More fractures among Democrats

So, between Bush, McCain, Clinton, and Obama...which one of the four do you think that the Muslim world will be compelled to hate?

Is it the "Devil Bush" you say?

Quite the contrary.

As a convert to Christianity, Obama is viewed as an apostate by the Muslim world...and once this concept ripples thru the Muslim world...this will be the biggest election issue of all..dwarfing every other issue.

Their religion compels them to treat an apostate even below that of a killer and a rapist. Obama has to square this issue when he says that he can communicate better with Muslims. According to their fundamental beliefs, this issue cannot be squared.

This issue is the sleeping gorrila, I think.

The so called dream ticket is the dumbest idea that democrats could think of. Let us be real, the Clintons and the Bushes are not the only families fit to rule America. The USA is a country of 300 milion people, and the chances of anybody or family going to the White House is more than 1 to 200 million. Let us get over this sentimental talk of dream ticket and move on. The Clintons must step aside and let the country breath a fresh sign of relief!

God I hope HRC is not the VP nominee. I can't stand her. This will hurt Obama with independents and republican voters and drive McCain's base out. He doesn't gain anything with her on the ticket.

Sicilian Eagle, how can Obama be an apostate if he never was a Muslim? Is Obama somehow tainted because his father married a Christian woman?

Well, we have a tradition of not getting along with fanatics 'cause no matter what you do you're wrong. So, if some in the muslim world wants to treat the American President as an abomination, it's their choice. There is nothing new about Americans being treated badly by fanatics no matter what color or religion or God they believe in. Nothing new about this. Obama will be President. If the fanatics want to keep their faith by strapping themselves with explosives that's their choice. Everytime one of them blows themselves up there is one less of them to worry about. Me, I belive in Obama, the US of America, and Smith and Wesson. So, if a picture of Mohammed makes you mad, that's too bad. Just remember we are all bitter already, and we too are gun totting proud Americans like Obama says. Control the nuts not the guns.

Obama has serious issues, he cant bribe to get latino, working class blue collar voters to vote for him, so there goes FL, OH, PA, WV, NM, NV, MI, as you see total media support does not help as well. So he is going to be counting on his voters plus 25% of hillary supprters. Mc Cain is going to get atleast 30% of hillary supporters plus his own republican base... McCain wins. Country is deeply divided. Obama has a lot of double standards, if his freinds come under scrutiny he distances himself from them and says I had nothing to do with them example Wright, Tony Rezko, etc. Also what about the voting may be on 100 IL issues.

Obama supporters, by yelling louder and jamming up the internet does not mean Obama is getting more support. See things as a neutral person, it might help

Sicilian Eagle, since when did we run our country according to how others countries want us to. You also make not distinction between the vast minority of conservative Muslims who are radical and the governments who rule the countries they live in.

This issue is a smoke screen.

"As a convert to Christianity..."

Nice try. When I read this sort of drivel I always have to wonder whether the author really believes such absurdities, despite all evidence that Obama is not and never has been a Muslim. I was stunned to read a recent poll that a full 15% of Americans claim to believe that he is. 15 percent! How is this possible in the modern information age? Perhaps "Eagle" is just another internet troll, but who are these other people?

I'm not worried about the Muslim world's view on Obama. They can't possibly hate him any more than Bush and his party's war on Islam.

You missed one piont in the article that said because Obama's father abandoned him he would not be considered to have the fathers religion. Also it mentioned that barack's dad was a atheist.

See things as a neutral person, it might help
Posted by Jack Barrrone

Why is it that there are so many Americans who have a serious problem with telling the truth?

Obama will be loved and supported in the rest of the world because he comes off as a man of peace who respects other people. He's not a belligerent and chauvinistic war monger like McCain. Just like most every true Christian, most every Muslim just wants peace in the world and a United States that acts like a partner and not a bully.

I don't think Clinton as VP is in her best interests, really, and I doubt she or her campaign thinks so. If he loses to McCain, she's associated with his loss, if he wins but is only a one-termer a la Jimmy Carter, it's the same, and if he wins and goes 2 terms and she even still wants to go for President, having been his VP is not that much of a boost (VP-dom didn't help Al Gore).

