Caroline Kennedy helping Obama pick VP
Caroline Kennedy and former Clinton administration official Eric Holder are joining Democratic insider Jim Johnson to lead the vetting of possible running mates for Democrat Barack Obama, the Associated Press is reporting.
Kennedy, the only surviving child of President John F. Kennedy, joined her uncle, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, for a high-profile endorsement in January. She also wrote an op-ed in the New York Times comparing Obama to her father.
Johnson is the former CEO of Fannie Mae who also oversaw the vice presidential vetting for Senator John F. Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984. Holder was deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration and has been a senior legal adviser to Obama's campaign.
Said Obama spokesman Bill Burton: "Senator Obama is pleased to have three talented and dedicated individuals managing this rigorous process."
While Hillary Clinton is the front and center as a possible pick, other names are in the mix, including several senators and governors.



Isn't that sweet. Caroline, who has never had anything to do with any of this is trying to save a renegade from imploding. Hopefully, Hillary will merely suspend her campaign for now. Otherwise, we Democrats are screwed because the other shoe is about to fall on Obama. Hide and watch his candidacy go up in smoke. [W]rightfully so too, I must add. Here's one girl who won't forget!!! Bye, bye, Democratic Party. No way and no how will I ever vote for Obama! I am a woman standing proud for Hillary only, now and forever and we don't want her on BO's ticket. He is dangerous!
Anyone but Clinton... please God. Anyone else.
Hillary Clinton should be last on the list . . . Barack Obama does not need her to win in November. There are several better qualified, more honorable candidates than HRC, he should not have to look too far to find the right person for #2.
Aren't the Kennedy's part of the PAST? Isn't that another DYNASTY? You mock the Clintons but we're constantly reminded of the Kennedy years...I think the Clinton years we're a hellofalot better.
It's laughable that Ted Kennedy stands up for the air of CHANGE and yet when facing death, he wants his wife to continue his Senate work...keep it in the family. You may think many of Hillary's people are less educated, working people but then again, many of us are the people that have made CHANGE happen... We are the future, woman's power... it may be subdued but not dead. Those of you who look to the past for a wanna be Jack Kennedy, get over it...let him be his own man...he's already suffering from being CHANGED. Those who follow are watching the machine change yet another nominee. Thank Hillary for teaching him along the road.
Mary O'Bryan, dear sweet Mary O'Bryan. Such blatant ignorance.
Good comment Mary O'Bryan! We can wait for 2012 for Hillary to finally come into her rightful position. In the meantime, John McCain gets my vote!
I'd like to see Caroline give us a list of John Kennedy's accomplishments - they seem to match Barack's in that there are none. Good comparison!
Doesn't matter who he picks. He's too much like Jimmy Carter to get elected. Once again the liberal elite picked an unelectable candidate.When will they learn?
Mary.....you are insane.....just think about how ignorant and stupid you sound. For the most part both of their policies are the same, so how you could explain not voting for Obama once Hillary is out is beyond me. I think you need some help.
let me give my opinion i would think clinton be the choose because a lot of people wont go to the pole to vote she more popular had more people vote for her then obama if you dont the republidcan woud win hand down
People.
Let's save the invective for George W. McCain.
If Senator Clinton thinks she can force her way on to the ticket by behaving the way that she is, I hope the Obama people tell her no. She ought to go back and watch what Al Gore had to say after the Supreme Court decision in December 2000. Either that or look up the word gracious in the dictionary.
In response for not voting for Obama... as a party that is the worst thing we could do.....Not vote at all just because our candidate might not be in the race. Disapointment is one thing, but if you let it carry you were we as a collective may suffer (like we have for 8 years) then that is selfish. And Hillary would not want that.. have you not been listening. I truly hope you change your mind.
Amen to him being dangerous!! We know nothing about him. What a travesty Hillary lost and it was because of the democratic rules. Obama and Clinton should have been rewarded all delegates on the states they won instead of splitting them pretty much. Clinton would have been the clear winner if we had the rules like the republicans. But anyway since Obama did win he should pick Joe Biden, someone with some fire and experience.
Talk about imploding, (as Mary O'Bryan mentions) how about Hillary's campaign. Couldn't manage her campaign finances, couldn't maintain her lead, cried when the pressure got a little tough. You can keep her, as most of us don't want her on his ticket (most recent polls have 60% who don't want her with Obama). She says pretty much whatever she thinks will help her cause: example talking about how much she's done for the blue collar people. Just ask the people of Buffalo how little she's done for them as their Senator. And in her speech last night, she touts how broken health care is, but then says how she's been working on it for 16 years...not exactly a very productive 16 years, now, was it?
If Hillary wants to be considered for the VP slot, she must first do the right thing by conceding the race to Obama. With all these pressures coming from her key supporters for Obama to pick HRC as VP candidate makes me wonder what her motives are.
First Hillary smears Obama throughout the campaign as not ready to be president and now she wants to be his VP? What a joke?
Wow Mary O'Bryan, people like YOU are dangerous, not Obama. Thank God Hillary is out (too bad she doesn't know)...PLEASE DON'T PICK HILLARY AS VP OBAMA!!! She has sacrificed all her former beliefs, and her pandering makes me nauseous. Here's to hope and a brighter future!
If Obama offends you that much, then do as you please. Stay home. Vote for McCain. Throw your vote away on a thir-party candidate with no shot of winning. Write Hillary's name in. I keep hearing about how badly we need the psychotic misandric wing of the party and we need to "make nice" with them. I don't see it. The people who babble incoherently like Mary O'Bryan about tinfoil theories do not make up the majority of Clinton supporters.
