hispanics and asians voted for Clinton?
Keep going, Hillary! You still have some dignity left.
Very well said Politicjock!!!! You have eloquently voiced the opinion of many people.
Thirst for power, is exactly what I call what the Clintons are about. Thoughtful write up, if not sadly accurate.
Excuse me, but Clinton has every right to stay in the race. Would you want your golden boy Obama to drop out if he was 150 del behind in the last stretch? If the tables were turned and there was this tremendous push by media and supers for Obama to leave, his supporters would be up in arms calling it a fix or a conspiracy. All Clinton is asking for is a fair shake. Here are the facts:
the race is the closest in history (and MANY MEN HAVE GONE TO THE CONVENTION WITH LESS OF A CHANCE THAN HILLARY AND NO ONE SAID BOO!)
The Superdelegates have a specific duty: to support the candidate that can win the GE (and keep the white house for as long as possible)
All of this happens at the convention, that is what these elaborate rules are for, situations like this. At the convention, THERE ARE DEBATES. Candidates have to make their cases and PRESENT their plan for the future.
Those are the facts. Given the facts, who do you think has a better chance at winnning the nomination? We all know Obama is ONE DEBATE AWAY FROM FAILURE. He can only talk AT people through speeches, not TO people in a debate format.
Good luck with reality Obamamaniacs
To SNowdonia: Is Hillary Hispanica/Asian?
Politicjock you must be one of those educated folks or have enough brains to see through the Clinton BS. It is a shame those un-educated white people don't have enough sense to recognize when they are being fed a load. No matter, what is said in these blogs Clinton supporters are going to continue to support her efforts to destroy the party. Kind of reminds me of when we were kids and the looser wanted to change the rules or make up new ones during a game. Funny I was taught cheaters never prosper but the Clintons have done very well for themselves.
Obama supporters are big babies too just like thier savior A BABY BOY
Obama lovers are full of hate and venom - and that's what 'bringing people together' means??
THAT is why many a clinton supporter will never vote for obama.
We B e l i e v e in HILLARY!
well said, I could not agree more with politicjock.
Hillary: what a way to manipulate your supporters by telling them you still have a good chance at winning the nomination, what a way to ask for more money to finance your debt and your thirst for power, you selfish human being. I'm curious as to what moves you, what you care the most... I mean besides yourself.
.Blacks have voted for WHITE Presidents for many years, the funny thing is that Latinos considered themselves as Whites, but do whites consider them as whites. They need to look DEEPER, especially those Latinos in California and Texas....None of the candidates will win in Nov as there are too many racial divisiveness, generated by Hillary(recently) and her husband Bill, at many times in covert undertones. But the news media ignored. These two are never honest, but always play dirty politics as this is how they fight. Hilary only knows how to play this dirty games. Obama is too gentlemanly to attack her and delve into their dirty politics..All these West Virginians are good people OUTSIDE, but racially rigid inside. In any case Hillary has the right to go on.and so DAMAGE the party that bad, that Obama will not win
Big majority of blacks voted for Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry in general election, because policies matter for them not the race. They did not vote Republican because their nominee (Jessie Jackson) lost to a white in primaries. When the policies of two candidates (Clinton and Obama) are so close and McCain's is just the opposite, voting for McCain in general election may have one explanation for a Democrat: (race issue).
(I am white by the way and also Obama is white as much as he is black).
Why Don't you say that the overwhelming support for Obama by blacks is racist??? This is ignored so extensively that it should cast doubt on everything that is read, or seen on TV. Media:No integrity!
I wonder when it became un-American to campaign? I believe that all the Democrats saying that this primary election is horrible or unlawful are only conveniently saying this now and furthermore are hurting the party themselves. Isn't the original point of the primary to decide whom ALL democrats want as their nominee? If you want to go on about Clinton not listening to all the people that have voted already, then I'll go on about all the people that haven't yet had their voices heard. In what way is this harming the party? The only thing people are talking about right now are the Democrats! When was the last time that Oregon and Kentucky had some say in the Democratic nomination process? While we may now know who is likely going to be the nominee, we should not be 'presumptuous' as Barack Obama has said. The race isn't over till it's over, and I have no idea when that became a bad thing.
Snowdonia, what do you think that AA can't vote for someone they like and respect? HRC had the AA vote prior to South Carolina (and all white dems in every election in the past too, but I guess you didn't seem to care when AA's support white candidates at 90%). Why would you say such a ridiculous thing?
Hillary is like Norma Desmond in "Sunset Boulevard." She just does not realize that her time on the big stage has passed.
politicjock,
Obama will never win a general election. Stop kidding yourself. And if he does get the nomination and loses to McCain what will you say then? I know, "Barack was our best chance blah blah and Hillary couldn't have done better. Of course until she runs again in 4 year's and cleans up after your Obama mess. If this guy has any brains he'll take the vice presidency with Hillary on top of the ticket and pick up some experience and run for President then. It's a win/win.
Why Don't you say that the overwhelming support for Obama by blacks is racist??? This is ignored so extensively that it should cast doubt on everything that is read, or seen on TV. Media:No integrity!
Her speech last night in West Virginia was something else. "go to Hillaryclinton.com and give to this campaign, skip a dinner out, let me tell you about the 11 year boy from KY who sold his video games and bike and gave to my campaign".....this was shameless. She is $20 million in the hole and now suggesting that little kids raise money for her. Meanwhile Chelsea is in Puerto Rico and I'm sure she's not in a tent.
If 90% of whites, hispanics and asians voted for her we wouldn't even be having this conversation. She would already have gone clear.
Kudos to politicjock on a very well written comment.
politicjock said: "After all, Obama has almost secured the nomination as he leads Clinton by every single available metric."
Ummm, I guess you dont know much about the process. When races are this close they go to the convention. The superdelgate endorsements mean nothing until the convention where they are seated (and they can change their minds if they choose) . Obama has planned his victory party for May 21, but it is impossible that he get the # needed by that date. EVEN IF ALL THE SUPERS endorse him, they still have to go to convention.
So no, Obama has not won by every measure. He cannot win without convincing the superdelgates and they cannot be seated until the convention.
I would like to ask Obama who are his real supporters and who are paying them to support him against all odds of winning the general elections... I could advance the answer: the owners of this country, that is, the ultra-rich people who needs a third republican government in a row to keep filling up their pockets. These are the ones paying the media to cheer Obama, these are the ones paying Obama's campaign underneath the table. They know very well that Obama won't be able to win the general elections and that's the reason they want him elected as the democratic candidate... And Obama should know it, he has sold his soul to the big money and that's why he's running against the only candidate with real possibilities to defeat the special interests... This is so sad!
All i have to say is that she needs to keep going, Obama can not win the General Election. A man that can not spell and pronounce his full name, don't ware us flag pin, black, and born a muslim raised as a chrisstian, freshman senator is too ill prepared to be the leader of the free world. Obame needs white vote, he can not just do it by strong black turnout. he needs all of us. just like some blacks suggested that they will stay home if obama is not the nominee many feminist will stay as well and some white democratic voters. Unless obama make a houdini act and I jsut don't see it happening.
Hillary is really trying - too little too late. McCain does not have a clue - another Bush. As a Republican, I will vote for Obama - he represents a future change. Don't blame him for being born in the Sandwich Islands!
But what about all the white votes and white presidents count in all the yeas of this presidency? All have been white and none have been black or any other race.
