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McCain presses case on ACORN

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor October 16, 2008 05:12 PM

John McCain's campaign is continuing to press Barack Obama on ACORN, the liberal activist group accused of voter registration fraud, capitalizing on news today that the FBI has opened an investigation.

The Associated Press is reporting that the FBI was looking at results of recent raids on ACORN offices in several states for any evidence of a coordinated national scam. But a spokesman for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, told the AP that "ACORN has not been notified that we are the target of an investigation by any authorities -- nor should we be. ACORN members have done a good and patriotic thing by helping bring more than a million of their fellow citizens into our democratic process."

While ACORN says it has registered 1.3 million young people, minorities, and poor and working-class voters, who tend to be Democrats, some employees have been accused of submitting false voter registration forms with names of dead people or fictitious characters.

During Wednesday night's debate, McCain accused ACORN of "maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.”

McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis issued a statement this afternoon: "Given the fact the FBI has launched a nationwide investigation into the questionable voter registration practices of ACORN, it is imperative that Barack Obama's campaign cooperate fully with this important investigation. To date, in public announcements including last night's debate, Barack Obama has attempted to conceal and distort his and his campaign's relationship with a group that is currently engaging in systematic voter fraud. Barack Obama's campaign must fully disclose the true nature of his association with ACORN. In the spirit of a fair election Barack Obama should assist in this process prior to Election Day."

ACORN has responded to McCain's attacks in part by noting that he attended a 2006 immigration rally it sponsored.

"We appreciate that Senator McCain's effort to stir up the Republican base by attacking a community organization working to increase public participation in our democratic process. However, these attacks reflect an increasingly panicked candidate," Maude Hurd, ACORN’s national president, said in a statement.

"It is clear for us to see that John McCain was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for reform before he was against reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. What is really going here is that Senator McCain and his allies are part of a coordinated effort to engage in what appears to be an unprecedented effort to suppress voter turnout. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, and the McCain campaign has resorted to the worst type of deceptions in regards to ACORN."

Liberal groups are also coming to ACORN's side.

People for the American Way said this afternoon it will buy a full-page ad in The New York Times "charging the right wing with misleading the public in the ACORN voter registration controversy" and criticizing a media frenzy that has reached a "fever pitch."

“What’s really threatening to destroy the fabric of our democracy are right-wing efforts to suppress millions of newly registered voters, both Democrats and Republicans around the country,” Kathryn Kolbert, the group's president, said in a statement. “ACORN should be commended for registering 1.3 million Democrats and Republicans to vote in this historic upcoming presidential election."

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......ACORN should be commended for registering 1.3 million Democrats and Republicans .......

Ya Right!! 1,299,999 demoncraps and 1 republican! Heads should roll and people should be JAILED for this disgusting behavior! Not just the little guys in it either. They'll never get me to believe this wasn't orchastrated from above!

Posted by Average American October 16, 08 05:41 PM
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Let's see, on the other hand the NeoCon's are purging voter roles, telling college students that they have to vote in their home precincts, etc...

I've voted for a candidate not on the ballot more than once, but not until I moved to Texas a few months ago was a voter registration returned telling me that because I didn't have a Texas ID that I would not be allowed to vote (appealed and is pending, I'm not a permanent resident here but working on a PHD project). At the tender age of 47, this is the first time I've not been able to register with an out of state ID (I've even voted from over seas).

Posted by Dr. John October 16, 08 05:44 PM
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Yes McCain keep pressing on ACORN and AYERS......

Heaven forbid you talk about the issues that voters want to hear about

Posted by Oregon4Obama October 16, 08 05:49 PM
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This sort of false innuendo slinging smacks of McCarthyism... shame on the right for trying to undermine the democratic process!

Posted by Mike in Vermont October 16, 08 05:56 PM
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Integrity of the vote. Where were these protectors of democracy in 2000
when Katherine Harris Secretary of the state of Florida with thousands of votes to be counted ordered a halt to the count. Foreclosure lists are now trying to be used to stop voters. The world will not accept our version of democracy.

Posted by kb October 16, 08 05:57 PM
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ACORN is guilty of being liberal and supporting democracy. No more, no less.

Nothing they have done has led to voter fraud. Some of their workers have turned in fraudulent registrations, belonging to NOBODY, to pad their pay. That's it. The organization must turn those in by law in some states, so they do. And they flag them as problematic, as they should. They are doing good work. This is completly bogus and should embarass McCain supporters.

I do wonder if these same people screaming about ACORN have ever said a word about electronic voting, which is a serious threat to our democracy. Now that their passon for fair elections is aroused, I challenge them to research this issue.

