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Biden bashes Palin, McCain

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor October 24, 2008 11:42 AM

Joe Biden, carrying the banner with Barack Obama off the campaign trail to be with his ailing grandmother, ventured today to challenging territory.

The Democratic vice presidential nominee was in West Virginia, which Obama lost badly in the Democratic primaries and which is dominated by the white, blue-collar voters who have been the most leery of him.

In Charleston, Biden appealed to working class voters on issues, such as the economy and clean coal. He also reached out on patriotism, referencing recent remarks made by his Republican counterpart, Sarah Palin, for which she has already apologized.

"Recently, in North Carolina, Governor Palin said she was happy to be in a 'pro-America' part of our country. I was just in North Carolina…and it is a deeply patriotic place," Biden said, according to prepared remarks. "But every state has sent its sons and daughters to serve and die for this country. West Virginia is home to over 200,000 veterans. Nearly 1,500 West Virginians are currently deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. And 33 of these fallen angels have given their lives. We all love this country. We are all patriots."

He then criticized automated phone calls attacking Obama from John McCain's campaign, introducing Chaylee Cole, a student at Fairmont State University who was fired from her job at a call center after refusing to make those calls.

Biden also ripped off a couple of new one-liners about McCain's attempts to distance himself from President Bush.

"In the last debate, John McCain felt the need to declare that he’s not President Bush. And just yesterday, John McCain actually went so far as to try to compare Barack Obama to George W. Bush. As my granddaughter says: Hello? John McCain is now attacking the Bush budget and fiscal policies. Folks, this is as crazy as the Sundance Kid attacking Butch Cassidy! They were in this together."

"Look, I know Halloween is coming," he added. "But John McCain as the candidate of change? That’s one costume the American people aren’t going to buy. So I know we’re not running against President Bush. But we are running against the very Bush economic policies John McCain is promising to continue."

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Let see here - Biden retorical flourishes or Palin Criminal Investigations - tell me what is worse. Not to mention the fact she still cannot tell you what the VP Job is.

Sarah Palin the most unqualified candidate ever chosen for VP.

Posted by hottopics October 24, 08 12:19 PM
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I am disappointed that Americans realize that we are a melting pot of ethnicities and cultures and yet won't accept that fact. Instead of emphasizing we have an opportunity to identify the best in each of those cultures and embracing them we point out what we think is the worst in others because human nature does that to elevate oneself above others. Its time we came together and halted this foolish battle or we will never move forward to develop an Amercain Culture that we can proudly call our own. It has to go beyond and above the financial world to a respect for each other.

Posted by Robert B Ironside MD October 24, 08 12:24 PM
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The use of this statement in an ad is silly. McCain's campaign is more than desperate. Having said that, Biden must LEARN how to open his mouth. If he has been in the Senate for 36, his mouth has to measure up to those years of experience. A leader whose words need to be often explained by his boss lacks some wisdom. Biden must stick to the issues at hand.

Posted by Dr. Jesse Kally-Williams October 24, 08 12:40 PM
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I think we're going to see a huge shift in the way we do things in this country and I believe it will be a shift toward the good. I believe this country is sick and tired of all the hate that has spewed from the right for so many years. The hate that spews from Christians who can't abide any other view than theirs. It's time to work together and embrace our differences. What diminishes one, diminishes us all. The right has never learned that lesson. Obama offers an opportunity for us to come together and work TOGETHER instead of being torn apart by fear. I have hope.

Posted by small town girl October 24, 08 12:41 PM
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As someone who voted for George Bush, I am totally turned off by the McCain Campaign's robot phone calls. I saw them as nothing more than fear tactics much like George Bush did during the last election.

To use George Bush's own words, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

I will be voting Democrat this year and from what I can see, the Republicans totally deserve it. Enough is enough.

Posted by Mickey H. October 24, 08 12:45 PM
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Sometimes it seems like certain white people that are getting represented recently in the McCain/Palin campaign think that we are the "Real America" and everyone else came after them. However as a 3rd generation (European-)American, even if I came over on the Mayflower, we are still not the original America, and most African Americans can trace their roots here farther than most other races here, and I wonder how Native Americans feel about all this struggle over who is the real America. The point is we are all here now and have to move forward, and Obama/Biden have more progressive policies to help us do that.

Posted by Stacy October 24, 08 12:46 PM
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What is really sad is that these white Blue collar workers are too dense to realize that John McCain and the Republican party have never and will never do anything to help them. McCains tax plan gives the highest percentage tax cuts to the top 1 percent of wage earners,the SUPER rich. How can a blue collar person support that ? Can people really be that dumb ? Does Obamas skin color scare someone enough to make them vote against their own best interests ? I thought that humans were supposed to be an intelligent animal. It makes me sad and mad to think that these backwards,ignorant people might put our country through four more years of misery because of their illogical,illiterate views.