No one is racist for supporting a candidate they believe in. However those who say if the candidate I support loses the primary, I will switch parties and vote for a candidate that has nothing in common with the one I was supporting except they both are white, they are clearly of a mindset that they will not vote for a Black candidate. it has nothing to do with Obma, they can't support any Black person being President. As a Black man I do not dislike Hillary because she is white, I dislike her because she is a proven liar who only cares about herself. As an American I am ashamed of all the crimes, sexual misteps, and chaos the Clinton's brought on the office of Pres. and I do not want to see a repeat. That is why many Black and white people do not support her, Now is the time for you closet racist to be intellectually honest and just admit, it has nothing to do with Sen. Obma,you do not want to ever see any Black person achieve what you cannot.
Politicjock, that was as eloquent, lucid, comprehensive and logical an analysis as I have read yet about the Clinton campaign and its refusal to bow out with dignity and grace, and instead do whatever it takes, say whatever it needs to, to win the nomination (which it cannot).
Nothing could be further from the truth. Mrs. Clinton wants to win. Mr. Obama is running out the clock-great strategy-so would I. Mrs. Clinton is fighting on-great strategy-so would I. How would it look,seriously, if Mr. Obama lost by 40 points-like he did last night- to a candidate that had dropped out of the race?...That's worse than getting beat by a dead guy...
I too agree with Politicjock. You have very clearly pointed out that the Clintons are trying to win the nomination by changing the rules if possilbe.
This is a land of the people by the people and for the people. The only vote that should count is the vote the people cast.
@ SNowdonia
Assuming that skin color is the only determining factor in their choices, and not a shared set of core values within a cultural subset, there is still a big difference between voting for someone because he is black and voting against someone because he is black. One is democracy, the other is racism. And judging by the exit polls, there is evidence that some white folks in West Virginia were voting for Hillary because Barack is black.
I too agree with Politicjock. You have very clearly pointed out that the Clintons are trying to win the nomination by changing the rules if possilbe.
She touts her experience, but Obama put together a better organization than she did and took the nomination away from her. Why does she imply that she is going to pass a universal healthcare system ,if she's elected, when she got absolutely nowhere when her husband was president. Let's face it, old,uneducated whites, like my mother, have great difficulty voting for a black man. Is that a demographic that we should respect? I understand that that they are a significant factor, but so were those who wouldn't vote for a Catholic and not long ago many more would never have voted for a woman. The times are changing. Let a "Normal" person represent the democrats, such as Sebellius of Kansas. I am a white male,retired and educated.I initially supported Richardson and Edwards but now contribute to Obama. I voted for Bush the first term,and think McCains foreign policies will just cause us more problems. Bush goes to Isreal while the Palestinians are mourning "The Catastrophe". No wonder the Moslems love us, we are so even handed.
Democracy means all people count. The rules made by the party leaders are bogus. The will of the people cannot be discounted.How would you feel if the delegates decide that the black does ot count or count less than the vote of other people.
Go Hillar, Teach the leaders that never again say that in a national election some of the people will not have any say. Any boby who agrees with these bogus rules does not deserve to be a leader of a democratic country.
It is time we honor an experienced, well deserving lady to lead in this country. Think you all who have wives, mothers and daughters. They are equal part of the society. We men have down graded them too often. MEN HAVE FAILED TO RULE THIS WORLD,LET WOMEN TRY.
If Obama had decisively secured the nomination, his supporters wouldn't have to keep calling for Clinton to gracefully "bow out". They'd rather the democratic process not play out until he gets the necessary delegates. They are anticipating his loss to McCain in the fall and already trying to blame it on Hillary "prolonging the primaries".
Hillary is not the only one who cares about seeing the first woman president. Millions of American women would like to see that also. I would like for my 2 daughters to see that as well. She's certainly qualified.
A lot of young voters don't feel the same history some feel with the Clintons and all they have worked for and have latched onto a junior senator who is at least in part a phenomenon created by CNN. If he had rallied around Clinton who was the shoo-in nominee and a leader in the party a year ago, we wouldn't be in this 51-49 divide, but it is certainly his right to run.
I don't believe any politician can be so "above" others in ethics.
Obama said Wright was his "uncle" a few weeks ago and now distances him for political reasons. Let's see what he does when he faces some real challenges. He won't be able to stick to what he says, inspiring as it is. My point is, Obama will be fine - but I can not believe he is so much more moral and trustworthy that Clinton, Bush and McCain. He's still a regular human being and a politician.
Actually, it's the 1.3 million people who have donated to his campaign who are supporting Obama. Get your facts straight Silvia!
Typical - another HRC supporter living in fantasy land with made up numbers.
Obama was not my first, second, or even third choice of nominee, but I would have been perfectly happy backing either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton -- until the Clintons started acting like Tanya Harding.
Regretfully, VERY regretfully, Senator Clinton seems indifferent to the reality that the overall goal is NOT that she becomes the Democratic nominee, but rather that a Democrat becomes the next president, able to put an end to the erosion of attacks by the GOP (explicitly including John McCain) on the rule of law and on the quality of life for the vast, overwhelming majority of American families who don't take in 6-figure incomes.
The DNC hasn't figured out yet that many democrats are poised to leave the "party" in droves if Obama gets the nomination. He is too inexperienced, elitist, far left and frankly lacks good judgment to lead this country in these very, very scary times. In the DNC's eyes, the voters really don't matter (see FL and MI - even though some other states moved up their primaries as well) and regard the media's support as somehow the public's support for their anointed candidate. DNC and media push for her to end the race and every single poll shows a strong difference of opinion with the public: let it play out.
Any objective, unbiased observer will tell you the push has been on since before January to "get behind" Obama and Hillary went on to win each time they counted her out. New Hampshire, OH, TX, PA, IN, each time "this is it", and she wins. Sometimes BY HUGE margins, like tonite.
I will NOT vote in the GE for Obama, and will write in her name instead. I can no more, in good conscience, vote for an inexperienced, racist (contrary to what he and his supporters would have you believe, the signs, words and hints are all there), politician then I could vote for a Republican. Being from FL, I am not alone in my stance that not counting my vote now, as it stands, means forget me in the GE. Good luck.
Hillary, my humble message to you is this: If the "boys club" in Washington can't take your strength, poise, intelligence and perseverance and the DNC chooses instead to nominate an inexperienced, slick, elitist politician, then PLEASE run as an Independent. Your 16 million supporters, to date, are behind you and we want YOU as our next President. Period
The Clintons are not adherents to truth and honesty as evidenced by his impeachment and her admitted lies.As such you cannot expect them to abide by agreements they enter into reference her statement about the Michigan and florida Primaries that they will count for nothing. Their art of manipulation has been rendered impotent after her cry for sympathy netted her a victory in the Main primary and and her throw back to old style politics gained her the support of Rush Limbaugh for her quasi victory in Texas and maybe OHIO, Pennsylvania. and most likely Indiana, and isn't coincidential that the Equirer, the Star, and the Globe enjoy their largest circulation per capita in West Virginia. Maybe that is why she earned such high marks for honesty there. the bottom line is that Politicjock has has his hands on the pulse of this Campaign. Way to go.
why should she drop out??? what makes you think obama is the better person to get our country back on track? empty promises are always made until office. its a way to close for either one of them to give up yet..
Why does the Democratic party not want to conclude a process that will assist in the determination of the best candidate to lead the party's ticket in the fall?