Posted by Jack October 16, 08 05:58 PM
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It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wrights sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.. through ACORN

Posted by acorn fraud October 16, 08 06:01 PM
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I think Senator McCain should really stop and ponder how does he really want to be remembered. If the polls are right, with the margin of errors, Senator Obama will probably be our next President. Senator McCain has served many years and this is probably his last ditch effort for the presidency. Does he really want to be remembered as the angry man who compromised integrity and moral value system in an effort to discredit another colleague for a position that no one should want after the past eight years of deceit, wrongdoing, greed, financial ruin etc.I pray God's strength and wisdom for Senator Obama and a peace of mind for Senator McCain.

Posted by MIz Hess October 16, 08 06:02 PM
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This from a man with strong ties to Karl Rove on his staff. Talk about the all time theft and destruction of democracy, how can he forget 2000? You can try to distance yourself from Bush, Cheney, Rove all you want. But if you run the same campaign, it gets really hard to see you as a different person.

Posted by Kyle October 16, 08 06:02 PM
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I am a Registered Democrat and find the Actions of ACORN appalling. In my book, it is more than coincidence that the ACORN Fraudulent Registration Scandal involved virtually every State where they are Active. This is obviously policy and not an Accident.. The Managers of this group should be held accountable for Voter Fraud for conspiracy. Now, everyone should show I.D. to guarantee a free and credible election.
Eric

Posted by Eric Johnson October 16, 08 06:03 PM
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Oregon4Obama,

You don't think that the possible involvement of one of the candidates in election fraud is an issue that voters should hear about? Frankly, if this Republic is to function the process must be held sacrosanct above who the candidates are or what they believe. There is no space in a stable government for suspension of the rules, even if you do believe it's for the "greater good."

Posted by computeraddict October 16, 08 06:05 PM
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Damn hes really desperate! Try to lose with some dignity McCain. If you want to see dirty tricks in voting try your own party first, they wrote the book.

Posted by Michael October 16, 08 06:05 PM
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College student should register in their precinct and then vote absentee- unless they WANT to change their permanent address to their college precinct.

Overloading a college town with "non permanent residents" in the college town's local elections can be a problem. It has to ONE or the OTHER- if you want to vote in your "temporary residence" then CHANGE your permanent address to that precinct.

Doesn't this also cause a problem for the electoral college process. If "out of state" students register in the temporary state, the electoral is putting their votes in the wrong state (and this could change the vote of the state in the electoral college). There is also the issue of benefits that might be reduced because their permanent address is not the same as the parent "claiming" them as depedents.

Isn't the absentee ballot the solution to the problem you mention?

Posted by Diane October 16, 08 06:08 PM
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Average American wants heads to roll because ACORN has engaged in the "disgusting behavior" of registering 1.3 million voters? Only in wrong-wing world where up is down, black is what and right is wrong, is registering citizens to vote considered "disgusting behavior." No wonder the Republican Party is disintegrating.

Posted by Quippy October 16, 08 06:09 PM
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What drug was John McCain on last night at the debate. His pupils were dilated. He was blinking like a fool.
He was more awake then usual. What drug do you think he was on?

Posted by Harold HIngle October 16, 08 06:10 PM
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and i guess everyone forgot about diebold and electronic voter fraud in Ohio...

Posted by angryamerican October 16, 08 06:11 PM
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Anyone else notice McCain did not have a flag pin on at the FINAL debate? Some patriot he is.

Posted by Larry Oregon October 16, 08 06:12 PM
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The financial meltdown started with so-called affordable housing pushing sub-prime and alternate a mortgages through the use of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac upon people whom could not afford these mortgages. Republicans including McCain as well as Greenspan and Bush attempted to reregulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in a manner which would have prevented the implosion but were thwarted by the Democrats including Obama. ACORN was a huge promoter not only of voters but also intimidating banks into providing these loans. They are guilty.

Posted by Hal October 16, 08 06:13 PM
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AYERS might be a thing of a past but ACORN is here and now.
We might never know the full extent of this demoscam.

Posted by M.J. October 16, 08 06:14 PM
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McCain still doesn't get it. He needs to stick to the real issues that the American people care most about. ACORN is not Obama's fault. Republicans have supported ACORN as well. Move on Johnny !! You've pretty much lost this election anyway.

Posted by John October 16, 08 06:16 PM
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Average American, I hope you are truly not an average american. I have more faith in the average american than to believe that they feel the need to resort to childish name calling to make a point. This election seems to be bringing out the worst in everyone. We all seem to be taking every minute detail and blowing it out of proportion. I hope once this election is over we can all return to the intelligent adults we hopefully were prior to this madness.

