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Senator Hatch: both sides "ridiculous" in squabbles

Posted by James F. Smith, National Political Editor September 12, 2008 12:53 PM

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff

NEW YORK -- Senator Orrin Hatch, a conservative Utah Republican, today defended Barack Obama from what Hatch called ``ridiculous'' charges that Obama had insulted GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin with the use of an age-old expression, ``lipstick on a pig.''

``I think it's ridiculous, what they've said about Sarah Palin,'' Hatch said, referring to criticisms of her fitness for the White House. But to suggest that Democratic nominee Obama was calling Palin a ``pig?'' Just as silly, Hatch said.

``I think it's ridiculous to make too much of Barack Obama [and his comments about the McCain campaign message]. I'm sure he didn't mean it that way, the way it's being interpreted,'' Hatch said in a brief interview after he formally announced a sweeping national service bill he authored with his Democratic friend and colleague, Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy.

While Hatch said he is committed to electing GOP nominee John McCain, ``Barack Obama is a nice person. He's smart; he's intelligent. He writes well. He's very charismatic.'' Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, who has served with Hatch for decades in the US Senate, is ``a very fine human being,'' Hatch added.

While both nominees reverted back to their increasingly combative campaign today, Hatch urged all of his colleagues to work on a bipartisan basis, as Hatch has frequently done with Kennedy.

``Ted Kennedy is the lion of the Senate. As much as Republicans make a fuss against him, every one of us are praying for his safe return to the Senate in January,'' Hatch said earlier, addressing a summit of Servicenation, a national service group.

The Kennedy-Hatch bill, introduced today, would provide $5 billion over five years to give modest one-year stipends to people of all ages willing to do community service work in health, education, the environment and anti-poverty efforts. Hatch said the bill combined Democratic approaches of creating domestic and international service programs -- such as former Presidents Kennedy and Clinton did -- with Republican ideas to encourage volunteerism, and help nonprofits support themselves financially.

Both Obama and McCain, who appeared separately last night at the national service forum, have agreed to co-sponsor the measure, Hatch said.

Caroline Kennedy, the senator's niece, said her ``uncle Teddy'' was delighted to see the legislation moving ahead, and was looking forward to passing the bill under the next administration. ``Theirs is a strong partnership,'' Kennedy said of the two senators. After years of working on health, education and jobs legislation together, ``I'm happy to report that today, they have done it again,'' she told the summit attendees.

Hatch said he had recently spoken with Senator Kennedy, who is under treatment in Massachusetts for a malignant brain tumor.

``He told me he was dealt a rough hand,'' Hatch said, his voice softening as he talked about the friend he considers ``like a brother.''

``But he's going to fight back, and he's going to whip this thing,'' Hatch said.

25 comments so far...
  1. Senator Hatch is one of the best senator in the Senate and well respected.

    Posted by skmj September 12, 08 02:05 PM
  1. I am sorry, but I believe Obama understood very well the double meaning when he invoked the 'lipstick' comment.

    Posted by Jane September 12, 08 02:53 PM
  1. Its long past time for Hatch to be replaced with an actual conservative

    Posted by John Steele September 12, 08 02:55 PM
  1. I wonder if the liberal media would be defending McCain if he used a "age-old expression" like "Let's call a spade a spade." And the crowd roared.

    I think not.

    Racism is racism. Sexism is sexism.

    Posted by kathykristy September 12, 08 03:04 PM
  1. "Sen. Obama himself is talented, resourceful and compelling" amazing how everyone has to make sure to say that obama is "talented" capable" etc. its soooo affirmative action and everyone is scared to say what they think. This guy is an empty suit. Take away the teleprompter and he sounds like a 4th grader stumbling and bumbling with no coherent or intelligent sentences. This man has done nothing. He has never run anything. Not a city government, not a state government, not a business and not even a lemonade stand. Amazing how this country has allowed political correctness to run amok. You are all morons and you deserve what you get!
    I want to see a movement of "change" where someone will get up and say enough. How did we let this poster hanger become nominated. This emperor has no clothes!!! For crying out loud this guy has done nothing. I know 25 year olds that have 5 feet longer resumes then this guy. I know 30 year olds who run billion dollar funds or companies and make real decisions. And because of this guys color we are going to ruin a country that didn’t even make it to its 300th birthday?! Is the world going insane?! It feels like the twilight zone.
    Come on citizens drop your play station get off of Facebook and grow up and make mature decisions. This isn’t a people’s magazine contest this is about your future and your kids future. Are the same people who track Lindsay lohans every move going to decide the direction of this country?
    Stop running after empty celebrities and learn what’s at stake! Unfortunately a lot of this country has turned into a video game playing, facebook surfing, text messaging sending, celebrity chasing bunch of immature kids.

