Not so fast, Clinton supporters say
The drumbeat grows louder for Hillary Clinton to gracefully exit the stage and cede the spotlight to Barack Obama.
If he gets the expected win in today's primary in Oregon, Obama will declare loudly that he has the majority of all delegates to be chosen by voters in primaries and caucuses. He is 17 shy of that milestone on the path to the Democratic nomination.
UPDATE: Obama, previewing his speech tonight, said he planned to remind Americans of the "very unlikely journey" of his candidacy.
"The reason we've been successful is because the people in Iowa and all across the country have been willing to set aside their cynicism and doubt and vote their hopes," he said on MSNBC this afternoon. "Essentially it's a message thanking the American people for having the confidence that we can really change the country right now."
If he is the nominee, Obama said, he would offer a clear choice with John McCain, whom he said represents more of the same Bush policies at both home and abroad.
For his speech tonight in Iowa, he will have a new high-profile ally -- Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Scott Brennan will endorse Obama today, the Associated Press is reporting. And a growing number of leading Democrats say it's time to let Obama focus on Republican John McCain.
But Clinton and her loyalists are having none of that. She is expected to win in Kentucky, meaning she would have won four of the last six primaries.
A group of supporters, gathered as WomenCount PAC, placed a full-page ad in today's New York Times.
"Not so fast....Hillary's voice is OUR voice, and she's speaking for all of us," the headline says.
They say in the ad that they "stand united in our unwavering support for Hillary Clinton." "We know that when women vote, Democrats win. Now it is the responsibility of our party to hear our voices and count all of our votes. We want Hillary to stay in this race until every vote is cast, every vote is counted, and we know that our voices are heard."



Women voted in 2004 and W won...so what?
Blacks vote and Democrats win. This is evident all through the south, particularly in MS-01 and in Louisiana and countless other states. There is no other more dedicated group of Democrats than the African American vote, so women coming out and thinking they are the most ardent supporters are doing a disservice to AA voters. I'm not saying they're racist at all, I'm just saying they are full of it.
If they truly want to do the best thing for Democrats it would be to NOT divide the party along class and racial lines, which is exactly what the likes of Ferraro is trying to do. THis is utterly disgraceful. Obama would do no less than Clinton for womens rights as President and for them to suggest otherwise is a terrible thing.
Dear Fellow Americans,
Our Great-grand Nation, the United States of America
is facing and will face very critical and substantial
"Challenges" in coming, months, years, and next decade[s].
It is very essential as well as critical that we pick our next
President keeping in mind the following criteria.
1. A candidate who has a clear and candid " Vision
and Mission" for our Nation.
2. A candidate with " Strong Character and Stable
Integrity" in-spite of adversity during our present election process.
3. A candidate with sound and sustained
"Presidential Temperament" and " Judgment".
4. A candidate with little "Washington exposure"
and "real connectedness with people and future
generation".
5. A candidate who "Inspires us up" rather than
"Tears us Down".
6. A candidate not based on sexism,
racism,regionalism,and ageism and as well as “ attempts to bring us together “
In my professional, political and personal opinion,
the only candidate that meets the all above
characteristics and has shown constant and consistent
coolness, calmness, and connectedness { PRESIDENTIAL
TEMPERAMENT } is Senator Barrack Obama.
As an independent registered voter since 1980. I voted
for Carter, voted for Reagan, voted for First Bush,
and second Bush in 2000 and In the process last
interest in Washington politics and I stopped voting. Getting disinterested and disgusted in our political process and stopping voting that was a very bad decision in any circumstance, particularly under present circumstances.
This time we can not afford to stay on side lines and
let "Washington" stay the same.We can not afford our
Greatgreat Nation to become less than what we are,
what we were and what we can be?
We need to send clear, careful and candid message to
the world and some time 24 hour partisan divisive media,
that WE the American people will set the agenda for our future and America will be back.
These partisan media outlets are trying to deprive,
dupe, and derail us and our Nation in getting it right
this time. We not let it happen this time or in future.
Some of these partisan media and pundits are trying their best
to deny us better future and continue focus our
weaknesses and generate bitter future for us and our
Greatgrand Nation. { Our Greatgrand Nations people
are persistently and constantly subjected to this
Psychological Terrorism" without common people’s knowledge. The
common and regular people do not have time to see
thru and sort thru this psychological terrorism perpetuated
by some of these partisan media outlets. I find it tragic, unfortunate, and sad [ Probably they do not care about our Greatgrand Nation ].
We the Americans should not and would not to allow
Some these partisan media outlets psychologically
terrorized, traumatized and silence us this time or
any time in future.
I am sure that we will get it right this
time and elect Senator Obama our next President.
Let us remember that our Greatgrand is constituted of
family, friends,fellowships, faith, funds,foundation,
fun, and future with fairness and freedom and without
fear, favor, or failure .