If we are simply committed to choosing the African American candidate because we don't think we can afford to turn off an important party constituency, then fine. But that is not the way to win an election.
Let's ask ourselves:
Who is the more prepared candidate or the more perceived as prepared candidate, if you will?
Who is the tougher campaigner?
Who is the more nationally electable candidate, winning swing voters and swing states?
Can a coalition of African Americans and college-educated liberals and some independents win a national election?
Can the election be won without Florida and Ohio and maybe Pennsylvania?
These are important questions and the desire of a candidate who has close to 50% of the popular vote (only off by less than 1% from Obama's count) to stay in the race to keep these questions alive is not to be construed as simply a "thirst for power". I think the Obama camp needs to settle down a little too and not push us to a conclusion that we could all regret.
Politicaljock you hit the nail on the head. The Billary's will stop at nothing to gain control of the White House. She claims to care about the middle class but she is just as certainly destroying it by staying in, instead of bowing out gracefully. Her intention is to weaken Obama enough that he will lose, 4 years from now she will start her bid again to remove McBush. Just one question for all those Hillary supporters, once she nukes Iran, what will a gallon of Arab gasoline cost? I am certain that the arabs would be more than willing to share their oil with us.
Captbob, that's great and all but the rules of the DNC decide the nomination based on delegates. Granted the Superdelegates can change the delegate count based on the popular vote but there is nothing to say they have to. The delegate count is what determines the nomination. I am an undecided independent and just stating how the DNC decides. On another note this country has lost sight of "of the people, by the people, and for the people"...replace people with MONEY and you have it about right.
Maybe most of the blacks voted for Obama because:
A. They each see through the Clinton BS more clearly?
B. Any one of them is smarter than the "Non-College-educated whites" that like Hillary?
C. They each hope that a lessoning of racial tensions might finally be possible?
D. There is finally hope for America, and they see it in Obama, not Clinton?
HOW COME all the "analysts" can't see this except as racial bias? Might it be that they are racists?
Of course she has every "right" to stay in the race. But, to what end? This is about delegates--always has been; always will be. She can claim it's about the popular vote. McAuliffe can claim it's about momentum. Pres. Clinton can claim, well, whatever he wants to claim today. The three of them can move the goal posts was 2025, now 2209), and ignore earlier agreements she made (delegates from FL and MI should not count). Leaving aside that he's won every metric (popular vote, states, pledged delegates, super delegates), it's still about the total number of delegates. She can't get there. As for the notion that all of this choosing by the superdelgates happens at the convention; that's not so. It's happeneing now. She's in debt. Her negatives remain too high. It's over. And, now, she runs the risk of doing permanent damage to the nominee if she hasn't already. To what end?
Politicjock does a nice job analyzing the Clintonian mindset. Politics is a blood sport, it is not for the faint of heart. They play the game brilliantly. The Clintons are relentless and ruthless in the pursuit of power, they have left a trail of scorched earth and bodies in their wake.
The Democratic Primary is no longer about the states, popular vote or pledged delegates. The Clintons understand the campaign is about the undeclared super delegates now. That is what their campaign is geared to and aimed. It is all about making the argument, persuading and impressing the super delegates. Hillary doesn't need FLA or MI, she just needs to convince the super delegates that she should have had FLA or MI.
The primary will be resolved by the rules established by the Dems. The remaining campaign is about targeting the few hundred undeclared super delegates. Their votes are the only ones that truly matter now. They should and will decide the nominee (because those are the rules that the party agreed on). This is far from over no matter how much Obama wishes it was.
The prospect of Bill Clinton collecting millions from middle east potentates for "speeches" while Hillary is the president is real. The prospect of American foreign policy for sale is truly alarming to contemplate. I think the country is getting a lucky break in this democratic primary season.
Cankur
Of course, she has every right to stay, but if my rights hurting other people, I'll give up on those right.
Loved the comment by politicjock, well spoken. The thing that angers me the most about the Clintons (I voted for him two times and am a white woman in my late 60s from Alabama) using the race issue and playing it to the hilt. Hillary's comments about working, hard working white people was shameless. Hillary and Bill of all people know exactly what they are doing and I think their ambitions are such that they are willing to destroy the Democrat Party. I hope that Obama does not consider putting her on the ticket as his vice president.
Curley,
You wrote, "there is still a big difference between voting for someone because he is black and voting against someone because he is black. One is democracy, the other is racism."
Would you please explain this assertion to the rest of us. Were you joking?
What a lot of Clinton supporters refuse to wrap their brains around is the very real fact that the Clintons are, at this point, just using their supporters to raise money to pay back the loans the Clinton's made to the campaign. But, again, I am not surprised - they also thought the gas tax break was a good idea! My mother always told me that if you don't understand something, go find out the facts! The fact is that even Mitt Romney did not "loan" himself money for his campaign, he gave it! He did not stay in the race just to get paid back!!! If the Clinton's were really about the "people", $11 million out of $109 million wouldn't make that much of a difference!!! Now who's elitist?
Sunny,
Actually, if the Clinton WASN'T such a media darling she would have been forgotten a LONG time ago. It's because they love talking about the Clinton's so much that she is still in the race. Had anyone else lost 11 states in a row in February they would have been ignored by the media. She didn't get 15 minutes of fame - she got 4 months of FREE air time in which she also mis-managed a campaign and went highly into debt. This is not a leader I want.
Obama is black. It is my understanding that even if you are 1/5 black you are black. And Latinoss and/or Hispanics are white. The races are white, red--American Indian, yellow--Asian and blac,
I've seen this notion that Obama can't win the general election several times. The polls show this view to be just plain wrong. Obama isn't beating McCain in the hypothetical hth matchups - he's crushing him.
Hillary is widely despised by conservatives and even within her own party the Clintons have no shortage of detractors. No clue where she gets off saying she's got a better shot in the GE - it's just not the case. The mud-slinging campaign the Clintons just ran only furthered the polarization of the masses about them. I'd love to see a woman in the oval office - and soon - but not at the expense of having to choose Hill over Obama.
I went into this thing with my eyes wide open - I had (and still have to some extent) enormous respect for Bill Clinton despite his personal failings. But during this campaign the slander, mud-flinging and dirty tricks of the Clinton campaign shocked me. I hate to say it, but they made the decision for this voter pretty darn easy. Hearing Obama and his vision for America was the icing on the cake.
Reflecting on the "mystery deaths" of the Bill Clinton administration, If Obama chooses Hillary as his VP, he better get an "Official Food Taster".
I cannot believe the level of hate and ignorance I see on these blogs. I know that this does not represent the american people, as Obama has won the support of the majority of Americans. He is 11 points ahead of McSame, and he barely has started campaigning against him. All the folks who think that Americans ared stupid and racist and wrong; we're a great and decent people.
Without us, he wouldn't be where he is. His campaign is funded by the American people (1.5 million donors), not by corporations as some have suggested. Obama wants to help us, he wants to save us from the trillions in debt, the unemployment, the war; you cant just keep attacking him based on nothing and think we the people won't see right through your lies.
Go Obama
You seem to believe that this is a fight for the nominee when it is not. This is a fight for control of the party.
You think its an accident that democrats have lost the election for the president the last two times.
Bill Clinton and the Clintonites have been leading the party for the past 8 years.
Just ask a few simple questions.
