McCain: Joe the plumber right about Obama's socialist tax plan

Hey, nice job. Really balanced reporting. You might point out that McCain, who wants to cut taxes for everyone, will also have to figure out a way to pay for his plan, which in the end will do really great things for the mounting national debt. You can't propose all of the give-aways McCain is proposing (buying up bad mortgages, ha, there's welfare for you) and prosecuting useless wars while all the while cutting taxes. Somebody is going to have to pay for all of his bad plans.

Hey, nice job. Really balanced reporting. You might point out that McCain, who wants to cut taxes for everyone, will also have to figure out a way to pay for his plan, which in the end will do really great things for the mounting national debt. You can't propose all of the give-aways McCain is proposing (buying up bad mortgages, ha, there's welfare for you) and prosecuting useless wars while all the while cutting taxes. Somebody is going to have to pay for all of his bad plans.

Instead of spreading misinformation about Obama's economic plan, McCain should start thinking about ending this race with dignity. He demonstrated lack of judgment by selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate; he is confused, erratic and out of touch with the facts. If he and his team believe that they are convincing the Independents by their current rhetoric, then they are also delusional.

The most frightening thing about Obama is his utopian view of America.
His Marxist Socialist tendencies should send a chill to anyone and everyone of all races in America who would want to see erosion of personal freedoms, including the freedom to seek and make his/her fortune. As for McCain representing "business as usual " policies, if by that he means the preservationof American Capitalism (warts and all) over social and economic engineering, then my vote is for status quo. Let's face it, when any candidate talks about creating jobs , he is talking about creating life time sinecure for his family and freinds

The problem is that BOTH candidates are only adopting economic policies that they hope will be popular enough to get them elected - not that they necessarily think they are "good" policies. Sadly, that is the cyclical dynamic we are stuck with. The policies we NEED, that would actually work, are not popular - just like taking bad-tasting medicine may be necessary but undesirable. You can't get elected unless you have a popular policy. Have the RIGHT policy is academic because you can never get elected by espousing it.

Their has been a progressive tax code since income tax began. It has always seemed fair to Americans that people be taxed with their ability to pay taken into account. This is not a change to "socialism" or a change in the tax code, it is a change of tax rate on the middle class. The income of the middle class has been rapidly shrinking. An economically healthy middle class is important to this country and yes to those of wealth, because a squeezed dry middle class cannot support the consumerism upon which this economy depends.

The Stupid burns me. While 40% of the population does not pay income taxes because they do not make enough money, they payroll taxes on the first dollar they make, so the suggestion that Obama would be "reducing taxes on people who pay zero" just shows how out of touch John McCain is. Every time the guy opens his mouth he demonstrates how little he knows.

Mccain, the imaginary friend of plumbers whispering in the ears of the American poor or middle class like the Lucifer coiled on the Tree of Knowledge. But this time he will fail and Messiah will send him to his deep.

The majority of the put downs on Joe the plumber by the media have been nothing more than a redirection tactic. Joe does not make 250k or has a plumbing license because he doesn't have to have one if he works contract for a licensed company. Joe said that if he owned a company, Obama's, "spread the wealth" tax plan would have a negative impact on his business to promote growth and hire new employees. Your taking away from those who work their butts off and giving it to those who don't. Why does Obama want to hurt the middle class, for that is exactly what he would be doing.

John MCCain is exactly right. Under Obama the socialist agenda would take over the Country. Socialism has already disproved itself whether in its most virulent form of Communism or in its euphemism of "socialism". It doesn't work! Welfare becomes prevalent and motivation and personal dignity go down the tube. Freedom is the victim - not only in taking away the freedom of free enterprise but also the freedom of initiate for those on the lower rungs of the earning ladder.. America was always made of sterner stuff. I have seen too many people degraded by the welfare system. This is change? It's been done and it's failed. Wake up. America

Change......that is all you will have left in your pockets if Obama gets into office.

You think the economy is bad now, just wait until we put an even higher burden on small businesses. I built, and have been running small businesses for over twenty years, and I can tell you first hand that these lies about Obama's tax plan not hurting most small businesses are ridiculous

Obama’s plan will raise the tax for small business to 55%, in other words: you take a huge risk and start a small business and “Uncle (Sam) Obama” takes 55% of every dollar.