We can not afford to lose any of above. Let us stand
up, be counted, save, build our Greatgrand Nation for
centuries to come and regain our world economic,
moral, and power status back.
God Bless our Great grand Nation and its diverse
people.
Our Greatgrand nation needs present and future
stability, security, safety,sustained progress and
restoration of our due status in this perilous Global
World at the all levels.
Yours sincerely,
COL.[retd] A.M.Khajawall M.D.
Forensic Psychiatrist.
Disables American Veteran.
Las Vegas Nevada.
Cell: 951-505-6975
Okay you take an ad out in the New York Times, which have already voted -- okay who do they expect to see this?
See here is where you keep getting it wrong. she IS NOT speaking for all of US. she is not speaking for ME. She is not speaking for my daughters or my family. she does nor speak fro many many womenI know. Obama speaks for us. "Not so fast....Hillary's voice is OUR voice, and she's speaking for all of us"
Republican’s “October Surprise.” there’s video of Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/16/will-barack-throw-mama-from-the-train/
a report has surfaced claiming existence of video tape showing Michelle Obama, wife of presidential candidate Barack Obama, railing against "whitey" from the pulpit of racist, anti-US pastor Reverend Wright's church.
According to Larry Johnson, a former Deputy Director in the US State Department
"I now have it from two three four sources (three who are close to senior
Republicans) that there is video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against
“whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wright’s United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament." when this clip is made public, Obama's star will rise precipitously within leftist circles, but his hope of becoming the next president of the United States will be instantly destroyed.
Perhaps it has something to do with Obama's recent statement urging Republicans to "lay off" his wife, as if Michelle Obama's behavior, provocative statements and high-profile stance during his campaign should somehow be immune from examination and criticism.
Obama’s chief political adviser David Alexrod on National Public Radio claimed white working class Democrats barely exist and hardly matter, white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, This is not new, WE don’t need or rely solely on those votes.
Obama lost West Virginia by more than 40 points, an enormous fall, voters who went against Obama — white, rural, older, low-income and without college degrees — don't just live in West Virginia. They live everywhere in the country, places Obama needs to win in a general election. Now we hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public. Obama's inability to persuade working-class white voters to back him points to serious problem for him in the presidential election. A large percentage of voters who backed Mrs Clinton said they would not vote for Obama in the presidential race if he becomes the nominee. Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane
ditto!
Obama08
This is starting to split and divide the party, where we will have no chance at all come November.
I'm uncomfortable with Obama. I know many are voting for him simply because he's (half) black. That's not a good enough reason for me. If you want to be president, you must salute and honor the flag, the country and history. He honors none of that by his own admission.
I'm a democrat, but I won't vote for Obama. Obamians are throwing the election by trying to get a democratic candidate who can't win the election.
Sucking up guys. Clinton is defeated.
But the Demacrate primay is like a drama of
"The Emperor''s New Clothes"
One see the clothes.
One see the color.
One see the body.
LOL
Faulty logic...I am a woman, and I have no intention of voting for Hillary Clinton.
Clinton truly is tearing our party apart, and she should well be held responsible in the event of the election of John McCain. Shame on you, Senator Clinton.
Hillary and her supporters certainly do not speak for me. It's a joke how I am supposed to vote on biology alone, and if I do not, I am a traitor. Isn't it about women being able to make intelligent, educated choices of their own?
The Clintons are in this for . . . the Clintons as usual. She's just angry she stayed with Bill all these years so she could use the Clinton name, and now will likely not get the nomination.
Hillary voted for that egregious war in Iraq, that is what lost my vote for her. Obama did not, that's says it all in my opinion.
Erm... I'm a woman and Hillary doesn't speak for me. (Obama doesn't "speak for me" either; I can speak for myself, thank you very much.) The reason I voted for and continue to support Obama is his attempts to transcend the usual politics and the usual divisions. Hillary has shown her true colors in her willingness -- even eagerness -- to get down and dirty, dividing the party along racial lines, gender lines, class lines... anything that will help her win. She's hawkish in her political career, seemingly always jumping at the bit to fight with someone; why would we expect her to be any less so in her role as President? I'm so sick of "tough guy" Presidents. It really says something about how far gone we are as a nation that the basic concept of *talking* to enemy leaders is thought of as "reckless." We need *diplomacy* and tact to help reconcile us with the rest of the world. Obama can do that far better than Hillary.
Khajawall, don't assume your criteria for selecting a candidate is the same as mine.
Also, for a M.D. I'm surprised you didn't catch that your signature block misspells "Disabled" as "Disables"
Thirdly, how does a medicine degree give you credibility when speaking about politics?
He's a racist bigot newbie who won't salute the flag I served for 10 years.