Posted by blundergirl565 October 16, 08 06:17 PM
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How much does obama have to do that is illegal and immoral before you idiots stop treating him like he is a god and treat him like the anti-christ he is.

Posted by Bobby October 16, 08 06:17 PM
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This whole argument is stupid. The % of false registered voters is not only extremely small, but the fake names will never vote anyway.

Do you republicans think someone is going to show up at the polls and claim he is Mickey Mouse? Its not really a fraud unless someone attempted to vote on a fake name. That's identity theft. That's a whole different ballgame.

So there are a few wrong names submitted by lazy workers. No harm, no foul. I have to admit, I am thoroughly enjoying watching these angry, ignorant Republican supporters get all riled up about issues that don't matter because they are so easily manipulated by Republican politics of fear. If they only had a clue how badly they are being exploited by a party that cares not for them.

Posted by James C October 16, 08 06:18 PM
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So what's new? In 2000 the Karl Rove apparatus intimidated tens of thousands of African-American voters in florida purged from voter rolls tens of thousands more whose names vaguely resembled those of convicted felons. In 2004 the president of Diebold, maker of Ohio's voting machines, guaranteed he'd deliver Ohio to Bush--an outright admission of guilt. In New Mexico in 2004 voters would press the box next to "Kerry" and "Bush" would light up. I was helping in a Congressional campaign in New Mexico and the Republican incumbent was videotaped electioneering inside a polling place. Now we know what Repubs mean when they talk about a permanent Republican majority.

Posted by Lionel Gambill October 16, 08 06:18 PM
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If CNN or MSNBC would talk about ACORN Fraud maybe McCain would not have to. They are cheating, pure and simple.

Posted by Walt Festoon October 16, 08 06:18 PM
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hey Oregon, what other issues has McCain not already talked about that is worth talking about before this election? Immigration maybe? Looks like Barack Hussein Obama is tip-toeing around that one also. Way to go "hope n' change" guy. I guess he continues to hope that this issue stays in the closet.

Posted by Americano805 October 16, 08 06:20 PM
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I only wish this could last. I have been waiting 8 years for this. Watching the republicans get all angry and trying to poke holes in a hornets nest, except the bee's are long gone! Oh, its like good sex listening to drug addict Rush Limbaugh whine and cry everyday on his bogus radio program. BOO Hoo hoo...

Lovin every friggin minute of it :>

Posted by Brian October 16, 08 06:22 PM
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All Sen. McCain can do now is continue his sound bites, smear Sen. Obama, rev up his base with Savage Sarah, and keep from talking about relevant issues and he might, like W steal the election. By encouraging the notion that populism means governent by people who are Joe six packs then he does stand a chance. Please America wake up.

Posted by Marty October 16, 08 06:23 PM
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"Yes McCain keep pressing on ACORN and AYERS......
Heaven forbid you talk about the issues that voters want to hear about"

Lol, no shit. Its old news. Hillary tried this strategy, and she failed because of it. It will be John McCain"s foil as well. Nobody likes the game, but we have been witnessing the best two players from both sides duke it out, and regardless of party platforms, Obama is clearly the stronger player. He has has already transcended the game as we know it, and everyone else is still playing by the old rules. Imagine what can be acomplished once he's in the white house. This is why he will win and albeit desperate times the outlook is still good.

Posted by joeThePlumber October 16, 08 06:23 PM
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Acorn and Ayers are diversionary tactics to scare people into voting for McCain.
If Acorn registered 1.3 million voters and potentially 1000 names are in contention, what happens to the overwhelming number of legitimate voters they have registered? Looks like another effort to steal an election and keep people from focusing on the real problems with America - which McCain can't solve using George Bush's people and policies!
As far as Ayers is concerned, isn't playing the guilt by association card a loser's tactic? Especially when it's been dismissed each and everytime it is brought up.
Wake up people and smell the shell game that's being played on you.

Posted by Cheryl October 16, 08 06:24 PM
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To dismiss voter registration fraud is to dismiss the entire justice system from governing the affairs of all free men (including national elections) who live in this blessed land. I agree with John McCain and with our founding fathers on this issue. Consider this quote: "I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition." - Thomas Jefferson

Posted by texan for mccain October 16, 08 06:25 PM
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Red Herrings one and all.

McCain can't compete on issues so his partisan cronies in the FBI and the Justice Department will be trying to rig the elections by throwing out 100's of thousands of voter registrations.

I can't believe this BS story is getting traction. I'm leaving the country. Ignorant low income republicans who don't know how to vote the freakin' interests can have it.

