Poll indicates Clinton would do better against McCain
It's likely too little, too late to make a difference, but a new national poll out today suggests that Hillary Clinton would fare better against Republican John McCain than likely Democratic nominee Barack Obama.
The USA Today/Gallup survey published today says Obama has an edge over McCain of 47 percent to 44 percent among registered voters, though that difference is within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. A month ago, McCain led 47 percent to 45 percent.
Clinton leads McCain 49 percent to 43 percent in the survey, conducted Friday through Sunday. She and her campaign have been making the electability argument that she would be the stronger Democratic nominee to the dwindling number of undeclared superdelegates who could stave off her elimination from the race.
The poll found no groundswell among Democrats for Clinton to quit the race: 59 percent say she should continue to campaign. And in what might reflect sympathy as she winds down her presidential bid, her favorability marks among all voters -- 54 percent favorable, 43 percent unfavorable -- are higher than in more than a year. Both Obama, at 58 percent, and McCain, at 56 percent, still have higher favorability numbers.



I can believe you are picking and choosing different things:
Among LIKELY voters:
Obama 49, McCain 44
Clinton 48, McCain 44
You are given numbers based on registered voters in total, which serious pollsters don't use because for a poll to be scientific the people got to be considered likely voter. Pay attention to every poll and see that they use the term "likely voter."
The poll has always indicted that Sen. Clinton would do better against McCain, but the Democratic nomination process is rigged and undemocratic, and Sen. Clinton should challenge the farce and immorality of this system.
Obama is seeking to clinch a stolen nomination with the MI delegates he hijacked. His endorsements from superdelegates have no integrity and are irresponsible.
No doubt Obama will be defeated in November when he will crash and burn and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck.
I will work for his resounding defeat and vote for McCain in a swing state. Obama, his supporters, and the DNC must be "punished" for not playing fair and square.
Superdelegates have a responsibility to endorse Sen. Clinton as the best qualified and the strongest presidential candidate to defeat McCain and win the general election in a landslide victory hands down.
As an independent I admire Hilliary Clintons strength and her fighting heart to claim the nomination.She is the true winner of the Primaries given all the negative published against her in the end its the person not the false accusation pile on her that really matter.Hilliary Clinton truly fought her way through while Barrack Hussein Obama the liberal media carried him to the finishing line without scrubbing everything that it need be known about him.
HRC is the best candidate. Obama has lost 6/8 in last two month after his association with wonderful people is known to public. Yet more to come
I would hate to think that Clinton's favorability ratings have been bumped by the prospect of her bowing out of the race at this point, in other words fulfilling the "gracious female" expectation.
Notwithstanding this apprehension, I believe her favorability ratings are well-deserved by her show of strength and resilience as a candidate.
Clinton should go to the convention. The convention is specifically for situations like this where neither candidate can get enough votes without superdelegates. The premature and cowardly movement by supers to push obama over the top before the convention is political opportunism and positioning.
Since Obamas rev wright scandal..(which goes beyond the church and questions Obamas values and beliefs about the American people) his "wide support" has narrowed considerably. We have yet to see Obama make clear commitments and bring forth policy initiatives. The DNC supers need to do their job, not be swayed by fanfair and bias.
Putting the Clintons back in the White House is the worst mistake this country could make for a second time. HRC would cripple us even further.
I am a lifelong Democrat. HRC is the way to go. I will not vote for Obama.
I guess I'll be voting Republican.
Clinton is finished. Hand-wringing and second-guessing now is just pointless.
I think that people are forgetting that if Sen. Clinton was the nominee, the Republicans would have a FIELD DAY going over her "baggage". I know Sen. Obama will get knocked around, but there is so much hidden in the Clinton closet that she'd be in a fine mess. Sen. Obama did not bring any of her baggage to the forefront, but you can surely bet that Sen. McCain will.
I cannot believe the American people are so misguided as to have not got Clinton nominated.
I am a registered democrat.
I am so ashamed and disillusioned with the way my party has handled this primary.
I will not vote for Sen Obama in the presidential election if he becomes the democratic party presidential nominee. Sen Obama is a 'manufactured candidate' with many puppetmasters.
I have begun ivestigating what options I have as a voter in November. All that I am certain of is that I do not want to cast my vote for the republican candidate-.
Gallup is a Republican run pole mostly used for Republican purposes. In other words when you do a pole the people taking the pole have to be trustworthy. Anyone knows a pole can be slanted anyway you want it by qualifying the polees (the ones you ask the question of). Still don't get it? You'd make a great pollster>
National polls mean nothing. NOTHING. Because the national election isn't a determined by national popular vote. It is state by state. So only those polls matter.
Obama and McCain have only just begun to debate. As the race to the White House really gains momentum and the Democratic nomination fades in the rear view, I think we'll see Obama bury McCain. He's more articulate, intelligent and NOT an ex-military Republican. Nuff' said.
buyer remorse will set in soon ...
Hello - she is GUARANTEED to win OH, FL, MI, and PA against St John (Obama may be able to carry 2 of these 4 states) ...
