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Bin Laden will be killed, McCain promises

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor June 19, 2008 06:35 PM

Republican John McCain vowed today that if he's president, Osama bin Laden will be either killed in combat or executed -- a stern response to Democrat Barack Obama suggesting Wednesday that he would put the terrorist mastermind in the equivalent of the Nazi war crime trials after World War II to avoid making him a martyr.

"Senator Obama is obviously confused about what the United States Supreme Court decided and what he is calling for," McCain said in a statement issued by his campaign. "After enthusiastically embracing the Supreme Court decision granting habeas in US civilian courts to dangerous terrorist detainees, he is now running away from the consequences of that decision and what it would mean if Osama bin Laden were captured. Senator Obama refuses to clarify whether he believes habeas should be granted to Osama bin Laden, and instead cites the precedent of the Nuremburg war trials. Unfortunately, it is clear Senator Obama does not understand what happened at the Nuremburg trials and what procedures were followed. There was no habeas at Nuremburg and there should be no habeas for Osama bin Laden. Senator Obama cannot have it both ways. In one breath he endorses habeas for terrorists like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and in the next he denies its logical conclusion of habeas for Osama bin Laden. By citing a historical precedent that does not include habeas, he sends a signal of confusion and indecision to our allies and adversaries and the American people.

"Let me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed," McCain continues. "Senator Obama's failure to comprehend the implication of the Supreme Court decision he embraced and the historical precedent of Nuremberg raise serious questions about judgment and experience and whether Senator Obama is ready to assume the awesome responsibilities of commander in chief."

UPDATE: Richard Danzig, a former Secretary of the Navy, who is one of Obama's security advisers, responded: "It is absurd that the same group of people who have failed to kill or capture Osama bin Laden for over six years are now arguing about what we should do if we capture him. Barack Obama will redouble our efforts against al Qaeda, target their leaders wherever we find them, increase our forces in Afghanistan and finish the fight there. In short, he will do what the Bush Administration hasn’t done and John McCain won’t do -- make our top priority bringing bin Laden to justice and shutting down al Qaeda before they attack again. A bad decision that George Bush made and John McCain fully supported -- to divert forces from Afghanistan to Iraq -- left Osama bin Laden free to promote his vicious brand of violence, and empty tough talk can’t reverse that fact or make up for bad judgment.”

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McCain promises? I don't want anymore "McCain promises".

John McCain quotes pre-Iraq War and during Iraq War:

"Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. We may have to take out buildings, but we’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies." [CNN, 9/29/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]

"But I believe, Katie, that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." [NBC, 3/20/03]

"It’s clear that the end is very much in sight." [ABC, 4/9/03]

"There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

"This is a mission accomplished. They know how much influence Saddam Hussein had on the Iraqi people, how much more difficult it made to get their cooperation." [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]

"I’m confident we’re on the right course." [ABC News, 3/7/04]

"I do think that progress is being made in a lot of Iraq. Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course. If I thought we weren’t making progress, I’d be despondent." [The Hill, 12/8/05]

Posted by ApostasyUSA June 19, 08 05:02 PM
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Sounds like McCain is letting his mouth write a check his ass can't cover. "Let me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed,- John McCain". I hate to say this because I'm sure it won't be well received but, a bunch of morons hi-jacked 4 planes full of people and flew them into 3 buildings, and we turned around and gave up American freedom, completely ruined our economy, and engaged in illegal war, and torture. Since McCain has been a party to this and is happy to give away other peoples rights, I think we should suspend his right to trail and put a bullet in his head.

Posted by Eric June 19, 08 05:04 PM
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So, mcCain is nothing short of a clown, now,really... At least yuo're gonna have four more years of the same Bush offered with him. That is good, yuor countrywill be just ashadow of the previous usa and yuoregoihg down down in the next 10 years...

Posted by mika lainema June 19, 08 05:06 PM
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Go get him cowboy. Yes let's get rigth out there and kill another American enemy. Yes I agree he needs to be brought to justice. I also agree that he has committed many aggregious acts. I also agree that if we are going to be the carriers out of that justice, it should be done in accordance with our own laws. St. Augustine said, " An unjust law is no law at all." Will you be the leader who leads us to lawlessness? NOT what I'm looking for in a commander-in-chief.

Posted by Stanley Fitzgerald June 19, 08 05:06 PM
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The fair trial for Osama is termination. He is proud to admit his responsibility for 911. We should be proud to insure his demise

Posted by Carl J. Austin June 19, 08 05:06 PM
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Talk about not understanding the courts decision, McLame is using the term "habeas" out of context. He is making shrub look smerter(sic).

Posted by John Signs June 19, 08 05:06 PM
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How can you promise something like that, Haven't you party been trying to capture him or kill him for years? So really what difference does it make who is sitting in a house in DC. Just another empty promise, your so full of ......

Posted by Ken Spruill June 19, 08 05:06 PM
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Leo, a trial is to determine guilt. If someone admits guilt, and Bin Laden has, then there is no trial, just judgment. Dumbass.

Posted by leo is dumb June 19, 08 05:07 PM
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you're* still a moron

Posted by ronnie June 19, 08 05:08 PM
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Wow, that's great!

I imagine...

"Witness, have you ever personally seen Mr. bin Laden giving any orders to kill people?"

"No, sir, I haven't"

Too bad Mr. bin Laden owes no taxes. I guess we'll have to apologize before him and let go this honest and honorable man. And only hope he won't press charges for the wrongful arrest...