If this doesn't work they will be forced to burn the Reichstag again.

Posted by Joseph October 16, 08 06:25 PM
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It's truly amazing how many people haven't looked into the facts of what has happened with ACORN, or what ACORN is.

If you did, you wouldn't want John McCain to bring it up.

Posted by Ned Obnod October 16, 08 06:25 PM
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All this Republican talk about ACORN is vastly exaggerating things to detract from actual voting fraud by Republicans.

From Wikipedia: “During investigations, ACORN has publicly supported the investigations of employees submitting fraudulent voter registration information, has fired them if evidence supports the charges, and has stated its concern with false information on registration forms.[47][48] Officials have stated that ACORN has been cooperative in these investigations”

ACORN, instead of committing fraud, has instead been helping authorities to ELIMINATE registration fraud. Cries by Republicans that ACORN is perpetrating VOTING fraud are not just FALSE but are also DETRACTING from the PROVEN, ACTUAL VOTER FRAUD PERPETRATED BY REPUBLICANS.

Witness againwhat happened in 2000 and 2004:

1. Voter purges. Florida illegally purged thousands of voters based on very "loose" criteria for ID matches with felons. The criteria for "matches" disregarded dates of birth, genders, middle initials, Jr./Sr., and race, and counted only the first 4 letters in the first name. Illegal purging of voters must never again be tolerated.

2. Conflicts of interest of Elections Officials: Katherine Harris, the chief elections officer for Florida, was also the co-chair of the Bush campaign. Jeb Bush was overseeing Florida's elections even though he was the brother of one of the candidates. Antonin Scalia did not recuse himself in Gore vs. Bush despite that two of his sons were lawyers working for the Bush campaign. Clarence Thomas did not recuse himself despite that his wife had the job of reviewing resumes for potential Bush administration appointees.

3. Illegal counting of absentee ballots: Ballots that were postmarked late were counted.

4. Harrassment/obstruction of voters: Police were citing voters for loitering even when they were just standing in the voting line. Multiple forms of identification were asked for at the polls that were not required by law. No bilignual support at the polls.

5. Shortage of voting machines: Voters stood in line for hours only to be told they couldn't vote because of a shortage of voting machines.

In the current election, there are real conscerns about the electronic voting machines. Scientists at institutions like MIT, Stanford, and Johns Hopkins have reported that there are many potential opportunities for programmers to tamper with voting results tabulated by these machines. Many manufacturers of these voting machines have conflicts of interest, since Diebold (now called Premier Election Solutions), ESS Election Systems & Software, Sequoia, actively raise money for political parties and candidates. Since 2000, many instances of electoral irregularities and fraud surrounding these machines have been reported: see Wikipedia regarding "Electronic Voting."

Everyone should be VIGILANT to prevent these tactics from operating in the upcoming election, with special attention to the REPUBLICANS, since they have actually demonstrated tendencies to commit VOTING AND ELECTION FRAUD.
CallIt

Posted by CallIT October 16, 08 06:25 PM
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More smoke and mirrors. McCain's anger stems from Rick Davis. He is always angry. This is their desperate attempt to hijack the will of the people. The people are for Obama, rich, poor, male, female and everything in between.

Eight is enough!

Posted by letsjustvote October 16, 08 06:25 PM
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I don't believe that the Obama campaign needs to cheat to win an election. The idea that somehow this is a 'liberal conspiracy' rather than a couple of dumb kids making a poor decision is absolutely ridiculous. The McCain campaign seems to have more conspiracy theories then all of the extreme liberals combined. If its not BS of one kind, then its BS of another.... can we desperation?

Posted by ds October 16, 08 06:26 PM
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"Demoncraps"? Is that really the best you can do? I can see why so many of you mental midgets don't believe in evolution. You clearly haven't benefited from it.

Posted by Joseph October 16, 08 06:28 PM
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So "Average American", since when do 'allegations' = proof, and where is the proof that Obama's campaign has anything to do with ACORN. I think it just disgusts you that poor people, young people, minorities, etc. will be voting alongside you!

Posted by Spencer LaFong October 16, 08 06:30 PM
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Heaven forbid voters LISTEN to issues that they should listen too.

An ACORN grew into a big tree whose roots go far and wide. When the rain finally comes, the tree will hopefully fall crashing onto all who seeded it.

ACORN grew Fannie Mae until it was so big it couldn't support it's own weight. ACORN hid while their political nuts said the tree wasn't sick just before it slammed to the ground on top of everyone around it - except the nuts.

Posted by William October 16, 08 06:34 PM
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Some employees (read as freshman with clipboards) have submitted bad data..