Well said All-in in NC, Clinton is the candidate who has the strongest support base to win the election: women, blue collar, Jewish, Asian, Latina. As well as the huge swathe of middle America that will support Hillary over McCain, she won New York and California. By backing Barack, the Democrats are cutting their noses to spite their faces. Sad for America.
We all know the Clinton's, they conveniently ignored the genocide of Rwanda's Christians. Now 77% of Rwandan Tutsis are dead, and we all know who to blame for inaction and complicity. THE CLINTONS. WE WILL NEVER FORGET. We also won't forget the time that when the US House of Reps was FINALLY about to recognize the Armenian Genocide, Cinton gave a call to have it removed from house floor at the last second. SHAME ON YOU CLINTONS. You have blood on your hands. Hundreds of thousands of them. Shame.
Clinton wanted to cheat and change the rules and she was racially divisive. No different then the Republicans (cheating and race baiters). She just a rich millionaire girl from the suburbs of Chicago.
Hillary is pathetic. Her own party mates have made her believe that she was the electable candidate. This was the reason why she had stayed too long in the campaign. Unfortunately, it wasn't so. She was subjected to an unnecessary cajolery, of which she had very little control. To a fault, she had believe all those ass lickers. Now, she is all wound to lick her wounds. Er... I mean with Bill and Chelsea. Pathetic, indeed.
I think Obama has to Pick HRC as a running mate to try to heal remaining wounds in the democratic party, admittly im a Republican but Obama need the white blue collar vote and hispanic vote and McCain is pretty strong in those groups. HRC is strong in those groups and could help Obama with those groups. With that I would vote for anyone who would open up Anwr and offshore drilling that would help brige the gap until alternative energy sources start to work economically.
I am a registered DEM but going GOP if Obama is the nominee. I just cannot vote a candidate with nothing more than a "hype" and lots of baggages in his closet that have not come out yet.
I rather go with an old man than a person who do not have anything but "change" without substance.
Hillary is pathetic. Her own party mates have made her believe that she was the electable candidate. This was the reason why she had stayed too long in the campaign. Unfortunately, it wasn't so. She was subjected to an unnecessary cajolery, of which she had very little control. To a fault, she had believe all those ass lickers. Now, she is all wound to lick her wounds. Er... I mean with Bill and Chelsea. Pathetic, indeed.
The DNC is taking a HUGE gamble with Obama in November
Senator Clinton as won 8 of the last 10 contests, most by landslides, the superdelegates have irrationally flocked to obama.
The media has been merciless. msnbc, abc has been blatantly anti-hillary with sexism thrown in. many obama supporters have claimed to independent analysts when their views were obvious.
The Democratic party has made it's bed and will have to lie in it in November
If the numbers were not so close then you could probably agree that the Democratic candidates should come together but since they are so close the best thing for honesty of purpose would be for Hillary to do to the Democratic party what it did to her and kick it in the butt. I'd rather have a female Independent in the Whitehouse than a anyone in the pocket of a Mafia fixer. But then that's me.
Have fun with the polls...but remember:
there is a certain vote that is always under the (polls')
radar. It put David Duke in a runoff for the governorship
in Louisiana, and George Wallace into a strong bid for
the presidency. I keep hearing true believers speak of
new registrants, new young attitudes, the New South.
But The South will go Republican and we'll all watch
PA, Ohio, Michigan and VA. Maybe we have turned the page...
and maybe the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Get over it, Hillary does not need your simpathy and pity - get behind Obama and take the WH back in November!
Well looky, every time there's a crazy ministerial speech demonstrating racial hatred at Trinity church, there's a wee dip in the polls against Obama. The pattern has been for him to be responsible and responsive and the polls react so the wee dip has changed to a net gain. Certainly this will persist in the general election. The Republicans will have lots of destructive ruinous video at their disposal, including campaign and debate performances by Clinton. It is for that reason that a VP role for her alarms me. Those video clips can discredit both of them, more bang for the Republican buck and you know how that goes. So this poll just has that reaction to the crazy priest in it.
Hillary seems like she would rather destroy the democratic party than lose the nomination. She couldn't win with the rules everybody agreed to, so she went to court to change the rules.
Now she's making this bogus "popular vote" argument that includes the Michigan voters, where Obama wasn't even on the ballot, and of whom 40% voted "uncommitted" rather than vote for Hillary. She's running out of straws to grab at. And if she keeps it up, she's going to hand the presidency to John McCain.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans are behind keeping Hillary in the race.
After the non-stop and heavily biased reporting of the American media the best that the Obama can do is manage a tie with McCain then the axis of evil, i.e., The New York Times, USA Today, Huffington Post, George Soros, NBC/MSNBC, CNN, Time and Newsweek need to redouble their efforts and force feed us some more about the Obama the Saint. Cast away any pretense of intellectual objectivity or moral and professional principles of your craft . Take the cue from your standard bearer-the Obama. And why not? He sold you on a meaningless tag line. And you can't see through the hysteria the ordinary politician he is and has been. The pied piper plays the mesmerising tune and you follow him to your doom all the way frolicking. Frightening.
maybe that is why the dnc and the false AP news today (about her conceding to obama) are afraid of. she might win both South Dakota and Montana and that would not fit in to the narative that the msm and dnc have written.
