More nudges for Clinton to drop out

The black racism in the North Carolina win cannot triumph over the nomination process. The Indiana win of a mere 9 counties by Obama out of more than 100 counties cannot triumph over the nomination process. Florida and Michigan must be counted; the remaining states must vote; and the superdelegates must then use their independent judgment to select the best qualified candidate for the presidency and that is Hillary Clinton. The fight for the future of America continues full speed ahead. Rational Democrats need to step up to the plate and make frequent contributions to the Hillary Clinton campaign.

George McGovern was the radical left wing candidate who lost all states except for one in the general election. Obama is the same radical left wing candidate who will surely lose against McCain, just like McGovern. McGovern is a loser with no standing and credibility to be making any comment about withdrawing.

Wow sounds like McGovern laid harm to your family. It doesn't matter who wins the Democratic nomination, either one will lose by a wide margin to the far better candidate, Mccain.
Just deal with it!!

Hey crat3! Are you sure it is not crazy3? Racism? Wow! Populations count not counties!!!! And Hillary AGREED to not have Michigan and Florida count when she thought she had the nomination locked up. Now in typical Clintonian fashion she wants changes to the rules to fit her needs. "Super delegates" and "Independent" in the same phrase? PLEASE!!! They are looking to hitch their wagon to whomever can get them the best hack job. I suppose YOU are a "rational democrat"? God help the party.

You and Lanny Davis should go out for a few drinks and then get on board the OBAMA train before it runs you over. Good luck

So I guess you're going to vote for McCain...because Obama WILL win the nomination. Look at the popular vote. Clearly the masses are supporting Obama.

Remember those 9 counties could have 90% of the population Obama almost won Indiana

Well, maybe... but Drudge just reported she will announce her departure soon.

correct me if i'm wrong here, but isn't Hillary the more radical candidate of the 2? Even if either candidate is percieved as more radical, neither Obama or Clinton represent the true left wing policies of the democratic party.

Hey crat3. Why didn't Hillary denounce McGovern and refuse his support when he endorsed her months ago?

I suppose anyone who had previously endorsed her to now support our Party's nominee will also have no standing and credibility. What say ye?

My friend crat3,

even if florida and michigan are counted, she cannot win. That's how bad the situation is for Hillary!

It doesn't really matter how many counties in Indiana won or lost or how many black people voted for him in NC, votes are votes. In the end, it's the numbers that matter, not the people who are voting or the locations they are coming from. The "nomination process" consists of totaling votes, regardless of who or where they come from. As far as I can see, it's working as designed.

Hillary needs to give up. It's over.

Time for Hillary to bow out. She can't win & she's only dragging the party down. I'm a white woman who proudly supports Obama. Hillary's negative campaigning AND vote for an immoral war lost her my vote and obviously the nomination too. It's time for a change! Don't be afraid America and don't buy into the "race" card. It's hooey.

Obama/Richardson 08!!!!

"black racism"? so when white people vote for a white candidate,thats not racism?

No: 1, It is sad that this race is becoming so polarized. What is this talk about Black racism? When blacks have consistently backed the democratic candidates by the same margin they backed Obama in other general elections. This is not the type of language we need to move this country forward and you are not making a good case for Hillary speaking so divisively.

lol thanks for the laughs crat3.

If you people get your way with Billary getting the nomination we can all look forward to the McCain years in the White House.

Black racism???? Are you kidding?? Seriously... you don't think there are white people who refuse to vote for him because he's black??? Rational Democrats???? She has no chance, he leads in every categorty from delegates to popular vote and you dumb it down to counties in Indiana? In the end she still only got 51% of the votes, so really, who cares about counties.

You, the Clinton supporter are the reason why this ridiculous and long drawn out process won't end. Take some of your own advice waste some money... make a donation, she apparently is in dire need of it. Now that's rational!

the above comment obviously comes from a Clinton fan who, among other, continues to fail to face reality...get over it! Obama will be our next president.

"The Indiana win of a mere 9 counties by Obama out of more than 100 counties cannot triumph over the nomination process"

crat3, please learn about demographics: if 90% of the population resides in those 9 counties, aren't those the important ones to win? Its not number of counties that wins, its number of votes. Obama's got more of those.

I'd rather not even touch your "black racism" comment, but surely the flip must apply: is there white racism at work in Indiana and Pennsylvania? Think before you speak.

Barack Obama represents what we need as a leader for this country. We have gone on long enough with liars in control.

I am going to vote for Barack Obama not because of his color, not because of his associates, not because McCain is old and out of touch with youth, and not because of faith or bitterness. I am going to vote for Barack Obama because he is the first step in taking back our country from political rats.

Maybe Barack cannot provide everything that he hopes too, but the fact that he will actually try is going to inspire more of the kind of people we need to lead this country. The kind of people that put personal, religious, and greedy beliefs behind them for the greater good of our nation.

Maybe after 4 years of Obama, the bar will be raised. Then idiots like Bush cannot just ride in on the backs of their fathers and take over the country. We will look to our president as an inspiring leader like we did in the beginning.

Down with this Prom Queen contest called the American presidency and up with a contest composed of people we consider better then ourselves. I, for one, want a president that is superior to me in intelligence, an elitist you might say.

NOT SOMEONE TO HANGOUT WITH.

crat3

You are delusional. The race is over.

crat3: Clearly you support your candidate to the extreme but it is time for you to let realism set in. Obama is going to be the nominee. Let's start unifying behind the Democrat who will be running against McCain. Obama is that candidate.

Rational Democrats need to step up to the plate and realize that any way you slice it, this race is over. I am a Hillary supporter but she has reached the end of the road. Time to rally the forces.

crat3, your comments about "black racism in North Carolina" are extremely offensive, not based on a shred of reality, and make you sound like a racist bigot yourself.

Sorry that you can't take back your post, but you might want to start thinking about why you are such a hateful person.

Such venom and paranoia has no place in modern society. It's 2008 isn't it time to aspire to something better than this type of vitriole.

Ignorance speaks again !!

Was it black racism that caused about 88% of blacks to be against the Iraq war from its inception? My point is that not all group agreement is based on race. Might it be your own racism that blinds you to the possibility that Obama is seen as the superior candidate by all those (black and white) who enthusiastically support him?

It is intresting to know that the first readers comment is almost always from the clinton campaign.

As the nation watched the results of the IN and NC primaries between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, many dreams and expectations for what began as a promising season were finally dashed.

The similarities between the end of this Democratic race and the recent Kentucky Derby race are stark in their realities.

In the Kentucky Derby race, you had a field of powerful male stallions and one philly, all vying for the top office... top prize. Likewise in the Democratic Primaries in what began 15 months ago with a crowded field of male stallions and one lone philly... all vying for the top office: the Democratic Nomination.

Without a doubt, during the Kentucky Derby the philly showed unusual strength and bested the bulk of the stallions in the pack. She demonstrated that she could run with the big boys and not miss her stride. Indeed in this Democratic race, in the last leg coming into the home stretch, the lone philly (Hillary) was able to intimidate --and yes almost overtake the stallion who eventually won: Big Brown (Obama). While all the world watched ... hoping she could prove that a female/philly had what it takes to challenge and beat the male/stallion, it was unfortunate that with all of the best effort she put forth, Eight Belle, like Hillary Clinton, was only able to come in a close 2nd.

So now, as the nation watches tonites election results ---that Kentucky Derby race is being played out all over again in our subconscious and right before our eyes.

And like the end results in the recent Derby, the voters... the grieving, hurting fans in the stands are begging the Super Delegates to bring this tragedy to an end by euthanizing the lone Philly. It was painful and an awful sight-- especially that the euthanization had to be done in front of all the world to see. But someone had to do it!

The real irony to the story is that while Big Brown Obama did indeed win the prize... his victory lap was Bittersweet. Because just like the 2008 Kentucky Derby, how many will remember that Big Brown won.... but rather will remember and forever talk about the horror of the killing of the philly!

Why must the FL & MI delegates be counted? They broke their own rules knowing the consequences and most candidates didn't even campaign. Hell. Obama wasn't even on the MI ballot.

Hey crat3, is it "white racism" when white people vote for Hillary? And what about all the young *white* people who vote for Obama? Is that "black racism" also?

Give it up. Yes, the nomination process will continue. And when it concludes with Sen. Obama having won more elected delegates, more states, and more popular votes, you're welcome to try and spin that as well.

to crat3:

Black racism? So the fact that in PA the majority of whites voted for HRC that is also white racism? The fact that in alomst every primary a large majority of "sisters" have voted for HRC that they are sexit? Please!! Get over it. She has lost big time because of her own problems.

crat3, I agree with your post, but that is not the reality of the situation. I truly wish it were, but we can't change the results and we can't change the Democratic Party rules. I think the Dem process is convoluted and ultimately unfair, the process should reflect the general election standards (winner take all). This is the way the Republicans do it, and it's the only idea they have that I think is worth a dime.

Since it's 99% sure Obama is the nominee, we can only hope that he can pull it off in the general, since McCain is 4 more years of misery and despair for the American people.

Black racism, please grow-up we need to come together to heal and grow OUR COUNTRY! It's all about America...

Has anyone done the Electroal College count based on the number of states that each candidate has won to date?

Clinton beats Obama 286 to 252 is that is giving both candidates a split among Michigan and Florida. In fact, if you give Obama all the remaining primary state electoral votes, he still loses 273 to 265.

In case you don't know how many electoral votes are needed to win the number is 270.

If you don't go with the numbers, then we're talking about another 4 years of a Republican President or as I like to call him "Reagan Lite"

Racism....I think it if funny you claim that, yet, Hillary's supporters only reason for not voting for O'bama is because he is black. Maybe black folk just want someone who won't feed them a bunch of hypocrisy, like Hillary offers, but honestly work for them.

I feel compelled to answer the only comment asserting that George McGovern was the "radical left wing candidate" back in '72. George was pretty much from the establishment. The peace candidate was "Clean Gene" McCarthy. Let's try to focus on the fact that Hillary was posing as savior of the working class, and that she's a multimillionaire lawyer that grew up in a wealthy Chicago suburb and went to Wellesley College. She was also on the board of Wallmart, the most anti-union company in the world. Let's get real here. The Billary Clinton era was marked by the Free Trade deal and the de-industrialization of the country, and the death of the working class. I'd vote for anyone but that crass opportunist...

Why do I get the feeling crat3 is actually a repub. and not an actual Clinton supporter.

It is over, even Hillary knows it.

And "rational" Democrats will align behind the party's nominee. Anything and anyone is better than a McCain extension of the worst 8 leadership years this country has ever been subjected to.

If I ever heard a case of sour grapes, it is crat3's post. Obama did not merely win 9 counties in Indiana but 49% of the vote; that is 49% of the actual people, not geographical lines.

