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Clinton to formally endorse Obama

Posted by Scott Helman, Political Reporter June 4, 2008 08:57 PM

By Scott Helman, Globe Staff

Senator Hillary Clinton plans to formally endorse Barack Obama on Saturday at a Washington event with her supporters and call on Democrats to unite behind their presumptive presidential nominee.

But her initial reluctance to back Obama and the continuing mystery over how exactly she will end her historic campaign had party faithful asking today: What is she waiting for, and what does she want?

Clinton has thanked her campaign staff for their work and discussed potential exit strategies with top advisers and supporters, who say she is resigned to not being the nominee. She has praised Obama for running a strong race. And she has vouched for his support for Israel before a leading pro-Israel lobbying group.

But the New York senator had yet to publicly acknowledge that Obama beat her for the nomination, leaving some of his supporters — and even some of hers — perplexed and disappointed.

Clinton could have been ‘‘far more generous’’ to Obama in conceding victory in her speech Tuesday night, US Representative Charles Rangel of New York, one of Clinton’s strongest backers, said on MSNBC today.

Other Clinton supporters said she recognized that the race was over, but simply needed breathing room before making a definitive statement, which apparently will come Saturday. ‘‘Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington, DC to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity,’’ her campaign said in a statement issued tonight. ‘‘This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend.’’

‘‘She’s absolutely committed to making sure the Democrats win in November,’’ said US Representative James McGovern of Worcester, a member of Clinton’s inner circle. ‘‘She will do nothing that undermines that.’’

McGovern cited the intensity of Clinton’s support, particularly among women, and said that she had to think through the most effective way of getting her loyalists behind Obama in the fall. ‘‘Going out [Tuesday] night and simply saying it was over would not have resulted in the unity that we all wanted,’’ McGovern said.

Despite the uncertainty, Obama’s campaign today moved ahead with its general election campaign against presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, making plans to tour Virginia, North Carolina, and other potential battleground states, expressing a willingness to hold joint campaign events with the Arizona senator, and announcing a committee to vet possible vice presidential candidates. The team will be led by Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, the daughter of John F. Kennedy; former Clinton administration official Eric Holder; and Jim Johnson, a former CEO of Fannie Mae who has performed a similar task for past Democratic nominees.

To many Clinton supporters, Obama’s best choice is obvious: Clinton, and, with her at least tacit approval, some of her most ardent backers have been ratcheting up pressure on Obama’s team to put her on the ticket — even though it is not entirely clear how eager either of them is for that outcome.

Long-time Clinton adviser Lanny Davis announced plans for a website and petition drive to pressure Obama into picking Clinton. Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, wrote a letter to the Congressional Black Caucus asking the group to urge Obama to do the same. Clinton, Johnson said, knew of his efforts.

‘‘I have been in touch with her all the way in my thinking about how we can move this country in a unified way, and she’s prepared to be a part of that unity,’’ he told CNN today.

‘‘We have the best chance of winning with Senator Obama at the top of the ticket, Senator Clinton as his vice president,’’ Johnson added.

But some Obama supporters are adamant about her not being on the ticket.

‘‘We don’t want her as vice president,’’ Judith Shilling, a 68-year-old retiree from the University of Minnesota, offered without prompting as she waited Tuesday to get into Obama’s victory rally in St. Paul.

Former president Jimmy Carter, who endorsed Obama Tuesday, told The Guardian, a British newspaper, that selecting Clinton would be ‘‘the worst mistake that could be made,’’ pointing to polls showing that many voters hold unfavorable opinions of her.

Some analysts say that the public appeals by Clinton’s associates could box Obama in and risk angering her millions of supporters if he chooses someone else.

‘‘The more they talk about it, the more reporting there is that she’s actively interested in joining the ticket, the more it’s a problem if and when he rejects her,’’ said Stuart Rothenberg, who publishes the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report. ‘‘That would look like a real snub.’’

Rothenberg noted, however, that there have been instances where political calculation, more than anything else, led to fierce primary rivals ending up side-by-side on a ticket. In 1960, Kennedy picked Lyndon Johnson, then a powerful leader in the Senate; in 1980, Ronald Reagan selected George H.W. Bush after Bush famously dismissed what he called Reagan’s ‘‘voodoo economics.’’

110 comments so far...
  1. This is what happened,the Party leaders manipulate the Primaries in order for Obama to win and sacrifice the wrong lamb but for what reason and why is beyond me.Let me straighten this up Hilliary Clinton is not her husband we are not voting because of her name "NO" we are voting because of her experiences and if this nation really need a CHANGE why elect another man/male instead of a woman/female because that is what we called CHANGE from a male President to a female President.So what the Democrat Partys point of helping women and now they crucified the only woman in the Party race for the nomination?.I see now that the CHANGE song Obama is singing is just another remade of the old version called MALE DOMINATED OVER FEMALE.Way to go Democrats nothing new you hate women.

    Posted by skmj June 4, 08 02:29 PM
  1. This is what happened,the Party leaders manipulate the Primaries in order for Obama to win and sacrifice the wrong lamb but for what reason and why is beyond me.Let me straighten this up Hilliary Clinton is not her husband we are not voting because of her name "NO" we are voting because of her experiences and if this nation really need a CHANGE why elect another man/male instead of a woman/female because that is what we called CHANGE from a male President to a female President.So what the Democrat Partys point of helping women and now they crucified the only woman in the Party race for the nomination?.I see now that the CHANGE song Obama is singing is just another remade of the old version called MALE DOMINATED OVER FEMALE.Way to go Democrats nothing new you hate women.

    Posted by skmj June 4, 08 02:31 PM
  1. I'm sorry that's a ridiculous comment. The party elders did not steal this election, Hillary ran a HORRIBLE campaign. She predicted this would be over on 2/5. There was no one who took this from her. She had a HORRIBLE campaign advisor, who thought that the rules were "winner take all" and not proportional delegation seating. There was no male dominates female context to this campaign, Hillary would be against you for saying that. Hillary was competitive based on her own merits. Having said that, If she would have run a better campaign, today would have been a completely different story for her. Don't blame the party, the elders, or anyone else. Blame Hillary's campaign and her advisor for the incredibly HORRIBLE method of running a campaign.

    Posted by Chris June 4, 08 02:49 PM
  1. With Hillary comes Bill. No, thanks. I hope he picks another woman for VP.

    Posted by JennyforObama08 June 4, 08 02:50 PM
  1. To skmj: So, what's the next logical step? Do women stay with the batterer (Democatic Party) or walk across the aisle to the Republican side?

    Lousy choices.

    As for Clinton being the VP, I wonder if she has the enthusiasm for it.

    Posted by Milo, MA June 4, 08 02:56 PM
  1. skmj, yours is a tired and bitter voice on this board....

    The reason you can't figure out why the DNC manipulated the primaries to give the nomination to Obama is because that's not what happened. This election was Hillary's to lose, and she did just that, in spectacular fashion. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at her.

    Pride cameth before the fall.

    Posted by SJB June 4, 08 02:59 PM
  1. Hillary Clinton has never dealt realistically with the Bill Clinton issue. Having him as a third wheel on the ticket would be terrible. Bill has shown he just can't stay out of the picture--it's not in his nature.

    There are so many other people out there for veep that would be much better, and who woud represent real change in Washington.

    Posted by Beth in VA June 4, 08 03:45 PM
  1. Outspent at every turn, vilified unfairly by the MSM daily, stabbed in the back by Dem elites, she has -- by any reasonable metric, won this nomination. Popular votes, electoral math, big states, swing states. This belongs to her.

    While the mere fact of that is not enough to satisfy me, I will continue to shout it out. Hillary Clinton stood up and reached out the American people. She actually showed up prepared, every day. She knew the specifics of each state she visited and exhibited true caring and compassion.

    This lady wants to roll up her sleeves and help get this country on the right track again. And she actually has a clue how to do it. Gee, why would we want to nominate her? She only won the most votes.

    Hillary Clinton 17,785,009
    Barack Obama 17,479,990

    -ABC News

    Hillary on to Denver, you won, make them give it to you

    B.L.

