McCain slams Obama on 'redistribution of wealth'

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

all we need now is to get the 2003 video of him and Khalidi making a toast regarding Jews, we will be all set. Mc Cain needs to hit these subjects hard and hit them everyday. McCain-Pain'08

In November of 1972, 49 states voted for Richard M. Nixon and Watergate occurred on June 17th. It was then I lost faith in Americans to chose a worthy leader. We are at the edge of a new beginning. Those of you who did not witness the October days of 1962 or the hard economic times of 1970 when engineers were committing suicide know only what you know. You do not even know what you do not know!

Let's all cut the crap! This is class warfare. Obama is going to tax the hell out of the working, productive class of American society to increase the welfare doleouts to the 40% of the population who can't be bothered getting educated or working. Add to that the illegal aliens Obama wants to ADD to the government doleout system and what you'll have left is 2 classes: the haves and have nots. And the haves will be those people with the golden parachutes like Franklin Raines who'll hide their money in offshore accounts. At some point, there will no longer be a working class in America. We'll all be on the dole. Why not? Why should we work and bust our asses while the rest sit on their butts and don't do a damn thing!

And why doesn't Obama's campaign Release this Past Interview with McCain???

During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked McCain why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” The exchange continued:

YOUNG WOMAN: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism and stuff?. . .

MCCAIN: Here’s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.

WASHINGTON—Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act -- that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.

Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said

Stiv84 said:

During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked him why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.”

Nice one! John McCain should know... 'cuz THAT d00dz R1CH!!! Seriously, you see Candy Cain's tax return from last year? Something like 4.5 mil in income... hey, I have no problem with that... BUT it cerainly DOES explain McSham's "rich people make more than $5 mil" comment a couple of months ago. I guess Candy Cain isn't rich after all!!!!! Who woulda thought!

You see, the irony here is that we all have to choose between two WELFARE STATES: one the one hand you have social welfare for non-rich people, and on the other you have corporate welfare to make rich people richer.

All you McSham supporters crack me up with your "lower taxes" mantra... You don't actually understand what it is that you're supporting/advocating. Since 98% of probably make no more than $100-150K/yr, I suggest you figure out right quick who your allies are. It ain't rich people like Candy Cain, I can tell you that...

The mouthpieces for Obama (Bill Burton, David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs, Claire McCaskill) are complete idiots! It is sad to see them spewing their talking points over & over again. For once it would be rewarding to hear them say - "yes, that IS true......yes, Obama (and Biden) screwed up; yes, Obama (and Biden) made a mistake; yes, Obama (and Biden) misspoke." The wee morning hours of 5 November will be a relief when it is confirmed that Senator McCain has won the election by a significant margin and Obama has made his concession speech.

I am very concerned that the media has not vetted Barack Obama. The idea of having this "chosen one" coming from roots that have not been mentioned. Aside from the basic lack of experience, there are issues that should scare that hell out of people that don't share the Pelosi/Obam/Reid doctrine. We are about to lose our freedoms and all the media can talk about is fluff!

Between the "useful idiots", as Stalin would call our media, and our uninformed public - we are going to lose our freedoms. Barack reminds me of Benito Mussolini only worse. At least Benito would defend his country.

Just a few suggestions:

The Global Poverty bill will be sending something like $87 million to Kenya (Obama's true country of choice)
It will allow the UN to tax us AND disarm this country. People don't have a clue, why not? This bill explains why Joe Binden was the VP pick.

The sub prime loan mess was brought to us by a combination of corrupt politicians and Fannie Mae. Looking at the cast of criminals, there are real ties to the Black Caucus, ACORN... I would like to know how much of the $700 billion dollar bailout went to Geroge Soros and Warren Buffet. We are seeing what I would call financial terrorism and manipulation.

Energy - we still are not allowed to go after oil WHERE THE OIL IS. This is a deliberate mission to hurt this country when the manipulators cut off our supply. This is a homeland security issue that is not being addressed, why not?

Taxes - I just flat out don't believe either candidate on tax cuts! I truly think everyone will have huge tax increases. The goal of the elite is not to bring everyone up..if these multimillionaire politicians want me to believe them...I say they should give their millions away. Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, and so many more of our "public servants" are keeping their money. I'll bet they have moved their millions but if not, lets see their wealth spread around!

Lastly, I have white, black, brown and yellow friends! Why are we not hearing that Barack Obama is NOT African-American? Why is he being allowed to fool so many with a lie? He is 44% Arab and 50% white!!! I have told my black friends that he is being untruthful but the media has not even mentioned it. Barack Obama's ancestors were the ones capturing and selling slaves and people in America should know the truth! Just because someone has dark skin it doesn't make someone African- American!

"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

- Abraham Lincoln

The mouthpieces for Obama (Bill Burton, David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs, Claire McCaskill) are complete idiots! It is sad to see them spewing their talking points over & over again. For once it would be rewarding to hear them say - "yes, that IS true......yes, Obama (and Biden) screwed up; yes, Obama (and Biden) made a mistake; yes, Obama (and Biden) misspoke." The wee morning hours of 5 November will be a relief when it is confirmed that Senator McCain has won the election by a significant margin and Obama has made his concession speech.

Let me reiterate what I had posted earlier. You people that support Obama have been taught to hate Bush, hate his policies, hate the war in Iraq. But none of you can come up with one reason why you personally hate him and his administration, without a Democrat's false answer to explain it, you have been misled. Democrats have been preaching Doom and Gloom for this economy for 8 years and you believe every single word they say with the help from media. You have been decieved.
Where's the misery from Bush? Where's the doom and gloom? Beside the declining economy right now caused by democrats, which is blamed on republicans, which is nothing new. Oh no! Democrats do nothing wrong, there is no entitlement for their mistakes. They blame everyone else but themselves when there intentions turn into intended/unintended consquences. They are very good at lying to you, decieving you manipulating you. Its called control. They want as much control over every aspect of you lifeas they can get. Look no further than California.
The fact is America has prospered since Bush has been in Office and the Democrats tell you otherwise. Has anyone been miserable in the last 8 years? Has anyone really feel hate towards Bush that the hate Democrats tell you to feel. Think about that for one second, They are brainwashing you people into what to think and how to feel. You people all act like Bush has destroyed your lives, that we have been in depression for 8 years, that life sucks, that life is miserable, you can't work, you can't do anything for yourselves, which it has been everything but that.

I'm middle class and doing better than any previous time in my life. Please, keep the change.

Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: 'I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.'"

Obama isn't talking about taxing the rich so he can give cash to people on welfare to buy iPods. The concept of taxes by itself is "redistribution of wealth". FDR spent money to create the WPA. It gave the country jobs and improved infrastructure. We are again in a crisis where the country needs rebuilding. That demands a coordinated effort.

If we fail to take care of our future, we have only ourselves to blame.

