Military favors McCain, poll finds

There are some pretty ironic numbers there. Imagine that more veterans voted for George W. even though the quality of his military service was at best a mixed bag, while John Kerry came from the same sort of blue blood background, but was a true combat veteran who put his life on the line. He railed against the vietnam war when he understood that it was a fraud. Thanks in part to being swiftboated, Kerry Lost. Thanks in part to all the veterans who voted for him, all George W. did was start another fraudulent war and get more than 4 thousand Americans killed in a place where victory isn't possible and bankrupted the country. What does this say about the forces that influence the military culture? More vets need to open their eyes to what's really going on. We needed McCain in 2000, now we need someone else.

I quit the military because I wouldn't serve a coward like Bush. Why would a veteran vote for a Bush clone? I disbelieve this report. Most officers that I was in with got out in the last 8 years. We would never go against the CiC while in but now that I'm out I haven't met too many military that thought bush was anything but a failure and incompitant. McCain wasn't that good a pilot or an officer, (evinced by his being shot down). I don't think we can afford another republican loser.

Nobody asked my family...
We are One WWII Airforce Veteran, and two Vietnam Veterans from the Marines.... who are ALL VOTING FOR O'BAMA! Guess we should take another poll... in fact I was in line for lunch, next to a seviceman in fatigues, I thanked him for his service and said "now let's get you guys home and O'Bama elected" ... just to test the waters, and he HEARTILY agreed!....
So there you have it.... a different Poll.

Also as a non-christan person, if we are going to have pastors interviewing candidates, can we also have Jewish Rabbi's and Buddhist Lama's and Moslem and Pagaen ad nauseum.... Honestly, where is this FORMERLY great country heading?!

perhaps MOST military personnel might favor a republican candidate..though the truth about Mccain's military pranks, having caused over 130 deaths as a result of one of them, loss of five aircraft & exaggeration about his heroism WILL turn alot of military against him. Almost NONE of the hundreds of thousands of deployed national guardsman will vote republican because of the abuses they have suffered under the Bush regime.
Also, there are less than 1 million active military personnel- there are nearly 2 million federal civilian employees, almost ALL of which will vote democrat, again after suffering through seven years of Bush regime abuse.

The point that your article is not stressing, is that troops DEPLOYED abroad, meaning folks that are up close and personally involved in the conflicts in Iraq and such, are voting with their pocket books with an overwhelming ratio of 6:1. I think that is quite significant given that our troops recieve a pitance for pay. It further suggests that from their point of view (on the ground), McCain military positions are just flat out wrong.

This is a very misleading article implying that the active military favors McCain. In order to state that the "Military favors McCain," you would have to base the poll on the current military rather than on anyone who has ever served in the military. Let's see a poll on the active military if we want to predict how the active military vote will go. Your statement that McCain would seem to have the edge because he was a POW is a McCain talking point - noun, verb, McCain was a POW. Rinse, lather, repeat. Nice try though.

Comment: I am a Vetteran (Naval Aviation officer) who did extensive volunteer work for McCain in 2000 (NH)+ VA+ MI+ NY) but will not vote for McCain this time.
he has sold his soul for politicl gain. Too bad but he is different than the man I know in 2000.

Of course they do they don't want to loose their jobs and since there jobs are fighting in wars they're going to want a war mongering person in charge like McShame! Unfortunately it isn;'t going to happen because the rest of America doesnt' like war and doesn't like our tax money being wasted on frivilous wars like the ones we are in now!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC TO STOP THE WARS!

GWB should be charged with WAR CRIMES!