    Posted by B.L. June 4, 08 04:49 PM
  1. The heck to the party leaders did steal the election for thier own peronal gains.Ignored the will of the people and never stood by Hillary in Sexism and unfair treatment by the new media.NOOBAMA in NOV. I change my vote from Hillary to MCCAIN.Then MAYBE the DNC will rememeber to give us back our votes.

    Posted by Pat June 4, 08 04:53 PM
  1. I witnessed in Colorado (caucuses) and Texas(caucuses and primary) the Obamabots manipulating the outcome. You think that your BO is clean well think again. His 'machine' was at every level, especially at the caucuses. So naive you that believe he ran a fair race. Soooooo naive.

    Posted by shootnstraight June 4, 08 04:58 PM
  1. Hillary may not have run the best campaign this go around but she is still the best candidate for the Presidency. Obama has perfected guerilla warfare and his tactics are not pretty. It's the country that will suffer as a consequence of Obama being the nominee. He's just not qualified and his longtime associations with unsavory characters will be his undoing. He has nothing to fall back on except pretty but empty speeches. Ultimately, Obama wants the Presidency for himself and maybe his family - he only does lip service to public service. Obama is an egomaniac that will lead the country down the rabbit hole. I sincerely hope that Hillary will not be the VP – he will use her to win and then marginalize her. Hillary will have more independence and influence in the Senate. In 4 years, she will run again and beat her opponents.

    Posted by alee21 June 4, 08 05:02 PM
  1. Does the media have poor memory, is it sexist or just plain stupid?

    At the beginning of the campaign, people were worried that Obama would win the popular vote but Hillary would win by super delegates and they were claiming that she would destroy the party by "stealing" the nomination. But now that the situation is the reverse, no one comments that Obama is unduly stealing the nomination by winning by super delegates, not the popular vote?

    Posted by Frances Sladek June 4, 08 05:10 PM
  1. Look, nearly all of us (Clinton supporters) understand that she screwed-up badly early on in this campaign and made some big blunders re: this race.

    But, for heaven's sake: she regrouped, led by a new campaign manager, matched Obama very closely in $$ via Internet donors, and executed large margin victories in big states. She ran the table from March thru May and won one of the two final primaries yesterday - in SPITE OF the fact that Barack Obama is the presumptive nominee. What's wrong with this picture, when Barack Obama can't close the deal in BOTH of the last primaries, as the presumptive nominee?

    There is far too much Hillary hatred being spewed - and I would venture to say that most of this is by Republicans/Independents who are fueled by nothing more than hatred of Hillary Clinton and hatred of Democratic principles.

    None of this hatred now being vented by Obama "supporters" is helping the Democrats! None of it. NONE. You who are doing this - if you really support Barack Obama - need to stop this. You're doing him and Democrats more harm precisely because you are just proving to Hillary Clinton's supporters that you really don't care whether a) the Democrats win; b) whether the party is united to win in November.


    Posted by Laura Walker June 4, 08 05:21 PM
  1. Hillary to Denver or Independent Party! Hillary does not want the VP. It's just the media again. She's going to Denver!

    Posted by julie Johnson June 4, 08 05:28 PM
  1. It doesn't matter how gracious Hillary is if she concedes, or even if she actively campaigns for Obama. We won't forget what we witnessed this primary season - the fall of the Democratic party as we knew it. We withstood the never ending parade of ineffectual candidates and elected officials because we thought we had the moral high ground. That is no longer the case. I wonder if it ever was.

    Posted by MJJ June 4, 08 05:30 PM
  1. Honestly, the party is so split and Obama such a flawed candidate, that I would rather that Hill was the Senate Majority leader.

    I don't WANT her on a losing ticket as VP. I want her to work to get Obama elected...(which isn't going to happen since in all honesty he won this nomination via 12 caucus wins with 1.1 million voters who TRUMPED the votes of 18 million).

    Hillary - Senate Majority leader 2008-2012
    then Hillary 2012!

    Posted by Linda June 4, 08 05:34 PM
  1. If Hillary is not the nominee, then when you go to the polls in November, no matter whom you vote for, wear a Hillary button to honor her and let the poll-watchers know where your heart really is.

    Posted by mkevin June 4, 08 05:40 PM
  1. To all the bitter female HRC supporters, if you don't support the Democratic candidate you create a backlash that will effectively shut out all future female candidates for this party. Also, if you don't mind McCain appointing more conservative supreme court judges which will likely result in repeal of Roe v. Wade, then have at it. Finally, I really would prefer McCain because I don't like what Obama is proposing to do to the tax code.

    Posted by bud June 4, 08 05:40 PM
  1. Hillary supporters don't expect any reasonableness from Obama supporters. I have seen it over and over from them. Even look at the quote from the Democratic strategist in the article. It's called hate. And it is coming through loud and clear.

    The fact of the matter is Hillary won more votes than Obama. That means that more people cast a vote of confidence in her over him. More party "elders" sided with Obama so he got the nomination.

    So people can spin all they want but those are the facts!

    Posted by Tim June 4, 08 05:48 PM
  1. #18...you are obviously an Obamacan
    Hillary supports whoever the democratic nominee might be.. if it was a carrot, she'd support it! It doesn't mean that "her" supporters agree. And that is the game the DNC was willing to play..it's NOT just females, it's people who want experience in the WH as opposed to a left-leaning reincarnation of GWB.

    Further, the same argument you make about hindering a female's run for president can be made for what Obama is going to do to future black candidates after the GOP gets through framing him. The general public is going to think Hillary didn't have an overnight bag compared to the steamer trucks BO has!

    Posted by Linda June 4, 08 05:59 PM
  1. Hillary Clinton spells out CLASS and her campaign was run FAIR...when you run fair against GUTTER this IS what . Think of ALL of the odds she was against. THE MEDIA, THE RACIST ACCUSATIONS, REVISITING 100 YR OLD BILL CLINTON WOES, SEXISM, PARTY INSIDERS BOUGHT AND PROMISED WHO KNOWS WHAT??? AND SHE BEAT HIM in the popular vote!!~~ THE party insiders stole this election from HER..But if we STAND together they WILL NOT STEAL it from the COUNTRY! Become a McCain WOMAN! Think about this, had he ran fairly against her...NOT ACCUSING EVERYBODY IN HER FAMILY and her supporters of being RACIST. When HE is the one that pratically LIVES with RACIST, ANTI -Amerian people, The media had done what the Media should have done..covered the speeches for both ..had them on to discuss their views..and debates that were FAIR. Then whomever won...we would ALL be behind them. But it is NOT a mystery as to why those of us who are fair WANT a DECENT , EXPERIENCED, TRUSTING CANDIDATE for President. Let's face it. McCain will be ONE term and out...it will take a few years for ANY President to make changes. The biggest thing here is that McCain LOVES the Country and the PEOPLE! Obama does NOT! McCain although he has different views from what many of us do, WILL NOT DO anything that will HURT the Country. We cannot say that about Obama. Who knows what he COULD do, especially with the idiots we have in the DNC...and that is HIS oversight????

    Posted by Cheryl June 4, 08 06:00 PM
  1. Hillary Clinton spells out CLASS and her campaign was run FAIR...when you run fair against GUTTER this IS what . Think of ALL of the odds she was against. THE MEDIA, THE RACIST ACCUSATIONS, REVISITING 100 YR OLD BILL CLINTON WOES, SEXISM, PARTY INSIDERS BOUGHT AND PROMISED WHO KNOWS WHAT??? AND SHE BEAT HIM in the popular vote!!~~ THE party insiders stole this election from HER..But if we STAND together they WILL NOT STEAL it from the COUNTRY! Become a McCain WOMAN! Think about this, had he ran fairly against her...NOT ACCUSING EVERYBODY IN HER FAMILY and her supporters of being RACIST. When HE is the one that pratically LIVES with RACIST, ANTI -Amerian people, The media had done what the Media should have done..covered the speeches for both ..had them on to discuss their views..and debates that were FAIR. Then whomever won...we would ALL be behind them. But it is NOT a mystery as to why those of us who are fair WANT a DECENT , EXPERIENCED, TRUSTING CANDIDATE for President. Let's face it. McCain will be ONE term and out...it will take a few years for ANY President to make changes. The biggest thing here is that McCain LOVES the Country and the PEOPLE! Obama does NOT! McCain although he has different views from what many of us do, WILL NOT DO anything that will HURT the Country. We cannot say that about Obama. Who knows what he COULD do, especially with the idiots we have in the DNC...and that is HIS oversight????