McCain 100%
It could be argued that the Democrats lost in 2004 because blacks did not turn out at high enough rates. Or, for that matter, because women did not turn out at high enough rates. What's your point? They're both important constituencies for the Democratic Party, and all the ad is saying is that the party cannot afford to ignore the will of women, who have mostly supported Clinton throughout the primary season. Blacks could make the same argument, but then again nobody's been trying to get the candidate they've supported out of the race before everyone gets to vote.
What most of the American people and voters are missing in this election is that they are listening to what Obama or HIllary as President are saying they will do to solve America's economic, racial, social security, health care and the Iraq war issues. However, in reality, the President cannot resolve any of these issues with the exception of the war. The American people need to realize is that is why they elected their congressional representatives, they are the only ones that can sole these issues by enacting legislation not the President. The President's job is to defend and protect this country !! and who do we want in that position.....
A True American Hero
One big reason that I do not worry about either Hillary or Obama is that neither will be our next President. The new President's name will be McCain.
You, Gail, are a real piece of work. You make these ridiculous claims and spout your hate-filled nonsense and think any sentient being will believe you? Like that racist pitbull Geraldine Ferraro, you have absolutely no credibility. There will be no October surprise. If you think for an instant that the Obama campaign would be so negligent as to not vet the videos at the Obama's church at this late stage of the primary race, you are crazy as well as stupid. If there were any further inflammatory videos to be found, the Obama team would have released them themselves. Do the world a favor --- take your dumb self to the nearest cave and sleep until after Jan. 20, 2009. You are a moron!
Gail, if those folks decide not to vote for Obama, THEY are DECIDING on their own to be "the enemy". In what way have the people who voted for Clinton been disrespected? Because the even greater number of people who have voted for Obama haven't just given up and turned over all authority to the Clinton supporters? Don't you see the hypocrisy? God this gets old.
Gail, what a pathetic attempt at veiled campaigning and smearing. I guess it's too much to ask for Clinton supporters to tell the truth when their role model isn't setting a very good example for them.
In my humble opinion, the nation and the world has had more than enough of the Clintons. This is now all about her giant ego, not what is in the best interest of the Dem party and ultimatly the nation. Her wanting to count everyones vote is garbage, she lost 4 primaries ago and just doesn't have the class or humility to admit it. If the Dem contender is going to have any chance at all of defeating the Rep contender then they have to get behind one of the candidates or the other.
I think at this point it would be important for Obama and his advisers to heed the message from Clinton's supporters: acknowledge how we feel and that our voices (and votes) matter. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but having won several of the last primaries, even if it won't get her closer to the nomination, means she has a lot of support. Obama and his camp would do well to COURT those voters, and not just assume they will switch allegiance to him as the Democratic nominee. it would be easy to dsmiss Clinton's followers, but it would also be a mistake: their votes are important AND their needs and issues and yes, voices, are important as voters, as Democrats, and as Americans. While many, myself included to a degree, see Clinton's tenacity and desire to see the race through as harmful to the party, frankly, it's part of the nominee's job to be able to address and heal any rifts that may arise between now and November. I believe Obama has the character to do so.
do people still read the NY Times?
All Hillary supporters sould show their support for her by voting for McCain or staying home.
Both Clinton and Obama have no business even running for President. Maybe Obama should come back when he gets some experence being a Senator first. After this Demorcratic fiasco the next President will be John McCain.
I'm an Obama supporter... but I think Hillary should never drop out because she's a few points behind. Why? Because a very small lead does NOT equal a WIN. Obama hasn't beaten her yet. If you want her to quit, then simply WIN the nomination!
Yep and the "whitey" stuff mentioned below is going to come out full force if Obama is allowed to run for President! You can take that to the bank. Democrats in the know, know that Obama is being backed by Republicans - secretly albeit -but it is a fact. Now, take a step back and tell me you don't find it interesting that not one of the prominent vocal black radical speakers have not said one single word - Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, etc. Doesn't anyone out there find this extremely interesting????!!!! Someone has gotten to these guys and told them to keep quiet - or "whitey" out there will back away from voting for Obama if he's "connected" with these radicals! You mark my words, the day Obama gets the nomination (please Lord I sure hope not), all of these radicals will come out of the woods and start espousing how wonderful Obama is and "whitey" will be left only to say "what have we here?" and not want to vote for him during the election. All a wonderfully planned out strategy by the Republicans! You know what the Republicans will do, they'll say something to anger these radicals and make them come out and speak for Obama and all the white voters who were going to vote for Obama will either not vote at all or vote for McCain!! MARK MY WORDS. I don't think I need to qualify this here - but I will - I am not a racist, I am a very sensible white woman voter - who can see the forest for the trees. People, you are making the biggest mistake ever thinking that Obama is the answer. He is not! Hillary has the experience and all the aces in the hole - not Obama. She has more wisdom and experience and she's the one that will turn this crap around. I can't wait to see how this all plays out - but the first time you hear any of those black radicals speak out - you remember what you read here.
surly by now this tape should have appeared on u-tube or some other find everything, show everthing site, come all you computer experts, find and publish this clip and end this preposterous obama campaign before we end up with another 4 years of our disatrous republican leadership.