This is a crazy debate. 1. There's no such thing as complete free market economics or complete government control. Everything is in the middle, so how about specifics instead of labels? 2. McCain supported the biggest government intervention in the financial sector in history, but the right doesn't call him "socialist," because it's good for business. 3. Socialism is about command and control, like saying the shoe factory must be in state x and the car factory has to produce y cars. Socialism has nothing to do with what Obama is proposing. 4. Bush, McCain, and the neocons for years have pursued an agenda of radical wealth "redistribution," pushing wealth upward through tax policy and deregulation, yet again no complaints from the right. 5. Obama by contrast is focused on middle class relief whatever you call it. 6. All tax and fiscal policy is redistributive. The only real question is whether you agree with the priorities. 7. The problem with the right is the base doesn't get they are hurt by GOP policies. 8. Scandanavian countries have a higher standard of living than the United States. 9. The far right is like a wasteland; it's mostly name-calling and labels.

I am selling of anything that makes me appear to be" wealthy" before Barack the Redistributor gets into office.

The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to protect America and the people from the people themselves and the mob mentality "public opinion" that can lead to change we do not need. If Obama thinks the Supreme Court should rule based on public opinion then he is against the Constitution. The laws of this land are made to protect us from ourselves and other people as the basic instinct of people needs to be controled. This is called a civil society based on long held beliefs and truths that have been adjusted over time to meet the requirements and truths of the present, such as was done with civil rights and giving women and minorities the right to vote. The kind of hope the messiah Obama preaches is the same kind of hope that brought about socialist and facist powers to Russia and Germany and Cuba and Columbia and Italy and etc......

To #654, Anon;

I'm very familiar with that verse. I noticed Jesus asked the Rich Young Ruler to give to the poor. Did you notice that He did not ask him to give to the government? Drastically more conservatives give generously to charity than do liberals. Both percentage wise and overall.

I noticed that Jesus was in favor of entrepreneurs. Keep reading Matthew for the parable of the talents. How did Jesus feel about the 3rd servant who was too lazy or too scared to do anything with what his master had gifted him?

Lastly, for the record, I do not like to hit people with the Bible when debating. I have too much respect for other people's beliefs, and for God's Word. However, I will use the Bible to defend against spin when the Bible is invoked into the debate.

Obama supporters are not worried about issues because they are all on their knees waiting to do something else if you catch my drift.

The reason that Obamasexuals do not know what a Marxist stands for is because 43% of them are high school drop outs and the remaining 57% probably went to college and pursued a profession in education ( to subvert the kids) or Law ( to subvert Law). I think I am being nice by even assuming 57% of his supporters went to college.

I think where most conservatives get it wrong, Hillary is a Socialist. This guy is a class A Marxist. Communist, Stalinist, and any other left wing ist you can think of. Sad to say but I think if his supporters actually read the Manifesto that would probably make them idiots more excited about voting for him. They would think it's cool. Democrats are a party of death and dispair and nothing good can come out of it. Sometimes I really wish we could Quarantine all liberals to California, Oregon and Washington State.

Please help me, I am unable to help myself. America doesn't need rich people working or achieving. Think about that, what will happen when the rich move from this country. Who will save me then ?

If you want a good description of Obama's socialism Google the song "Big Rock Candy Mountain".

He has no record to run on and his advocates and advisors want us to ignore his professed ideas. What is this, a beauty contest?

"The Obama campaign is responding by sending around a report from Politico in which Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor who is advising Obama, downplays the remarks as law professor-speak."

Wake up, fellow Americans! Obama will destroy the U.S. of America that we know. Do not listen to their ridiculous spin-explanations. Do not trust this socialist agent with a secret, secret agenda.

I am not trying to be funny but can a Democrat actually tell me why you are voting for Obama. I want some specifics not none of this feel good change crap?

Robert from NJ, I think it’s honorable that you are willing to use part of your very VERY good salary to help some other hard working American who is less fortunate than you. But, when was the last time you went out and found such an individual and shared some of your wealth? If you want to put your hand in your pocket and give some of your hard earned wealth to someone less fortunate, I applaud you for it, but keep your dammed hands out of my pocket. Let me decide to whom and how much of my money I want to give, don't give the government more power to take my money and put it where they want it because all too often it doesn’t get to the right pocket.

Quote from McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin: "In a previously uncovered interview from September 6, 2001, Barack Obama expressed his regret that the Supreme Court hadn't been more 'radical' and described as a 'tragedy' the Court's refusal to take up 'the issues of redistribution of wealth.'"

After listening to the audio clip, my take on the above statement is that it is an outright lie. By taking distorted views from extreme right-wing bloggers and running with them as though they are fact, the McCain campaign once again shows that it is out of control and focused on the wrong issues.

Wow, great story, Obamination... you must do this thing a lot too because I got a forwarded e-mail just 2 weeks ago with that exact same story. And to think it happened to you again today, what a coincidence!

People just don't get it. Here's how taxing the rich really works: my wife is a lawyer, and yes, her small business does make more than $250K. Under Obama she gets a tax increase and makes less money at the end of the year. So what does she do? Seeing as she invested money into an education (paid by us, not the government) and into hiring and training employees and has capital invested in office, equipment, etc. She is looking to get a return on her investment of money and time and she is not working 12 hours a day for the fun of it, so she either fires a lawyer or support staff or she raises her rates! Either way her clients (all of us) will pay for this increase by way of unemployment or higher fees.

WOW Sarah Palin Wardrobe budget is big news but CNN MSNBC don't feel the need to report this. No damn wonder FOX is crushing them. I personally think they are holding on for dear life until Obama save them but surprisingly he is not a proponent of the Fairness Doctrine. I am actually surprise

This radio discussion with Mr. Obama and others is a discourse regarding the influence of the Federal Supreme Court upon the states, and the interpretation of the Constitution, which changes over time as views within society changes.

Specifically, the discussion describes changes in civil rights, especially those of minorities, and the question of equal educational opportunities post-Brown vs. Board of Education (1954-1955), where the central issue became how to accomplish such objective. This is the ‘REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH’ as discussed, the question of “how do we get more money into the schools” to make equal education possible, as called for in the ruling.

The case of San Antonio vs. Rodriguez (early 1970’s) is cited as an example wherein, as ruled, the courts (federal and state) are out-of-bounds to hear cases regarding such redistributions of monies to schools.

Mr. Obama describes the Constitution as an article “of negative liberties”, that is, a document stating what states (and the Federal Government) cannot do to you, such as prevent you from voting based upon your faith, sex, or ethnic background. He mentions that It is not a document describing what the states or the Federal Government “must do on your behalf”.

The radio discussion explored the ways in which compliance to Supreme Court interpretations of civil rights laws under the Constitution were enacted, given this separation. These included withholding federal funds based upon non-compliance.

Mr. Obama commented that, as radical as some would describe the Warren court, that “...it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the ESSENTIAL CONSTRAINTS that were placed by the founding fathers...”

Mr. Obama considered the Civil Rights Movement a success in that it “...succeeded in vesting formal rights (right to vote, etc) ...” to minorities. His criticism of the movement was, in his view, the focus upon the courts as the major agent of change when, by constitutional constraints mentioned earlier, it cannot be. The position of the high court is to interpret the Constitution and adherence to it. The rest is up to society.

Perhaps the McCain campaign is hoping nobody actually listens to the entire discussion, and instead latches onto a tiny portion taken completely out of context.