Posted by John October 24, 08 12:57 PM
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The president doesn't need to be a perfect man but his cabinet should include the smartness. Choosing Sara Palin as a VP shows more than enough McCain has a very bad judgement. Regardless what kind of person Sara P is, she is simply NOT qualified in any way. I believe there are a lot of people who can do a better job than her. What she is doing now is just nastly attack and has no any practical ideas for what her job duty is. She has only skin-depth brain.

Posted by Susan J October 24, 08 01:05 PM
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Amazing how people draw upon the race card or sarah palin instead of Obama's utter lack of qualifications to be president. That is the primary role, and the one we need to be most leery about. McCain may not be running a great campaign, but at least he has the experience to lead. Obama is a very smooth talker when he is rehearsed, and he has improved with practice. Hillary tore him apart in their debates. He is simply not ready to be President, and the fact that he is black has nothing to do with that, so please stop trying to make it out that his skin color is the reason why people are against him. The truth is, he is probably the worst candidate the dems could have possibly put on the ballot to serve the best interests of this country.

Posted by James October 24, 08 01:08 PM
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Race is a serious issue for those whom are still in the dark ages. Because people when you cut us open where all the same.
Palin is red neck hockey mom, look at her clothes she had $150,000.00 and she looks like she shopped not at Neiman Marcus.
McCain, what can I say, he looks like the scare crow from the Wizard of oz. Voted w/ the Bush admin more than 90% and is proud of dismantling the country and quite possibly the world. Obama all the way... Will be popping the champange on 11/4.

Posted by Toots October 24, 08 01:14 PM
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Anyone paying attention with at least a double-digit IQ knows Obama would be a great president, McCain/Palin a disaster not just for our country but life as we know it and the world. And it's not just because she's a jerk and he's as unqualifed as she is. Just because he's a "war hero" doesn't mean that being president is "his field."

Posted by auramac October 24, 08 01:17 PM
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I see these remarks about Sarah not being "qualified to be VP" and I have to laugh!
Like Obama is qualified to be president? She's actually more qualified and has more experience than he has! Give me a break! She isn't trying to be president,
but she has the democrat leadership scared to death because she is honest, and it shows. Why do you suppose Dems made all those attacks on her and her family? They couldn't make anything stick...and she's still winning people over.
Well, when you know you're losing a debate/argument you resort to personal attacks. That's where the Dems are now! Same with Joe Plumber, and Joe American!!!

Posted by Eddy Allen October 24, 08 01:18 PM
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James, rather than hiding behind your Republican label, why don't you try being a little objective in your commentaries.

John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, the latter especially, did not become president with decades of experience behind them. However, they were, as is Obama, leaders in every sense of the word. Leaders like Obama come along once in a generation. Politicians like George W. Bush and Company come a dime a dozen. They milk the middle class and pander to their base; the rich and connected. Obama is going to put our country back in the standing in once proudly occupied, but has lost on so many levels.

I can hardly wait until November 5th. It's going to be a day to remember.

Posted by Luciano October 24, 08 01:19 PM
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i love mccain!

Posted by sjdfhaswfsfkjnser October 24, 08 01:20 PM
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Ask anyone in Illinois how Obama has consistantly raised ALL taxes in the state- ruining their economy. His "spead the wealth" Socialism and ideals goes way back. He was and is a radical and sought out like minds- Rev. G.D. AmeriKKKa Wright, Bill Ayres and others. He has consistantly lied when he's been asked about any of the shadowy figures in his past. He has demanded that certain "things" not be mentioned about him. The teflon candidate's background has revealed a mountain of unsavory information about him, his beliefs and goals.
And all this blather about him being "up" in the polls is just a Democrat "trick" to dishearten

Posted by Alec October 24, 08 01:20 PM
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My biggest concern looking at both candidate policies tells me that, if you take care of your domestic problems, the economy, just like taking care of your home, you are prepared to take on the world. National security, should and must come second in the order of running a country. Once your economy is sound and striving, you have enough time,clout and power to address security. By no means am I saying neglect but without a strong economy you beome vulnerable. Obama has shown with class and dignity that he is capable which McCain/"Painful to listen to" is wallowing promoting fear. America there is nothing to fear.

Posted by Len October 24, 08 01:20 PM
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Get it straight...she apologize with Katie Couric and then when campaigning again repeating the same thing...the small town she visited were more American than any other City in USA...regardless of people opinions differ...and that is the most American thing that we all can do in this country...she should never label one part of american more american because the rest do not agreed with their views. So her husband who was an independent and flip flop when she was running for Governor is less American than the Whole USA....Hypocritical

Posted by mglory October 24, 08 01:21 PM
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Let's put aside the race card, gender card, age card and instead simply look at the facts. The WORLD is in economic turmoil thanks to the failed economic policies and failed foreign policy of the Bush administration. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for McCain who himself said that he had voted with Bush 90% of the time? Unless you are part of the 2% of super rich people in this country who will benefit from his tax cuts, that is.....