Please do something to win for the American people who are tired of all the bull that is going on in our country. How about the people who live pay check to pay check. Our country needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!! More jobs in our country, not sending manufacturing out of the country, How about keeping the USA strong in our own country. Drill in the US for oil! Help Help Help I'm a registered democrat have been all my live but somewhere down the line I might have second thoughts. I sure don't want more of the likes of Bush.
The only reason Obama has succeeded in this race is beacuse so many Blacks who never ever voted before came out in droves to register and vote for him because they want their own to be elected. Their decision was based on race not on experience or policy. Of course, no one ever mentions this in the media.
Clinton's not tearing the party apart Obama is and if he's so smart and gifted , Why doen't he realize he hasn't any chance at being President right now.Clinton or McCain will bring this country together.Bring Respect back to America
ps. nobody wants to read a narrative longer than the blog itself! stop posting such ridiculously long comments!!! if you can't make your point in less than 800 words, you lose the debate!
Anybody who dares to say anything with words such as race, or white have been labeled racists. I have never seen an election where so much accusation is being thrown out at people who would not vote for Obama.
Just treating people with this double standard and Obama will loose for sure.
So much for the No Child Left behind act. Schools have to teach math!
Replying to : Col. AM Khajawall's comments:
The fact that you voted for Reagan, saw the aftermath of his presidency, and still voted for George Bush Sr. doesn't speak well for you or your judgement. You even admit to voting for his idiotic son, George W Bush, who has lead this nation into war based on lies (ie the Downing street memo), driven our economy into the ground, embarrassed us in the face of the world, caused the death of over 4000 Americans and countless Iraqis, etc, etc .... and now you want to offer some advice or your opinions regarding who the American people should vote for .... WOW! You have a lot of nerve. I sure hope no one is foolish enough to actually pay you for your professional services.
If Obama doesn't know what he did to make women angry at him, then they certainly shouldn't tell him...
Obama is not good for this country. His character or lack there of clearly defines that he has not the morals, know how or integrity to lead this country out of the hole the geoge jr has dug us into. If the democrap..err democratic party chooses him, I will switch to the republican party to donate all my financial support too. I will also write in Hillary's name (as McCain is also no good for this country) on November’s ballot and I strongly urge and encourage all Hillary supporters as well as every other voter to do the same. In addition, if the Electoral College fails to honor the people’s request, I move that government power be removed from these people. The peoples voice is loud and clear too me. Hillary in 08, 12 and protégé beyond!!!
Clear voice in Michigan
P.S.
I also promote that the ones who unethically moved the Michigan primary to January also be moved from gvt power for ethical violations against the citizens of Michigan
Whooaa--Hillary speaks for ALL of us??? I'm a fifty year old white female (as are many of my friends), supposedly the core of Hillary's base. She does not even begin to speak for me (or my friends), and I have grown increasingly disgusted with her and her politics over the course of this nomination process. Obama--Yes, we can!
My favorite argument thus far:
"Obama doesn't wear a flag pin, therefore he's not patriotic, therefore he's not American, therefore he's a terrorist."
The fact that Obama admits to not wearing a pin all the time actually makes me appreciate him more. He doesn't feel obligated to express his patriotism in the same ways that other politicans do. He's different, and we need more of people like him running for any type of office.
Oh, and people from West Virginia are funny. They claimed that they didn't vote for Obama because "he's a Muslim" (that whole pastor thing didn't register, apparently) and "we don't need his kind around here." Way to appeal to the fine citizens of WV, Hillary.
Obama '08
Democratic likely Presidential nominee Sen Obama will face a different kind of election in November. White Americans who were angered and frustrated by Obama's ex-pastor for 20 years the Rev Jeremiah Wright's controversial anti-white and anti-American statements, I believe majority of them will not vote for Obama. Other weakness of Obama are; inability to win the white working-class votes, the blue-collar workders, the elders, and the less-educated people, these are proven weaknesses of him. And, the most damaging is Obama's failure to win the Big & Swing states that carries huge electoral votes in the general election. If McCain will face Obama in the fall election, the next US President will be a Republican
Sen John McCain and NOT a Democrat.
We all need to step back and look at what's going on and what our feelings say about us and where we are as Americans. The arguement is not a racial or sexist arguement. The question is do we have the discipline to put aside our personal feelings and look at the results? Obama has won. He won following the guidelines set up by the DNC and agreed to by Mrs. Clinton herself. Now if any other candidate was trumpeting the sort of skewed math, technicalities and shady logic that Clinton is currently selling people, they would become a joke. The really dangerous part of all of this is that we and the DNC are actually considering changing the rules to suite Hillary Clinton and that's no different than what the GOP, the state of Florida and Supreme court did to elect GW Bush. Is this really who we've become? Are we so selfish now that NO rules matter? We cut people off in traffic more because we can that because we should. Is this who we are?