President Obama. Get used to saying it. It may even be on your money some day soon. All the Code Pink operatives can get on the bus or get left behind. There's enough of us to do this, with or without you.
I'll switch parties and vote republican if it means keeping obama out of office.
Great to see so much optimism here. We're off to a great start! With this kind of unity, McCain should have smooth sailing.
Seems to me that Mary O'Bryan is more concerned about electing a woman that electing the best candidate.
anyone who says they will vote for hillary and not for Obama is playing politics and failing to understand that voting for candidate is more than putting a symbolic face at the forefront of our country. Picking a candidate is deciding on a political philosophy and endorsing a WIDE variety of policies, beliefs, and ideas. If one can flip flop so easily from a democratic candidate to a republican candidate than I doubt they ever had a real clue as to why they supported the Dem. in the first place.
Women who support Hillary just because she is a woman and then abandon the Democratic nominee are just as bad as moderates who refuse to support Obama because he is Black. Look past the candidate and at the issues: if you support Hillary and what she stands for you support Obama over McCain. Get a clue.
If Obama were to pick Clinton, I would question his judgment.
She is vengeful, coniving, self-serving, duplicitous, delusional, uncooperative and incompetent.
Wow, Rodney (Can't we all just get along?) King sure has a lot on the electorate. Those on the losing side of the Democratic race are so bitter, they're claiming they'd rather be vindictive than elect someone who sides with them on the issues. If that's the case, what is this all about? Don't sell this country (further) down the river just because you feel dissed. Hillary turned off a lot of people with what appears to be (or is, depending on your perspective) her narcissism. She claims to care most about the country, but her actions say "me, me, me." Now a lot of her supporters seem to be saying the same thing. Get your anger off your chest and then think about what you're doing.
Now now everybody as Deval say's " Together we can" which by the way I'm still not sure what he means?
Let's all just get along and look at the positive in all of this, take a moment everybody and think about it. Have you all taken that moment? Good cause if it's anything like my moment relocation to Tasmania is looking pretty good right now.
Haha, you people are idiots. Saying Barack Obama is too liberal to be elected, but Hillary Clinton is not is a joke. Hillary Clinton refuses to work with Republicans. Barack Obama at least gets the entire story from both sides before coming up with a platform.
First, Armando, you fit the protypical uneducated, uninformed Clinton voter, especially the incorrectly spelled words throughout your comment. And people who are going to vote McCain because Hillary isn't on the ticket should be ashamed. Here you are complaing that Obama isn't electable, and a democrat won't be in office next year, and you switch your vote to McCain, ridiculous. School yard antics. I can't wait for Obama to unite this country like JFK tried to do before he was killed, I can finally feel pround to be an American. And all those female Hillary supporters, go cook me some meatloaf.
I don't know about anyone else, but I am gonna have a hard time picking between two Irish candidates!
O'bama versus McCain!
:)
Clinton ran a tough campaign and she came close, but she lost. Anyone who says she would vote for McCain because Hillary did not get the nomination was supporting her for the wrong reasons. Fact is, her positions on issues and Obama's have been pretty similar -- certainly much different than McCain's. That is why anyone who supported Hillary in the primaries should vote for Obama in November.
A year in which the Dems are going to sweep up everywhere, we pick the most the most unelectable nominee since G McGovern.
Remember, this guy was a member of a racist/hate organization for TWENTY YEARS. What if Hillary or McCain were a member of the KKK for 20 YEARS? Would they get such a pass from the media? NEVER!
His own background of racism gives him ZERO chance with the blue collar white voter. His base is latte liberals and blacks. Period.
The Repubs are going to produce some devastating ads starring Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, Otis, Rezko, Michelle, Trinity members cheering on the hate, et al -- the entire corrupt anti American South Side political machine.
Stay in Hillary!!!
I recall that George W. Bush's VP "vetter" was none other than Dick Cheney. So if Obama follows this path then his vetter, Caroline, will be his own choice for VP. Imagine the excitement of an Obama/Kennedy ticket. Camelot II.
Obama seems to have trouble with , dare I say, white women? This absolutely amazes me, as their programs are essentially identical in all major respects. I am sure some HRC supporters feel jaded because she will not be the nominee, and probably not the VP choice. It seems to me that policy should trump personality at this point, and its time for unity among Democrats. Would you rather have McCain?? Come on, people, lets make sense here. I haven't seen Obama, or his supporters, reacting in this 'my candidate only', way during the campaign, and I don't think I've discussed this issue with any Obama supporter who would NOT vote for HRC were she the nominee. This does sort of lead one to wonder if the HRC only demo's are really demo's? How about HRC for Sec. of State!
I am shocked and dismayed by some of the comments on this list. If your sole reason for voting for Hiliary over Barack was that she was a women that is very distrurbing. On the issues, the two are so close to each other and champions of similar causes and issues that it would make sense that you would vote for Barack, as opposed to McCain. McCain does not stand for anything that Hilliary stood for. The difference between Barack and Hilliary is not on the issues but the means to acheive issues. Barack is not entrenched in the lobbyist, scratch each others backs politics, and corporate backing that have plaugued the political and governmental landscape for too long in this country. Clinton is still part of that politcal landscape. True change can not come from the status quo. Anyone who believes in true change of how things get done, how the world views us, how our goverment treats its citizens, refroms in education, healthcare and other social refroms must support Obama. To support McCain, you would betray all of those ideals and issues, and Hilliary.
Paula and Mary...let me get this straight...your only goal is to see a woman in the White House, even if that means screwing over the country in the process?? Listen to what you're saying!! It's nothing short of idiotic! Wait until 2012 or 2016 to mount your feminist campaign again...for now it's over...you lost...you put up a good fight but now it's time to actually focus on the future of this country!
