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Obama goes wonky, McCain goes negative

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor June 26, 2008 10:31 AM

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton may still have quite a bit of fence-mending to do.

Still, wrapping up his three-week economic tour, Obama today is holding the kind of wonkfest that would warm the heart of the former president, who became famous for holding a series of them during his 1992 campaign.

The "summit on ensuring America’s competitiveness in the global economy" at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, according to Obama's campaign, "will bring together economic, educational, community-based, and industry leaders to discuss the challenges facing our workforce and craft solutions for the 21st century."

In introductory remarks, the presumptive Democratic nominee says he's been listening on his cross-country tour to the stories of Americans struggling to make ends meet.

"It’s time for us to recognize that these individual stories connect to a larger American story," he says in prepared remarks. "All of us have a stake in our common prosperity. When folks are struggling out on Main Street, that pain is going to trickle up to Wall Street. And just as we must provide relief to Americans who are struggling, we also have to recognize that we’re failing to put ourselves in a position to compete in the global economy."

To fix that, Obama says, means alternative energy to free America from foreign oil, providing world-class education and affordable healthcare, and improving the nation's infrastructure, among other priorities.

In a pre-buttal to Obama's appearance, Republicans in a conference call on Wednesday argued that Obama's economic proposals would harm America.

The local GOP chairman, Jim Roddey, even made reference to Obama's much-dissected remarks during the primaries about struggling to connect with small-town voters in Pennsylvania who, "bitter" about their economic fate, "cling" to guns or religion.

“I don’t know maybe [Obama’s] punishing us for still being bitter or something, but for Pennsylvania, I think his proposals are an absolute disaster,” Roddey said.

Republican John McCain, meanwhile, plans a town hall meeting in Cincinnati -- the latest in a series where he challenged Obama to appear.

His campaign has also issued a strongly worded memo in which senior adviser Steve Schmidt argues that "Too many in Washington are putting politics first and country second."

"For John McCain, country first is how he has lived his life and how he has worked in Washington," the memo says.

As for Obama, while "certainly a fresh face, his campaign offers more of the same old typical politics that have broken Washington. In his time on the national stage, he has consistently put his party and his self-interest first."

Schmidt cites as evidence Obama's reversal last week on public financing for the general election, his rejection of McCain's invitation to the joint town halls, and his loyalty to liberal activists on Iraq and energy policy.

"There has never been a time when Barack Obama has bucked the party line to lead on an issue of national importance," Schmidt writes. "He has never been a part of a bipartisan group that came together to solve a controversial issue. He has never put his career on the line for a cause greater than himself."

UPDATE: The Democratic National Committee responded with a memo of its own, citing a series of polls that suggest that many voters believe McCain would mean a third term for President Bush and don't trust him on issues.

"Four months after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain has still failed to connect with the American people," the memo says. "As recent polls show, Senator McCain has not made inroads with voters on key issues of character and values as voters continue to view Senator McCain as out of touch."

101 comments so far...
  1. Republicans think obama would hurt america. Republicans think america is them.

    Posted by fernando canavati June 26, 08 10:28 AM
  1. How do "alternative energy to free America from foreign oil, providing world-class education and affordable healthcare, and improving the nation's infrastructure, among other priorities" equal "an absolute disaster," specifically for the people in Pennsylvania?

    Posted by Stu June 26, 08 10:32 AM
  1. Note that McCain's townhall challenge has stipulations about who attends them, namely republicans and McCain supporters.

    Posted by Babcock June 26, 08 10:36 AM
  1. I like Sen.Obama, and as a registered Democrat I will vote for him in Nov. HOWEVER, it was Hillary Clinton who encouraged him to run in the first place.
    I hope he will remember that when it comes time to choose a "running mate"!

    Posted by Adele Kress June 26, 08 10:39 AM
  1. After the debacle that has been the Bush administration, the Republicans are qualified to determine what is good for America? We are in a war we shouldn't be in, our economy is crumbling while we continue to provide welfare for the wealthy and corporate America. Meanwhile the economic gap between the wealthy and the poor continues to widen as the middle class disappears. History tells us we are heading down a dangerous path, and I am scared for what the future holds for my young kids. At least Obama represents a chance for a different path, and I am willing to take that chance.

    Posted by Ken June 26, 08 10:39 AM
  1. A McCain presidency would be a continuation of the Bush nightmare. And due to the deep streams of racism in this country, I think that is what we are in for.

    Posted by Shelly Quigley June 26, 08 10:39 AM
  1. obama shouldn't even debate this old, useless, McCain. nobody would even want to go and see him in his boring speeches. so he wants to ride on obam's popular talks? what a complete looser this guy and the rest of trash gun clinging americans are.

    Posted by alex June 26, 08 10:40 AM
  1. I doubt Obama would be bad for America, I think Obama would be bad for the working people of America. How it goes with Main Street (the working people) goes with Wall Street. Taking from one group and giving to another doesn't help the anyone -- it doesn't make sense. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

    Posted by William Harris June 26, 08 10:41 AM
  1. Some Americans think Obama would hurt America, some think McCain will. I think all Americans are the United States of America, and we will hurt or benefit ourselves not based on whom we vote for, but by our collective action or inaction on all challenges we face. Get involved, which includes more than lumping Americans into two groups and disparaging one side or the other.

    Posted by Peter J Patneaude June 26, 08 10:44 AM
  1. Obama has a resume of accomplishments that could fit on the back of a index card in 28pt font. And this is the guy that Democrats are all foamy about? Boy the USA is in for trouble if he gets elected. He talks a good game but doesn't have any concrete proof that he has actually followed thru on ANY of his proposals!

    Posted by Realist2008 June 26, 08 10:47 AM
  1. It is very difficult for people who have always been in power to contemplate that they are rapidly becoming the outmoded paradigm in this country.

    Posted by Lynda Wiegan June 26, 08 10:51 AM
  1. If a candidate has issues and policies, he runs on those issues and policies. If he doesn't, well, all he can do is attack the other. For someone who is trying to pass himself off as a reformer, McCain sure is doing a lot of attacking. Maybe it's because he has no issues to run on that are any different than Bush.

    Posted by Ben Nguyen June 26, 08 10:51 AM
  1. Obama has some good ideas but he wants to impose them on us with higher taxes. If he has heard from so many struggling Americans (Republican and I'm sure mostly Democratic) he should know that the last thing we can afford is higher taxes! Lower taxes and give private industry incentives to work on solutions to the problems we face but DO NOT take more money out of my pockets because all that will do is make it more of a struggle. Good ideas poorly implemented just add up to poor results. When will America ever learn?

    Posted by Struggling American June 26, 08 10:52 AM
  1. The Republicans have hurt this country severely. Since Regan wimped out in Beirut, single handedly broke the banking system, and the airline industry, Bush has continued in his footsteps. Bush has brought about world unrest because of his oil policies (including using corn rather than switch grass for bio-fuel), his war with Muslims, and his lousy economic policies.

    What will McCain do? Sell America to China? I also don't believe that becoming a prisoner of war is heroic. Not becoming a prisoner is heroic, fighting on is heroric.
    So Obama may not be perfect, but he is a far better choice than ANY Republican will ever be.

    Posted by Jerry Cardim June 26, 08 10:52 AM
  1. Could you please report on more than what the party hacks are saying about their opponents and actually do some of the research yourself as independent third party observers? I'm so sick of hearing the partisan spin repeated by the media - I can go to the parties websites for that, what I want from you is some analysis. Enough already.

    Posted by Mary Downes June 26, 08 10:53 AM
  1. Democrats think McCain would destroy America. Democrats think the whole world is them.