This, by the way, is not the profits that you put in your pocket; it is the profit you planned on investing to grow your business….but it is gone before you can use it. You can’t hire new people or buy new equipment because you have to pay your tax bill, and if you don’t pay it immediately you will be fined heavily.

This is the real reason why jobs are being shipped overseas. The government is killing American business, they might as well be sitting in your office because you take all the risk, and they take more than half before you make investments to grow your business.

McCain is scrapping the floor to smear and slander Senator Obama's plan.

Joe Wurzelbacher would be under this Tax break. Obama's plan is designed to help Joe and his new small business grow land expanded to support other generations.

How is McCain going to help the Lower Middle Class Factory man. The ones that are losing their Jobs currently because an economic down fall created from the theory that he up holds. Being some altered version of the trickle down effect. The only thing that can pull us out of this crissis is to spread the wealth around.

isn't it interesting that mccain claims to be out there to help the average american citizen, but refuses to actually help those in need. poor, poor, rich people. =.( you might suffer a tiny little pinch to help out those who are truly in need. tsk, tsk. woe is you.

where are your real concerns mccain? you are a liar, a fraud, and you - like your party - only care for yourself and your copycat cronies. must be nice to know that you and your friends will always be well taken care of by standing on the backs of those who are suffering. so could you move a little to the left? my ribs are starting to bruise.

So a graduated income tax is socialism? You mean like we've had since 1913, and before that during the Civil War? Payouts to the poor are socialism? You mean like the Earned Income Credit that we've had since 1975?

All Obama is doing is moving back to something like the tax schedule we had before the Bush tax cuts. The top rate will still be much lower than it was before 1986 (that is, lower than it was during Reagan's first five years in office).

The "socialist" accusation is another example of the provocative behavior of the McCain camp, stoking the anger, class resentments and political fantasies of red state "plainfolk" who have conjured up an imaginary threat to their liberties.

If Obama wins, as it appears he will, McCain's gift to the country he claims to put first will be a hardened core of alienated citizens who will regard the next administration with the same kind of irrational smoldering hatred once aimed at the Clintons.

Great way to show your love of country, John.

The GOP talks about socialism as though we are about to nationalize the entire economy. I wish the Globe would bring in one of the brilliant economists who write for the newspaper to explain the difference between capitalism and socialism. It's time for the politics of fear again.

Why didn't McCain say these things in the debate?! McCain should have exposed Obama as the big government socialist candidate that he is. At least he's doing it now!

McCain is doing a lot of name calling. The fact is that for nearly 100 years our democratic society has taxed people who with higher earnings at a higher rate. We have NEVER had a flat tax. McCain is NOT suggesting the flat tax either. So, why all this scare-tactic name calling?

Obama is very clear about his policies. They are clearly written on his web site. He even has a calculator to show how much of a tax break you will get.

McCain wants to tax health care - isn't that RAISING OUR TAXES??
McCain has nothing left to offer except name calling in hopes of scaring people into voting for him : Terrorist, Socialist... it's a shame what has happened to the republican party.

I don't have wealth Mr. McCain. I only have a debt to share with Joe the plumber.
Mr. McCain will continue the the same eight years policy of Mr. Bush.

Why is the media pounding on this Joe guy ? All he did was ask Obama a simple question. Now do you see why we don't know much about Mr. Silver Tongue's past ? It is forbidden to ask questions. Questions are "off the table". Only the biased and properly vetted media are allowed to ask pre-qualified questions. To all the Joe's and Jane's with American dreams of success out there go screw your selves the government owns you, you no longer own it.

Cindy McCain Had 4.5 mil or so of income for 2007. And yet her effective tax rate was 27%. I wish I could own things and pay less taxes than I do on my actual WORK and SWEAT.

I guess extending the child tax deduction wouldn't be better for rich people. I mean it's not like rich people have more kids... hmmm. rich people probably itemize any way. always spending money on something that has a tax benefit... those crafty people. Class Warfare is just terrible for those who have seen their income rise while the middle class has been squeezed and stretched thin.

The thing is that McCain has got this class warfare thing all wrong. The last eight years have been marked by greater gains by the super rich than almost any other point in our history, and on top of that: the mounting national debt is a burden that falls on all of our children, but who benefits the most from it? The corporate taxcuts that McCain proposes is nothing more than class warfare. Does anyone think that lower taxes will compel corporations to give their employees a raise? Will they decide to pass these savings on to consumers? highly doubtful. The rich will pocket the money like they always do, and continue to tax us lowly working-class folk with their fees and high prices.