She's more likely to use the considerable leverage she has over her supporters, who, despite what Obama's supporters and key strategists are warbling about now, he does actually need to win in November, to get some of her campaign debt paid off and possibly a strong post-election position, like Sen. Majority Leader.

I think Sicilian Eagle is the sleeping gorilla, having eaten too many bananas and now having dreams of monkey business.

I am fed up with society telling Hill to pull the plug. As far as I am concerned, it is just another media tactic and the US Citizens should not be fooled by unfair play.

Stop trying to bully Hilliary with your fowl tactics and let the lady lead!

If Hillary can get her campaign in 20 Million Dollars of debt, just imagine what she can do for our country!

Dream ticket? Surely you jest.

Hillary's presence in the Veep slot would bring all of the negative baggage from the Clinton years and little of the 90's peace-and-prosperity benefits. It would energize the Clinton-hating GOP base. It would saddle an Obama administration with uncertainties about just what Bill was up to, and how much the legacy of Dick Cheney was surviving to make the Vice President's office a second center for palace intrigue and back channel influence peddling.

Even if such a ticket won in November of 2008, it would be a blue print drafted in hell for purposes of day-to-day governing beginning in January, 2009.

Instead, Bill Clinton should be US ambassador to the UN. Hillary should stay in the Senate, concentrate on being majority leader. Barack should pick Bill Richardson or Janet Nepalitano for the Vice Presidential slot, and persuade John Edwards to break the mold, and campaign openly for the Democratic ticket as Attorney General in waiting, promising to restore respect for the rule of law.

Bill from Saginaw

Obama has serious issues, he cant bribe to get latino, working class blue collar voters to vote for him, so there goes FL, OH, PA, WV, NM, NV, MI, as you see total media support does not help as well. So he is going to be counting on his voters plus 25% of hillary supprters. Mc Cain is going to get atleast 30% of hillary supporters plus his own republican base... McCain wins. Country is deeply divided. Obama has a lot of double standards, if his freinds come under scrutiny he distances himself from them and says I had nothing to do with them example Wright, Tony Rezko, etc. Also what about the voting may be on 100 IL issues.

Obama supporters, by yelling louder and jamming up the internet does not mean Obama is getting more support. See things as a neutral person, it might help

Posted by Jack Barrrone, PA
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Jack, your last comment is hypocritical! You bash Senator Obama and blame him for the actions of others, who are you to appoint yourself as the judge and jury? Then you go on to say: "See things as a neutral person, it might help". You, neutral?? You sound like a hateful fault-finding ignoramous.....the ONLY reasons you state why your hate Senator Obama is your perceived "guilt by association". Are ALL your friends and family members PERFECT?? Are YOU perfect?? As Jesus said, "You who are without sin, cast the first stone". Remember everybody walked away??

Senator Obama has EARNED his nomination for President, he has worked very hard and he has ALREADY united millions of Americans by inspiring them and motivating to become involved in our Presidential Election Processes; the HUGE numbers of voters at the polls are solely due to his tireless efforts and those of his campaign team, volunteers, and supporters. Senator Obama has rune the best campaign in U.S. History!!

On the other hand, Hilliary has run a choatic, divisive, race-baiting, and highly dishonest campaign filled with slander, lies, fraudulant claims to experience, dishonesty, condescension, hate, anger, division of states, only large states with big delegates count, smaller states are not important and do not matter, caucus states are not important, don't count, and are undemocratic---she herself said this, Mark Penn sais this, Wolfson said this! She has run a campaign filled with slash-and-burn tactics! She obviously has little knowledge of economic matters, she cannot even handle her campaign funds. She was broke by the time she got to New Hampshire and has not recovered since; has had to LOAN her own campaign over $11 Million to keep herself afloat. Would YOU hire such a person to manage YOUR company????

How an individual runs his/her campaign is highly indicative as to how they will govern.