Let's face it, BO knows how to spend your money than you ever will...isn't that what this is about. Let's redistribute the wealth....take from you and me and give to the "community organizer" like Rev Wright. He has the best ideas doesn't he...he will know what to do with your wealth.

I love the post that try to argue for what it is BO means when he says "redistrubution of wealth." I believe those words only have one meaning in the English vocabulary.

Also, will some please tell BO that we need to see his birth certificate. Just to let all you know there is a law suit pending in federal court relating to BO birth. Specifically, there is a claim he was not born in the US - imagine that (if true). To easily dismiss this law suit, all BO has to do is produce a certified birth certificate. Funny thing...he has not produced one and is filing motion after motion on why the claim is not true. Maybe that is the "change we need" - a non-US national as president. That would be change!!

This item did serve one great purpose, to lift up the rock of the Drudge Report and expose the roaches beneath. Matt Drudge has carefully nurtured his audience on a diet of ignorance, hatred, and right-wing propaganda, and they have grown into a mob that can be relied upon by the GOP to spring into action at a moments notice, filling cyberspace with their amazingly ignorant, ill-informed drivel.

To all the laughably stupid people complaining about "wealth redistribution" - guess what, your income tax is now, and has always been, wealth redistribution. The taxes you pay provide our government with money so it can function.

Using your same astoundingly poor logic, we should conclude that ANY politician who thinks we should have an income tax is also a socialist. Of course, the US *is* socialist, to a degree, and has been so since the early 1900s. Social Democracy is the system of government that most all of the civilized world enjoys.

Conflating Social Democracy with Marxism is a sign that you really don't know what you're talking about.

To those saying he wishes the legislature and/or the court would violate the constitution, you are simply not reading the words or you are trying to spin them to say what you want them to mean.

In plain terms what he said was:

The court acted within the framework of the constitution which meant it could not act in this manner. It is unfortunate that they do not have the power to do this, however, this type of action CAN be enacted via the legislature and the way to go about creating this type of change is by rallying support for it and getting a law passed that would do so, since the constitution only covers what the government cannot do, not what it can.

The "redistribution" he is talking about is specifically pertaining to education and assistance that helps people right themselves. Obama is NOT a supporter of welfare, he does NOT seek to expand welfare, but people want to believe that he does because that is their notion of a liberal and Obama is "the most liberal member of the Senate".

If you read his plans he supports the Earned Income Credit which does give up to ~$2,000 back to people who are working but are still below the poverty line. This money is payable only if you are earning money and as a percentage of the money you earn. That means it ENCOURAGES you to work because you will get more money (up to the point where you cross the poverty line and thus are self-sufficient at which point the benefit starts to go away).

This is exactly the OPPOSITE of welfare.

But you will ignore me and continue your ridiculous rants about socialism (returning to lower tax rates than we had under Reagan is somehow socialist... Riiiiiiight).

Carry on with the madness...

I'm kinda surprised at the number of redneck ignant mccain supporters on this website.

If B. Hussein Obama becomes president I will offshore my $100,000's, go on wealthfare while my investments mature, and retire elsewhere.

This blog is filled with republican elitist who feel they are better than those "poor" democratics. These people are so consused about their place in our economic system. That's all they know is that they don't want to be on the bottom. I got news for you, if you make less than $200k a year, economically you are nothing. You are complaining about "socialism"? Increasing taxes on the rich and reducing taxes for the middle class is socialism? Where the hell have you been the last 100 years?

Alaska is certainly the most socialistic state in our Union. Palin has taken pride in saying that the wealth of Alaska gets spread around to its inhabitants. Remember that a huge part of Alaska is federally owned, and all of Alaska's wealth stems from its natural resources, above and below the ground. The wealth that gets redistributed by Palin and her ilk in Alaska really belongs to all Americans rightfully. How can she argue in favor of her own wealth sharing and against the Democrat's ideas at the same time?

Speaking of McCain, how's his old buddy G. Gordon Liddy, the domestic terrorist, who advocated shooting federal agents in the head? Has McCain's aide William Timmons had anymore contact with foreign agents since his well known dealings with Saddam's cohorts?

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."

Lamont:

I am voting for Obama because I feel that new age imperialism undertaken by the Republican party has significantly hurt our standing in the world. I feel we need a leader who will reunite us with the rest of the world, and be willing to listen at times, not just try to tell the rest of the world what to do as Bush/Cheney has tried and McCain has made it clear he is ready to continue doing.

I am voting for Obama because I believe that the Bush tax cuts have unfairly shifted more of the burden onto the middle class and that by removing the cuts for the super wealthy and increasing the capital gains taxes back to more reasonable levels (they'll still be lower than they were under Reagan, people) we will have a more fair sharing of the tax burden on Americans.

I am voting for Obama because I believe that all men are created equal, and those that when consenting adults want to enter into a legal contract it shouldn't matter whether they are of the same gender or not, if the government will recognize one they should also recognize the other.

I am voting for Obama because I want someone who stands up for what he believes in, not someone who decides after holding a very strong anti-torture stance his entire life due to the cruel and horrible things he had to endure, that since it is politically expedient to be pro-torture he will change his position even though it hurts him deeply to do so.

I am voting for Obama because I want someone who has the judgment to pick a cabinet that will support him in the areas that he might be weak. I believe Obama's judgment in picking Biden, who is strong on foreign policy an area of weakness for Obama showed much better judgment than McCain picking someone who suited his short term political needs by being a.) very conservative to rally the base, and b.) a woman in a blatant attempt to pander to the disenfranchised Hilary voters. Personally, I thought Romney would have been a strong VP choice, however, his religion was probably the deciding factor in why John was afraid to pick him despite the fact that he would have made a much better VP.

I am voting for Obama because I think his economic and health care policies are much more beneficial to the people who need them. Under Obama's plan my health care situation would be unchanged (I have a good job with an employer who pays my health care) but those who do not have access would be able to buy into a cheaper program than they currently have the option to because Obama would allow people to buy into the same program that Congress gets. This is not socialized health care as the neocons constantly try to make me believe, the government is not paying for this program it is allowing access. Under McCain's plan my benefit would be taxed and someone making $20k a year would be given a $5k credit on something that costs at least $10k which means they still couldn't afford it.

So in response I ask of you, why are you voting for McCain. And here is the difficult twist I am going to throw in because I have not heard ANYONE give a good answer to this: Tell me why you are voting for McCain without mentioning anything about Obama or his plans. Tell me what it is you like about John McCain.

If Obama beleives in the redistribute of economic prosperity of wealth concept why has he not given any of his wealth to his half brother? Or why hasn't big mouth Joe gave some of his wealth to charity. Also I didn't hear a lot about how bad the economy was the first 7 years Bush was in office.Bush gave you a tax deduction that Obama is going to take away, then Obama will send you a check and say its
redistributing of wealth.(But your going to have less money in your pocket if you have a job and pay taxes) Another thing when is Obama just going to tell the truth and not run behind the bush and hide?

"Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor who is advising Obama", confirms the criticism of Obama as a redistributionist/socialist. In her remarks, Ms Sunstein does not claim that Obama does not want to redistribute wealth, she claims that Obama thinks he "should aim for the same goals through legislative action."