And this surprises you how? I have been waiting for this message about the leftist Democrats for a while now and now its out in the open. Helping people get on their feet is one thing, but after generations of welfare perpetuation (a lot to the same 'families'), this is no longer a helping hand to get people back to being able to support themselves, it is just a socialism program to continue hand outs even further. Having been a Navy recruiter, I saw with my own eyes how some people had no incentive to work on a future if the government was always there to provide for all their needs (forever), while the rest of us (the upper 20%) had to carry the load for the bottom 40%. Put them to work, not into better welfare cages!

If McCain gets elected, maybe he can appoint Joe the Plumber as a Cabinet Member - perhaps the Department of Labor. Let's see ...we'll have Sarah
the Soccer Mom as Vice President, Kathy the Hockey Mom for the Department of State and maybe Beer Can Joe in the Department of Treasury. We can have a lottery to fill the rest of the positions. That's a winning team !!

Joe-the-Plumber was a McCain-Palin campaign "plant" to begin with - put up to it by the Republican candidate's campaign so that McCain could not exploit the whole thing the way he is now doing.

Big problem though, yesterday's NY Times ran the numbers - if Joe -the-Unlicensed-Plumber, unknown to any Plumbers' Unions in his area, bought the $280,000 plumbing company he wants to (but is not licensed to run!!!), he would pay exactly $600 more than under John McCain.

Big difference, huh? And another BIG sham-scam from John-the-fibber-Republican candidate!

Amazing
John McCain and Barack Obama
are BOTH hard core socialists
They both obey the Federal Reserve Bank
They both agreed to the Bailout of The Banks
How much?
$850,000,000,000 Thats BILLION!!
Who will supposedly pay for that?
The middle class in America that has no say in anything anymore

FINALLY! Someone has dared to expose the great secret of the 2008 campaign and use "Obama" and "socialist" in the same sentence!

Make no mistake, Obama is a closet socialist, and every now and then the truth slips out. But those caught up in the emotionalism of his campaign won't hear it. His ultimate goal is to 'level the playing field' so that those who won't work can live off those who do. And those who think that 'work' is living on welfare and popping out children to be raised by the state can continue to do so with impunity.

Wake up and preserve the rugged individualism on which this country was founded.

If Joe is earning a quarter million a year by himself, why would he want to buy a business? I'd tell him to buy when his salary reaches $249,999.

I hardly think socialism is the word but it is time have some control over corporate greed and how about taxing imports for a change like other countries.

Why is it that we reward companies like Dell and others for building products and exporting jobs to China. Lets keep letting EMC corp close up shop here and open in Brazil and the Chez republic and not tax the billions they make because heaven forbid they might move out.

If paying taxes is socialist ... then all nations are socialist. Taxes are here to stay. Its just a matter of how much and from whom. Obama has the much better plan considering both of the above.

McCain would fail miserably at any Logic test he took. What he is saying in his increasingly pathetic attempts to smear Obama is something akin to A=B thus C=D. McCain is the one that blew up Joe the Plumbers life (with help from Joe) and all Obama ever did was simply answer a question put to him by Joe.

first of all Obama is stating that the 95 percent of Americans, in the middle class, known to be working citizens; tax payers. No where does he reference the 40 percent of those who don't, while the two candidates are addressing the same issue of the working classes in general; as in those who are citizens and paying taxes, you weasel in a random statement of a factor on the sidelines which wasn't even discussed? just to add a low blow to Obama. And socialism? as stated by Karl Marx Socialism is inevitable to evolve from capitalism, due to situations of imbalance such as America is in today, But what Obama is proposing does not restrict anyone from pursuing a capitalistic
way of business, *The government should've left it like Adam Smith intended.

President Truth is who we need for President.This is the bottom line,Obama wants to add tax only to the higher income bracket. The plumer after he worked in two hurricains is making a fortune ,and dose not want to pay it. Even Warren Buffet said he knew he was not paying as much taxes as the middle class.You can be prosecuted for false advertizing, and needless to say they are not explaining it right.We can say thanks to a waitress with a tip, but we can,t pay an inheritance tax when we die to say thank you for a country that let us have the chance to become rich, and give some of it back so that others might have the same chance. All the ones who criticize Obama's tax::>>check to see what their income is. is.

for immagration immigration should pay
s tax, check to see how much money they have!!