Go Clinton, don't let them drive you out.
Hillary Clinton should run for president on an independent ticket after the way the DNC has treated her. Obama is not qualified to be a president - never in military, never ran a company, a city, a county, a state or a government agency. Never initiated major legislation - a 1st term senator who has written some very self-absorbed and aggrandized books.
Clinton would beat both Obama and McCain.
Know why Hillary polls like she does? Two words: Operation Chaos (not that she doesn't also have a solid base as well, she clearly does). Within a month we sill see every poll demonstrating crushing defeat for McCain. For Hillary supporters who want to "punish" the DNC, this is not the time to be vengeful. Too much is at stake (although I suspect many comments like this are from right-wing trolls). Lets let our emotions simmer and put a Dem in office. Otherwise, we are just being puppets of the right-wing machine. God Bless.
Sour grapes. Obama and his advisers simply out smarted the Clinton camp.
She was the presumptive favorite and front runner before a single vote was cast. The election was hers to lose and she and her team did exactly that when then encounter a better organized and sophisticated opponent. True she won the last 6 of 8 primaries, but at the point they figured it out what worked and started to running a half decent campaign it was just too late.
The Obama Team in a very calculated fashion identified the states they could win and the contests that need to be close in to maximize delegates and popular totals and then implimented that plan in a very precise and strategic fashion. Additionally, they developed a fund-raising machine the likes of which have never been seen in election politics. If you look at it objectively it is quite brilliant.
Obama and his advisors devised and impliment a plan to win the nomination, exectued the plan and accomplished their objective. Anyone who can do that deserves to be president.
Your headline leaves the subtile impression that Obama is behind McCain in the polls, and that Clinton would have a better chance of winning against McCain. Is that intentional, or are you just trying to de-rail Obama's candicacy before it even gets started? An honest headline would have read, "Poll indicates Clinton could beat McCain by One point more than Obama." That would be fair and balanced, but evidently that is not your goal. You also know that one point on a single poll means nothing-- especially when there is a margin of error of four percentage points! Go back fairly reporting the news and skip the sensationalism and manipulation. ~ Lilianne~
I can't imagine even a Republican running a more dishonest and toxic campaign of destruction than the one Hillary Clinton presided over. She voiced concerns about Obama being "vetted" and ready for the ugliness of a general election season, and thanks to her and her sleazy attack machine, I'd say he's primed and ready.
Type your comment here... He beat her fair and square. She had all the good cards in her hand. She squandered them, and then moved the goal post. It is not moral and american what people are doing to Obama. Americans have always rooted for the underdog, and that was Obama. Obama had everything against him. Any other assumption, is dishonest warped thinking. At least be fair. Fairness is in the American DNA for blacks and whites, and all americans. Some older white women are still acting like the white southern belle, in the slave plantation. There seems to be amnesia there and convinient thinking. There is also a sense of entitlement and privledge. Can they move further for more than just sex with black men. Many white men are evolving and they seem ready to lead the world in what is best for all the earth's inhabitants. They know white men rule the world. It will only help the world right now to have a person of color having an active voice. Remember, the world is at least 70% people of color. Have some benevolence. Climb aboard older white women; I hope this is not your true color. Older, White, women, this country needs you. All americans are depending on you to be the fair mothers of this land. You have done so in the past, and please do so in the future. Take your mantle with honour and scales of fairness. Take off that white sheet. God Bless all Americans, and old white women too. Obama's mother was one. LOL
Obama will never win GE.
He will try all dirty politics (poll rigging, threats to voters, etc). But it's America, not Nigeria or Indonesia.
This tactic will fail and then McCain (the MAN OF INTEGRITY) will win the GE. US will fare vey will with McCain as President. He has lots in common with the Democratic policy.
The Democratic Party is poised to select as its nominee a person whose qualifications for the job consist almost entirely of his service in a state legislature for eight years and one controlled by the other party at that. I have never voted for a Republican for President before but I will now. Others can continue to drink the purple cool aid.
I was an Independent, registered a Democrat due to Seantor Clinton and her amazing command of the issues, policies, plans and perseverance. Then Obama, the DNC and the "party" decided my voted didn't count. They also decided MI voters didn't count as much as a bunch of party idiots in a room with someone's hand in there pockets and they bcame the UNDemocratic party in that instant. I am going back to Independent staus, will vote for McCain in the Fall so as to keep this lying, racist, inexperienced, poor-judgement, "typical politican" Obama out of control of our great country that he routinely slams in the back rooms of church and fundraising meetings. Amazing to see a party that was a shoo-in to the WH throw it all away based on "new rules" and a spinning of old rules. Amazing to see how the MSM has just sucked up to the annointed one with arms outraised and nose's browned. Back when Obama was down in this race he stated many times that the superdelegates (there's an oxymoron) should not overturn the will of the people. Now that he's ahead that message has seemed to disappear from his rolodex of rhetorical speeches and political one liners. What a joke! You want to know why Obama's ratings go down along with the races he keeps losing? Because the more we know of him, the less we like. Good luck " undemocrats" you just lost this election!