    Posted by Cheryl June 4, 08 06:15 PM
  1. I am so disappointed in some of the American people. I think we all should just talk a step back and smell the roses. In life, there must always be a winner and a loser. If Obama had been in the other role and he ranted and raved, the responses would have been "that is typical of them people". I hope that we can finally put behind us the pickering and lets move forward. Regardless to who the candidate would have been, our primary objective should be to get and keep a third term Bush out f office.

    Yes, I am an African American and I am proud an love America!!!!!

    Posted by Gregory Carter, Rock Hill, SC and Richmond, Va June 4, 08 06:17 PM
  1. #10... you are so right...and one of the vehicles that manipulated this primary was DFA... Howard Deans old political organization. They are insinuated at EVERY STATE democratic party and they help control the agenda.

    While HD is not predominately featured in this travesty of a primary...his fingerprints are most definitely on all of the weapons...DNC, RBC, caucus manipulation via activists

    Posted by Linda June 4, 08 06:20 PM
  1. Dear Sen. Obama,
    Please don't pick HRC as your VP. Remeber what happened that last time they chose a female for that spot? They got clobbered. Oh yeah, by the way, she's the one that implied you were an affirmative action candidate and also called you a sexist.

    Posted by bud June 4, 08 06:28 PM
  1. Hillary did not win more votes. Get over it. She only won more votes if you don't count caucus states.

    Also, it should be transparently obvious that counting Florida and Michigan in the popular vote tallies is ridiculous. An election without a campaign doesn't pass the smell test of democratic legitimacy. Had those two been just a little closer, he would be crushing her by any metric. Do any of you really believe they would not have been closer with a normal election? Really? Sorry, if so you are delusional.

    Posted by John Simms June 4, 08 06:39 PM
  1. #5Milo MA

    This is not the first time a woman candidate got clobbed by the Dems elite look at Geraldine Ferraro she experience the same fate and if this years theme is CHANGE I would certainly think its time to pass the paton over to women for real change but here we go again women found themselves being ignored at what was thought this is the time for CHANGE.Hypocrites yes.

    Posted by skmj June 4, 08 06:42 PM
  1. I feel like I am living in some parallel universe from the majority of the previous posters. Hillary wins the most votes with creative math. (Don't count the caucus states, do count her votes in Michigan after she said they don't count, don't count the non-committed votes for Obama, etc.Once I would have been happy with either one, but I leaned towards Obama. Now I would not be happy with Hillary, and it has NOTHING to do with the media, or Obama, or whatever other scapegoat she wants to blame. It was her conduct, her campaign that turned me off. Her kissing face on Fox and Friends. Her stirring up the racial pot in PA for six straight weeks (I have family there). Not Obama. As a woman I am INSULTED that anyone would say this is sexism. It was hers to loose. Suck it up and deal.

    Posted by J. Dolan June 4, 08 07:45 PM
  1. Wow. Wander over to cloudcoocooland here and find that math is different, reality warped, the field slanted toward the african-american candidate because he's a man, and the paranoia running like bad beer.

    Hillary lost because she didn't plan for a long fight, although she recovered nicely. Her Iraq vote killed her even more than poor planning -- had she voted right, she would have won by February. I have nothing against her. But the piercing wailing of some of her her supporters is really embarrassing to me as a Democrat.

    It's politics. She and Obama played it to the hilt. Obama, by the narrowest of margins, pulled it out.

    Posted by Jay B. June 4, 08 07:45 PM
  1. It's not sexist to believe that Obama has done better than Hillary in terms of ability to inspire and motivate, and that's why he won. He makes people, especially the young, feel excited and positive about their country, and that's what Americans want to see in a president. Hillary just doesn't have the same gift and would never win a general election. Her assets are a strong laundry list of policy initiatives (that we're too broke to afford anyway) and plenty of "experience" (which has a bad rep lately since Dick Cheney has so much of it). And she never explained her vote for the Iraq mess. She had the specifics but Obama had a theme, and a theme is what wins elections.

    Hillary would and hopefully will make a great Cabinet member and awesome policy wonk, but she never struck me as being what our country needs at this time, and Obama does. Nothing sexist about it. A different woman candidate could have got my vote, and may in the future.

    I agree with #18 that Hillary supporters will cast doubt on future female candidates unless they accept this and get behind the winner.

    Posted by John W June 4, 08 07:55 PM
  1. Thank you #26. More of Hillary Clinton's supporters could stand to know that the numbers coming from her campaign both toss out the results in all caucus states, but also claim all undecided voters from MI and FL.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter. The Democratic Party has rules, and according to those rules, Barack Obama has earned the 2008 Democratic nomination.

    In addition to being offended by Clinton's willful disregard for reality at the expense of her party, I am disappointed that she and her campaign have painted themselves into such a corner. A gracious exit six weeks ago, and she would be a far more attractive VP candidate; at this point, however, Obama would be a fool to let her on his ship. Hillary Clinton could really do this country a lot of good, but she doesn't have to be President. The sooner she realizes this, the sooner she can get back to being part of the solution.

    Posted by stanley June 4, 08 07:58 PM
  1. I find extremely interesting that the Clinton supporters are citing all these unrealistic reasons for her loss. If the primaries were really manipulated in favor of Obama, I don't think the race would have continued until yesterday. This was a close primary and either Clinton or Obama could have clinched it. As for the popular vote argument, somehow I find it ridiculous that people are citing it. In our country we follow certain rules in our elections. I agree that they strange rules but they are The Rules. If Clinton had won the nomination, I doubt anyone would have been talking about popular vote or breaking the rules.

    So, for all Clinton supporters, hard-luck and it's time to concede that Barack Obama is the nominee. Other than that, it's probably a level of fanaticism that I hope that Hillary Clinton does not condone.

    Posted by pna June 4, 08 08:06 PM
  1. Is everyone on this blog Hillary supporters??? People, take a look around, this campaign was run like a high school home coming...who gets to be Prom King/ Queen?
    He said/ she said politics???...please, I don't care who was under fire where, or when, wether a black militant rev. believes in the freedom of what we have always fought for...or wether or not lines from previous speeches were re-used...
    Why don't we talk about gas at $4/ga.. and real domestic and foriegn policies?
    Oh, lets not forget the political low lying fruit (ie Iraq)..."If I'm elected I'll put together a plan to pull out of Iraq in 12 months"...what???
    Neither one of these candidates deserves 1 more minute of our collective time...why? because they don't stand for anything!!!

    Posted by itzo June 4, 08 08:09 PM
  1. For SKMJ. She lost "fair and square." Obama won. Get over it. The race was close but she lost.

    Posted by paul June 4, 08 08:14 PM
  1. It really does not matter, they are both Socialists,,,,

    I just find it fascinating that Obama has proceeded so easily without any credentials or substance. But the free skate is over as of Friday, can' wait.

    Posted by Matt June 4, 08 08:20 PM
  1. If I could submit a visual cartoon right now it would be of a black cat staring reluctantly (but bravely and wisely) down a railroad track with the approaching Republican Rail barreling forward. Meanwhile next to him is a white rat urging him on "Go ahead, you can make it" while a crowd of a variety of earth's animals look on.

    Hillary, Bow out gracefully will you before you and The Former President lose what respect we thought we had for you fades.

    Posted by Lars Lemstrom June 4, 08 08:26 PM
  1. Ding Dong the witch is dead the witch is dead the wicked witch
    Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead.

    I hope Obama had the sence to take her ruby slippers

    Posted by David June 4, 08 08:27 PM
  1. For the sake of this country, for our children, for our pocketbooks and wallets please vote for the fairly elected Democratic Candidate Barack Obama. I voted for Barack Obama. I would not have been upset if Hillary won. I would have wholeheartedly supported her. She did not win. She tried. She came very close. She did not win. We must now support OUR Democratic candidate Barack Obama. How anyone claiming to be a Democrat whether black, white, man or woman could vote for McCain is beyond me.