    Posted by Ross Perot June 26, 08 10:55 AM
  1. Too bad the constitution does not provide for impeaching presidents as soon as they enact measures opposite to their campaign promises.

    Posted by Gigi Venieri June 26, 08 10:56 AM
  1. I should never lead with my heart. Obama touched it with his inspiring dream of change and decency -- as embodied so well in that "Yes, we can" video. Now I am crushed. Since his becoming THE candidate for the Democrats, he has lost the ability to inspire and only depresses. His position appears to be that the ends justify the means...thus his recent support for legislation that will let the telecoms off the hook and further erode our freedom (from fear amongst other things)...thus his pandering to special interest groups (political action groups)...thus his failure to inspire any longer. The legions of young people in love with a leader who dreams out loud will lose their zeal, for sure. McCain is no choice, unless you want Bush again, so where does a poor boy go?

    Posted by Barry June 26, 08 10:57 AM
  1. Ah, so his priorities include, "alternative energy to free America from foreign oil." But like other issues, he does not pur forth any ideas for such. All he has are cute words and phrases. If you disagree, I challenge you to name any such ideas of his. On the other hand, McCain has made an initiative for development of a new battery, knowing that any alternative to oil will involve scientific development, which is just one of America's strengths.

    Posted by T. O. Bob June 26, 08 10:58 AM
  1. 'Wonky'? I'm not a fan of Obama's but although I find his summit to be generic, it seems right in line with the nominee's rhetoric. I think the writer's uneven coverage of this article is a wonkfest especially the 'Update' which adds to the meandering.

    Posted by RC June 26, 08 10:59 AM
  1. Obama thinks he knows what is best for you. McCain knows that only you know what is best for yourself.

    Posted by lie detector June 26, 08 10:59 AM
  1. I approve of the approach Obama is taking: gather the best minds, hear their ideas, have a give -and-take session on they best policies for the country and ALL its citizens. It is obvious that Republican policies have put us in a situation that doesn't work for any but the very rich and powerful.

    Posted by Phyllis June 26, 08 11:01 AM
  1. Define wonky.

    Posted by Andrew June 26, 08 11:01 AM
  1. My concern with Obama is that he hasn't actually done any of the things he says he wants to do. If he is committed to a "new" Washington, why didn't he start this "new" atmosphere while he was in the Senate? Where were his bipartisan bills? Where were his bipartisan gestures? He towed the Party Line as a Senator, and suddenly says he wants to be "different?" Being bipartisan is much harder as President than it is as a Senator. It's going to take more than a teleprompter and a smile to get anything done in Washington. I might not agree with McCain on many of the issues, but I can look at McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy and see someone who knows how to compromise and to get things done. That's my biggest frustration with Washington - lots of vapid speeches and very little actual progress.

    Posted by WJS June 26, 08 11:01 AM
  1. Not only do the Republicans think Obama will hurt America but alot of concerned Americans think so too. Me included. But of course all of you Obamatrons will call anybody who opposes the man racist so...

    Posted by ME June 26, 08 11:01 AM
  1. I don't know whom to vote for. I like McCain, I've always liked him but he's like Barry Goldwater, he just doesn't get it. I would have voted for Johnson instead of Goldwater but I was too young to vote then. I thought Goldwarer would have gone to war sooner but I lived through the Vietnam war with its messed up mission and it certainly didn't matter who was President, Dem or Rep.
    I want to vote for Obama, but I'm afraid of Muslims and their Jew hatred in the present and the last decade. I am old and paranoid my sons tell me but I know they teach Jew hatred from childhoood on and I know that can mess people up even Jimmy Carter who I used to think of as the fairest and most caring President we've ever had.

    Posted by Dorothjy Robinson June 26, 08 11:01 AM
  1. This statement scares me. If this is true then Obama is politics as usual.

    "There has never been a time when Barack Obama has bucked the party line to lead on an issue of national importance," Schmidt writes. "He has never been a part of a bipartisan group that came together to solve a controversial issue. He has never put his career on the line for a cause greater than himself."

    Posted by Rodney Corbett June 26, 08 11:02 AM
  1. Republicans think Obama's policies would hurt America. And they are right. Taxing the oil companies until they make next to no profit and the net result is a lot of 401(k) accounts that suddenly lose a good portion of their value. Do Americans really believe that free enterprise should not be free? Or that companies are limited in their ability to earn? Who is next?
    This is just one example. Let's not even start with negotiating face to face with rogue states, massive tax increases in times of economic stagnancy, increased government spending in health care and other areas (did I say anything about taxes yet?) and the list goes on.
    Amputating a bruised leg is certainly a change. Not a very good one though!

    Posted by Rob June 26, 08 11:03 AM
  1. Hey Fernando - You must be a super smart individual or have special powers to be able to know what all we (Republicans) are thinking. Instead of being critical of others, you should try being more positive (and vocal) about your own party and stand up for what you believe in.

    Posted by M. Tishman June 26, 08 11:04 AM
  1. Republican lies and deciet are falling on deaf ears this election. Only their typical nut-job base cares...and they would vote for a sandwich if it had an (R) in front of it, so who cares about them?

    Posted by Jason June 26, 08 11:04 AM
  1. "Republicans think america is them [sic]" Oh, are you saying that Republicans aren't Americans and as Obama supporters consistently threaten, they will be silenced forever when they take control? We already know that your candidate of "change" has marginalized the humanity and intelligence of anyone daring to call themselves Republican, but are you now telling us that we're not even Americans? Is Obama's goal to unite us with a one-party system? And if one doesn't get in step with the Obama Party--not being Americans and all and being expendable sub-humans--is it the final solution or do we all just get to go to re-education camps?

    Posted by Fear Mongering for good reason June 26, 08 11:04 AM
  1. I'm struggling to make ends meet because of an over sized government that is taxing me to death. Who does OBAMA think will have to pay for the big oil profit tax? Me, the consumer. Why won't OBAMA allow our country to drill for oil on our own shores? Regarding drilling our own oil OBAMA states "if I thought", why is he an expert? He didn't even know what was going on at his own church. WAKE up America.The Supreme Court just over turned the right to sentence a child rapist to death for their crime. Every justice that voted for this absurd action should have to have their grandchildren baby sat by these convicted child predators. I bet they would change their mind then. What will it take until we realize what we are doing to our country? God, please forgive us of our sins and have mercy on our country and it's leaders. We need revival in America!

    Posted by jcd77 June 26, 08 11:05 AM
  1. How can anyone possibly do more damage to America than the Republicans have? If you were to devise a plan that would bankrupt and then dismantle the US as a nation, you couldn't come up with a much better one than the plan Bush - Cheney have been following.

    Time for something - anything - different!

    Posted by RABO June 26, 08 11:06 AM
  1. oh, people should check obama's record. he has been part of a bipartisan group coming together to solve a controversial issue. i guess they hope we will just believe what they say and that noone will double check to get the facts.

    Posted by Lisa June 26, 08 11:08 AM
  1. Haha. McCain is still trying to paint himself as the "change" candidate! Hilarious.

    When will Obama and McCain have their first debate? I can't even imagine McCain trying to keep up with Obama. His smirkyness may work in front of his green backdrop with a room full of republicans, but in a nuetral arena? HA!

    I smell a landslide.

    Posted by Danimal June 26, 08 11:08 AM
  1. Is there a nominee who is honest, trustworthy, and really would be the president of all the people? This is truly a critical time in our history. We do need the respect of our global neighbors, as much as they once needed or wanted us. Can we ever regain our rightful place in world unity again. How can the war on terrorist be won without destroying our Country. The entire world is watching our upcoming election. LET'S SHOW SOME DIGNITY.