1. He says he didn't have a religion until he got together with Wright 20 years ago, there's some quality judgment for ya'!
Are all you people in denial, or is it that you don't read too well? Obama is NOT black, not an Afro-American, he's an ARAB-American! He's 50% white (mother was 100%), 44% arab (father was 88%), and 6% black (father was 12%)! Does that sound like black to you? His father officially listed himself as arab, Obama's full name is arabic. Even if Obama should be elected (God forbid), he will still not be the first "black President", because he isn't BLACK! All this is is race-pandering, the liberals trying to get all the blacks to vote for Obama by declaring him to be the "first black candidate with a chance to be elected President!" Basically, they are lying to everybody (not unusual for liberals) and you're buying it! Why don't you simply ask Obama to personally deny it on TV? He won't, because he knows his lie will be instantly exposed, and that will destroy him! Me, I don't like being lied to. Go, Hillary!
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@Sicilian Eagle.

What you say would be true if Obama were ever a muslim in the first place. Please check your opinions against facts, else they may be wrong.

Actually, yesterday's New York Times op-ed piece a story about what I wrote above.

According to Islam, the son automatically assumes the father's religion. Both Obama's father and step-father were Muslims...and according to Indonesian school records, Obama was enrolled as a Muslim.

He is viewed in the Muslim world as n apostate.

It makes no difference though...he converted to Christianity,and if elected, an apostate will have a tough time, for sure.

For example: Good Muslims could not provide security for him if he were ever to

visit a Muslim state.. Thus he could never ,for example, negotiate with any Sunni
Wahhabi or fundamentalist (read: Iranian) Shia.

This will be an issue down the line.

Clinton and Obama are and have been neck and neck. Obama does not have a major lead over Clinton at all and his supporters don't have a clue what a weakness that will be against McCain if they are so rabidly divided. They simply are not looking ahead and they themselves are inexperienced in the whole election process it seems. Joining Obama and Clinton has all along been the best idea, best ticket. The Dems. have this election in the bag, no matter what Rep. they are up against. The Republicans have proven they are wrought with corruption. But the Dems. need to be smart about it. And who cares who "Muslim's" hate more, they don't differentiate American's the way American's do. Fundamentalist thinking is toxic to everyone. Period.

RACE

Obama is where he is due to racism (polls show 92% of blacks for Obama), and media bias where the networks don't want to risk the race card accusation. In other words racism has been highly in Clinton's disfavor. Otherwise Obama would be history. Not something he or America should be proud of.

We do not want the Clintons back in the White House, period!! I would suggest everyone give Senator Obama a big hand for beating the formidable Clintonion Machine! ! Since he has beaten the Clintons, I have no doubt whatsoever that he will beat McCain as well and become our President and Commander and Chief!

Folks, this is not a game of tiddlywinks, this is a serious matter and we must unite the party and support our democratic nominee. I don't know about the rest of you, I surely do not want the folks who are unimformed making the dicisions for us! Reading articles about why a lot of WV folks gives us some insight as to how they think.....a lot of these people live in the stone age and have not moved forward with the rest of the country. I wouldn't be too proud of these votes, but certainly, Hilliary is!!!

PS: I am not saying all WV residents feel this way, I am saying "a lot of them do".

Some people look for something to use to attack their opponent regardless of the merit of the argument. I've seen several kooks say Obama is the anti-Christ. I have no idea where this notion comes from and I've asked. Did it come from church, hate radio or what? Now they try to neutralize the obvious advantage he would have in ME discussion by claiming that Muslims would think him lowly. The truth is, he is favored by most of the people in the world. The big exception are the religious Republicans who buy everything their Limbaughs say.

As Jimi Hendrix said..." There's just too much CONFUSION, I CAN'T GET NO
RELIEF.", (in ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER.). Why do Americans listen to the
OFFAL spread across the FOURTH ESTATE? As we were to have been taught in
our twelve or more years of education, the best way to KNOW anything is to go
directly TO THE SOURCE . People, there are MANY people from the regions
that we have questions about, just ASK THEM! If we continue to let someone else,
(ME=SELF, DIA=FEMENINE OMNIPOTENCE.), skew the truths that are SO SIMPLE
to gather? Then comments, like that of Sicilian Eagle, will contain better content.
Why is it that the rest of the world can trade an honest opinion amongst themselves and we STRUGGLE? THIS is why voters are fractious.

