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In debate, a general mistake?

Posted by Jason Tuohey October 3, 2008 11:01 AM

If you tuned in to the vice presidential debate last night expecting a gaffe-fest, you probably came away disappointed.

But some liberal bloggers today are drawing attention to an apparent Sarah Palin flub, where she referred to General David McKiernan, Commander for NATO International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, as "General McClellan."

"Well, first, McClellan did not say definitively the surge principles would not work in Afghanistan. Certainly, accounting for different conditions in that different country and conditions are certainly different. We have NATO allies helping us for one and even the geographic differences are huge but the counterinsurgency principles could work in Afghanistan. McClellan didn't say anything opposite of that. The counterinsurgency strategy going into Afghanistan, clearing, holding, rebuilding, the civil society and the infrastructure can work in Afghanistan. And those leaders who are over there, who have also been advising George Bush on this have not said anything different but that."

General George B. McClellan served as commander of the Union army during the Civil War, from Nov. 1861 - March 1862.

For the debate transcript, click here.

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What a petty fact you liberal bloggers will use to make the repulican candidate look bad. At least she knows that TV's were not used by a president that was not in office yet in 1929. I don't think that she ever said anything about being shot at in Alaska, like Biden mentioned the other day about being shot at in Bagdad that was a complete fabrication. Remember Hilary got chastised for the assertion of being shot at.

Posted by Ron October 3, 08 11:27 AM
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what do you expect from a liberal democrat he does not care about Obama or this country , months ago he said he would like to run with john McCain, then he said he would not be interested in the VP job and that Obama was not experienced to lead like Hillary, he is all about furthering his political career he probably figures he can get more bribes and backhanders as VP now, this guy is a Clown, who was it who said the longer they stay in the more they steal, this scumbag is a poster child for term limits on him and all the other thieves in congress, about time for a revolution i think.

Posted by Michael Tildesley October 3, 08 12:25 PM
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Joe Biden (JD from Syracuse Univ, adjunct professor at Widener University where he teaches a seminar on constitional law) has mangled the Constitution of the United States. He needs to take one of those educational tours given by a congressional volunteer staffer.


“BIDEN: Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that. And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit. The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.”

First of all, Biden gets wrong one of the most basic facts about the Constitution: Article 1 establishes the legislative branch, not, as Biden said, the executive branch. The Vice President is mentioned in Article II as part of the executive branch, but he is also given legislative powers by Section 3 of Article 1, which establishes the Senate: The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided. Vice President Cheney's "bizarre notion" is in keeping with the plain text of the Constitution.

A rather odd statement coming from someone who has served in Congress for three decades and since 1991 has taught a seminar on constitutional law at Widener University Law School in Wilmington. For his students’ sake, I hope that question isn’t on their law boards.

Come to think of it, Aaron Burr not Dick Cheney was “the most dangerous Vice President in history” – Burr actually killed the person he shot at.

Posted by PA Voter October 3, 08 12:58 PM
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PA voter, is that all ya got? ya betcha!

At least Biden answered the questions.

Posted by Sam October 3, 08 01:17 PM
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Sam - And yes, Biden answered them INCORRECTLY:

Biden incorrectly said “John McCain voted the exact same way” as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.

Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it.

Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.

Biden's now an Obama drone. Biden has lost all credibility. He himself said that Obama was "unfit to be Commander in Chief".

Posted by PA Voter October 3, 08 02:59 PM
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Right, the problem is the media's pettiness, not a candidate's complete lack of bona fides. Maybe there's a good reason they've been teaching her Civil War history.

Posted by Tom October 3, 08 03:20 PM
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Biden had no idea what the General's name is - he just referred to the "Commanding General".

Posted by KHS October 3, 08 03:43 PM
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Yes no president has ever mistaken a name or word before.
Oh wait wasnt it JFK who in his famous berlin speech said" Ich Bein Eine Berliner" WHich he meant as I am a Berliner ( a citizen of berlin)
However it actually translated as" I am a Jelly filled pastry"
So somehow mispronouncing a generals name is no big deal.