When do you think the Clinton's decided that HRC would run for President in 2008? 1972
Would that have been possible if Al Gore had won in 2000? no
Did Bill Clinton fight as hard for Al Gore as he has for his wife? no
Would that have been possible if John Kerry had won in 2004? no
Did Bill Clinton fight as hard for John Kerry as he has for his wife? no
Who was head of the DNC in 2004? Terry M.
Who's supporters are thick throughout the MSM? Clintonites
Why have so many longtime supporters turned on them? because they know they are corrupt
Sometimes you have to step back and look at all the peaces to see a puzzle.
This fight isn't for the nominee, this fight is for the leadership of the party.
If Hillary ran as an independant, she not only would loose the election, she'd get more than enough votes to ensure Obama lost it too, and she'd loose any and all chance of continuing a career in politics.
That said, Hillary is obviously smart enough to know that.
The majority of the MSM and Barack supporters are NOT demanding she bow out right now... they're just stating that he has nearly wrapped up the nomination. Which is true. Most supporters want her to stay in until after PR - we just want her to chill out and stop attacking Obama (which she has done lately to her credit), and to stop attacking the process (per politicjock's comment above).
I am a highly educated white woman who is behind HRC all the way, and even more so when I read rants like the one by politicjock. I am SO SICK of the endless criticism of her, which I think is blatantly sexist, and even more disgustingly so when it comes from these holier than though extreme left (white) liberals who absolve themselves of their sexism with their self-righteous, "white man's guilt", we know better, support of BO. Now, my anger and frustration aside, I think both of them are GREAT candidates and I am very proud that my party has made history by taking them so far. And BOTH of them, not just HRC, have their strong and weak points, and I will vote for whichever of them ends up on the ticket in November, because above all else, I am a loyal Democrat. If this were the other way around, I highly doubt that BO's supporters would want him to bow out, and very much believe that the suggestions to do so would be seen as racist.
sunny florida- you said it all. I am an educated white person (I happen to be female) and I don't understand why anyone would vote for Obama - he is eloquent but slick. I do not support Hillary because she is white or female but simply more experienced and qualified for the job. I beleive if Obama gets the nomination, he will lose and then Hillary can run again in 4 years - but why should we wait for that?
Sunny Florida, and the 17 million voters who support Obama are behind him. It is silly to say that someone is more experienced and better prepared to lead when with all the advantages they are losing to the "inexperienced" person in a primary for the nomination. I live in a small Western state and I don't remember Hillary giving a rat's butt about us and only started worrying about smaller states after Super Tuesday. While Obama came and campaigned in our small Republican stronghold of a state. I also remember her not caring or mentioning FL and MI until she started losing big. MI and FL will be seated, and I see them seating FL by way of the vote and MI with a split of delegates.
Hillary and Obama have ran hard campaigns and each have millions of supporters, and I would vote for either.
curley (post #32) puts is very accurately and nicely. 100% agree
politijock...you can't wish that portion of the Democratic party away...or talk to them/us like we aren't intelligent. Like it or not, that's a problem for Obama.
So how will this "presumptive" nominee get those votes? Not by having his supporters insult them or their candidate.
Honestly, when did 1/2 of the party start believing the other 1/2 should just quit playing?
Hillary has won the "state of denial" by a landslide. In Hillary Land, she is the queen, and they don't have anyone in her campaign that can tell her the truth. But, it's really not about her; it's about U.S! Let's move-on, but let Hillary be herself for a couple weeks. She's not totally stupid, just emotional wounded, but she will be fine, and I will even send her a donation to help pay her debt. As for the racist stuff, Obama is bi-racial--that means he is both black and white y'all. And, I think he can offer us the best of both cultures as a real leader. Afterall, America is a mixture of DNA. Well, er, unless you married to your cousin.
Repulican and retired USAF for Obama.
I wonder what history book did you read. West Va was a part of Virginia back in the day and they broke away because when the Civil war started Virginia seceded from the Union. Several counties in the western end of Virginia then seceded from Virginia in order to stay with the Union and out of the Confederacy.
I hope the media will not let West Va. be the reason why whites will not vote for Obama. He have won in Iowa, WI, Va and is on target to win Oregon. The people thinking in those states speak volume of the real Americans. West Va. people do not vote their interest - they voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. This state rank #48 below poverty - when will the people of West Va. wake up and smell the coffee.
If the situation were reversed, and it was Obama wanting to continue his campaign amid cries for him to bow out there would be screams of racism and I'd have Al Shaprton on my t.v. all day.
Obama supporters are the nastiest people I have ever had the misfortune of getting to know on-line.
Go Hillary!
I am not voting for a black man to run this country, but Iam voting for the best man to run this country.
Barack is change that I beleive in.
Can we get back to the issues and stop making this a Race/Gender/Party race??? My preference in a candidate: Bring the Troops home, get the Economy back in order, Healthcare for all and let the house/congress fight for culture issues.
The race issue has existed all along, but it was more evident in West Virginia . Obama is where he is due to racism (polls show 92% of blacks for Obama), and media bias where the networks don't want to risk the race card accusation. In other words racism has been highly in Clinton's disfavor. Otherwise Obama would be history. There will always be friction between races. It's just taking a different turn, and at a higher level now.
I will not support Obama.. i have voted Democrat for over 30 years.,..
Obama is a racist, muslin, liar, and worthless to this country..
I hope white Americans can see just how racist blacks have become..
All of the reporters , "experts" , editorial writers , and others who are telling Clintons to throw in the towel,seem to have missed the point that the Clinton's have spent almost $9,000,000 of their own money in this race and its damned hard to just walk away.
Those same reporters as a group, as a rule wouldn't spend 10 cents of their own money to see Niagara Falls run backwards
@ sunny florida
Why now are you not angry at HRC for agreeing to NOT count your vote in the beginning of the process? B/c you must be a liar like she is.
HRC lost. That was the will of the people. And now, you say you would write her name in. Your vote won't count then. Maybe people in FL shouldn't vote b/c you are all idiots.
So, you would rather have 4 more years of Mccain (read BUSH) than any democrat? You need to have your head examined if you could do that and still think of yourself as a democrat.
Answer me this, would you rather have Dennis K. for president or Bush?
Then answer me this, can you tell me what major policy differences there are between HRC and Obama that would drastically alter you decision to vote?
They stand 95% on the same topics.
So, you would have 100 years of war in Iraq over Obama?
You would have 40M+ people without health care over Obama?
You would have tax breaks for companies that move jobs across the boarder over Obama?
HRC lost. Dry your tears, but don't let Bush have another 4 years. My god, this isn't Amer. Idol, you don't vote for who has the best suit. You should vote for topics. War in Iraq or bring the troops home. Insure Americans or not. Bankrupt the dollar or fix the tax code.
Just the way I see it.
I'm curious as to why people are claiming that Obama can't win the general election when this national poll clearly indicates otherwise? In fact, he whips McCain worse that Hillary would. Interesting.
Also, I believe that Hillary has every right to continue her campaign until the last vote is cast. She does not have the right to keep telling people than she can win and deceiving them in to donating their hard earned money to help ease the debt of her poorly run campaign. If she's such a champion for the working class, she shouldn't be taking advantage of them.
The truth is always revealing. What you have to do is ask Clinton supporters, if the votes were exactly reversed in Hillary’s favor (exactly reversed) and Obama was doing what Hillary is now doing?
#1. Would you (Clinton supports) have a problem with it? Trying to changing the rules...etc…the whole nine yards?