Posted by marlene bustillo October 24, 08 01:23 PM
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Saah Palin might see Jhon McCain as a maverick but the backround music playing through his campaign is clearly a rendition of "Desperado".

Posted by Neal October 24, 08 01:26 PM
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I hate to say it, but Biden may be wasting his time in West Virginia. That state is one of the most backward, RACIST, xenophobic places in the country. People living there should be ashamed of themselves for being such idiots. And to all you racist West Virginians out there, don't you dare EVER set foot in MY state of Montana. We don't take kindly to yay-hoos like you. People like you are the reason the rest of the world HATES the United States right now. West Virginia isn't the REAL America, it's the GUTTER of America.

Posted by mavisdarling October 24, 08 01:28 PM
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A middle manager in Microsoft will not become its CEO when the company is in crisis. But we plan elect BHO when the country is at cross roads. That is height of stupidity. I thought only in India, politicians can say /promise anything to get elected and people will believe that. But USA is no different. Everybody falls for eloquence but not for honesty and for the 'country first' mentality.
It is very sad. Even Biden, as a chairman of foreign relations, who has same level access like Bush, warns of a crisis when Barack becomes president.
This is not the time to experiment.

Posted by Sel October 24, 08 01:30 PM
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Biden really needs someone to help him think out what he's saying, "fallen angel" refers to someone banished from heaven. In context, that's definitely not what he meant, but it's election time, nothing is taken in context.

Posted by rob October 24, 08 01:34 PM
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To #12
Do you honestly think for a second that Sarah Palin is anywhere near as capable as Barack Obama ? In any field there are experienced people who still suck at their jobs and there are brilliant young people with less experience but great potential. Sarah Palin in no measure of a person is anywhere near the equal of Barack Obama. In knowledge, intellect, temperament, and ability he stands head and shoulders above McCain and Palin both. I'll take the potential for greatness of Barack Obama over the proven mediocrity of John McCain and Sarah Palin any day. The only areas where Palin is exceptional is in her ability to lie with a straight

face

Posted by John October 24, 08 01:34 PM
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People continue to harp on Obama's lack of experience, but that's not as big a concern to me as is his focus on the issues of the United States. I think he has some good ideas for the direction of our country and I think a lot of people agree with him. That's why McCain has to resort to name calling and promoting fear. He cannot beat Obama on the issues.

Posted by be serious October 24, 08 01:35 PM
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I am so f**king sick of the negativity in this campaign that even if I *were* Republican I'd have reservations about voting for McCain.

I'm middle class and was doing almost OK until this financial mess started. Now I've got problems. Not as bad as some people, but still... I DO NOT CARE what each candidate thinks of the other. All I want to know is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME?????? Just bitching about the other guy is really telling me something about your character and I DON'T LIKE IT!

It's getting to the point where it's like the two most popular kids on the playground have been arguing with each other so much that all the other kids are getting ready to just forget it and go to another playground somewhere else so they don't have to listen to the bickering anymore.

I'm pissed. Just shut the hell up already and tell me the positive things you're going to do for the average American, cause I swear, New Zealand is starting to look like a pretty good place to move to at this point.

Posted by dedmousie October 24, 08 01:35 PM
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The only costumes being worn this Halloween are the ones where many white Americans are pretending to be Obama supporters because they don't want to be publicly ridiculed and/or intimidated by the Obama-maniacs. They are everywhere and they are very quick to label you a racist, a redneck or an uneducated person if you even hint that you like McCain or Palin. I predict there are a lot of people professing to be an Obama supporters that will cast a McCain/Palin vote while in the privacy of the voting booth.

Posted by acoryram October 24, 08 01:40 PM
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Neocons are lousy at leading the country but great at winning elections. It's always the same formula - taxes and "patriotism" and fear and diversion. How is Ayers different from Willie Horton? Ayers has recieved community awards from many Republicans. This entire subject is just another diversive tactic to avoid the fact that McCain has nothing new to offer.
Also, I agree that Palin is very experienced. She's got the republican trick nailed on how to avoid answering charges of corruption and misleading the people. She's raised taxes on those of us outside of Alaska (through higher oil taxes) and lies to legislative bodies. She'd be a very typical republican president!

Mike

Posted by Mike October 24, 08 01:47 PM
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"Look, I know Halloween is coming," he added. "But John McCain as the candidate of change? That’s one costume the American people aren’t going to buy.

I LOVE IT!

Posted by Desi October 24, 08 01:59 PM
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Most of these posters should mark their foreheads with an "L". There is nothing new here. What vitriol. Where does this stop?

Posted by SJ October 24, 08 02:13 PM
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#23 you said it all!!! Those McCain supporters are just fools that believe
the old man is what he used to be ....a so called maverick. His glory days are long gone and the only chance he has left at notarity is becoming president of the United States. Fat chance, Johnny boy!!!! As for Palin, go back to Alaska where you belong....moose hunting is your forte....stick with that honey!!!!!