    Posted by jill September 12, 08 03:20 PM
  1. If anyone mocked "hope and change" in a speech, everyone would know that was a veiled mocking of Obama.

    The same holds true today of anyone mockingly using the words "lipstick and pig"

    Posted by AJ September 12, 08 04:11 PM
  1. Orrin Hatch is no longer a true conservative. Washington has changed him too much and hopefully my fellow Utahns will elect someone in his place that is not tainted by Washington liberalism.

    BTW Orrin, service should not require payment. It ceases to be service when you are being paid to do it. Way to increase the ammount of money the government hands out.

    Posted by Erik September 12, 08 04:51 PM
  1. jill - you are a pathetic racist - but your day is coming.

    Posted by ann September 12, 08 04:59 PM
  1. I simply can't believe how gullible some people are...to actually believe the ridiculous assertion that Obama was referring to Sarah Palin as a pig. All I can do is shake my head and feel sorry for your closed-mindedness. It's truly sad.

    Posted by Amy September 12, 08 06:04 PM
  1. Even the comments here are ridiculous. Even the title of the article is not true once you read the piece, which reflects badly on James Smith for submitting a 'story' as it stands with such a misleading title.

    Anyone who sincerely takes in what Obama is saying and where he is coming from cannot possibly agree with the mean-spirited vitriol I read in these posts. Even in the toughest moments he has been all high road. Hey, Lincoln had only a couple of years in congress before being elected - was he an empty suit?

    And I'm sorry, in case anyone is really checking into it, all of the squabbling and lowlife swipes in this campaign are coming from the McCain camp. Meanwhile anyone who really digs into the bald two-faced lies manipulation and deceit McCain has spread over his entire career cannot possibly feel he can do good for this country. Quite the opposite, if elected he will put the last nail in its coffin.

    Posted by EricR11 September 12, 08 06:31 PM
  1. And where is the 5 Billion Dollars ($5,000,000,000.) coming from Senator Hatch? Our Nation’s Saudi credit card? And what is the interest rate? And the total cost of this five year community service stipend when the last bit of its interest is paid off by my Grandchildren?
    Divide that five Billion by fifty states plus interest and look at the cost of that debt just dumped on the citizens of each state. If you’re Happy! Clap your hands!
    There should be fifty governors screaming at those Senators on our behalf asking ‘WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?”
    Burdening the people of any state with more of this type of national debt does not help when states are already having trouble meeting there financial needs. They will have to cut programs, raise taxes and fees on those of us who were just put into more debt by our State Senators.
    This bill is Pork! Just like the Pork at the grocery store that I can no longer afford because of its increased cost, along with gas and everything else.
    I’m a conservative Utah Republican who serves his community on his own dime. It’s called giving back. I make under $40,000 a year and can’t afford the debt you want to give me.
    Do you Senators get it? Or even care? Your actions say No. Do we the voters get it? If there was ever a cause and a time for voter bipartisanship to protect ourselves this is it. Senator you’ll be hearing from me. And I approve this message.

    Posted by Jim B September 12, 08 07:35 PM
  1. McCain "is an empty suit. Take away the teleprompter and he sounds like a 4th grader stumbling and bumbling with no coherent or intelligent sentences. This man has done nothing. He has never run anything. Not a city government, not a state government, not a business and not even a lemonade stand."

    He has in fact NEVER worked in the private sector in his entire life. He graduated at the very BOTTOM of his 850+ military academy class. He crashed plane after plane to the tune of 100s of millions of dollars in losses to our military. He flew his last time on a mission that was in direct defiance of his superior's orders, and crashed his plane, AGAIN, and was captured. Had he not been captured, he would have been court-martialed. He refuses to release his military records to the public in answer to these charges.

    "This emperor has no clothes!!! For crying out loud this (72 year-old) guy has done nothing. I know 25 year olds that have 5 feet longer resumes then this guy. I know 30 year olds who run billion dollar funds or companies and make real decisions."

    "I want to see a movement of "reform" where someone will get up and say enough" of this 'Country First' candidate who gives billions in tax breaks to corporations, AFTER they moved their companies to other countries and supports them in bill after bill. Riiiight-- WHOSE "Country First"?