Posted by zubatov June 19, 08 05:10 PM
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Jeez, Senator McCain, that's what Bush 2 said he would do. Instead he went after his daddies nemesis, and Osama is still running around free, seven years later.
From where I sit , I'd say your so called experience didn't help us much when we needed it .
What we need now is somthing more from the next President than a repeat of Bush's goofy promises and mis-efforts. What a mess father and son have made. Don't repeat. Lets put America courts and liberties on display for the whole world to see, that's what a trial would do. Do you honestly fear a trial of Osama Bin Laden?

Posted by Bob June 19, 08 05:10 PM
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Bin Laden does not deserve, nor should he get a trial of any kind. Put a bullet in his head and move on.

Posted by fedworker June 19, 08 05:10 PM
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perhaps if he were an American he would receive the kind of trial guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. since he's not an American, but an enemy combatant, he would be entitled to a military trial of sorts upon capture and then would be executed.

Posted by Chris June 19, 08 05:12 PM
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Looks like again Obama showing his youth and yack of experience. This is a man with great promise but no substance. Learn some more Barack and try again in 8 years. It's not your time. AND McCain may not be right but at least he understands the words and the power they carry. Obama wants to lead a nation in a world he doesn't understand.

Posted by John Jackson June 19, 08 05:13 PM
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Every time McCain opens his mouth, he manages to ingest his own foot. Even Bush was planning on giving the detainees at Guantanamo a trial, eventually - a military trial, and without legal representation, but still...

Anyone else recall how vehemently McCain denounced Bush's approach? What a mistake indefinite incarceration was and how torture was not only counter-productive, but against all that America stands for?

What happened to the McCain who was a man of principle? Today's McCain doesn't believe in trials at all - just war, ambush, assassination, and instant execution.

So much for the rule of law.

Fortunately, any president, even McCain, has to abide by the Constitution or risk impeachment - the Constitution: you know, that document George Bush described as "just a piece of paper."

Yeah. That piece of paper; the one that keeps us free.

The piece of paper all presidents are sworn to "uphold and defend."

Unless you're John McCain and you're irritated.

Posted by Dennis Berry June 19, 08 05:14 PM
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This guy (McCain) just doesn't get it. Sure, kill him and make him a martyr. How stupid. Let him sit in solitary confinement for the rest of his life, that's more a punishment. The more he talks the more he convinces me he hasn't learned anything from our foreign policy debacles.

Posted by paul June 19, 08 05:15 PM
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"Osama will be either killed in combat or executed "
Sounds like a terrorist to me, where do we draw the line these days? Whats the real difference between blowing up a building (and people dying) and slowly torturing people (to death)?

Reminds me of that kid I hated in high school that kicked my ass just because he was the big kid. I saw him the other day sweeping up at Burger King.

We can thank our lucky stars and stripes Bush Jr won't be the next commander in chief.

Posted by Jarsunky June 19, 08 05:16 PM
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DID McCAIN OR OBAMA ASK THE MULTINATIONAL FAMILIES OF THE 2000 + 9/11 MEN, WOMEN & CHILDREN VICTIMS WHAT OSAMA SHOULD GET? WHATEVER THEY SAY, I would think every one else would think is OK!

Posted by Stretch June 19, 08 05:16 PM
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Well, let's see what a fair trial means. Firstly, it means that Osama would be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that what we really believe? Osama is innocent and it is up to a court of law to prove he is guilty. If by some chance, as has happened, there is a mistrial or the trial is dismissed due to some irregularities. Is Osama to be set free? A fine mess some liberals and the Supreme Court got us into with terrorists that no matter how nice we are to them, would chop our heads off without a second thought!

Posted by Faye June 19, 08 05:17 PM
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You go McCain! No doubt you didn't have Habeas corpus when you were a POW. Osama has admitted his guilt. What good would Habeas corpus do him? I agree with and will vote for McCain. He is EXCACTLY the kind of man I want to represent me and lead my nation setting precident for my children.

Besides leo, how fair was 9/11? Did our victims get Habeas corpus? According to Wikipedia - "there are two principles that any definition of democracy is required to have. The first principle is that all members of the society have equal access to power and the second that all members enjoy universally recognised freedoms and liberties."

According to this, OSAMA isn't a member of our society thereby (in my book) not entitled to Equal Access or Recognized freedoms and liberties. Of course, (I'm assuming but who cares) from your response I am sure you are one of those that harps about your "entitlements" all the time. Life isn't fair. Get over it. Quit being the victim and let's all stand up for ourselves and our nation. If the world steps on your toe, break their leg. That would make terrorist and others think twice before messing with us.

Posted by BuckNaked June 19, 08 05:18 PM
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Perhaps MCCain forgets his father's intervention in saving him from execution or hard labor during Vietnam. If he did not have an influential father, he would surely have received a different fate. Striking without pause and thought is why USA finds itself viewed by the world as weak.
Perhaps when MCCain has used up every bullet and every American son or daughter he will finally realize his failure came at to high a cost.
Kill Bin Laden on the battlefield, he wins martyrdom. Execute him without trial the loss of 3000 lives on 9/11 will be dimished to simple revenge. Complete trial with full condemnation, Bin Laden is treated as a failed terrorist making futile attempt at stopping the strongest democracy in the world.