Posted by Diane October 24, 08 02:15 PM
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For Eddy Allen who posted at 1:18 pm and others who keep claiming that Sarah Palin has more experience than Barack Obama (or any other similar comparison), isn't it quite clear directing a two year, underdog turned winning campaign, making hundreds of interviews on all major issues (most without teleprompters), gathering support from economic, military and diplomatic leaders from both parties, and explaining yourself to the satisfaction of the American people amounts to something of a qualification? Sooner or later, success stops being an accident or "media bias," and has to do with intelligence, good judgement, and commications abilities. Palen has only the latter.

Posted by Caldwell Young October 24, 08 02:18 PM
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Palin-McCain self-rightously complain about the redistribution of wealth. But what would they call the Bush tax cuts, wherein the top 1% of the top 1% now have more wealth than the bottom 50% have? I guess redistribution of wealth is okay if it goes up the economic ladder, but not down.

Posted by Nancy Brumback October 24, 08 02:23 PM
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"Look, I know Halloween is coming," he added. "But John McCain as the candidate of change? That’s one costume the American people aren’t going to buy.

I LOVE IT!

Of course the American people aren't going to buy that costume. It is hard for us to afford to buy much of anything right now out of concern for the near term financial future. Hopefully the impact brought on by FMFM will lessen at some point. Thanks Barney and the rest of your gang.

Posted by Clay October 24, 08 02:23 PM
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As little as some folks might like it, the only real criteria for being "qualified" to be president is the ability to win the voting contest. Obama seems to have been able to maintain a coherent strategy and respond tactically as problems have come up. And, he has been effective doing that both in the primaries and the current race. It is also true of Palin, if she can draw enough votes to make a difference - an IQ, exposure to the world stage and so forth don't amount to squat if she can convince voters to side with her. That folks is what it is all about.

The rest of the arguments are all crap - including whether people are lying, hiding things, secretly shelter their offsprings child or are a closet muslim and particularly whether the press favors one candidate or another. News sells and there are hundreds of thousands of people whose love for a buck and notoriety would overwhelm any reticence they might have in revealing something about any candidate. If they were able to support it beyond the possibility of an action for defamation - and that is tough for a public figure.

Whichever candidate wins will, by definition, be the most qualified by virtue of being able to present and defend a case for their candidacy. Politics has few rules and there's no second place.

Posted by Richard Hed October 24, 08 02:26 PM
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Why don't the people of America pay attention to the personality and moral character of the candidates. Does he/she make rational, educated decisions for the good of the people. Selfishness is the leading personality trait of Americans unfortunately. It shouldn't be about how this person will help ME, but how this person will effect the country as a whole. If the decisions are good, we will all be thankful. If we choose a privileged third generation rebel with a temper, we could all be in for the worst years in our history when/if McCain blows up at the wrong people. Read up about McCain's lifestyle and choices throughout his life. Read about what his friends and family say about him.

Posted by William October 24, 08 02:28 PM
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I can't believe that so many people consider the Obama/Biden Policies better for the United States. We need to get back to what made this country great - Personal Initiative and a pride and responsibility for ones own well being. I worked part time for the Post office several years back and I will tell you that "spreading the wealth" does absolutely nothing to improve peoples social status or pride/selfconfidence in themselves. Every house I delivered a welfare check to (and there were many houses receiving these checks) had kids of all ages on the porch screaming "check day, check day - mail man is bringing the money". This was truly heartbreaking as I know that these children our destined for failure. The only thing they know is that the mail man brings the money and they know nothing of hard work to get ahead in life. Throwing more money at this problem does NOT fix the issue. We need to teach these people how to take pride in themselves and that working for what they have in life is the best way to succeed. The spread the wealth mentality only promotes this lack of initiative generation after generation. Why do you think Katrina was such a disaster? Yes the government screwed up but generation after generation being dependent on government aid created a culture in New Orleans that could NOT and did not survive a disaster like Katrina. "Where is the government at" was the question of the week instead of the question that should have been being asked "what do I need to do to get myself and my family out of this situation". The socialist Obama/Biden policies of wealth distibution and cradle to grave government assistance does an injustice to everyone in the country. It crushes personal initiative and at the same time lowers the self image of all those living on the government. We can get into the other unsuccessful programs the government runs - VA hospitals (no thanks), public schools (lowest test scores of any civilaized nation) Social security (out of money), National budget (huge deficit) - and whether the people of the United States should really leave their futures to government assistance. If you have read this far, I applaud your openmindedness and implore you to get throught all of the eloquent speaches and vote for what is best for the LONG TERM future of America. God Bless the United States.

Posted by Mike October 24, 08 02:29 PM
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McCain keeps saying he is not Bush, yet his tax and war policies keep saying he is.