But if you insist on being stupid, go ahead and vote for McCain...and say goodbye to your reproductive rights!!
I'm a huge Obama supporter but I would've had no problem voting for Hillary had she won...becuase I know that there are more important things at stake than personal candidate preferences.
Cheer up Mary O'Bryan. I am a 66 year old white "girl" who is energized by the thought of Barack Obama as president of the United States. I spent four years with the Peace Corps during a time (the mid sixties) when real change was in the air. Your post sounds more like sour grapes than anything. If you think that John McCain is the answer to what ails us now, by all means jump on his band wagon quickly.
As for me I want a new beginning.
Ol' Mary O'bryan
Just say three Our Fathers, hree Hail Marys and three Glory Be s and take a long nap then wake up to reality, you are talking like it was 1958!
To the Clinton supporters who say they will vote for John McCain, I think you should read these excerpts from her speech last night:
You know, I understand that that a lot of people are asking,
What does Hillary want? What does she want?
Well, I want what I have always fought for in this whole campaign. I want to end the war in Iraq.
That's why I want universal health care. It is wrong — that Americans pay 50 percent more for health care than the people of any other wealthy nation, with costs doubling this decade, and nearly 50 million people without any health insurance at all.
I want an economy that works for all families. That's why I've been fighting to create millions of new jobs in clean energy and rebuilding our infrastructure, jobs to come to all of our states, and urban and rural areas, and suburban communities and small towns.
And I want to restore America's leadership in the world. I want us to be led once again by the power of our values, to have a foreign policy that is both strong and smart, to join with our allies and confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to global terrorism and global warming.
*******
Now ask yourself who is more likely to work to address her concerns. John McCain or Barack Obama?
What in the world is Caroline Kennedy's accomplishments. We see in the article the other two members of the search party and their credentials but with Caroline she is just the Daughter of JFK. Woopeee!! How about getting Patty Davis and Amy Carter and we'll have a Party !!!! Wait Caroline is there to represent me the middle class because she understands my plight, hmm she was born with a Silver Spoon in her mouth, raised with a Silver Spoon in her mouth and HAS NO CLUE how 99.9% of Americans live.
Republicans - 4 the Rich, Democrats - 4 the Other Rich. No Difference
Shame on you Paula M Rhinehart-Elsner for even mentioning John F. Kennedy in the same breath as Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Also shame on you for casting a shadow on his presidency right after Ted Kennedy's brain tumor.
How can you be so ignorant by talking trash about a President who was publicly assassinated while in office and did not get a chance to serve his 4 or potentially 8 years in office. JFK is not only a WWII hero unlike the last two draft-dodger Presidents (Clinton and Bush) but JFK saved our ass from nuclear war in 1962 by blockading Cuba. In a short 1000 days, he also established the Peace Corps and put our space program on the map. Go back to school Paula.
Give me a break....if you voted for Hillary because of her policies -- and not merely because she is a woman -- then your head should explode from the cognitive dissonance when you claim you'll vote for McSame or not at all if Obama is the nominee.
Grow up, children. Whining when you don't get your way is for the schoolyard. I'll be the first to admit the differences between Obama and Hillary on policy are largely semantic. But if that's the case, Obama is a great second choice as I felt Hillary would be if Obama had not clinched the nomination.
For the good of the country, think twice about this moronic immaturity. You've got five more months to pull your heads out of you-know-where.
People Obama should clearly not have HRC as his VP. It is stupid and obsurd. Hillary has not only tried to smear his reputation but is also know trying to ge on the ticket. If you ask me I think she just wants to be back in the white house. John Edwards is who I think Obama should go with. Hillary through out has tried to say that Obama is wrong but is know trying to say that he is completely right? Iit just does not make sense Obama should pick the person that believes in what he stands for not the person that ( probably wouldn't ) may help him win.
I know in Mass we like our Dem's as far left as possible, but thats not what the country wants kids... Hillary is much coser to the center than Obama is. He is the most extreme left wing canadite I have seen in my lifetime. he will not get elected - he has no chance. I planned on going McCain all along, and I was pulling for Obama because I know Hillary had a much better shot a beating McCain.
I don't understand how Clinton supporters could vote for McCain.
Do they not care about having a pro-choice candidate for president? Do they not care who the new Supreme Court justices will be? Do they not care that he opposed an equal pay vote for women? (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1392352)
John Wilcon, you said it all and said it well. Lets get rid of the hatred and stand behind the political philosphy you support because that is what it really comes down to, 4 more years of status quo or maybe a change.
Generally such vindictive tripe is saved for fans of American Idol. Come on people - get it together, don't not vote for Obama because HRC did not make the cut. Because if that is what you do, the entire political process has been reduced to a popularity contest - wah, wah, my candidate didn't win.
This is serious business, not some damnable reality show.
That idiotic liberal elite phrase applied to Obama is nothing but The Past. Good Lord, even if it were true, which it is NOT, how could it be any worse than what the right wing has done to this country? You are all paying $4 a gallon for gas because of the deregulation of finance, telecommunications, you name it. Over 25% of the $4 we pay goes to Wall St. Is THAT the liberal elite? No, it's your conservative Republicans, and that's the truth if you can handle that. And that's not even mentioning lying us into the Iraq War and its horrors.
The biggest holder of heating oil in New England? Merrill Lynch and people like that. They are hoarding it to artificially drive up the price to make money. THAT'S what your right wing is doing. You think they care about you as Americans? Don't make me laugh. Instead they throw phrases out like "values" and "liberal elite" and you people lap it up.