The logic is terrible -- and from women no less. I, too, am a woman who will not vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton. HRC has demonstrated that if she is not the candidate, then she will do everything in her power so that the Democratic party will not win. She will ruin her future in politics. She will not have any chance of winning in 2012. Her behavior as a politician is shameful. Now she's quoting Rove? And that accomplishes... what? Clinton is incapable of leading this country, it will not be a woman but Bill leading this country -- again -- and I despise HRC's healthcare plan. She is not much different than John McCain, and I trust McCain more than I trust Hillary and Bill.
Your poor misguided Clinton supporters. You think you have the right to express your own opinionis and support your candidate. Not these days. The Obama pirhana are on full alert...
If on Feb 27, 2008, someone had claimed that videos exist of Sen. Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright, making what are often perceived as anti-American, racist, sexist remarks, would a commenter here wonder why they were not already available on YouTube?
To quote Dr. Carl Sagan (on a very different subject), "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
The Wright tapes are certainly everywhere now.
Our nation and our Planet need women in charge. Look at the results of men being in charge.
Not that men are not capable or needed, but we are clearly way out of balance. Until we get back into balance, we need more and more women to be supported into leadership positions.
Mother Earth needs some feminine-based leadership. Now.
Ah, let the swiftboating begin with rumors of a nefarious video, various illiterate comments, and diatribes and vitriol worthy of Karl Rove. One thing is definitely certain, divisionist politics are winning, and everyone who uses namecalling contributes to the lack of dialogue and civility in the country. You should be ashamed of yourselves, didn't you mothers bring you up better than that?
Numerically, it isn't possible for Sen. Clinton (and please use the proper title) to win. This blog is clear indication of what is happening to the country because she continues to campaign.
No voter who would have voted for Sen. Clinton should consider voting for Sen. McCain out of spite, but only out of true conviction. Are we women really so petty?
Do we really want to be in Iraq for another ten years? (with some fighting still ongoing?) Do we really want to support the current inequities, and the rise in the price of everything from food to fuel? Those are the questions to be answered.
Certainly I have seen no sign that Sen. Obama hasn't acknowledged how women voters feel, but do we really need someone to pat us on the shoulder and assure us he's thinking about us? Or are we grown women willing to acknowledge our own responsibility for our own decisions.
None of the candidates are perfect - Sen. McCain very likely cheated on his first wife with his second (wealthy) one. Sen. Clinton lied (not exaggerated) about her trip to Bosnia. Sen. Obama went to a church where his pastor sometimes said radical things.
Vote for the person who will best serve the country.
Hey, LM
Guess what? We just heard that African-Americans aren't the only group with a monopoly on discrimination.
Guess what? Your vote is NOT more important and that ignorant self-serving attitude will guarantee a McCain victory.
As long as African Americans think they are the center of the universe and sexism doesn't exist, our policy will be that racism doesn't exist. Women are 51% of the population, so in terms of sheer numbers, you'd best learn some respect for others.
We will never never never vote Obama. Vote Clinton as Independent
I hear what women are saying: that they would like to see a woman in the Whie House. I am a woman too, But does that mean ANY woman? Not for me. Hillary Clinton has shown herself to be a lying, unscrupulous, pandering lowlife. That would be like a black person saying, "I want to see a black President so Michael Vick for President."
Having said that, I'm Canadian, so maybe my opinion is irrelevant. But surely to God Americans want to be proud of their President. Choose wisely.
I support Hillary Clinton as the strongest and most qualified candidate for president. Unfortunately the corporated run media has backed the candidate with no experience since he will be easier to defeat in November. If you are angry at the way the media has dissed you as a Hillary supporter, here are several things to do:
1. Re-register as an Independent. The Democratic party has acted in a sexist and unfair manner and is dedicated to defeat. While saying that the super delegates should go with the people, i.e. the popular vote, superdelegates like Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson and Edwards has supported Obama while the people in their states voted for Clinton. Democrates = hypocrits. Leaving the democratic party will send a clear message that this behavior is not acceptable.
2. Write in Hillary Clinton in November. It is tempting to vote for McCain in protest, but that will not be a clear message. Better to write in Hillary and deny Obama and McCain an electorial college win. Then it goes to the congress to decide and by then, the Democrates will have gotten the message: No Obama.
3. Vote out the hypocrates who defied the will of the people in their states and supported Obama. You want "change"? Holding elected officials accountable is the first and best step. Fire them!
The Democratic Party itself set up the screwy rules that are denying Hillary the nomination. Obama is too inexperienced to be the nominee. The US already got a president with no experience and empty promises (all fluff and no stuff). His name is GWBush. Let's not make that mistake again with a Obama.