GO OBAMA!!!!!

MCCAIN IS JUST A MAD FRUSTRATED OLD MAN WHO IS UPSET HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE SAME TACTICS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S TIME FOR A NEW FACE AND NEW IDEAS -- THE OLD WAYS ARE NOT PROVING SUCCESSFULL. WE NEED TO TRY TO GET ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BULLY EVERYONE.

GO OBAMA!!!!!

Go John-
Let's "Call a socialist a socialist!"

McCain-Palin 2008!

"Spreading" sounds a lot more efficient for the economy than "trickling."

Unless you sell yachts or Rolls Royces, as a small business owner, you want to see your neighbors and customers with a bit more ready cash. Fine with me if income over 250K gets a 3% tax rate hike to make that happen.

Mc Cain wants to continue socializing the cost and privatizing the profit.

Secretary of Treasury Larry Summers has compiled numbers that confirm a tax system that has shifted $600 billion to the top 1% of the U.S. population FROM everyone else since 1979. This does NOT include the current bailouts for the insurance and banking industries, sweetheart deals to private corporations under government contract or tax breaks for companies who pay outrageous CEO salaries, bonuses and golden parachutes. It also does NOT include every family's share of the national debt which has more than doubled to $11 trillion under the Bush administration, saddling every American family with another $80,000+ worth of debt. Apart from, and in addition to, these transfers of wealth, the top 1% have increased their earnings by $500,000 for every man, woman and child, and everyone else has suffered a loss of $8,000 since 1979. Mc Cain wants to continue the trend.

In my opinion, this is a self-destructive path of greed that will end in the implosion of our economic and political system--which has already begun--and is moving toward an Aristocratic two-class society. U.S. economic policy is causing us to collapse from the inside and none of the proponents of the 'trickle down' theory and practice are taking responsibility.

The short-sighted GOP rhetoric continues, using character assassination and smear campaigns to sustain THEIR American dream at the expense of the intelligence, blood and sweat of the workers and consumers who sustain everything.

If this story continues under the radar of the press and the American people, this great nation will be another to dissolve into the history books of corruption and greed. Intelligent conversation WILL remedy this life-threatening national illness, but is being confused and silenced by Senator Mc Cain. Rather than finding a solution, he proceeds with a campaign of hate and division.

In terms of demonstrating presidential qualities, Mc Cain models domination while Obama models partnership. I've always considered Democracy to be about partnership.

Great! A tax cut for big corporations. Is that like the banks and AIG?? Where do I sign up for that!! and a cut in capital gains tax- woowhee!! That sounds grand. Let's see, do I need capital first? And then does the capital actually have to be making gains? Hmmmm............

How to Fix the ACORN problem

Simple as this :

A vote against ACORN is a vote for Mc Cain....whether you like him or not....especially if you are independent and deciding.

Obama is knee deep in this massive illegal gathering of registration,etc. So the Ohio governement officials and the Supreme Court can't fix this problem....but we can. We are mad now....

Voters can fix this problem at the voting booth. Doctors fix patients one by one, vets, fix pets one by one....plumbers fix pipes one by one......voters fix politicians one by one. So vote carefully......a Vote against Obama is a vote supporting the illegal activities of ACorn.....a vote for Mc Cain sends the message to Obama and his multi million dollar scheme to win votes.

Vote out all incumbants that are political bandits......out......get new blood in Dc

Remember, if you are not sure yet, one good reason for Mc Cain...like him or not ... is to avoid giving total control of the government to the democrats....we can't have all three branches controled by one party...either party.

Democrats control both the Senate and the House of Reps.....don't let them get into the Presidents office too....or we will have big problems ahead.....even if you hate the republicans.

ACORN. A vote for Mc Cain is a vote

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Hmmm. How much does a citizen pay to check a book out of the library? None. How much does a person pay to send their kid to public school? None. How much does a person pay to receive food stamps and social security benefits upon retirement or at the onset of disability? If you've worked and contributed to the SS fund and are vested, the answer is: none. These are "socialist" systems. The masses support them through contribution into a common fund. If the educational system was ran by educators instead of politicians, it would work. If Public Libraries received more funds, we wouldn't have to pay to check out DVDs from Blockbuster, we could just go to the Library for the current releases. If we contributed an adequate amount to Social Security, it wouldn't be bankrupt. The reason that these things have bugs is because people are basically controlling and selfish. The only question that I have is: how much *more* does a person who makes 250,000 a year need?