Black racism? Does that mean that if Clinton receives an overwhelming amount of the women's vote it is female sexism? Which means that the elderly vote becomes senior ageism?

Hillary is only prolonging the inevitable while hurting the Democratic Party and ultimately the people of the United States whom she claims to hold in her highest interest.

regarding the post from above: "When does genius turn to madness"? Enough. You lost.

She should pull out of the race. Hillary agreed to the rules around Florida and Michigan. Wanting to change them now simply because she is loosing is a major flip-flop and, an embarassing one at that. All the phony indignation she can muster should not be allowed to change the primary rules and the process that was agreed to upfront should be allowed to come to a natural conclusion.

Rational Democrats need to step up to the plate and urge her to bail out now. If by some miracle she was to get the nomination, she can count on losing the black vote and in key states handing the election to McCain.

black racism? how about white racism?...people won't vote for Barack merely because he is black. I think that is pretty racist myself. If it were 2 black men could you say that 90% voted for him because he is black? How about the genderists that are merely voting for Clinton because they want a woman president? What about the people who care about the issues...like me? I would vote for Barack over Hillary and McCain because of the issues...and not issues like his race or religion or gender. For some it IS about the issues and not all of this non sense

It's absolutely true that Clinton will not stop until her last supporter concedes that she can't win. Sadly, that won't happen, and crat3's comments are emblematic of why. Black racism? Are you kidding? Don't chalk up an entire Democratic core of votes to racism. They're voting their interests, which really aren't that different from anyone else's.

The term "electability" is where the racism lies, and it's just subtle enough to be thrown around without much examination. The rhetoric of "our country isn't ready for a black president" needs to end, and those who are challenging the "electability" of Obama need to take a good look at themselves and take responsibility for their own attitudes and how they contribute to the intolerance that they are so quick to attribute to "America" at large.

The "nomination process" has already pretty much proven that Obama will be the candidate. You need to get good with the possibility of a black president.

Hillary can be president of a bunch of unpopulated counties in Indiana. The fact of the matter is that, where the people live in Indiana, they voted for Obama. I'm white and I support Obama. I have good friends and family in Montana, Idaho, California, Texas, Georgia, Oregon, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Virginia, Missouri, Alabama and Minnesota all of whom are (very) white and all of whom support Obama. Just because black people vote for a black man doesn't make it racist, foo.

But there are people who cling to their guns and religion who would never vote for a black man. But that's fine. I believe most of the country is beyond them and that Obama's message has penetrated on both coasts and in the heartland. Yes We Can!

Umm, McGovern was supporting Hillary Clinton until today. So, the comments you make about him, now that he isn't supporting her... do they apply to when he was?

I agree with previous comment, I cannot agree more that Obama will fall to defeat as badly as super-liberals McGovern and Dukakis. He has the most liberal voting record in Congress. Also, I keep hearing how everyone will be upset if the nomination is stolen from Obama, yet isn't Clinton's chances being stolen by the way Michigan and Florida was handled. I had vowed to never vote for a Republican again but then the good ole Democrats found a way to lose the general election by throwing rampant liberalism at us. Guess if the choice is Obama mine will have to be McCain.

Hilary can fight until the end, but she's damaging her own reputation in the process. There is also white racisim in North Carolina and Indiana, and yet he still one the majority of the popular vote, it doesn't matter how many tiny counties she won. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan, so there is no way Clinton can claim a victory there.

George McGovern is a Clinton supporter, so if he is a left wing radicalist, then he's Hilary's left wing radicalist.

wow this person is "bitter"

you know its the total votes- as in every single person, not just who dominated a county...

To Crat3: Yes, Obama won an overwhelming majority of the black vote in North Carolina, but that is not the only metric by which he won the state by 230,000 votes. Yes, Obama won flat-out in only 9 counties in Indiana, but of the total votes cast in the state he got 49%. The political fallout would catastrophic for whoever the Democratic nominee is in the general election if the DNC goes against its own rules and seats the Florida and Michigan delegates based on the results of bogus elections. George McGovern, radical left wing "loser" or not, is still a superdelegate whose voice and decision matters whether you like it or not. His switch from Clinton to Obama will doubtless be demonized by many of Clinton's supporters who still refuse to accept the reality of the situation today and who will continue this losing fight out of sheer stubbornness until the party implodes and we get yet another Republican in the White House. For someone who supposedly is in this because she loves her country and doesn't want to see it fall backward, Hillary, by continuing the fight and constantly trying to change the rules and the definition of whose votes count, is making a mockery of her party and is damaging its chances of achieving what was once a shared vision for America. It's really sad to watch.

Indiana is 94 % white. If Obama got 49 % of the total vote, that means a lot of whites voted for him. Obama has won practically every state in the deep South. He could not have done that without the support of a lot of white voters. It appears to me that racism is more alive in certain areas of the North than it is in the rest of the country. Sad to say.

Give me a break!

I take it crat3 is one of the MILLIONS of republicals (if you look up the definition of republican in the dictionary you'll find that those who support the GOP are only really psuedo-republican) who voted for Hillary in the primaries because they don't think McCain can beat Obama.

In fact, Obama was correct this morning in calling his North Carolina showing "a decisive victory." And as today's Globe quotes him as saying of Indiana, "we did much better than all the pundits predicted, despite Republicans changing parties to support Senator Clinton, believing she would be easier for Senator McCain to defeat."

It would be refreshing to see a republical using something other than deception in an argument or election once in a while.

The majority of Hllary's backers are hoping for a position in her admininstration. They don't care about real change. And if Hillary can't keep tabs on her ol' man and the cigar box, how and the heck is she going to keep an eye on the world's problem's?

George McGovern was hardly a left wing candidate. Compare Obama to Nader and Obama seems to be a right wing candidate. I am also tired of hearing that Obama is black and America won't elect a black man. One day this kind of backward racist division must end. America has been voting for him and in large numbers. The democratic vote has been split because both candidates are good choices. "Rational democrats need to step up" and get behind a candidate that can win. And with the popular vote and the "elitist delegates" Obama is the nominee.

51/49 is not a victory.

My goodness, Crat3 -- you are one angry person.

OBAMA, YAHOOOO!!!

Obama was supposed to lose against Hillary from the outset. Yet he has steadly gained on her. It appears that Hillary is a loser and Obama is in fact a winner.

ookkk........ take a chill pill...... its over......

crat3, you're a fool.

Crat3 you fail to mention that the 9 counties Obama won had most of the population. To say that each county is equal when one has 0.1% of the pop compared to 8-14% is ridiculous

"The letter that David Plouffe sent out late last night to the superdelegates (why this is not newsworthy is a little puzzling to me):
there are only six contests remaining in the Democratic primary
calendar and only 217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7
percent of the pledged delegates remain on the table. There are 260
remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 477 delegates left
to be awarded.

With North Carolina and Indiana complete,
Barack Obama only needs 172 total delegates to capture the Democratic
nomination. This is only 36% of the total remaining delegates.

Conversely,
Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination,
which represents a startling 68% of the remaining delegates.

With
the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new
and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days. While those
scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be
considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters,
volunteers, and donors.

We believe it is exceedingly unlikely
Senator Clinton will overtake our lead in the popular vote and in fact
lost ground on that measure last night. However, the popular vote is a
deeply flawed and illegitimate metric for deciding the nominee - since
each campaign based their strategy on the acquisition of delegates.
More importantly, the rules of the nomination are predicated on
delegates, not popular vote.

Just as the Presidential election
in November will be decided by the electoral college, not popular vote,
the Democratic nomination is decided by delegates.

If we
believed the popular vote was somehow the key measurement, we would
have campaigned much more intensively in our home state of Illinois and
in all the other populous states, in the pursuit of larger raw vote
totals. But it is not the key measurement. We played by the rules, set
by you, the DNC members, and campaigned as hard as we could, in as many
places as we could, to acquire delegates. Essentially, the popular vote
is not much better as a metric than basing the nominee on which
candidate raised more money, has more volunteers, contacted more
voters, or is taller.

The Clinton campaign was very clear
about their own strategy until the numbers become too ominous for them.
They were like a broken record , repeating ad nauseum that this
nomination race is about delegates. Now, the word delegate has
disappeared from their vocabulary, in an attempt to change the rules
and create an alternative reality.

We want to be clear - we
believe that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates will and
should be the nominee of our party. And we estimate that after the
Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20, we will have won a majority of
the overall pledged delegates According to a recent news report, by
even their most optimistic estimates the Clinton Campaign expects to
trail by more than 100 pledged delegates and will then ask the
superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters.

But of
course superdelegates are free to and have been utilizing their own
criteria for deciding who our nominee should be. Many are deciding on
the basis of electability, a favorite Clinton refrain. And if you look
at the numbers, during a period where the Clinton campaign has been
making an increasingly strident pitch on electability, it is clear
their argument is failing miserably with superdelegates.

Since
February 5, the Obama campaign has netted 107 superdelegates, and the
Clinton campaign only 21. Since the Pennsylvania primary, much of it
during the challenging Rev. Wright period, we have netted 24 and the
Clinton campaign 17.

At some point - we would argue that time
is now - this ceases to be a theoretical exercise about how
superdelegates view electability. The reality of the preferences in the
last several weeks offer a clear guide of how strongly superdelegates
feel Senator Obama will perform in November, both in building a winning
campaign for the presidency as well as providing the best electoral
climate across the country for all Democratic candidates.

It
is important to note that Senator Obama leads Senator Clinton in
superdelegate endorsements among Governors, United States Senators and
members of the House of Representatives. These elected officials all
have a keen sense for who our strongest nominee will be in November.

It is only among DNC members where Senator Clinton holds a lead, which has been rapidly dwindling.

As
we head into the final days of the campaign, we just wanted to be clear
with you as a party leader, who will be instrumental in making the
final decision of who our nominee will be, how we view the race at this
point.

Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe
pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how
this race has unfolded. It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules
- your rules - which we built this campaign and our strategy around

I can't believe any Democrat who has seen a county-by-county map of either the 2000 or 2004 presidential election would think this is a valid argument. Obama won the more highly populated urban counties, which are exactly those counties that might make Indiana go blue in 2008. Saying "Florida and Michigan must be counted" sounds noble and all, but you can't just carry forward the results of those elections, one of which didn't even have Obama on the ballot. And then of course we get to the name-calling, the last resort of those who have no other leg to stand on... truly pathetic.

The argument that Clinton is more electable doesn't hold much water considering she's LOSING the ELECTION to Obama. Nice try, though.

