Clinton wins in Puerto Rico, but chances narrowing

If Senator Clinton wins the Democratic nomination by "working the superdelegates" it will be a pyrrhic victory, not because she won't win the fall election, but because she will be unable to govern. There will be so much bitter feeling and lost energy and disillusionment among the disenfranchised Democrats that the Republicans will once again be able to divide and conquer.

If Hillary Clinton loves America, she may consider trying to fight Republicans instead of the process.

She keeps winning and he keeps getting delegates. Something is really wrong with the entire Democratic system it would seem. The momentum is clearly hers. I think the Dems are putting themselves in position to fail again by giving the nod to BO and his following of religous fanatics.

“Clinton is trying to keep her options open and the negotiating path clear, but has suggested that if she isn’t offered the vice presidential nomination perhaps that could complicate her level of enthusiasm for the nominee.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/01/clinton-set-to-emerge-victorious-but-even-puerto-ricans-unconvinced-of-her-candidacy/

What will die-hard Hillary supporters do if she is Obama’s VP selection?

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

http://klintons.com

If by law the voters can not vote for a presidential candiate in the november 4th election. what is so important about who and how many voters a candidates gets. If they have no vote in the National election, it might as well be a beauty contest
Regards, Jack

Stay in the race!

Hillary should quit the race and prepare for the next presidential race in 2012. If she keep fighting this race, she will loss her senator seat in the next senate election like Edward.

So what. Puerto Rico "popular vote" has absolutely no influence on the General Election, since they don't vote in the GE.

So why do they even vote in the Primary? Doesn't make sense.

To be fair, if PR's votes get counted in the popular vote tally, then all the Rush Limbaugh provoked crossover Republican votes for Hillary in Operation Chaos should be deducted. That would give her about 500,000 less votes.

Why isn't anyone talking about the illegal Republican votes she received?

she had lost a long time ago, but by cheating and using unlawful ways has been trying to gain the Nom.HRC thinks it is her right o get the PR, because she and her husband betrayed us in 2000 and 2004 in a deal to get the next 8 years of Pr.
Bush,Clinton divided the kingdom of America between themselves. 8 years of this and 8 years of that . America vote for either MC.or Obama and prove this is not an Arabic country

The youth, the future and money are on Obama´s side. Hillary has the machine and the old party bonzos who will pull every trick to keep her going. What started as an election is now a farce thanks to Hillary and Bill. God help America!

Hillary should stay in the Race!
She obviously has the Latino vote behind her as well as women and working Americans--three groups the Dems need to win in the general election.
I hope the super delegates wake up and vote as the rules tell them to- for the best candidate--and last time I checked that meant experience---as well as the candidate with the best opportunity to beat the Republicans in the Fall.
And that is so obviously Senator Hillary Clinton!

Bottom line is that DNC cannot implement any "half vote" formula in the general election, though they may do so for Florida and Michigan.

"1.5 times vote" formula if implemented in general election probably help democrat win, no matter who the nominee may be.

Excuse my yawn, but...So what?

isn't it true that Hillary has more of the popular vote than Obama, but Obama has been playing the rules, so he's picking up more electoral votes even when he loses a state, which is minimizing his losses.

The DNC should think about changing the rules.

We'll see what happens.

Speaking of pyrrhic victories, how about the DNC's stacking the deck to nominate the candidate who not only cannot win in November but whose campaign will probably divide the country as bitterly as it has the Democratic party?

This party will not unite in the fall. The greatest irony is that Obama has turned into a more polarizing candidate than Hillary Clinton. He is unelectable, and it's going to be ugly.

I think Hillary should abide by the rules of the democratic party since the party is bigger than the two candidates campaigning for the party's ticket. The earlier Hillary's camp accept the reality on ground the better for her and her chances of retaining her seat in the senate next term. Politics is not a do or die affair, you win some you loss some,there is always another time.

Hillary is just like any Third World dictator or "President for Life". There's no difference between her and guys like Robert Mugabe, Papa Doc, Castro, Samoza, or Fulgencio Batista. Once scum like that get into power they refuse to give it up. That raving Catholic priest was right about what he said about her. She's a disgrace to America.