Serving in the military while honoable does not automatically give you "get in to the office of the President seat".
McCain has only this as his platform to run on, except for the bashing of Senator Obama.
Instead of hearing what John McCain plans are for the future of Americans or what he stands as a person all we get are the usual stump speeches expected of republicans that have nothing to offer. Unless of course we are talking about people making over 5 million dollars then Mccain wants to give them a tax break, that is how he defines rich.
McCain continues to pick at Barack Obama which leads me to believe that he is

an empty suit as his mentor and idol President Bush who he has consistanly voted pro Bush and actally cannot even distingush in an interview the differnce between Iraq & Iran or many other important foriegn policy issues.
I am not sure if it is his lack of memory when he lied about his POW experience and the football team ? That is a detail one would certainly remember, especially since he wrote about it in his book.
I would also like to add, who is more elite ? A man with 8-9 homes and a private jet with a milionare wife or a man who is educated and may speak a bit too eliquently than we are used too afetr the past years of presidents , and he and his
wife paid off student laons, grew up in a poor neighborhoods, and have lived and worked thier way up the ladder. is this not the American dream ?

I cannot believe that anyone in the military would vote for McCain. McCain served in the military and was a pow but that does not qualify him to be president. If that qualified him, thousands of vets should be president.

However, McCain's track record:

his involvement with the Keating 5 of the savings and loans scandal
his willingness to keep the troops in Iraq for years longer (where we should have never gone in the first place)
he did NOT support the improved GI bill (which Obama supported) for the same troops he would keep in Iraq
his inability to keep Shia and Sunni straight
his lack of knowledge about geography of the Middle East -- Iraq does not border Pakistan like he said
his joking about bombing Iran
his bad temper -- notorious in Washington, DC
his inability to answer a simple question (should birth control pills be paid for by insurance when insurance covers Viagra) -- his "I don't know anything about that" answer
his own comment -- "I know nothing about economics" when our country is having an economic turndown
his support for making the Bush tax cuts for the rich and corporations permanent when our country is drowning in debt
his lack of moral judgment -- his infidelity to and dumping of his first wife when she had an accident and ended up with a limp; he dumped his first wife to marry a rodeo queen who is heiress to a beer empire, and he just glossed over that and failed to admit his infidelities when asked about his worst moral failure during the Warren interview
his lack of moral judgment -- putting out false, misleading, prejudicial ads to win at all costs
his lack of understanding of what it is to be poor -- or even middle class -- he was the son of an admiral who never had to worry about the cost of anything
his cheap campaign trick to pander to voters -- the tax holiday which wouldn't do a bit of good except hurt a government already running in the red

This man does not deserve to be president.

The troops abroad are usually younger poll better for Obama. The members of the military and veterans here are usually older and retired poll better for McCain. So what is new about this?

Then why are our service men and women in Iraq donating to Obama's campaign by a margin of 6 to 1?

This is a poorly worded write-up of the poll. The article implies that the poll was of active-duty military. However, it appears that the poll was of veterans and maybe active-duty (or maybe not). Because of age and demographic composition, let alone possible differences on war issues, there may be significant differences between active-duty and veterans. Perhaps not, but this at least needs to be clear in the article. Do a better job next time!

First, I don't believe the poll. Those in the military are not that ignorant. Astonishingly, senator McCain was against the new GI Bill, saying that it gave too many benefits, too quickly to those who risk their lives. He voted against a bill to provide outpatient care to veterans to the level of over $400 million. He voted against over $300 million for safety equipment for the troops in Iraq.

Interestingly, John McCain would have never gotten into Annapolis if it were not for his grandfather and father being Admirals in the Navy. Furthermore, John McCain was a miserable student while in Annapolis, graduating in the BOTTOM 1% of his class. What young man applied to Annapolis and was not admitted because of John McCain's affirmative action plan for himself. And he says he does not understand economics! with a graduation record that pathetic, what does John McCain understand?

Certainly he does not understand international relations. He thinks Czechoslovakia exists today and says so repeatedly, when aCzechoslovakia is non existent as a country, (it hasn't been one for nearly 2 decades). This is the man who called for war with Iraq within days of the terrible tragedy of 9-11, without knowing who did what to whom, still confuses Sunni and Shia and who Iran is helping, and in the 21st century, still can't use a computer!