Voters like Crat3 is why John McCain will win in November. Shame.

to crat3: Throughout history, there have been hundreds of elections in which a white candidate was opposed by a black candidate, but the black candidate lost because of the almost 100% support of white voters. It was ASSUMED that white voters would vote for the white candidate. We whites have been supporting our white candidates throughout history and have enjoyed an overwhelmingly white-dominated leadership in government, on all levels. The only difference here is that a black candidate has a chance of WINNING. That's what gets you mad and causes all the outcries of so-called "black racism!"
And P. S. The Clinton campaign conceded this morning that EVEN IF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WERE COUNTED, she would still come up short.

crat3: Winning lots of counties means little when nobody lives there. Putting your obvious bias aside for a moment, please realize that Obama's popular vote lead (which exists even if one factors in the dsiputed Fla. and Mich. results) cannot be explained by the black vote alone.

I don't see how Obama can be placed in same category as somebody that ran for office years ago. And I certainly can't see how he might be a radical.
I understand if your upset that your candidate is behind the curve, but I don't see any need to slam Obama over it.
And before you think I'm an Obama lover...I'm truly not. Most generally I vote right wing conservative. But this go-a-around, I think he 's the best choice of the three options. And I sure don't want to see another Clinton in office again...I was in the military during the first one...now I'm not...get the picture!
A little too much cut-back.

You sound like one of those uneducated voters that Hillary does so well with. Black racism, radical left-wingers -- oooh, scary.

Guess it'll be a tough choice for you in November: a geriatric flip-flopper who can't remember what day it is, or a card-carrying communist dedicated to helping Louis Farrakhan rape your daughter.

My bleeding heart bleeds for you.

Please, Michigan and Florida ignored the rules and that decision was not made by Obama. Without rules and guidelines where would this country be? Oh I got it, if its for your nominee then bend/break them.

Both Clintons believed in McGovern and campaigned for him in '72. Using your logic, crat3, what does that say about the Clintons? And as for those 9 counties in Indiana, they were essentially the most populous ones. It doesn't matter if you have a thousand counties that vote for you if nobody lives there. Oh, and please drop the Florida/Michigan thing already. All the candidates--including Hillary--agreed to the rules beforehand.

Hillary's time is past. Barack is the new: look at all the new voters! McCain is a weak candidate, and we can win with Barack!

I look forward to you losing again when you vote for McCain in the general election

The primary is moving into a period when fences will be mended, voters will be courted instead of harangued, talk of the gas tax will probably wane. Then everyone will come together and turn their focus on John McCain, who has had the luxury of campaigning in the shadow of this larger news story. But McCain does not seem to have benefitted from the pass he is getting. He has a long list of gaffes and stumbles to show for it, which will not play well.

Campaigning is a younger person's game. I think this may not be fun to watch.

And in the meantime, it is up to Clinton to decide, just as John Edwards did and Mike Huckabee did, when she has made her point, when it is time to go. It will probably happen quite suddenly, without warning. Edwards was on his way to the Convention one day, out of the race the next. In the meantime it is giving States whose primary votes never mattered before the pleasure of making a statement and getting some welcome attention. This is by far the most interesting primary I can recall seeing. Far from all bad, even though pundits find it worrisome. No worries, in my country we call this "democracy" and we honor it.

Hi, there, Crat. I'm a white Southern male in my 40's, and I'm supporting Barack Obama. I was contributing to his campaign during Mrs. Clinton's acceptance speech last night, thinking about how she agreed to exclude FL and MI before she needed them. And about how after losing, she argued the Texas caucus rules her advisors had helped devise. And how the Republikans sure like her better as an opponent. Wonder why that is...

Love the 'rational' and 'radical' bits. Keep labeling, Crat! That's the way things get done. In the meantime, the rest of us irrational radicals will count FL, split MI, tally the superdelegates, and elect Barack Obama in November. Enjoy!

Its over. Obama IS the Democratic Party nominee now. Had it not been for Republican cross-over votes, he would have taken Indiana as well.

To all Democrats and Independents, get behind Obama.

Unless you want four more years of Bush-Lite, $10.00 / gallon of gas, and 100 more years in Iraq

Perhaps Crat3 doesn't understand the primary process, but the fact that Obama only won nine counties doesn't matter. It's the number of actual *people* that vote for Obama that counts, not the land area.

The rules were clear; Florida and Michigan broke the rules, and weren't seated. They had the option to be represented like the other states, and chose not to do so. Clinton now talks about representing them now that she needs them, but she agreed like all the other candidates not to campaign in those states and she did not complain when the DNC stripped FL/MI of their delegates.

How come McGovern only becomes a loser when he backs Obama instead of your candidate?

From what I understand, it is impossible to even hint at any racism on the part of blacks in this country... by the very definition, racism is the subjugation of a given race by the majority in power of a country... and the African American community is clearly not in control of the government.
I would suggest you post carefully prior to making such statements - I know I would even as a part of the white majority - I am now some 60 years old and have fought against racism of all forms since I was in my teens...

Ms. Clinton needs time to ponder the situation. She has run a fairly decent decent campaign and i think she will do what is best fort the party and the Republic.

Oh please, give it a rest. We choose nominees by delegates. Obama cannot be caught by Clinton in the delegate race. If you want to use the popular vote, she can't win there either. For Clinton to continue this nonsensical quest for the nomination makes me question her mental fitness for anything.

What a bunch of crat3. The 9 counties that Obama won included some of the largest population counties in Indiana. The vote was very close in Indiana. Changing the rules on Florida and Michigan is typical of Clinton and their fans. Those two states knew that they were in violation of the rules and deserve to be excluded. Obama as effectively won the nomination and it is time for the Clintons to act responsibly and mature.

Hillary is done. Her experience is a joke. She was not President any more than Yoko Ono was a Beatle. She is unelectable in a general election anyway.

They're not saying that we don't have a vote. They're simply stating that she has no chance of winning, and by gettting out earlier, the Democrats have a chance of regrouping their party. This will allow them more time to prepare for the actual election. Sure, everyone's vote counts, but if she wants to drop out, that's her decision (and I'm not saying she wants to).

Amen! Crat3 said it all for me. Hillary is doing Obama and the Democratic party a huge service by continuing. Together they have attracted literally hundreds of thousands of new voters. Obama would be kidding himself if he thought that by standing alone he would be better off. In fact, if I were he, I would urge her to stay in the race. It gives voters less time to look at him too closely.

It does look rather bleak for her but she is right in saying that all voters should be given a say and a choice. After all, if she were running in the Republican rule of winner take all, she would have long ago been the Dem. nominee!

Crat:

Yes, McGovern was left wing and radical and yes, he lost every state (even his own) except MA. But you are wrong about Obama. I know George McGovern, my family has worked with him. He is not George McGovern. Times have changed and he is a candidate that can help make more change happen.

I am fairly sure that McGovern would have done much betting in 1976 after the Watergate debacle had seen its run.

I totally agree crat3! I mean, why shouldn't the count Florida and Michigan? All they did was not follow the rules governing the primary election process. Rules are made to be broken anyway, right? I mean, that's the Bush motto, so it might as well be the new Clinton motto as well.

As for the superdelegates, I also agree that they should use their independent judgment. After all, what type of democracy would we be if the people's votes actually mattered? The only votes that should matter are those of a select few...lets call them "superdelegates". The general population electing it's officials is a ridiculous idea...certainly not a democracy....oh wait....

Nah-nah-nah,
Nah-nah-nah,
Hey-hey-hey,

Good-bye, Hilary!

Hey crat3,
There is no such thing as "black racism" just racism. Try to remember that. OK, now to your other ill thought out comments. Around 12% of the voters are black. If Obama were only picking up black voters, he wouldn't have been running after the first couple states. He has broad appeal. He's even picking up nearly as many women voters as Hillary.
Your scare tactics, or ignorance, are not helpful. Either one would be a good candidate. However. Obama has won this race. You seem to be in denial about that. We've had 7 years of people who live in denial running this country. Show us you're better than that. It's time to conceed and work toward the general election.

crat3,

So, all the democrats in North Carolina are racist, but all the rural white people in Indiana who voted for Clinton are not?

Grow up, stop using the race card.

>The black racism in the North Carolina win cannot triumph over the nomination process.

Why is it that you call blacks racist for voting for Obama but you make no mention of the whites voting for Hillary out of racism or women voting for Hillary out of sexism.

>Obama is the same radical left wing candidate..
Please give an example. Obama's policies seem very moderate to me. Just because he is educated that doesn't make him left-wing.

You are wrong. She already lost. She cannot win via pledged delegates. So, would one imply she should be granted the nominee by a "smokey back-room"? I think that would do a lot to show the peoples' votes count... Not to mention how she stand no chance in gaining republican votes of any kind. Hilary is not well liked in the more conservative ranks. Regardless, her run has been a disturbing show of selfishness from the beginning. American democracy is not one where it would ever be logical to have the same two families run the nation from the highest elected office for the better part of three decades. That is an aristocracy.

Crat3 and others: I'm not an African American, nor do I feel racist, but I am from NC. We are proud of our tide-turning vote for Obama. It's time for a new conversation and Obama has the courage to start it. The old labels of racism, radical, left wing, right wing, liberal, and conservative are challenges that Obama has the vision and faith to see beyond. The hope we might have for our country depends on such a vision. Won't you join in it?

nice comment
i bet you didn't call McGovern a loser when he backed Hilary.

Perhaps it is time to give some respect to wise old men who have a much grander experience of the political game and who have a desire to see the democratic party win above all else.

It's time to look beyond this inner divide that can make you and others look too much at the small scale divisions and instead look at the grander picture and respect whatever choices may now come from the superdelegates as they are people who have earned their voice through a lot of wisened experience and hard work for the democratic party.

You're delusional. And must be named Terry McAuliffe to believe what you just wrote.

I just hope that after this debacle of a race, the Dems will re think their nomination process. I also think it is wise not to incite racial devides at every opportunity...but thats just me.

crat3 your candidate lost - get over it - time to support Barack. It's over for Hillary and has been since super tuesday

"Rational Democrats" should quit supporting Hillary Clinton. Several reasons why

(A) She was against seating the FL and MI delegations back before the primary process started. You can't blame Obama for not allowing a re-vote... you CAN blame the Republican state legislatures in those states for 1. breaking the rules in the first place and 2. for blocking the process of establishing an alternate re-voting process after it was apparent that Hillary wouldn't take all the delegates she needed on Feb. 5. Even if those delegations ARE seated, she still won't be able to catch up to Barack by any metric of success.
nnumber of counties

Rational Democrats are hearing Clinton bandy words like "obliterate" when it comes to Iran and following her gas tax holiday, which no economists will endorse. Rational Democrats have already stepped up to the plate, helping Obama with record-setting fundraising, while Clinton continues to loan her own campaign millions of dollars. Rational Democrats have spoken and voted and are bestowing the nomination on Barack Obama.

MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA ARE OUT, THERE IS NO WAY THEIR VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED. HOW CAN A PARTY THAT IS SO AGAINST THE ELECTORIAL COLLEGE ALLOW SUPER DELIGATES AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS?

