DNC leaders doubt appeal on delegates

I had counted on a single, but whole vote. I will not vote in November.

Um sure....don't vote. That will show them.

Poor baby...

Sheila, you are only helping the Republicans with that statement. We need every vote in the GE. Please rethink it. Do you really want 4 more years of the same problems?

How sad Sheila... do you hold your breath too when you don't get ice cream?

Don't blame Obama or the DNC for what happened. Please help me get the health insurance my family needs, and put aside the fact that FL and MI were penalized. Take it out on your State, not on our best hope for the next 4 years.

Don't badger us and call us names. Give us labels as racist, dumb, stupid, or uneducated during the primary election in order to get your candidate into office. John McCain knows fiscal responsibility. He knows how to work across party lines (and so far, Obama has no proof that he once claimed that he worked across party lines) John McCain has worked the immigration bill with the democratics, health bills, and the national transportations bill with democratcs. So, four more years of hte same thing? Are you really buying into that? Not all republicans are the same. They are different like every democrat. But I rather have John McCain over Barack Obama becaues its simple, John McCain has the experience tenacity to become president and Barack Obama got elected undemocratically. So no, I will not do my part in voting for an undemocratic presidential nominee. Too late to mend fences, we have all mended our minds. Your candidate is doomed.

Barb - Good comments. Sheila is obviously frustrated, and somewhat rightfully so (it wasn't the voters who changed the date). But there is also the unarguable fact that both Clinton and Obama agreed in the January/February timeframe that they would not seat the votes. Then when it became a number in an equation, the rules changed.
Your issue should be taken up with your state legislature, who approved the move in the first place. Maybe you should make sure your Karl Rove Republicans in your state houses get replaced. That's where your anger should be focused.

My guess is that if someone counted on a single or whole vote, they assumed that even though MIchigan and Florida flipped the DNC off, they should have counted anyway...I think giving them anything is simply not right. Your state leaders knew what they were getting into when they did it. Blame them...Then to go on top it off with "I am not voting" is simply immature...(I am going to hold my breath until I turn blue"...
McCain is the wrong direction to take, look at his record, he is nothing more than another Bush in disguise. He will not be elected, even if you were to vote for him.

Goodbye for a while republicans

SOME women are being so silly and selfish about this primary race. Obama won fairly and has been very respectful of Clinton the whole campaign. Sure, some of his supporters have been harsh, but many more of hers have been and so has she.

No one "STOLE" this from Hillary and ruined the chance to elect a woman. If anything, it was the men in her campaign who blew it (Penn, Ickes, McAuliffe, Bubba). Given how the 2 campaigns were run, Obama just had a better campaign operation. Many women wanted the chance to elect a first, so did African Americans. We should not be divided on this electing either one opens the door for the other. It's not about whose first, just that we are willing to crack that glass ceiling.

When the first woman is nominated, she will surely require the majority of the Black vote, so what the women do in 2008, just might come back on them in the future. I suggest they vote wisely. If Blacks conclude that women caused Obama to lose the GE, it won't soon be forgotten.

As a native New Yorker and 2 time volunteer for Hillary's Senate campaigns, I never understood why people said she was divisive. It's not Hillary, but her supporters who divide people.

Too many people seem to have forgotten how the Clintons reached this point in history: scandals, misperceptions and political games. (Hmm... sounds eerily similar to the antics of the Bush administration; doesn't it)

As an independent, I don't have a horse in the Democratic Party race, but I do have an interest in ethical, consistent implementation of the nominating process. The Clintons, apparently, do not. They are "win at all costs" politicians who cannot believe that the American people have evidently chosen someone other than them to compete in November. (I employ the plural pronouns because history and their own testimony tells us that the Bill and Hillary are a package deal. )

Hillary conveniently now overlooks her own support of the DNC's punishment for Florida and Michigan, as her campaign in September, 2007, clearly stated that these early primaries wouldn't count. When hers was a candidacy "assured" of the nomination, she conceded that folks who break the rules shouldn't be rewarded. Today, she's a champion of the people whose votes she was ready to discard last fall. Political expediency demands that she do so, not an overwhelming concern for the democratic rule of law.

HRC also seeks to re-interpret Democratic Party rules for the nomination of its candidate, diverting attention from total delegate count to popular vote totals. Of course, the Democrats created this circuitous, convoluted method by which to allot delegates. Caucuses, delegates by precinct, split returns - all of these eccentricities contribute to the confusion. They have created their bed, now they must collectively lie in it.

The bottom line for HRC is clear - she ran an extremely poor campaign and now must pay the price. Had she begun the primary season pushing the message that she now seems to have stumbled upon, Hillary may well be the nominee. Her only choices now are losing gracefully or pursuing a nomination which cannot, and should not, be hers. Her campaign continues its political sabre rattling with threats to take the fight to the convention floor and the Credentials committee. What a shame!

One can only hope that her political ego and cantankerous ex-president of a husband don't fog her view of reality. She has lost, albeit very closely, and must now fall on her sword instead.

"do you hold your breath too when you don't get ice cream"

Don't pretend you are some poor witch somewhere. You're one of those housewives who let a hung blk brother screw them up the butt**ks when their husbands are hard at work trying to support a family.

I think all you women who feel this black man stole your hillary's presidency shouldn't vote for him. That will show them- and by them I mean your daughters/granddaughters who won't be able to get legal abortions after you help the conservatives put a few more supreme court justices in.