It is clear that our esteemed military are actually voting the only way you can at this time..... with their paycheck ! Obama leads 6/1 in donations speaks volumes, no matter what the poll says.

Misleading headline... it makes it sound like people who are in the military today favor McCain when in fact they favor Obama 57% according to the statistics published in the Washington Post

No surprise here. The military wants to use their toys. McCain will start more wars and drag out the ones underway. The military establishment is enormous and incredibly powerful.

I quit the military because I wouldn't serve a coward like Bush. Why would a veteran vote for a Bush clone? I disbelieve this report. Most officers that I was in with got out in the last 8 years. We would never go against the CiC while in but now that I'm out I haven't met too many military that thought bush was anything but a failure and incompitant. McCain wasn't that good a pilot or an officer, (evinced by his being shot down). I don't think we can afford another republican loser.

Nobody asked my family...
We are One WWII Airforce Veteran, and two Vietnam Veterans from the Marines.... who are ALL VOTING FOR O'BAMA! Guess we should take another poll... in fact I was in line for lunch, next to a seviceman in fatigues, I thanked him for his service and said "now let's get you guys home and O'Bama elected" ... just to test the waters, and he HEARTILY agreed!....
So there you have it.... a different Poll.

Also as a non-christan person, if we are going to have pastors interviewing candidates, can we also have Jewish Rabbi's and Buddhist Lama's and Moslem and Pagaen ad nauseum.... Honestly, where is this FORMERLY great country heading?!

perhaps MOST military personnel might favor a republican candidate..though the truth about Mccain's military pranks, having caused over 130 deaths as a result of one of them, loss of five aircraft & exaggeration about his heroism WILL turn alot of military against him. Almost NONE of the hundreds of thousands of deployed national guardsman will vote republican because of the abuses they have suffered under the Bush regime.
Also, there are less than 1 million active military personnel- there are nearly 2 million federal civilian employees, almost ALL of which will vote democrat, again after suffering through seven years of Bush regime abuse.

The majority of the military are enlisted and have nothing other than a high school degree. Makes perfect sense that most of them would vote for McBush.

With the turmoil in Georgia and the Middle East we need a President with military as well as foreign policy experience.

This is a very misleading article implying that the active military favors McCain. In order to state that the "Military favors McCain," you would have to base the poll on the current military rather than on anyone who has ever served in the military. Let's see a poll on the active military if we want to predict how the active military vote will go. Your statement that McCain would seem to have the edge because he was a POW is a McCain talking point - noun, verb, McCain was a POW. Rinse, lather, repeat. Nice try though.

The point that your article is not stressing, is that troops DEPLOYED abroad, meaning folks that are up close and personally involved in the conflicts in Iraq and such, are voting with their pocket books with an overwhelming ratio of 6:1. I think that is quite significant given that our troops recieve a pitance for pay. It further suggests that from their point of view (on the ground), McCain military positions are just flat out wrong.

Comment: I am a Vetteran (Naval Aviation officer) who did extensive volunteer work for McCain in 2000 (NH)+ VA+ MI+ NY) but will not vote for McCain this time.
he has sold his soul for politicl gain. Too bad but he is different than the man I knew in 2000.

This poll is bogus!

It claims to measure support among military, defined as both active-duty military and former military (veterans).
It is actually massively tilted toward veterans and against active-duty military.

Look at the poll link. It is just asking its regular pollers if they are current or former military. To be picked, they have to answer a phone in the US. The average age is over 50!
No attempt was made to ensure active duty military is proportionately represented, and it clearly isn't.

Do a poll of active-duty military.