Obama has a better chance against McCain that Clinton.

To crat3:

Clinton's support has been propped up by ReFUDlican extremists. They like her, as they know they could beat her. I think they would know a lot more about who they can beat than you do.

I doubt "Rational Democrats" will be donating to a failed candidate, when they have already donated en mass to Obama.

Being that Obama and Clinton's stance on the issues are about the same - wouldn't Clinton be just as much a "radical left wing candidate". I suggest you smell your own BS.

Black racism my a~~. You need to face reality and recognize what millions of others -- black, white and purple -- already have: Barack Obama is the best person to lead this country out of the multiple quagmires the GWB administration has lied, er led, us into. We want the truth, not more of the same tricky business of the past eight years. Hillary Clinton blew any chance she may have had by using the same tactics the Republicans used to such great advantage in the last two elections. The public has tired of it. Those tricks don't work now, in large part thanks to the internet affording Americans an alternate source of world and national news and opinion. Sorry, man, but Hillary came in second. Let's move on, back Obama, and get rid of the Republicans and their destructive policies.

Wow - was that the wording you guys used to accept his endorsements a few moths ago? Also love your logic - a few counties with large populations dont count, BUT a few large states won should - seems silly when you say it out loud doesn't it. Let's be honest - she has fought a good fight, with a terrible campaign team - they should be sued for malpractice!!! This nomination was hers to lose and she did - NEXT

"The black racism in the North Carolina win cannot triumph over the nomination process"

Because they voted for a black man, that makes them racist. Sounds like your the one with race issues.

"Rational Democrats need to step up to the plate and make frequent contributions to the Hillary Clinton campaign."

You mean conservative democrats, since she is basically a moderate republican.

These guys are just so full of it, and themselves. They have never been for Hillary and I for one am starting to feel that the "boys in washington" will never accept a woman in charge. Period. She is the only candidate for me, and many others, and to see this disengenious "if she is the nominee I will work real hard for her" comment is sickening. The only time these guys have come forward to say this is now, when she is the true underdog and to try and pacify us Clinton supporters into thinking "gee, they really would" is a blatant lie. What will really be fun to see is all the antagonistic, vulgar, nasty Obama bloggers who will try to do an about-face and try to win Clinton supporters like me - Forget it!

I will NOT vote in the GE for Obama, and will write in her name instead. I can no more, in good conscience, vote for an inexperienced, racist, politician then I could vote for a Republican. Being from FL, I am not alone in my stance that not counting my vote now, as it stands, means forget me in the GE. Good luck.

If Americans get over the skin color of Barack and see his character and his qualities, he is one of the best candidates in this race. He can unite this country and get the real problems solved, like healthcare, mortgage, high unemployment, gas prices, just naming a few. We have been lied to by this administration for so long, and told of the" boogdie" man who is out there to get us. Fear, divisive politics and greed is all that has gone in this administration for the last eight years, I don't think the American people can be fooled to believe this for the next four more years. I am a first generation immigrant and like many others will be really proud if I see Barack getting to the White House. Not to mention our image in Europe and the world which has been tarnished throughout the world. We can achieve the true status of being the world leader again. God bless Barack and our country

I hope that you thought first before writing that comment...... Right now the RNC along with Sen. McCain are all supporting Sen. Clinton to remain in the race for the WH. Why is that? Ummm I wonder why?
Maybe because they know that they can't beat Obama and that Hillary is already tearing up the DNC for them anyways. So McCain is quietly winning more votes from the Democrats because Hillary just can't accept the defeat, and she keeps bringing down Obama for them. Come on two against one. Hillary and Mccain vs Obama. yep makes me wonder.

Both Obama and Hillary have fought a good fight. However, Obama is the best elect and will defeat McCain in the November election. Have faith in a man that have the American people's best interests and concerns at hand. The polls reflect the truth and whom they feel would be the best commander in chief. It is those spur of the moment decisions and disbelief individuals whom appears to be afraid to grasp change, move pass yesterday and secure a better future for themselves. Life is not forever in this world, procrastination because of personal distractions, won't help the 'real' problems that the American people face today. And living in the past definitely have not helped. Therefore, I support Obama and his efforts to make manifest, along with those whom choose to grasp reality in accepting his platform, that we all may restore America for the best for ourselves and our future generations. Don't be stuck between a rock and a hardshell when there is an openning offered to bring you out. People makes this race a 'racial affair' which is what we don't need and what has been a part of the past that we have seen to stagnate positive forward movement. Let it go and live, that you may help in the changing and progress of a better America for all. Last, but not least, unity is a must because if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Let's stand together in unity, that we won't fall. OBAMA 08

It's not black racism, doofus - it's a preference for a candidate. Blacks don't, in general, prefer Hillary because she's Hillary, not because she's white. And looking at any state from a county perspective will show the same sorts of spreads - it's not about # of counties, it's about # of voters - you want a podunk county with 1,000 people in it to count as equal to a county with 1,000,000+ people in it..?

And no, Florida and Michigan shouldn't be counted - ironically, one of Clinton's own staff was one of the ones who voted to strip those two states of their rights to be counted because of the decisions those state's dem. parties made, so it's a bit hard to swallow the "oh, well, wait a min, maybe we should count them now...".

hmm... when 80% of the black vote goes to white democratic presidential candidates in presidential elections, no one calls it racism. But if the black vote goes for a black candidate, it's racism? Interesting.

What's funny is the same % of blacks were supporting Bill Clinton, and back then it wasn't racism to you? Add to that fact that most people who said race matters went to Hill, as do all the middle aged and elderly white women, but you don't call that racism or sexism. I think the reality is you're jealous. President Obama. Get used to it. And if you're still jealous when he's president, well, he'll be president and you'll still be a jealous loser.

Crat3
You are simply ridiculous. maybe you should undesRtand RULES or or how not to disobey the laws.......How can you be so NAIVE to indicate that the dems.should help her out to finance her campaign. Do you really konw this LADY. Might as well do some research on the CLINTONS....Many of them ARE CONCEALED ......aS FOR RACISM, YOU ARE TOO MUCH AFFECTED DEEPLY, AND UNABLE TO LOOK PAST YOUR NOSE.....HYPOCRITES LIKE YOU, SHOULD LIVE IN ISOLATION....YOU DEFINITELY LACK PERCEPTION.....

"Rational Democrats" should quit supporting Hillary Clinton. Several reasons why

(B) Democrats have long depended on population centers in a concentrated number of counties to deliver electoral votes. The Democrats haven't won Indiana since 1964 in a presidential election. This is the reason that electoral votes are apportioned according to congressional districts rather than by counties.

(C) I will reiterate that Hillary CANNOT win this race. She was a great candidate and has run a valiant campaign, but sometimes you need to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. Any way you dice it, this is a fold situation for her.

Allow me to offer some plain speaking on this topic. STOP HATING ON BARACK'S ABILITY TO WIN AND START SUPPORTING HIM FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Understand that the naysayers are not just the republicans, but democrats still stuck in the old way the country is being ran. Obama offers everyone to take part in healing a broken country, corrupted by lies and corruption. No he is not a messiah, but who on earth is? We are all responsible for fixing what we as a human race have destroyed. Obama just is man enough to step up and offer his help in making that change. Now it is our turn. Let think on that as we begin a process that should have been started over 100 years ago. thank you for a chance to offer my plain sentimental opinion.

Congratulations to Hillary for a hard fought race.

I think it's now time to shift to the general election. Hopefully, we can all now unite behind the fact that this country cannot tolerate four more years of the past eight.

Next Stop - The GOP Fear Machine

I think that oil will be this cycle's GOP scare tactic for their fear machine. Some economists have mentioned $10/gal gas. Carl Rove has already said:

"If we were to give up Iraq with the third largest oil reserves in the world to the control of an Al Qaida regime or to the control of Iran, don't you think $200 a barrel oil would have a cost to the American economy?"

It seems probable that the GOP will try to scare the public into a mindset that the only way we can hold onto our money is by holding onto Iraq.

We have to get prepared to show that this administration's (and McCain's) policies are the reason for the problem, not the solution.

Fear will not win. Not this time.

I would like to reply below comment with confidence that "AMERICA IS CHANGING, PLEASE GET USE TO IT". You can not divide this country based on race. I would watch out by using word white and black because future generation does not divide this country in black and white or red and blue..It moving..Its moving forward..........please check your stats...He has won

Iowa, South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Utah, Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Washington, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Vermont, U.S. Virgin Islands, Democrats Abroad, Wyoming and Mississippi, NC.....................>.........>

Please Calm down......Check your knowledge...and Please provide collective and informed argument.

Obama will make a great President. Obama '08. Yes we can!!!

crat3,

Your analysis crashes upon the rocky shores of reality. Clinton has not won delegates, popular vote or the money race. It's over.

Also, I am more than a little disappointed with the suggestion that Obama's wins are illegitimate because he wins the votes of minorities. It's as if you think minority votes are not worth as much.

No matter your obvious passion, you cannot overcome the realities.

Hillary is over and staying in the race serves only selfish purposes. In her world its only about her, which is why she'll never be president. Stepping out now would in many ways be her best strategy toward a future run.

Only someone who is not a minority complains about "black racism," since they obvioulsy have no idea what it is like to be black in the US. Having a president who truly knows (instead of just saying he/she understands, because you can't unless you are black) would be one step in the right direction for this country.
Michigan should definitely NOT be counted since Obama was not even on the ballot there (because he was following the rules, in contrast to Clinton who did not withdraw her name as she should have).
Either candidate would be a great president, but enough Americans have now made it clear that they want Obama. If we want to win against McCain, we need to stop screwing around and start campaigning against him instead of each other.

Congratulations to Hillary for a hard fought race.

I think it's now time to shift to the general election. Hopefully, we can all now unite behind the fact that this country cannot tolerate four more years of the past eight.

Next Stop - The GOP Fear Machine

I think that oil will be this cycle's GOP scare tactic for their fear machine. Some economists have mentioned $10/gal gas. Carl Rove has already said:

"If we were to give up Iraq with the third largest oil reserves in the world to the control of an Al Qaida regime or to the control of Iran, don't you think $200 a barrel oil would have a cost to the American economy?"

It seems probable that the GOP will try to scare the public into a mindset that the only way we can hold onto our money is by holding onto Iraq.

We have to get prepared to show that this administration's (and McCain's) policies are the reason for the problem, not the solution.

Fear will not win. Not this time.

Hillary, you need to exit gracefully.... and time is now.

To Crat3:

Black racism? Should the North Carolina result be deligitimized on account of demographics? Are you saying the black vote doesn't count wherever there's a large African American constituency? Surely you don't mean that (but I'm guessing you do). Pot kettle black. And that doesn't take into account the younger white voters who have chosen Obama on the basis of his candidacy rather than his race.