Just look at the word "Redistribution". It means take what you got, and spread it around. The rich are evil and the poor need more... If this doesn't sound like communism I don't know what does. And all this will be controlled by the goverment?? I have an idea, take the 700 billion dollars that got earmarked into oblivion and redistribute that to the American Public. All the ills of this serious situation would be fix in a week. The Public knows what they need, they need to pay their bills and the money would go where the American public most needs it. So far we've gone through the depression because law makers all were voting on the same bills that gave freedom to those who now want to Redistribute.. My money! I think not.....

Hey Dem Yanks.....just words huh? What part of "redistribution of wealth" do you not understand you freakin' socialist wonk? Since you probably don't pay taxes, earn a wage or contribute to our economy anyway, this whole redistribution of wealth idea probably sounds pretty sweet to you. Waaaaaah, Uncle Sam, change my diaper, and fluff my pillow and get me some more cheetos and cigarettes and tune my big screen TV to Oprah, waaaaah.......

McCain... Stop talking about Obama. We know his plans, and they seem to sit well with a majority. Now tell us a bit about yourself...
Tell me what you are going to do other than continue the upstream of wealth to American billionaires? Are you going to order them to finally let some of it trickle down rather than invest in in stupid get-even-richer quick schemes? Tell me how you intend to get us out of this mess your party introduced and has gleefully presided over? Tell me the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni, please. Where is Pakistan on the map? What are you going to do about Sarah Palin's complete incompetence, she does not know what the VP is supposed to do.

While you are at it: explain to me what you think is socialist, please.
Is it being opposed to child labor? I am opposed to child labor.

Is it supporting the 40-hour week? I am for it.
Is it having safe social security for the ederly? I am for it.
Is it having unemployment benefits and support for the needy in our society? I am for it .
You are not interested in this stuff that affects the average American, Mr. McCain, because you are a rich pol, a mediocre thinker, a coward who caved in to the Ignoramus Belt's ranting, a man who has lost his bearings politically. You might win, I concede, but you will rather take the country down with you in your mad dash for power, rather than leave it to a person like Obama who has the brains and the judgment to really make our nation great again.

Hi. This is in response to ObaminationofDesolation, regarding your comment about it being easier to "swallow" the redistribution of wealth in concept rather than in its practical application. Meaning no disrespect, and regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the concept of wealth re-distribution, I don’t feel that your experiment yields accurate results for a few reasons:
First, redistribution of wealth would affect everyone at once, after legislature is passed to enforce and regulate it in a specific way and based on previously agreed upon tenets, principles, and calculations, which are decided upon by committees. Your experiment singled out just one Obama supporter at random, then you decided, in that moment, to institute wealth-redistribution in your own way, just on that one person, at that one instant in time, and not based upon any previously agreed upon standards, protocol, or system of control.
Secondly, redistribution of wealth would not affect blue collar workers nor people in the service industries in a notable way. The redistribution would affect – to a much greater degree – those in society who are making at least a hundred, or a few hundred thousand dollars a year. The effects of wealth redistribution on the service-industry workers would be far harder to detect on a daily basis. They certainly would not be as apparent as they are when someone is expecting to receive a tip after serving a table – because that person receives a tip after every table he or she serves, on every night he or she works – then all of a sudden not receiving it for no other reason other than that someone was trying to make a point.
Thirdly, even though I personally DO believe in some degree of wealth redistribution, I think if I were working as a server at a restaurant and someone tried to prove a point to me in the same way you did with your server, my reaction would probably be to get pissed off initially at the immediate implications of what had happened (ie: I’m out 10 bucks), but then upon re-thinking the situation in my head, I would probably and hopefully reach the conclusion: “well, you know what, he was right…that guy did need the money more than I”. And, I think I would then be able to put the occurrence behind me after that. Although, I wouldn’t agree with the way in which this particular action of wealth redistribution was carried out, meaning, your decision to randomly carry out wealth re-distribution on me in the manner you thought fit.

I understand people when they talk about not wanting all of their hard-earned money to go to people who are sitting on their asses all day, doing nothing, and living off of the money you work hard for. I don’t like this idea either! However, I also understand that there are hundreds of thousands of people out there who, for any number of possible reasons, haven’t had the same privileges and opportunities that I and many others have had. I know it’s possible for those who start off with less to work their asses off and beat the odds to achieve success, but their process is certainly much more difficult and laborious than ours, not to mention laden with obstacles designed to help them fail. But, what about those who don’t have quite the drive or the determination at first, but with a little push, they too can rise up, beat the odds, and be successful? Don’t we want to help them by giving them that push? Otherwise, these people don’t really have a fair shot. Why is it so hard for people who have learned to successfully maneuver through and rise up in the system to lend a little helping hand to others who might need a little push but can surely achieve great things too?
It’s like us reaching out a hand to say “we’re here” - It’s a small vote of encouragement.
Ok, so there are some people who take advantage of the system, and that’s a shame, and it’s a problem. But…. A question for anyone who would like to answer: Isn’t it more important to make sure every American is protected and looked out for to begin with, regardless of their background, and THEN deal with the problem of those who take advantage of the system, as opposed to immediately excluding everyone, on principle, just to make sure no one ever does take advantage of the system?

Over 11,000,000 middle class tax payers disappeared last year went somewhere. But it wasn't down in income. Tip O' Neil said, " When you steal from Peter to pay Paul you get the admiration and vote from Paul." If you make less than someone else and all it takes is a vote to increase your income, why not? Where is the path of least resistance? Everyone is beating the drums about the graft and pork on the bridge to nowhere ( agree). Where is the same contempt for the cost overruns and corruption for the Big Dig? Oh yeah, that was Mitt's doing right?

Yeah, let's stop this socialist conspiracy and end redistribution of wealth in this country. Social security, progressive taxes, medicare, tax breaks for childcare, education, medical expenses, housing expenses, public schools, public transportation, accessible health care, unemployment benefits - all communist devilry. Can't afford private schools? Didn't save enough cash for retirement? Too sick to get health insurance? Tough luck, at least we're not Sweden. Vote for McCain, if you want to get what you deserve.

Hey Dem Yanks.....just words huh? What part of "redistribution of wealth" do you not understand you freakin' socialist wonk? Since you probably don't pay taxes, earn a wage or contribute to our economy anyway, this whole redistribution of wealth idea probably sounds pretty sweet to you. Waaaaaah, Uncle Sam, change my diaper, and fluff my pillow and get me some more cheetos and cigarettes and tune my big screen TV to Oprah, waaaaah.......

I am amazed at the obsession about "socialism" on this site and others. Redistribution of wealth is what free societies live from, and the rich earn because of the stability allowed by the said redistribution. Switzerland is a fullfleged capitalist nation, and yet wealth is generously redistributed, differently from canton to canton, but it is vital. People are very well paid, everyone is health insured (its a private/state system), taxes are relatively low, and you get a month vacation...
But most of the ignoramuses here, forever stuck in a small mental loop, don't get it. and immediately bark "socialism" . # 2 even hallucinates that he/she has read enough Marx to understand a Marxian doctrine, Texas up there just rants away idiotically because he's off his meds, Former US Resident is suffering from paranoia and advocates tax evasion,... All that an more from the LF.... why?