Posted by G.A. Browne June 19, 08 05:18 PM
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Well, let's see what a fair trial means. Firstly, it means that Osama would be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that what we really believe? Osama is innocent and it is up to a court of law to prove he is guilty. If by some chance, as has happened, there is a mistrial or the trial is dismissed due to some irregularities. Is Osama to be set free? A fine mess some liberals and the Supreme Court got us into with terrorists that no matter how nice we are to them, would chop our heads off without a second thought!

Posted by Faye June 19, 08 05:20 PM
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Really?? Is this guy for real? First, what Obama is saying is that there will be a trial. What is wrong with that?! Nothing is wrong with that. McCain is trying to twist this so he can be seen as the tough guy. Let me tell ya, I've had enough of idiot tuff guys. I want rule of law. I want a country that sets an example to the world. And we the people are going to make sure that our country is that country once again. The deal is that trials are public. The deal is that the PUBLIC WILL KNOW ABOUT IT. Unlike this secret prison GITMO crap that I still am shocked that my country (which I LOVE) is involved in. Saying that he will be killed or executed on the battlefied shows a complete lack of understanding on McCain's part. But I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. The guy is so far behind the times that he admits to not being able to use a computer. Do any of us need someone runing a 21st century army that can't even use a computer???!!!

Posted by JustAnotherGuy8 June 19, 08 05:21 PM
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So Leo, you think a mass murdering terrorist should get a fair trial and you can't spell. I'd be careful with the whole moron thing.

Posted by Drumstocks June 19, 08 05:23 PM
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Leo, you have accurately described your position - moronic. Why is it that a liberal can't maintain a reasonable discussion without flying into a flaming rage over someone else's opinion. You are the first one to scream freedom of speech; then you turn on the vitriolic speak to condemn some other thought's you disagree with. For the record, the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials were conducted by a Military Court and were not subject to habeas corpus. War criminals have not, historically, enjoyed the rights and privileges of a U.S. Citizen.

Leo, I suspect you will be the first to scream foul if one of these terrorists is freed on a technicality and attacks you and YOUR family. You will probably get the chance to find out.

Posted by fonzee June 19, 08 05:24 PM
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bin laden deserves a fair trial? are you out of your mind? he forfeited his right to a trial when he started making his tapes after 9/11, tapes in which include his admission of guilt. his sentence stems from his own belief in self sacrifice.
just like the iran comments, obama will retract this statement and say that it is not in the best interest of the citizens of america to put bin laden on trial.

Posted by kristen June 19, 08 05:25 PM
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McCain has my VOTE! He has a 25 year VOTING RECORD. I do not agree with all of the votes he has cast in the Senate, but you know where he stands! And all the media always wants to talk about is a vote, or position someone took years ago. Pres. Lincoln once said something along the line, "I hope people would believe that I am smarter today than I was yesterday." EVERYONE changes their mind based on more information, changing circumstances, or whatever.

Obama on the other hand is just another "Chicago Politician" with a record of voting "Present" - NOT a Yes or No. He has NO fortitude. He is an empty suit and the media helped create the "Obamania." I trust you'll all be "smarter" by NOV.

Posted by Bill B June 19, 08 05:26 PM
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In a stunning reversal of fortune Osama Bin Ladin replied:

"the war is over, America is our bitch & promotes Islam at every opportunity, they've already conceded to killing their own babies & subsidizing foreigners to breed in their own territory, they've bombed & invaded 3 sovereign nations to remove Islam's enemies and are actively funding our cause worldwide with their economic, military & social policies while working as digently as possible to destroy their own nation and culture. Whoever wins the next election will actively be supporing our agenda of funding & protecting Islam while immersing its own ciitzens in debt & immigrants."

Posted by Smitty June 19, 08 05:31 PM
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ummm...bin laden is not a part of this democracy...not entitled to any freedoms that we have, especially since that is exactly why he is trying to kill every last one of us Americans

Posted by Yoop June 19, 08 05:31 PM
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America, take this historic opportunity, show us what you're made of.
Vote Barack Obama into office and the world will once again look to you to lead.

Posted by Michael June 19, 08 05:35 PM
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Somebody in Pakistan got a death sentence today for blasphemy against the Quaran
http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/19/top12.htm

Wake up people. Know who you are dealing with. We can let OJ Simpson get away with murder but not Khalid Sheik Muhammad.

When nations fight (ilke Germany against Allies) they have rules. They may not not follow the rules agains their own people, but they strictly follow the rules against the opponents.

Terrorists have no rules. Dont try to play a fair game with them. You will get blown away. Habeus is an entitlement for people who respect the constituion. You dont give it out for free to people who execute people (Remember Daniel Pearl) without any justification.

Posted by Rambo June 19, 08 05:45 PM
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Barack Obama dont want to kill Bin Laden because he is from the same cloth as the terrorist S.O.B. Obama,Osama whats the difference

Posted by Mark Newton June 19, 08 05:51 PM
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wow...another dumb american citizen that believes that if obama is the president he is going to change the world. the only thing obama will change is his own mind. can he go 2 weeks without flip-flopping on an issue? he is naive and ignorant.
he wants to be president of the United STATES of America but he doesn't even know how many states are in the country. PURE GENIUS.

Posted by kristen June 19, 08 05:58 PM
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Our glorious president McCain will drink the blood of every man, woman and child in that filthy nation of Iraq! John McCain will bomb, bomb iran and leave it so that not even a cockroach could survive in the searing heat of armageddon! We support your war of terror, John McCain!