The "Indiana win... by Obama?" He lost, actually (by less than 1%, but he lost nonetheless). So, they split the pledged delegates. What are you talking about?

Florida and Michigan? Go ahead and count them. It doesn't change the delegate or popular majority.

Don't worry about contributions. Hill just dropped another $6 million into the effort. That ought to cover the bill for the last flicker of this bonfire of vanity.

McGovern a loser? The loser here is Clinton, except she seems to be the last to know.

Sorry Hillary supporter but Obama got 40% of the white vote in North Carolina. What color is that racism? It was decided that Florida and Michigan would not be counted before this primary started and Hillary agreed. Ask her (it's on tape). If she's allowed to change the rules in the middle of a contest every person playing sports should be allowed to change the rules during the game.

Crat3 => please don't let your KKK membership expire. Keep hating ...

Eli => Hope your hired contra(c)ts are Iraq (soon in Iran, Syria, Pakistan and ... ) are well paid because man you are going to be rich. 100 years in iraq means lot of money to you .. kudos

JakeB => We are just wasting our time. Can't straighten a bent dick or two :)

crat3,

Your analysis crashes upon the rocky shores of reality. Clinton has not won delegates, popular vote or the money race. It's over.

Also, I am more than a little disappointed with the suggestion that Obama's wins are illegitimate because he wins the votes of minorities. It's as if you think minority votes are not worth as much.

No matter your obvious passion, you cannot overcome the realities.

I think the phrase is black preference...let's not forget that Obama does have the support of some of white working class, though it is not as much as there should be. But it will be interesting to see if the democratic party would be so bold as to upset black voters, the most loyal supporters of democrats for the last 50 years. Why is it that Obama needs to really work on getting the white working class vote, but Clinton doesn't need to reach out to black voters? Is the Clinton campaign assuming that she won't have black support because she's not black? She's a Clinton! Black people were largely rooting for her at first, but she chose to pick one key demographic, and focus on them. Maybe the black "racism" is the result of her failure to reach out to the black community. Maybe she should have thought of that, instead of making her own race-driven assumptions.

Hmm..crat3

So you are fine with this that GW Bush secured the presidancy rightfully by "best judgement" of "Super Judges" inspite of the fact that Al Gore had majority popular vote?

Result are before you what happenes when popular vote is ignored. If America follows democaracy then give me one reason why Obama isn't the right candidate?

The reason blacks vote strongly for Obama is the same reason they vote mainly for Democrats. Self-interest. At the beginning of the campaign Hillary had a huge lead amongst black voters. THE CLINTONS LOST THEIR BLACK SUPPORT THEMSELVES. in South Carolina the Clintons said a lot of things that black voters took exception to. They belittled Barack Obama, downplayed the significance of Martin Luther King Jr and wasted decades of goodwill in the black community.

The fact that Hillary has been abandoned for Obama is Hillary and Bill's own fault. If they had comported themselves with class instead of wallowing in the gutter they'd have split the black vote and Hillary might be the nominee today. But they decided to slime Barack Obama and voters black and white have rejected her for it.
Hiallry lost this for herself.

H

The fake smile on Hillary's face has frozen into a horrifying rictus of dementia. She is violently driven forward by her sociopathic personality, which is increasingly undisguised. it's like the last scene of a horror movie, where the familiar character is revealed to be the murderous monster; even though you see it coming for the last half-hour of the movie it's still scary as hell.

To see her whole lying family standing behind her last night as she fumbled her way through a victory speech that had become embarrassingly (to anyone else) inappropriate was another classic Clinton moment. There was Chelsea, the oldest baby in the world (9-year old school reporters aren't allowed to talk to her) near tears of frustration like a toddler whose toy has been taken away. There was Bill, face garishly florid with his famous and barely suppressed rage (good thing he wasn't in a hotel room with a woman), but nodding with his downturned mouth as Hillary droned through her to-do list for the country in her inimitable screech, as if she was delivering a speech of real substance and emotion.

What a family.

I still think it is entirely possible that she will injure herself or someone else when it becomes clear that she will not be the president. I hope not, but just look at her.

All the Clinton supporters should put their money where their mouth is and donate to her. She is in desperate need of it right now and it will show your support. Ohh yeah that's right when it comes to money they aren't willing to join a dying campaign.

Clinton won by 18,500 votes in Indiana out of a total of 1.2 million cast. This does not sound like a resounding victory. I voted for Bill Clinton for president twice and respect Mrs. Clinton. However, we need fresh blood in the White House, and despite my support for Bill Clinton, I was unhappy with much of his backroom, hard-nosed and ill advised escapades. Let's rally behind Obama as another Republican win will alter the Supreme Court landscape for generations.

All the Clinton supporters should put their money where their mouth is and donate to her. She is in desperate need of it right now and it will show your support. Ohh yeah that's right when it comes to money they aren't willing to join a dying campaign.

Why has the character of the Clintons gone largely unreported on?

I am sending this letter as a citizen concerned about the lack of coverage of the character deficits of Hillary & Bill Clinton.

Quote: "Bill and I have been accused of everything, including murder...”
-Hillary Clinton

The World of politics is no stranger to scandal, both real and manufactured. But does it not give one pause that Bill & Hillary Clinton's lives have been so rife with scandal that Hillary Clinton would be put in a position to say such a thing? How common is it for a candidate to be so mired in scandal that he or she has been accused of everything including murder?

Among the many effective lines Hillary Clinton has very successfully used to deflect attention away from her character flaws and those of her husband is that while she carries baggage she is still an entirely known entity to the public. However, while the media, and thus the public, have placed disproportionate emphasis on relatively insignificant aspects of Senator Obama's life and associations, such as his former (emphasis on former) pastor, scant little has been said about the background, history, and character of the Clintons. This is disturbing because, unlike Senator Obama's former (emphasis on former) pastor, who will obviously not be residing in the White House should Senator Obama be elected, Hillary & Bill Clinton have a far closer “association” as husband and wife and would presumably be living, and working, in the White House together.

Is the public largely unaware and/or “accepting” of the truly vast amount of (in some cases disturbing) baggage that both Clintons carry, simply because the media has chosen not to do a better job of reporting on it?

If all that is known about the Clintons were to be attributed to almost any other candidate it would be highly unlikely that such a candidate would even get beyond square one. The candidate would be considered too lacking in character and too scandalous to have any realistic possibility of mounting a successful campaign of any kind. And yet, despite a life history and career of scandal after scandal, investigation after investigation, and lie after lie, including one of Hillary Clinton's most recent lies, about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire, the media has largely given the Clintons a free pass on these issues. Hillary lied again when she said that she, “misspoke.” Even though her claim was called into question by the media, the entire matter was subsequently quickly dropped.

When Hillary was asked questions about the views of her former pastor, she emphasized the limited nature of their relationship (as her former pastor also would not be living or working in the White House should she be elected), distanced herself, and there also the entire matter was subsequently largely dropped by the media.

If someone asked Chelsea Clinton about “personal” aspects of Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky, then “perhaps” that is “none of the public's business.” However, some of those questions were asked about whether or not the Monica Lewinsky scandal was and is a reflection on Hillary Clinton's credibility. In light of the very “public office” nature of the Lewinsky scandal (some of it having taken place in the Oval Office), including the fact that former President Bill Clinton, Hillary's husband, was found both to have lied and to have asked others to perjure themselves on his behalf, it is a fair question and issue. And yet, here also, the media seems to have largely given such issues concerning the Clintons an easy nod.

Why has the media chosen to place so much emphasis on comparatively less significant issues, such as comments by Senator Obama's former pastor, than on the known career pattern of lies, fraud, scandal, and deception that embodies the Clintons and their lives in public office?

Below are a number of links collected from the Internet regarding the background and history of Hillary & Bill Clinton.

Some of the below listed websites do not fall into the category of vetted, mainstream media sources. However, while some of it is assumption and innuendo most of the information is known factual information that can easily be traced to credible sources. Perhaps it is because the mainstream media has chosen not to report more on the facts regarding the Clintons that other websites sprang up in an attempt to do so.

Thank you for your consideration of my comments and the below information.

Sincerely,

A concerned citizen

"Bill and I have been accused of everything, including murder...”
-Hillary Clinton
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/hillary.today/

Clintons to face fraud trial
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868

Judge delays setting trial in Clinton fraud case
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/judge_delays_setting_trial_in_clinton_fraud_case/

Clintons to face fraud trial
http://www.politicalbase.com/forums/topic/clintons-to-face-fraud-trial/2726/

Bill Clinton's Peter Paul Court Date to Be Set at April 25, 2008 Status Conference
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1990130/posts

LIST OF ALLEGED CRIMES IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION June 24, 1996
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/crime2.html

The Clinton Legacy
http://www.prorev.com/

THE CLINTON SCANDALS
http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm

William Jefferson Clinton Memorial Library
http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/value_of_women.html

Links to Legal Proceedings Against Bill Clinton
http://www.rbs0.com/clinks.html

The Clinton Chronicles
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ARCHIVE/CLINTON_CHRONICLES.html

Bloody Bill Clinton - American Caligula
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=14

Partners in Power: The Clintons and Their America
http://books.google.com/books?id=Vq96BQV5lF4C&pg=PA327&lpg=PA327&dq=bill+clinton+state+trooper+testimony&source=web&ots=RHuQJiPD0l&sig=NoSZhD8TGwv7T0zWM3xOtLai6gA&hl=en

Arkansas Connections 1950- 1989
http://prorev.com/connex.htm

Clintons to face fraud trialJudge setting date, testimony to include Bill & Hillary: Are they guilty?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080304013013AASfVpg

President Bill Clinton's Whitewater Testimony
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9605/10/clinton.wwtranscript/index.shtml

Clinton is winning all the states and all the counties that the Republicans usually do and Obama is winning those areas that generally vote for Democrats. I wonder why that is. Maybe we should ask Rush. Clinton's campaign is on life support in the form of Republican voters with the solitary purpose of prolonging this process. It's time to stop being played by the Republicans and designate the nominee.

Oh please, put a cork in it! What planet are you from? Crat3? More like Repub1 from the old South. Since when did America rely on counting counties and not votes? If Republicans on orders from Rush Out-On-A-Limbaugh had not crossed party lines and voted for Hillary, Obama would have won Indiana by about 7 percent.

Recall, if you will, that black voters in NC make up only slightly more than a third of Democrat voters. This means Obama also had to pull very strongly among white, hispanic asian and decline to state voters. Since no Republicans could cross over, by NC State rules, the outcome more closely mirrors actual party preferences, than would Indiana.

Obama has run a very professional campaign, one that has avoided most of the ugliness of Republican and some past Democrat campaigns, and has been a great strategist in running his first ever national campaign, one that far surpasses Hillary's for sane management, especially fiscal management, and has not needed to get loans, desperate pleas for donations to pay off huge debts to companies and businesses she has contracted with, including her former campaign manager Mark Penn -- millions of dollars wasted there.