    Posted by paul June 4, 08 08:31 PM
  1. hear the voices of the people. if they want Clinton to be the VP of Obama then be it...


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    Posted by wilma June 4, 08 08:34 PM
  1. I thought this was a great campaign season. For the first time in a long time, this Yellow Dog Democrat was excited about the candidates I had to choose from. Heck, I was a Bill Richardson supporter before he dropped out, then I switched to Hillary Clinton. But all along, I was happy knowing that it doesn't matter if Clinton or Obama wins the nomination: either way, I win, the Democrats win, and America wins.

    Posted by Ron June 4, 08 08:35 PM
  1. Unfortunately Obama will win the GE, and not because he is the better candidate. I've been naive enough to think this was really a political campaign but it's not - it's a marketing campaign - and Obama is the better brand. The Republican brand, thanks to Dim Son, has become a disaster so the big money boys both Republican and Democrat, had to find another product they could fund to successfully maintain their power base. Obama is a clean slate. There really is "no there, there". ( For the many months that I've been reading the blogs I've been able to find very little about his legislative record - especially in the the Ill. legislature) Hillary is her own women and would be too problematical. So Obama will be our next president and the pawn of Wall St bankers. Nothing will change.

    Then again Rezko has just been found guilty!!! Will he make a plea bargain while he sings about his relationship with the Anointed One?

    Posted by annakrenina June 4, 08 08:38 PM
  1. If Hillary really had CLASS she would have conceded to Obama on Tuesday evening.......she is not a fighter at all, but an eternal conniver.......her most glaring personal flaw is that she can't accept reality.......I want a flawed woman-President like her??......cry me a river, Hillary........Friday ,she will LIE again to 'unite' the Party; conversely, she hopes all her supporters not vote or at least vote for McCain.....the USS Clinton has finally sunk with all 3 Clintons going down with that hell/ship launched 35 years go.....I LUV IT....poetic justice to theose salacious reprobates: Bill and Hillary Clinton.....in November...McCain by a MANDATE vote!!

    Posted by gungho-guy June 4, 08 08:39 PM
  1. Only a crazy person thinks that she won the popular vote for real. Her campaign was a complete mess until the last two months. Obama beat her fairly under the rules. He ran an incredibly well thought out campaign.

    I for one would welcome Hillary onto the ticket. I hope he can see his way clear to bridge that gap. I would be afraid that she might have said too many negative things about Obama now but I like her spirit and her savvy.

    For all the bitter feminists that say they won't support Obama... you do realize that the 5-4 majority on Roe is almost gone if not gone and that two liberal justices may very well retire during the next 8 years? I could have sworn that was an important issue to you.

    Posted by B Francis June 4, 08 08:41 PM
  1. "This lady wants to roll up her sleeves and help get this country on the right track again. And she actually has a clue how to do it. Gee, why would we want to nominate her? She only won the most votes.

    Hillary Clinton 17,785,009
    Barack Obama 17,479,990

    -ABC News

    Hillary on to Denver, you won, make them give it to you

    B.L."


    I've got two words for you B.L. - Al Gore.

    Al won the popular vote against Bush in 2000, but he did not become President. Why should it be any different for her?

    Posted by Scott June 4, 08 08:53 PM
  1. I think we should all vote for McCain just to spite them. I am NOT voting for Obama when Hillary is the rightful heir to the Dem throne!!! She Won- She was the victim of an unfair press. I, for one , will not stand for this. MY VOTE ID GOING TO McCAIN IN THE FALL

    Posted by Bernard Curtin June 4, 08 09:00 PM
  1. Yabba Dabba Dooooo...Ding Dong the Witch is dead...

    To all the posters whining...have a drink! Hillary will join ya...we've seen her shooting whiskey!!

    I hate to be a mamber of the Clinton family now...I can only imagine dishes flying...glass shattering...and finally sobbing :-)

    Posted by Scorpio June 4, 08 09:00 PM
  1. Someone wins and someone loses, that's how it works. Nobody is arguing that the Pistons should be allowed to team up with the Celtics or get to suit a few of their players in green and white to play against the Lakers. Except for the annual whinging that goes on about the BCS or the role some ref played in the outcome of a game, it's pretty much accepted in sports that one team wins and another loses. Quite frankly, politics is essentially a sporting contest, and when the contest is over, both sides should gracious to each other and then move on. There's always next season.

    Posted by Loren Bundt June 4, 08 09:04 PM
  1. I am tired of all the remarks about Hillary and her health care plans. Wasn't she supposed to be doing big things nearly 16 years ago? Check Bill's State of the Union speach back then when he said Hillary had a health care plan in mind. What about her not being a "Stand by her man" kind of woman, then allowed him to degrade her on the world stage. I would have had more respect for her if she had packed her bags and walked out of the White House back then. Hillary is more of the same old, same old. She lost the election because she tried to tailor herself to each sitiuation. You need to make a stand and stick to it. I'm an older white woman and I can honestly say that Hillary doesn't speak for me, doesn't represent me, and will never get a vote from me.

    Posted by pat June 4, 08 09:06 PM
  1. Democrats are bad losers. They imagine consipiracies and racism and sexism to explain their losses. They are spoilsports. If I like a woman does it mean I like ALL women? No. If I dislik Hillary do I dislike ALL women? No. Do I dislike liars of any gender who make up herioc stories of performing bravely under enemy fire? Yes. Do I dislike people who have no sense of fair play--such as a person who agrees to a set of rules regarding two primaries and then tries to change the rules afte the game has started? Yes. Do I dislike divisive people who turn one group against another for her own advantage? Yes.

    I am SO glad she lost. There is justice in the world after all. I can't wait to watch her phony concession speech. And I look forward to McCain's victory in November.

    Posted by dbnoir June 4, 08 09:08 PM
  1. I'm tired with this argument that Clinton won the most votes. Clinton won ONE caucus state--Nevada--by a very small margin. You can't possibly argue that, had the votes been able to be actually tallied, that Obama wouldn't have the most votes. Obama won Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Maine, North Dakota, Kansas, Idaho, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, and the caucuses in Texas, many of which were by 20-30 point margins. You can't tell me that these votes that aren't tallied in the popular vote count wouldn't give Obama the 36000 votes he would need to put him over the top in the popular vote category... You also can't argue with the fact that Obama won many more states than Clinton, earned more pledged delegates than Clinton, and earned the support of more Supers than Clinton.

    Posted by Mike Tremblay June 4, 08 09:08 PM
  1. I'm tired with this argument that Clinton won the most votes. Clinton won ONE caucus state--Nevada--by a very small margin. You can't possibly argue that, had the votes been able to be actually tallied, that Obama wouldn't have the most votes. Obama won Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Maine, North Dakota, Kansas, Idaho, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, and the caucuses in Texas, many of which were by 20-30 point margins. You can't tell me that these votes that aren't tallied in the popular vote count wouldn't give Obama the 36000 votes he would need to put him over the top in the popular vote category... You also can't argue with the fact that Obama won many more states than Clinton, earned more pledged delegates than Clinton, and earned the support of more Supers than Clinton.

    Posted by Mike Tremblay June 4, 08 09:09 PM
  1. Like she has a choice. She had better not only endorse Obama but give him all her delegates, tell l her people to get behind him unless they want to lose their daughters to back alley abortions and their mates to cancer when they lose their healthcare and their sons to a war that should never have been fought.

    Posted by Karen, New York June 4, 08 09:17 PM
  1. I voted for Bill twice and Hillary in the primary. Obama seems to attract the disilluisoned. The thought of him as President of my Country scares me...very much! His supporters are living in Neverland. He just does not pack the gear, the very thought of him as Commander-in Chief of our brave troops makes me shudder to the bone!

    Posted by Herman Bishop June 4, 08 09:27 PM
  1. The reality is that WE NEED Bill Clinton (and therefore, Hilary). During the Clinton tenure, the country was in a state of prosperity; I think that you may have noticed that this is not the case now. And Obama is not going to turn it around by himself. When our very sustenance gets compromised, it is time to take a serious look at why.