Posted by Tony June 19, 08 06:18 PM
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Don't you have to be looking for him to kill him?

Posted by Finkle June 19, 08 06:20 PM
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Ok then sounds just like a retard in office now hmm bush

Posted by Trent June 19, 08 06:20 PM
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Yet again McCain proves that he has that "smoke 'em out and gun em down" - John Wayne mentality as shown in the movies.....McCain is nothing but another Bush all over ago.. I guess these guys are suffering from low IQ problems..obviously

Posted by keepyoursanityincheck June 19, 08 06:22 PM
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Yet again McCain proves that he has that "smoke 'em out and gun em down" - John Wayne mentality as shown in the movies.....McCain is nothing but another Bush all over ago.. I guess these guys are suffering from low IQ problems..obviously

Posted by keepyoursanityincheck June 19, 08 06:22 PM
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Oops, McCain used the "confused" word! Is this a veiled reference to Obama's age, criticizing his youth?

Posted by Russelly June 19, 08 06:27 PM
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What so many of you halfwits fail to grasp in the prospect of a trial for Osama is the inherent reality that he is already guilty (re: doomed n' stuff)--the narrative of his explicit guilt to the world is necessary for his brood to be physically as well as psychologically and ideologically dissolved in the way one would throw baking soda on greasefires, McCain is proposing that we idiotically continue throwing water.

Posted by Dr. Moriarty June 19, 08 06:27 PM
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I dont' want to pay for a trial and to imprison Osama Bin Laden. I don't think he deserves it. Maybe throw him in San Quentin with the animals. Give them something to do.

Posted by LM June 19, 08 06:27 PM
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None of you McCain followers seem to get it. There is no doubt that Khalid Sheik Mohammad was involved with the terrorist plot, he even admits to it... but what about all the innocent people who got rounded up and put away. Are they not entitled to rights to prove their innocence? You just threw all of our rights out the window fuck-bags!

Oh yeah, and FUCK YOU Morris!

Posted by your mom June 19, 08 06:30 PM
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You don't put enemy soldiers on trial. You shoot them or they kill you. Pathetic that so many can't understand this.

Posted by Daniel June 19, 08 06:31 PM
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It's getting harder to acknowledge McCain's service to his country. McCain is going to be replaced before the Republican Convention anyway. He keeps playing the fool. This bitter old white guy is voting for Obama.

Posted by ericmiami June 19, 08 06:32 PM
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I'd be able to believe him a lot more if the Republicans had done SOMETHING to actually catch him these past 8 years. What, exactly, are they waiting for?

Oh, right, the Republicans just started an unrelated war to distract us from the fact that they're completely ineffective in terms of finding him. My guess is that McCain will do that with Iran rather than actually go after Bin Laden, because OBL doesn't have any oil...

Posted by Joe June 19, 08 06:33 PM
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No matter gavel, gun or rope, the guy who goes in has to deal with the congress.
Their approval ratings are lower than the President. They are elected by the people. So the question is ... who are the morons? But then of course, it depends on what is is? RIght?

Posted by ken June 19, 08 06:34 PM
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McCain is the one that can't quite figure out what the legal term "Habeus Corpus" actually means. It has nothing to do with the constitutional right to a fair "juried" trial. It allows those who are illegally incarcerated held to challenge their detention. So many americans are so stupid.

Posted by France June 19, 08 06:35 PM
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barack in not superman obanucos fanaticosssssss
VOTO HISPANO CON MCcain 08
arriba MCcainnnn CARAJOOO

Posted by isnotaPCisaMAC June 19, 08 06:35 PM
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All I want to say is it's amazing how many of the persons supporting McCain have such similiar, red-neck style names; Bob, Bobby, "John Johnson", etc.

Seriously, you're all hilarious and give me nothing but a laugh. Way to go for standing up for McCain by commenting in an article online. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Go out and do something productive with your time, hence I am making fun of the rest of you and not supporting either one either way. This is what happens with 10 minutes of work left and being bored...

Posted by Sye June 19, 08 06:36 PM
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Obama's point in saying bin Laden would be brought to justice was to keep him from becoming a martyr - something that would make him more of a hero in the Arab world than he is now. It makes sense. You do not want to give this dispicable human being such a reward. You deprive him of that by dragging him through the justice system and making him live the remainder of his life in prison. Death is the easy way out and allows him hero status.
McCain is the one who does not understand the ways of the middle east AT ALL.

Posted by Desiree June 19, 08 06:37 PM
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One can not kill a person that is already dead. Put together all the bits and pieces of information and you will arrive at the conclusion that OBL and AAZ are dead. If John "Baghdad Bob" McCaion wants to dig OBL up, it may be very difficult to assemble all the pieces but I am sure that McCain would do that so he could kill OBL again.

Posted by ghostcommander June 19, 08 06:39 PM
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Poster #2 is an absolute idiot to imply that being a POW does not make you a hero since "he didn't save anyone's life". The man was tortured for five straight years after volunteering to fight for this country. Read his book about what he and thousands other went through then make a judgement about whether you could even last a day in those kind of conditions.

Posted by Kurt June 19, 08 06:40 PM
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McCain was a maverick before he found out the the conservatives don't like him and won't give hime any money. Now he is leaning far to the right to please the republican base. He doesn't have a mind of his own. He must realize that the independent voters are the ones that elect presidents-they are the difference makers.