Why? Really why?

Because a black man is winning this election and, o horror, he makes a bunch of white, dendride-challenfged clods feel inferior. What a sad bunch you are, indecent and disgraceful.

Over 11,000,000 middle class tax payers disappeared last year went somewhere. But it wasn't down in income. Tip O' Neil said, " When you steal from Peter to pay Paul you get the admiration and vote from Paul." If you make less than someone else and all it takes is a vote to increase your income, why not? Where is the path of least resistance? Everyone is beating the drums about the graft and pork on the bridge to nowhere ( agree). Where is the same contempt for the cost overruns and corruption for the Big Dig? Oh yeah, that was Mitt's doing right?

Don't drink the Kool-Aid. Come on people. I'm ashamed that people in this country are not smart enough to see past obama's empty rhetoric.

Um, thanks for that explanation, Harvard Law Professor.
But I heard it with my VERY OWN EARS...
Obama said "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH" together, almost in the same breath. So while he later says "REDISTRIBUTIVE change" (which could indeed mean voting, etc.) there's still the very glaring fact that he said "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH."
Sucks to be them now, huh? The media always buried it if it was in print or unrecorded. But now suddenly, when people hear it for themselves, they understand it plainly. Stop using DOUBLESPEAK!
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This story--and the outlandish response to it--is nothing but a scare tactic which is (a) unfounded and (b) unimaginative. Sorry, folks, but your attempts to portray Obama as something fundamentally unAmerican, undemocratic, or subversive aren't holding water with the majority of Americans--perhaps because the insinuations are so ridiculous, or maybe it's that the American people are a little smarter than that.

Obama's above such divisiveness. The only thing frightening in this story is the extremity of the hate expressed by those whose guy just might not win next week.

All government involves redistributing wealth and power, because sometimes free markets fail. Think national defense, child labor, Enron and AIG, mercury poisoning, drug dealing, whatever. Get a grip

705: TALLEYRAND

See you are doing nothing more than repeating everything you hear. The Democrats have you believing that your life has been miserable for 8 years. They manipulate you, they deceive you. If you actually had a brain and used it, you would be arguing with us, not against us. The democrats have done nothing more but destroy this economy for elections purposes and blame Bush for all of it. If you had acutally paid attention the last two years before the democrats obtained majority in senate. Everything that has gone wrong with this econmony in the last 2 years is caused by the democrats, they have demolished the system and made people like you believe that the Bush administration caused all of this, when its the other way around. They are currupting the system by manipulating you to vote for them. They are frauds, they are phoneys and they care only about themselves, not you. They want nothing more than to controll every aspect of the american peoples lives. Name one thing for yourself during the last 8 years that Bush did that mad you life a living hell, I bet none of you can come up with one thing.

I am neither Left or Right, I am American. My family came here in 1740. Obama was born in Kenya and presented a forged birth certificate. I served America and America served me. Obama has done nothing for America and America has done everything for him, although it was mostly from the unlawful. It is no wonder the media and hollywood types support him, they are after all believers in communism and many are or have been card carrying members.

Both candidates want to start to buy up bad mortgages and renegotiate the principle owed so the people that are 3-4 months behind will end up with a nice little windfall. This will perpetuate into the system and other people will also stop their mortgages to get a piece of this new free pie. We must not reward bad behavior and let the free markets work the problems out on their own.

Both candidates want to start to buy up bad mortgages and renegotiate the principle owed so the people that are 3-4 months behind will end up with a nice little windfall. This will perpetuate into the system and other people will also stop their mortgages to get a piece of this new free pie. We must not reward bad behavior and Let the free markets work the problems out on their own.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

Welcome to the world of Obama!!!

comment 710: Talleyrand

See there you go again. Just because democrats and media say, if Obama loses its about racism, you think thats whats it about. Look around you, where is all the racism coming from, you and the democrats everytime you bring it up. Oh but I know, all we see is a black man, nope can't vote for him, No its not about his policies or his radicalism, or his preacher that does nothing but spew out hate whitey, hate jews, anti-americanism hatred, oh know its not that. Or the fact the he is friends with Bill Ayers. You all are in denial. None of you know anything about Obama, nor do you even care, and thats the real danger here. Its like your willing to let this babys it your kids, when you know nothing about him except for the fact that he speaks well, he seems smart. You know nothing about this man. Thats the point everyone on here is trying to make to you people.

Did any of you actually listen to any of the broadcast? The entire discussion presumed that everyone in the discussion acknowledged that government action is unavoidably redistributive–they’re not talking about taking your hard-earned money, they’re discussing education, Medicaire, and the details of administrative governance. In the section that immediately follows the Drudged excerpts, the example brought up by the other panelist is the exemption in Medicaire payments from paying for an abortion. Such policy decisions are redistributive, as the panelist points out; the question was what role the courts should play in making them.

“BANDES: Let me give you an example, which is that the court considers whether it’s OK to take a program, a federal Medicare program that provides — you know, that recompenses people by insurance for every medical procedure they can have except abortion. And it upholds that –

OBAMA: Right.

BANDES: — and says we can except abortion from that. Well, that’s a decision about what kinds of subsidies we’re willing to uphold and what we’re not.

OBAMA: Although, typically, I mean, the court can certainly be more or less generous in interpreting actions and initiatives that are taken by the legislature, but in the example of, for example, funding of abortions or Medicare and Medicaid, the court’s not initiating those funding streams. I mean, essentially what the court is saying is, at some point, OK, this is a legitimate prohibition or this is not. And I think those are very important battles that have to be fought, and they do have a distributive aspect to them. “

Change....that is all we will have left in our pockets if this socialist gets elected!

Socialist... Muslim... Terrorist... This is the best you can do?!?!

It all reeks of Republican desperation. I love the smell of Republican desperation, especially in the morning. It reminds me of victory.

Actually, the top 5% of the population in terms of earnings are already paying 95% of the collected income taxes. Meaning, that 95% of the population are paying only 5% of the collected taxes.

McCain and his few remaining supporters are desperate. The Socialism label is something that the wealthy pin on politicians who they think might raise their taxes. You want to talk wealth redistribution--the Republican leaders have been the experts. During the Bush years there has been a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the rich, culminating with this 700 billion dollar bail out. Spare me the socialism crap--the desperation reeks.

More than any other country, the United States welcomes immigrants of all backgrounds and nationalities. Millions of illegal aliens move among us, unable or unwilling to follow legal avenues to citizenship.

Meanwhile, 90 miles to the south of Florida is a socialist state on a tropical island, and in the past 50 years, substantially no one has moved there while 2 million people (20% of them) have risked their lives trying to leave. What is the difference between the United States and Cuba, and how quickly can Obama eliminate it?

Yawn. Goodbye, McCain and goodbye Palin.