#2. Would you support giving the nomination to Obama?
The super delegate kingmakers of the Democratic Party should not find it difficult, using fair rational judgment, to tell Mrs. Clinton that she has lost the contest for the Party's presidential nomination ticket to Barack Obama. That has been very clear to both the Clinton and the Obama camps and all observers since the Clinton camp failed to achieve the big win she hoped for in the big states of Ohio and Texas and with the Obama camp wasting no time in wiping off whatever gains she made in Ohio in the next contests that followed. Obama has thus demonstrated that he is not just good at giving speeches but also at rightly analyzing difficult situations to form the right strategy to employ for achieving even seemingly impossible objectives and at accomplishing unbelievable great tasks and goals.
So formidable was the nomination task that all the rivals of Mrs. Clinton faced against her perceived inevitability and long time preparation and proven superior campaign organization at the beginning of the nomination contest, with Obama being, perhaps, the least expected to have a chance to win. Obama’s win in Iowa was so unbelievable in Bill Clinton’s ears that he started seeing the whole thing as a “fairy tale”. And when polls started showing Obama overtaking Mrs. Clinton at the next state in the nomination calendar the ex-president started complaining about the time table which the only the Clinton camp was in position to influence than any other candidate when it was being drawn. The sudden realization that Obama’s challenge for the nomination, which was already written off for her, was real and credible was too much for Mrs. Clinton to bear that she publicly burst into tears that led many to cast votes of pity for her, which eventually helped her to win in New Hampshire. From then on the ex-president and the rest of the Clinton camp seemed to have come to realize that she could hardly win playing by the fair rules that was in place at the beginning and which all the contestants approved and agreed to abide by. They started ignoring the rules and complained against them, and challenge and seek to change them unfairly in her favor to help her win.
Mrs. Clinton started this campaign as the presumed Democratic Party’s nominee with all the advantages that any contestant can ever hope for. She had a huge financial edge with the backing of main donors of the Party. She along with her husband the de facto party leader as the last US president from the Democratic Party still enjoyed overwhelming support from the Party officials and the Party members generally across the country. The Party establishment and the Party apparatuses worked together to support Mrs. Clinton as the choice of the establishment, perhaps to the detriment of the Party. Furthermore, the national and most state polls gave Mrs. Clinton overwhelming lead by very wide margin over all her rivals in the nomination race for the Democratic Party’s nominee. In addition, the eight years in the White House as the First Lady had made her famous nationally and internationally, quite unlike Barack Obama the new comer. Of course it may seem a big disgrace that such an unknown new figure like Barack Obama should emerge out of nowhere to and coming from behind to beat such a presumed nominee with all the advantages with her. That should explain why the Clinton camp is doing everything destroy the image of Obama to render him unelectable as the Party nominee. At this point, Mrs. Clinton has no hope of winning the contest by any fair means, so she got nothing to lose.
There is indeed a “difference between making speeches and implementing solutions.” This campaign has offered both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama to prove themselves as achievers. Obama has proved that he can achieve his goal within a non-conducive environment using whatever resources he’s got without bending the rule. Mrs. Clinton has proved that she’s a failure. We now know why she has been failing to achieve even when she has all the chances to succeed well. The Democratic Party would do itself a great injustice if it denies such an achiever like Obama the chance to win the presidency for the Party in November by allowing the Clinton camp to continue with their destructive campaign after knowing that she cannot win by any fair means going but the rule of the game which both campaigns agree to abide with at the beginning of the contest. Obama has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he can get things done. He has made it impossible for the Party to reject his candidacy to be the Party’s nominee. We should give him the opportunity and all the support he needs to implement the changes he has promised. Mrs. Clinton has had her chances and had failed over and over. Let’s give Mr. Obama the credit he deserves, and not give Mrs. Clinton a credit she deserves not.
The truth is that Mrs. Clinton already knew that she had lost this nomination contest by alienating the African Americans with her appeal to racial division and racial blackmail. She knows very well that such shameless open appeal to racial prejudice would surely work against her and against the Democratic Party in November should she become the Party’s nominee. She definitely did not hope to win the presidency with just the vote of the “hardworking white Americans” without the support of other races, particularly the African and Latino Americans as well as other ethnic minorities. So, the Party leaders as well as those who are still backing her campaign should see clearly that she’s no longer campaigning to win the presidential nomination, which she knows she has lost, but to destroy the Party and its chances to win in November. Therefore, all those who are interested in the success of the Democratic Party should withdraw their support for Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy NOW, and stop her from her desperate, open and shameless attack against the strong base of the Party, which is its racial and class collisions. Having gone to the extent which she has gone in her negative campaign its obvious that Mrs. Clinton might have crossed the line, beyond which all her hope of ever becoming president is lost FOREVER. Both Hillary and her husband Bill Clinton, the former president, are too clever not to know this.
Therefore, the Party faithful should not allow themselves to be fooled into thinking Mrs. Clinton is still having any hope of winning the nomination or the presidential election in November. Her only hope for continuing with the campaign now is to ensure that Obama does not win the presidency in November, and perhaps that no African American nor any non-white American is ever allowed to become the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee for the White House. That will definitely destroy the base of the Party as non-whites will no longer see themselves as having equal opportunity with their white counterparts. A win by Obama in November could never happen without the support of the white majority. However such a win would encourage all the minorities as well as the whites to join the Democratic Party as the Party with the best chances to win the presidency. Such a strong collision will ensure the Democratic Party leadership in American politics for decades to come.
In a boxing match a good referee that knows his job well will stop the match when it is clear that one side has the clear upper hand that the other side cannot possibly match and that continuing the fight is only is likely to result in very serious, or maybe fatal, injury. In their carelessness, or is it blindness, some super delegates may think that it is Obama that is been battered by Clinton in West Virginia and wherever else she may win in the remaining primaries since it had become clear that she could not possibly overtake Obama's lead in pledge delegates and number of states won. Obama has won the contest against the giant Clinton, period. The remaining contest is Clinton against the Democratic Party to stop the Party from crowning the winner, Obama, and to force the Party leaders to give the crown to the loser, Clinton, instead. To do that will mean a fatal blow to the Democratic Party.
The argument that Clinton supporters will turn to vote for McCain if Clinton was not nominated despite losing the contest to Obama, should be seen as the argument of a loser/spoiler that has nothing to lose if things fall apart. It is most likely that they are Republicans that would vote for McCain anyway, even if Clinton got the nomination. However, they so dread Obama's appeal to the independents that they would prefer Clinton, much more so if that could rip apart the Democratic Party. The Obama camp cannot make such a reckless declaration lest they anger the Clinton Democratic supporters/voters and alienate them, and consequently lose the Presidential election to McCain in November. But let no one fool himself/herself into assuming that Obama’s supporters would be there to vote for Clinton against McCain in November if the Party leaders robbed Obama to give Clinton the nomination. And Clinton, without the votes of Obama’s supporters, cannot be expected to win in November by any right-thinking Democratic Party leader.
It is time to stop Clinton from behaving as an already elected President who can dictate her will to the Democratic Party leaders in total disregard for the Party rules that she pledged to abide with along with all the other contestants.
Well said, sunny. I for one won't vote for Obama for the same reasons.
1.3 million people donated to that proven worst liar in american politics?
most of that came from welfare checks and fianancial aid grants....government money!
Obama....you crook...give the money back to the government....you have no right to steal our money!