    "This isn’t a people’s magazine contest this is about your future and your kids future. " Come on citizens dump McCan't a presidential candidate who is SOOOO lacking in judgement that he didn't vet his V.P. pick, who, as it turns out, is a hypocritical, lying, earmarking, ethically-challenged adulteress, with a crack-addicted, criminal terrorist of a son, who cut the brake lines on about 60 school buses in his town, putting the lives of thousands of children at risk (a number highly reminiscent of those who died in the twin towers) and was quietly moved out of state and then forced to either join the military or go to jail. And NO, don't EVEN try it - their policies have forced black teens with the very same rap sheets in JAIL and forced politicians with the same sordid political history, out of politics.

    Now, THAT reads correctly, Jill.

    Posted by FormerLife-longIndependent September 12, 08 09:01 PM
  1. Paying a poor person a stipend and limiting their employment isn't the answer.

    Service in the military is service too and well paid. Why shouldn't a national service program pay the same and not limit employment?

    Hatch has been in Congress for over 30 years. He's very well paid. Why wouldn't national service be the same? Maybe we should term limit Congressmen and pay them a stipend too.

    Posted by DS September 12, 08 09:03 PM
  1. Lets look at the FACTS-
    Obama was the Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review, the most prestigious legal digest in the United States. Some of the greatest legal minds throughout modern history were only good enough to be editors of this peer-reviewed, regularly-cited, monthly digest. Obama was the first black American to be its editor-in-chief and he EARNED IT-he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School (for those that don't understand-that is the highest level of achievement possible, 1st in his class- at, arguably, the most difficult and most respected law school in the country). Obama was also a professor of Constitutional law at the University of Chicago for several years. He was also a respected and well-known community organizer that helped improve the lives of hundreds of people. He also used his noted and respected legal qualifications to help those that could not help themselves and ensure that all these under-privledged citizens rights were respected and recognized and NEVER asked for a DIME in return. He was a twice-elected IL state senator and he is IL's US Senator, none of that an easy feat, ask ANYONE that has ever run for office( D or R). It is expensive, hard to manage and rough. Throughout this presidental election even his critics admit that he has run one of the most organized and well-managed national presidential campaigns ever. Obama is the first EVER to leverage the power of the Internet in such a successful and large-scale effort.

    What has Palin got? she was the mayor of a town of LESS than 6,000 in rural AK and has been Gov or AK for 18 months (NOTE-Obama has been RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT longer than she has been GOV of AK.). She LIED about the bridge to nowhere (she was for it before she was against it and she kept the didn't get the bridge but she sure took the money for it anyway), Her husband is a member of a SEPARTIST organization that wants AK to CEDE FROM THE UNION and BREAK APART OUR REPUBLIC for their own personal gain. While mayor and just months before running for Gov. she hosted and gave the opening speech to these good AK citizens in her own town. There is strong evidence that suggest she used the power of the office of the governor to harass and than attempted to get her former Brother in-law fired.
    There is now evidence surfacing that though she was at the governor's house, she still submitted for and kept a travel per-deim she had no reason to take.

    What about this makes her qualified to be in the position she is in now?

    Posted by dave September 12, 08 10:13 PM
  1. Hatch is right this campaign should be honorable and not full of lie. I aqm not an American but listening and reading all the lying especially twisting the truth to suit one's desire is unacceptable.

    Posted by Wilfredo Estraza September 13, 08 04:21 AM
  1. The vile attacks, above, on Hatch and Obama (coincidentally both from the Right) are just more evidence of what a sewer the Internet is. As if any more evidence was needed.

    Posted by Dennis September 13, 08 06:01 AM
  1. jill - pathetic review. More suited for 19th Century. I do not favor either candidate but your review is just over the top.

    Posted by masroor September 13, 08 07:00 AM
  1. My goodness Jill you must be amazingly well-connected knowing all these talented 25 and 30 year olds. I bet allllllll of them are Republicans and floss three times a day too. Yes Jill you are a pathetic racist and chances are a blatant liar to boot. BTW Jill tell me about all the cities, states and businesses that McCain has run. Apples to apples.

    Posted by jp September 13, 08 10:54 AM
  1. What other words does Sarah Palin own?

    Posted by Charles Burns September 13, 08 10:56 AM
  1. Erik - members of the military are paid. That's not service? What a moron. AJ - Palin owns the word 'pig' also? Does she also own the word 'and'? And Jill - well, your post says more about you than you probably intended. Longing for the good ole days before civil rights?

    Posted by Charles Burns September 13, 08 11:03 AM
  1. I find it amazing that so many people have such insight into what other people are thinking. How can you from home, watching a TV know what Obama or McCain is thinking? Make a blanket statement about Orrin because he appears to be balanced although he is a Republican.