So wake up and toss that Liberal Elite crap out the window because the reason the country is going down the tubes is because of the Republicans and their greedy dissembling of regulations that EVERY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY HAS. Wake up. Read some history books. Or if that's too difficult or causes your narrow minded ideological feathers to be ruffled, then sit on the couch on your fat fannies and watch C-Span once in a while instead of American Idol.
And don't get me started about the Ted Kennedy haters. You might hate him but he's spent decades making sure you're life is better whether you hate him or not, and you don't even know about any of it.
If Clinton were the VP, she may help in getting Obama to become president, but after that she is useless. I would prefer she stay in a position of direct involvement, either in a cabinet position or as an influential senator. If she wants her policies to be strongly considered, she would do best to be in a position where she can make that happen. As a Veep, she can only advise and break a tie in the senate...unless she envisions herself as a Cheney-type-almost-president-vice president.
For the life of me I cannot figure out why soooo many people think (believe) that Hillary is entitled to be the democratic nominee or Obama's VP for that matter. The same things can be said about her as can be said about him. What is her experience . . . hosting Tea Parties in the Rose Garden is not enough. Neither of them have the experience on the world stage that the republican nominee has, that is a given. What makes Barack Obama a better candidate is his vision and leadership, not his experience. Experience comes with age, but even the most experienced person does not always make the right decision. A real leader makes good decisions despite all the trash talk from the naysayers and the pundits. By the same token good decisions come from good people with good value systems, Barack Obama has the qualities needed to lead, inspire, and motivate people to make the right decisions. A real leader knows their strengths and plays to them, but the best leaders are the ones who do not let their ego get in the way of making sound decisions. Hillary has not shown any of the qualities it takes to make good decisions, she is too full of herself and her entitlement mentaility to think that someone else (man or woman) could be as good or better a candidate than she is.
Hey Paula, good call saying JFK had no accomplishments. Oh, wait. YOu're forgetting one little thing called the Cuban Missile Crisis, its kind of why we are all still alive today...
Mary O'Bryan should be pitied. she sounds like someone with personal grudge but without reason. Mary look at developmment, not sentiments.
So I have to ask, "Mary O'Bryan" ,et al.:
What exactly about Hillary did you believe in? Because you won't find it in any of McCain's policies (and the genotype doesn't exactly work out, either). How sad that you would sell out a nation and its' children in order to nurse your wounded pride.
So I have to ask, "Mary O'Bryan" ,et al.:
What exactly about Hillary did you believe in? Because you won't find it in any of McCain's policies (and the genotype doesn't exactly work out, either). How sad that you would sell out a nation and its' children in order to nurse your wounded pride.
Ezra,
you could add... she is self-serving, opportunistic, ready to change her position to suit the poilitical winds of the day. Oh, and I (and friend sof mine) have concerns about her tendency toward unbridled militarism. I think we've laready had eight years too much of that. I think it's a toss up as to whether Hillary or McCain would get us into the next war sooner.
Some comments from an Independent voter.....Many months ago I was ready t was ready to vote for Barak Obama. While I am a registered Independent I lean a little toward the more conservative side especially when it comes to issues of crime and punishment. That being said, I liked the freshness that Obama brought to politics. I actually likened him to Robert Kennedy, who I still think would have been a truly great President.
Then came the Reverend Wright fiasco. That bothered me a lot. But what really bothered me is that Obama did not denounce that nutcase from the get go. And by trying to tiptoe around the issue he looked weak. In fact, I began to wonder if there were many of Reverend Whacko's ideas that Obama actually agreed with. I just can't vote for a man that stayed a member of Reverend Wright's church for 20 years and then failed to denounce his hate speech.
At least John McCain is a moderate and not an ultra conservative.
Obama will not win the White House, based on his record in the Primaries. You can see from the Clinton supporters here & around the nation that they have a lot of concerns about Obama's lack of experience & his history with his church, & I think this will carry over into the executive office were he to win. I will not vote for him myself as a male white professional. No one would hire me to work in my profession without real experience, & I have no intentions of voting for him to hold the most important position in the world at such a critical time for our nation & the world & especially our economy. We've seen enough of a lack of experience over the past 7+ years, as well as what a pathetic idealogue can do to ruin our nation's standing around the Globe & furthermore how badly he has damaged the middle class in those years. The only saving grace is that the Democratic party will have a veto proof majority in both houses of Congress come January 2009, So let McCain win & be powerless for the next 4 years & I'll wait & hope that Hillary runs again in 2012. If Hillary is not on the ticket this fall, as either the Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate then I will not vote for a President. At least I won't be ignorant enough to vote for McCain, as some people are suggesting out of spite.
A message to Senator Clinton:
Gracefully concede
Respect the process that chose Sen. Obama
Act like an adult not a spoiled child
Congratulate Senator Obama
Invite all your supporters to vote for the Democratic candidate in November
Open your mind and your heart
Unite behind Senator Obama
Stop whining!
I am confident a competent VP candidate will be chosen. Victory in November!
SAB Arizona
There is no way I'm ever voting for Obama. He has already proven he's completely inexperienced for the job at hand by the solutions he's discussed. Change?? New Beginning??Yes, let's go back to the high taxed, bloated government of the past...and those who think the price of oil will drop to realistic levels once we exit the war don't understand supply and demand. My vote goes to the person who already has shown he doesn't always side with his party..regardless of the issue...how many times has Obama reached out and agreed with Republicans as much as McCain has with Democrats? My vote goes to McCain!!
wow, nothing better than listening to a bunch of dumb liberal infighting. on the one side you wanted HRC because she's a female. on the other, BO because he's black. polarizing corrupt empty suit in HRC. inexperienced smoke and mirrors spewing BO. I cant wait to read these boards after we elect President John McCain in Nov.