I was an Independent, registered a Democrat due to Senator Clinton and her amazing command of the issues, policies, plans and perseverance. Then Obama, the DNC and the "party" decided my vote didn't count. They also decided MI voters didn't count as much as a bunch of party idiots in a room with someone's hand in their pockets and they became the UNDemocratic party in that instant. I am going back to Independent staus, I will vote for McCain in the Fall so as to keep this lying, racist, inexperienced, poor-judgement, "typical politican" Obama out of control of our great country that he routinely slams in the back rooms of church and fundraising meetings. Amazing to see a party that was a shoo-in to the WH throw it all away based on "new rules" and a spinning of old rules. Amazing to see how the MSM has just sucked up to the annointed one with arms outraised and nose's browned. Back when Obama was down in this race he stated many times that the superdelegates (there's an oxymoron) should not overturn the will of the people. Now that he's ahead that message has seemed to disappear from his rolodex of rhetorical speeches and political one liners. What a joke! You want to know why Obama's ratings go down along while the list of races he keeps losing goes up? Because the more we know of him, the less we like. Good luck " undemocrats" you just lost this election!
Clinton is clearly the better candidate. But the media's coordinated effort to shut her down continues with some news outlets even totally ignoring the Fr. Pflegler story and the Puerto Rico primary (the Palm Beach Post outdid itself this past week by doing both, and by filling its oped pages with anti-Hillary articles and even selecting only anti-Hillary letters to the editor for publication ... and this in a county she won in the FL primary, a county infamous for its hanging chads!). And, to make sure that efforts to shut Clinton down continue full speed ahead, the media has opened up another front on Hillary with "news" of the Vanity Fair article on Bill Clinton. But she's tougher than all of them. Go Hillary! Hang in and see what the coming months will bring.
Raise your hand if you think any of these supposed "Democrats voting for McCain" posting in this blog are actually registered/practicing Democrats?
*counts hands*
Well the idiots have spoken.
Hillary WILL beat McCain..this is not news.
The DNC and Kerry and Company are willing for the Democrats to lose the election.
*** Just notice all Hillary Clinton life long friends,** now there is not a soul that can point to any life long friends during this primary...He keeps them hidden **..*The Republicans are going to weekly roll out these fringe characters out.
*The Michelle Factor is enough to bury Obama. She was a student of Rev Wright 36 years thus Obama is in bed with the "hate White" group.
*The super-delegates are now joining this scam element and Stealing this election from the Democrats. "SHAME ON THEM" for not reading the TRUE statistics of who is really winning this Primary, Hillary Rodham Clinton!
Obviously the "polls" can not be taken seriously as each day there seems to be one in direct contrast to another.
Hey, I just took a poll, it seems there is a 95 percent chance the moon is made of cheese, give or take 4 percentage points.
Obviously the "polls" can not be taken seriously as each day there seems to be one in direct contrast to another.
Hey, I just took a poll, it seems there is a 95 percent chance the moon is made of cheese, give or take 4 percentage points.
Are you people really all that foolish?
He won by any definition of the rules, even after Clinton bent them to get FL and MI half-votes. Even if you count FL and MI fully, he wins.
Exactly how is that a rigged election, because your candidate didn't win?
This country needs to grow up and start thinking about its future.
As an Obama supporter who would vote for Hillary without hesitation if she were the nominee, I have one question for all the Clinton supporters posting here: Is it possible that a message of change is more powerful in 2008 than a message of experience and that the Democratic nomination was not "cheated," "hijacked," "stolen" or "rigged?"
To crat3... Bitter, party of one, your table is waiting. Maybe you should do both a fact check and also a personal reality check. As concerns Obama's punishment for not playing fair and square, maybe you should consider Hilary's statement that she has "won more of the popular vote", when her campaign refuses to recognize the votes Obama garnered during all the caucuses, in that calculation. Or that Hilary admitted (when it didn't seem to matter) that the results of the primary in Michigan would not count --- and yes, those are her words, not mine. But now that they matter so desperately to her and her hopes... by god they better count.
You can't have it both ways crat3, you can't just shove your head in the sand when it serves your purpose. And if your plans are to vote for McCain... then good riddance. We don't need you in our party... the Demorcratic Party... not the Hilary Clinton Party.
How on earth is an Independent Hillary Clinton more electable?
Certainly she will defecate on her own party and run independent, she's all about Hillary!!!!!!
is the difference (between the amount Hillary/Bill can beat McCain and the amount Barack will beat McCain) statistically significant enough to matter?
We are talking about a 4% margin of error.
I don't really think this is enough 'data' to support the argument that the Clintons will do better.
I would buy the argument of 2(Hill/Bill) against 1 McCain) before I buy this one.