    Posted by Joy L. Ferguson June 26, 08 11:08 AM
  1. The only thing I find funnier then asking a Republican about a Democratic candidate is. Offering to help reconsolidate Clinton's debt BEFORE Obama's been inaugurated. I'd make it conditional. Clinton doesn't get paid til Obama gets in office. If she doesn't do her job she doesn't get paid. it's that simple.

    Posted by Avant Strangel June 26, 08 11:11 AM
  1. The Republican Party continues to scream for Obama to jump into their swirling toilet bowl and are perplexed when he won't. Mr. Obama knows that come November that contents of said bowl will be on the way to their rightful place in history.

    Posted by Tyler Durden June 26, 08 11:12 AM
  1. McCain - bad for America, bad for Americans. Even the Republicans don't like this flip flop panderer.

    Posted by Ni Hao June 26, 08 11:13 AM
  1. And I think your offbase.

    Smart people KNOW obama will hurt America. Has nothing to do with being D or R. Do some research. Stop being sheep people.


    And this is coming from a lifelong Dem.

    Posted by Cal June 26, 08 11:13 AM
  1. Obama's views are socialist. He talks a nice game but is naive and has too many plans to take your hard earned cash to give away to everyone but you!!! Since when did this become ok and since when did access to opportunity equate entitlement? His policies are a throw back to Carter's years and that was a disaster. On the upside he might actually mend race relations if he can stop driving that wedge. Utlimately though a 143 day Senator a President does not make.

    Posted by Night Watchman June 26, 08 11:13 AM
  1. Obama is up in the polls anywhere from 1-15% over McCain. The Obama supporters are passioniate. Other will see this and want in on the excitement. While on the other hand McCain can't even get support from top Republicans. He is weak and i hope at the republican convertion they nominate someone with a little more energy so we have a closer race. Why are we fighting a war that never ends? Lets spend those billions of dollars to support our country instead of waisting them in vietnam I mean IRAQn. Face it McSame is weak, obama is cool and popular and not about to die. It would take a million smears or millions of raceists to turn this thing around.

    Posted by parker June 26, 08 11:14 AM
  1. I agree with Mr. Canavati's comment.

    I also feel that Obama is in touch with the American people and he is right on point with his plans for alternative energy to free America from foreign oil, improving the nations infrastructures and providing affordable healthcare to our citizens.

    Posted by L. Williams June 26, 08 11:14 AM
  1. Perhaps it is why GOP is out of sync with majority of Americans and overwhelming majority disagrees with GOP policies.

    Posted by Chicago June 26, 08 11:15 AM
  1. I wonder how long the media will give McCain a free pass on all his reversals and flubs. All the news outlets keep replaying McCain's response to Obama's public financing decision, shaking their heads about Obama's "reversal," without mentioning that McCain signed up for public financing for the primary and then backed out - or at least tried to. The jury's still out on whether McCain's public finance decisions have been legal, let alone consistent.

    Obama, on the other hand, expressed a strong desire to work out an agreement that would truly serve the purpose of campaign finance reform: preventing small groups with big money from having an unfair influence on our political process. He very correctly concluded that the "public finance system" doesn't do that. It allows the national parties and 527s to influence the process like crazy, while tying the hands of only the candidates' official campaigns. Just ask John Kerry. The Bush campaign didn't swift boat him. A 527 did it. And for the pundits out there claiming there aren't any 527s this time, the swift boat ads started in August.

    There's no chance that big oil, big insurance, or big defense contractors, to name but a few, will sit back and watch while Obama defeats McCain. For Obama to decide that the American people, including over 1.7 million Americans contributing to his campaign, deserve the right to counterbalance the special interests is hardly a "reversal." I wonder if the media will wake up and notice that. In the meantime, we can add the media to the 527s and the RNC as powerful special interests whose influence we have a right to counterbalance.

    Posted by DoTheMath June 26, 08 11:15 AM
  1. I agree, America is not republican or conservative. It was founded on those principles but has detoriated and become tolerant of everything EXECEPT what made us great.

    Posted by Nick J June 26, 08 11:15 AM
  1. And some folk think that no matter which of these idiots gets elected, America is going to experience pain, pain, pain. It's only a choice of flavor at this point.

    Posted by jaqphule June 26, 08 11:17 AM
  1. Obama wants to free us from foreign oil but won't let us drill for it here?

    Posted by Brad June 26, 08 11:17 AM
  1. Republicans think obama would hurt america because he is a marxist runnning for president in a capitalistic country.... it's like Reagan trying to run for office in North Korea

    Posted by johnboy June 26, 08 11:18 AM
  1. Republicans tend to increase national debt, commit to long term war, cater to
    the rich, and take a view that they are America.
    Democrats tend to increase taxes, stand up for the less fortunate with social
    programs, and have more women and poor people as voters.
    McCain say's we will stay in Iraq 100years if that's what it takes.
    Obama say's get out of Iraq, but has no clue about anything else
    See the problem?

    Posted by DAVID D. LUSK June 26, 08 11:19 AM
  1. Fernando I suspect that you thing you as a non republican are amierican. So are you saying that republicans are not Americans? One of the problem with liberals are they think that spending money for change is always good. A conservative looks at results, not effort. Unfortunately we have not had a conservative president in a long time.

    Posted by Andrew June 26, 08 11:19 AM
  1. Adele: You write that 'Hilary encouraged him [Obama] to run in the first place'? That is absolutely un-true, but consistent with Clinton's fantasy followers.

    As far as other comments, Barack Obama is the most liberal Senator currently, and would be the most liberal President in our history. Do you really want that? I am all for change and taking risks, but I just can't make that jump. Go McCain.

    Posted by John June 26, 08 11:20 AM
  1. "How do "alternative energy to free America from foreign oil, providing world-class education and affordable healthcare, and improving the nation's infrastructure, among other priorities" equal "an absolute disaster," specifically for the people in Pennsylvania?"

    I'm with Stu (commenter). do these things equal "an absolute disaster"?

    Posted by Dragonetta June 26, 08 11:26 AM
  1. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

    Well, unless McCain's support of offshore drilling, and unchecked pollution into the Gulf of Mexico because maintaining the war was his top priority, has helped wipe out the fish.

    Posted by shark June 26, 08 11:27 AM
  1. Republicans are loyal Americans and proud of our country. We do not want the Government to control our lives. Redistribution of wealth does not help us succeed in life. Barrack Obama blames all problems on Washington. Isn't he a U.S. Senator that often does not vote? He does not show the strength to stand up for America. Vote for Senator John McCain

    Posted by Dean June 26, 08 11:29 AM
  1. Bottom line is that John McCain is middle of the road on issues. He takes in both sides and does what is right for the country, not what is right for the party. I'm so sick of Democrats vs Republicans. Thier political posturing is the ONLY thing wrong with our country. Oh yeah, the liberal media is also to blame who only talks gloom and doom, not ever promoting what America does that is great and right for the world! The world doesn't need to bash us we do it ourselves all day long. We are a GREAT nation lead by a congress that is made up of mostly self serving pompus jerks. John McCain is a good guy who has more than paid his dues and proven what type of man he is in Washington. He has gone against Republicans when it was the RIGHT thing to do. It frightens me how stupid the public is on REAL issues on how the economy functions in a free market!!!! Congress is arrogant enough to think they control the economy. Bush had nothing to do with the economy tanking. It is cyclical and will correct despite who is in the White House. Obama is not proven and has EXTREMELY far left-wing views. Look out America.