Posted by Bob June 19, 08 06:40 PM
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4100 U.S. servicemen DEAD and 33,000 seriously wounded in the Iraq war that criminals Bush and McCain authorised and supported. 4100 DEAD!!! I repeat 4100 DEAD!!!! McSame is one of the same criminals as Bush. He and Bush KILLED those 4100 U.S. servicemen and maimed the other 33,000 of them. McSame belongs in JAIL not in the white house!

Posted by Larry Vandemeer June 19, 08 06:41 PM
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Swagger and bragger for seven years has brought us what? Many dead and our country's image in ruins. And that's not enough for Capt. McCain. Heaven help us because more of this macho will not. May common sense, courage, and reason prevail in Washington.

Posted by Eugene June 19, 08 06:41 PM
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Bin Laden is not a criminal. Criminals want to kill people, or families, sometimes serial killers want to kill dozens. Bin Laden is a supercriminal. We don't even have a word for what he is. He wants to wipe out whole cities. If he could, he would kill a million people, then laugh about it, congratulate himself, then go pray and thank God, believing himself a religious person. His thinking and his actions are incredibly dangerous. He and his ilk are not the most dangerous people in the world. They are the most dangerous people *in the history of the world.* They have utterly broken the social contract. We do not have names for who they are, we do not have social structures to deal with who they are. I agree with McCain, and I'm a lawyer: Kill him, in any way possible, right now, no habeas corpus. Too risky to do anything else.

Posted by brent June 19, 08 06:42 PM
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Thanks for your straight talk, John. When I first heard what John's opponent said, I thought of those who aid and abet the enemy. While I am sure John's opponent has his reasons for being so appeasing, I would have hoped he might reflect on the tragedy of 9/11 and visit the sites of killing. Then again, I doubt it will do much good for John's opponent..

Posted by benvictor June 19, 08 06:43 PM
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Wake upAmerica, Obama could be at any point from a sleeper muslim terrorist mole to a sincere, idealistic and most importanly Inexperienced potential world's leader.
Who Is Obama? The question won't go away. Does Obama even knw?

McCain IS a known, patrotic, no guessing what's on his mind, agree or not.

Is Obama worth the risk?

My vote is NO! I prefer a proven patriot, our next President's immediate and future problems will be to defend and protect America, by the Gace of God, it will be McCain.

Posted by Ted June 19, 08 06:43 PM
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WOW, Now that's amazing! Let's spend more money so Bin Ladin can have a fair trial. Then let's spend even more money keeping him in prison for the rest of his life. NO THANKS! I vote for a bullet to his head. We will be fair by not torturing him to death.

Actually McCain could have been released 2 years earlier because of his fathers and grandfathers influence but he refused special treatment.

How many of you McCain haters would have turned your back on your fellow comrades and come home early?

Posted by Wes June 19, 08 06:44 PM
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For those of you that are screaming democracy and fair trial.

Get a life. I commend Mr. McCain for being so blunt and honest. At least we know where he stands on the issue.

People wake up and smeel the coffee. Obama is nothing more the a wolf in sheeps clothing. I hope he wins so everyone of you morons get burned. If you believe is is so great I have some beach front property I can sell you in downtown New York. Or maybe I can offer it to Obama for half price and then he will award me some Government Contracts that make up for the other half. Seems he like making deals like that.

What amazes me is that everyone blames Republicans and Bush for this bullshit. Well it was a Democrate President Befor him and it is a Democrate ran Congress. So who is really at fault. Bush can't make a move without thier approval. And they have the power to change it all. But what you don't see is them sitting on there asses while thier wallets get fat letting Bush take all the blame.

That my opinion which I have a Right to.

Posted by Eric June 19, 08 06:44 PM
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Let's give Osama what he wants. He wants to be a martyr, let's kill him. I don't think we shold spend America's hard earned tax dollars on a trial. We have not had a terrorist attack since 9/11, thanks to Bush, and especially thanks to our brave military. I am going to be very nervous with obama in office getting on his knees for Iran, N Korea, and Venezuala.

Posted by Jason June 19, 08 06:44 PM
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All criminals have the RIGHT to a Fair Trial.......

Saddam Hussein got one.....and then was executed

Timothy McVeigh got one......and was executed

Habeus Corpus is in place to deliver Justice, not malice.......i believe that Osama Bin Laden should be executed, but only after a trial and scentencing.....not before

If we give in to hate and fear, then we are acting as terrorists.......Serving justice and upholding the law and what is right is hard......acting out of spite and hate to cause violence is easy.....

Obama 08

Posted by Oregon4Obama June 19, 08 06:48 PM
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Iv'e read all of the comments so far. I am a retried Air Force SMSgt and have a lovely wife who is a retired Air Force MSgt. She dodged one of those lovely scuds in her "hotel" in Saudi and still carries evidence of it.

We are sitting on the fence for this election because we feel extreme hatred towards those who attacked our country and want them eliminated. We also want our brothers and sisters in the military brought home or moved to Afghanistan/Pakistan to track down and eliminate our primary threat, and get the heck out of Iraq. We see danger in voting for either candidate. Anyone else feel the same?