This time, women need to DO things that will make the difference. Sixteen million Hillary supports can and should step up and take back their power. Join us.
I am fighting till the end with Hillary and I know she will be our next president. She is the most qualified and the map, not math, is on her side. She has the majority of votes, and 318 electoral votes vs. 216 of Obama so far. In terms of character issue, she is more electable, we know who she is. But truly can you say this about Hussein Obama? So far what we know about his association with questionable characters like pastor Wright is that he is not saying the truth to American people.
I'm more worried about how China will slap Obama around should he become President. He has already telegraphed his weakness; and China is adept (and immediate) at testing US Presidents. I have no doubt that China will either impose a more defiant economic and military stance in both SouthEast Asia and Africa; and moreso, I believe that they will generate a crisis that involves Taiwan, and ultimately (and rapidly) absorb Tawain owing to Obama's glass jaw.
I hope that both France and England are ready to step in and do the dirty work - Obama isn't capable of it.
Obama is the affirmative action candidate - Ferraro is entirely correct in her statements and she got blasted. This is a country of free speech. Affirmative action's goal is to give people like Obama opportunities. So the fact that Obama is where he is today is testament to the successes of Affirmative Action. If this is not the logical conclusion, why do we still support it?
That aside, Obama is simply not the right candidate.
Hillary is the best candidate for the job. She has vision to launch the US on the right path to the 21st century. She is not divisive, it is Obama who has split the nation up. All his dirty politicking in Chicago will catch up with him (Rezko/Auchi/Wright/Ayers) - do not nominate this man.
Hillary does speak for me! I expect her to stay in this race until every last vote is counted. I expect the same from the racist terrorist Barack! (YES, HE IS A RACIST AND YES HE HAS MANY TERRORIST TIES. STOP GAWKING OVER A UTOPIAN FANTASY, DO SOME RESEARCH, GROW UP, AND YOU WILL SEE THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF! SO, DON'T WRITE ME BACK WITH OPINIONS OR BALONEY! CAN'T CHANGE THE TRUTH!) Whether Hillary wins against Obama doesn't matter. Every state deserves to be heard. Every American has the right to vote. If Oback was as wonderful as he makes himself out to be he would feel the same. There is no uniting the party. McCain WILL win against him, I am not in the least bit concerned about that. Hillary supporters (who actually DO have a clue) will NEVER vote for a racist with terrorist ties! Wake up you moronic humans! There is no utopia and if there is then Barack is also the anti-Christ!! Educate yourselves!!
I don't know who these idiots think they are speaking for it's certainly not me, not my friends . not my family.
We will stand by Hillary Clinton. We know she might not win but I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama - I simply do not trust him. I am urging Hillary to run as an Independent - Then you will see who the voters really want.
Before you get too excited about the no-experience situation it would be best to consider John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington.
Funny how the 'hussein' comes out - not that there is any racism or discrimination implied there, Nancy - or are you a closet Republican pretending to be a Democrat, as many did in the last few elections Sen. Clinton won? I do wonder how many Republicans voted for her, not because they want to see her as President, but because they want to go up against her and Bill? Hmmmmm. Keep playing into their hands, and we'll get Sen. McCain.
I do know that if you actually understand your history, Pastor Wright was more correct in his statements than say Jerry Falwell was about 9/11, but we don't want to hear that, do we?
If nothing else has convinced me to vote for Sen. Obama it is the meanness, the bitchiness and the nastiness of Sen. Clinton's supporters evidenced here. As a woman, I'm ashamed, as an American, I'm appalled, as an Independent voter, I'm choosing the candidate by those who represent him.
HILLARY CLINTON IS THE GREATEST CAMPAIGNER IN AMERICAN HISTORY !!!
HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:
IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!
It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania, and loss in Indiana and West Virginia makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.
Sen. Obama has zero chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources without Hillary Clinton. Zero chance.
It is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.
Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Sen. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.
Sen. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Sen. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.
If Sen. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.
Don't be fooled by the pledged delegate, and math arguments. Neither candidate has the necessary pledged delegates. The entire delegates counts, and votes from Florida, and Michigan are not even being counted. Plus the democratic caucuses, and primarys have been heavily corrupted by fraud, and vote cheating. The only relevant question now is who can best WIN IN NOVEMBER and take back the Whitehouse for the American people. And the answer is HILLARY CLINTON. Everyone knows that now.
Sincerely
Jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. Cynthia Ruccia - I'm with ya baby. All the way. "Clinton Supporters Count Too."
Why is it that the nastiest posts on any message board seem to be written by the Obama surrogates? Why are they so angry?
The following choice remarks, in response to a Clinton supporter, are, incredibly, excerpted from only ONE such pro-Obama post:
ridiculous
hate-filled nonsense
racist pitbull
you have absolutely no credibility
you are crazy as well as stupid
Do the world a favor --- take your dumb self to the nearest cave and sleep until after Jan. 20, 2009.