Serving in the military while honoable does not automatically give you "get in to the office of the President seat".
McCain has only this as his platform to run on, except for the bashing of Senator Obama.
Instead of hearing what John McCain plans are for the future of Americans or what he stands as a person all we get are the usual stump speeches expected of republicans that have nothing to offer. Unless of course we are talking about people making over 5 million dollars then Mccain wants to give them a tax break, that is how he defines rich.
McCain continues to pick at Barack Obama which leads me to believe that he is

an empty suit as his mentor and idol President Bush who he has consistanly voted pro Bush and actally cannot even distingush in an interview the differnce between Iraq & Iran or many other important foriegn policy issues.
I am not sure if it is his lack of memory when he lied about his POW experience and the football team ? That is a detail one would certainly remember, especially since he wrote about it in his book.
I would also like to add, who is more elite ? A man with 8-9 homes and a private jet with a milionare wife or a man who is educated and may speak a bit too eliquently than we are used too afetr the past years of presidents , and he and his
wife paid off student laons, grew up in a poor neighborhoods, and have lived and worked thier way up the ladder. is this not the American dream ?

... and in related news:
'Grass is Green'
... later ... more on the new theory that the sky is blue.

what does it mean if the troops support McCain more in polling yet contribute more to Obama financially? Perhaps it means that if asked publically they will support McCain and privately they contribute to Obama. Think about it.....comming out publically for Obama is a far more risky than to pusblically support McCain. Why? Because the Repubs still lay claim to the "patriotism" platform. I however remember the slogan "Put your money where your mouth is" Which means more, saying i support someone of donating money to someone else? I dont think i need to answer that.

Yeah they want more war, its their job. Funny the guys on the front lines are sending their money to Obama tho...............

Gee, what's notable is that McCain is so far ahead in military votes when the number of black soldiers is considered.

It is also

No surprise here. The military wants to use their toys. McCain will start more wars and drag out the ones underway. The military establishment is enormous and incredibly powerful.

Yikes, a lot of hate for McCain and Bush here. Maybe all you guys should just accept the fact the vast majority of veterans would rather have McCain's military background than Obama's, which is absolutely nothing. Perhaps vets actually think when they go to vote that we are in a war against terrorists that spans the globe (which they have been fighting all along), and that the president will be the commander-in-chief of the most powerful and important military in the world, and that therefore he/she should actually know something about it. Not to mention Obama's utter lack of leadership experience, in the most demanding leadership role in the world. Now, does it still really sound unreasonable that vets support McCain over Obama?

"While troops deployed abroad might be giving more money to Barack Obama"

6-1 !!!! in favo of Obama.

There should be two separate polls.

a poll released today says that John McCain will get the vast majority of votes from members of the military and veterans.

There should be two separate polls.

Veterans on average are much older than active duty troops.

Why would the military fight WWI and WWII to defeat the fascists, communists, and Marxists in Europe and elsewhere just to line up to vote one into office!

Why would military men, women, and their families make all of this sacrifice and spill their blood to protect our liberty and our freedom just to hand it over at the ballot box to a bold faced Marxist like Obama without a shot being fired.

Barack says he's for free-speech but he'll sign into law the so called "Fairness Doctrine" to silence the opposition.

Barack says he's for gun rights yet he pushed for a federal ban on gun sales within 5 miles of schools and parks. Essentially banning gun sales to the middle of North Dakota!

Barack says he'll redistribute the wealth and create "economic equality" in our country which makes chills go up my spine. This comes straight out of the communist manifesto.

Matter of fact, the Marxist messiah will promise anything and everything to everyone. All you have to do is vote for him and he'll steal from one American and give you something fro nothing right. Whether you earned it or not!

"A government powerful enough to give you everything you need is powerful enough to take away everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the second amendment is the only time you'll ever need it is when the government tries to take it away from you." -Benjamin Franklin

In other words, an non oppressive government has nothing to fear from an armed electorate. Why is it liberal fascists are always the one's trying to disarm all of us?