Thank you

Posted by Drew June 19, 08 06:49 PM
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Does this idiot think he can fool us into thinking that habeas corpus automatically frees all prisoners? Why would we think that Osama Bin Laden would escape a trial because of habeas corpus? The US government would need to show that it has credible evidence against him. If they don't, then they've made humungous fools of all of us for the last 7 years. Is this what McCain is worried about, that we will discover there is no credible evidence against Bin Laden? Otherwise, he's whistling past the dark.

Posted by david in brazil June 19, 08 06:49 PM
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Hey, Left wing loonies, I thought we went to iraq for the oil?

Posted by Jason June 19, 08 06:53 PM
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I LOVE the first comment here! "What about a fair trial?" What a FOOL!

Posted by jon June 19, 08 06:54 PM
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I love these liberals. What about a fair trial? You mean like the one 3000 + Americans got when they were throwing themselves out of the Trade Centers or as they were trapped and burning in their offices? Who side are you people on?

Posted by Get Real June 19, 08 06:54 PM
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I think it comes down to either pampering Osama Bin Laden and giving him your wife if either he is caught guilty or caught guilty. Or actually making him pay dearly with the death penalty for murdering thousands of people. Trust I! I never want to have anything to do with kissing the ass of who knows what murderer or thousands of people, and less be known for putting myself down to such a person. It feels like a sin, like Obama bin Laden... woops excuse I... Osama bin laden deserves congratulations.

Posted by Amado Castaneda June 19, 08 06:55 PM
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There both idiots and the two party system is a joke.

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Posted by Neil Bramini June 19, 08 06:55 PM
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"It is absurd that the same group of people who have failed to kill or capture Osama bin Laden for over six years are now arguing about what we should do if we capture him."

Richard Danzig or should i call him Dick. He says that the same group of people have failed to capture or kill Osama. well Dick is talking about the the republicans of course but really the Military is trying to do their job but democrats like Dick and Obama are trying to stop the war. I think that Dick is talking in away that he should be. Its starting to sound like dick and his friends don't care about the united states military but only care about themselves and all are trying to get a Democratic leader in to power that doesn't have the slightest idea what is going on or he just never explains what he thinks. All he says is he wants change. What would he change,how would he change it, first thing he could change is start thinking for himself and explain himself more. Also i want to know his entire story, I know mccain's he is a war hero because he chose to stay in the prison camp. But Obama does he have a record in the service, no he doesn't. he is a very young and intelligent man but he is not ready to be president yet. another 4 years when he is over 50 and he understands how to explain himself more.
Thanks for listening

Posted by James Twist June 19, 08 06:57 PM
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You democrat lefists are nothing but cowardly traitors, who never met a communist or terrorist with whom you couldn't sympathize. You directly caused defeat in Vietnam and sold millions into communist slavery, and have done everything humanly possible to cause defeat in Iraq. You haven't been right about any foreign policy issue in 50 years and you are wrong about the war on terror as well. Mass murder for political reasons is not a police issue. McCain is right. Kill them all and let Allah sort them out!

Posted by Robert June 19, 08 06:57 PM
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elect obama, welcome the enemy, elect mccain, welcome the same.
seal the borders,that a start.
i say we start over.

Posted by sickofit June 19, 08 06:58 PM
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Glad to see Americans can have a political discussion without insulting each other...

Bin Laden should be brought to trial to show the details of his actions and to prove that the United States (despite what many here have said) is not a nation of murdering savages. We can then put him to death if that is the consensus.

We are suppossed to lead by example. This is not the land of "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"

Posted by Zack June 19, 08 06:59 PM
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Obama is a smooth talker nothing more. If he is elected president I will probably move to Canada.

I for one like and respect McCain. He's always shot from the hip and he isn't apologetic I would rather have that in the office then some snot nose who only knows the word "change".

Posted by Maule June 19, 08 06:59 PM
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Step back a little... look at the world over the last 200 years.... look at the middle east.... look at what the west has wrought there over all these years....?

Did we enter those countries peaceably, to share, to enjoy, to prosper together?

No, the west has been terrorizing the middle-east for centuries. For them, what they are doing is an eye for an eye... and we went and poked their eyes first.

We were the first terrorists, you could say.... or you could say that man has always been terrorizing other men.... and this is what needs to be seen and stopped.

Posted by Stu June 19, 08 07:00 PM
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Obama is a communicator and will solve the Iraq, Iran, Palestinian, North Korea and Afghan problems with diplomacy. Diplomacy: a powerful and inexpensive and bloodless tool McCain and George II don't comprehend.

Posted by Robert June 19, 08 07:00 PM
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John is a hero...he is a war hero. Any man or woman who faces enemy fire for his/her country is without question a hero in my book.

and how about when he had to jump out of his burning F-4 on the flight deck? and seconds later a bomb detonates? that's one lucky hero sunofagun.

and how about being IMPRISONED in a foreign country for YEARS. Years after the war was over...still being tortured and mistreated.... that, my igno-moronic non-friend is why John is a war hero.

I have to laugh when ignorant people talk down on others (comment #2)...otherwise I'd feel the need to punch a face or two.

Posted by bounce June 19, 08 07:02 PM
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You Americans better get your acts together because many people around the world hate you guys and will do things to hurt or damage your country. The only language terrorists and rogue nations understand and respect is force and I mean real and overwhelming force backed up by political will to take out whoever might do harm to America. Showing signs of weaknesses will only strengthen the will and resolve of your enemies. You can argue over democracy and legal rights but rest assured, your enemies only laugh and don't care about what you think. They only think to destroy you because it is what they passionately believe in as preached by their faith. Withdrawal should not be an option, that would be appeasement and defeat. God Bless America.