Republicans rail on Obama experience and choose Palin as VP.

Obama came from nothing has been exceptionally successful. Isn't that the Republican mantra.

Posted by matt October 24, 08 02:29 PM
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I still see McCain beating to death Obama's tax plans with outright lies. Obama confirmed in the final debate that "Joe the plumber" will not be taxed as this tax is related to income taxes on a personal level, not the business level.
It is obvious that Bush lies, McCain lies, and well at this point the GOP lies and condones the actions of Bush, McCain, and Palin. The GOP needs to be history.

Be sure if you vote a straight ticket that you please check next to each name so there is no question of your intent. Democrat straight ticket!

Posted by Tony October 24, 08 02:33 PM
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What is the measure of "ready to lead"? Does the time in Washington somehow make you more "ready"? I know 20 year olds that are more ready to lead then 50 year olds with years of experience. Organization, ability to direct, inspire, draw out the talent in others, ability to manuver and change direction when necessity requires, to admit mistakes and change, decisive action after though deliberation, ability to take council..how about running the largest and most successful campaign organization in the history of American politics. Compare these qualifications to Palins or McCains and who are you going to hire. Who is most likely to come up with novel and effective ideas and leadership? The clear answer is Obama!

Posted by Richard Foulkes October 24, 08 02:33 PM
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To #25: I couldn't agree with you more. Our politics are so backwards that we could have another 4 years of Republican reign because they can effectively run smear campaigns and avoid talking about the issues, while leaving middle class Americans left in the dust. But at the same time, as much as Americans say they want to talk about the issues, they still watch the 24 hour news channels which need the fuel of personal attacks in politics as content for their shows because they couldn't fill up all that air time with just talking about the real issues that are affecting us. So the latest attacks that politicians lost that should get no media coverage suddenly become "Breaking News" that no one should give merit to.

Posted by Jesse October 24, 08 02:37 PM
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"Race is a serious issue for those whom are still in the dark ages... Palin is red neck hockey ...McCain, what can I say, he looks like the scare crow from the Wizard of oz...."
Posted by Toots above.

Yeah toots, you talk about racism aand then judge McCain and Palin completely on their physical appearance. Talk about hypocrisy! Fortunately McCain didn't judge people based on their appearance when he adopted his beautiful daughter Bridgette from Bangladesh and Sarah Palin didn't consider race when she married her wonderful half-Eskimo husband Todd. The bigotry of you Obama liberals is sickening!

Posted by Dayana Martinez October 24, 08 02:41 PM
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In my humble opinion, Joe Biden should be frustrated: the Republican party is running a campaign based on smears, half-truths, and fear mongering. Joe is trying to stump for a candidate who has potential historical greatness. I think if I hear a reference to "Joe the plumber" one more time, I will be physically ill. Senator Obama has come seemingly from nowhere because he knows exactly what the issues are and how to address them. Obama has retained his composure and thoughful manner in spite of all the attacks by the Republican campaign and all the other "side shows". That is the mark of a truly great leader.

Posted by Todd Wunn October 24, 08 02:44 PM
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Look my friends, John McCain is so under-qualified to be President that he couldn't beat out W, 8 years ago. His actions through this election process have shown that he is only a risk taker. An irrational risk taker. He's incapable of looking a fellow American in the eye, that he disagrees with. How's he going to handle other world leaders he disagrees with? This isn't someone who should be Coaching the Girls Basketball team down at the Y, much less be the leader of this Great Nation.
"Governor Palin said she was happy to be in a 'pro-America' part of our country."
Back peddle/spin/apologize all you want, you dang well know what she meant by this. I was born and raised in small town USA. Every male member of my family has served in the Armed Forces. Including my brother, currently doing workups to go back to Iraq in December, for the 3rd time. And there is no doubt that she means me in her comment, because I don't agree with her Politics and don't want her Religion dictating the lives of this Country. Because I'm not so self-righteous as to think that this Country or myself is incapable of making a mistake.
The difference between me and McCain/ Palin. I don't see them as un-American and I truelly wish them the best in this world and the next.
You either get it or you don't.

Posted by Look my friends October 24, 08 02:45 PM
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Palin IS intelligent--she's just not the slick politician that the other 3 are and therefore puts her foot in her mouth quite often. With a little experience under her belt, she will overcome this. Everyone discounts her as "empty headed," but I think she's been underestimated. Her career will be longer and more prosperous than McCain, Biden and Obama combined, so don't be fooled. She's no dummy! And at least she's likeable--the other three are so arrogant and full of themselves.

Posted by Browneyedqtie October 24, 08 02:52 PM
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I just don't understand how Sarah Palin is getting away with not having to talk to the press. She rarely gives interviews; and when she does, it's with McCain at her side acting more like a protective father than a running mate. If she is in fact "qualified" - why won't she at least appear on programs like "Face the Nation" or "Meet the Press"? And more importantly, why is portrayed as "elitist" to ask questions in order to understand the if the person who could possibly be second-in-command is qualified?