    Posted by Sharon King June 4, 08 09:31 PM
  1. Excuse me! Hillary's experience??? HUH??? Hillary & Billary are all about themselves...nothing new! Obama's experience??? HUH??? What are we in for? Let's HOPE Obama isn't DUMB enough to nominate Hill (& Bill) for VP!!!

    Posted by Susan June 4, 08 09:32 PM
  1. Support the values you believe in without getting fixated on a candidate. If you don't like Obama's values and like McCain's, go that way. But the whining and complaining won't change the fact that her strategists, especially a man named Mark Penn, did a lousy job.

    Finally, to those Clinton supporters who are upset that Obama supporters are not being gracious, consider that Barack has been extremely gracious - far more patient and generous than most would have been had they been in his position. And know that once Senator Clinton just admits that it's over (Saturday) and that it was a good, tough race but that he slightly outplayed her, then Obama supporters will again respect her.

    Posted by Michael June 4, 08 09:37 PM
  1. When all the bitter lefty ladies stay home or vote for McCain, they will insure more Thomases and Scalias on the Supreme Court.

    They don't seem to understand that this is not about women vs men. I would happily vote for the many qualified female stars of the Democratic party. Aside from her poorly run campaign, Clinton never backed away from her foolish vote to support the invasion of Iraq. Her present behavior makes one wonder how she would stand up to the stresses of the Presidency.

    Hope you lefty ladies enjoy the repeal of Rowe vs Wade after you stay home or vote for McCain.

    Posted by Lawyer Calhoun June 4, 08 09:37 PM
  1. "I agree with #18 that Hillary supporters will cast doubt on future female candidates unless they accept this and get behind the winner. "

    I don't I think so. If we all vote for McCain, it will send a strong message to the party's elite, the media and 95% of the black population in the US. There was a not so hidden agenda to see the Clintons fail. I will never vote for Obama, and neither will many of my friends who supported Hillary. He is just too unexperienced and I can't find any substance in his message. I understand the rock star appeal that swept this country. Yet, I can't see anything in his policies that will be better than Hillary's plan to get us out of this mess. This was not fair play for the Clintons. The
    media, the party, the black population, sexism to name a few foes was too much for her to overcome. McCain is a more seasoned candiate to run this country. Sorry Obama lovers. I hope he loses. We can campain for Hillary to break the glass ceiling on 2012

    Posted by JHernandez June 4, 08 09:43 PM

  1. HAIL TO THE CHIEF! OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!

    A great statesman for the young generations, with specific goals for change with the best demeanor the world has ever seen!

    HE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE US PROUD!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsdHoAy4aM

    An excellent bilingual (Spanish-English) audio from a Miami Radio Station about Senator Obama.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgRzGJ8EQU

    Posted by Henry June 4, 08 09:43 PM
  1. Wise move, but overdue. My wife and I were split between the two candidates early in the primary process. We are not split between them anymore. Obama is and should be the Democrat's nominee for the Office of President of the United States of America.

    Posted by Future Times June 4, 08 09:47 PM
  1. Leave it to the Brits to have the intestinal fortitude to sum up this debacle better than any rag around here can....From the Guardian:

    "Once again, it's all about Hillary Clinton, who delivered the most abrasive, self-absorbed, selfish, delusional, emasculating and extortionate political speech I've heard in a long time. And I've left out some adjectives, just to be polite.... What's her game? It's this, I think. It's not merely to be vice president. Although apparently it is that. I take it she and Bill have decided that being Obama's vice-president for eight years is the most plausible path to the presidency. But she did not on Tuesday night merely try to make a case for herself as a good vice-presidential candidate. She held a rhetorical knife to Obama's throat and said, in not so many words: I'm still calling some shots, buddy. You offer me the vice-presidency, or I walk away. But she has also forced Obama into a situation whereby if he chooses her now, he looks weak. So that's the choice she is hoping to impose on the nominee: don't choose me, and Bill and I will subtly work to see that you lose; choose me, and look like a weakling who can't lead the party without the Clintons after all. Now that's putting the interests of the party first, isn't it?"

    Posted by Faye June 4, 08 09:51 PM
  1. I have been a strong HRC supporter from the get-go and I truly believe Hillary is the better-qualified candidate. I am seriously disappointed and discouraged. Nevertheless, now is the time for Democrats to unite. Although I won't like it, I will vote for BHO when the time comes.
    We need to put the right wing in its place!

    Posted by North O'Boston June 4, 08 09:52 PM
  1. Hillary won the dueling banjo vote 2 to 1. She went to the gutter when the going got tough and played on the fears of uneducated people. Without the media harping on rev wright Obama would have crushed her. Vote for Mccain. as long as the liar is out, I'm happy.

    And she also won the Rush Limbaugh vote. Congrats Rush. you did what you wanted. Now the Hillary supporters are too dumb to realize that Rush kept Hillary's campaign alive and they are doing exactly as he wants. Clintonites shall now be known as Rushofiles.

    Posted by JD June 4, 08 09:57 PM
  1. Hillary looked arrogant, foolish and classless in not endorsing Obama last night. In contrast, Obama was gracious in his comments towards her.
    If she thinks she's angling for the VP nod, I think she's deluding herself. If you were Obama, would you want Hillary and Bill looking over your shoulder for four or eight years? There are plenty of other candidates he can turn to.
    Obama won the nomination fair and square, and he should choose the running mate he's comfortable with, not try and appease Hillary's supporters.
    Obama is a very convincing man, and despite what Hillary says, he will convince many of her blue collar, female, and elderly voters to go Democratic. Many of these voters are a part of the natural Democratic constituency anyway.

    Posted by HS June 4, 08 09:59 PM
  1. Hillary made a futile attempt to reform healthcare when her husband was president. She's been a failure ever since.

    Posted by jim June 4, 08 10:05 PM
  1. I've read most of the posts in this blog, and with only a few exceptions, all comments seem to be attacks and accusations--some well thought out, and some merely opinionated thrashing. The Democratic race has been a hot contest from day one, and especially since Senators Clinton and Obama moved to the head of the pack.

    All people posting here surely come from different walks of life, family and cultural backgrounds, educations, etc. In effect, these posters are a microcosmic sampling of our country, and most likely, the Democratic Party.

    That said, in reading these comments, I have become extremely frustrated. So many posts speak of the "destruction of the Democratic Party," the stinting of change, the lost unification of the party, the new inclination of this candidate's supporters or that candidate's supporters to swing their backing in favor of a different party or candidate.

    It seems to me that many of the posters, perhaps because their opinions are clouded by recent news of their candidates victory or defeat, are having trouble "seeing the forest for the trees." For the last 17 months, the Democratic race has been the most prominent news feature, and because of this, discussion of the Democratic political issues have come to the forefront of our society. Another look at the race will show that change has indeed been made: the frontrunners of the Democratic race were Senators Clinton and Obama--a woman and an African American. Now it appears that an African American has won the nomination by a major political party, and it is a possibility that a woman could be his running mate. This is unprecedented on the scales of both American and world history.

    Politics transcends individuals. Although human beings make laws and governing decisions, the politic is a power that exceeds the opinion or talent of any individual. Regardless of whether or not a man or woman, white or not white, etc. is the (temporary) leader of the political sphere, it is important to recognize that the goal of politics, and those with political control, is to improve the lives of the citizens of the world. I

    n the words of Senator Clinton from her speech on Tuesday nite, many of us feel like we are invisible to the current administration. So please, let us put our differences aside, cease bickering, arguing statistics and numbers, and thinking and speaking irrationally. It is our duty as Americans to respect each other and our leaders, and to take part in our political system. As Democrats, let us unite behind our party and its leaders to work towards a victory in November.

    Posted by Tom June 4, 08 10:08 PM
  1. I will not vote for Obama without Hillary.

    Posted by oneillwfx@yahoo.com June 4, 08 10:09 PM
  1. I wonder what would happen if you took half the votes from a black candidate and gave them to a white candidate in a state primary where the white did not even have their name on the ballot.

    Posted by Carlis June 4, 08 10:18 PM
  1. Hiliary Sucks.