I remember way back when the Obama campaign insisted that the superdelegates should not be allowed to decide the nomination prematurely. What a change of tune. This hardly feels like a victory, so much as a display of desperation to force Hillary concede. The determination to drive Hillary out of the race before we all found out the truth about Obama's weaknesses has been going on for months now. These frantic news reports coming out of the Obama campaign attempting to declare victory for the past several days and abetted by the press are just a pathetic spectacle. Does the media even realize how little credibility they have now?
This makes no sense! Obama has clearly been running the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and Clinton has shown that she is essentially a hawk.
I think you folks are mistaken here.
1) Electability.
a) The first poster described why this type of statistical analysis is flawed - it cherrypicks data based on the span of likely vs. registered voters to manipulate data.
b) It's also flawed to take polls NOW as indicative of the general election because Obama has barely gotten started campaigning against McCain and he'll probably win over at least some of the Clinton supporters between now and November.
c) National polls don't determine who becomes president - it's all about the electoral map, and Obama has the potential to make serious inroads.
2)M
Everyone invoking Obama's middle name against him has all the crediblity of a town drunk running through the streets naked screaming "I've been abducted by aliens!"
It's hard to believe the pettiness of some of the small-minded Democrats in this commentary who say they will not vote for Obama. Wake up and get a grip. It's up to all of you whiners to look at the larger picture here. Just stay home on election day and feel self-righteous and smug. Yes, that's the best choice absolutely. Then you can feel like you really are CHANGING things.
Why on earth would the Democratic Party nominate the best candidate when Senator Obama will bring the young and the black voters? I heard that the women as always will forget and jump on his band wagon.
crat3,
"I will work for his resounding defeat and vote for McCain in a swing state. Obama, his supporters, and the DNC must be "punished" for not playing fair and square."
Cry about it. Your person lost fair and square, so know you are going to try and run the basketball down court and score in your own basket against your team. I'm happy that you are not on my team anymore. Your intellegence and compassion are better served with the republicans, good riddance!
B.O. is desperate to try to scramble to get more superdelegates to aign on for him because he knows that tonight it will be clear to all that the voters did NOT put him over the top! The decision is now in the hands of the superdelegates and it is their responsibility to carefully study which candidate is most likely to win in November. If they are not being biased, they will have to admit it is Hillary. B.O. is flat out UNELECTABLE! No matter how much certain people share the anti-American rhetoric of his associates, we can NOT have a President who grants the principles of black (marxist) liberation theology because they are divisive, encourage racism, conspiracy thinking, and violence! People will have months to read the tenets of this "religion" that Obama still supports---it's is nothing more than radical Black Muslimism being labeled as a kind of Christianity (one of "black liberation)!
kevin,
"Since Obamas rev wright scandal..(which goes beyond the church and questions Obamas values and beliefs about the American people) his "wide support" has narrowed considerably. "
I know you dont think that everyone is exactly like the people they associate with or know. Your logic here implies that "ALL KIDS ARE EXACTLY LIKE THEIR PARENTS." If that was true, GWB would have been a better president.
To Len Kody comment " Hillary seems like she would rather destroy the democratic party than lose the nomination.
"THE DEMOCRATIC ELITEST PARTY LEADERS had BETRAYED THEMSELFS
by endorcing Obama before end...and you call that "Democracy"???
I am French born US citizen for the past 25 years, and let me tell you America is WELL OVERDUE for a third and even a 4 party, let's face it, two-party system just doesn't seem to be working for the American people any longer!
Being realistic, the Dem. Party has no intention of allowing Sen. Clinton to be nominated, no manner how many people protest or how obvious their election rigging becomes. And the media will cover for them, whatever they do. If there's still time, she should register in 50 states to be on the ballot as an independent. This is surely her best bet, If she's serious about not quitting, her team needs to get her name on the November ballot by any means possible (i.e. as an independent candidate). She won't need a big-money campaign in the fall either, because the Republican and Democratic candidates will demolish each other in TV ads, leaving her as the only smart choice.
BEST MAN JOB IS A WOMEN
Bill,
"I am a lifelong Democrat. HRC is the way to go. I will not vote for Obama.
I guess I'll be voting Republican."
Vote your beliefs not your spite.
All the self-described Dems whining about the "evil" Obama and how he stole (stole???) the nomination from Hillary should take a look at the make-up of the Supreme Court before casting their ballots for McSame as they threaten to do. Do you really want yet another right-wing Republican nominating justices? Do you understand that the youngest members of the Court are Alito, Thomas, and Roberts, all right wing conservatives, and the oldest members are Ginsburg and Stevens? Do you understand that the swing vote is Kennedy, and he's 71 years old? Over the next four years the new President is BOUND to appoint justices.
A vote for McCain is a vote for total Republican domination of the Supreme Court.
The Democratic primaries may have brought out many people, but they have also caused many voters to feel that the voice of democracy has been stifled. We, the People have voted, and so many have turned their backs on us. How they in good conscience could have supported Obama in the final hours is incredible. For the Democratic Party this is a suicidal mission and the ultimate hypocricy in the word "democratic". They will never win.
