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Obama finds support in born-again community

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor October 27, 2008 12:38 PM

Barack Obama appears to be making inroads among a group that has been a tough sell for Democrats -- born-again and evangelical Christians.
To solidify and increase those gains in the campaign's final week, the liberal-leaning Matthew 25 Network announced today it will air a final round of radio ads on Christian radio stations in the battleground states of Michigan, Colorado, Ohio, Missouri, Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina.


One spot features Obama talking about becoming a Christian as an adult -- "I submitted myself to his will," he says -- and about his faith as the source of his hope.


Another features Doug Kmiec, a Catholic legal scholar and former Reagan legal counsel, talking about abortion. "Can you be pro-life and vote for Obama? Unequivocally yes," Kmiec says. He adds that instead of focusing on Roe v. Wade, voters should look at Obama's pledge to increase prenatal care and take other steps to dramatically reduce the number of abortions.

The Barna Group says that Obama is statistically tied with Republican John McCain among born-again Christians -- 45 percent for McCain, 43 percent for Obama -- while President Bush won 62 percent of that vote in 2004.

According to its poll released Oct. 22, McCain leads among older voters, but Obama is leading 51 percent to 39 percent among born-again Christians in their 20s and 30s.

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THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE!!!!! NO BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA/HUGO CHAVEZ

Posted by George H October 27, 08 12:44 PM
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I am born again and I am voting for Obama. I know several others who are as well.

Posted by Four Darlings October 27, 08 12:56 PM
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Hey Geroge H, I am a 63-year old born-again, and I'm voting for Obama!

Posted by nano October 27, 08 01:09 PM
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And I'm a 50 year old Orthodox Christian and proudly voting for Obama!

Posted by Mom of Four October 27, 08 01:29 PM
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George H - I'm born again and many people from my church are voting Obama. Not sure where you're getting your information...

Posted by Paula October 27, 08 01:34 PM
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Better get used to it George, Barack Hussein Obama is our next president, and he will be a president for all Americans, including you.

Posted by B. Strouse October 27, 08 01:37 PM
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It doesn't sound like any of you folks read your Bible very much ...

Posted by Robert Mitchell October 27, 08 02:20 PM
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I'm pro-life. I'm a devout Catholic. I read the bible every day. And I fully support Barack Hussein Obama -- because anyone who does read the bible can clearly see that the positions Obama espouses are more in line with the gospel teaching of love, peace, charity and compassion.

Obama is by no means perfect...but from a gospel perspective, he's the best candidate in the race.

Posted by ReyV October 27, 08 03:21 PM
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Obama is a true Christian, the christianity of love and giving. He is more true to such faith than the awful McCains with their shady pasts and negative, poisonous personal attacks. Obama is a good man and will be a good president.

Posted by George Dean October 27, 08 03:37 PM
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Obama tries to be like Christ. That's why people mock him with The One or The Messiah stuff. McCain has a history of disrespecting Christianity. Only for this political season has he flip-flopped to get some votes.

Posted by Obama4Christ October 27, 08 04:02 PM
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I am a Catholic and I have already voted for Obama. The abortion issue is a smoke screen to hide certain prejudices. America is now giving real meaning to the declaration of One Nation under God.

Posted by Frank October 27, 08 04:25 PM
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I don't know about born-agains but muslim terrorists support McCain.

“Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” read a commentary on a password-protected Islamist Web site that is closely linked to Al Qaeda and often disseminates the group’s propaganda.

An American president who keeps troops in Iraq indefinitely, fulminates about Islamic terrorism, inclines toward military solutions and antagonizes other nations is an excellent recruiting tool. In contrast, an African-American president with a Muslim grandfather and a penchant for building bridges rather than blowing them up would give Al Qaeda recruiters fits.

Posted by McSmearmonger October 27, 08 06:30 PM
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Wow, these comments are so awesome! How dare George H act like he has an Sprint PCS direct line to God and knows who is or isn't a Christian? I'm not that religious (though believe in God) and it makes me feel good to know that not all hardcore religious people are close minded pawns of the republican party.

One thing I remember from my childhood bible stories is the verse "By his works ye shall know him"...let's elect someone who focuses on how we can all come together vs. fight against each other. Thanks for giving me a little bit more faith in religion you guys!

Posted by Loving Sensible Christians October 28, 08 08:18 AM
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The Bible says even "the elect" will be deceived.
So, you Christians that are supporting Obama you might pray that God remove the deception from your eyes. You'll eventually see the TRUTH. I thank God I'm not under that deception.

Posted by Rhonda October 28, 08 10:05 AM
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The Bible says all kinds of stupid garbage. I think thou shall not kill is one and McCain bombed civilians.