Hillary has also repeatedly "misspoken" double-spoken, prevaricated and also sought to defy and alter rules that she had been pledged to abide by. Demanding that the votes of Florida and Michigan be counted, when no other candidate campaigned in those states, and insisting that the delegates be seated when the Party Rules Committee stripped them of their delegates, after warning them that this would be the result if they held earlier primaries, well, it is just absurd and evil.

And guess what? I have thank you letters from the Clintons for my prior support, including particularly, editorial defense of Hillary when she was unfairly attacked in the press in California. So, don't think I was some critic or antagonist of HRC, because it was her race to lose, in my opinion. And, sadly she has not only lost this race, she has lost my respect, as well. And Bill? Well, as he himself would say, "It's just plain, sad."

Interesting, to have a white racist Clinton supporter claim that the white racism motivated vote in 93 counties of Indiana has more value than black support in NC. When you think about it; the Lilly white western states don’t seem to have an issue voting for the more intelligent, clear minded and eloquent candidate. For people who can’t put race behind them, they will always have their head in the sand. The rest of the country does not have to wait for the lowest denominator to catch up with the rest of society. Time to move forward – the civil war happened over 100 years ago, sticking to our American values of equal rights, liberty and freedom won. Time to choose a candidate who honors those principles; who can state those principles clearly; who does not need spin and double speak to get the message out. I love this one, a candidate who will do what Bush campaigned on; put honor back in the Presidency.

A white upper middle class Anglo-Saxon voter in Washington State.

Black racism? Counties with 100 people in them in a state that hasn't voted democrat in the general election? These are the things you are hanging your hat on? Ok lets count the votes in a state where Senator Obama wasn't on the ballot, lets Count Florida where ALL the candidates agreed not to campaign. What else should we do, let see, throw out all the results from states that hold caucuses. All that and a little love from the super delegates and Senator Clinton can win!

Wake up and get ready for the general election. 3 to 4 supreme court justices are at stake.

"Full Speed Ahead"...right out of the Hillary playbook. She cannot and will not be rewarded for campaigning in Florida when the other candidates adhered to the spirit of the DNC sanctions. She's done and is smart enough to know it but she's a tiger and won't quit (albeit to the detriment of the party).

I hope some of the lesser fringe of the Hillary crew will join and support Obama though he may not be your first choice. The goal is and has always been moving the country, and the world, forward for the benefit of everyone. The rest of this stuff, the faux racism, the petty insults, the outlandish claims, it's all just garbage.

Sunny Florida,

You are bitter. You are angry. You are not right, however. There's enough misogyny in the world without seeing it where it isn't. If you're too bitter to vote this year, so be it. We'll try to right the course of this nation without you.

I think you had a typo in there, crat3. Rational Democrats? I think you meant IR-Rational Democrats. You'd have to be irrational to think Clinton still has a chance. Obama is going to be the nominee. It would be irrational to think otherwise. It would be irrational to prolong the inevitable. It would be irrational to count Michigan when Obama wasn't even on the ballot. McGovern is right. Clinton should bow out gracefully.

People vote, not counties. Hillary won Indiana by a mere 16000 votes - not a wide enough margin to call it a strong victory. Her abandonment of her standards in her desperate pandering campaign should have been apparent to more voters... but modern advertising manipulates opinion very effectively. She has been and is damaging the democratic party with her tenacious attitude of entitlement.

Racism you say? If race is a divisive problem, so is sex.. and so is age. There are plenty of voters who believe the CINC should not be a woman. There are plenty of voters who believe McCain is too old. I'll leave the pollsters to speculate which facet is more divisive and which presents the largest handicap.

As to calling the general election even before the campaign has started.... let us have that one play out. It is surprising how those whose education about Obama is limited to a few ads and news snippets seem confident that he could not win. Read his books. His policies are not "liberal". He is not a "liberal". Both they and he are progressive. America needs progress right now. America is hungry for change. McCain will have to come up with some new policies and strategies if he expects to win; "more of the same"..."for the next 100 years"... is not going to carry the White House this year.

"The black racism in the North Carolina win cannot triumph over the nomination process. The Indiana win of a mere 9 counties by Obama out of more than 100 counties cannot triumph over the nomination process. " You are one hundred percent correct.

"George McGovern was the radical left wing candidate who lost all states except for one in the general election. Obama is the same radical left wing candidate who will surely lose against McCain, just like McGovern. McGovern is a loser with no standing and credibility to be making any comment about withdrawing." Unfortunately, almost all the leaders in the Demoractic Party have become spineless, gutless jelly fish. Look at the mess these leaders have created in the party with pledged delegates and super delegates. If if were to be winner take all, Senator Clinton would have been declared Democratic Presidential Candidate long, long ago and we would not be in this mess. Having created those rules, the so called "leaders" do not want to follow them. They want the "Super Delegates" to be "Stupid Delegates" and blindly exercise theie support to a candidate with majority of pledged delegates.

Under the circumstances, Senator Clinton, the candidate with most experience, is not likely to get the nomination unless a miracle happens. We cannot depend on miracles and act in our day to day life. Perhaps, it may be good for her to step aside and have Mr Obama, the least experienced candidate but with the most skills in rhetoric and sound bites, face the music all by himself. He will not stand a chance against another experienced Republican candidate in November. But that is what the spineless, gutless Democratic leaders and "Stupid Delegates" want at this time. Let them all sink together.

LOL - the nomination has never been about North Carolina and Indiana alone! Even if you were to include MI and FL (and not include IA, NV, ME, and WA as they don't release official counts) , Obama leads the popular count over Clinton by 92,338. Include them and his lead jumps to 202,560. Wait, you cry, it's not about popular votes it's about delegates! Very true, but it's also true that MI & FL were pretty dumb in what they were doing and the candidates campaigned based on that knowledge. Duh. Black racism, white racism, blue collar, white collar, etc. etc. - whatever! The fact is that everyone's vote counts the same. We can talk about the counties that Obama lost in Indiana or we can also talk about all the entire states Clinton lost. Love him or hate him, the people have chosen.

There's a lot of strong support for Obama in these comments...let's get to work here in Massachusetts to insure that he wins the state in November. Right now there are more Hillary supporters than Obama supporters, many of whom claim they'll vote for McCain if Hillary is not the Dem.'s nominee.

Beginning this month, Obama's campaign will be registering new voters. I recommend we all do our part to help.

Let me scream loud and clear.....and repeat what was mentioned in the Vanity Fair May 2008 issue: Obama's father was a black alcoholic who abandoned his family for his own selfish pursuits. Obama's white mother raised him along with the rest of her white family. I only say this because so much talk has been focused on his blackness, when he is half and half. Race cannot be and should not be a factor in this election. Did you listen to him after he won NC last night? He speaks to the issues, ignores the attacks and rhetoric from Clinton (most of the time), and steps up to a level that addresses change for future progress in this country. He is a true leader and offers us hope to real change. If the next president doesn't address what has been ignored for 8 years, we will be in a serious bad situation on so many fronts. America is ready to see passed race and envision a future of innovative progress and problem solving. Thanks to Bush, we have a lot of that to do and let's get on with it

I'm a White 39 Year old Male from Illinois. US Air Force Vet , Right Wing Conservative Christian Republican...and I voted Obama.
I feel the "Racial" issue which I'm hearing in regards to the North Carolina Vote is totally uncalled for. I don't care who is voting for who. We are all created equal, regardless of gender, color, religion or nationality. Drop the race card...you got nothin to stand on there. This is America dude. You don't like it...go elsewhere! ...if you think you can find a better country to live in, go for it...we are ready to let you go.

Every decision Hillary has made from the day Bill left the White House was with her eye on getting back there. The political pandering in New York to become a Senator there was classic Carpet Bagging because it would look sexier on her so-called Experience portion of her resume, than say returning back to Arkansas with Bill and running for the Senate when his term ended.

You here the Clinton Campaign harp about being outspend 2 to 1, 3 to 1 by Obama. Yet when Hillary was supposedly raising all this money years ago to have for her run at the Presidency it was to be able to outspend any of the other Democratic Contenders in the Primary to get the nomination. She and all of her hacks thought was sewn up two years ago.

Not only did a firt term senator, come out of nowhere to be leading this race towards the nomination, but she has been out worked, out hustled, out campaigned, out organized, and simply outclassed during this entire process. Its time for a youth movement in Washington, new blood, new ideas, new energy and a new outlook on where this country is headed in the future.

It won't happen overnight but when people put their fears, hypocrisy, and divisive mentality away and think about the future for their children and this country we will all be a lot better off.

There is a reason why voters all over this country have gotten behind Obama he carries himself with dignity and pride and he embodies the spirit of what can happen if you are given an opportunity and are willing to work hard to take advantage of it, and if that is called elitism, than that is something we all would be called. This is something I never thought I would see possible and my life time and for the first time in a young time I am PROUD of our political process and my faith in people using their minds and thinking for themselves has been restored.

Go Obama

There is no way Hillary can catch up in delegates or popular vote. Her insistence on staying in the race just shows her sad and desperate hunger for power.

Black people are supporting him because they saw someone attacked, per their feeling, for being black. Supporting someone isn't racism.

And how can you say that counties with 1,000-5,000 people are more important than counties with 100,000 people?? Yeah, maybe there were only 6 counties, but they were the BIG ones. And wasn't it not too long ago that Clinton was complaining that Obama had won only "flyover states"?

She's done. Finished. Toast. They're going to give her Florida and Michigan now, and she STILL can't win, even with being the only one on that ballot! It's over.

Racism schmacism ... as a bona fide redneck with leftist tendencies, it amuses the ever-lovin' h--- out of me how 'Murikkkans can so consistently vote agin' their own interests. McCain stands for empire and imperialism ... Obama stands for protecting 'Murikkkan interests around the world. Those two ideas are NOT so far apart. Ole lady Clinton made a good run against a huge number of negatives, but if anything she could be described as Obama in McCains hide, or McCain in Obamas hide ... not that it makes a whole pile of fetid dingoes kidneys which!
The whole gas tax imbroglio demonstrates the minor differences between all of the dogs in this here fight. May the best dog win! Says Faddy MacMough doncha know?

It's a right wing conspiracy. My husband promised if I stayed with him and didn't divorce him over the Lewinsky (and every other whore) affair I would be the first woman president. I have it in writing. He promised! I am the better man in the race. Please count Florida and Michigan. Count all the votes twice in Florida. I know the democratic committee refused to count the ballots in 2000 but I want to count the ones for Gore as mine. It's the media. They don't like strong women. I'll have to exit gracefully, like in a Bosnian airraid.

Obama is a product of Affirmative action, we are all screwed if he becomes president.