So let me get this straight. The Muslim world will hate Obama for NOT being Mulsim AND Hamas wants Obama to be president? Which is it??? Maybe you internet spammers should try settling on one story before waging your dirty smear campaign.

The truth is Obama is not and NEVER was Muslim. His mother was a white woman from Kansas who was raised Christian and his father was an atheist from Africa (who, incidentally, abandoned Obama when he was 2 years old).

As for the "Hamas" garbage, the truth behind that smear is simply that a political advisor to the former Palestinian prime minister said this about Obama:

"I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24586279#24586279

Gallup didn't ask me. I do not see anything constructive about Clinton's mouth or face on Obama's campaign or ticket. He would be better off without the job if he has to drag Hillary and Bill along with him. How's he going to change anything with those two subterfuging and sabotaging everything. He sure can't make her budget director. She can't be state department, she's already offered to obliterate Iran.Hiring her would be like hiring the applicant who would run you down in the parking garage to have your job. I see bloggers with all the major media thanks to Google and even the people who like her and love her don't really want her in second place. So Gallup says 55 percent want Obama to offer her the VP job. That must be 55 percent of somebody who never shows up in these blog-a-thons.

The confidence that your candidate is better suited for the job ahead is part of politics. Clinton has very loyal and vocal backers, as does Obama. It has been acknowledged many times that there is little difference in policy between the two. There are huge differences between them and McCain's policies. The supporters of Clinton or Obama have to ask themselves a question. If I were not supporting the winner of the Democratic Party, Why would I vote for McCain? The experience argument, while it might be a reason to back Clinton over Obama, by no means bridges the gap in policy of McCain.

I am a Republican. I dislike Hillary. I don't care for McCain. I will vote for Obama. If there is an Obama/Clinton ticket, I will vote for Obama. It is time for a change.

"Me, I don't like being lied to. Go, Hillary!"

That's a bizarre combination of sentences if you ask me.

I am just one lone voice but, I must urge Barak Obama, in the strongest terms I can muster, to NOT put 'BIllary' on his ticket. She is an 'old school' conniving, pious, holier than thou, knows what is better for you and me better than we do, a socialist from the get-go and would put this country on a bullet train to socialism if given half the chance. She would sell her daughter to get elected and is nurse 'rachet' reincarnated. And for the women out there I would like to say that I do hope that someday we have a woman as president. Just NOT this woman. Don't vote for chromosomes, vote for what is best for this country and it is NOT this woman, this Hillary Clinton.
Someone like Sam Nunn would be a highly enlightened choice.

The Kitchen sink bounced back,The turban didnt fit, Wright showed he was his own man,middle name 'Hussein' didnt ring a bell, 'Electability' backfired, 'National Security' inexperience couldnt fly, what will they think of next?

All Along The Watchtower is by Bob Dylan

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Man, the comments left here is exactly why religion and politics don't mix.

Obama is clearly Christian. Regardless what his absentee father was. He was raised by his mom, and his grandparents. He was raised non-religious. He was brought into the christian faith in Chicago, because of the good things the Unity Church represents. Here's a guy that analyzes things from all angles, not myophicly. That's what makes him a good man, not all this other association garbage you guys like to drum up... jeez!

When John Kennedy ran for Pres, there were similar fears... because he was Roman Catholic. Like he was going to run the Presidency with orders from the Pope!

Who cares if Obama's ancestry had Muslim in it? Or Arab? It makes him a better more well rounded person, more suited to tackle today's multi-faceted problems. It makes him a better President of the United States. Let's unite behind that concept, not tear each other apart over it.

I just watched Pat Robertson gleefully talk about the "blood bath" that the Republican attack machine would unleash on Obama this fall.
If your religious leaders whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish.... are appealing to or condone this type of attack, you should really question their leadership. We all were given an intelligence to discern when we were being misled. One thing I know is if somebody is trying to convert you to their candidate or religion and all they have is negative attacks on your candidate or religion you are being misled. The appeal to the darker prejudiced sides of our nature should always be guarded against.