This is the bottom line: A system that alternates between two family dynasties is not a democracy.
If Obama is a gamble, so be it. I'd rather take a gamble than more of the past. In terms of electability, just wait for him to debate McCain and everything will change.
The Clinton administration was a horrible farce of a thing, and throughout this campaign Hillary has pulled out every dirty trick -- including trying to make it seem like her votes are being stolen. She AGREED to the rules that FL and MI would not count, then she pushed for them to be counted after she fell behind, and now a compromise was reached, and her supporters cry foul.
Listen to these moronic Clintonites now planning on voting republican -- demonstrating the fact that none of them are truly committed to progressive values, but are instead committed the Clinton dynasty. So much so, they’d prefer another four years of Bush policies to Obama.
Personally, I think Obama should squarely turn his back on Hillary and the manipulative politics she represents. He should pick a woman for VP, but not Clinton.
NO HILLARY FOR VP!
2 THINGS TO CONSIDER:
1. Both Hillary and Obama do better against McCain....America WANTS a democrat this go-around.
2. People are also answering these polls with 3 variables.....the people who support Obama might not think that Hillary can beat McCain and Vice Versa.....to have an accurate poll we need a deffinate nominee.....
Watch the polls change sharply when the DEMS are done duking it out
Here is a question.
A child has the choice between Green M&Ms and Red M&Ms. Both taste the same. Both are the same shape, and are made from the same factory(same ideals, almost identical ideals). Both are out of the same bag (democrats). The child likes M&Ms more then jolly ranchers (republicans).
The child's mother takes away the green M&Ms. Now the kid has a choice between brown M&Ms and jolly ranchers.
WHY WOULD THE CHILD CHOOSE JOLLY RANCHERS?
Because the child doesn't like the color red. If everything else is the same, nothing else could make the child change his like of M&Ms....
That is what I think when I read some of these ridiculous blogs.
Clinton fans? It's like stupid in stereo. Clinton was a decent president, that doesn't qualify his wife as jack. She has about as much real political experiance as Obama. Let's face it the only people that won't vote for him are the Democrats version of rednecks, elitests. Uptight self righteous white people. Obama represents the real America, yeah he's got family ties, but he's not sporting them, as opposed to her having Bill do her speaking for her. The only way I'd ever vote Republican is Ron Paul, and Bitter rich white people wouldn't allow him to be heard (watch every debate with him in it and you'll see). This isn't a country it's a corporation, and Obama has less stock in the company, so I have more faith in him.
In the interests of accurately portraying reality (since so many commenters here can't do that)...Clinton has NOT won 8 of the last 10 contests. The last 10 contests have been:
Puerto Rico - Clinton
Oregon - Obama
Kentucky - Clinton
West Virginia - Clinton
North Carolina - Obama
Indiana - Clinton
Guam - Obama (but the vote was close, so the delegates split evenly)
Pennsylvania - Clinton
Mississippi - Obama
Wyoming - Obama
That goes back to March 8th. Since that time, they've each won 5 contests.
Clinton's last three wins have been by big margins. This coincides with Obama stopping his primary campaigning and moving into general election campaign mode in other states that will be important in November. He understood that the math was impossible for Clinton and he couldn't waste anymore time fighting another Democrat while McCain goes unchallenged. These three victories were also places that were not going to vote for Obama in November no matter what happened. Demographics in Appalachia (Kentucky/West Virginia) just aren't favorable to Obama. The fact that they happened so close together at this point in the campaign is just a quirk of the schedule. Puerto Rico doesn't vote in November, and it's quite silly to think its results are meaningful (and the same for Obama's victories in the other territories).
Her wins in Pennsylvania and Indiana were by 9% and 1%, respectively (not wide margins). Please look up how many contests he has won by 30%+. You may be surprised to see he has more major blowouts than she does. But the Clinton campaign would like you to think that February didn't happen.
Anyway, for those who say they are voting for McCain because Obama somehow "stole" the election from Clinton...You are either:
a) Not a Democrat (so find another place to troll)
b) A Democrat so blinded by something like racism or simply the perceived injustice of the loss by your preferred candidate that you'd sell out on all of the progressive policies advocated by Clinton (which Obama agrees with almost without exception) to vote for McCain (even though he is on the opposite side of most of the issues). Remember that in addition to signing bills into law, the president also appointments judges. Do you really want McCain to stack the Supreme Court with a Constitution-destroying conservative majority that will last 20 years beyond his term? Do you really want to cut off your nose to spite your face?
I really hope things calm down by November and we can come together. Whether Obama was your preferred candidate (or Clinton, Edwards, etc.), our country cannot afford 4 years of McCain fulfilling the third term of Bush's disastrous presidency.
"This isn't a country it's a corporation, and Obama has less stock in the company, so I have more faith in him."