Just call me Joe the American disabled veteran with a few tough question I have a right to ask Senator McCain. Senator McCain please answer these questions the American people have a right to know the truth before the election!
Now finally the claim that has been made forever that McCain is this Great American Hero is being questioned.

I served in Vietnam and I was warned upon my arrival that if I was ever captured that I was to only give my name, rank, and serial number. I served in a unit that was made up of 90 % black men, and I was one of only two white Sergeants in this unit. I clearly had my life saved by my fellow black soldiers at great risk to their own personal safety. This was during a time when there were parts of America, that they were still being told they could not enter because it was for whites only.

I was wounded along with a number of my brother soldiers in an attack. While waiting for the helicopter to arrive to take us to the rear area hospital, I noticed that I was bleeding along side of a fellow black soldier.
As strange as this might sound to Gov. Palin I could not distinguish my blood from the other soldiers as they ran together onto the ground in Vietnam. They were exactly the same shade of red blood. Just two American soldiers bleeding together, one black one white imagine that.

Now McCain was shot down and captured. If you have not heard him tell the story several thousand times I'll refresh it for you. He talks about how he was tortured and he almost silently says "they broke me." He goes on to explain that he was singled out for treatment because his father was an American Admiral.

I wondered about this so I did some investigating of the facts. I don't dispute that McCain was likely tortured. Every American soldier in North Vietnam was tortured. He broke and gave them much more than his name rank and serial number. Hundreds of other prisoners were tortured but did not break.

I looked at photographs and the video of the prisoners when they were released. McCain appears to be much healthier in terms of his having been fed much better than the other POW's that appeared near starvation, some weighing less than 100 pounds.

Then I look at the fact there were a large number of POW's that had been seen and interviewed by the Red Cross but when the POW's were released they never came home. So they went from being alive at one point in captivity to never being seen again. We are forced to believe that they died or were beaten to death and the government of Vietnam is never going to release their bodies.

I also saw an interview with a real POW from Vietnam, who had some very unfavorable things to say about McCain. Saying that he being McCain always had a big mouth and was saying far more than he should have been saying. This was from the time he got on the ship and thought he was a big deal because his father was Admiral, up to and including their time as POW's. It has been stated in the past by former POW's that the reason the North Vietnamese learned that McCain was the son of an American Admiral was that he had threatened the North Vietnamese that if he was not treated better his father the Admiral would rain bombs down on Hanoi!

Now in light of the very ugly racist campaign McCain has run and his demand for Senator Obama to answer and answer over and over his having worked on a school board committee with an old radical from the 1960 when Obama was eight years old. I want to ask a few questions of my own.

What information exactly did you give the enemy when you were broke as you put it? Sir the American people have the right to know! Did you in fact push for normalizing relations with Vietnam as a means of keeping them from telling the American people what you had actually said? I think the American people have the right too know sir!

Is it true that you gave into blackmail and fought for the establishment of normal relations with the country of Vietnam as a means of keeping them from playing their tape recordings of you spilling your guts? I want you to answer this question sir the American people have the right to know!

Sir what exactly is the long term relationship you have carried on with the convicted burglar and one time suspected terrorist G. Gordon Liddy? Please answer me sir the American people have the right to know!

Sir when you were attempting to interfere with regulators so your good buddy Keating could fleece the American people out of over $250,000,000.00 how much did he bribe you with sir? We know about the $112,000.00 but how much did he give you under the table? Sir the American people have the right to know!

Senator McCain do you believe you can trash one the brightest men to run for President in the last fifty years or more, and not get asked some tough but fair questions yourself?
I expect an immediate response as you owe the American people an accounting of your actions on these very serious matters sir!
Your party talks about family values, how many times did you commit adultery with your current wife, while married to your previous wife sir! The American people have the right to know?

Sir you can call me "Joe the American disabled veteran". Lastly sir why have you been AWOL when it comes to votes on "Veterans Benefits"leaving you sir with one of the worst records in the Senate? Sir the American veterans and the men and women fighting for this country have a right to know why you have consistently been missing in action when it comes to supporting veterans!
Anticipating your immediate reply
Sincerely,
Joe the American disabled veteran!
Doyle Wheeler

Before you call Obama's plan "socialist", be sure you understand what Socialism really is. And remember that the proliferation of McCain's campaign messages depend on our people's ignorance. The gullibility of McCain supporters are more of a testament to our nation's failing schools than our standardized test scores!