    She never had any divine right to the presidential nomination. This is a huge piece of humble pie. Hilary, please do your obligation, chastise and disown your philandering husband for his actions, step and aside and enter oblivion where you and the Clinton family belong.

    T.S. and I don't mean tell Superman.

    Posted by Shawn Pearson; June 4, 08 10:21 PM
  1. Goodbye, democratic party!

    To all those Hillary haters, beware of Michelle Obama!

    Posted by chris June 4, 08 10:23 PM
  1. The whole tone of this article along with Obama supporters, which by the way are one in the same----is that you cannot get Hillary out of the race fast enough to suit you.
    "What is she waiting for?"
    Are you kidding me? The last primary just closed last night. She thanked her staff and gave them the final chat they deserved today. She is doing everything she needs to do to shut down a gargantuan operation. Could you ill mannered, impatient, immature, Obama fanatics just calm down for crying out loud?!
    There should be grace in victory as in defeat.

    Posted by Morgan June 4, 08 10:30 PM
  1. As a conservative without a candidate, I really hope she will consider running as an Independent. She would then probably have my vote as at least I know what I get with her.

    Posted by Lauren Richards June 4, 08 10:38 PM
  1. I just can't in good conscience vote for Obama. The only way that I could grudgingly cast my ballot for him is if Hillary were on the ticket.

    Hillary should have taken this to the convention. At least a floor fight could have given her the nomination. Now she's just an also ran. Here's hoping for a miracle between now and November.

    Go John McCain!!!

    Posted by Tony June 4, 08 10:38 PM
  1. Frances Sladek. You got your facts wrong. The issue with stealing the nomination as it pertained to Obama was that if he won the popular vote AND had a majority of the proportioned delegates over Clinton and then fear was that the super delegates would step in and take the election away from Clinton.
    Also let's be real. The cards were stacked in favor of Clinton. That is why California moved up in the primary because she mistakenly thought that it was winner take all. The moving up of primaries was spear headed by Clinton's people so that she could sew the nomination early.
    Also the Clintons' moral relativism nauseates me. The rules (including Bill's telling the truth) only matter when it benefits them. A rule is a rule is a rule!!!

    Posted by Samuel Rodriguez June 4, 08 10:40 PM
  1. Both Obama and Hillary were less than ideal candidates. Obama's message of change is eerily like that of Deval Patrick and look at what an ineffectual leader we got. I voted for Deval and now I fear that I have made the same mistake all over again by voting for Obama.

    Hillary carries a lot of baggage and I don't buy the argument that she was more experienced. It just seemed to me that she would be unelectable in the presidential elections since a LOT of republicans see her as the second coming of the Antichrist.

    Sooooo I swallowed my fear and voted for Obama. To all those who are saying they will vote for McCain - think carefully about what you are saying. If McCain gets in Roe Vs. Wade is going to fall and you all will be up the creek without a paddle.

    Us gay people are used to getting stabbed in the back by the dems. I will NEVER NEVER forgive Bill Clinton for signing the defense of marriage act but I ain't so stupid as to vote for a republican and neither should any self respecting feminist.

    Posted by Tony C June 4, 08 10:43 PM
  1. You know what makes me sick? Clinton supporters who will choose to vote for McCain over Obama simply to "prove a point" to the DNC. The only point you'd be proving is that America is going to be heading in the wrong direction, and it will continue to do so for the next four years... or 100. Bush has done so much damage to America (and the rest of the world) that we need change now! McCain is NOT change. McCain is more of the same. There is so much more at stake in this election than Iraq or gas prices ... there are Supreme Court justice appointments, Roe v. Wade decisions, and environmental concerns to name a few. What people seem to be forgetting is that McCain is a conservative... if you so strongly support Clinton, then you must have liberal beliefs. Do you honestly want a conservative in the White House for all of those decisions when you so staunchly wanted a liberal? A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Clinton... a vote for McCain is a vote for the further destruction of our country... please do the right thing in November and help make our country better. Obama '08

    Posted by mike June 4, 08 10:54 PM
  1. I am a Democrat, I voted for HRC in the MA primary, and now will vote for McCain or even Nader. It is my vote and I feel I can make a point being in the 22% of former HRC votes that will go to McCain. Obama will get this state regardless, but I have the piece of mind that he did not get my vote. To all of us here in MA, we already have an Obama with Deval, and I have not seen anything remarkable from him. Obama even uses the same lingo and parts of speeches from him, and is a one word (Change) campaign. I was pretty bent out of shape with the Gore loss in 2000, and now this has me up in arms with the Democratic party. The word change is just reflecting the fact that he is black vs white as a candidate, and not a Clinton or Bush namesake, where else is the change? The word is very superficial and not digging deeper. Lastly in playing the sex card here, if you remember it was Susan B Anthony that fought for black voting rights with Douglass, with the outcome of black men being able to vote before white women. She eventually went on to cast votes in an election and was arrested at a polling station, which provoked her to lead the fight for women's voting rights. Once again this is an example of females being slighted over males. On average they earn 75 cents on the $1 to men in the workplace. To me change would have been a female president, so what we are getting is just more of the same. By the way I am a male, a very disappointed one.

    Posted by virgo June 4, 08 10:59 PM
  1. Hillary did not win the popular vote. That is funny math. Sorry

    Posted by Abe June 4, 08 11:00 PM
  1. Dearest Hillary, as much as it's going to kill you to endorse Nobama and "unify" the tragically messed-up Democratic party... It's going to kill me as much to pull the lever for John McCain in November - but we must do what we both must do. We're in for another rough 4 years - have mercy on us!

    Posted by product19 June 4, 08 11:04 PM
  1. Oh come on - the Democrat leadership crowned Obama, not voters. The voters of Michigan and Florida were punished since their leadership made a wrong decision. So their delegates were not divided according to the vote. And if Obama is stupid enough to skip Michigan that shows you how good is judgement is. Frankly I am one Democrat voter who will hold his nose and vote for McCain than put in Super Liberal Obama in office so he can tax us out of the rest of our money for all his proposed programs. I hope Hillary is not asked to be VP since I think that the Democratic ticket with Obama as the nominee is going to crash and burn McGovern and Dukakis style. Democrats blew the biggest change they had to take over the White House but now I believe once the "truth" comes out about Obama from the opponents - its goodbye Obama. And don't you just want to smack the smug face on his manly looking wife!!!!

    Posted by MassConfusion June 4, 08 11:06 PM
  1. God forbid Howard Dean actually try and build a Democratic Party in all 50 states, Ms. Linda. Give me a break. I'm glad his fingerprints are all over this. Howard Dean is the reason we're going to win in November. He is the reason we took Congress in 2006. By building the party in all states we are now running strong in those states and will pick up MORE seats in November, along with President Obama.

    To all you 50% +1 DLCers, you just wait. You ain't seen nothing yet!

    Posted by LM June 4, 08 11:10 PM
  1. Obama started out the campaign unqualifed. He is still unqualified. Running as the Democratic nominee will not magically make him qualified. I am voting for John McCain, and I can only hope that every Clinton supporter goes with me. I know that will not happen. However, if only ten percent of us who did vote for her in the primaries vote for McCain, that still costs Obama nearly two million votes.

    Posted by Hillary Supporter for McCain June 4, 08 11:11 PM
  1. First of all, how can Hilary say that she wants to "count every vote" when she is not counting any of the votes in the caucus states? Do those voters not "count"?

    Second, does she not understand that she has lost?

    Hillary is plainly psychotic. There is simply something wrong with her brain that makes her utterly incapable of feeling or thinking of anything or anyone but herself. This has been so her whole like. It is also true of her husband and, sadly, her daughter.

    It is so long past the time for these tiresome narcissists to just go away. We want our party and country back now, please.

    Posted by gpo June 4, 08 11:12 PM
  1. The Clinton campaign knew the rules coming in, caucuses included. Not only that, everyone in her campaign, including Mrs. Clinton, approved of the penalties for Michigan and Florida. That is, at least before Hillary Clinton started losing the primary. I ask you, where was the outrage before then? Where was it when the rules were being created?