Obama/Biden 08
country first (not Big Oil)

I love my communist European products:
BMW, Mercedes, Rover
Prada, D&G, Armani
Moet & Chandon, Veuve Cliquot, Foie Grass
Add a little visit to Buckingham Palace for balance, I want to see QE II's state bought diamonds, they are a girl's best friend, aren't they?

I also love to drive my German car on the state built highways and damn you if you charge me a toll! I'll call you a commie!

The reason the DNC will not release Obamers birth certificate is his fathers name is not listed.

We don't have socialism now? We live in a damn welfare state with moneys going to support big business. We just passed a spending bill totaling $670 billion with 24 billion earmarked for the auto industry.

As I suspected all along, and has become increasingly clear, Obama is the Manchurian Candidate, and Vladimir Putin is his controller. (Or is that comptroller? No, comptrollers are not needed in communist countries, just controllers.) There can be no doubt that the recent stock market slide has been engineered by Obama's socialist hedge fund friends at the direction of their Russian paymasters in order to discredit the last eight years of Republican economic and tax policies in an effort to ensure the Messiah's election. As is often the case with the inept socialists, the hedgies took it to far and may end up destroying the Russian economy as well!

The following quote from a 2000 interview says it all about the aspiring socialist-in-chief:

“I think it's to some degree because we feel, obviously, that wealthy people can afford more. We have over the years, beginning with John F. Kennedy, reduced some of those marginal tax rates to make them less onerous.

But I believe that when you really look at the tax code today, the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don't pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans, when the account and payroll taxes, sales taxes, mortgage pay -- all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they -- you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view.”

Angela Lansbury has endorsed Barack Obama. That only confirms my suspicions.

If McCain = Bush then Obama = Reverend Wright and Ayers

Who let all the whackos out of their cages to throw poop on everybody? Grow up!

Will the real Joe McCarthy please stand up?

For God sakes people, you are being McCarthy with these accusations of socialism and communism. What is next some republican congresswoman will want to have the media or special investigator see who is for against America in congress... Oh never mind.

Republicans, wrong for this country, wrong again.

I'm recalling how angry I felt in 2000 when the republicans stole the election. I can't wait for sound of the broom sweeping the bullsh*t outta the stinkin barn you've left us with. Bye-bye republicans. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Eight years of the same ol' same old. A phrase which I hate. To phrase Dave Matthews, "Everybody Wake Up". Trickle down economics has it's limits. When you tack on billions from "shock and awe, give corporations free reign, what do you expect? And of course the never ending empty slogans this administration has tried to sell us (mission accomplished et al). Yeah right. I can't wait to vote. Bush he never told the American people the truth, ran the most secretive administration since Nixon, and expanded the Federal deficit even more than his father. Why do you think this is right for our country? I gave him the benefit of the doubt in 2000 but he quickly went back on his pledge in the Gore/Bush debate that "we" will not engage in nation building....

Eight years of the same ol' same old. A phrase which I hate. To phrase Dave Matthews, "Everybody Wake Up". Trickle down economics has it's limits. When you tack on billions from "shock and awe, give corporations free reign, what do you expect? And of course the never ending empty slogans this administration has tried to sell us (mission accomplished et al). Yeah right. I can't wait to vote. Bush he never told the American people the truth, ran the most secretive administration since Nixon, and expanded the Federal deficit even more than his father. Why do you think this is right for our country? I gave him the benefit of the doubt in 2000 but he quickly went back on his pledge in the Gore/Bush debate that "we" will not engage in nation building....

McCain is wrong, Obama wasn't talking about Robin Hood like redistribution of wealth.

Obama was talking about scrapping our Constitution and its defense of Liberty and defense of the Individual against tyranny. Obama wants to replace it with an insidious UN "Rights & Responsibilities" type document that makes every person live or die at the whim of the state. You become entitled to "positive rights," those entitlements which are bestowed upon you by the government. You have no "negative rights" in other words protection against the government oppressing you.

That's they way it was done for a thousand years--you were a subject of the King, and if you enjoyed his favor, he granted you "rights" and likewise took them away at his whim--exactly like the UN and the European countries.

I say to He who would be king, Dear Leader Obama: America's founders KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING in rejecting royal whim as a basis for people's entitlements, and instead recognizing in the Declaration of Independence that our rights are inalienable, they protect us from the government, and entitle us to precisely nothing but Liberty and Justice.

Nothing more clearly reveals that Mr. Obama is not a patriot, but instead is a collectivist and statist. McCain's blather about "redistribution of wealth" makes this neo-monarch sound like another run-of-the-mill liberal. He is a scholar and supporter of the rejected ways of a thousand years of serfdom, not just a tax and spend dingbat.

All taxes are redistribution of wealth.
ALL TAXES ARE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Get it, morons? Obama said to alter how it is redistributed by a few % but every President ever has redistributed it. Bush just redistributed a big chunk to failed companies. McCain wants to redistribute it to tax cheats like Joe the Plumber.

David Gergen noted on CNN this evening that Ronald Reagan's Earned Income Credit was a redistribution...taxing the wealthy to assist the poor. Guess Reagan was a socialist/communist, too.

Yeah I agree, this whole re-distribution of wealth thing has to end. I want the fat cats to 'pay their share'. My precious tax dollars supporting Wall Street??? I pay more in taxes than the owner of the company I work for. Indeed, my boss's $12,000,000 house generates less property taxes than my tiny condo in SF, CA. Check it out he is grandfathered in at 1972 tax rates, so common in California. The wealth we have been redistributing is to the upper 1% of America. Too bad you losers can't see the forest for the trees. Obama/Biden 08.

Whenever a man tells you that he had earned his money through hard labor, ask him "whose". All of "our own" income came in part from work and investments done by others (roads, schools, public health, and other people's labor).,although we like to pretend that ALL of it came SOLELY from our own hard work.

Taxes - which are by definition redistribution of income - recognize that fact.

In this country we make decisions about how we tax through a legal process that includes the Constitution. That is how we decided to redistribute wealth in the early 1900s: the 16th Amendment to the Constitution.

I guess I should not be surprised at the level of unreasoned passion when we discover - horrors! - that a Presidential candidate has advocated using constitutional methods to consider, say, establishing health care as a basic right.

If we are going to have that kind of fight - considering what basic rights should be guaranteed by the government - I can't think of a sounder manner to have that national debate than using the process sanctioned in the US Constitution.

John McCain wants to talk about redistribution of wealth? Well then lets talk about the Bush-McCain economics which created the largest redistribution of wealth in modern times—slanted towards the wealthiest individuals?

The rank fear and bone-deep ignorance reflected in most of these comments is simply astounding. Truly, you people do not deserve the president you are about to get.

Hint: "Socialism" is a dead label that means less than nothing to the larger electorate and is useful only as a term to scare other scaredy-cats with. BO's policies are no more "socialist" than McCain's, unless you think a tax policy that favors the middle class over the wealthy is "socialist." Redistribution of wealth? It's called "income tax." Ironically, those posters yelling the loudest stand to benefit the most, but they've been brainwashed by decades of neo-con-think.

Oh, and the 2001 interview cited above? BO is actually taking the more conservative position on the much narrower historical question of court actions during the Civil Rights era, but I guess that's too much for some of you to wrap your head around.