President McCain. Get used to it.
No disrespect meant, but other than her maiden name, what Qualifies Caroline Nee Kennedy to be invoved with a search for Vice President? The USA was created to do away with dynastys and royalty. Still, as long as it isn't Hillary...
Is this Obamas way of "kissing a ring"? I thought he wanted out with the old, in with the new? How about walking like you talk????
I think she'll never be happy being V.P.
She still hasn't even conceded for Gods sake to help the Democratic party and Obama himself get on with it. If I was Obama I'd pick anyone BUT Hillary Clinton. She will not make a good V.P , and only give him problems. PASS on Hillary
Hillary is a horrible person. Plain and simple.
Caroline Kennedy, like the rest of the Obama campaign, is classy, intelligent, inspiring.
Ah yes..all the Dems are imploding against each other. I'm an Independent but I couldn't be happier. Just remember kids....you elected Deval because "Together We Can" - what the heck he's done is still a mystery. Barack will live the same fate-lots of words and no results.
Armando and Mary are the democratic party LOL. You folks are funny...Good luck in November you'll need it. God Bless America!
I have no confidence that obama will be able to implement any of the change he is preaching...nor do i believe he is tough enough to stand up to good ol' partisan politics. He tends to come off as whining when he is attacked.
I would consider obama if Clinton shares the ticket... if not I would rather suffer 4 years McCain...and hope for a better candidate in 2012..maybe by then the childish primary rules will have been changed to winner take all... and do away with the caucuses that only allow privileged or fanatical voices to be heard
Maybe Hillary is not going to concede because she will be the third party candidate. She obviously does not care about the Democratic Party, because she stayed in the race for so long. She only cares about herself.
How in the world is C. Kennedy qualified to recommend a VP???? This looks like a first step in Obama's attempt to remind everyone that his administration will be very similar to the Carter years........i.e. one run by an intelligent, idealistic, naive, inexperienced politician. Good luck to us all!
It's funny seeing and hearing al lthe femin-nazis crying sexism is why hillbilly lost, yet practice sexism by voting for her only because she is a women. No wonder women keep falling behind, they keep shooting themsleves in the foot with their double standard way of life.
For all you naysayers of Hillary Clinton, you will desrve what you get- a Republican President who will appoint a Pro Life Justice to the Supreme Court
I want to win in November and want the strongest possible ticket
The POPULAR VOTE was a statistical TIE !
HILLARY IS LYING and those repeating her BS are FOOLS.
This is not a MAJORITY WINS country folks - it is a GRAND REPUBLIC.
Popular Vote Total 17,535,458 48.1% 17,493,836 48.0% Obama +41,622 +0.1%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 48.2% 17,717,698 47.8% Obama +151,844 +0.4%
Popular Vote (w/MI) 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +286,687 +0.8%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9% Clinton +176,465 +0.5%
Popular Vote (w/MI
Uncommitted to Obama)** 17,773,626 48.0% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +48,519 +0.1%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 18,107,710 48.1% 18,046,007 47.9% Obama +61,703 +0.2%
NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT HILLARY NEVER EVER EVEN GETS 1% MORE OF THE POPULAR VOTE .... fools. She is NASTY for behaving this way .... think about the people act work who back stab to get ahead ... NO VP OF CLINTON as punishment for BAD ungracious behavior last night!!
To the Mary O'Bryans I would ask why such an anti-fan? Why would you NEVER vote for Obama? I'm waiting for a coherent argument other than the fact that you preferred your candidate. I prefer Obama but if he lost to Hillary, I'd vote for her rather than see 4 more years of fascism. Explain yourself.
Barack Obama is the George McGovern of this century. Both are liberal losers.
Run, Cynthia McKinney, Run--as the first Black Woman Candidate for US President, who opposed the Iraq war from the beginning and voted against it each and every time in her 12 Years as Congresswoman from Atlanta, Georgia, and who submitted a Bill of Impeachment for Bush and Cheney.
http://www.runcynthiarun.org/
I pray Hillary will be our next president. Obama is nothing but a fad... If Obama is the democratic candidate I will vote for McCain.
Mary, Mary, Mary
it is people like you that keep voting for the wrong person, and not voting for the right one. I believe people should have an IQ test before they are allowed to vote.
Picking Clinton would only ensure that the manipulative conniving and scheming we’ve seen from her (and it continues even now) would only continue. Except this time, she (and Bill) would be doing everything to undermine the new President. No thanks. I agree with Dave in Comment #2: “Anyone but Clinton…please God. Anyone else.” I pray that Obama sees the danger here (and I think he does). He doesn’t need her. There are many other qualified candidates, and yes other qualified women, who would be much better picks. Please, Barack, steer clear of Hillary as she is not worth the trouble she and her hubby would bring to you and your presidency. ‘Nuf said.
I'm not at all surprised that Clinton's voters would jump ship and vote Republican it is just an indication of the kind of people Hillary attracts. What I loved most, as a Canadian, was watching the race with the diversity of supporters that backed Obama, watch the clips of those who are seated behind Obama and those behind Hillary. As far as Caroline Kennedy, she is an excellent choice for the job. My goodness she has the dna of a president and political family and that of a lady. Shame on you Mary O'Bryan, you are not a good example for your children, you are either Democrat or Republican be true to your beliefs/convictions. I just hope that the Vancouver newspaper doesn't have to repeat it's headline when Bush won the 2004 Election, "How can ? million Americans be so stupid"
I am a veteran and a sportsman and I volunteered here in Montana for Obama where the vast majority of volunteers were older white women. After 8 disasterous years of the worst presidency in my lifetime-----a tragic war based on lies that wasn't needed and an economy that is in the tank----how any democrat can consider voting for a republican who has voted with Bush 95% of the time is astonishing to me. The administration and John McCain have seen fit to cut taxes for the rich and bail out Bear Stearns while rejecting childrens health care and a new GI Bill for returning veterans. We're gonna stay rebuilding Iraq for another 50 years while our own infrastructure collaspes. Come on folks, we saw how competent this administration was during the Katrina aftermath. Hate-radio smears Obama as a threat and it is sad to see that some people are buying it. Read his book, and get to know his personal history----he is an extremely bright, bi-racial guy who has always worked with others for the good of his community and his country.