Posted by G June 3, 08 04:23 PM
Right on. Hopefully he'll turn it back into a Country. Suck it Hillary supporters, I quit crying over Edwards long ago, so stop acting like children. "If I can't have that Hillary doll I'm going to throw a tantrum in the store and vote McCain!" Get over yourselves. The only ones you have to blame are the MI and FL democratic parties who thought they could have their cake and eat it too.
THANK YOU TIM!!!!!!!!
All you insane wanna-be Democrats who claim you;ll be voting GOP if Obama gets the DNC nomination, go back to the sticks where you came from and let the adults vote this election the way it should be.
DO YOU REALLY THING McCain COULD MAKE ANY CHANGES IN WASHINGTON?
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THIS COUNTRY'S CURRENT STATUS AND DIRECTION?
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!
McCain is more of the same in Washington and if he is elected this country is DOOMED!!!!
I believe a McCain / Clinton ticket would finally be something I could vote for, at least we would have a voice !
I never trusted Hillary Clinton ever since she donned an NY ball cap and said, "I've always been a Yankee fan!" when she first ran for the Senate. That was dishonest and blatent pandering. How could I trust anything she said afterward? She has constantly lowered the length of time the troops would stay in Iraq as the primaries rolled on.
I now think that she is a closet neocon. Her supporters pledge to vote for McCain rather than Obama proves that are both right wingers. Maybe Clinton should be McCain's vice president. That's a winning ticket. Joe Lieberman could be thier butler.
Obama is not perfect, but is the only real outsider who I think is 90% honest. Also, I think his name is cool.
To Len Kody comment " Hillary seems like she would rather destroy the democratic party than lose the nomination.
"THE DEMOCRATIC ELITEST PARTY LEADERS had BETRAYED THEMSELFS
by endorcing Obama before end...and you call that "Democracy"???
I am French born US citizen for the past 25 years, and let me tell you America is WELL OVERDUE for a third and even a 4 party, let's face it, two-party system just doesn't seem to be working for the American people any longer!
Being realistic, the Dem. Party has no intention of allowing Sen. Clinton to be nominated, no manner how many people protest or how obvious their election rigging becomes. And the media will cover for them, whatever they do. If there's still time, she should register in 50 states to be on the ballot as an independent. This is surely her best bet, If she's serious about not quitting, her team needs to get her name on the November ballot by any means possible (i.e. as an independent candidate). She won't need a big-money campaign in the fall either, because the Republican and Democratic candidates will demolish each other in TV ads, leaving her as the only smart choice.
BEST MAN JOB IS A WOMEN
"No matter how much certain people share the anti-American rhetoric of his associates, we can NOT have a President who grants the principles of black (marxist) liberation theology because they are divisive, encourage racism, conspiracy thinking, and violence! People will have months to read the tenets of this "religion" that Obama still supports---it's is nothing more than radical Black Muslimism being labeled as a kind of Christianity (one of "black liberation)!
Posted by Hatshepsut June 3, 08 04:11 PM"
So, as opposed to a good White Patriotic Christian Pastureized Woman who would dust centuries of slavery and decades of civil right violations under a rug? And they say Hillary supporters aren't against Obama because of his race...
What's that one word black people use in this type of situation... Something like, ignorant?
Ex-Democrat now voting for McCain.
I agree with spankerit. HILLARY SHOULD RUN AS AN INDEPEDENT. Now that's a true and fair contest for everyone.
To Hillary team and advisers; I hope this is your plan B when worse comes to worst. Forget about the party which has betrayed Hillary. It's all about our goal for true and dedicated service and leadership.
This is the best way to the White House!
It was established that she is a liar. She is obviously unable to handle money. Now she is a cheat. Yeah... gets my vote.
Boy you guys like to get riled up!!!!! Republican males are posting on every blog saying they are Hillary supporters and are going to vote for Mccain. You guys are falling for the fake posts. Only a male would believe that a woman could be so shallow or uninformed as to switch parties at this time when actions have made it perfectly clear what the republican party stands for. Give all the hard earned tax money to the rich , the corporations, the arms dealers. Make it impossible to make your house payments so home owners can become renters again so rich landlords can become richer. Make wages decrease buying power decrease, more hours less pay. Send the poor kids who can't afford an eduction to fight colonial wars. Have larger corporations and chains destroy all mom and pop, family run businesses. Give oil companies carte blanc to destroy Alaska, charge $5+ a gallon and pocket obscene profits, while destroying the environment with impunity. take away all the rights and dignity of American citizens. You know how to tell they are Republican males. Males are the ones who root for local teams and have this blindness that says everything my team does is right and everything the other team does is wrong. Why do you think this does not excite women, they look at the thing objectively. Sure a lot of women will be disappointed if Hillary isn't the nominee. Sure they will grieve but anyone who thinks they will act like a 12 year old boy is a misogynist.
this article serves no purpose.
try pollster.net
it's over and to the little HRC supporter and / or manager that influenced this quixotic article, papa says!
This is how you know we Clinton supporters won't be coming over. Every time we encounter Obama supporters, they spew hate, divisiveness, meanness, pettiness. Did you not read the memo from your 'messiah'? You're supposed to be courting us, sweetie. You need our votes. See, the 17 million you've got is not going to put your boy in the WH. Our 17 million could defeat your boy handily should we take those votes somewhere else.