On the question of racism, which the Hillary supporters and Republicans tend to trivialize, here are a couple of points to think about. Black Americans have supported white candidates (Democrats) in past elections. Black Americans have not deemed white candidates incompetent or incapable purely because of the color of their skin. They have opted for a Black candidate this time, in my view, to press a claim that a Black candidate can be deserving of the highest office in the country if he is qualified on all other counts. As a white person, I do not see that as racism. In the same way, some of Hillary's supporters are pressing her case to prove that a woman can be worthy of the highest office. That is not sexism. The converse, where men vote against Hillary simply because of her gender, is sexist.
These polls are proof that not everyone who Votes thinks like Hillary and Harold Wolfson. I say to them Shame the way they are today trying to raise fears of voters and continue to make smears against Senator Barack Obama.
The DNC have been totally fair with Hillary and allowed her time to do what was right in a gracious manner, she has refused that offer, now it is time to give her the Rope, The Democratic Party must come first so this race has to be ended now by The Superdelegates before Hillary destroys our Party.
I don't think a lot of the commenters on here are actually reading the blog or the other responses. As far as I'm concerned, HRC can stay in the race until she gets demolished at the convention. You go girl!
The problem people are having is that the Clinton camp wants to CHANGE THE ESTABLISHED RULES for how the democratic nominee is selected. They want to disenfranchise millions of voters and change the nomination process completely in mid-campaign. Barack is going to win hands down under the existing system. It's a foregone conclusion, although again, HRC is more than welcome to keep on keeping on. The only problem people are having is that the Clintons want to now change the rules. That's it. Knock that crap off and nobody (well, far fewer people anyway) would have a problem with this thing.
politijock - nicely said.
EdA - I can't agree more.
4 months ago, I was a modest Obama supporter but would not have been upset at the prospects of Senator Clinton becoming the democratic nominee. In the last month, however, Clinton's behaviors have wreaked of a candidate with too much baggage, too many lobbies to please, and too much willingness to manipulate people and rules to achieve her ends. In the grand scheme of policy, the two of them are fairly similar, and either would have likely been a decent candidate. With the latest behavioral record of Senator Clinton, however, I honestly feel like we would be up for another 4-8 years of lies, manipulations, and poor excuses for inadequate policy. She does not have what it takes, and her "tenacity" only reinforces that (now is not the time for arrogant stubborness). People weigh all the different aspects of the candidates personalities differently, however, so in some ways I can still understand why those who remain behind Hillary do so. When the curtain falls, however, the superdelegates are going to play to the popular vote. To do otherwise would be to cause a repeat of the fiasco in Florida in 2000, and they know that.
The contest might not be over until the convention, but the populus has spoken and the presumptive candidate is clear. It's time to unite the party.
I'm 60, white, female, Independent . . . and I wanna see a woman as President in the worst way! So I went to Mrs. Clinton's website, early on, and signed up. But she lost me, even before Iowa, and it hasn't gotten better since. A most determined, impressive person -- but so was Richard Nixon.
Senator Clinton not only has the right -- but the RESPONSIBILITY to continue on the presidential primary campaign. Senator Obama has been given easy access to the nomination by the media. He is untested and will crumble under attack from the Republican Attack Machine (RAM). If the Democratic Party leadership is smart it will nominate BOTH of them, as presidential and vice-presidential running mates. Separately, Clinton and Obama have major political weaknesses; but together they complement each other in the strongest terms possible. This Dream Ticket is the Republican's worst nightmare, because it will sweep the country in the national election. Of course, the GOP supporters will do everything they can to discourage and extinguish the possibility of a Democratic Dream Team.
Hillary couldn't keep her own husband in line, how does she think she can keep the country in order. The Clintons are Republican Lite and have been cut in to the ruling class since Iran-Contra used Arkansas as a logistical base of operations when Bill was Governor.
We need to move away from the unfortunate trend of political families ruling our nation. Because of the oil interests of the Bush family we are now paying $4 a gallon. Don't for a minute think these are free market conditions this is the direct result of the market being manipulated so that Saudi Arabia and the Bush Crime syndicate can defraud the United states of trillions of dollars. The same thing is happening to the banking system, as we loose our homes, the super rich are gifted with tax breaks and bailouts. Say by by middle class!
Dear Hillary:
The black guy is beating you. Nah nah nah nah nah nah. And I am going to go now and practice my goose step in case Bil and Hillary pull it off kind of like Bush and the GOP did in 2000. How soon we forget
Karl
Who wrote this article? It says who it was posted by, but who WROTE it?
Hillary is staying in the race to pay off the $11M she "loaned" herself. I doubt many of her contributors made $150M in the last seven years and yet she is going to hit them up to pay down her debt -- which she must get done by August or she's simply out the cash. I think it's sad that some of the poorest people in our middle class (blue collar, no college) are going to be paying off a millionaire's "loan." She's an uber-rich woman who's lived in mansions all her life and behind the Secret Service for the last 20 years, and she's managed to make a shockingly large number of middle- to low-income people believe she's one of them, that she' knows what it's like to fill a gas tank or even drive herself anywhere, or struggle to buy groceries or medicine. A+ for your BS abilities, Hill.
By the way, Hillary's complete mismanagement of her campaign and budget just proves what a horrible manager / leader she is. She's a good salesman, but if her campaign had been a corporation and she were the CEO, the board would have fired her by now.
At least this race proved again that rich people can't always buy the nomination.
I read alot of comments. I guess i have extra time at my job where i use my degree in electrical engineering to create products. Or maybe i just like to blow of some steam by reading what some really uninformed people have to say.
That stated, why is it that the only reason why some people hate BHO is because of trivial issues?
1. You don't need to wear a pin to prove you like something. I like pizza but i don't wear a pizza pin. More importantly, when BHO is called out that he doesn't wear the pin he continues not too wear one. This is because he knows that anyone that cares about this pin issue obviously just wants a reason to vote against him, if he puts a pin on they will just find another reason. So first, ask yourself if you would vote in hilter as president if we stabbed an american pin in his dead corpse and propped it on a soap box, before you vote against BHO just because of what he wears.
2. Of course BHO gained 90% of the black vote. When was the last time a black man had a chance in the presidential election? This is the first real shot African Americans have to get someone into office that can relate to their strife. I know that African Americans and every other american in this country goes through alot of the same troubles, but having someone that sees both sides can only help the cause of uniting us. I'm sure that if an Asian American was in Barrack's place he/she would get 90% of the Asian American vote as well, its just common sense.
3. Why do people constantly say that Barrack can not beat McCain in the general election? I think if it was McCain verse that dog from Fraser, the dog would still see 20% of the vote. This is obviously a cry from Clinton supporters to try to scare Obama supporters into voting for her. Same scare tactics that were used to defeat Gore and Kerry in the past. If you really want o cut off your nose to spite your face, go for it. I didn't vote ever yet, but if i had voted for Bush, i would be VERY ashamed of myself. In 30 years, our history books will look down on Bush's years in office as much worse then that of Hoover's. And hoover brought us into the great depression.
4. I am nearly certain that 90% of the people that comment some of this stuff are GOP spies payed to smear Obama. I really don't think there are THAT many stupid people in America. Yes i said stupid people. You are stupid if you purposely do something to harm someone that will harm you more in the long run. That is exactly what some people are doing by stating they will vote for McCain if Hillary does not get the primary win.