I am surprised to see that the actual subject matter of the "Plumber Joe" story is mentioned. Bravo! many people still think it's about the voter who dared to ask a question. It really is about Obama's answer.

The treatment of Joe W. has been shocking! He brought up a good point, ie whether Obama referred to a business's gross or its net, or on the 'taxable income' the owner received from it. Obama's answer was a gaffe ("spread the wealth") -- so everyone has attacked J.W. as a distraction!

Joe was in his own front yard and Obama walked in and started questionig him. Now people are trying to destroy him and his employer!

Obama's tactics are disgusting! I hope all the plumbers in the US vote against Obama and when his piles clog up, they tell him to call Acorn!

Btw, in reply to some comments above, if a person doesn't like either Obama or McCain ... that's what third parties are for. Cynthia McKinney would be a good message: a Black anti-war woman.

Reversing Bush's ongoing handout to the already-rich is hardly socialism. Don't let the rich fool you into thinking that increasing their wealth is in your best interests.
If you are Christian:
1 John 3:17

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

The fact is, millions will not be hit by a tax hike. An estimated 335,000 small business owners - just 2 percent of the total - would be impacted by Obama's tax increases. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Obama's tax hikes apply only when personal income, not the value of the business, rises above $250,000. "What goes on your income tax form is your profit, not your gross receipts," according to Eric Toder of the Tax Policy Center. and that under Obama joe would rebate at $1042 if he was earning $65,000.,under mccain ,joe would rebate at $300.00

Joe Wurzelbacher is counterfeit, having no plumber's license and not paying his taxes. So you're worried about socialism? Are you ready to stop paying social security to the millions of elderly retired people. That's a form of socialism isn't it?
McCain, with his millionaire wife, is not worried about the middle class; he's part of the wealthy Republican scam team.

For personal income, 250k seems a reasonable place to draw a line about taxation. However Joe was asking about a business that GROSSES 250k before expenses. After paying for rent, salaries, etc etc, there may be very little NET profit left for the owner.

Just for ASKING whether Obama's 250k applies to gross or to net, Joe has been personally attacked -- people trying to get him fired and his employer closed down. And Obama's response has been to ridicule Joe, rather than to defend him.

I hope this shows what the rest of the blue collar middle class would be getting if they elected Obama!

A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for the rampant increase of executive power until the president might as well be king.
Vote for Obama and preserve the checks and balances in power created by the founders of this nation.
The only time Cheney ever looked at the Constitution was when he visited to shipyard in Boston.

For personal income, 250k seems a reasonable place to draw a line about taxation. However Joe was asking about a business that GROSSES 250k before expenses. After paying for rent, salaries, etc etc, there may be very little NET profit left for the owner.

Just for ASKING whether Obama's 250k applies to gross or to net, Joe has been personally attacked -- people trying to get him fired and his employer closed down. And Obama's response has been to ridicule Joe, rather than to defend him.

I hope this shows what the rest of the blue collar middle class would be getting if they elected Obama!

Joe represents real America - Barack Hussein obama DOES NOT.
Obama wants to punish those who try and be successful.
Obama = socialism

Suzie-Get a clue. The richest banks in america have already been soclialized, thanks to the republican party. Every time government gives a break to the wealthiest few it's considered patriotic, good for business, job creation. Whenever government wants to give a break to working class people it's considered socialism. In the past eight years, has giving a break to wealth corporations stopped them from shipping jobs elsewhere? They can send jobs elsewhere, and still get a large tax break for having an "american company" label attached. Does that make sense to you. It makes better sense to give them a tax break for every job they keep here in america - so americans can better be able to afford the products.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

OK. Trickle Down economics does not work. The poor and middle class do not benefit dynamically from tax cuts/breaks for the richest. Giving more money to the rich by lowering their tax rates, as Bush, Republicans since Reagan and McCain wants to continue to do, has not created more wealth for the rest of the country. The top earner tax break receipts have been leveraged, squandered and spent by many of the recipients not for job and small business creation but on various military/industrial globalized self centered, self directional greed, adventurism and opportunism.