The whole "momentum" arguement is a hollow one. As tired and overused as sports analogies are I am still about to use one. If this were a football game and a team was well in the lead after 3 quarters what difference does it make that their opponent has a strong 4th quarter? It is the final score that matters not the supposed strength of a late rally. If there was a 5th quarter then Hillary might well win but now the game is all but over now and she has clearly lost. The term "sore loser" seems most appropriate.

Whether or not she can muster the dignity to put her self interests aside and work hard to keep McCain out of the White House remains to be seen.

I have to admit as a resident of NYS, I am beginning to wonder if we will ever have two US Senators again. I think she should come back to NYS now, even if she only used us as a stepping stone. She is a terrific hardworker and we are happy to have her back if she thinks being a US Senator is a good job. (Good Lord. Imagine thinking it is not...oooboy. Hard to relate, huh?)

It pains me the audacity that the Clinton campaign display in regards to FL and MI. It is apparent to everyone that Clinton was attempting to rewrite the rule books and change the games now that she was losing. She and her husband are a sad case, pathetic in their own right.

It’s evident that Clinton was bested by someone who is better and does not use his race, gender, or lack of experience as a ticket to the white house. She should read the blogs and comments from most of the news sources.

The majority of the Democratic Party is turning on her and your husband. Hillary Clinton is a sad Clinton, and the epitome of what the Clinton's represent.

So votes were given to Obama, and he wasn't even on the ballot - which was his choice, he could have remained on the ballot. So affirmative action is alive and well in the Democrat Party. The proper action for MI would have been to give Clinton the delegates that she won, but at only 1/2 each. The rest would have remained uncommitted until the convention at which time they would still have their floor vote - at half each again.

What the DNC just did was hand the November election to McCain. Because the American people have such short memories, all he has to do is go back to his old ways that a good number of Democrats actually liked. He does have six months to do that, and just watch him, he will.

As a latino, I hate that Clinton won puerto rico....I'll tell you why....

I mourn the death of the democratic party. I read that a Clinton supporter pushed over an Obama supporter after the DNC decision. When the party has been divided to the point of physical aggressiveness, I no longer believe a united party is possible. When the primaries began, I really liked HRC but I can not forgive her for dividing the party for her own political ends. Note that I'm not talking about her continuing her campaign...she has every right to do so...I'm talking about her encouraging arguments that people who don't want her in office are sexist. I'm talking about her various lies (oops, I meant she misspoke...). I'm talking about her actively trying to make Obama un-electable even though it is more than likely he will clinch the nomination. At this point she is acting as a wedge between the two sides of the democratic party. I will say the following in the hope that people will see reason (though sadly I know they won't).

If Clinton can not be elected because she is a woman, why was she the clear favorite when the primaries began? If sexism were really a factor, no one would have ever believed her to have any kind of chance, and yet, it is well known that until Obama made a splash everybody thought Clinton would win, not only the nomination, but the presidency (and we liked that idea). It is irrelevant to most of us that she is a woman. It is simply not a factor.

As for complaints against Obama...the only one that seems to have anything to do with politics is that he is inexperienced. He can not control what other people say and should not be held responsible for a couple of stupid clergymen. As for his inexperience, the man has raised record amounts of money, gained the support of the majority of the democratic party, and furthermore, had enough knowledge and wisdom to oppose the war from the beginning (even before he was elected). It sounds to me that whatever experience he has is better than Clinton, who in contrast lost the support of the majority of the party, had to donate her own money to her political campaign, voted for the war, failed to get anything done in terms of healthcare in all her years of "experience" and most recently got many of her followers to forsake the democratic party and favor McCain rather than have Obama take the presidency.

Puerto Rico, you have disappointed me.

Give up Hillary.

I'm an old white woman who's voting for Obama and there are a bunch of us out there.

"If Hillary Clinton loves America, she may consider trying to fight Republicans instead of the process."

If Barack Obama loves America, and respects the Democratic Party, he should soon make a speech (the only thing he's shown that he's good at) saying, "I'd like to be President, but I've realized that I'm completely unqualified for the job at this time. I'm asking you to vote for Hillary Clinton. I'll serve as her Vice-President if she asks me, and I hope to learn enough in the next eight years to someday be President myself."