Let me reiterate: There are valid, cogent reasons not to vote for Obama, if that's your thing. That he's a "socialist" (or a communist or a Muslim or black nationalist or the reincarnation of Elvis) is not one of them. If you feel you "don't know who he is," you *could* read the two books Obama wrote in which he goes over his entire life and political beliefs. If you still disagree with him then, don't vote for him. But I guess it's easier to listen to Rush and Hannity and let them do your thinking for you.

Again, with every word, you betray your fear and your ignorance. America is, at the moment, capable of better than you.

For all you wingnuts out there, I hope you realize that Bush has presided over a series of actions that would make the French blush. Add in the expanded powers of the federal government for anti-terrorism, and you are talking about an unprecedented increase in federal government control over our lives. If Obama or Clinton had done half the stuff that Bush has, the conservatives would be hysterical. But because it was a GOP prez who did it, then everything is ok. Absolutely nutty. And before you start shreaking "socialist!" at Obama, I suggest you take a good hard look at what goodies you get from the federal government. "Redistribution" doesn't mean welfare and handouts, it means using tax dollars and leadership to get things done that benefit us all. Like having a school system? Police? Fire dept? How about a strong military? Maybe even a healthcare system where half your premiums don't go towards advertising? Guaranteed government loans for college? Everyone hates taxes until you start taking things away, then they realize how much they rely upon it. This has been the genius of the GOP. Decry spending enough to cut taxes, and when the time comes to cut spending, watch the political courage and leadership leak down the inside of their leg. Obama may not be the messiah, but at least he seems like an honest broker. like McCain did before he won the primary, and became a typical GOP SOB

I don't expect the campaign of the man who opposed an MLK holiday to understand anything about civil rights and rectifying the wrongs imposed on a group of people for years. McCain had better back up because he has no idea what he's talking about here.

For those crying against Obama, what's the alternative? McCain?

- The guy who proposed a very socilaistic idea of taking $300 billion from the bailout and buying up people's bad mortgages so they can renegotiate them at their currently lower value?
- The guy who has chosen arguably the worst, most polarizing running mate in the history of modern elections who pretty much wants to throw Science under the bus at every convienent turn when it disagrees with her world view?
- The guy who can't even run his own damn campaign very effectively?
- The guy who derided Rove style negative campaigning in 2000, but who is now embracing it full-throttle just for the sake of winning?
- The guy who "suspended" his campaign to go work on the bailout when he barely had any say in the matter other than voting for or against it when it came to the Senate floor?

Obama does not strike me as a stupid man. If he even comes close to doing a large part of the far left-wing socialistic economic policies some of you clain he will, he will have very little chance of getting re-elected in 4 years if he wins this election next week. His best chance of staying popular once he gets in is to embrace a similar mantra to how Clinton governed in the 90's.

Personally, I'll take my chances with the two guys who have JD Law degrees from Harvard and Syracuse over "bottom 5" McCain and "5 colleges in 6 years" Palin any day of the week..

For everyone who loves the labels, think about "fascism." Consolidating corporate and political power into fewer hands, the theory "might is right," radical nationalism, intolerance for minorities, demonizing any who disagree. Back off with the labels.

#700 Ready for the 4th,
You have just ran off a whole lot of babble. The reasons you are voting for Obama is straight out of a highschool debate team, however you sent the question right back to me. Why am I voting for McCain.

In very simple terms HE'S NOT A MARXIST. Have you notice that most conservatives on this blog has not defended McCain. Hell most probably don't even like him. I am not a McCain fan by no means whatsoever, but I don't want Baby Hugo Chavez (BHO) running this country.

Look I am no fool, America already has some socialist principles installed into our government however I am not willing to vote for a person that actually governs buy it. Exactly what kind of person are we electing here that whenever the media or person ask a tough question they are either crushed or cut off from access.

More and more this is beginning to look like Castro in 59.

" I have had enough of Obama and his lies and the people who lie for him. We've had here 18 months of propaganda, class warfare, intimidation, race baiting. We are all supposed to suspend our intelligence and buy into this guy as some kind of redemptive figure. He preaches socialism; he preaches envy; he preaches racism; he tears down America and our society. He tears down the American people. He then claims to represent the middle class when the middle class is his target. Make no mistake about this, the middle class is his target. How? Because he wants to totally control their lives and he wants, based on these tapes, he wants the Supreme Court to do it, and if they won't do it, he wants to do it legislatively. Mark Steyn had another great line in a piece at National Review Online Friday or Saturday, I forget which. He said, you know, Jack Kennedy went out there in his inaugural address and he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Today that's become, "Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it."

We really have a seminal election here. We are going to find out just where the American people are on this whole ideological question of the role of government in people's lives. If enough Americans are going to show up and vote because they believe that because they are Americans they are entitled to the federal government solving their problems, providing their income and their economic security, then we're in big trouble. We are in huge trouble. Now, I don't think the argument is quite that simple for the very frustrating reason that our campaign has not contrasted our ideological point of view with Obama's. In fact, Pete Wehner, my old buddy who worked with Karl Rove in the White House, has now got a piece in the Washington Post today, he said, this notion here that conservatism is dead is silly. If you look at Obama since the Democrat convention, he's tacked right. Look, he's talking tax cuts! He's lying about it, but he's talking tax cuts. He's talking Second Amendment. He is trying to make sure everybody understands he's not who he is. You win elections in this country tacking to the right. I don't care who you are. We still have the intellectualoids and the elites our side saying that way of thinking is over. They were on television all day yesterday saying that in the discussion areas of various Sunday morning TV shows.


Folks, it is time here for some truth and some urgency. This whole notion that redistributing wealth is a distraction, is not a distraction, it's the core. It is the very core of this election. And I, for one, am fed up with Obama and his liars telling us what to think, spending hundreds of millions of dollars in propaganda snippets which they call campaign commercials. We don't need to be told who we are. We don't need to be told what's relevant, how to think, and what's a distraction. When a candidate proposes to use the power of government to steal money from tens of millions of citizens to give to other citizens who have not earned it, it's socialism. We're not supposed to mention that. Socialism, that's a distraction. We're not supposed to say the word Marxist. It's not productive. So we're being told we can't be truthful. Why? Because it would hurt The Messiah. Obama said it. He believes this. He taught this. Obama organized around it. When you hear the excerpts of this tape from 2001, you will know that this is who he is. He is an unaccomplished socialist ideologue. He's a demagogue as well, a charismatic demagogue.

He will have the power to destroy our economic system if given the chance, and if he gets 60 votes in the Senate, and he's going to do so with a smile, with platitudes about fairness and screwing the rich and all the usual socialist rhetoric. And if he gets the chance, he's going to shut down those who object to it. Fairness Doctrine will be on its way, Democrats in Congress will propose it, he will not veto it, even though he has said he doesn't agree with the Fairness Doctrine. He's already attacking Fox News on a regular basis, every chance he gets he attacks Fox News. His flunkies are already talking about eliminating talk radio, and the Drive-Bys are all for that, by the way, make no mistake. The Drive-Bys don't like the competition the New Media has provided. I think one of the reasons the Drive-Bys are blindly supporting Obama -- I don't know how blindly they are, but they would love for us to be shut down, folks, they would love to return to the days of their monopoly.