Posted by Kill October 28, 08 11:18 AM
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Matthew 25 is "a wolf in sheeps clothing" and so is Obama. How could a Christian vote for Obama? Do your homework!

Posted by DB October 28, 08 02:36 PM
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I think true Believers, Christians, should really really research this election. Find out what the candidates truly stand for. There are a some internet sites you can go to to compare what they stand for, that aren't one sided. Please, research. We have access to more information in this election then any other time in history, so use it.

Posted by Sheila October 28, 08 03:17 PM
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Iam a born again christian and i am proudly voting for Barack Obama ! No man can stop abortion, homosexuals, drugs, prostitution or any other sin. Only God can ! And as long as man have free will the devil will still walk this earth. George if you want these things stop pray to God and don't look for man to do God's job. The President is here to run the country not to be your savior.

Posted by PJC October 28, 08 04:24 PM
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I'm born again, evangelical, a youth pastor, a Bible scholar, pro-life and a career missionary in a pretty difficult country.
I can certainly respect someone who votes for McCain, if they vote on a particular principle. I vote on the principle of help for the needy. Obama has more in line with Christ's call to care for the poor.
I've done my homework on McCain with an open mind, and I will vote for Obama with a clear conscience. I wish my Christian brethren would consider Obama more objectively, and by how his actions line up with the tenets of Christ. Why else is a family of evangilical missionaries like ours voting Obama?
Finally, as one who has served in Muslim areas I assure you: Obama is no Muslim.

Posted by Davis October 28, 08 05:46 PM
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Obama is certainly no savor to anyone. His vow to protect a women's right for an abortion is a formal act against the teachings of Christ.. No human being has the right to take a human life by choice. To not agree with this and call yourself Christian is a contradiction. This is willfull taking of life while innocent people killed during War is not intended. Why is it so hard to understand that you have to respect life before you can address any other issue. How much money the poor have does not cut it. Christ himself lived a poor mans life.

Posted by John October 28, 08 10:14 PM
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Born and raised Catholic and yes pro-life, (even after birth, where most Republicans drop out on this issue).

Posted by laura October 29, 08 02:00 AM
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Ah, George, Rhonda, God loves us all. You should start loving your neighbor now, we are all God's children and we will be spending eternity together. Yes, you, me, Obama. Remember Jesus Christ asked only that we love one another, as he has loved us.

Posted by laura October 29, 08 02:15 AM
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post number 14 - Rhonda

as most anti-Obama people do, who quote the bible...you misquoted...
what a fine 'evangelical' you are.
I suggest you read that passage, slowly.

Posted by miriam October 29, 08 11:04 AM
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I am an evangelical Christian. I have been raised in the Christian and Missionary Alliance.

And I will be voting for Obama!

Evangelicals have had enough of the hate and fear mongering that some of our leaders espouse. We believe in helping the poor and protecting the environment. We don't want to hate intellectuals, Muslims, or gays.

Posted by Josh T. October 29, 08 01:49 PM
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laura,
you are correct that God loves us all, that is why He sent His son, Jesus Christ. unfortunately not all will be spending in eternity together. everybody will be spending eternity somewhere, either heaven or hell. Jesus did ask us to love one another and that we will be known by our love, but our love for one another does not assure us a place in heaven. A place in heaven is assured only for those who believe in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and if those will confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord. My question to you is: have you turned from your eveil ways and started to followe Jesus Christ?

Posted by Bob October 29, 08 01:49 PM
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how can a christian vote for obama, life begins at conception. once that sperm gets in the female egg that is when life starts! there are to many character issues for obama to get my vote. please pray for our country.

Posted by james October 29, 08 02:01 PM
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Its not a question of can a born-again christian vote for mr. Obama but is WILL a born christian vote for Mr. Obama ? The bible staates we have to ask for forgivness, so why vote that way knowing you have to repent?

Posted by Pastor October 29, 08 02:48 PM
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I think its a blatant lie. Born Again christians will not support abortion let alone late term partial birth abortions.

I am yet to meet a born again christian even in the black community that supports Obama.


Posted by Vinod October 29, 08 05:28 PM
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Amen Bob!

Posted by Toni W. October 29, 08 10:54 PM
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To #20 John-there are at least 3 Latin American countries where abortion is illegal and they have abysmal human rights records and rampant racism that leads to trampling on human rights and dignity, so though I'm pro-life, I doubt that if the US illegalized abortion today that poverty and waterboarding would decline. They wouldn't. Babies in Iraq are affected by our occupation ,especially since many are born severely deformed because of all the radiation that our bombs are releasing. Should I vote pro-life all the way and allow those iraqi babies to continue suffering? I can't. Nor can I sit and let the Patriot Act continue to turn us into prisoners in our own country.