But that would require humility and courage, two qualities he sorely lacks.

Let's join together to free ourselves of the Cheney-Bush-McCain war, and all the
dishonesty and corruption.

So HRC moved the goal post but they didn't give her the goal...
I used to like her... I'm glad I got to see her true colors!

I'll vote for McCain before putting her in the White House.
The only reason I would vote democrat (for Obama) is because I want other americans to enjoy the standard of living I enjoy and realize the American dream I have.
I'm willing to pay more taxes if that is what it takes but I will not compromise my believes voting for somebody as crooked as HRC and her clan.
I don't care what she promises. It is obvious she can spin ANYTHING to win.

I voted for Senator Clinton but now I would like her to quit and start supporting Senator Obama so we don't have to put up with the republican "stay-the-wrong-course" policy for another term. We had two too many.

Senator Clinton has the right to stay in the race but an aspiring leader should also know when to quit gracefully. If popular vote (by Clinton definition) alone mattered, then Al Gore's popular vote (by universal definition) should have earned him presidency two terms ago.

Also, Senator Clinton doesn't seem to honor the party rules leading me to believe that she is neither a good listener nor a team player -- both necessary qualities in a leader. If she quits now and starts uniting the electorate for Senator Obama's nomination and election, she will show us that she is genuinely concerned about solving the issues facing us. Then and only then does she stand a better chance for getting elected in a future term.

It's very simple - FL and MI Democratic officials flouted the DNC rules about the dates of their primaries. They were punished for it.
The Clinton campaign needs to get over it - rules are rules. They should feel fortunate that the Rules Committee did not decide to keep their delegations OUT of the convention.
As I have said over and over again - it is time for unity in the Democratic Party. A credentials fight at the convention will make the 1968 Chicago convention look like a tea party and GUARANTEE a lopsized victory for the Republicans in November.
Get over it, Messrs. Ickes and McAuliffe!

I am trying to convince my family, not to vote for Senator Obama. In my eyes he condemned himself, when he stated he would signed into law a AMNESTY, for illegal foreign nationals.

But my family needs Universal health care from Hillary, after my daughter died from Cancer. Read his betrayal at his site: http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060504-immigration_ral/

Dear Democrats,
Wake me up when you have a nominee. I thought you were supposed to be the smart ones.

Sincerely,
A registered Republican vowed to vote Democrat this November.

Hunter S. Thompson was right about the Clintons. They will do anything they can to get or keep power, regardless of who they have to trample. Michgan & Florida were defiant in the face of the DNC by not sticking to the planned primary process, and those two states knew up front the choice they were making. Obama went by the party rules, and Clinton did a two-face, and continued to try to pick up votes there, obviously so that now she can make an issue of it. She should be happy she's getting anything from there. Obama is showing class, which is more than could ever be said about a Clinton. And besides, since 1981 there's been either a Bush or a Clinton in office - I find it hard to believe that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only two families fit to rule. Wake up people!

Here is one independent who is so sick of the Democrats and how they hijacked the whole nomination process from actual voters. Yes, in Florida and Michigan, party leaders made a decision to defy rules but why should the voters of these two states be denied their say - they should not be punished the ones making the decision to hold the primaries should. I vowed not to vote for a Republican in this next election after eight years of George Bush. But now with the Dems force feeding us a super liberal of the Dukakis and McGovern ilk - one who cannot succeed without more tax dollars, I will reluctantly hold my nose and vote for McCain. We do not need a President after years of turmoil (such as after Watergate and the economic shocks of the 70s) with a President similar to Jimmy Carter who was rampant with inexperience, who sent interest rates up over 10%, and, who mismanaged our problems in the Mideast (remember the Iranian hostage crisis?), perfect setup for an Obama Presidency - I can see the Chinese marching into Taiwan, etc.) Wake up America we are headed for a steep slide downhill......