So by Crat3's 'logic', only voters from low population density counties with predominantly white voters should be counted. Yep, sounds like Crat3 is drinking Terry McCauliffe Coolaid by the gallon.

So let's expand that 'number of counties' argument geographically. Shouldn't the number of states won then dictate the winner? Oops....that won't be acceptable to Crat3 because she's lost that metric.

What about predominantly white states like Washington, Idaho, Alaska, Colorado....hmm. Again, won by Obama so maybe it's not actually racism that's causing people to vote FOR Obama, but maybe it's his ideas and policies, and maybe it's his willingness to discuss complex issues without truncating his thoughts down to a soundbite, or pandering to the electorate with overly simplistic answers that we all know won't work to solve the problems we face (gas tax holiday) and will worsen the crumbling infrastructure issues we face (gas taxes pay for maintenance of roads and bridges which are already beginning to fail).

Maybe the populace has tired of these GOP/Bush response types and now want a grown-up who has the intellect to grapple with those complex issues and trusts the voters to vote rationally after soberly considering complex issues, like intelligent people do, instead of like foolish sheep following a carrot into a meatworks truck.

Of course, Crat3's 'oh my god, Obama is _liberal_ ' comments suggest he is probably just a Limbaugh disciple who is praying for Bush to get his third term by proxy via McCain) with little genuine interest in voting for Hillary in November.

Crat3, both Hillary and Obama are vastly better candidates with vastly better policies for the american people than McCain and the GOP can offer. But Hillary can't win the nomination now and it's becoming increasingly obvious to most everyone who can do math.

If you genuinely do support her then fine, feel free to drum up support by talking up her good points. But if you're genuinely a supporter of her and her ideas, quit attacking the candidate whose policies will most closely resemble hers in November, because you dislike her oppenent's ideology (a close to match to hers, after all). And if you're just a Limbaugh wannabe or some other GOP-voting masochist, then just be honest about your real political affiliation. It's not clever; it's not constructive, and it's anti-democracy. It's also patently transparent.

And yes, I totally support Barrack Hussein Obama to be the democratic party's candidate for president in '08. But I'd vote for Hillary any day over McCain and his extreme-right-wing neo-con backers if she won the nomination.

OBAMA is a must win for the nation to heal and prosper.

Heather

It's called the Democratic Party, not the Paranoid Party. Did you read McGovern's quotes in the article? Did you read the article? Get a grip! Vote for John McCain you cynic! This (election) is all about you and how your feelings are hurt because it's looking bad for the pants suit nation. Solipsism, by the way, is a conservative trait; that's something that you and Hillary might both want to investigate with your respective therapists. Thanks for the laughs you nutty fruit-cake you, and read all of the Ayn Rand book you started rather than just the introduction and you'll realize that you're a republican with, a teeny-tiny r.

I AM SO RELIEVED THIS IS OVER! I voted against Bush, both times, knew the war was a mistake and said so to deaf ears. I watched as the election was stolen from a wimpy Al Gore (I am not a democrat or a republican). I watched as the democrats fell silent and disappeared when Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld showed up. I watched as Tom Brokaw gave up and resigned. I watched Bush's face while he was told of 911 in a KINDERGARTEN class. That man has never spoken to a Kindergarten class before or since. I watched as our DEMOCRACY was swallowed up by greed-seeking monsters. No one stood up. Until the night Bush pushed war through the Senate. I listened on the radio while the bloodthirsty idiots railed for war. 2 SENATORS STOOD UP AND SAID NO. 2 voices in WA. now Just two.

For heaven's sake, drop the race card already. People in America need to grow up and look at a person for their abilities, not their color, religion or money. I don't trust politicians, and Obama is no exception, but I must admit, that dude got to where he is now by surmounting near impossible odds in this country.

The fact is, he grew up in a country dominated by white folks and still made it to where he is so, I am inclined to think that his "blackness" had very little to do with his success.

I hope that we as a country can go past our habitual race and sexist attitudes in life and catch up with Europe where there have been women leaders and leaders of different religions for a long time now.

Giving up a losing fight is hard, but that is what Hillary supporters must do. Counting counties is not relevant, counting votes is what is important. And like it or not, Obama has garnered more votes this primary season. It is perfectly understandable that Hillary supporters feel she is a better candidate. But there are simply more primary voters who believe Barak Obama is the better candidate, despite the inflated negative rhetoric and "radical left wing" labels bandied about carelessly by the Clinton campaign, and the republicans. And in this democracy, the voters decide (unless the are overruled by a partisan Supreme Court, but that's a separate topic).

Black votes for black (mix white & black) called racism; white votes for white is not?
A white old man who waved Obama away in Indiana and said something like "I can't stand Muslim" is discrimination; so what do you call that ugly white old man?
That is really rude and inhuman.

I have been voting Republican for 34 years but I can no longer identify with my party. The Republican moto of "Fiscal and Social Responsibility" has been neglected and abused, not to mention the debacle we have made out of out foreign affairs. I am one of many Republicans that has become an Obamacan because I appreciate his intellect, sophistication and his ability to run one of the classiest campaigns I have ever witnessed. Hillary on the other hand is looking desperate and her repugnant comments and her campaign in general is loathsome and divicive. I am a small businessman that is so fedup with Washington and the status quo, that I'll support a candidate like Obama, who will most likely tax me more than the other candidates, but at least we will rebuild our dignity and behave like a world power should.

Its time for Democrats to come together in support of Obama's candidacy, instead of condoning 11th hour contortions by Hillary and her supporters to try and legitimize her fading bid for the presidency. The people have spoken, It is mathematically impossible for Hillary to get the nomination without resorting to tactics that totally subvert our electoral process. "Rational Democrats" must read the writing on the wall and embrace Senator Obama's nomination so that we can move forward with the best qualified candidate. Those who would characterize Obama's candidacy as "left wing" should actually listen to his stated policies. As to the credibility of Obama's supporters, Mc Govern, Sam Nunn, David Boren, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Patrick Leahy, Tom Daschele, Dick Durbin, Bill Richardson, Zbigniew Brzezinski, as well as many many more attest to the breadth of his support. Obama is our candidate.

[Quote=Sunny Florida]I will NOT vote in the GE for Obama, and will write in her name instead. I can no more, in good conscience, vote for an inexperienced, racist, politician then I could vote for a Republican. [/quote]

Wow, that's really sad SF. So rather than vote for a candidate who supports most of the same issues as Hillary (universal health care, getting out of iraq, you name it...) you will just throw your vote away. You are admitting that you are voting for Hillary SOLELY based on her gender and her as a person that you admire. For you, changing the political equation in this country to benefit ordinary americans again is actually not as important as whether your president is a woman or not.

If that is what you do end up doing then you are spitting on everyone who has fought and died to defend your right to choose (vote) the political direction of your nation. You would throw away your vote and help ensure ongoing republican corruption and war profiteering just because Obama is not a woman?! I can understand you being upset that HRC has lost the nonination, but to act so blatantly against the beliefs that your preferred candidate professes to espouse is just plain stupid. I hope you reconsider your priorities and exercise your right to vote in a more intelligent and rational way that will actually help to ensure your values are reflected by the next president.

Florida and Michigan broke the rules that they voted in favor of 1 1/2 years ago. Now that the DNC was serious they are claiming that it was not fair.

Now let’s look at fair: Obama was NOT even on the ticket in Michigan, Clinton was. Clinton spent money in Florida and Barak didn't, even though there was an agreement that they would not campaign there.

Now lets look at Hillary...she voted for the war, but since it has become unpopular she keeps saying if she only knew!! Come on!! She is a Yale grad, she could have questioned, she could have done allot of things. For example, Russ Feingold (D) WI, he voted against the war...why because he is not a political hack like Clinton she will do anything and say anything that is politically expedient.

Now she is stumping on a Federal Gas Tax holiday. Hundreds of economists have come out and said that this will have no effect on gas prices, but she keeps saying that she won't throw her lot in with economists. However, back in Feb 2008, she was explaining her economic plan for the country, and she kept referring to certain economists that have supported her ideas. Which is it, Hillary??? You can't have it both ways!!

why is noone talking about clear black voter racism ? 91% for ObamaRama from black voters ? Nearly 1 in 2 white males vote for Obama ? and yet somehow obama cool aid drinkers still hint that he cannot be elected because of anglo racism ???

When does the 'society of victumization', i.e press and dems, admit to the ridiculous double standard ?

crat3 is nuts, however, Chris R, I would like to point out that in 2000, the popular vote had Al Gore as our President and look how that turned out...a Supreme Court ruling against the popular vote and here we are in the sunset of this 8 year mistake. Since the advent of the Electoral College and the Superdelegates, the popular vote has meant nothing and I would not be surprised to see Clinton pull a Bushie and find a way for Florida and Michigan to count, as well as pocket a few Super's along the way to losing the general election in November to McCain! It is my hope that she realizes the damage she is doing and quickly end this nonsense before it becomes virtually impossible for the Democrats to win in November.

I don't think we should bring race in to the picture at all. We need CHANGE in this country. It is not going to come from Hillary or McCain.Let us start thinking for ourselves and stop believing all the crap they dish out, such as gas tax holiday.
Obama Will speak the truth good or bad. He will not be beholden to special interests. McCain will give us Bush's trickle down economy and the crums from the rich people's table( may be) and then spend another 3 trillion on wars based on imaginary threats.
WAKE UP AMERICA.

ET"S Corner

When 92% of Black voters vote for the Black candidate that IS racism at it's best. White people are, by and large, voting on issues not on skin color. This is evident in the numbers these candidates are pulling. I'm disgusted that Black people are denying this. When Obama leaves them out of universal health care they'll probably blame that on White people too!

Racism? Will not vote for Obama in GE? Rather vote for McCain than Obama?

crat3 and other Hilliary supporters sounds.... bitter...

Clinton won by 18,500 votes in Indiana out of a total of 1.2 million cast. This does not sound like a resounding victory. I voted for Bill Clinton for president twice and respect Mrs. Clinton. However, we need fresh blood in the White House, and despite my support for Bill Clinton, I was unhappy with much of his backroom, hard-nosed and ill advised escapades. Let's rally behind Obama as another Republican win will alter the Supreme Court landscape for generations.

To TruthHurts,

You are lost! Have you been sleeping under a rock for the last two decades? People like you are poison to our society. Too bad there are more of you.

really will Obama admit the biggest winner from the gas price gouging is the Gov't. ? nearly twice as much taken in as the obscene oil company profits ? Will Obama discuss rezco ?

Will Obama admit we spend twice as much on 'teaching spanish speakers to speak english' in all it's various forms as we have on the war ?

I am betting not, because he DOES NOT speak the truth. He says what you want to hear.

You don't actually want the truth. What you want is a degraded/deflated/demoralized USA. Admit that dem's and lib's and then we can have an honest discussion.