You are a moron!
I mean, really, good grief!
White, educated, male here who would never, could never, vote for the appeasing Barack Hussein Obama.
But wishes he could vote for Colin Powell.
McCain 08
Clinton can claim anything she wants, lying is her forte. She is not worthy of anyones trust except to hate monger. She has only stirred up hate and I gues there are those that hate right along with her. Clinton is not worthy of the trust of the citizens of the United States of America and the world. Period.
I am a 53 year old african american woman and i have never in my years of voting seen such a joke of an election. The african americans are voting for obama because he is black and the media is not calling anyone on it. It makes me embarrassed to be black. the world is watching....they see us on videos, they see on the that horrible show, college hill and now they see the ignorance of us voting for someone just because he is black. He has no experience and all he has to bring to the table is a colegate smile and a suit. The media has angered me so much that when this is over i will never watch cnn, msnbc or fox news. They are a disgrace to our country. Now, to all the backstabbers, ship jumpers, and now turncoats. To all you people calling for hillary to step down, would you want your horse to stop on the tracks because he see another horse betting him...you people need to stop your BS and leave the voting process alone. If you have voted already, fine but there are other states that have to vote. stop being selfish. back to the black vote. Jessie Jackson Jr. called a black congressman in Georgia and said to him: if it came down to it and it was the last day and you were a superdelegate, would you want to go down in history as being the one to keep a black man out of the white house? what kind of BS is this....who do we african americans think we are. we can say anthing about other races, but when anyone says anthing about us, we want to march or protest. you can see it in comedy def jam, stand up comedy, comicview. if i am lying , watch thest shows. BEORE THIS, THE BLACKS WERE ALL ABOUT THE CLINTONS. IF BILL COULD RUN AGAIN, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM, IF HILLARY WAS TO RUN, I WOULD VOTE FOR HER. THEN A BLACK MAN COMES ALONE WITH NOTHING, THE CLINTONS CAN'T SAY ANYTHING UNLESS THE BLACKS ARE BACKLASHING THEM. WHEN THIS IS OVER, IF I WAS HILLARY, I WOULD TELL A LOT OF PEOPLE TO KISS MY YOU KNOW WHAT. BUNCH OF TURNCOATS. I have lost all respect of ms oprah, kennedy, the sell out edwards, and all the rest of the dnc. Hillary and bill should leave that party. I know after this election, i will have nothing to do with the democratic party. they are weak, they turn their backs on their own, they are not for me anymore. and when i see them on tv saying we need to end the election before all states have voted just makes me sick to my stomach. i will never vote democrat again if i vote at all and because i work and pay taxes, i can always complain. and i don't care who don't like it. most of you white people don't want obama as president, you are just voting for him because you either don't want the clintons back in the white house, dont' want a woman as president-some men would rather cut their throat than to have to say madam president, the others don't want a black man but all are voting for obama to knock hillary out of the way and than vote for mccain. If hillary does not get this nomination, i will write her name in or not vote at all. Bill and hillary has not made this a race thing, the media and the african americans has. when bill said obama would win south carolina because jessie did, they may as well stone him to death a sundown. poor jessie, he should feel like you know what. you people act like this is the first black to run for president. correction he is the first bi-racial person to run for president. the media can say it anything about race.. any and everytime the media call a state for obama because of the majority of african americans, what is that, isn't it the same thing. Go to hell with all that race stuff when the minute a person of color came into the race it became about race from the start. obama is not a united, he is a divider. i will never, do you hear me, ever vote for him. he will never, ever be my president. the media needs to learn some respect while they sit in judgement of other people like mis b. waters. she want the world to think she is so self rightous and all the time she has skeletons while sitting up bashing othhers when they have crises in their lives. or have slept around. what skeletons do wolf blitzers and all the other holes have in their closets that they can sit on tv and say the things about people that they do?and the african americans needs to get themselves together. say what you want about the republican party, but i bet you won't find them turning on each other or jumping ship. if mccain had an opponent, they would be doing the same thing. HILLARY ALL THE WAY!
Every poll for the past several months has shown on a state by state basis, especially the large/big states, Hillary wins them over McCain, just like she won them in the primaries.
The 4 key states are Ohio, Florida, Kentucky and West Viginia. Had Kerry or Gore won any of those states, either of them would be President today. Both lost all 4. Hillary has won all 4, 3 with big margins and leads again in state polls over McCain. Obama did not campaign in Kentucky or West Vir. Florida has no love for him considering the Obama camp has worked overtime to keep the Florida votes from being accepted or delegates being seated. And currently in Ohio, Hillary leads McCain by 9 and McCain leads Obama past the margin of error
Hillary Clinton is a stronger-tougher and ready to duke it out with the GOP-Karl Rove swift boat wing nuts. She can win in November!!!