What Hillary did not understand was how to win this nomination. She was the candidate with all the initial advantages especially a network of political support in such places as RI, NY, OH, PA and PR. Unfortunately she did not offer the Democrats what is needed this year in order to win, that is 2008 kind of thinking. Clinton drew the electoral map according to 2000 and 2004 maps which Bush won. Her candidacy was to out-Bush the Republicans where she would win the election with 50.5 to 51% of the vote. Obama drew the map according to who are most disillusioned with Bush and will win with 53 to 55%, which means not winning FL and WV but winning VA, NC, IA ,CO, NM, and probably MO. There are some other states that will possibly go to Obama like NV, NE (partial), ND, SC, GA with the latter two being less likely. Obama's approach was new and worked.

The misgivings and regrets that are expressed by Hillary and supporters, e.g. Paul Robertson, are as a result of not realizing that things are going to be different this year. The winning electoral map will be different than Bill Clinton's map or the inverse of Bush's. Clinton did not realize that there really is change going on and Obama did. That is why Clinton did not win. The superdelegates understand this and they have moved to Obama.

I personally could care less how Puertto Rico votes. Am I the only one?? I also will not vote for Barack if he chooses Hillary as his VP, and I have been a supporter of his from the beginning.

Hillary has won the popular vote. ToAll the democrats that says that does not matter..do you remember the 2000 Presidential election? Did the popular vote matter to you then??

hillary and her supporters are delusional. if obama has all these demographic challenges, then hillary has ones far greater. last i checked, obama is winning and will win the contest. how is it that he has accomplished this without women, hispanics and the poor supporting him?

additionally, SHE DOES NOT LEAD THE POPULAR VOTE jeremy. her math is incorrect. not surprising given her failure to lead her campaign (see downplaying caucuses, operating on 30 million in debt, the lies, etc.). her newest commercial counts michigan votes she initially said would not matter when she anticipated rolling over any challenger; and it does NOT count the caucus votes that do count. so

What strikes me about Florida and Michigan is that the voters are being punished for what the Democratic leaders in those states did. Have they disciplined? I doubt it. As to the order of primaries, it seems idiotic to let a few states decide year after year who has to leave the race. Look what happened to a good man like John Edwards. The DNC needs to go to a Bingo game. That way they could see how easy it would be to put 54 little balls with the names of states on them. Or, even better, let's do the primary thing exactly like we do the general election. As a confirmed Democrat I WILL NOT RENEW MY MEMBERSHIP. It has nothing to do with Hilary or Barak, but with the "good old boys in the back room" deals that exist because of the "superdelegate" idea. Exhaused in Texas

This primary win means nothing. One: They don't vote in the General Election. Two: They had one of the lowest voter turnouts than in recent elections. There are over 2M registered voters on the island and 450K showed up... Three: Hill is living off of Bill's popularity there. Barack will win Montana and South Dakota. Game Over...Hillary fans enjoy the next two days until those contests end. Thanks for playing...

Gladly all Democrats will have several months before November 4 to coolly decide whether electing a pro-war, anti-choice, lobbyist-beholden, George Bush-hugging former maverick is the appropriate salve to the emotional trauma of a primary loss. If you can bring yourself to betray the public interest by voting GOP in the fall then you probably should have been with that party all along.

Voted for Hillary. Voting McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

Barack Obama is not president-worthy candidate. He does not have the experience. The times are too dangerous for such a candidate. Barack is very similar to Bush in terms of foreign policy experience. He may be smarter than Bush but, we have paid enough price for such a mistake. I don't understand his reasoning on why he would have chosen to not authorize the war when the conventional wisdom was that Saddam was building WMD. Besides, the vote was meant to add teeth to the diplomatic efforts with Saddam. Bush misused it but Barack's vote would not have been the right one at that time. I won't be surprised if Barack wishes to hold talks with Osama bin laden.

Republican party has been hijacked by right wing whackos. Democratic party is being hijacked by left wing nut jobs.

Is there a third way?? I am craving for it.

When did BO win last?...was it March?...isn't it on the strength of the caucus states where party bosses rule that he holds the lead?...don't you know those ignorant, racists in the hick states just don't know any better... would love to know how many of the elites who think that way live in towns where there are people of color...few I wager! and how many of those scorn the folks who voted for Hillary when they themselves would go miles out of their way to avoid driving through the "bad" part of town...or would crossing the street rather that pass that scary black teenager on the sidewalk...it's very interesting to me how quick these entitled folks are to label others as racists as they stroke themselves for their righteous support of the black candidate...the hippocracy of it is sickening.