All of this black vote white vote nonsense is what keeps races divided in this country. The media must love it because they talk about percentages of white voters to blacks all the time.

Wade through all of the bs and just see that Obama is an educated guy that can and should beat McCain. McCains story is great as he is a war hero, but he still represents old politics in America. He wants to continue with Bush's policies. How will this better the country? Under this kind of leadership we have, high food prices, high gas prices, a debt that went from black to red, forclosures at an all time high and consumer confidence at an all time low.

See past the color of skin people in Massachusetts. I know its hard but to think of Hillary Clinton as president is absurd. She is a liar, panderer and has more bones in her closet than ten thousand cemetaries.

At least Obama's life has been an open book to all of us...and you know thats the truth.

Vote Obama '08

If you want Michigan counted here's your best option:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/26/what-to-do-with-michigans-votes/

It's fair. It punishes those who broke the rules. The people still get counted.

As for Florida, seat them was a 50-50 split and each delegate counts as half a vote.

I was on a plane flying back to Chicago sitting next to an old white man, WWII vet from the rural western part of Illinois (McCain supporter). He decided to start talking about politics and how he thought Obama and Clinton would ruin this country. I won't tell you how he referred to Sen. Obama because it was really offensive and racist. Obama as President will be the best for this country on many fronts, especially healing the racial divide – minus one crusty old man. It will be worth paying more income taxes to see my teenage children grow up in a world that has a leader who will be a good example for my children, judging people for the content of their heart not the color of their skin. I was in such shock from what the old man said I was speechless.

Once again the Denocrats have figured out how to lose a National election. Does anyone actually think Obama will make it to November before someone asks "yes we can" what? or " change" what? Obama may very well be a solid inspirational speaker with great vision for the left wing, but substance will win in November not inspiration.

"Florida and Michigan must be counted"

-Even though Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot? Get real

Andy, he's running against the republicans, the worlds BIGGEST failures of the modern era.

So oh yes, he can beay McCain easily. Hell, if McCain can figure out whether it's Monday or Thursday when he wakes up in the morning, and WHEN he finally learns something about the Economy, and finally learns what the will of the American people are in regards to Iraq yadda yadda yadda....

Amazing, supporters of the worlds biggest failures pointing the finger, hilarious.

You guys have had your chance to lead, and you failed. Remember Bush in the 2000 convention 'They've had their chance, they failed, we won't.

Keep dreaming

WOW! OK so Hillary can't get the nomination mathematically but neither can Obama. There is a very good reason why Hillary is still in this race....because she can be! If Obama is SOOOOO strong of a candidate then why is she still beating him?? Like her or not she is still more likely to stand up under fire and be able to beat John McCain. Just wait and see...if Obama gets the nomination, the tide will turn and the media darling will have a ton of crap thrown at him by McCain! At least with Hillary we already know all about her flaws, faults and missteps. Wake up people!!

I would like to see Obama be the first Black president on the other hand I would like to see Hillary be the first Woman president, but at the end of the day above all I want to see a Democrat become President.

It's time to pick a candidate and lets get unified before its too late and we have 4 more years of Repulbicans messing things up

"by the very definition, racism is the subjugation of a given race by the majority in power of a country"

Did you write your own dictionary to get that definition? I don't find it in either of my dictionaries.

here's my plan: Obama for President; Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for Secretary of State; Hillary for Secretary of Health & Human Services.

While I agree that, in theory, continuing the race to the end is the most democratic way to get to your nominee, and that every vote should count, I ask those of you who think the calls for Hillary to step down are somehow unfair, undemocratic, unpatriotic, etc. to think back to February when it was clear Hillary did not have a strategy beyond Super Tuesday. Remember that? When she pretty much had to be shamed into flying to Wisconsin after getting pounded in the Potomacs, because she didn't think she would have to bother campaigning there? She certainly didn't give a second thought to penalizing Florida and Michigan either until she realized she was going to need those votes. This is the sad backside of a partisan society, when the inability to accept defeat graciously means further divisiveness, fear-mongering, and spin, trying to turn loses into victories by changing the rules mid-game. At this point the only argument that hasn't been tried is that Hillary is only losing because voters have had the nerve to give Barack more votes. !!

I would like to see Obama win the election - But I would definately vote for Hillary because that means I would actually be getting Bill and I love Bill no matter what he did or didn't think was considered sex.

What is the harm in waiting until June 3 when the primaries end and every person has had the opportunity to vote before calling for a viable candidate to withdraw? This is supposed to be a democracy and the people in West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota and other states have just as much right to vote and have a say in the Democratic candidate as anybody else! If the Obama supporters are so confident that their candidate has wrapped up the fight for the nomination, then they should have no problem in settling down and coasting through the next four weeks. It seems to me that there is a little too much protesting going on here...Perhaps they aren't as confident as they would like it to seem? With less than 1% difference in the popular vote right now, I'd hardly say Obama has wrapped this up.

Hillary needs to get out of the race because she is starting to risk not only Democratic unity, but also her own political credit. If she keeps pressing forward, it's going to look increasingly like an ego trip or a power grab. She's not ahead in popular votes or delegates, and she isn't bringing in new money.

The Clinton campaign is almost out of financial gas with no way to refill. She's going to buy ad time and billboards with what - bluster?

People supporting Hillary are a dedicated group. They have held The Senator high, and you have to respect that. However, there are too many negative things associated with The Clintons, and if she keeps going, the cost to Democrats will become another one.

I cannot believe that in 2008 the issue of a man's race is still so much a part of our discussion. Apparently the dream of judging a man(or a woman) by the content of his or her character is still a dream.
I am a white woman who was born in the 50's and came of political age in the 60's. We should all be celebrating the fact that we NOW have a woman and a man of color running for the highest office in the land. But, I am afraid that Hillary and Bill have played this political game so hard that they have lost sight of anything but winning. With her, it would be four more years of the same.
I support Obama. He is a force for change. He is working hard to run a campaign focused on the issues. We must end this war. We must fix our economy, our education system and our political system.
The Deomocratic party must unite

It's TIME for Senator Clinton to drop off the race. She run a negative and a divisive campain. It's TIME to Unit the Party. It's TIME ....Its TIME to bow.

Senator Obama not only run against Senator Clinton, but also, against the former president her husband and a lawyer daughter. Inspite of all that, I think Senator Obama run his quest for the presidency with dignity and class. And that's way I think he will be a great president.

Clinton is down to 2 choices. 1. Quit the race gracefully. 2. Continue the race and destroy her Political career.

It seems that we've somehow all jumped off the deep end today. Let's take a step away from the Obama-fueled media spin and take another look at the results: (1) North Carolina 's demographics are tailor made for Obama - a large black population that has consistently voted overwhelmingly for him, along with pockets of white liberal college elites. So why are we so amazed by his decent win there? It's no big surprise, folks. And (2) Indiana is NEXT DOOR to his home base. Yet, he couldn't carry the state, even with an apparently corrupt mayor in Gary trying his very best to swing thing Obama's way.

Sure, last night was no game changer, but to me Indiana was the big story - underscoring as it did Obama's major shortcomings as a candidate. I've never had political problems with Senator McGovern, Vice President Mondale, Governor Dukakis, Vice President Gore, or Senator Kerry, but boy that's a long, long list of fine politicians that proved incapable of sealing the deal. What we've learned is that Obama is very much of this breed and trust me, my misguided fellow Democrats, the man is not going to win in November. I hate to burst your fantasy bubble.

Well....in my opinion this is a moot point, because neither of them can beat McCain; that said, I do not doubt Hillary's devotion to this country. On the other hand, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is trying his best to sweep his known and open ties to terrorists and anti-American racists under the rug, and I think the media has not been strong enough in calling him out on this. Even though Hillary has lied and seems to do ANYTHING for an ounce of power, I guess she is the lesser of two evils. I'm sure I've offended a lot of people with this post, but change for the sake of change is not necessarily a good thing. McCain's devotion to our nation is unwavering. Just because the media and liberals have tried to smear our current commander-in-chief, doesn't mean we should let that taint our view of McCain. Oh, and Bush has kept all of you safe for seven years, correct? Oh yeah, but that has nothing to do with us fighting them on their turf, right? (my brother just came back from over there, and has seen the disparity between the progress made, and the progress portrayed in the media; and it's discouraging to say the least). Ahmadinejad still calls America the great satan and Israel the little satan, in case you didn't realize. Whether you admit it or not, if we don't fight them on their ground they will bring it to ours. But I digress, McCain '08!!

The polls have her beating McCain, Obama will loose against him. The core Democratic party supports Clinton. Obama does not have that support. Hillary needs to stay the distance!

Why should Hillary bow out. Obama doesn't have the numbers. I thought he was about unity, don't sound it to me. I will never vote Obama, I rather have a true patriot like McCain.

There are a lot of sutpid people in this country.
Vote for Raplh Nader if your so mad at how the election is turning out!
Most of what is said in this list is deplorable.

i am very sorry to say but i do think that Obama will be the nominee. However, i fear for the dems that he will not win in the fall. I am accaully pretty sure of it. And if he does win he will be a laim duck president. It is too bad, because he accaully had a chance of winning and being a good president someday, if he had only waited to gain a little more experience. As far as Hillary goes, she should continue on until all votes are cast and a decision on who will get the nod should be made before the convention.

She should get out now, period.

Or will it be the other way around?

http://www.usatomorrownews.com/politics/2008-elections/clinton-pressures-obama-to-drop-out/

Hey Boston,

That remark about Bobby Kennedy - how could she be so insensitive and
plain stupid? I cannot see photos of Bobby Kennedy without tears coming to my eyes.....he was my ultimate hero! back in 1968!!! Barack is not Bobby Kennedy, Hillary is SO far from him that it is unimaginable.

Good riddance to her and Bill.....please, not wishing you harm, but please go somewhere where I don't have to look at either of your faces again....

Carole Huet
Johnstown, Ohio - formerly Oceanport and Trenton, New Jersey....

Hey JakeB - They just don't get it. Nothing Either Clinton does is a mistake. They plan things perfectly and make sure they cover up their intentions. Clinton put her name on the ballot alone. Even AFTER she had agreed to not count the votes due to the rule breaking that had occured. So if she truly supported the governments decision to penalize states who do not follow rules then why put her name on the ballot you ask? Because if something WERE to happen and she didn't come out on top she has a backup plan. She can whine and moan and push them to count the votes that are completely biased because SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BALLOT. The states didn't have a choice between her and Obama. Just her. Lets not forget about the people who didn't even come out to vote because they were told their votes would not count. She's for the people alright, but only for those who vote for her, screw everyone else right Hilary? And don't forget about all her other wonderful qualities. Hey at least Bill waited until he was in office to lie to America. What happened in Bosnia again Hil?