Posted by Peter June 19, 08 07:04 PM
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You ever heard the one about "your chickens before they're hatched"? Well, you are not supposed to count them. Argue about what to do with Bin Laden when you've caught him. Otherwise, it's just so much political misdirection. If you don't think that McCain is the same as Bush, then ask yourself why he is suddenly running on the 9/11 platform. Bin Laden's people have not been able to mount a major terrorist attack in over six years (Spain). Now they make videos. Yes, we should look for him and try to bring him to justice. But, no, we shouldn't allow ourselves to be distracted from more pressing problems by McCain's jingoism.

Posted by Pam Blitt June 19, 08 07:04 PM
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Obama has to be the weakest presidential candidate I have ever seen. God help us all if he is president. it will be the beginning of the end of U.S. as we know it.
A president who agrees with granting foreign terrorist the same rights that U.S. citizens have is just crazy.

Posted by Bob Rambo June 19, 08 07:06 PM
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Habeus is for people to challenge their detention in some way. It does not grant them all the rights of US citizens in US courts. Second, under the US Constitution, the Congress can suspend habeus. Third, Obama does not want to grant terrorists all the rights of US citizens, he endorses military commissions when appropriate. The problem with the current administration is that they've mangled the military commissions as badly as they've mangled everything else they've put their hands on. Even in military commissions there are rules, and that is why NOT ONE DETAINEE at gitmo has been put on trial. The Republicans are a complete joke.

Posted by mike June 19, 08 07:06 PM
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One cowboy nearing the end of his reign, while another wants in via the same tough talking rhetoric.

Posted by Randy in Dallas June 19, 08 07:07 PM
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Wow. After reading some of the comments here, I think someone might want to edit the title of the publication. Then again, maybe 'political intelligence' is bound to be a self-contradicting term. That the majority of the previous commentators fail to see the relevant truths beneath and interlaced in both sides' arguments is telling, if not surprising. If we're honest, these comments speak to the current tendencies toward the extremely polarized thinking that, if we're not careful, may well become known as the defining characteristic of contemporary American thought.

The truth is, this is just noise. Entertaining, perhaps, but noise.

Posted by TW June 19, 08 07:09 PM
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Does McCain realize Bin Laden is smoking hash in a cave and not sitting in a command center paneled in LCD screens and radar displays, plotting his next move? McCain is simply out of touch.

Americans are plotting our own demise by failing to recognize that our place in the world has been debt-financed and oil-buoyed for the last 30 years. As opposed to McCain's hateful statements and negativity, at least Obama offers a glimmer of Hope and a positive message. My generation (twenty-somethings) is tired of hearing the same old bullsh!t drumbeat from Washington and corporate America. We're taking our country back.

Posted by andrew June 19, 08 07:12 PM
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First of all, i am an independent, so I am suspicious of both candidates. I must have to say, though, that McCain is just stroking your goat. He can't promise to get Bin Laden any more than Bush, who also promised. We know how that turned out.

Posted by Kell June 19, 08 07:13 PM
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I find the quality of these comments low grade to say the least- I am in favor of McCain by the way, not Obama -

Posted by Clarkson Andreas Potter June 19, 08 07:14 PM
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O.K. The first post on here mentions trials are the basis of democracy is a non-sequiter. By this reasoning, Osama should be allowed to vote for a U.S. president. Or at least his innocent relatives should be able to vote. Can they vote? No! Should they be able to vote? No! Is voting the basis of democracy? Yes! Is denying Osama a trial or even habeus corpus undermining democracy? No!

Posted by Jonathan Long June 19, 08 07:28 PM
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Although many comments seem to lack coherence grammatically and syntactically I cannot find fault in the persons who make them. That would be to easy. What's more difficult is finding fault in myself, because I have let Bush's twisted administration continue to backtrack us to when we ruled with an iron fist. Hence, manifest destiny, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Iran-Contra, Vietnam, etc. We as one human collective need a revolution of the heart, mind, body, and spirit. Not the devaluation of one's presence on Earth. Dehumanization is the enemy that lives within us all. In order to overcome the enemy from within first we must understand that there are parts of ourselves that we must also do battle with. This battle is much closer then any terrorist's act thus far, because the battle is with us all and is in our heart, body, mind, and spirit. Noam Chomsky puts it best with an ultra simple philosophy (in fact its so simple most people will simply cast it aside, because its so true, and true knowledge upsets everyone), "There is a simple way to stop terrorism, stop participating in it." Please ponder that one America, and imagine world peace.

Posted by Daniel June 19, 08 07:30 PM
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Well things didnt get accomplished when Bush was in office ...Oh Bin is still here !!! and I truly believe McSame wont do much of anything as well he's soooo far left in how to handle these terrorist if he kill Bin Laden he becomes a hero amongst all muslim organizations.... they will be inspired... taking terrorism to a much higher level and with the lack of repect in other countries we would be sitting ducks America has never been prepared for this kind of war they've been fighting for hundreds of years they wont quit we fight for honor they fight for their GOD theres a big difference and though you think our troops are getting things done they arent they are kicking our ass and deep down inside You know this!!! but pride is a motherf@#&! remember us Americans like to do things in the masses and gas wont be the only thing we be paying a high price for if by any chance bio-chemical warfare should ever surface so i believe talking with these leaders is very important ,keep your enemy close,conquer and devide them so in time things can be once again in our favor build a better relationship with the UN its time for negotiation not war and thats why OBAMA has my VOTE!!! you can say what you want he has what it takes to make change...and my fellow Americans CHANGE IS A MUST!!!! GOD Bless AMERICA!!!!!!