Taxes are based on government tax policy, which needs to be geared to “We the People”. Any time you alter the tax policies (this is happening constantly through the tax codes which are now ten thousand pages), you alter who pays how much tax on their earnings or profits for the year. If you earn nothing you pay nothing. We need to get more people earning more so we can increase total tax receipts in order to reduce deficits and to receive required services. We need to reverse Trickle Down and expose it for what it was…a give away to tax lobbying cronyism.

The “privileged class” is not really representative of the hard working Americans who represent the historic backbone of our great country. The overwhelming majority of the people are losing from failed trickle down sham economics. Trickle Down has created negative economic momentum. The top one percent of the people pays 40 percent of the taxes. The top 5 percent of the people make 60 percent of the earnings. 40 percent of the lowest earners people pay no income taxes (we’re only talking income tax, not pay roll or sales taxes. Tax (and spending) policy needs to shift to create greater benefit to more people. This would represent a reality-based repudiation of failed Trickle Down.

Any business owner profiting (that’s profit, not gross business), in a five million dollar per year business with an average profit of 5 percent would earn a $250,000 profit per year. This would allow $4,750,000 for that business to grow the economy with more jobs and increased productivity and no increase in tax rate of the owner. “Joe/Jane the American entrepreneur” or business person is free to move up to and beyond the top 5 percent of the earning/profiting Americans with their first $250,000 per year earning/profiting being taxed at the present rate. Any more profit would realize the higher rate of a graduated income tax that has been US tax policy since the early 20th century.

So the debate is about changing government tax emphasis policy. The top five percent will pay at a greater or equal rate until the economy in “the middle” improves enough for middle and lesser earners to earn pay more. Waiting for someone else’s Trickle Down has created a dependant not an independent, entrepreneurial working dynamic. This has hurt the fabric and core values of pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps. Trickle Down has essentially created a kind of capitalism credit welfare being on “the wait” mindset that has injured our economy and country, not only at home, but also around the world.

Our government has been heading toward Socialism for quite some time. With the liberals controlling Congress, if we elect Sen. Obama, it will be the final step needed to become a socialist nation. Just think of it, free health care for all! Free homes, free cars, free food, free everything. And you won't have to work anymore. If you want something for nothing - vote for Barack.

Oh c'mon - Joe the Plumber, who makes 40K per year, claims he's going to buy a plumbing company that will make $280,000 per year... but now he can't afford it because of 1800.00 more in taxes?

Thats is frankly, stupid.

Obama wants to give tax credits to those paying NO income tax. His plan gives credit for PAYROLL tax. This way, he can say it is for working Americans! This plan is a disaster for Social Security. As a retiree, I don't need any plans that are going to worsen the Social Security situation. Say no to Obama's wealth 'redistribution' plan.

Obama wants to give a tax rebate to people that don't pay any taxes ? Is that a rebate or welfare ? I make 250K a yr and employ several ppl. Last yr when you consider fed inc tax, state inc tax, property tax, capital gains tax, sales tax, county and city taxes, tax on my investments, etc, and on top of that I paid FEES which are also tax for state fed county and city licenses...all in all I pay enough tax . Almost 100k on 250K income... I work for my family I work harder then most so my family will be rewarded .. UNder Obama and socialism I have no incentive to ever exceed 250K and I won't... the American dream is gone...

I think we need to take 50% of all the money ppl earn & give the 50% to Obama so he can give the money to those who do not have the desire education or skills to earn money. Because a person decided to drop out of school , make bad pers. decisions in his life or just be lazy I think we need to pay him. Let's reward those who are unproductive in society and punish those that work or have earned income in their lives. Lets decrease social security so we can make sure the Congressmen and Senators can live a good life. Maybe its time we replace all the people in Washington and start over Govt is too big Reduce Govt by 50%.

So some of you rail on McCain for not paying proper attention to a growing national debt, yes REFUSE to address the fact that Obama's policies will result in a shortfall of hundreds of billions per year...that is if we ended the Iraq war today, and poured that money into his spending initiatives. Friends, that is what we refer to as EXPANDING the national debt....

Either and Or. America's obsession and Senator McCain's mantra. Economies do not come in just three sizes; free market, socialism, and communism. McCain knows this and so does a lot of the world. But here we are in a frenzy digging up any fear we can to stir up those without the means to discriminate between the mantra and reality. Working class America needs to get out and travel the world more. Maybe instead of a mandatory draft we could institute a plan where every eighteen year old gets a free trip around the world in sixty days. $700 billion might cover it. What do you think? www.janepoordoe.blogspot.com