I can't believe there are Democrats out there who, because their candidate did not get the nomination, will instead vote a ANOTHER REPUBLICAN into office, once who will tear down this country just as Bush did. I support Obama, but if Hillary got the nomination there is no way I would retaliate and vote for McCain, that's crazy and childish. I would vote for the Democratic nominee.
We are suffering through 8 years of the worst presidency ever folks. McCain wants to continue in his footsteps.
Let's get a democrat in office who cares about the people who live in this country.
I believe that there are some people who, like Mary O'Bryan, are so short-sighted or racist that they will not vote for Senator Obama under any circumstances. For whom they vote, and whether they vote, is their right. In the end, they will see that they are in a vast minority that will not have made a difference. In 1948, a similar thing happened when Strom Thurmond walked the Dixiecrats out of the party and ran as a third party candidate. Despite this, Truman went on to win re-election. In this campaign, the Obama candidacy has brought into the party more than enough new and re-inspired voters to offset any such loss. Let's not worry about those who want to leave. We'll be better of without them.
I wonder how the Mary O'Bryans of the world are going to feel when John McCain makes his first Supreme Court nomination. He has already said that he'll look for a Justice in the mold of Scalia and Alito
I simply cannot understand those Hillary supporters who would support McCain over Obama. I'm a disappointed Hillary supporter, but there's no way in he|| I'd vote for McCain. Honestly, the differences between Hillary and Obama are peanuts compared to the differences between Hillary (or Obama!) and McCain! I'll lick my wounds for a few weeks, and then will proudly support Sen. Obama's candidacy.
It amazes me how great the division is in the democratic race for our president. Are we the people forgetting how badly this nation has fallen down since the current republican regime has taken the reins? Let's review how the Iraq war was incited by GWB wanting revenge because he was incensed that Sadam made inuendos of a threat to his dad who, by the way, started a war (the Gulf war) and abruptly ended it with no decisive closure. To hate on someone because your candidate is out of the running, and then, to blatently state that you would prefer to vote for McCain because your candidate isn't the nominee, is the most immature thought processing ever; shows no growth; and stifles all progress. I hope those Hillary zealots can overcome their shortsightedness and move on to do the right thing to change our nation's standing in the world politics; and also, to increase the American dollar's value.
Hillary's Disgraceful Exit
How Hillary Clinton or any supporter can look themselves in the mirror and say they are acting in the best interest of the party is beyond comprehension. The votes have been cast, the contests have been counted and Barack Obama has won the nomination.
Mark Twain said "A lie can travel half way 'round the world, while the truth is still putting on its pants." The same can be said of the Clinton campaigns continual yarn-spinning about winning the popular vote. Yes, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, just as long as you don't include caucuses. That alternate reality won't be imposed on the rest of us.
Hillary Clinton's disgraceful exit from the nomination process continues a string of bad decisions her campaign has made and this latest example seems indicative of a grotesque sense of entitlement.
I am a life long Democrat. I will be voting for McCain!
Great comment Richter. As for Mary and Jeannie... I, unfortunately, think you are motivated by either racism or ignorance.
I think on the whole JFK was a good (not great) president. But if you are going to credit him for his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis then you have to discount it with his handling of The Bay Of Pigs, which led to the increasing of tensions that created the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Many people have compared BO to JFK including Senator Kennedy and Caroline. He definitely has similar orator skills and visionary leadership. He can not do worse that President Bush.
As for Hillary, I think she showed us last night what she is about. She is all about her. We don’t need more drama from the dysfunctional Clinton family played out on the national stage while we are trying to rid ourselves of Bush policies.
I wanted to like Obama but the 20 year relationship with Wright and Trinity really bother me. It almost seems like he's easily duped or in need of other's approval. I don't think I can vote for him. Caroline Kennedy? What's up with this guy. I beginning to think that he's another Andre Agassi, "Image is Everything" No, I can't vote for him.
Mary O'Bryan--Comments like yours and that of other HRC supporters who cry that w/o HRC, they'll vote for McCain only support the belief that HRC isn't about change at all. If you, Mary, and all the other HRC supporters REALLY believed in change, there's no way you would vote for McCain. Your more pathetic than your candidate--and that's saying a lot....
One cannot be critical of Obama and not be a racist,
One cannot be critical of Hillary and not be a mysogynist,
One cannot be respectful of one's elders and criticize McCain,
And to demean GWB is akin to heckling the participants of the Special Olympics.
All dialog and debate is one by those who are loudest.
1. Okay, so we know nothing about Obama? So, that hasn't been him in public life for the last 20 years, him as a state senator for 8, as a U.S. Senator for 3? Must have some other dude, then.
2. The experience factor. Obama is not Deval. Deval came from the business world, and is trying to run this state like a business. Obama doesn't have the experience that McCain had, but he has experience - moreso than Abraham Lincoln, who is a better comparison than Deval. Lincoln chose the best people for the job to work in his Cabinet, even people that ran against him, because they were the best people for the job. Looking at the people Obama has used as mentors and advisees shows that he will surround himself with the best people.