    Posted by Lynn C. June 26, 08 11:32 AM
  1. L-O-L! All the talk about Republicans vs Democrats! For the LAST 28 yr's, the White House has been governed by COUSINS! Yes! Cousins of ONE ANOTHER! (?) you ask? Well! George H.W. Bush (frmr Head of CIA) ran the Reagan Office 08 yr's, followed by 04 of his own, followed by 08 more by his actual Cousin, Wm. Jeff. Blythe Clinton, followed by 08 more yr's by George W. Bush, his Cousin. It's TRUE! I come from British Titled Families! WE SHOULD KNOW! George H.W. Bush, Wm. Jeff. Blythe Clinton, George W. Bush ARE ALL COUSINS TO QUEEN ELIZEBETH, Ruler of England! They ALL grew up knowing each other's families! Now! Senator Barrack H. M. Obama is DIRECT COUSIN to Prince Edward of the HOUSE OF WINDSOR > the Queen's Family! While Sen. John Mc Cain's Family Father's served King George's First Cousin in the Revolution > General & President, George Washington, as Aide De Camp; While the Mc Cain Father's were Aide De Camp in England (prior), to the KIng's & Queen's of England all the way back to the 1600's! [Why does John's family have so many Bases & Ships named after them in the US Navy? Think about that) So! Which do we want [really]? One more TRUE ROYAL BLUE COUSIN of the HOUSE OF WINDSOR who rules the United Kingdom, in our "Free Whitehouse"? Or, would we rather have a Great-Great-Great-Great Grandson of President George Washington's Aide De Camp as our next President? A TRULY NON-ROYAL!? It's always been this way. But Commoner American Citizens don't do their homework! (And) Hillary Rodham Clinton? Well, her Father's Family has been TITLED by the Royal House of Windsor since the 1500's! Plus she's married to a True Royal Blue Cousin to the Queen of England! By the way! Every President in the USA has ALWAYS been tied to the ROYAL HOUSE of ENGLAND since George Washington, whom was named AFTER HIS FIRST COUSIN, KING GEORGE! It's all a hoot! It's the Electoral College that chooses our President's (And) there's not one Federal Law requiring the Electoral College Delegates to vote according to the "Common-er" Popular Vote anyway! Why do you think 2000 & 2004 went the way they did? THINK PEOPLE! Another Royal in the White House? Or, A Royal Aide De Camp's Military "Commoner" Family as President? I'm voting that one: John Mc Cain!

    Posted by Mark Robinson June 26, 08 11:34 AM
  1. Obama is the most selfish politician is the last twenty years. His arrogance and his 20 yrs of listening to Rev. Wright are just the icing on the cake. There is so much we don't know about this man. I can honestly say i'm a Hillary supporter, voting for John McCain.

    Posted by Daniel June 26, 08 11:35 AM
  1. They are both horrible for the next 4 years but I have hope that a new age Jimmy Carter (Obama) may bring about a new age Reagan (go go Jindal 2012!) Or at least make a 3rd party called "Conservatives" since the 2 parties we have now only believe in big restrictive no liberties government.

    Posted by Dont wake till 2012 June 26, 08 11:39 AM
  1. 401Ks are supported by alot more than big oil Robo. Get a clue. Oil companies and speculators are causing oil profits to be more than ever. Now whether you believe they(and all free market) should be able to charge whatever they want is reasonable.

    But what about when many who have always driven a car find out that they can't afford it anymore, what do you think the oil companies are going to do. Raise prices until those that can make up for their lost profits from low income individuals. something needs to be done. Windfall taxes hold them accountable to providing at a reasonable rate.

    Massive tax increase? 1000 tax credit to those in the middle class.

    Economic stagnancy(actually inflation now!!!, wrong again), government has been spending billions on a war in Iraq for no reason, Republicans now say it's to liberate a country and protect from terror of Muslims(wait aren't Republicans the ones that despise the Muslim popluation?)

    #1 there were no terrorists in Iraq before we entered. They came when we came!
    #2 We spend billions of dollars on a war. With Obamas withdrawal from the war, we decrease government spending. WE ARE IN DEBT!
    #3 Have you ever dealt with foreign policy or those of people who have strongly different beliefs than you? What problems does anyone have with negotiating with a rogue state? Find out face to face whether they are as unreasonable as they appear or if their rhetoric is just a bunch of bull. Amadinejad doesn't run Iran, the Ayatollah does.

    Ready your dang political history books!!! Get a theory from what you read, not from what someone else believes and yells at the top of their lungs.

    Quit watching fox news, cnn, any of the newspapers. They are all partisan.

    Posted by Everyone quit watching the news and reading this crap. Try a history book, form your own opinions. June 26, 08 11:39 AM
  1. Obama the used car salesman.This guy is the best at telling what you want to hear.Why dont the people who support him turn off the tv and read his voting record.If you guys are poor and need hand outs vote Obama.Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.Total control is what Obama fans want him to have.He is a lawyer first thats why he speaks so well.Bush was not good on the war.But its so funny we have had a great economy the last 6 years.How short some of your memories are.You must have been living in your parents basement blaming everybody for your faliures.Obama will save you dont worry your messiah has arrived.If you lost your job im sorry but you should have saved for rainy days not waited for the gov to bail you out.

    Posted by Joseph L June 26, 08 11:39 AM
  1. As I read this article, I noticed something. The title said McCain goes negative. but not one quote from McCain, only from others that the author associates with the McCain campaign. The only negative comments came from the Democrats. Oh, and John McCain did not challenge Obama to town hall meetings. He invited Obama.
    Just pointing out how the liberal press works.

    Posted by Ron Eardley June 26, 08 11:44 AM
  1. I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heatbeat. It is simplistic to contend that it is racist not to support Senator Obama. He does not seem to be taking us beyond the race issue. His people drag it out every time it can be used as a bludgeon over real or imagined sentiments. I think his camp is good at making up incendiary things, blaming the other side, then attacking that side as the source. It's an old disinformation tactic and it works pretty well.
    Obama has admirable qualities but he is disturbing in a Burt Lancaster-Rainmaker/ Aimee Semple McPherson sort of way.

    Posted by T Foreman June 26, 08 11:44 AM
  1. I do not know why anybody would vote for McCain. I really do not get it. After electing GWB twice to lead this country astray as he has done anything is possible. Can you imagine what we would say if a country in Asia voted someone like GWB in twice. Please people i am voting for Obama and i am republican, my son is going to iraq for the third time and i was in vietnam. He loves this country as much as i do but he still wonders why he is going for a third term to kill people that do not wear uniforms and throw bombs JUST BECAUSE WE ARE THERE

    Posted by Ori June 26, 08 11:46 AM
  1. How can you change without upheaval of the current system? Simply put, you cannot.

    Typical debate behaviour, sling as much misdirection and convolute the issue until people no longer recognize your hypocrisy. If McCain is 'country first', why doesn't he support increases in the G.I. Bill to assist soldiers in gaining an education, which is important in improving economic and social mobility in those who serve?

    If our country is first, why aren't we helping those who are afraid to go to the doctor for the lack of money to pay the bill or adequate insurance that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

    If our country has been put first, why do we leave our public schools powerless to afford quality teachers and curriculum?

    It's always interesting that people want change without upsetting the conceit of equillibrium.

    Do people really prefer lobbyists firmly in the pocket of big interest groups? Oh, yes, they'll surely shirk their 6 digit extra paycheck while you're eating ramen.

    Nobody is perfect, but there has to be a better way.

    Whiners.