Why do people get accused 'racists' when they are speaking the truth? why is it that it is ok for 91% of the Blacks to vote for an AA and these Blacks are not called racists? If it is ok for the blacks, then it should also be ok for 91% of non-black to vote for the non-black candidate. Let’s play by the same rule and Obama and his supporters should stop the double talk.
Obama’s win in NC proves beyond any doubt that he is a racially-based candidate. He can’t win the general election with just the blacks and the young. It would be another ‘Tsongas’ election! Clinton’s win in Indiana, by a slim margin, also raises the big question why Obama lost a state that he is supposed to win! With her win in WV, it was a loud alarm bell to warn the democrats that Obama, yet again, can’t connect with the majority of the Americans. The press ignores that Obama’s head was just given to him on a platter!
The media continues to be anti-Clinton. Her win should be presented in the proper context of the quality of each of these candidates’ electability!
The media has robbed the people of this country to see a strong campaign to continue in a fair and balanced manner. It is the worst kind of unprofessional and unethical journalism!
Sexism continues to be strong in this country. Just look at the history of people in Congress; they seem to be in this order, white men, then black men, before any women. The fact that Clinton is smart and qualified and yet is so unfairly treated, only confirms that sexism still exists. I am going to write in Clinton as my choice in November if she does not win the nomination.
Hill is the champion of the middle class- only Hillary is asking young children to sell their bikes and send the money to her. What more could we want from our president?
It is unbelieveable that so many of you assume AA are voting for Barack Obama just because he is half black. Many AA are voting for him because we feel he is the best candidate. Years ago in elections Irish voted for Irish, Polish for Polish, English for English, that is how it was. Many women are voting for Clinton just because she is a woman. They would really like to see a woman President in their lifetime, some women want a woman President so that their daughters will believe that they can achieve anything. Well maybe black people feel the same way. Black people have supported all types of candidates, overwhelmingly those in the Democrat Party. So then why now is it a problem that they are still supporting the Democrats, only this time their candidate of choice happens to be someone of color. There are not enough AA in the US to elected a person alone. So the Party should be careful or one aspect of the party may revert back to voting Republican, as was once the case.
The bottom line is that the RIGHT ticket is:
Clinton Pres
Obama VP
Obama cannot and will not win in Nov if he's the nominee. Plain and simple. The cultlike and bitter Obama support campaign and the media's shameful bias for Obama is going to backfire on the Democrats. I will NEVER vote for Obama now. I think he's a decent guy and could be ready for president in 2016 but the way it's gone NO WAY on obama. You watch people. Everything Hillary said in her speech after CRUSHING Obama in West Vir. is true. By the way 67% to 26%??!? That sends a clear message.
Senator Clinton not only has the right -- but the RESPONSIBILITY to continue on the presidential primary campaign. Senator Obama has been given easy access to the nomination by the media. He is untested and will crumble under attack from the Republican Attack Machine (RAM). If the Democratic Party leadership is smart it will nominate BOTH of them, as presidential and vice-presidential running mates. Separately, Clinton and Obama have major political weaknesses; but together they complement each other in the strongest terms possible. This Dream Ticket is the Republican's worst nightmare, because it will sweep the country in the national election. Of course, the GOP supporters will do everything they can to discourage and extinguish the possibility of a Democratic Dream Team.
Before we call ANY black people racist, let's keep in mind that nearly 100% of all black voters, at some point in thier lives, have voted for a white candidate. How many whites can say the reverse is true?
By definition, a racist voter is someone who won't vote for a candidate because of the color of the candidates skin. We know for sure that blacks are willing to vote for white politicians. Blacks have been "vetted" by the voting booth in the past, and have been determined to not be racist. If Blacks were racist, they would have stayed home when there was no black candidate because of thier unwillingness to vote white. They didn't. By the millions they have cast votes for white politicians.
This election poses a look into whether whites are willing to do the same. In some places, like WV, we see that whites are indeed far more racist voters than blacks. In places like Iowa and Colorado, Whites are proving that they are Americans first and are ready to move past issues of race.
1) Electability in the General Election: Senator Clinton's supporters delude themselves with the notion that "Obama can't win in the General Election." They've not even bothered to read the lead story on the blog that they've just posted to, or it's headline, which reads, "Mixed results for Clinton in new poll."
2) Florida and Michigan: Again, Clinton supporters are delusional. Apparently only selectively referring to Florida and Michigan, Mrs. Clinton herself incorrectly stated last week that, "If we had the same rules the republicans have, I'd already be the nominee!" Why is that a complete misrepresentation of the facts? Because all of the republican contests are WINNER TAKE ALL. If Democrats had the same rules as republicals, OBAMA WOULD HAVE WON IN FEBRUARY!! Also, if you waited in line all night for tickets to a concert you'd been waiting four years to see, how would you feel if two people cut in front of you at the last minute and got the last two tickets... Think about it.
3) Experience: While Clinton supporters claim that their candidate has "more experience" than Senator Obama, that too is a delusional concept. Not only does the senator from Illinois have more years holding political office than former First Lady Clinton does, he's shown far greater management skill than she possesses. She was handed the nomination on a silver platter and managed to totally screw it up!
4) The "white blue-collar" argument: Once more a complete delusion. It's no secret that Rush Limbah et. al. have been telling their listeners for months to vote for Clinton in the primaries, and that's exactly what they've been doing. How did Clinton win Ohio? Pennsylvania? Hmmm...
Finally, as an Obama supporter who's been saying since last summer that the ticket should be Obama for President and Clinton for Vice President, I agree with George Stephanopolous about the reason Mrs. Clinton fights on, and sincerely believe she should keep doing it. There are obviously hurt feelings on BOTH sides, and if Senator Clinton can continue to "keep it clean" while campaigning, it will give Senator Obama an opportunity to show her supporters that he IS sensitive to that. Only then can the healing begin that is NECESSARY to defeat a third Bush administration in the fall.
Look at the facts, Half the people that will vote at the General election has not voted at this point. I am an independent and I support Hillary because, she is the strongest canadite. Only one or two states let their independents vote in the primary. Obama is not experienced enough to do anything for us. Look at Florida, the republicans running the state again interfered and took our voice away for the 3rd election on a row. If Obama chooses Hilary as V.P. it would not be good for him since he associated her as the same old politics.
I am upset with the news media stating Obama has the support of the independent voters, Rememeber, the poll that the independents where going to decide this election because over 50% of the voters are regestered as so. So the remaining 50% is divided by the republicans and the democrats so the democrats have about 2/3 of these voters and they are divided between him and her.
I want to hear something concrete of what he can do for us not a speech carefully wriiten not to offend. He stands for nothing so far.
If he wins the nomination I will not vote at all for neither side as the republicans that support him are hoping. Many others will do the same, and it has nothing to do with race it has to do with what can he really do.
I will vote for Obama if he is the Democratic nominee but I don't think that he a chance. I tried to see him when he visited Idaho but did not make it into the packed arena. Some see his success in states like Idaho as a positive sign but don't kid yourselves. Every Democrat in Idaho tried to see Obama that day. It made for a crowd but there aren't many Democrats in Idaho. Democratic candidates that appeal to loyal Democratic minorities are a bad omen. Many of the people waiting in line were College students, fellow co-op members, peace activist and so on. These people have given us a string of valiant losers and I'm afraid they have found another one. I will follow the faithful and vote for the Democratic candidate but I wish we could be more pragmatic.
politicjock...well done.