IE: They shoved a clipboard in someone's face and someone filled in nonsense for a laugh. CLEARLY Obama is responsible! And surely when someone shows up to vote as Pillsbury Doughboy at the polls, no one will question him or look at his ID.

You know. Liberals also put your picture in the dictionary next to the word gullible. I'm not kidding! Go look!

Posted by headdesk9000 October 16, 08 06:36 PM
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It kind of reminds me of the movie "The Gangs of New York."

Good grief Charley Brown

Posted by aggitta October 16, 08 06:40 PM
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It kind of reminds me of the movie "The Gangs of New York."

Good grief Charley Brown

Posted by aggitta October 16, 08 06:42 PM
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Voters do want to hear about ACORN and AYERS....these are important issues in this Presidential race. We need a President who can give America HOPE, and one whom we can TRUST.

Posted by One Who Cares October 16, 08 06:45 PM
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Obama has nothing to do with whatever mistakes some ACORN members made. Obama also has nothing to do with Ayers' past actions or present views. This is nothing but Republican desperation. These GOPers aren't bringing forth a solid case, they're relying on guilt-by-loose-association and smear. Typical and sad.

Posted by Keith October 16, 08 06:48 PM
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For goodness sake, get an absentee ballot. Sheesh. You're a PhD and you can't figure that out???!!!

It would seem to me that you shouldn't have been allowed to vote all those times you admit you voted with an out-of-state ID. Sounds like you're admitting to committing voter fraud. If I were the appeal judge, not only would you lose, but I'd prosecute you for admitted prior fraudulent voting.

So just how DID you get to Texas without an ID? Where are you from? Are you a citizen? Are you even who you say you are? Prove it! Show someone a passport - you've voted from out-of-the-country. This isn't a difficult procedure, Doc; even a PhD should be able to figure it out. Either establish a bona fide Texas residence or get an absentee ballot. (And please explain the relevance of your having cast several write-in votes to ensuring you are actually entitled to vote).

Dennis

Posted by Dennis October 16, 08 06:48 PM
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zero content politics

Posted by john October 16, 08 06:50 PM
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More lies and outright distortions from the McCain camp.

It doesn't matter if every single one of those registration cards was fake - NONE OF THE NONEXISTENT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE. Are people really worried that Mickey Mouse will show up to vote? This isn't voter fraud. Some of ACORN's employees just wanted to get paid without doing the work. It isn't even an attempt by ACORN to commit fraud. Organizations that register voters are required by most state laws to submit completed forms. Even if ACORN were able to go through every single form to check for authenticity (which is the state voter registrar's job), they couldn't catch the tiny percentage we're talking about. SERIOUSLY, are you people really worried that the state voter registrar is going to mail Scooby Doo a voter registration card? If they do, will Scooby show up with a driver's license on election day??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

It is reprehensible that the level of education and intelligence in the U.S. electorate is so low that people's voting decisions might be swayed by this complete nonsense.

EVEN IF ACORN were committing voter fraud (which this isn't), what in the HELL does that have to do with Obama??? Obama is not "associated" with ACORN any more than McCain (who has appeared at several ACORN fundraisers). Give me a break. The McCain campaign is just trying to associate Obama with "an investigation". It's pathetic, but that's what we should expect when McCain hired the very people (e.g., Tucker Eskew) who - as part of the Bush republican primary campaign in 2000 - smeared McCain's own family with the following accusations: that McCain committed treason while he was a POW, that McCain was gay (referring to him in church flyers as "the fag candidate"), that Cindy was a drug addict, that their adopted daughter was John's illegitimate black baby, etc. Now McCain has hired the people who slandered him and his family to do the same thing to Obama, because that's the only way McCain thinks he can win... and he knows the republican base is notoriously incurious.

What a surprise.

Posted by tsdc7 October 16, 08 06:51 PM
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Where was the republican outrage during the past two elections, which have been proven to be riddled with corruption and fraud. Also, not to mention, the names that ACORN gathers must go through a final vetting system. There are proceedures in place to ensure that the information is correct. This is certainly not nearly as big of a threat to the fabric of democracy as electronic voting machines which can and have been tampered with. Just read up on what happened in Ohio during the last election.

Posted by Kristina Pelletier October 16, 08 06:52 PM
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Haha...right on O4O! I'll be honest on this point: I don't want EITHER of these candidates to win and will not vote for either of them. However, as a relatively objective third party observer, I totally agree that McCain is only bringing this stuff up because he can't win on the actual issues. Also, I thought Obama explained his relation to ACORN well in the debate. He explained that it is an independent organization not affiliated with his campaign, which is true. Hence, they are not taking orders from Obama. Anyway, the point, as far as I'm concerned, is that McCain knows Obama is winning on the issues so he has no other options but to change the subject. Regardless, I still don't think either of these guys deserves the white house.