As an independent and open-minded woman, I am utterly embarrassed that Sarah Palin is supposed represent women breaking the barrier into presidential politics. I don't doubt her determinism or confidence - but when it comes to the issues we are facing domestically and internationally, she is incredibly unqualified. Personally, I like to base my political opinions on candidates' depth of knowlegde and overall substance. In listening to Sarah Palin speak (RNC, debates, rallies) over the last few weeks, she quite frankly lacks in both. How people - especially women - think she is good representative candidate for the Vice Presidential office is beyond me.

Posted by Stephanie October 24, 08 02:59 PM
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In response to post #9. Please re-read your comment, " Not running a great campaign but is an experienced leader.' He's the leader of his campaign! Please don't vote!

Posted by Tony October 24, 08 03:09 PM
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Hey Hottopics

Don't mean do be rude or hurtful,perhaps you should research what the
V P is all about rather than just be pro Biden. He was incorrect on the article
and the job of a VP. This after being in the Senate for 35 plus years.

Posted by John Benson October 24, 08 03:16 PM
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I'm a democrat, I'm a female, and I'm jewish
I wouldn't vote for the immensely inexperienced obama if he was virtually the last human on earth. Sorry, I'm just not drinking the cool-aid on this one. McCain knows the players and the game and that's what we need as commander in chief, not some soaring orator that talks like a preacher and slithers like a snake. I judge him by all that there is to judge him by; His associates and his agenda, as there is no actual resume by which we can hire him for the job. Oh...ya want to hear something funny? Since I live in south florida, I have been incessantly polled. I tell them each and every time that I am voting for obama...ha ha the joke's on you pollsters.

Posted by bugoff October 24, 08 03:29 PM
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Being Republican. Not liberal, not for "big government", not for taxes, especially on business or capitol gains, not lazy, not intellectual, not from the big city, not weak, not Muslim, not atheist, not gay, probably male. You are of course christian, hopefully born again, the defining issue being Roe v Wade. White, hard working, a listener each day to a hate jock like Rush. You believe in the death penalty and have a handgun or wished you did. Foreigners are suspect as they are lazy, taking us for fools and too liberal. Your suspect the liberal media is brainwashing us all and try to listen to Fox and applaud when they call Obama Hussein as you know deep down he is a Muslim terrorist. You have absorbed the Reagan idea of the silent majority, trickle down free market, letting the might of the military do the talking with anyone that we perceive as a threat and believe that the end justifies the means when your leaders mislead or use attack adds that are not factual to protect us all from "liberal" weakness and stupidity. The constitution can be bent when it prevents the president from doing what is necessary to protect our country or the office from threat even if it is only political.
Republicans are the true Americans and they will fight dirty if needed to protect the America they believe in even if it means taking it away from you.

Posted by Richard Foulkes October 24, 08 03:34 PM
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Palin's welcomed wholesomeness under control of McCain, soon morphed into a tirade of cynical, mocking, contemptuous, sarcasm about triviality....demonstrating a freakish, behavioral pattern of supercilious falsity that turned off most of America

Posted by Afford October 24, 08 03:37 PM
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Reality check-----There are some really bad people out there intent on doing harm to the United States. Of course, none of these bad people would be in the estimated 12-14 million undocumented aliens. John McCain should not think for a minute that he has any magical solution to prevent being tested. A confident Joe Biden, merely had a premonition that his running mate would be the best presidential choice-and he seems to have a lot of company.

Tested? John McCain claims he has already been tested. He was on an aircraft carrier awaiting flying orders to attack Cuba. Give me some help here. I don't recall seeing any historical notes indicating that President Kennedy had conferred with John McCain over the Cuban crisis. I was also called up for duty in this event.
No conferring, just orders to report and do as ordered. Yes, Sir. So, I guess that makes be qualified to be his running mate. Shucks, I'd have been honored!
But, I guess that untested President Kennedy guy handled it before we got shot at.

Four major Republican voting factions: The fat cats that have not wanted to pay their fare share; the "middle class" that makes $200,000/yr according to McCain; those naive enough to believe the, at best, partial truths (OK, some downright lies); and those smart enough to reach across party line before the election.

And no, this does not make me a Democrat. Always been an Independent. Kind of like the Maverick guy who never vetted me. Maybe he noticed a Goodwill tag on my t-shirt. Oh well, maybe next election

Posted by pepineagles October 24, 08 04:22 PM
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Thanks Mike, #36. I am openminded & you're right, I'm in favor of the candidate who is best for the long term future of America - Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Alexandra October 24, 08 04:26 PM
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I was going to vote for McCain, but not after this spending spree. and he has the nerve to defend it!

Go get a real job, Johnnie.

Posted by basementfrog October 24, 08 04:28 PM
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Yeah, what he said!!!