    Posted by Darren June 26, 08 11:47 AM
  1. Yes, the US is in a tough spot. No it is not all due to Bush Republicans. Bill Clinton ignored the intel re threats to Trade Towers. 9/11 was a huge economic setback from which most corporations have not recovered their share prices, thus more layoffs. No McCain does not agree w/Bush on everything. Yes, of course Obama is too inexperienced to realize he cannot implement his ideas in Washington without a huge increase in our tax load, which we cannot take now.
    Yes McCain has positions I disagree with, but here is the crux of it for me. The terrorist threat is real, and is identical to our economic security. Middle East oil
    money is buying huge chunks of our financial institutions. The Iranian dictator will
    not fear Obama, but will be delighted to manipulate him..but he will fear McCain.

    Posted by Dr. Leadership June 26, 08 11:47 AM
  1. Ha, liberals are the reason we have the problems.

    You buy foreign cars and goods and don't think twice how bad it hurts our economy.

    We waste time on administrative crap like "gay marriage" and welfare programs that perpetuate social and economic problems, which costs governments and courts time and money.

    And then you want to blame someone else.

    Obama will keep rewarding the something for nothing crowd and you will see how bad he is for America, when our economy starts a nosedive worse than today.

    Posted by Joe June 26, 08 11:54 AM
  1. "Time for something - anything - different!"

    yes, even though it can become worse! At least it's different! At least it's change!!!

    "When will Obama and McCain have their first debate? I can't even imagine McCain trying to keep up with Obama. His smirkyness may work in front of his green backdrop with a room full of republicans, but in a nuetral arena? HA!
    I smell a landslide."

    They'll have their first debate when Obama agrees to one, or if Obama would propose one, but he knows if he doens't have his aides doing lal his work for him, he is in deep ****, so he won't. Obama would burn in a neutral arena, one that isn't full of Sean Combs getting black people up solely for the purpose of a black president or 17 year old girls shouting change? Man, he would have pretty much no support. I smell a landslide too, a landslide of **** spewing from Obama's mouth.

    "Obama wants to free us from foreign oil but won't let us drill for it here?" because secretly he wants us to be dependent on foreign oil, he just can't say it, and it's really cool that you are smart enough to see how that point contradicts him, his blind followers sure can't.

    "...and he is right on point with his plans for alternative energy to free America from foreign oil" saying we should have alternative energy sources to free America form foreign oil without having a plan could be said by a 5 year old, at least McCain has plans instead of blanket statements with nothing of substance.

    "...and they would vote for a sandwich if it had an (R) in front of it, so who cares about them?"

    And Dems would vote for a turd as long as there is a (D) infront of it, as long as it's something different, you know, a change, if you will


    Posted by W Khan June 26, 08 11:55 AM
  1. There's a something interesting I see when I read these comments. Many different people, with many different ideas. Some very left, praising obama for his ideas, and some very right, chastising obama for his ideas. The one thing I see that made me happy was that we don't have two candidates that are polar opposite of eachother! There is a middle ground in the man we call McCain. Anyone who says he would be another term of bush is dillusional and frankly, blinded by one-sided media stories that force feed thoughts into the minds of those who can't generate ideas on their own. I'm not saying that all democrats are that way, but the social masses that don't take a look on their own accord are being "hearded like cattle" towards a socialist set of morals and ideas. HERE IS THE TRUTH: BOTH CANDIDATES ARE FLIP FLOPPERS. When it comes down to it, you have to be a flip-flopper to go anywhere in politics. You can't go anywhere unless you are. The reason is: there are millions of people on every side of every debate. There is no "republican mold" that requires all republicans to think the same on everything, that goes double for the democrats. Truth be told, McCain is the better option when you look at the two together, at least he rides the fence and takes good from both sides. Better to have someone that will float to either side to keep america in balance, than to have someone so set on a one way course whos only explanation of where they are going is, away from where we've been. It sounds reckless and dangerous to me.

    Posted by Free Marketeer June 26, 08 11:56 AM
  1. I cannot help but LOL at the repubs reasoning. They had their way TOTALLY for the last 6 years and I do not think we have ever been in worse shape economically than this moment. They have given away the store to the top 1% who now control 60% of all of the wealth and income of the country. They hand out $600, borrowed from China, to try to prop things up through the next election and call it an economic policy. A lot of true believers, the many who are not millionaires, will be getting a rude awakening even before November, and, as i removed my money from the market 4 months ago, i will enjoy their pain. the only problem is that the working people will experience even MORE pain, and they did not receive any of the benefits. Continue to believe this is a normal economic cycle at your own peril. N ever since 1929 has so much of the country's capital been held in the hands of so few. I am not sure what happened then, but to hear the repubs talk it must have been really good.

    Posted by ronald Orf June 26, 08 11:58 AM
  1. Having read the previous 48 comments, I am convinced that Thomas Jefferson's statement that the "masses cannot govern themselves" was correct. This country is going downhill fast. It was a great ride..nothing lasts forever.

    Posted by Chad June 26, 08 12:00 PM
  1. Folks...People don't enter politics for serving the public. They get in to make money, and as long as they do a couple of good things along the way, that will meet my expectation. If the voters start to focus their energy on choosing the better of the two available candidates, they will benefit in the long run. Too many have put too much emphasis on voting for their "ideal" choice or not voting or voting for the other party/candidate in spite. That is not going to benefit them or the overall country.

    Posted by NC June 26, 08 12:01 PM
  1. "The Republican Party continues to scream for Obama to jump into their swirling toilet bowl and are perplexed when he won't. Mr. Obama knows that come November that contents of said bowl will be on the way to their rightful place in history."

    Yes, yes, yes! One country; one party. Down with Republicans and neocons and Hillary supporters who don't get in line! Down with white corporations. Down with all rich people. Down with capitolism. Down with racist pigs Republicans. Down with Christians. Down with typical white women. Hope! Unity! Equality! (has anyone thought to stock up on rust remover? Madam Guillotine is coming out of retirement)

    Posted by Up With The Obama Party June 26, 08 12:03 PM
  1. Ok people, listen up because this is important:

    OUR OIL RESERVES PEAKED IN THE 70'S! Check it out for yourselves. Maybe there's more oil somewhere off the coast, but really, who cares? The bottom line is, IT'S SERIOUSLY TIME FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.

    You know who we have to thank for stifling the advancement of the hydrogen powered combustible engine (oh it's out there!) - Big Energy (OIL) and of course, our friends the Republicans.

    And I'm sorry- who decided that conservative was right? In what planet do you deem to look at your fellow american and say "I know better than you?" It's that same arrogance that has the right all up in arms about abortion- here's a clue GET OVER IT! IT'S NOT YOUR BODY OR YOUR CHOICE! AND NO, GOD DIDN'T "CALL" YOU TO SAVE THE "UNBORN" CHILD! The republicans are so maddening in their selfishness.

    The Republicans are mudslingers extraodinare...if you can't beat 'em, attack them at every turn (and wait, don't think for a SECOND I'm letting the democrats off the hook here either- they're just a few polices away from doing the same dances the republicans do on a daily basis as well.)

    It's important that we ALL agree we ALL could stand to be better informed, better educated and more involved in our political process....unfortunately, for too long the VAST MAJORITY of the american people have been bamboozled, hood-winked and disenfranchised into believing and voting for interests that run counter to what we really need.