3. Obama will be so much better at reaching out to Republicans than HRC - there's too much bitterness on both side for her to do that successfully. 2000 McCain would have done well reaching out to Dems, but 2008 McCain is a sellout to the ultra conservative, embracing those hate mongers (SO MUCH worse than Wright) that he once rejected.
4. If he's president, of course taxes will go up for some people. Thank the Republicans for that! Look around you. Look at your streets that aren't repaired, look at the schools that aren't able to educate properly.
5. Obama will be able to repair our damaged relationships across the world. Yeah, it's a real shame he wants to try diplomacy first rather than start WWIII, which with the nukes out there would basically screw the pooch around the world.
6. Personal note - I am a white woman, and shake my head at others who were obsessed with having a woman in office. To say you are now voting for McCain is the height of ignorance. I would say you will deserve what you get, but the rest of will have to suffer like we have the past 8 years.
I voted for Obama before I'm gonna Vote Against him
Yikes! I hope the invectives on this forum, from all sides, are going to die down. I also hope they don't reflect how the majority of Democrats and Independents feel. Personally, I was happy to have either Obama or Hillary for President. But now it's decided and McCain has shown himself to be a craven conservative, changing most of his positions to woo the right wing.
Let's rally behind Obama and his team. I hope Hillary gets a cabinet position; that would be the best choice for both of them in my view.
I feel a little sorry for all of these people who are willing to throw away every principle in which they believe in in order to vote for John McCain and thereby avoid voting for a black man. As we know, Hillary and Obama's policy issues are virtually identical.
They come up with the craziest excuses.
1. Inexperience
Obama has about the the average level of experience of most presidential candidates going back all the way to Washington. I have never heard this argument made so vehemently. Going all the way back to the sixties, I don't believe any white candidate on either side of the aisle has been accused of this. Why Senator Obama? ... refer to the first paragraph
2. He's a racist because of one of Rev Wright's angry sermons
I am not even sure how to respond to this. If he is a racist, then he has done a very good job of camouflaging it over his entire career. Since this goes against every fiber in his body and most of his platform, I can't understand why people would say it...except refer to the first paragraph! Oh... and virutally every paragon of anti racism has endorsed Obama (like ALL of the Kennedy's). So, are they racists too?. Wow, that would be news.
When people refer to Obama as a racist, I believe they are unconsciously referring to themselves.
I am just a little concerned that Obama would seek Caroline Kennedy's advice on who should be his VP. Is this a preview of his cabinet selection process. Caroline is a sweet girl but no polotical advisor, who does he think he is kidding.
Mary O'Brien's comments seem strange. I can understand not supporting a candidate, but "here's one girl who won't forget." Forget what?
I cannot believe that once the race was over Hillary cannot seem to
" GET IT "
As was said in prior comments ...ANYONE but her .
You know I am so sick of hearing the same crap from all these Hillary supporters that they wont vote for Obama or may even vote for McCain. Are you kidding me?!?As many people on the blog have already said, Hillary's and Obama's platforms are not that different. So you're pissed Hillary didnt get the nomination..get over it. I can't believe these hard core democrats would vote for McCain. Do you realize the next president will be appointing probably 2 Supreme court justices. If it is McCain, you can kiss Rove v. Wade goodbye. How about the war? How about the economy? How about the fact that McCain still thinks it is 1950 and we know what women's roles were like back then. Dont you see there is a bigger picture here than your pissyness about Hillary's failure to win the nomination?
When you really think about it, not too many elected presidents had a resume to reflect experience in healthcare, war, econonomics, etc. We have to give candidates a chance by looking at what they have to offer and whether or not they have workable plans to achieve their goals. With this said, I say we should vote for the candidate which best suit what we as American citizens are looking for in a leader. I am a Democrat. I believe in Obama's ideas and plans to implement these ideas. The American citizens should not make decisions based upon personal grudges, sex or race of a candidate. We ultimately want what is best for our country as a whole. We need to regain the respect that America had within and outside of our country. I want to be proud to be an American and not be ashame of what my country stands for. UNITE people and be fair and not stupid!
There is no room for H. Clinton on this ticket. No way, no how.
I really hope he doesn't pick Hillary as his VP. He needs to have his own identity and a VP candidate to compliment his Presidency. He certainly doesn't need someone that might actual steal the spotlight from him. She would get more attention than he would, along with the VP spouse (Bill himself). They just have too much popularity associated with them, that they media would potentially show more interest in the VP family than the First family. It would be like McCain picking Brad Pitt for his running mate (I know he's not a Republican but just go along with me on this). How would be interested in McCain.
Nothing against Hillary but I think it's a bad move for Obama to pick her as a VP. Unless he wants to be the first President to be sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom, he needs to find someone less attractive (and I don't mean physically) to the media. I can't imaging anyone wanting to be President of the United States of America, who would not want the spotlight on them.
Good luck in finding the right VP.
If Hillary's last name were Smith she would not even be a Senator. She stood on her husband's shoulders and cashed in on his name. Notice that she dropped the Rodham moniker that she used to use.
She counts 8 years as Arkansas first lady and 8 years as US first lady as "experience". I guess that Laura Bush should run. She has the same "experience"
Hillary only cares about Hillary and people are beginning to see through her spoiled brat behavior since her rejection by the American in favor of an unknown black man with a funny name.
Let's get real here -Hillary did not get the nod so now is she going to try to force the candidate of choice to put her on as VP? It should clearly be his choice and he continues to take the high road. Hillary is slipping in my image -but let's not forget the prize here ---we do not want to learn to say President McCain, do we?