    It was only at the point she realized she needed more delegates that her campaign suddenly decided the rules were wrong and unfair. It's disingenuous to suggest her campaign would have fought for these principles so forcefully if they had been ahead in the primary. Indeed, they did NOT when they were in the lead. The campaign took this to the point of saying she deserved delegates in a state where Obama wasn't even on the ballot. A true and principled leader would have made that argument before it became immediately beneficial to him or her. She clearly had every opportunity to do that before she needed those delegates and chose not to.

    Too often we let politicians manipulate us into believing something that is just not true. And the Clintons are well aware of this. They believe that if you say something often enough, it becomes true.

    Principles were not the driving force behind her passionate embrace of "disenfranchised" Michigan and Florida voters, it was the desire to win this primary at any cost.

    Ends do not justify the means.

    Our society is built, rightly, on deference to law. How can the Democratic party make the argument they are the party to lead the country when it can't even adhere to its own party rules?

    This needs to be fixed or the Democratic party will have a tough time in November.

    Is there any wonder people are suspicious of politics and the two political parties we are dealt?

    Further, the suggestion that the primary outcome has a great deal to do with gender is an insult to all the women who support the Obama campaign to the same degree that it would be an insult to African Americans who support Hillary Clinton had she won the primary.

    Do we want to change the country, or do we want, specifically, for Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States above all else?

    How about Clinton supporters consider moving on and making a difference in moving things forward.

    Posted by Julio Sanchez June 4, 08 11:18 PM
  1. What I am reading from these comments is "Hillary supporters are stupid and naive". Obama won the nominiation fair and square by the party rules.

    Posted by Som June 4, 08 11:19 PM
  1. The race is over. Let's all act like grown ups and accept the winner. Politics is a rough game and both candidates played it well. Hillary did not get cheated, she was just outplayed in the politcal game. If I refused to vote every time my favorite candidate lost in the primary, I don't think I would voted in the last 20 years.

    Instead of complaining about how Hillary got cheated, perhaps we should look at the actual numbers:

    Popular Vote (including caucus states):
    18,107,710 - Obama (48.1%)
    18,046,007 - Clinton (47.9%)

    Elected (Pledged) Delegates (not including superdelegates):
    1,767 - Obama
    1,639 - Clinton
    25 - Edwards

    Primaries/Caucuses won:
    34 - Obama
    22 - Clinton

    Average of latest four country-wide opinion polls (5/21 - 6/03):
    51.3% - Obama
    42.0% - Clinton

    Source: realclearpolitics.com, 6/4/2008.

    By any objective measure, Obama won the democratic primaries, and he will now become the democratic nominee.

    If you really support McCain, great, vote for him. But to vote for him because Hillary got "cheated" is just non-sensical.

    Posted by Scott June 4, 08 11:20 PM
  1. ENOUGH!

    It is over! Whether you are a Clinton Supporter or Obama supporter it is time to unify to get a Democrat in the White House. Bickering over dead issues will not help anything.

    Posted by Chris June 4, 08 11:34 PM
  1. Yes, pathetic but true...ANY man (even an inexperienced one) is better than a woman. That's one of the tragedies of this country and why we are mediocre. I mean, I have heard (mostly) men say they really don't want to vote for a black person but will take a black man over a woman anyday. Not, that Clinton deserves the position but she did not deserve to lose due to gender politics. Well, the more things change, the more they stay the same, right? Obama might get beaten by McCain because race will not trump age in the quiet moment of the voting booth. It will be about experience versus inexperience. The choices for VP will push the decision, too. Obama has to find some experience in his VP. McC has to find youthfullness. They all need to find Mr. Green ($$$$$$$).

    Posted by Jammer June 4, 08 11:38 PM
  1. Oh man, Hillary supporters are nuts.

    You all sound like the chemtrails, 9/11 was an inside job, fear the Illuminati crowd.

    Removeth thy tinfoil hats at once.

    Obama won because more people liked him. Cope.

    Posted by egads June 4, 08 11:39 PM
  1. "This election was Hillary's to lose, and she did just that, in spectacular fashion."

    Lost in a spectacular fashion? Are you people joking?

    Clinton lost by ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT of the popular vote. Make no mistake about it: Obama limped to the finish. Since February 19, Clinton won 10 of 16 primaries, a majority major, and 458 of 867 of the available pledged delegates.

    That is hardly a spectacular defeat. And it is most certainly not a clear mandate for Obama. If this party is to unite, Obama supporters must end the childish vitriol now. Clinton supporters are not old. Not uneducated. And most certainly not stupid. Clinton was a good and formidable opponent. Give her and her supporters the respect they deserve and you might draw them to your side.

    Posted by TGL June 4, 08 11:45 PM
  1. If you vote for obama because he is black or not because he is not a woman, then that is racist and sexist, just as if you have voted otherwise.

    Everyone should rally behind him as the party's nominee. Unless you truly agree with McCain or another party's candidate, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    Posted by AS June 4, 08 11:47 PM
  1. All of you "democrats" who supported Hillary and now say you are going to vote for McCain make me sick. I can't believe you'd actually consider that. McCain would just be the 3rd term for Bush. He wants to continue just about every one of Bush's policies, including the War in Iraq. McCain's policies are the polar opposites of Hillary's and Obama's, so if you actually care about the issues we are facing as a country, including the War in Iraq, the economy, healthcare, and education, I don't see how you could vote for McCain.

    If you're a Democrat and truly care about this country, you will vote for Barack Obama in November.

    And no, the election was not "stolen" from Hillary. In fact, it was practically handed to her on a silver platter. Everyone expected her to have the nomination wrapped up by the beginning of February. However, she ran a terrible campaign that's over $20 million dollars in debt, and she lost.

    Obama won 33 contests to her 19. He also beat her in elected pledged delegates (the main thing in determining the nominee) 1744 to 1641 (numbers from NBC). If you threw out the superdelegates votes completely, he would still win by 103 delegates. Even if Michigan and Florida were given full votes, he would still win.

    As for the popular vote, you can not count Michigan because he was not on the ballot. He withdrew his name from the ballot after all of the candidates (including Clinton) pledged to do so, a pledge that Hillary Clinton failed to follow through on. So no, Hillary did not win the popular vote. Yes, the fact that the elections in Florida and Michigan were completely screwed up, but there's nothing that can be done about that now. You can't change the rules at the end of the game. Hopefully next time the DNC won't screw up so badly.

    These campaigns are the biggest things that both Obama and Clinton have managed, and are probably the best indication of how they would run the country. In this aspect, Obama was much better. He defeated the mighty "Clinton machine".

    As for the experience argument that some of you have been throwing around, it's not really valid. First of all, Obama has more experience in elected office than Hillary Clinton. He was first elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996. Hillary has only been an elected official since 2000. Her time as first lady was great, but it doesn't really count. She never got daily briefings, didn't attend cabinet meetings, etc. Obama has also done quite a bit in his short time in the U.S. Senate. You can search on the Senate website to see all of the bills he has introduced: he has introduced and worked on many more than Hillary has in the past four years.

    Secondly, and most importantly, NOBODY has the real experience to be President. There is nothing that can prepare you to be President. It is a job unlike any other in the the world.

    In conclusion, I hope that all of you Hillary Clinton supporters will come to your senses and not vote for John McCain just to spite Barack Obama or the Democratic Party. That's not what this country needs. America is not in good shape, and we need to get a Democrat back in the White House. Obama and Hillary's policies are almost identical, and either of them would be great for this country. So, for the good of the country, I hope that you all will vote for Obama in November.

    Posted by Brian June 4, 08 11:50 PM
  1. Well, all I can say to Senator Clinton is....It's about time. Congratulations to Senator Obama for a clean, well-run campaign. Do the math Clinton supporters and support the real candidate. He stayed strong through numerous criticisms and maintained his composure. Senator Clinton will be fine in her "homestate" of New York, she is a tough candidate, but just not the right one, the people and delegates have spoken. YES WE CAN!

    Posted by Sarah June 4, 08 11:51 PM
  1. any hrc supporters want to respond to #50 besides posting the manipulated numbers you already posted? i'm curious. Also, its hard to play the sexism card when the first black nominee from a major party was elected instead of her. Maybe an african-american woman would have fit the bill.

    responses hrc supporters? oh and saying a dirty campaign also isn't fair when hrc played off the turban pictures/pastor issues/hussein middle name.