How do you figure MI to be fair the way they divided it up? It'd be like hitting the lottery without buying a ticket because you intended to buy those numbers!

stephen, not to mention the time when hilary teamed up with mccain to bash on obama. it's time we throw away what's rotten and bring in the new and the fresh. we need a leader, not an angry goat. from what i've observed so far, obama has led the most clean campaign although that controversy over the pastor was a stumbling block. i just think all in all, we need a leader of integrity and good moral character who i think is obama. and believe it or not, i'm actually a registered republican... haha

Rules are Rules Folks. Thank the wisdom of our party for following the rules and not bowing to the pressure.

As for the race. We should all be proud of our party. Lord help us if people are so...(I would use the word bitter, but it seems to be a bit unpopular at the moment) disenchanted? That they would take their ball and go home.

I suppose I would feel a bit hurt as well and, I understand the emotions. But seriously folks. The only ones to blame is the state reps in FL and MI. They wanted the spot light. They got it. FL; GET IT TOGETHER!

One mo

IMHO, the last 4 years were hoisted upon the people by the Republicans, with the grace of God. It is now the turn of the Democrats, with the help of God, too! Tit 4 Tat.

THIS ISSUE IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN OBAMA OR HILLARY CLINTON
THE DNC HAS LET DOWN THE COUNTRY AND THE PARTY AND I FOR
ONE SEE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICIANS OR
SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC PARTIES . I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE IT IS
TIME FOR A CHANGE A BIG CHANGE LIKE A THIRD PARTY . I
A PARTY OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE
AN OLD FASHIONED IDEA WHOSE TIME MUST COME
CALL ME NIEVE.GOD BLESS AMERICIA THE AMERICIA OF THE
DRAFTERS OF OUR CONSTITUTION TO THINK OF ALL THE THOUSANDS
OF AMERICIANS WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR BASIC
RIGHTS AND HARD EARNED LIBERTIES JUST TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN
IN AMERICIA THE DNC SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR SELLING OUT OUR
SYSTEM OF GOVERMENT

My dear sweet Barbarascousin,

What is this high school? Your deflecting the issue and using overly graphic shock tactics to prove your point? Who says things like that when discussing politics? Hmm let me think people who don't know any better. Stop being crass and pick up a newspaper.

When you can teach us stupid dumb Barack Obama's supporters a lesson by using shear facts that we can't tackle, then maybe you should input your two cents. Until then, maybe you should pay more attention to reality.

Don't blame the DNC or the candidates themselves. Plame your state party for placing your primary on a date that they knew would result in a forfeiture of delegates.

FL and MI parties have thrown this entire Dem primary in disarray because of their selfishness. Those two state parties owe everyone an apology

There is an obvious "mob mentality" going on here... ganging up on Shiela.

Congratulations once more Obamabots. You are the personification of the Democratic Party, in that even when you win, you will find a way to lose!

You don't know how to be gracious winners, and this will be your downfall in the Fall. You know you cannot win without Hillary's supporters, so learn to be a bit kinder, and stop spewing vitriol.

There are 18 million of us, just as there are 18 million of you. So accept THAT! And we can, and may just exercise that vote to defeat you!

Sounds to me like Hillary, her surrogates & supporters are very BITTER.
I don't remember Obama or any of his supporters bringing up race or sex or assassinations, or her passed to try to win votes.
I don't remember Obama asking for EVERY VOTE TO BE COUNTED - oh except those votes that don't count because they weren't for me!
Don't forget quite a few Repub's voted for Hillary to keep this nomination fight going and to split the party. So we don't have a true idea of the actual numbers who voted for her.
Not to mention FL and MI - how many more voters would have turned out to vote for either candidate - so we don't have an accurate idea of numbers there either.
Is Hillary really saying that out of 17,000,000 voters - none of them will vote for Obama - unless she let's them or tells them too - is that a demorcracy?
So all these strong, independant, women/Latinos/working class white voters in 2008 are going to wait to be told what to do - how interesting and VERY SCARY!
Surely Hilary supporters are Democrats first, and don't BELONG to Hillary - do they have free will, do they have free choice - are they going to use that choice, or be used as bargaining chips?
Why the hell are our young children being killed and blown to pieces in Iraq after getting rid of a dictator - when the Democratic party is being held hostage by one of their own!

Thank you DNC! Again your inept incompetent actions have probably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Like magic, you gave Senator Obama votes when he had none. The voters didn't vote for him at the time they voted, it wasn't the voter's fault the DNC screwed up. The votes were cast for Senator Clinton, she should have been the recipient of the votes that were cast. Your actions disrespected the will of the voters who after all should be the ones who decide who will represent them. Perhaps the actions of this nomination period truly exhibit the reasons why the democratic party has such a miserable election record since the days of JFK. With the judgment exhibited it will probably be necessary to purge the DNC in order to obtain the competence necessary to win.

I would like to add my appeal for reconsideration of the the 5/31/08 Rules Committee DECISION ON MICHIGAN AND fLORIDA.

WITH A NEW UNBIASED CHAIRMAN SELECTED BY THE CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE,

ALEXIS HERMAN HAD A CONFLICY\T OF INTEREST BIG TIME AND SHOULD BY PARIAMENTARY RULES RECUSED HERSELF. The meetng should be void. Period. Ms Herman had worked as an aide for Bill Clinton and was involved in an involved "conflict of influence" lawsuit She was later exxonerated.

Her animosity, however, couldn't have helped but "carry over" to the point of erring on the side of Obama in the distrution of delegates as between obama and Clinton. This would have made a big difference in otther delegate decisions as well.