    And PLEASE don't say socialism like it's dipped in poison....look at what precious capitalism has brought this country- people are being killed for SNEAKERS AT THE MALL! CARS ARE BEING STOLEN WITH BABIES IN THEM! Seriously? This comes down to who's conservative and who's liberal? How about this then:

    We all can agree Ronnie Reagan bankrupted domestic policy during the 80's- he spent all of our money abroad, fighting the Russians and getting embarrassed in other international conflicts...but damn he looked good on tv, right? Then, we ended up in a war during Bush I's presidency that we're finally trying to sow up today. Clinton gets props for a lot of policies a DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED congress began implementing shortly before he actually came into office, but overall, he was the right guy at the time, because tensions (much like today) were running so high along so many different (racial, cultural, financial) lines.

    I could say I would vote for McCain, but the truth of the matter is simply I don't trust him. Flat out. I'm hesitant to vote for Obama (and for the LOVE OF GOD people, if I see ONE MORE PERSON try to claim he's a muslim, I'm going to pull my hair out one strand at a time...quick sidebar- some right-wingnut on a different site called Obama a "sleeper muslim." I mean, wtf is that? And I'm sorry, you can't say racism doesn't still exist in this country. Deal with it- you don't have to like the truth, but it's the elephant in the room. And mostly it's white males saying that mess, btw- many white women readily acknowledge racism is still very much a problem in this country.) because I think his hands are going to be tied....people act like the president has so much stroke, but really, the president is a figure head. The power in this country lies with the BUSINESSES...as evidenced by the way the country runs now- like a BUSINESS. When we start being honest with ourselves, and when we are REALLY READY to make the tough choices (and there will have to be suffering to make any real progress) then we can truly affect change.

    We all know change isn't easy, and yet we continue to whine about it, hoping to make it so. It's equivalent to the old definition of insanity- doing the same thing over and over and continuing to expect a different outcome. How about we be bold and progressive? How about we return the power of choice to the people at the local level, minimize the government, cut wasteful spending, DEMAND money be returned to domestic measure (like EDUCATION), take healthcare out of the private sector, and more than anything else BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR OWN LIVES AND STOP TRYING TO TELL OTHERS HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE?? Maybe that's asking too much.

    And for all you "America: love it or leave it!" people out there- believe you me, right now, I could definitely leave it...I've been to other countries, and I can say unequivocally, I could DEFINITELY live in other places, and be quite happy.

    So what's it's going to be? Do we buck up, strap up and make the tough choices? That may mean more taxes- you don't get something for nothing! I can't stand people complaining about taxes when they are necessary. Yes, we could save money by cutting waste spending, but taxes will never disappear. Just another one of those silly things people hang up on.

    I realize this post has meandered, but there were way too many topics to touch, and I don't care one bit if you don't agree with me- As long as you're thinking, at least we have a chance to make a change sometime...

    God bless you all

    Posted by Charles June 26, 08 12:05 PM
  1. Obama would hurt America! It is ours. You are probably here from Mexico Illegally. We fought for it. You all are trying to ruin America. Learn the language all spanish speaking foreigners or go home. All of you liberal democrates bitch, moan and groan about everything. Let Iran take over and lets see what they do to all you faggots lesbos (Rosie O). They won't even let females drive! Wonder why?

    Posted by John June 26, 08 12:06 PM
  1. This is not journalism. It is a pathetic uninformed "opinion piece". I lived in Boston for several yewars and used to look to the Globe for decent writing. Who ever the hell Foon Rhee is, his feeble effort is a disgrace to Globe readers..

    Posted by Jefflz June 26, 08 12:25 PM
  1. Obama's only strategy for freeing America from foreign oil is going to be to cripple the infrastructure with taxes. How are we going to develop the technology to not only create viable alternatives to oil but also incorporate them in the big picture when nobody can afford to drive to work!

    "Disaster" is the right word.

    Posted by Mike June 26, 08 12:28 PM
  1. Working class Americans will benefit greatly from Obama's plans. More tax cut (ip to $1000 per family)for working class people, higher educational rebates ($4000 per year), aggressive action on job creation, great subsidy for innovation (will employ millions of Americans), renegotiated NATFA to increase its value to the US, and on and on and on.

    McCain on the other hand wants to benefit the richest 1%. He, like Geoge Bush believes in trickle down economy. Puts everyone else at the mercy of the rich guys...

    Posted by Craig June 26, 08 12:32 PM
  1. Almost all oil is used for transportation and there is currently no technology that is ready to compete with oil for that type of use. If Obama doesn't stop spitting out liberal ideaology and start responding to events on the ground. He will be a one term president if president at all.

    Posted by peterg June 26, 08 12:34 PM
  1. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

    Or the Bush administrations' version.

    Give a rich man a fish. He will gut it, and something may "trickle down" to the rest.

    Posted by Gus June 26, 08 12:36 PM
  1. For all you people dissing Obama's "tax increase", he plans on letting the Bush tax breaks expire in 2009. You know, the tax breaks that disproportionately favor the wealthy.

    From his website:

    "Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers."

    Please listen to both sides of the story before drawing conclusions...

    Posted by Gaffney June 26, 08 12:37 PM
  1. I love how the article starts with with a Positive Obama paragraph

    "Still, wrapping up his three-week economic tour, Obama today is holding the kind of wonkfest that would warm the heart of the former president, who became famous for holding a series of them during his 1992 campaign."

    and ends with a negative McCain paragraph:

    "Four months after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain has still failed to connect with the American people," the memo says. "As recent polls show, Senator McCain has not made inroads with voters on key issues of character and values as voters continue to view Senator McCain as out of touch."

    McCain is one of the few patriotic Americans remaining in politics. It will be a shame if the left wing media manages to get Obama the pretender politician elected.

    Posted by Liberal Media Fest June 26, 08 12:46 PM
  1. I smell Socialism when it comes to that Radical Obama.
    My wife is a Democrate and I am a Republican; we are small business owners and it scares the living hell out of me to even think what will happen to this country if we elect a radical President suck as Obama; you think you have "rights" if he gets in office trust me your rights you have now will be gone; our economy will be worse than it is today and I as a business owner will have to close my doors as I will not be able to pay all the taxes that WILL be forced on us.

    WAKE UP AMERICA! Do you really want a leftist radical Muslim loving idiot running our country?

    With the current regulations and laws I have a hard enough time and I am in the transportation business and I see what the high fuel costs are doing to our economy today.......lets add more taxes on top of this and watch America's livelyhood die out just like many EU countries have lost there stronghold in the world economic playing fields.

    Oh by the way.....most of my overseas clients are laughing at us because of Obama.

    Like I said WAKE UP AMERICA............unless you like a Marxist government!

    Posted by Roger June 26, 08 12:48 PM
  1. To Darin: "How can you change without upheaval of the current system? Simply put, you cannot. " By "system" what precisely do you mean? Obama wants to substantially increase the power of the current federal government to include bureaucratic control of personal records, control of the thermostat in your house, control of the kinds and the amounts of food you can eat, what you can drive (no matter that you can't afford to buy the new green technology--$4 a gallon is a GOOD thing according to Obama).

    You say, "Typical debate behaviour, sling as much misdirection and convolute the issue until people no longer recognize your hypocrisy. If McCain is 'country first', why doesn't he support increases in the G.I. Bill to assist soldiers in gaining an education, which is important in improving economic and social mobility in those who serve?" McCain had his own bill--which the Democrats would not allow consideration of, nor would the Democrats allow conisderation of amendments to be offered on the Senate floor which would have given folks a chance to reach a compromise. McCain's bill geared the amount of available benefits to the time served. His bill gave more benefits to those who served 30 years than to those who served 3 years. Also, why did Obama oppose giving the GI or veteran the ability to transfer his or her education benefits to a spouse or a child? I know a couple of retirees whose children are ready to go to college and they would have loved using the benefits they earned being there to help their kids.