I never understood why the democratic party supported the super delegate system. Super-delegates aren't answerable to the people, they aren't elected - they get votes based on how "close" they are with the democratic party, and how rich they are. In short, the super-delegate system is a form of elitism, and I think that both Hillary and Obama should reject super-delegates.
Korolev thats a good point, the superdelegate system is a form of elitism. But if you get rid of it and give both Florida and Michigan the votes you will see Clinton win the nomination.
The funny thing this election process has shown me as a young person is that the Democratic party is the elitist, rich Party and and the Republican party is more down to Earth.
Look at the way Democrats have turned on the poorer, white members of our party and called them all sorts of nasty names. Its disgraceful, and I'm not even white.
why didn't you provide a link to womencount? we know why. Because as you wrote, "The drumbeat grows louder for Hillary Clinton..."
So many women are REALLY ANGRY and guess what? WE represent the majority of voters! So watch out DNC...if you do the wrong thing now, there will be another republican in the White House. Because women will not stand for Hillary NOT being the nominee and we will boycott or write-in until we are HEARD!
OBAMA does not stand a chance of winning the election without us!
Just think about it; rules are made by the people who are in power; for the benefit of those who are in power. No ruling body has ever intentionally created a rule or law that would serve to undo its hold on power.
I've been through the mill of Affirmative Action and the Liberalism of the 70s. The ultimate result was that it was easier to get into a school, position, etc., as a black man than it was as a white woman. In trying to "even the playing field" the only field that got straightened-out was the one that benefitted men. Women were still on the short end. They still are.
Hillary Clinton shouldn't get out of the racel, she's got half of the available votes. I call that a "split" if ever there was one. That's an awful lot of clout, in my book. The folks in power (the media?) want us to believe that Hillary should exit because her glass is "half-empty" but Obama's is "half-full". Leave out the word-play and pundit polling and you have just plain old "half". Well, if both players have reasonably equal shares, no one is the clear victor,;so the process has to continue; and then a major effort needs to be made on the part of BOTH players to achieve a ticket that makes the most of the power and momentum that's been shown to exist within the voting public. I, for on, want this to go to the convention, if i has to. Neither candidate is there, yet. And the voters mutbe heard.
Hillary Clinton has worked to improve the lives of people for her entire professional life. She gets satisfaction out of that. She is a successful two-term Senator from her home state of New York where she has paid attention to all of her constituents and done creative things to help (for example) improve the economic successes of small farmers in Western New York. She has never been a racist and has always worked (with her husband) to bring all Americans up. We could use a president like Hillary Clinton at this time.
She should stay in the race and keep on fighting for the chance to lead this country all the way to the convention. She is ahead in the popular vote because millions of Americans have voted for her and want her to stay in the race. Why should we let the media and others anoint her opponent when the race is so close and has not been decided?
Those of us who were adults when the Clintons were in office for 8 years (and not in grade school) can remember the great improvements the Clintons made for working people, the poor, and seniors. It is unfortunate that so many college aged and slightly older people today, who have been raised in a "computer dominated" world seem to think that life is as easy as setting up a website and clicking a button to create the "world" they want to see. I am reminded of how we saw Princess Diana, as an almost mythical paragon of virtue, simply because she had the gift of looking wonderful on TV. Later the truth came out that she was simply human and had many flaws. I am afraid that the messianic quality of Obama's appeal may be similar. To get another chance at 4 more years of a Clinton presidency, which has been proven in the past to be effective in solving many problems of our country, seems too good to be true. The fact that so many people are rejecting this, based on a glamorous man who is a wonderful speaker (though not debator) is unfortunate. All I can attribute this to is a form of sexism that is unconscious, but deeply pervasive among many men and women. To demand that Senator Clinton withdraw when the race is still so close, demonstrates how strong this sexism is. For those who are critical because of the sex scandal of the 90's, do they ever ask themselves why nothing else could have been used to indict Bill Clinton at the time? After all, the list of unfaithful presidents extends to FDR, JKF, Bush Sr., Eisenhower, and many others. Why were they not forced to be "truthful" in front of Congress? If only people could be less reactionary and more rational. I for one, just want to see our Country improve its treatment of seniors, families and working people. Something Senator Clinton has devoted her long career to.
Hillary Clinton has worked to improve the lives of people for her entire professional life. She gets satisfaction out of that. She is a successful two-term Senator from her home state of New York where she has paid attention to all of her constituents and done creative things to help (for example) improve the economic successes of small farmers in Western New York. She has never been a racist and has always worked (with her husband) to bring all Americans up. We could use a president like Hillary Clinton at this time.
She should stay in the race and keep on fighting for the chance to lead this country all the way to the convention. She is ahead in the popular vote because millions of Americans have voted for her and want her to stay in the race. Why should we let the media and others anoint her opponent when the race is so close and has not been decided?
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