So there's a lot at stake here. His campaign, Obama's campaign has tried to unleash federal prosecutors, a private group, against a private group that opposes him. And if you think the economy is bad today, you wait, you wait for his massive tax increases on the middle class, which is going to happen in 2010, and he doesn't have to do anything, when the Bush tax cuts expire. There are going to be massive tax increases on your employer. You think 6% unemployment is high now? If he gets 60 seats in the Senate and Pelosi does her magic in the House, there is no Republican opposition anywhere, we're back up to 12% unemployment just as we were during the Jimmy Carter years. You think the financial markets are a mess today, you wait and see what happens to them when they are taxed beyond their ability to pay, what happens to mortgages and bank accounts, and when the economy comes crashing down, who do you think Obama will blame, what do you think he'll do? The ground has already been set for massive nationalization, including your pension plans. We talked about it last week.

When he crashes the economy, it will be time for another crisis measure, and that will be nationalizing everything because the first attempt didn't quite get it right. I saw a report on Fox this morning, I have not seen it anywhere else; I'm looking. They had some Republican congressman on from somewhere. There's a report out there that the banks who are getting some of this bailout money are using the money for bonuses for their executives, or want to. I haven't seen it other than it was reported on Fox today. Your pension plan's going to be taken, your 401(k) is going to be destroyed, the government is going to take that over. We had that for you last week. If you think this is just another election, if you think Obama's just like a centrist Democrat and if you think we can take a chance with such a man on the basis of change, then you're living in a dream world.

-RUSH LIMBAUGH 10/27/080-

McCain at this point will do and say anything to get elected. How he can actaully say the economy will be worse under Obama and the Democrats is beyond me.
Look over the past 28 years. 8 years of Reaganomics which was a bust. Ask any farmer in the midwest who lost his or her farm. Then we had George Bush the father and "I will not raise taxes." Guess what he did? The we had Bill Clinton - a balanced budget and a surplus by the time he left office. Now Bush number 2 comes in, the surplus is gone within about 3 years and we are deeper and deeper in debt and spending more money to support his war and failed policies. So who is better to handle the economy. Certainly not McCain.

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson

JKC - Your obviously too young to remmber life before Reagan but it sucked. Yes GW Bush raised taxes but that was becasue he had worked out a deal with the Dems then they hung him on it. As for Bill Clinton more money was lost in the tech bubble burst than has been lost so far in this down cyle. I have to say that Clinton and BushW. have been aweful pPresidents. Terrible. Now anything is possible- i mean Bush ogt elected tqice, so Obama could get in but at what price? The guy is real trouble- just look at his pals- Rezko in particular.

When I ask those who are voting for Obama, why? They come back with “well he isn’t Bush”. If you don’t do the homework on both candidates, you will never know if you made the right choice for our country until it is too late. Protect our freedom and our money, vote for prosperity. Obama couldn’t be an FBI agent because of his past relationships, now that is scary. The whole world is in a crisis not just us. Our money will no longer be accepted out there because someone else is telling you it is no good. People in other countries are saying tourists in their country can not get money out of the ATMs. Redistribute our money, what money. For those that think the Bush Administration was the cause of the crisis, think again. Barney Franks, Dodd and other Demarcates have been in control of Congress, look to

The so-called conservatives never see what so-called Republicans have done, do, and will do. I wonder if when they are living on the street if they will accept hand outs. I'll bet none of them will refuse their Social Security or Medicare payments ( or subsidized public college tuition ) when it comes time "sit on their butts all day" and live of of my and future generations hard work and taxes. Middle class starts at around $6400 do if they are having a harder time what do you think Wall-Mart cashiers have to deal with. The biggest mystery to me is why folks that are actually poor identify with the rich corperation party.

it is funny that one here sees the irony. They BOTH voted to redistribute our wealth to teh bankers who, through preditory lending, caused the market situation we have here. So all you rabid McCain and Obama supporters, pull your heads out. Just because one of them talks about change, you can bet that the staus quo will not be changed because the special interests are teh ones paying for both of their campaigns. So people, wake up and see that this dem vs repub stuff is a creation and perpetuation created by the media. we have not had a real independent thinker in the white house in over 50 years.

You Obama supporters are not getting it through your thick skulls. Your ingorance is going to lead to a socialist nation, but you are going to do without even realizing it because you are misled by elitism, by the media, you are all nieve. You think because Mccain policies are just like Bush's your life is going to be horrible, you are going to be miserable, life is going to suck. Answer yourself one question, in the last eight years what has Bush done to make your life a living hell? None of you can answer that question honeslty, and what I mean by that is I want your thoughts, not the media's, not the democrats, just your thoughts. Democrats have done a good job manipulating you people, I'll give them that.

If everyone took a look at what has happened recently in our economy and if they decided to trace how Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae got started... Those 2 entities began when Jimmy Carter was president. With great intentions, he believed that if we could offer people an opportunity to own homes(people that couldn't qualify otherwise) then that would make America seem successful. Again, it was with all great intentions. The reason I speak on this particular subject is because, everyone wants to put specific blame or guilt onto someone else. This bailout bill was absolutely necessary and really had nothing to do with these 2 candidates, nor did it have anything to do with George W. Bush. He did was absolutely necessary to save our crippling economy from a major meltdown. As far as the topic at hand, McCain has earned my vote. I don't believe socialism, communism or any other -ism other than, capitalism and free enterprise is what made this country great and will continue to make it thrive. I am not saying the McCain is going to solve my problems, but if America, Amer-I-CANS decide to get their asses off the pavement and decide to fight for their beliefs and study the great history of our nation in comparison to what it is today, then I believe our Fore Fathers would be ashamed of what we have become and what they gave their fortunes and lives for when we were created. Wake up America, let's take our great country back from selfish politicians.

It i quite ironic how most of the posters on this msg board are probably in the middle class if not below it. You are the ones that are complaining about the cost of tuition, the cost of health care, etc. Do you realize that the government does currently give schools money and gives money to the health care system so that middle class people like you all can afford at least some of these things which are historically reserved for the rich? Yet the american public education system and health care system is still one of the worst in the civilized world. This is because americans like yourselves think that capitalism, by itself, will work. If there was no government intervention in terms of redistribution, none of you people would be able to afford education or any sort of health care and there would not even be a middle class.

IF the average American thinks that the IRS is BAD NOW and the most RUTHLESS COLLECTION AGENCY now...then IF Obama gets in their NITEMARE will start AND ALL the "Joe the Plumbers" will be AUDITED and CRUTINIZED soooo badly so that starting a business and making money would be IMPOSSIBLE unless the do not report Income and cash etc etc.

SO GET THIS MESSAGE TO MC CAIN TO DELIVER AND MAYBE IT WOULD HELP

KG Says: "Folks calling Obama a socialist are brainwashed by FOXNEWS and TALK RADIO. "

What do you call it then? Please explain it to us! His ideas come right from the marxist handbook!

He is nothing but a SOCIALIST!!!!!!