Posted by Craigbob October 16, 08 06:53 PM
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voter registration fraud is totally different than voter fraud. if the pollsters do their job there will be no voter fraud. this is starting to look a lot like a smoke screen. what is the GOP really doing behind the scenes? looking to get rid of a few minority voters? they wouldn't really try something like that would they?

of course they would.

Posted by Anthony J. October 16, 08 06:54 PM
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A 47 year old still in college who has voted more than once for someone not on the ballot? Your vote would have been worthless anyway.

Posted by Jim in California October 16, 08 06:59 PM
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Of course, this also ignores the fact that McCain has - in the past - been a huge fan of ACORN and their efforts to get out the vote. In fact, he was their keynote speaker before. Of course, that was a long time ago... way back in 2006.

Posted by Richard October 16, 08 07:01 PM
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American --

I agree, if there is fraud, people ought to go to jail.

Only, there are no documented cases of voting fraud organized by Acorn; not one. They actually help the FBI find the cheaters. They also turn in anyone they suspect of cheating.

McBush has to hold on to something for hope. Acorn is as good as anything else.

Posted by DougH October 16, 08 07:05 PM
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John MaCain looks more and more like a desperated OLD MAN. This is all he can do to win. Do you trust him and the pitbull with lipstick? I don't.

Posted by Jane October 16, 08 07:05 PM
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“ACORN should be commended for registering 1.3 million Democrats and Republicans to vote in this historic upcoming presidential election.
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They should be jailed for coercion.
If a person is not intellegent enough or has not registered of his own free will for any reason. Nobody has any right to make these people go vote by coersion.
All ACORN registered voter's should be trashed.

Posted by CC October 16, 08 07:08 PM
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Get the ACORN thing straight... The people who take registrations for ACORN are for the most part, poor people who need the job. Those people want more money, so they "make up" registrations and add them to their pile at the end of the day for more money. THEN, those registrations get looked through, and those that are obviously false (like the Mickey Mouse one) get pulled and reported to the agency that ACTUALLY handles putting the information into the database. SOOOOO... Yes, there are "extra" registrations that have been taken by ACORN, but NO, those registrations do not get put into any database! Read up on it, and stop acting like you're the dumbest people on the planet! So a little research, that is what the Internet/Phones are for!

Posted by LaRae October 16, 08 07:10 PM
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Demoncraps?!?!? Are you for real??!?!? Really...Exactly 1,299,999 Democrats and one Republican?!?!? Got that on a McCain ad or just making it up? It's the same old, tired, boring argument...No plan, no leadership, so lets talk about something we know little about but can scream about at the top of our lungs...ACORN and Ayers?!?!? What about the policy? What about the plan to improve upon the eight years of failed Presidential leadership and the mess it has left us in? Instead we're reduced to Pit bulls and lipstick and a guy who can't spell orchestrate to screech about Democraps. Good luck America....You're going to need it.

Posted by IraqVetForObama October 16, 08 07:15 PM
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Ohbuma's connection is the question, IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH CHARACTER than voter fraud. Same same with the good reverend and MR Ayers (who is a member in good standing with the academic meat heads of the land.) Like I said, it is a matter of character.

Posted by Les October 16, 08 07:16 PM
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Anyone one who buys into this new GOP stunt is an idiot. "Heads should roll" because voters are being registered??? C'mon! I'd like to see Mickey Mouse show up with his ID and try to vote. I wonder where they will be mailing the voter registration cards to? The Magic Kingdom? If any "fraud" was indeed committed (seeing as how the FBI investigation is still ongoing) then it would be the stupid ACORN employee who got lazy and didn't do his job. Meanwhile we all KNOW for a fact that Palin abused her power as Governor. Wonder what she will do as VP?

Posted by Leon October 16, 08 07:18 PM
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Anyone who cannot comprehend the difference between fraudulent voter REGISTRATION and FRAUDULENT VOTES ought to disqualified from casting a ballot on the grounds that their sheer stupidity is a threat to democracy.
Anyone who suggests that this is an effort to "steal the election", likewise.
Get it through your imbecilic heads: Mickey Mouse NEVER shows up to vote, with or without ID.
Only Ann Coulter LIES about her address to try and cast a ballot in another precinct.
There is NO VOTER FRAUD - just lazy, greedy form-jackers. They are NOT the same thing

Posted by cousinavi October 16, 08 07:22 PM
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If the FBI needs something to investigate it the lies and misconceptions the White House construed that got us in a war that is responsible for what really amount to war crimes against humanity.. Bush Cheney and Rums need to be held accountable for the deaths of all of the American soldiers all of the injured and disabled American soldiers and the thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died and been maimed by this make believe war. They should be tried and convicted and then hung to their deaths.
Also, why Obama wants this presidency is beyond me. No human on earth can undo the damage that has been done by the Far Right Wing GOP; and to me this is like the ultimate trap they are setting for the Democratic party to fall into.
The American public does not have the patience that it is going to take to even begin repairing the damage fiscally much less the stature of the United States that the Bush Doctrine has been irreversibly damaged in the world community.