    You say: "If our country is first, why aren't we helping those who are afraid to go to the doctor for the lack of money to pay the bill or adequate insurance that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?" And how, please, is my or your paying for health insurance for illegal aliens going to help this person? And did you know that the majority of those listed as uninsured are children who are eligible for insurance but whose parent's won't take the time to sign them up. And did you know that Obama's proposal will not allow Dr's to decide whether they'll accept the mandated insurance? If they refuse and only accept privately insured patients, they'll lose their license. McCain proposes that business and individuals be given a credit with which the family can shop for the best insurance for them---bringing competition to the system. And, BTW, do you want to turn your medical records over to the same bureaucracy that allowed trainees at the State Department to look up candidates' passport information?


    "If our country has been put first, why do we leave our public schools powerless to afford quality teachers and curriculum?" So are you advocating federal take-over of the public schools? And have you considered the power of the Teacher's Union which protects incompetent teachers? How about special interest groups who have so sanitized history and dumbed down English and math and geography that our children have no grasp of morals or great literature or the great ideas upon which this nation was founded. Just read the posts here. Ideas aren't discussed. Individuals whose ideas differ from the popular ones are not just marginalized, but are demonized and threatened with extinction when their candidate takes over. Hyperbole is acceptable political commentary (Bush is Hitler--Republicans are all knuckle-dragging, expendable, stupid NAZI racists). Sloganeering replaces in depth discussions (McCain is Bush's 3rd term---even though McCain is in trouble with conservatives because he opposed Bush on too many things). Big Brother is watching and double-think is cool.

    You say, "It's always interesting that people want change without upsetting the conceit of equillibrium." Huh? Equillibrium is conceited? Stability is a bad thing? Precisely what kind of change are you advocating? Total revolution? Anarchy?

    You ask: "Do people really prefer lobbyists firmly in the pocket of big interest groups? Oh, yes, they'll surely shirk their 6 digit extra paycheck while you're eating ramen." You do know that "big interest groups" include the AFLCIO? Green Peace? AARP? Move On? Common Cause? Al Gore's organization? You do know that part of your revolution to do away with lobbyists would have to include that snarky section of the Constitution that says we can all petition our government? Did you read Ralph Nader's statement yesterday? Obama is hardly free of "lobbyists". Did you hear his recorded (secretly recorded) statement to the Jimmy Hoffa union that if they support him, they'd have a "line" to the white House? So, it's not lobbyists is it? It's WHICH lobbyists would be allowed.

    You say: "Whiners." Well, there you go! That's the way to raise the debate to a higher level.

    Posted by Amy June 26, 08 12:52 PM
  1. Let's not forget that Dems want to allow women the right to murder babies simply because they are an inconvenience and Dems want to limit your 2nd ammendment rights.

    Posted by Hombre June 26, 08 12:53 PM
  1. EXACTLY how would obama's ideas HURT america?

    More vague threats from republicans desperate to continue bush's presidency using their wooden duck mccain.

    Providing affordable health care, oh yeah that will hurt america pretty badly!

    Protecting america's coastlines from becoming the mess that texas and louisiana costlines are will hurt america, while STILL importing the oil because it is IN FACT cheaper to do so. Exxon knows that.

    Posted by mateo June 26, 08 12:58 PM
  1. I really don't like to be called a republican right now. Cause it's polirizing, and positions issues associated with the republican party really do not reflect my views as an American who have supported the republican party for 8 voting years.
    I think these positions reflect the views of some republicans. Not that i'm certainly voting the GOP come november.

    Posted by Prosper June 26, 08 01:02 PM
  1. Democrat or Republican, we should be very careful not to adopt Marxist style policies in the USA. We cannot afford to continue to expand government, PERIOD.
    JFK will be remembered by those who care to check history as supporting TAX CUTS. The new higher tax rates which Sen. Obama endorses would cripple the economy even more- not a very bright idea from the person so many seem to think is such a bright mind.
    It's obvious that we need to develop new and better energy sources, but anyone can see that in the interim we need to use our own resources. Why is it better for the Earth if drilling is in Venezuala rather than in Alaska? Why is it better if China, Canada and others drill in the Gulf of Mexico rather than the USA?
    I disagree with the commentors who say that ANY change would be better than what we have now - Look back at the wonderful changes brought about in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Communist China, Cuba and Cambodia where Tens of Millions of people were murdered - in the name of "change", and all using Marxist theories.

    Posted by Western Mind June 26, 08 01:04 PM
  1. if mccain continues even a mere half of bu$h's policies, he wont just hurt america, he may well do her in completely

    obama doesnt have the longest resume. what he has nevertheless is a spectacular one that has shown a greater propensity for straight talk and sound judgement than mccain will ever be capable of

    Posted by peabody3000 June 26, 08 01:11 PM
  1. I do not think Obama's policies will hurt America, I think he is going to destroy America and his first act as President will to burn the Constitution. He has no intention of being honorable. The man is a bonified idiot.

    Posted by Tom June 26, 08 01:12 PM
  1. The repubs have got it wrong on energy and defense and as McCain himself admitted, economics is not his strongest point. Obama is a smart man and is capable of learning, he's sharp and able to appease both sides. I think we should give him a chance. He's certainly got it right. Go visit WhyObama08.org and help support him.

    Posted by G Green June 26, 08 01:14 PM
  1. quote: "When will Obama and McCain have their first debate? I can't even imagine McCain trying to keep up with Obama. His smirkyness may work in front of his green backdrop with a room full of republicans, but in a nuetral arena? HA!"

    Why won't Obama do any of the unscripted "town hall" meetings that McCain has proposed? Because without a prepared speech or teleprompter telling him what to say, he doesn't stand a chance. McCain will clean his clock, and he knows it!

    Posted by NObama June 26, 08 01:15 PM
  1. Repugs love money and money is one of the seven deadly sins... need I say more?

    Posted by Darr West June 26, 08 01:20 PM
  1. So, what's wrong with a little socialism? I'm not saying that either candidate has all the figures correct or the answers in line. I'm just saying that a strong, supportive mother-country works GREAT in Europe in the established countries: Holland, Denmark - places where everyone has a chance at an education and proper healthcare without the debt burden that is upon so many of us in America today. More taxes would hurt initially, but they plant the seeds that become strong trees and bear the fruit of prosperity for all generations to come.

    We are all selfish Americans, this is our downfall. No president can change that.

    Posted by Stephanie Sanders June 26, 08 01:35 PM
  1. The Republican Party is going to implode after these elections. The cracks in its base are already obvious: the business elite that runs the Republican Party has nothing in common with the fundamentalist christian wing, and is thoroughly annoyed by their excesses. The fundamentalist christians abhor the business elite's secular positions on social issues. Poor McCain is caught in the middle: he's a secular, middle-of-the road fiscal conservative who obviously doesn't care about abortion, gay marriage, and the evangelic movement in general, and is playing along with it halfheartedly. Once they lose the November elections, the recriminations between the two wings, and the acrimony between them, will burst out loud, and this artificial alliance called the Republican Party will collapse.

    Posted by alanr June 26, 08 01:35 PM
  1. Did you bother to look up the word wonky? Various definitions include "shaky, groggy, unreliable, not trustworthy, stupid, boring, unattractive, unsteady, awry, and wrong."
    So a "wonkfest" is, in your words ...
    (a) "summit on ensuring America’s competitiveness in the global economy" at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, (which) "will bring together economic, educational, community-based, and industry leaders to discuss the challenges facing our workforce and craft solutions for the 21st century."