Posted by Emmett June 19, 08 07:48 PM
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What has made our country great is our rule of LAW. McCain clearly does not believe that our justice system would find Bin Laden guilty. We have a constitution and rule of law. The day we find reasons to abandon that is the day we might as well burn the flag, constitution and everything else that is American.

Rambo - your statement is not only ignorant, its retarded. Based on your example, anyone who murders an innocent person in this country as an American is not get Habeus Corpus?? You fool... go back to school.

Mark Newton - Are you 12? Or are you just some windbag that could not graduate the 1st grade and gets your facts from the back page of a tabloid?

So many people on here clearly showing the failures of the public education system. New law... if you can't graduate 9th grade, you don't get a voice in America. Scary that you fools vote.

Posted by Rob June 19, 08 07:48 PM
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Our leaders won't say it, but Iraq was invaded as a throwing down of the gauntlet to the radical Sunni world after 9-11. Mess with us and we will shift the balance of power in the Middle East towards your worst enemies, the Shia. As it stands now, the US is the only thing standing between Iran and total dominance of that region, so most Iraqi Sunni are now embracing the US presence there as their best friend. The war is a success because it was a deliberate death trap for Al Qaeda militants from Saudi Arabia, Europe, and elsewhere. Yes, thousands of our servicemen and women were killed there, but tens of thousands of potential terrorists travelled there and were eliminated. One can say Iraq had no direct role in 9-11, but it was the perfect place to hit the anti-US world in the gut, and reap maximum effect.

Posted by Shammy30 June 19, 08 08:31 PM
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I have a comment for post #108.Why dont you go ahead and vote for Obama and then he will probably make it legal for Muslims to fly planes into buildings and kill innocent people whose only crime was that they went to work.

Posted by mark Newton June 19, 08 08:45 PM
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Reading many of these comments are disturbing, but not surprise. The utterness of much nonesense has and will alway happen when people allow their bias to rule them. Everyone no matter if they are US citizens or are not, and no matter the crimes they have committed once they under US juristriction deserve the full rights under US law. Doing otherwise, undermined the US judicial system. This is all part of a legal system that has evloved over hundred of years. None of this excuses anyone from crimes they have or may have committed. It never have or never will excuse them.

Posted by anthony June 19, 08 09:01 PM
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Habeas corpus only requires the state to charge someone that is imprisoned. It is fundamental to a free society. If we catch Bin Laden we have to take him to court and carry out the sentence of that court. This will most likely be a death sentence. Those of you arguing against this make me sad. People like myself have fought to ensure that you get these rights. Who do you think you are?

Posted by sad army vet June 19, 08 09:38 PM
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What a crock! McCain and his wide stance should go stall hopping with Larry Craig. Bush Junior! "I crashed a bunch of planes so I should be the President of the United States" Riiiigghhhhhtttt!

Posted by D Miner June 19, 08 11:04 PM
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The real enemy of America is not OSAMA. It isn't OBAMA either, although it's a close call. The real enemy of America, and the one that will surely be the demise of Democracy as we know is it the Press. All American should recognize their incredible influence over our way of life and the manupulation of our citizens to follow these radical leftists who are surely after destruction of our country. Some day when America wakes up, it will be too late.

Posted by George June 19, 08 11:12 PM
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Entry #6: "YOUR still a moron? ...it's no, Leo YOU'RE still a coward and a moron

Thank God for idiots like Leo here We can see what cowardice looks like in color moreover make sure we all vote for J McCain"
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#6, valid correction. Now, I'll correct YOUR entry! Looks ike YOU can take a few classes in punctuation! :)

Thank God for idiots like Leo here. We can see what cowardice looks like in color; moverover, make sure we all vote for J. McCain.

Vote for John McCain? Are you out of your mind?? McCain seems to have a real problem what he says from one day to another. He has flipflopped so many times, I really do not know where he stands on real issues. First he is for something and then he is not; then he isn't for something and then he is. Isn't that called, "talking through both sides of your mouth? Guess it all depends on what he thinks his audience of the moment wants to hear. Plus, I believe his mental abilities are becoming a bit rusty due to his elderly age. John McCain is entrenched in yesteryear's policies and politics, he is NOT capable of bringing change. Notice how he, too, is using "change" in his campaign??? Yep, stole it from Senator Obama!! However, john is not about change, he is the same old same old.

I personally prefer the candidate with the clear mind, good judgement, superb leadership and managerial skills. Just look at his campaign and fundraising==best ever in U.S. history)!! I want true change for a better America and we can help make that happen with Senator Obama at our helm!

Posted by Ninak June 20, 08 02:43 AM
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mcCain is just like bush. if you will elect him americas economy will fall and a ww3 may begin. fuck war policy!!!

Posted by moe September 13, 08 02:35 PM
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YES, A FAIR TRIAL IS NEEDED OSAMA BIN LADEN IS NEEDED. Serial killers have fair trial why osama bin laden would not?????? Even with those thousands conspiracy theories, being talked about.

Posted by ewr October 29, 08 12:22 PM
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I fink dat osama will kill mccain before he does

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