Read carefully:

1. There is no mention in this article about Obama being a Muslim, or a convert to Christianity. Just to clear the air on that foolishness, Barack Obama is a Christian.

2. The so-called dream ticket would be a combination out of hell. Hillary Clinton has added significant negatives to any potential Clinton candidacy. Obama does not need any of that, because at this stage the negatives outweigh the positives.

3. The vast majority of people who say she should stop actively campaigning, do so because it is mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination and because those people have perceived her campaign behavior as divisive and in some instances as appalling.

Now, about “fractures” and “divisions” among Democrats. It strikes me that the use of that characterization of these poll results is less than objective. Democrats no matter who they have backed in the primary races will most likely agree on one objective in November, and that is victory for the Democratic Party. The elective process by its very nature produces winners and losers. It is not unreasonable to expect that those who have supported one candidate over another are less likely to want to see the opposite candidate on the ticket. Polls produce snapshots in time. The real question is how will voters respond when they cast their vote in November.

SJB? When Hillary lied, it wasn't equivalent to Obama's lies about his 20-year associations with the racist, anti-American, anti-white "Rev." Wright, what he heard or knew when, and with William Ayers, who bombed several government buildings in this country, was photographed walking on this country's flag, or Ayers' wife who, with Ayers, declared that they were only sorry for not having done more bombing in this country. In many socialist or communist countries, the Ayers would be rotting in jail, or lying in shallow, unmarked graves. Obama doesn't want to wear a flag pin or do anything else to indicate any patriotism for this country. He thinks he can BS enough morons in this country to win without compromising his anti-American beliefs or his wife's barely concealed racism. God forbid. The heroes who fought for this country and others in World War II would be disgusted by Obama and all of his supporters, as would FDR, Truman, JFK, etc., as well as Dr. King.

Ok, Cindy, you say "Who cares if Obama's ancestry had Muslim in it? Or Arab?" Let's hear you say that there is nothing wrong with the DNC lying to black people and telling them that Obama would be the first black President if he won! Is 50% white, 44% arab, and 6% black "black"? He can't be the first black President, even if he wins, because he isn't BLACK! If he was 1% less white, and 1% Irish in its place, in addition to arab and black, would he be Irish? What a bunch of morons!

I just watched Pat Robertson gleefully talk about the "blood bath" that the Republican attack machine would unleash on Obama this fall.
If your religious leaders whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish.... are appealing to or condone this type of attack, you should really question their leadership. We all were given an intelligence to discern when we were being misled. One thing I know is if somebody is trying to convert you to their candidate or religion and all they have is negative attacks on your candidate or religion you are being misled. The appeal to the darker prejudiced sides of our nature should always be guarded against.

Ok, Cindy, you say "Who cares if Obama's ancestry had Muslim in it? Or Arab?" Let's hear you say that there is nothing wrong with the DNC lying to black people and telling them that Obama would be the first black President if he won! Is 50% white, 44% arab, and 6% black "black"? He can't be the first black President, even if he wins, because he isn't BLACK! If he was 1% less white, and 1% Irish in its place, in addition to arab and black, would he be Irish? What a bunch of morons!

Mr.Barrone, the states of pa., ohio, nj, michigan, all have democratic govs. who control the political machinery of their respective states.Obama is going into these states with a big advantage.McCain is on the wrong side of the economy and the war, and 80% of americans think this is the wrong direction for the country.Don't go by previous elections, look at republican losses in Louisiana and Illinois.For the GOP there is a dark moon on the rise.

Obama is too smart to take HRC as his Veep. He wants to stay alive!

If Obama asks Clinton to run for Vice President he should call her at 3 o'clock in the morning.

I have family in N.Y, N.J, PA and FL. only one of us is voting for Obama. I am not sure who I am voting for but it will not be Obama. I will never forgive the media and Obama supporter for the way they have treated the Clintons.