Well, you suddenly need a lot of us to help you out, now doncha?
But no, like a bunch of smarmy collegiate brats who've never been in the real world, read a couple of books while financed by your parents, listened to some arrogant professors, and suddenly feel you are emminently more clever and can convince others to your (limited) point of view by bullying, cajoling, demeaning, spewing one-upmanship....well, good luck with that.
Republicans are looking more civil and attractive by the moment.
Sharonevolving, we don't need anyone who, after the last eight years, could even contemplate voting republican. Despite your inflated sense of self-importance and far-flung generalizations, you are dead wrong.
Well, take your poor judgment and go ahead and run as far away from the democratic party as you can. You can explain to your grandchildren how you contributed to the downfall of their country and planet.
I am so upset with our present government..PLEASE!! Mrs. Clinton stay in and
fight....until the committee changes the outcome of Florida and Michigan. Can't
we sue or something?? All of America saw what has happened!!! You have been
railroaded..in front of us all!!!. We cannot have another upset as we saw with the
Gore campaign....If we have to; see about the vice presidency! Because "NO
WAY" can Ivote for Obama. He frightens me. If your there I feel alittle bit better
about our safety... I personally know of at least 18 people that won't vote for
Obama even if you areasked to run for vice-president.
I AM a registered Democrat as well as a woman and DID vote for Hillary Clinton and I AM voting for John McCain. Go to Polling Points.com and you will see Hillary is in the lead of everything electable. Barack does NOT have experience running a comapny, corporation, heck he did not even vote for any bills in the senate; he vote PRESENT, which means maybe yes or maybe no, we want a president that may vote maybe yes or maybe no, I'm not sure which one. Hillary is the stronger and maost electable canidate to be President. I honestly think that the real men out there were afraid to have a woman in the White House. Shame on you. What do you tell your daughters when they say "I want to be President of the United States"? the North Eastern American Indian tribes had women in the important positions. Men did not go to war unless the women said it was necessary. I guess we will have another republican for president of the United States and that is because men did not want a woman in the White House. I hope that you can live with the repricussions that come from this.
Obama speaks of change and hope. If he wins the General Election, the only change America will see is the White House becoming the Black House….
McCain cannot get 75% of the republicans that even show up in the later primaries. McCain is constitutionally ineligible and has many corruption issues. You will see the Isman million in fees and billions in media cross legislation issues come up. McCain is a very flawed corrupt candidate. The best thing you could say about this election is Clothes Pins sales will be up.
I AM HAPPY TO SEE WHITE AMERICANS ARE LOSERS! DID I SAY AMERICAN NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT? WOMEN IS THE BEST.
GUess what i meant?
goodluck all!
2%?
Seriously? An article about a 2% difference?
And actually, if you don't cherry-pick the parts of the poll that suit your ridiculous story, you'd find that Obama leads in 'likely voters'
What a garbage article, and the mainstream media wonders why everyone thinks they suck.
"Ex-Democrat now voting for McCain. "
Die. No, seriously. Go dive off a cliff.
I'm dying with laughter at the thought of Obama needing a bunch of bitter women who can't get over the fact the candidate with a vagina isn't going to win. Go vote McCain, you lunatics.
Question for all you old bitter women: if you're so powerful why couldn't your candidate beat a junior black Senator with 'no experience'?
Face it - you're overrated, irrelevant, and nobody cares that you're voting McSame. If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize it's your own issues you'll be working against. Filthy hypocrites, that's what you are. Enjoy the losing side.
i am a democrat now voting for McCain!!
Hmmm...USA today...same parent company as FOX News....hmmm.....
I am deeply saddened that race still is an issue is this country. For my follow bloggers to say they would rather vote for Mcain which has a opposite view on foreign policy and the war than Hillary Clinton is adsurbed and ridiculous. You would rather change political view from Democrat to Republican because a black man is in the seat is pure ignorance. Obama won the Democratic election because clearly the American people with common sense saw he is the better candidate for the democratic office. He shares the same view as Hillary Clinton but he is just a different color. It is people like #8 that will put another Republican in the office based on your insecurities and lack of knowledge of the African American race....because you feel Obama is inferior to your race.....well you know what....haha...Obama is here and he aint going no where....so get use to an educated successful non-biased black man running this country...because it's about time we put someone in the office that represents black,white,poor,and well to do because he is a combination of all....that's my restitution...that he was nominated...was all I needed..BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!! So long Hillary and the Clinton Machine...please exit with class and dignity!!!!!!
Like many Clinton supporters, I don't like Obama ... I can not longer recognize, nor do I like the Democratic party anymore ... therefore, I wish Hillary would run as an Independent. It's worked for other candidates ... like Joe Leiberman. At least as an independent democracy would prevail if Hillary won the popular vote ... again.
If Hillary decides not to run as an Independent, I hope that millions of Hillary supporters will join me in voting for Senator John McCain.
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