    Posted by Robert Lowe June 26, 08 02:02 PM
  1. History has shown that the last three Republicans in the presidential office left the US in debt and with a poor economy. All three also said very specific things before elections and in State of the Union address that they either did not do or did just the opposite. Remember Read my lips, no new taxes, compassionate conservatism... We need change now and if all Obama does is regain the US reputation in the world and/or increases consumer confidence, that's enough to be successful.

    Posted by Dr. Michael J. Franklin June 26, 08 02:44 PM
  1. "BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR OWN LIVES AND STOP TRYING TO TELL OTHERS HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE?? "

    Charles, you say that in the same paragraph in which you advocate federalization of health care? You blame crime on people who own businesses--and I suppose that includes those who work for businesses. You fail to make that connection.

    I'm fascinated by the desire to increase taxes on the "rich". No one has defined "rich" here. And what "income" is going to be taxed. Obama is planning on doubling the capitol gains tax. Yes. Since that's no an income test tax, people with the most money invested will benefit the most. But wait. What happens to us "middle" income investors? We're the ones who, instead of spending our entire paychecks, put tax-free money away in IRA's and 401k's, knowing we'd pay the tax when we took it out, but forgoing the pleasure of the expendible income so we could EARN a percentage (usually under 10%) on our investment. Most of us did that so we could have income upon retirement. These "investments" also affect our pension plans. So, Obama's plan to soak the rich and punish corporations means I lose everything I've saved. I'm not rich.

    Obama wants to do away with "rich" people. OK. Fine. I wish though that he'd put a specific figure on that. I know he thinks a family whose income exceeds $96,000 a year is considered rich because he wants to remove the entitlement tax cap for those wage earners. Those folks are already taxed at over 40% of their income. So what is "rich"? Obama's proposals would mean a tax on the "rich" of 60%. So maybe he should let us all know how much of our earnings he'll allow us to keep. And how much should a business be allowed to keep. Those of us who are going to get punished should be given the opportunity to quit working when our income has reached the limit and businesses should know that the effort it takes for expansion is a waste of time after they reach a certain level of growth.

    Oh, and do all these efforts to make sure America has no one who is rich include Obama's pals in Hollywood. Does that mean there will be no more $6 million movie deals for George Cluny and Barbara Streisand can only get $20,000 per concert and $6,000 in royalties for her records?

    And the plan for the federal government to employ everyone? Is the federal government going to just print money to give to them? I'll tell you right now that if the feds take everything I've earned, I'm darned if I'm going to work. I'll just stand in line with everyone else and receive what they're handing out. And I won't be paying ANY more taxes. There's an old fairy tale that involves killing the goose who layed the golden eggs. That's EXACTLY what Obama is proposing.

    Posted by Amy June 26, 08 03:00 PM
  1. William Harris #8, and Strggling American #13, you are both on right.

    Capitalism and free market create opportunity, which is what has brought people here from day one. Taxing coporate America will hurt the average person greatly. However, if you incentify corporate America to openly share the wealth, you will see some amzing things. If you think that is a dream, you don't understand free market or capitalism. Sharing profits can help increase profits which all companies and stockholders are interested in doing.

    Although I don't agree with a lot of Bush has done during his time in office, I have noticed that we have not suffered a ist attack since 9/11, and I would never have guessed that be the case on 9/12.

    PS - I am a registered Dem and will be voting for McCain based on national security and economic policy, and we'll see what happens with the rest.

    Posted by Lib in MD June 26, 08 03:12 PM
  1. To Ms. Stephanie Sanders: OK. A little socialism vis a vis Denmark is an interesting idea EXCEPT there are a LOT of differences between Denmark and the US. They are about the size of Kansas with a population of a little over 5 million folks. They are almost totally homogeneous. They have no big population of immigrants; few minorities; and their economy was pretty bad until they took controls OFF businesses and most of their GNP depends totally on exports. And even with the downturn in our economy and the price of gasoline, our standard of living is still higher and our average income is over $10,000 more without their confiscatory taxes.

    So just exactly how do you transfer the Denmark paradign to the much larger, much more diverse, much more wealthy US?

    Posted by Amy June 26, 08 03:32 PM
  1. Wow do any of you, both sides, have anything to back yourselves up? You're starting to sound like the candidate's! A bunch of he said he said. Don't make me pull this car over.

    #1.) Thank you for that. It was, well honestly, not very beneficial at all.
    #5.) Ken, thank you. Most intelligent post so far.
    #6.) Not bad, but please back that up with some facts. Daily show videos of West Virginians and assuming, just because McCain flip-flopped the last eight years, that the Bush administration would assume power because of racists isn't really a productive argument.
    #11.) Decent point. Look at office politics in large corporate settings. Hording power allows for job security, while reducing productivity and effectiveness. While sharing power offers lower job security, while increasing productivity and effectiveness.
    #25.) What basis do you have to go on that? I'm sure Obama bandwagon jumpers will resort to petty jabs like that. But so will McCain supporters, probably something to the affect of: Anyone who opposes McCain is a filthy liberal! Makes no sense and is political hackery.
    #40.) Did I really just read that correctly? You know what smart people are thinking? I'm assuming you're also intelligent - having come up with that gem. Hell, we should select you as the new, and only, Supreme Court Justice - considering you know what all the other ones are already thinking anyway. A better response would've been: "No right-minded, smart person would vote for Obama". Then you would have interjected you're knowledge of "other" smart people while defining your core beliefs, morals and political bias.
    #58.) You obviously were a bang-wagon Clinton supporter, just admit it. The two democratic nominees have literally the same policy. If you were for what Clinton stood for, there's no way you'd support McCain. Perhaps Obama is arrogant and there isn't enough history to judge him. But McCain is arrogant and has grudge/anger issues - that's been documented within his experience and is fact. What is your cake made out of anyway? Fluff and air? That's okay. When people start sticking there fork into this cake your baking, there going to be left very dissatisfied. Try mixing and baking your cake first before talking about which icing you're going to use.
    #67.) It was a good attempt, but you shot yourself in the foot. Please tell me you own nothing from China or any Southeast Asian nation. No, really? Look under the hood of your Ford or Chevy. Open your desktop tower and read the RAM or CPU chip. As a matter of fact, check your 401k or any other private retirement fund. Good point about the "Gay Marriage" initiative clogging up the court systems, but being gay has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. It's a moral and values issues. You can be a liberal in the political sense and oppose gay marriage, just as you can be a conservative in the political sense and support it. Let's not let personal morals confuse what true liberalism and conservatism is against today's skewed misconception.
    #85.) Murder babies? Are you saying that Dems would allow mothers to kill their infants? Well, not with guns of course... but perhaps knives? Give them a plastic bag and play pee-a-boo? Your definition of baby is slightly misleading; we all have different explanations of what a baby is. Fetus? Well then, there ya go. Oh, and google: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion. I hope after that you'll stick more relevant issues like the economy, Iraq, and education.
    93.) Yes. Yes you do. You don't love money? Come on now. Seriously, be truthful. Tell me about the time you got a bonus and was angry! Or the time you didn't and was filled with joy! That's a pretty asinine comment to make coming from any human with a pulse. True, money can create some pretty negative scenarios, but so does sleeping with your best friend's sister and I don't think that's a deadly sin. Lust? Perhaps, but she’s a mute and who is she going to tell?
    #95.) Hallelujah! You win sir! You had a great opening sentence, followed by facts and relevant opinions and an eloquent hypothetical closure. This thread is now justified.

    Thank you all for playing!

    Posted by Dan M June 26, 08 03:43 PM
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