    Posted by ted June 4, 08 11:52 PM
  1. Mike Tremblay, Before you and others like you continue spewing nonsense, you ought to get your facts straight. This was an extraordinarily close election. Clinton won every major state--including Texas. If you look you'll find that the caucuses votes are tallied, but those tallies are an estimate, based on extrapolations and non-verifiable assumptions. Democrats do not count votes or voters at a caucus. Caucuses are win or lose, often with the winner going to the party who makes the most noise. Second, the number of states Obama won is irrelevant. If you look at any general election map, you will see that the states he won have the fewest votes in the electoral college. Pledged deligates were not awarded according to a percentage of the vote, but by a convoluted system that awards extra credit to urban areas. Wehther or not Obma can swing the states he lost in ta genearl election is open to debate.

    Posted by TGL June 4, 08 11:54 PM
  1. Why do we even bother to vote??? The super delegates decided this election. It's as bad as the electoral college and the supreme court. And they call it a democracy.

    Posted by Nan June 5, 08 12:03 AM
  1. Clinton supporters all have to ask ourselves if we can in good conscience continue to support the Democratic party. We are, in effect, being told to vote for the man who will take the best care of us, aren't we? Who wants to do that anymore?

    We are being told that McCain threatens our civil rights and will continue the war in Iraq. Well, guess what? He could only do that if Congress continues to sit on its hands and do nothing to block unacceptable SC nominees and to defund this misbegotten war in Iraq.

    If Congress will begin to act as something other than a gutless rubber stamp to dangerous policies, then we can survive 4 yrs of McCain and send a message to the Democratic establishment that they cannot take us for granted ever again.

    and if they don't get the message, then I think women had better start thinking about a third way.

    Posted by SS Massachusetts June 5, 08 12:57 AM
  1. There is nothing for which Hillary Clinton doesn't position herself. She's not the sacrificial lamb here- Obama is. She wants Obama to be the nominee this time around, knowing he isn't electable vs. McCain. That way, in 2012, she can come back and say, "It's OK, America - I'll take you back and be your nominee this time," knowing the only way she can win is versus a VERY old man.

    She'd steal a hot stove. From her grandmother.

    Anyone BUT Hillary in 2008!!

    Posted by RFP June 5, 08 01:35 AM
  1. # 49, I agree with almost everything you say. The shrillness on display among some of Hillary's rank-&-file supporters makes it even more of a relief that she didn't win. You'd think they would get the irony.

    Still, McCain is going to LOSE in November. Bet on it. The futures markets already have (see today's news), and their record is pretty good.

    Why is McCain going to lose? Much the same reason Hillary did. Because Obama has a theme and a message people can connect with, and he inspires people to get excited about their country again, and that's what people want in a president. (Does the name Reagan ring a bell?) Compared to Obama, McCain has nothing to offer. His candidacy was about something once, but has degenerated into generic GOP claptrap. It's all about which Bush tax cuts he'll fight for (pretty much all of them), whose e-mails he wants to snoop on (pretty much everyone's), and how long he'll keep trying to turn Iraq into New Jersey by force of arms (100 years, or til our economy is destroyed, whichever comes last).

    Sure, Obama doesn't have much experience and he's a bit of gamble. Well, Americans are a gambling sort of people, and experience has a damaged reputation these days since Dick Cheney has so much of it. Obama will win every state Gore did, plus Florida and Colorado and a few others, and that will be more than enough.

    Posted by John W June 5, 08 01:44 AM
  1. 1. Hillary did not win more votes. Only by her math, which excludes caucus states does one draw that conclusion. Now who's talking disenfranchisement?

    2. Obama, listen to Jimmy Carter: Picking Hillary as your running mate would be "the worst mistake."

    Posted by Stephen June 5, 08 01:47 AM
  1. 1. Hillary only won the popular vote by her math, which excludes all caucus states.
    Obviously, she's joking - but she's not! Who dis-enfranchising now?

    2. Obama: Picking her as your running mate would be "the worst mistake" you could make, quoting Jimmy Carter. Do not do it.

    Posted by Stephen June 5, 08 01:55 AM
  1. I get the distinct impression that most of these posters claiming to be bitter about Hillary's loss are actually Rush Limbaugh fans and other GOP operatives trying to fan the flames of dissent among democrats.

    Posted by JG June 5, 08 02:03 AM
  1. Seems like operation Chaos has been a complete success. The Dummocrats will be slugging this out through November, while McCain's wife is measuring the size of the drapes they'll install in the White House.

    Posted by Edwin June 5, 08 02:21 AM
  1. To skmj: You are right on. I've been trying to argue the "Hillary is just as much change" argument myself. She has indeed been sacrificed. The whole process was manipulated, partly by the media, partly by the party. And, still she came oh so close. I think she should run an independent campaign as did Joe Lieberman recently, and he pulled it off. I'd love to see 18 million votes not go to Obama in November.

    Posted by Mike Martinek June 5, 08 02:29 AM
  1. Wow ... so many Republicans in Democrat clothing trying to smear the new presumptive Democratic nominee for President. I am amused by these posts, but I assume that all the "average" people who read them realize that that it is all part of the political game for "the other side" to try to sew dissension in the ranks, right?

    If only the Democraftic machine were so effective in their propaganda, maybe we would not have had to suffer through 8 years of George Jr. Or perhaps Democrats are so gullible as to fall for such obvious divide-and-conquer tactics, in which case, they deserve what they get. But then again, I'd like to think that all the ranting that goes on these posts have zero effect on the people who read them. If you're smart enough to scroll down to the comments, you should be smart enough to ignore them. I certainly don't allow them to affect me. But once in a while I like to post a reality check.

    I'd like to hope the Republican party spends loads of dough on paying people to post here. But I'm sure elite-campus-Republican wonks do it for free. There's a word for people who give it away for free ... oh yeah ... that word might get censored.


    Posted by Andy P. June 5, 08 02:43 AM
  1. Doesn't experience stand as a significant factor for being a president? Another question, why is it that the more we learn of Barack, the more we learn that he has extreme character defects, questionnable associations, and the inability to create a strategic blueprint to dig our country out of the mess we are in. Well, as him being the democratic nomination, I guess, my vote just went to John McCain. Atleast, I know with John McCain what his record will be. Atleast, I know what his policies are and atleast I know he has years of experience. Fortunately, I know that I am not the only American who will vote Republican. America, we do not need a likebale president with no strategic ideas. We do not need to be motivated, we need a leader to act. We need Hillary Clintion! I guess AMerica just messed up again!

    Posted by Mrs. Cannon June 5, 08 08:10 AM
  1. I agree..all the haters on here are inspired by Rush Limbaugh. Get lost freaks. You're not wanted in the Democratic Party.

    Buh bye!

    Posted by LM June 5, 08 10:55 AM
  1. In order for HRC to prove that she would be the better Democratic nominee in the general election against McCain, she must prove that she can win the primary election. She failed to do that. It does not matter. She could not win the Democratic primary against what she claimed was an inexperienced opponent. Why would anyone believe she could beat McCain?

    Posted by paul June 5, 08 12:24 PM
  1. The positions and arguments taken in number 106 are so ridiculous that they must be part of a right wing conspiracy. Let's see "I don't know what I am getting by voting for Obama so I will vote for McCain because I already know what he will do . . . . continue screwing up the country with his self serving conservative agenda. He is a very experienced POW. I don't believe Obama ever was a POW so maybe you are right.

    Posted by paul June 5, 08 12:35 PM
  1. since the begining the media's bashing on senator Clinton was clear they did not want a woman in the White House sorry to say this country still being run by men
    she has the experience and the knowhow, if you have forgoten we had the best economy when the Clintons were in the White House, they were stabbed in the back by the super delegates and as one of the comments said the popular vote should be the one that counts and I will feel very bad when I fill in the dot for McCain in November but we have to do what we have to do, since I feel betray by the Democratic Party, why should I vote when my vote does not count. I felt very proud the first time that I was able to vote when I became a naturalized citizen but now I am not so sure anymore

    Posted by myra. June 5, 08 06:54 PM
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