I personally am not voting for Obama because his pro abortion stance is so radical that I question his sanity. Partial birth abortion is clearly infanticide and the concerns Obama cites for voting against PB ban are already protected by law. Something's not adding up for me. radiated c
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Posted by Mary October 29, 08 11:22 PM
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I am a christian and I support Obama. I am against abortion but I do not think the decision to have an abortion lies on the president. If a woman really want to have an abortion, she will do it weather it is legal or not.
Obama has say that the choice should be made by the woman in accordance with her partner, parents and spiritual advisor.
McCain is not going to overturn abortion in this country, he is not even promising that. I voted for Bush 8 years ago, exactly for these kind of issues, but did he overturned abortion? no! Instead he took us into multiple wars and so will McCain.

Posted by hectavio October 30, 08 12:40 AM
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We all know that Jesus never once mentions abortion in the Gospel/Evangel; so why has that become such a big deal for evangelicals? Yet, we all know that Jesus DOES condemn divorce, saying that putting away one's wife and marrying another (except where the spouse has been unfaithful) is an act of adultery (Mark 10:11-12 and Luke 16:18). So why have so many evangelicals embraced divorced--and subsequently remarried--politicians like Reagan and McCain? As far as we are aware, Obama has never encouraged anyone to get an abortion, nor has he divorced his wife. Could it be that such evangelicals don't really stand for Jesus' family values? If they did, they would be pushing hard for the next President to ban divorce. Of course, Americans (many of whom go to evangelical churches) would never consent to give up their "God-given" right to divorce, and would spurn such a Presidential candidate and the evangelicals that backed him in an instant. Knowing this, the so-called evangelical have figured they might have more traction with the abortion issue, and pretend that Jesus came out against that, conveniently “forgetting” that He actually came out against divorce (so much for taking the Evangel literally!).

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).

And even on the abortion issue, what Republican President--from Reagan to George W.--ever paid more than lip-service to a ban on abortion? Does anyone really think drinking, gambling, divorcing McCain would? And on a related issue close to the hearts of many so-called evangelicals, what ever happened to George W.'s promise to push for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in the 2004 campaign? Well, it turned out Cheney, whose lesbian daughter was his campaign manager, said it should be a states' rights issue instead, and that was the end of any talk by W. about a constitutional amendment. And after the election, when that lesbian daughter had a baby with her lesbian partner, W. said he was confident she would make a good mother! Yet, see how many evangelicals think of him as the best President ever because he says he's born-again. They seem to forget some other words of Jesus:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 7:21).

In sum, I never cease to wonder how many so-called evangelicals avoid turning to the actual words of Jesus. I am reminded of the parable of the Grand Inquisitor in Dostoevsky's _The Brothers Karamazov_ where the Inquisitor asks Jesus why He has returned, since the Church was doing just fine without Him, thank you very much!


Posted by David October 30, 08 07:01 AM
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You do understand that Barrack is for abortion and is for gay marriage. You people calling yourself a christian and voting for Obama. Open a bible, and please rethink your faith.

Posted by John McCain October 30, 08 07:32 AM
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i can understand being upset about abortion it is disturbing( coming from an agnostic) but gay marriage(i am a heterosexual)? What have these people done to deserve such persecution? Being gay is not a "sin", your way of thinking against gays is what you would call a "sin". Open a bible and read into the true messages of peace and love(although i am agnostic I have read the bible, and was taught by Jesuits). Literal translation is of no use to anyone.

Posted by Patrick Griffin October 30, 08 10:32 AM
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As a born again Christian, I refuse to use the blessing God gave (the tongue) to use as a weapon to judge either Obama or McCain. God created both these men and he asks us not to judge or we will be judged. I will continue to believe and pray that God will place the right leader for President in this country. Where that person needs to change, I believe God is able to change hearts. He changed mine. I pray for protection, guidance and God's will to be done for this country and for this world HE created. It all belongs to Him. I pray for both these men of faith. I will not judge. I have heard non-Christians say "Gee, you christians are a violent and judgemental bunch." I do not feel that is following Jesus' foot steps.


Posted by Sharon October 30, 08 11:29 AM
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I must say that the comments listed above are amazing! From the misinterpretation of the Bible verses, which the evalgelicals are referencing, all I am seeing is anger, hate and revulsion. Exactly what I see in the McCain/Palin campaign. Such is not what we need. Try to be a little more compassionate folks! I strongly believe that Jesus would shake his head at "His" followers being so narrow and judgmental! Try to remember that most all wars since time began have been due to religion and religious persecution. All this infighting among God's followers. Makes you wonder doesn't it? Oh by the way, I am voting for Obama.