The Clintons are and always have been ego-maniacs, they merely mean to serve themselves, nothing to do with you or me or these United States of America. Let's throw them out for once and for all, now!
Hillary stepping down graciously will heal the party? O'Bama picking her for his VP will heal the party? I don't think so! The party appears to me to be terminally divided.
Judging by the vitriole and personal attacks in the 86 posts above mine (Mary O'Bryan, how does it feel to be whipping boy for mass frustration/disappointment?), we seem much more interested in pointing fingers and drawing lines in the sand than rising up to stem the inevitable Republican tide.
We've had 8 years to figure this out, kids. Eight years! We should be cakewalking into the White House in 2008. Instead, we played right into the Republicans' hands, shot our chances in the foot, and now are entering the general election totally hobbled when we should be high and mighty.
The candidates didn't do this. The Democratic Party and a flawed primary process did it. But the fact is, it's done.
This time we won't even need the help of Karl Rove, dangling chads or Swiftboaters. We've f'd ourselves -- again. If anyone thinks the vast Republican Smear Machine isn't out there right now, revving up to steamroll over O'Bama, you are deluded.
Meanwhile, here we sit, still infighting about the character flaws of Hillary Clinton -- who by every poll I read, WAS "electable" against McCain.
Who was it who said, "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it."? As a lifelong Democrat, I'm beginning to feel uncomfortably like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day."
Obama has my vote. And one VP who doesn't is Hilary ... she should just quit now to help us all.
I like both Obama and Clinton, and either would make better decisions than either Bush or McCain, but I am afraid Hillary carries too much of the Clinton Baggage.
I am fed up with all you Obama supporters. One write in said it would be poor judgement to pick Hillary as VP. What about Rev. Wright, what about a Black Panther that is a friend of his, what about the shady dealings in Chicago. Wake up. He is not the Messiah you think he is. If that is not poor judgement what is? Barack is a con artist, and those of you that support him are ridiculous in your support of him. It really is a shame when we had someone that would lead this country out of the crises that it is in, that the country is going to shoot in the ass for a third time. I will vote for Mc Cain, and I have never voted for a Republican Presidential candidate before, but to vote for Obama ... he is not patriotic, and he would not truly care for the people he represents.
Wow, just reading these comments it seems like everybody has tasted the kool-aid of stupid logic.
When you vote, what do you vote for ... the personality of the individual or the policies they'll push. Hasn't anyone learned? George W. Bush was elected because WAY TOO MANY MORONS were swayed by his personality.
Learn from that incredibly stupid national mistake. Vote on policies and issues. If you do, there is no way Hilary Clinton supporters can vote for John McCain .. here, today in Boston, I'd like to see the first steps towards USING GROWN UP LOGIC!
I didn't like Hilary Clinton when she started her campaign but that was out of ignorance...I've listened to her through many debates now and have a much higher regard than my initial opinions formed out of ignorance. Although I still support Obama, I would have supported Hilary were she the winner.
If you were a Hilary supporter and say you'll vote for McCain over Obama, then SHAME ON YOU for your illogical negation of the votes of grown up thinkers!
Wow, Clinton people are bitter.
Bill - The Code Pink operatives aren't all for Hillary (if any at all). These ladies are smarter than average naive uneducated American. They actually have the intellectual fortitude and are able to figure out Hillary is always sticking her finger into the political wind and will attack anyone who gets in her way.
Go Obama... Time will heal the damage the Clinton's and their cronies have done.. (wow never thought I would say that about someone other than the Bushies)
While I would enjoy seeing Hillary as VP so Bill would have to entertain the wives of visiting diplomats, the reality is that she would make a lousy VP. She longs to be on center stage and would try to push Barack to the rear (or just throw him under the bus) every chance she got. I would much rather see him pick a new voice instead of choosing someone who refuses to read the writing on the wall.
Hillary needs to have some dignity and move on, and I mean move on into something else. This is not about gender, or race. PEOPLE WANT CHANGE! that's all.
I agree with one of the commentators on national television, if Obama picks Hillary, he better get a food taster! I believe every waking moment of his presidency would be a living hell with Hillary and Bill scheming against him. Anybody but her!!!
Calm down children - can you ever think of a president that was good, really good for the country. All past presidents got good and bad depending on who you speak to .... pretty much just like the rest of you.
Obamas speech last night sounds very fake cover with smoke you can hardly see him inside that speech.Mccain is sincere and understand reality and where the country should be heading real change not just a spoken word.
Where are you Ronald Reagan when we need you?
Man...you guys are IDIOTS!!! Get a life!
What... Paula Abdul wasn't available?
Empty suit meet empty suit.
Mary (!st comment is corect. ) . hillary lost because of sexism. and the kennedy's didnt support hillary because they COULD NOT STAND THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER DYNASTY compared to theirs in national politics. JFK and BO have one thing in common : smooth talkers with no experience. JFK got us the bay of pigs. BO will laugh his way into history, charming this ignorant nation with just words.
God help us.
Why does he need a search party? Just pick Caroline and get on with the show!!! She has more money than anyone and can help him. But then again, she may want a better job. Or maybe she will move permanently to Martha's Vineyard and run for her uncle's job!! Maybe they will pick a rich Arab American and bring the gas prices down!!
"He has already said that he'll look for a Justice in the mold of Scalia and Alito"...
God help us if Roe v Wade is overturned..Women like Hilary will have to start practicing responsibility or keep their legs closed. Hell it might be time to stop using the wastebasket for birth control !!
"But if you insist on being stupid, go ahead and vote for McCain...and say goodbye to your reproductive rights!!"
"Reproductive rights??? Alex put down the crack pipe and listen to yourself.