Posted by Anthony Acosta October 16, 08 07:40 PM
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ALL ACORN newly registered voters should be scrutinized and sanitized! And why are taxpayers funding this atrocity?!

Obama doesn't tell the truth! He is working to rigg the votes, otherwise why would his campaign have contributed to ACORN?

Disgusting. See the light and vote for McCain Palin or forever hold your peace, which is more than you'll have after Obama's "SPREAD THE WEALTH" plan!

Posted by Laura M October 16, 08 07:42 PM
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With 19 days to go until the elections, I cannot remember when a vote was so easy for me to make. During the primaries, I was torn between Obama and McCain.

Obama has stretched McCain's record, which I dislike. But it happens occassionally. Generally, Obama speaks candidly to people and the media about himself, Bill Ayers, McCain, Keating, the economy, taxes, health care, and only really spends times on the issues that matter. I understand who Obama is and what he wants to do for our country.

McCain hasn't spent any meaningful time on his plans for our country. McCain is not informing voters, and he appears to be lying. If John McCain knows about Obama's questionable relationships, then he should put out a press release that says more than, "Obama isn't telling us everything about Bill Ayers and ACORN." Give us facts. And then move on, let the media move on, and get down to solving the problems that face our country.

And what did John McCain hope to gain by focusing on Joe Plumber? Joe W complained that he might have to pay more taxes because he makes over $200,000.00. If you have achieved the American Dream of material wealth, then you should pay more taxes. When you make more than 5 times the average worker, you can afford to pay for the services that benefit you more than anyone else. No one disputes that our justice system, health care system, and other government services work much better for people of means. John McCain doesn't mention that, which makes me think that he is either out of touch or out of compassion.

McCain can't put "Country First" if he is putting "Obama Pals with Terrorists" or "Joe Plumber" first.

Posted by A Campbell October 16, 08 07:45 PM
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The liberal Democratic Socialist Party wants to rig the vote in order to sieze power. Once they're in power they plan to redistribute the wealth in order to make as many people as possible dependent on them. Then they will suppress free speech with the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" so their opponents can't report on them. Castro and Chavez must be giddy with excited anticipation of their new partners.

Posted by J W October 16, 08 07:55 PM
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The full story on ACORN's voter registration is complicated, so it either gets left out or buried in the back of most news stories. ACORN sets out to register as many voters as it can, particularly is areas which have been traditionally under-represented in the process - which tends to mean Democrats. However, all states require that organizations which conduct voter registration drives may not restrict the registrations to a particular party. This means that ACORN must allow anyone it registers to choose any party they wish. To enforce this requirement and to prevent an organization from culling out registrations for a party it doesn't like, most state also require that the organization submit ALL registrations it receives to the State's registrar of voters.

It is the responsibility of the State office in charge of handling elections to then process the registrations and determine if they are valid. To assist that process, ACORN reviews the registrations it receives and "flags" for the State those papers which are incomplete, or which have obviously false names (Mickey Mouse) or other indications of defect. ACORN must still submit those flagged papers because most states require it to do so. ACORN also wants to avoid claims that it only submitted selected registrations. In addition, ACORN has a phone bank which makes calls (3 calls) to attempt to verify the information on the applications.
ACORN also flags those applications which appear proper but which it has been unable to verify.

ACORN acknowledges that its workers make mistakes and some even falsify papers. In order to avoid that problem, ACORN shifted from paying workers by the number of registrations submitted, to simply paying by the hour. Even then, a small percentage are defective.

It is ultimately the responsibility of the State to determine eligibility to vote. And most states voter registration operations are computerized and eliminate duplicate registrations and defective registrations. Also, even if false names make it onto voter roles, someone has to be aware and be able to identify themselves as that voter. These issues have been exhautively researched and most voting experts agree that the incidence of false voters is extremely rare.