Posted by Ed October 24, 08 04:55 PM
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I don't know whether Biden is working to elect Obama in '08 or Hillary in '12.
Sterling Greenwood/Aspen

Posted by AspenFreePress October 24, 08 05:06 PM
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So much talk about patriotism and "real Americans", when will the self-proclaimed "real Americans" and "patriots" realize that America must come together and hold fast to one another in order to continue as a leader in this evolving world. These United States must be truly united people, if we are to remain great. We can not afford to continue our historical and traditional inter-group fighting, nor can the more fortunate afford to watch as large numbers of Americans underachieve and suffer. The world's challenges to/for America are growing to new levels and if we are truly patriotic, we must rise up together and be united in more than name. Fortunately, the choice is still ours - for now.

Posted by Ernest October 24, 08 05:08 PM
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To Mike from post #36:

First, I want to thank you for some thoughtful meaningful comments about the things that fiscal conservatives really stand for as opposed to the meaningless drivel that I have become so accustomed to reading from both sides.

I agree that personal responsibility is a very important thing and that we need to stand together and be proud of our country. I consider myself socially very liberal and fiscally moderate. I have read Obama's tax plans and social programs and I don't agree 100% with everything he has proposed but I feel it is more in line with my own views than McCain's is. I have not read anything in Obama's plan which calls for an increase in welfare or anything even remotely similar.

If you go to his website and read about his programs the only "handouts" he mentions are increasing eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit. This system only benefits those who do work but are at or close to the poverty line and the benefits are a percentage of the money they earned, so those who earn more are eligible for more benefits.

I have respected McCain, although I am a bit disgusted with the level the campaign has sunk to, but I still think out of all of the Republican offerings in the primaries he was the only one I would have even considered voting for.

I have a decent job that I am admittedly less worried about losing than the typical person right now. If both men are honest about their proposed plan I would make out pretty much the same financially from everything I can tell. Additionally in all frankness these men are not as far apart on economic policies as everyone seems to think, Obama wants to return to the pre-Bush tax cut system and McCain wants to renew those cuts, that is the biggest difference in these 2 men's plans.

Personally, my biggest concern in this election is foreign policy. I am worried not only about keeping America safe but also keeping it relevant and helping to improve the image that America has always had in the world but that I fear has been tremendously damaged in the last 8 years.

While I personally don't think John McCain is the same as George W. Bush, I fear that the world does. Also, I fear that any aggression coming from him would be viewed as that of an irrational hot-headed leader, not as someone who has the interests of the world in mind, regardless of what his true intentions are. I think electing Obama as our next President would send a message to the rest of the world that America is not represented only by the self-interested, America is all that matters, ride 'em cowboy type leadership we have endured for the last 8 years.

It would send a message to the rest of the world that America realizes we are not alone on this planet, and that there are other people, from other countries, with different religious, social and political views, that we may or may not agree with, and that we are okay with that. That we do not need to force every country to follow suit with all of our policies.

Yes we still need to act to prevent genocide, to stop horrible injustices all over the world, but that we can do so with the entire world community by our side and not try to force every country to follow our lead all of the time.

This is why I am going to vote for Obama/Biden in 2008, because not only do I think it is best for America, but I think it is what the world needs as well.

Posted by I Like Mike October 24, 08 05:12 PM
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Read: "Communist Goals For American Takeover"

www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Posted by brinnn October 24, 08 05:15 PM
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To number 48 - too embarrassed to tell the truth - like Palin in Troopergate?
If you are lying here, why should we believe anything you say anyway.

No wonder the States are in a mess - you are actually going to vote for the party that is bankrupting your country and has said that there should be more war
(see YouTube McCain says more war) More body bags for the US. I sure hope you don't have any relatives of army age - it won't belong before the return of the dratf if McCain gets his way as they will be needing more soldiers for all those wars, (btw, you do know that some Republicans have said that the US should invade Russia, right?)

I am so glad I live in Europe and that my money is NOT in an American bank!

I think a viewing of Dr. Strangelove is now in order!


Posted by hoping4better October 24, 08 05:21 PM
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OBAMA FOR THE WIN!

Posted by IndependentsforObama08 October 24, 08 05:23 PM
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The Republicans have opposed every social program since the 1930''s. They are still trying to get rid of Social Security(Grover Norquist). They have always opposed rights of unions to organize, any increase in the minimum wage, corporate pensions, any hint of universal health care -even simple preventitive measures-
welfare rights, food stamps; you name a social program and the Republicans will oppose it. so-
don't vote rich and them live poor like so many have done over the years.
It's time for another new deal---vote OBAMA. --bless your hearts

Posted by the iconoclast October 24, 08 05:55 PM
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Sarah Palin is attractive, charming, and charismatic.... however, it is becoming more apparent with the campaign about to end, that she is placing herself in a great position for a career in televison! Having said that, no one, not even the core of her supporters, can honestly say that she possesses the intellect of either Barack Obama or Joe Biden. Sure you can give her material to read on the teleprompter, but when cornered and asked to give a spontaneous analysis of a situation, especially when she's not in the position to regurgitate a "talking point", she's at a total loss. Palin will be around for a long time (you betcha!)...but I'll bet her future lies in hosting a program on TV.