I would hate for Hillary to teach math to students. If i am winning you calculate it this way, if not, another way.
She has tried so many things, told lies, distorted facts, tried to change rules, damaged the Democratic Party, all for the sake of winning.
How could anyone want a person with so many masks, no integrity
running our country? How can anyone trust her?

Face it ... the Democrats in an election year that was theirs to lose are going to nominate a black liberation, Marxist supported and far left candidate to run on their ticket. Could the Republican Party ever ask for a better gift than an opposing candidate whose red, green and black colors host a clenched fist and red star in the middle? Think thats hyperbole? This campaign hasn't even started. Add Louis Farrakan, the New Black Panther Party, William Ayers and the endorsements of Castro, Iran, Hamas and Chavez and we have a severe abandonment of historic Democratic constituencies (not to mention his anti-semite PLO connections)

Hillary did not win the popular vote! You need to stop repeating that fallacy. Hillary is losing because she did not run a strong and smart enough campaign. She took too many things for granted; she caused herself to be in the situation that she is in. If she cannot even have a winning strategy against a virtual new commer, how can you trust her to have any new ideas on running the country. Barack Obama and his advisers were smarter and more shrewd than the Clintons, that is what politics is about. You can say what you want about his "inexperience" , but you cannot take away the fact that he out smarted the Cintons. I think he deserves kuddos and a fair chance at the American Presidency!

Before the HRC backers get their knickers in a twist, one must remember that HRC does not make the election rules. She is just a participant. She has fooled her hard working uneducated supporters into believing she has the most popular vote. Yet not one of her supporters can do the math that proves her point. Not one of her advisors have supported their numbers with facts.

She is just shouting in the wind to any uneducated hard working Americans they will listen to her gibberish.

Please, God, Mrs. Clinton. Please understand this: YOU CANNOT WIN, unless you cheat. End of story.

You are nearly 200 delegates behind your competitor. Your popular vote claim is... dubious, at best. You keep moving the goalposts, and threatening to exercise some sort of "nuclear option" to clinch the nomination.

Please, please, please... if you really care about the people and wellbeing of this nation more than you care about feeding your own ego, PLEASE drop out gracefully after Tuesday's primaries. There's no way you'll be able to win on Tuesday, but at least you can save some face.

Please? Please don't continue down this path, which will pretty much guarantee a McCain win?

HRC is really just making a mockery of herself if she does not withdraw on Wednesday morning. At this point she is nothing but a joke. Her math is fantastical at best, and her arguments are queasy. Super-delegates will coalesce around the rightful nominee who has done nothing but play the game fairly since it began.

In December, Clinton was expecting the contest to be over February 5th. She did not plan for any of the contests after that, and she lost 11 in a row. It was at this point that it became apparent the strength and dignity that the Obama campaign has. Following this, the campaign raised oodles of cash, survived Wright, Ayers and bittergate, and wile coming in second in a few later states, has still managed to keep an insurmountable lead. He has won the votes from all classes of people: racial classes, economic classes, gender.

In the meantime, Clinton did not lose gracefully. During February, her aids claimed that the states Obama won “did not matter” because they were too small or held caucuses. They racked up huge debts and begged children to sell their bikes to donate to the campaign. They played race card, claiming that only she could win WHITE working class voters. They played the age card, saying she could only win older voters. They tried to begin class warfare by pitting the “working class” against other in the Democratic Party. Clinton has been nothing but divisive and self-serving, attempting to bend the rules at every corner to suit her own goal. When she won small states, they suddenly mattered, even though they didn’t in February. Kentucky mattered only because she won it. Wisconsin didn’t matter because Obama won it.

If you are on here posting as a Clinton supporter, ask yourself this: How can you be so blind and threatening to not vote or vote for McCain when Obama is on the ticket? Are you a woman feeling scorned? Do you think McCain will be fairer to womens rights than Obama? Are you older and believe Obama is not qualified? Would you rather have McCain’s foreign policy and 4-8 more years of Bush? What lessons haven’t we learned as Americans over the past 8 years? Bitterness does not serve our country well, and you all should think long and hard at your decision come November. And remember just who was divisive and bitter during this campaign.