What is much more prevalent are instances of organized voter suppression which has nothing to do with ACORN. These include systematic efforts by partisan poll watchers to execute repeated challenges to voter eligibility in polling places located in opposition strongholds to disrupt voting and cause long lines and extended waits, increasing the likelihood that those voters will be discouraged and leave. Other "dirty tricks" include leaflets flooding opposition areas which give incorrect election dates, or which advise voters that they will not be allowed to vote if they have any unpaid parking or traffic tickets. Partisan election officials sometimes place insufficient voting machines in opposition areas to create long lines and decrease the vote.

Posted by Speaktruth October 16, 08 07:56 PM
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I'm still undecided as to whether I'll vote for Obama or McCain. However, as a teacher and a registered Republican, I am decidedly revolted by the language used by "Average American" here. Those of you reading this, please keep in mind that most Republicans can think critically, base judgments on evidence, and spell. To other "Average Americans" out there: keep asking questions; demand answers.

Posted by Republican Teacher October 16, 08 08:09 PM
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#3, do you want to vote for someone who talks about the issues but supports or even engages in organizing voter registration fraud? This is a serious issue that should make you want to throw out a candidate altogether. Obama is a fraud and a crook. It's a good thing that his supporters go to ACORN's side. That shows they are related. Let the FBI keep investigating ACORN. They'll find out the truth. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that they'll complete the case before Election Day. What if Obama gets elected and we found that he is a fraud and a crook? Are we going to see another impleachment?

Posted by mk October 16, 08 08:13 PM
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Even if ACORN did in fact act fraudulently, that organization is independent from Obama's campaign, it's non-partisan, and there is not enough proof about specific "acts" in question to label it as "systematic" (which is why the Feds are probably looking into it). It's obvious that McCain is trying to throw as much dirt as possible at Obama, whether he himself thinks it's true, kind of true, or not true at all. He figures the public won't have access to the information anyway, except for what fragments the people get from the media and the internet ... While Obama may be aware of this notion as well, when put on the spot he will give the best relevant, concise, and clear answer he is capable of to the majority of questions asked, and all verbal attacks made at him. McCain on the other hand, deals with his questions by telling some story from way out in left field, accusing Obama of something, or generally not dealing with whatever the question or assertion is. Clearly in every debate, McCain was answering most questions with half answers and non-answers designed to appeal to the people who want the quick fix, or don't know enough about the subject matter to have a clue what any kind of real, direct answer would sound like and are OK with a story that could touch the heart instead.
Incidentally, most of the 1%-3% of the population that makes 250K+ who might be scared of paying a bit more in taxes should be smart enough to know when someone is pulling the wool over their eyes deliberately... or for that matter what about the people who think that more nuclear waste (as a byproduct of 45 new power plants nationwide) would somehow be good for the country, for the environment, the crops, air, water, HUMANITY...? I really feel sorry for them.
Essentially, McCain's approach to answering questions is tantamount to George W.'s, and his whole team... so whether this new republican would actually be different from his predecessor or not, we, the people, would likely be hearing the same things from the government... non answers to our questions. Personally, I think deep down McCain knows he is going to lose. He spent so much time focusing on a continuous attempt to take Obama down, that he forgot to actually develop concrete plans for his campaign, hah. As far as ACORN, I wouldn't believe the hype, although, didn't some kind of fraudulent voting scam get reported during the Kennedy election?
Where some campaigns may throw dirt they dig up/find at one another, I believe John McCain's campaign is taking sand, heating it up to form brick, and then trying to throw it at his opponent (but because it's a brick he can't throw it as far as dirt, and it just hits the ground before hitting Obama).

Posted by PB&J for BO&JB October 16, 08 08:29 PM
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By Law Acorn has to turn in the registrations. Let me repeat that, BY LAW Acorn has to turn in any registrations they take. They give the government three piles of paper work the good ones they verified, the incomplete ones that are not verified and the ones that are suspicious.

Posted by James E Stevenson October 16, 08 09:57 PM
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ACORN Fritters Voter Frauder Flatulence.
Obama funded, then obfusticates.
The FBI should get the goods on the people trying this obvious attempt to steel the election.
Jail is too good for them.

Posted by Chuck Solomon October 17, 08 04:38 AM
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I am a strong John McCain supporter and am disappointed that there is a telephone ad running today that links Obama to Ayers as I saw on the Channel 5 News in Boston this morning. I feel that the issue has been beaten to death and the McCain campaign has benefitted all it can on this point.

Please move change tactics and telephone advertise on a more important issue rather than a negative personal attack on Obama. We are better than that.

Good luck John & Sarah

Posted by c.churchill October 17, 08 07:01 AM
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I guess McCain forgot about what happened in 2000.

Senility, I guess.

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