Posted by Judith October 30, 08 12:28 PM
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barack goes thro so much hypocritical vitriol by persons purporting to be christians. their narrow approach to issues makes one question their intentions. they distort the truth,they are not any more christian,than the rest ...God is the judge. vote then let God bless your work of voting.

Posted by george Dulo October 30, 08 01:57 PM
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Anyone can interpret the bible to fit his/her way of thinking...thus birthing several different religions under the Christian umbrella. I can't judge Mr. Obama but his stance on abortion and homosexuality are crystal clear. Sure, the bible tells us to hate the sin but love the sinner. It is also clear on murder and homosexuality calling the latter an abomination. If we compromise just one thing with Christ, it will eventually become a easier to compromise our Christian morals in the long run. Being a Christian means going against the grain and popularity of this evil world. Open ur eyes and ears my friends. Not one MAN has all the answers to this country's problems. We need to put our HOPE in Jesus not in Man. I love you all.
God Bless.

country's problems

Posted by Nicole Villanueva October 30, 08 02:44 PM
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Davis (#19), what if Barack Obama (or any other candidate for public office) WERE a Muslim and had all of the same policy positions as he currently holds? Would that disqualify him from our country's highest public office, considering our Constitution required no religious test for officeholders? Are Muslims automatically "less" American than Christians? This is what bothered me about the video from a McCain town hall meeting, where one of the participants said Obama was a Muslim and McCain quickly corrected her, saying something like: No ma'am, he is a fine family man and a good person, as if being Arab or Muslim is somehow offensive to the idea of being an American.

Posted by Juano October 31, 08 02:23 PM
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Thou shalt not kill. What is war all about? Smokers chose to smoke and smoking kills.. If a woman will die if she gives birth and if her child will be on life support its whole life and if she was raped should she not have a choice as to what will happen with her body? I am not for abortion but I am for choice. Doctors don't have to choose to perform such procedures. We need education and good moral teachings. I am a Christian. We all sin and fall short.. he who has no sin cast the first stone. And I saw the debate where Obama stated that marriage was meant to be a holy union between man and woman. I see his heart of hearts and his desires for our country to be truly Christian. I am a Christian and I am voting for Obama. Just say no to hate.

Posted by pearl October 31, 08 04:11 PM
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More than one way to kill.

A political candidate’s position on abortion has become the de facto litmus test of morality, and of respect for life. However, the data show that economic policies, health care and many other issues may be just as deadly. Consider the matter of health care. For a study of life expectancy in the United States published in PLoS Medicine in 2006, Harvard Professor Christopher Murray analyzed 8 years of census and health statistics data. He found an astonishing 35 year gap - in life expectancy based on county of residence, income, and other social factors. In my home county, Fairfax Virginia, life expectancy is among the top ten in the US ­ about 81 years. Life expectancy in counties at the bottom is only 46 years, shorter than that in many developing countries! This isn’t a new finding - many other studies reported similar results. There are several reasons for such early death, but socioeconomic status and access to health care are the heavyweights. Thus, health care in particular and many other policy differences between the political parties can have as profound an influence on life as abortion. Clearly, the moral justification for voting cannot be based on a single issue.

As a Catholic, I am opposed to abortion and efforts to reduce abortions must continue. However, the pro-life concept must encompass all causes of death, not only abortion. The positions the Democratic Party has held with respect to universal health care, taxation, unemployment, war and torture, all of which have life-or-death consequences, are more consistently pro-life than those of the Republicans. My conscience requires that I vote for Barack Obama, and I will do so with great enthusiasm and hope.

Peter Kaufmann

Posted by Peter Kaufmann October 31, 08 10:45 PM
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I am a born again christian/Pastor. I voted for Obama. I thiink he has better plan for all Americans. His plans also include those who have more basic needs. Jesus Christ would not ignore the needs of those people, His programs show a great understanding of the compassion of Jesus Christ.

Posted by Wilgains Fleuridor November 1, 08 12:42 PM
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Born again into what? Obama doesn't think you have the right to be born even once!!

Check out ChoiceInAmerica.com

Posted by UncleSam November 2, 08 02:00 PM
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For those who are against Civil Unions for gay couples . . . do you likewise think that remarriages shouldn't legally be recognized? Last I checked, Jesus didn't have anything to say about homosexuality, but he had an awful lot to say about divorce and the Bible is pretty clear about remarriage, isn't it? (He had even more to say about passing judgment).