Yikes, a lot of hate for McCain and Bush here. Maybe all you guys should just accept the fact the vast majority of veterans would rather have McCain's military background than Obama's, which is absolutely nothing. Perhaps vets actually think when they go to vote that we are in a war against terrorists that spans the globe (which they have been fighting all along), and that the president will be the commander-in-chief of the most powerful and important military in the world, and that therefore he/she should actually know something about it. Not to mention Obama's utter lack of leadership experience, in the most demanding leadership role in the world. Now, does it still really sound unreasonable that vets support McCain over Obama?

Wow, lots of hate! Are you guys Americans? We all have different views but, come on! I really like the revisionist history and misspellings and your ignorance in some of your blogs...I am in the military and I have not met one service person (young or old) (veteran or serving overseas) who admits that they are voting for Obama. I image there are those and that is their choice.

To accuse military enlisted of having only a high school education is an insult to most of us! We either have or are working on our Masters, Bachelors or Associates. Tuition Assistance already pays for most of that expense. The new GI Bill would deplete our ranks more quickly than they can be filled - do your research before jumping on that one!

And to accuse the military of wanting wars! Oh, we make so much money! We leave family and friends for so much compensation!

Moses, Rob, great blogs!

I think it’s despicable for retied army Colonel Earl Hopper to be ratting out John McCain for helping the North Vietnamese to set up defensive positions for future air raids and escape routes of U.S. Navy bombers. There’s an unwritten, but well understood, rule amongst soldiers that “what happens in POW camps stays in POW camps,” and Hopper knows this rule very well. To bring up McCain’s collaboration with the enemy 35 years ago and reveal that the Vietnamese nickname for him was “Songbird”, now that he’s running for the Presidency, is truly playing dirty tricks Obama style. People who have never been in such a situation think that everyone can be a Jack Bauer character like on the TV show 24 and withstand all sorts of torture. John didn’t want to go through all this torture and, knowing he would eventually talk, simply avoided the torture and told them what they wanted to know before hand. He’s not the only one, I can assure you, and I don’t think that it should disqualify him from running for the Presidency.

I think that some of the people voting for Obama are the kind of people who think that we should hold hands smoke a joint and sing cumbaya and then we can all live in peace. Wake up ! There are countries out in this world like Iran who would like nothing more to see Israel and the USA wiped off the face of the map.The Iraninan president issues threatson a weekly basis, and Obama would like to sit down and reason with him? You can not reason with evil. And by the way many terrorist attacks have been stopped in the US since 9/11/01 because of some of the actions that President Bush has taken. I do not agree with all his positions but I think that some people are greatly decieved and caught up in the celebrity canidate, not to mention the bias media.John McCain served his country and know one should be questioning that sacrifice. Anyone who is or was a member of a church like Reverend Jerimiah Write who spews such hatred and racisim must somewhat subscribe to those beliefs himself. His comments can be viewed on you tube.

My husband is currently in Iraq and an overwhelming majority of the Marines he is with are against Obama, and that includes ALL races.

So, people in the military actually get to watch something other than FOX news in the war zones.... been there - the spin on US Forces TV and Radio is prowar.
It would difficult for our troops down range to get fair and balanced news.
AND The fact they are in the military probably is due to an inability to get an education (no money) or they couldn't find a job (not enough education)....
Expect most of them won't bother to vote anyway.

Quiting the military because of dislike of a president should be carefully considered before volunteering ot put your life on the line. War is war. Those who are there in Iraq fighting are there because they want to defend their country from tyranny. Stop blaming Bush's mistakes for a cop out campaign. Anyone who disagreed with Bush's foreign policy and is now serving in the military, had full chance to get out four years ago when he was re-elected for a SECOND term. If you guys didn't want him in there for a second term, you should have been the ones to stand up. If you are going to use the "no military experience" technique to talk about Bush's issues, well I guess America slash Bush's credibility, I guess the the vote for Obama proved the point. point. We now have a man in office office with no military experience,
and a platform that is loosely
based on "not being like Bush."
It's a great move for America, but
when the African American hype
is over, it will be time to deliver.