Its always the same...Hillary is a liar, no she's not, yes she is.
How much more disgrace and dishonor do we need in the Presidency? Is everyone willing to look the other way conerning the Clinton Scandals? How much is enough....I don't care how much experience you have....is there line you can cross where you are banned from heaping any more embarrassment on the
White House? You would not tolerate that crap from your friends, family or people you work with....so why give them the highest position there is?
Wait for the scandal to hit...its coming. Hillary will pull something out on Obama, it will fit nicely with the sympathy vote she has going on right now. She will stand there innocently as the news roils the press saying 'I told you so...'. This lady is dirty, and will mud-sling until she's satisfied. If I were Obama, I would not turn my back on her, even with the lead.
You heard it here.....we are all just waiting for some scandal news to hit that implicates Obama...we have yet to see the real fireworks. With everything on the line, expect the Clintons to pull everything out.
I think the most important thing Politicjock said was that she claims to represent everyone...a woman of the people...yet she mocks entire party with her claims/demands to change the rules. When she sits down to re-educate the rules committee....watch her come out with a victory....and the whole country loses.
Here is what a vote for McCain means:
1. Support for the man who voted for the most lopsided bankruptcy bill in 2005. This bill essentially gave banks the freedom to pursue predatory lending practices with minimal accountability. Please read up on this bill before you cast your vote for McCain : http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/6/63144/06015
2. Bush-like ignorance of foreign policy.
3. Bush-like ignorance on economics.
There are many more things to consider objectively and dispassionately. Emotionally charged voting without considering the real issues is what happened in the last 2 elections. We (The US as we know it today) can't afford a third strike.
Does anyone ever think that maybe HRC staying in is a blessing in disguise? The sooner she drops out the sooner the Republican attack dogs focus on Obama. Possibly the longer she stays the greater our chances are in Nov.
So, let's check facts. Both candidates agree to abide by party rules in Michigan and Florida, then Hilary changes her mind and puts her name on the ballot, Obama does not. The message is that cheaters should continue to do so.
Hilary is behind in every single category; popular vote, states won, delegates, superdelegates and national polls. She is broke because no one is giving her money. Obama has a lower average donation than Hilary because he has nearly twice as many people giving him money since most of her money came from big donors. Why is no one on Hilary's team concerned about how many small business people she is taking advantage of. $20 million in debt is a lot of money which she can continue to deny but it is coming out of the pockets of regular people. She has no respect for anyone other than herself and has proven it time and time again.
Contrary to many here, this is not the closest campaign in history. At least six have been closer and in every one of those the losing candidate was behind in at least one of the aforementioned categories. It's fine. Let's go to the convention so Hilary can lose publicly and with no dignity. After all Bill has certainly lost his.
Are people REALLY surprised that AA voters all went over to Obama after Bill Clinton's comments in the South Carolina race? Come on now - Hill had much stronger support in the AA community before that time and the Clintons have always been beloved in the AA community - until Bill tried to completely marginalize Obama by using his race against him.
You can't pull that crap and then act surprised when it comes back to bite you. Sorry people - it's called reaping what you sow.
Let's get this straight: Obama is not an elitist.
Giving an opponent with a pejorative label is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Part two of that trick is to repeat it often enough - it then begins t have a life of its own. That's the trick that was used to link Saddam to terrorism and attack Iraq.
Obama was raised by a single mother of modest means, for crying out loud.
Hillary Clinton used another trick in the book - projection. To hide her elitism, she attributed Obama with that weakness and repeated it often enough. Her household made 109 million dollars over the last eight years - that would be unimaginably more than most of the poor, uneducated White folks who she says are her support base.
For the record, calling your own supporters "poor and uneducated" makes you an condescending elitist.
Politicjock, Your assesment sounds like you have no opinion of your own. Only the opinion that you heard on Cable news. It is truly sad that so many Obama supporters bring down his campaign by making this a divisive issue. They are both great candidates. They both have said things and have changed their rhetoric. So it confuses me why so many and mainly Obama supporters spend the whole time creating and feeding the political rhetoric while at the same time condemning the candidates for doing so. It is a nature of the beast but seriously there are other ways to look at it than what the Media tells us to. If you look at both of their actions you can see that at this point Obama and Hillary are playing together. Nothing said on either side has been that damaging. It is blown out of proportion. They are both now preaching the same tune of unity and support. This campaign shoudl continue because it is healthy democracy. Why does everyone make this into a bad thing. Sure there is name calling from Obama and Hillary on both sides but there is in any political race. Neither of the 3 candidates are ever able to say that they have not played the game. Don't be weak educated clones and only listen to what you hear or read, think outside of the book.
If Hillary is smart....she would go independant and then who wins???? this is what is happening!! if the superdelegates wanted obama to win (osama bin laden) they would have made him a winner already..but they are skeptical....hillary will let no one get over her nor will she be pushed around if president but on the other hand osama will be pushed around and be told how and when to make decisions....could this be from all of the dummies who are backing him...hmmmmm!!! as far as racism.....thank cnn and the rest of the media!! who cares about white or blacks? a vote is a vote!! "paul" you could not have said it better!! watch all hillary backers go republican or not vote!! what could be worse.....mccain (who is american) or osama who will destroy our country and is not american???? then all those who voted for him can pat themselves on the back or run for your life!!! GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!
In total agreement with this article. Clintons believe this election is their birth right . I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that they are playing the race card. After all, Bill Clinton was nick named first African american president.
J.P.
You believe ClintonLand is wanting to "change the rules," but wasn't it Obamamaniacs who started this refrain a long time ago: "Superdelegates shouldn't vote against the will of the people." The Obama camp began changing that rule -- superdelegates have an independent vote -- a loooonnnnnngggg time ago. We might not like THAT rule, but the automatic delegates--so-called superdelegates--CAN vote anyway they like. Unless peer pressured or politically motivated to do otherwise.
HillaryFan - you are absolutely despicable. You write like a 3rd grade Republican. And look what happened to them in Mississippi last night. It's people like you that give HRC supporters a bad name. Idiot.
Clinton has every right to stay in the race. The more you try stop our rights, the more you make us angry!
politicjock...well done.
Its always the same...Hillary is a liar, no she's not, yes she is.
How much more disgrace and dishonor do we need in the Presidency? Is everyone willing to look the other way conerning the Clinton Scandals? How much is enough....I don't care how much experience you have....is there line you can cross where you are banned from heaping any more embarrassment on the
White House? You would not tolerate that crap from your friends, family or people you work with....so why give them the highest position there is?
Wait for the scandal to hit...its coming. Hillary will pull something out on Obama, it will fit nicely with the sympathy vote she has going on right now. She will stand there innocently as the news roils the press saying 'I told you so...'. This lady is dirty, and will mud-sling until she's satisfied. If I were Obama, I would not turn my back on her, even with the lead.
You heard it here.....we are all just waiting for some scandal news to hit that implicates Obama...we have yet to see the real fireworks. With everything on the line, expect the Clintons to pull everything out.
I think the most important thing Politicjock said was that she claims to represent everyone...a woman of the people...yet she mocks entire party with her claims/demands to change the rules. When she sits down to re-educate the rules committee....watch her come out with a victory....and the whole country loses.
I have never found Quinnipiac polls to be that great. In fact most polls create more confusion than light. The polls that count show Obama with a near insurmountable lead. Those were the polls in the elections and