Or would that be too inconvenient for you with Mr. McCain on the GOP ticket this year?

Posted by djdj November 3, 08 03:55 AM
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I like Obama very much and when i wasn't reading my Bible and praying for guidance, would have voted for him..., however after considering that I am KNOWINGLY placing my endorsement on a man who would condone abortion, my conscious would not allow it while still calling myself a Christian. Christians (true ones that is) have a conscious (the holy spirit) which prompts them to repent when they sin. If you don't, then question your born again / saved condition. I don't know one Christian who would get an abortion after they've been born again. Why then would you want to put a gun into the hands of a murderer to slay innocent children?

Posted by Charlie November 5, 08 03:35 AM
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Why must Obama still support a group with Racist Roots?
What I say here is found in books that anyone can find on the Internet (www.amazon.com or www.bn.com) or rare bookstores. Do you realize that many women are supporting a group whose founder spoke highly of the Nazis' practices and teachings in the 1930s and 1940s, and who wrote books with racists wordings and ugly eugenics practices, such as getting rid of those kids who were deformed or had genetic problems?

What group and founder are I talking about? Let me give you some idea what this founder wrote in her books (yes, she is a woman). This female founder refers to people who are epileptics, feeble-minded, blind, deaf, mute, etc. as:

--> "...this dead weight of human waste..." that is "...the terrific cost to the community..."

This female says, "'Constructive' Eugenics...shows us that we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all..."

Lovely, isn't it?

And then she refers to these problem people this way:

--> "Every single case of inherited defect, every malformed child, every congenitally tainted human being brought into this world is of infinite importance to that poor individual; but it is of scarcely less importance to the rest of us and to all of our children who must pay in one way or another for these biological and racial mistakes."

She also said that large families should kill some of their children so as to save "resources" for others.

How about this idea which is similar to the Nazis' propaganda during the 1930s?

--> "On its scientific side, Eugenics suggest the reestablishment of the balance between the fertility of the "fit" and the "unfit." "

In one of her publications, a magazine review, persons sympathetic to the Nazis' practices and even German Nazis themselves wrote articles for her. In other documents, she refers to the supremacy of the white race over the other races. Isn't great that she wrote side-by-side with those Nazis?

What are these books and materials to which I refer?

"The Pivot of Civilization"

"Woman and the New Race"

"The Birth Control Review"

Who is the author of this trash?
Who is this supporter of the Nazi eugenic practices?

MARGARET SANGER
Founder of PLANNED PARENTHOOD

Do people think that Jewish women are blind to Margaret Sanger's promotion of racial eugenics? Let me quote something from her that both she and Planned Parenthood standby:

--> "By education, by persuasion, by appeals to racial ethics and religious motives, the ardent Eugenicist hopes to increase the fertility of the "fit." "

Planned Parenthood refers to her as a Woman of Valor. Do you like that term? Not all of us Jewish women are now blind to what Planned Parenthood is doing to women all over the world. Are you?

AND note also that the Gay / Lesbian Groups ALL support Planned Parenthood WITHOUT any reservations also!

a Jewish woman who was deceived and attacked by Planned Parenthood and who also lost relatives in the Holocaust, thanks to Margaret Sanger

Posted by Catherine November 5, 08 10:30 PM
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Please do a Google or other Internet search of the words "Obama Planned Parenthood" and look at all the links you get. Then look at how Planned Parenthood's founder openly worked with the German Nazi officials in the 1930s and 1940s. Margaret Sanger was wrong -- they did not have great ideas to save the world.

Posted by Catherine November 5, 08 10:42 PM
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president obama is are president and I will support him as president, but not the issue he support. The bible said you surrender when you get saved. There are some believer that are still drinking milk and not getting to the meat. When you get saved you are not in charge jesus christ is but some christian want to be in charge. People voted in this election, racial and social belief not spiritual issue. people are still cardnell stage. The bible is against homosexual life style and against abortion. people better see who they are serving the big g or the little g. The bible warns us against false phophets, christian you better be carefull. Read your bible and do what your bible tell you, not what you want to do. I will pray for president obama every day. I want people to look at both polical partys and honest see who is closer to god will. The republican are for big company and tax breaks to the rich. When the big company dont get over tax they give out more jobs. Most repubican are against abortion, homosexual life style skin cell research. The democrats are for give away programs that put people in more debt. they have hollywood people supported them who do not want to do gods will and dont want anything with god. check out their belief. I love all my brother and sister in the lord. remeember do what god wants you to do. Gods will, not yours. God bless.

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