Posted by John in FL October 24, 08 06:03 PM
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Interesting that anything McCain says about Obama is "below the belt" "Mudslinging" "mean spirited" or "Hateful", while Obama and Bidden can say anything they want with complete approval. The media endorses anything and everything they say and do, and their worshiping followers consume it all with blind abandon. Soon after The One wins or steals the election, look for any "negative" comment made by anyone to become a criminal act. That is the "Change" you can absolutley count on.

Posted by Ray October 24, 08 06:21 PM
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Interesting that anything McCain/Palin say about Obama is considered negative and hateful, while Obama and Bidden can say anything at all they want with complete approval. The media endorses anything and everything they say and do, and their worshiping followers consume it all with blind adulation. Soon after The One either wins or steals the election, look for any "negative" comment made by anyone to become a criminal act. "Freedom" of speech will be redefined to mean freedom to say only good things about the Obamanation. Anything else will be silenced through criminalization. That is the only "Change" you can absolutley count on.

Posted by Ray October 24, 08 06:32 PM
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Re: Post # 20 from Mavis Darling, who wrote (among other choice things), "West Virginia isn't the real America, it's the gutter of America."

Ouch. It would seem we have a copy-cat crime here in declaring just who is an American and who isn't. The only difference is that this time it comes from a Democrat.

Listen up. I'm a classical pianist from West Virginia. My West Virginia family have been there since it was Virginia. My great-grandfather worked with Mother Jones (hardly a conservative figure in American history) in the coal fields to try to unionize the mines because he saw men digging coal in waist-deep water. Because of his activities, he and his family constantly lived in danger. Many times they were run out of town by coal mining company men with shotguns. My grandfather was a carpenter in the coal mines who died of black-lung disease because the coal companies (backed by the federal government) never saw fit to enforce mine safety laws. To this day, they still don't. My grandmother lived on a miner's disability pension of less than $3000 per year (in the 1960s). My maternal grandfather taught grades 1-12 in a one-room school house in rural Mason County, West Virginia, and for the rest of his life, former students thanked him for changing their lives. My West Virginia family are firemen, teachers, miners, psychologists, nurses, homemakers, postal workers, farmers, professors, university students, horse trainers, writers, insurance executives, musicians and a university president. They fought in World War I, World War II and Vietnam (find Mark Whitt's name on the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC). Before that they fought in the American Revolution. To the last one, they are decent, honorable Americans. I have never known of a single person in my family to cast a vote for a Republican, and I think they'd take justifiable offense at being called xenophobic gutter snipes, as do I.

Yes, West Virginia is a poor rural state and it has its pockets of conservatism. But did you know that, until recent elections, it was one of the most reliably Democratic states in the U.S.? It has a much longer history of voting Democratic than Montana. But like the rest of the U.S., it has shifted to the right. However, it isn't nearly as far right as Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Utah, Arizona, South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho and Alaska. I find it odd that you single out this state when so many others are far more to the right.

I and many other West Virginians would have been justifiably and deeply offended if Obama or Biden had not visited the state. Why aren't the good people of this state worth as much as other Americans?

West Virginia was built on coal and courage, her people having paid dearly for their freedoms, from the beginning of the mining wars in Mingo County, where miners were shot for trying to form unions, to the many men and women who lost their lives fighting wars so that you could make the cruel and thoughtless statement you made tonight.

Shame on you. Every state is worth a visit from presidential and vice presidential candidates, especially those who, like West Virginians, have borne the greatest brunt of Bush's policies the past 8 years.

I was outraged that Sarah Palin anointed herself God in declaring who is and who isn't American. Now you've done the same. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with West Virginia history to see just how consistently "blue" this state has been in the not-too-distant past, and perhaps you'll understand how important it is to put it back into that column now. And one helps to do this by visiting the state. What a slap in the face it would have been for the Democratic candidates to ignore West Virginia. Today Joe Biden stood tall in visiting those who needed to hear him the most.

Sign me, Ashamed of a Democrat who believes in Slander and Stereotypes

Posted by Jody October 24, 08 11:13 PM
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Why hasn't anybody pointed out that Sarah Palin has been "palling around" with somebody who hates the US so much that he wants Alaska to secede from this country?

In fact she's been sleeping with him so perhaps it more that she's been "Palin around" with him...

Posted by RW October 25, 08 12:32 AM
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I love Sarah Palin and welcome her back to NC anytime, campaigning or not. We love small towns, small town values and small town girls. McCain/Palin '08

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