Posted by steveh October 3, 08 04:07 PM
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I think PA voter is really McCain himself. Sam, you don't understand, Sam, you don't understand, Sam, you don't understand..........Sam, you're wrong, Sam, you're wrong. Republican talking points?

Posted by Sam October 3, 08 04:47 PM
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If General McKiernan REALLY thinks that we cannot win with, as Biden implied (and considering Biden is the source, that's a big IF), then perhaps she was right to call him General McClellan.

Posted by Ruy Diaz October 3, 08 05:28 PM
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I am happy that some of you.... in some obscure region of the country..... are safe with the notion that Palin is clearly (....just like McCain) ready to lead the country. She showed last night that she is incapable of formulating her own views. To think that people think she did a good job last night is revolting and an insult to the intelligence of the average American. We all have different opinions about what makes for appropriate policy, but one thing we should be able to agree on is that there was a debate last night and one of the participants chose not to... er.. participate. Furthermore, if you claim to seek truth, you must head to government or third party websites, not that of the politician seeking office. Common sense.

Posted by michael k October 3, 08 07:10 PM
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All these Republicans. Whine, whine, whine. I've got two words for you: President Obama. Get used to hearing those words, folks.

Posted by M Maguire October 3, 08 07:29 PM
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With all due respect, she probably said McClellan because she got Gen. McKiernan's confused with the former White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, not Civil War general George McClellan. I\

Posted by Paul October 3, 08 08:32 PM
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I just got used to 'President Gore' and 'President Kerry', and now 'President Obama'? Democrats should get used to the idea that the only poll that matters is the one on the first Tuesday in November.

Posted by Mike October 3, 08 09:30 PM
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Another possibility is that she confused it with a General who is an advisor to George Bush whose last name is similar. As a proud Southerner, I can't believe she would know such an arcane civil war fact. This General McLelland (spelling?)
is in Washington in the White House advising Bush. He went to a great southern institution Furman University, so he may be related to the one from the civil war, who knows? But, I'm sure she had heard his name in her prep work, or maybe even was prepped by him.

Posted by Paladawg October 4, 08 08:45 PM
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My previous post erroneously said that there is an advisor to Bush whose name is McClellan. His name is McConnell and he is Director of National Intelligence. I am sure that she has met and/or was prepped by him. Perhaps also remembers the name Scott McClellan, and got the names confused. I am sure that she knows nothing about the civil war.

Posted by Paladawg October 4, 08 09:33 PM
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I bet Barack Hussein Obama is regretting the day he disenfranchised over 18 million voters and picked the blow hard, plagiarizing, gaff machine that is Joe Biden.
Moreover, he is likely trying to figure out how to come up with a plausible reason for Joe Biden suddenly having to withdraw as V.P., possibly some strange, obscure, health problem, so BHO can get Hillary back on the ticket.

Posted by Bohemian October 5, 08 11:35 AM
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Regardless of what the voters think; you all need to think about one thing when it comes to this election. That one thing is if you really want SOCIALISM as the foundation of this country??? A vote for Obama is a vote for SOCIALISM!!!! Stop and look at his background / associations and put your children's future 1st!!! I for one do not want to even risk our country and my children's future of living in a socialist state!! STOP AND THINK PEOPLE!!!!

Posted by C. Rogers October 6, 08 12:12 PM
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She got McClellan wrong (twice) because she doesnt know. She been cramming to get the basic facts into her head, just remembering the places and names has been quite a challenge, which is why she retreats, so quickly, to her bumper sticker talking points. If being the VP ( and quite possibly the President) was a multiple choice test she would still fail (even with her index cards). When I see her trying to improvise its like I'm having the "naked at work" dream. I feel terribly embarrassed for her and find myself squirming in my seat.

Posted by Max H October 6, 08 12:16 PM
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