    How many of you graduated from highly acclaimed university? Affermative action?
    Convenient excuse for some. Is is possible that there might just be a talented, intelligent black man? Open your eyes. Dr, King was a beacon to us all. Malcom X showed us that from hate and anger, enlightment is possible.

    FYI I grew up in a very conservative, republican, baptist home. I still carry the basic messages in my heart, but have allowed my thinking to expand beyond "what my mom and dad told me."

    How about doing your research? Rush Limbah would proud. Be good little soldiers and let me tell you what to think. And yes, sometimes, on occasions, I actually agree with Rush....

    Posted by Lori September 13, 08 11:11 AM
  1. Jill,

    Your comments show ignorance. To prefer Obama or Mccain is fine you shouldn't have to falsely denigrate the opponent to affirm your choice. When you do, it just indicates you are not too comfortable with your own choice.

    To charge that Obama has no accomplishments is to perpetrate a bold face lie and if you don’t know that you are not very well informed.

    To charge that Mccain wants a 100 year war with IRAQ is an exaggeration, as he wants a US military presence in IRAQ for perhaps the next hundred years akin to our presence in Germany or Korea. The problem is that the IRAQs’ want us gone and do not want any US bases. For Mccain to achieve his goal as stated may well mean war.

    See the difference

    Posted by Gayle September 13, 08 12:55 PM
  1. Agree with #6. Using the 'lipstick' phrase today is not the same as using it months or years ago. It's called "context." The reporters are so stupid when they searched similar references by McCain or Bush from years ago. I'm glad that voters after all are smarter than the press. Despite all the favored treatment, Obama now lags behind McCain. A few more weeks, and voters will see even more clearly that Obama has nothing to show, nothing to offer and simply as stupid as the press.

    Posted by mk September 15, 08 08:02 AM
  1. FormerLife-longIndependent:

    Way to believe everything that liberal blogs and chain emails try to throw at you as fact. You couldn't be MORE wrong about McCain's military history and for you to try and make fun of experiences in his life that have been devastating just shows your lack of respect for another human being (even if he is a politician).

    McCain was involved in four plane crashes, but not one of them have anything to do with McCain's skills as a pilot.
    The first crash occurred in late 1959 or early 1960 when his engine failed during advanced flight training in Corpus Christi. He was promoted from ensign to lieutenant (junior grade) on Dec. 4, 1959. And although it's unclear whether the crash was before or after that promotion, it did not prevent him from being promoted to full lieutenant on June 1, 1962.
    The second crash occurred in December 1965, flying back from Philadelphia with Christmas presents for his family in the baggage compartment of his plane. His jet engine quit over the Chesapeake Bay and despite THREE attempts to relight, he was forced to eject at a thousand feet, losing all his gifts with the airplane. The Navy classified it as a "routine ejection" and a little more than a year later, he was promoted to lieutenant commander on Jan. 1, 1967.
    The third crash occurred July 19, 1967 before his plane had even begun to take off from the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal. A Zuni missile accidentally fired from another aircraft on the deck and tore through McCain's A-4 Skyhawk, loaded with thousand-pound bombs. It hit his fuel tank and four hundred gallons of JP5 jet fuel was ignited. McCain crawled out onto the jet's nose and jumped ten feet into the fire. Bombs and other missiles were soon ignited and McCain was hit by shrapnel. The aircraft carrier was so badly damaged, it was put out of action for two years.
    And then there is the last crash which you so IGNORANTLY said he flew "in direct defiance of his superior's orders" before getting captured. You couldn't be more wrong. McCain was flying a Skyhawk over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967. The official documents cite 15 enemy surface-to-air missiles fired at the attacking U.S. planes and antiaircraft fire. McCain was shot down in this attack and, far from blaming him, the Navy AWARDED him, in addition to the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Silver Star for his "CONSPICUOUS GALLANTRY" while imprisoned by the North Vietnamese for the nearly five-and-a-half years that followed. Shortly after his release he was promoted AGAIN, to full commander.

    Posted by Larrie_the_Libertarian September 15, 08 05:50 PM
  1. Honorable Senator Hatch,
    I sent you a letter dated August 29th and have not had a response. I believe
    that one of the issues at hand is constitutional. That is, the St. George
    Police Department locked me up and refused to allow me to take the
    chronic asthma meds that I must take twice a day to avoid asthma
    attacks. I had two asthma attacks before I was allowed to have my
    medication returned.
    Another important issue is that they gave me a DUI and I do not drink at all.
    My driver's license is revoked for 18 months. PLEASE HELP!! THANKS!!

    Posted by Greg L. Winget October 9, 08 01:29 PM
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