Obama citizenship challenge goes nowhere

There ya have it you wing nuts, a court of a ,ajority of republican appointed justices (Scalia, Kennedy, Roberts, Thomas, Alito,) have stated that this case is not worth the time. You guys can move on now.

And, as usual, the author of this article got it wrong.

The case had nothing to do with Obama's birth certificate. It was about Obama's father being a British Citizen, thus making the President-Elect a British Citizen at birth. According to the rules for being a US President or Vice President, you must not JUST be a citizen, but a natural born citizen. Because of the President-Elect's Duel citizen ship at BIRTH, he should be disqualified to serve.

A technicality to be sure. But the law is all about technicalities

Please recheck your facts. The Supreme Court has only denied stay of the Electorial College Votes (and yes, that is not a good thing) BUT it has NOT refused or denied a Writ of Certiorari by Justice Thomas as of 11:00 am. (reference SC Docket and Orders for 08A407). There were TWO parts to the case.

The constitutional rule of law is dead in the United States. Bye-bye to everything our patriot founders fought and died for. No more protection of our freedoms. Yeah!!! That only means that we will not have to obey any new federal laws passed under the usurper-dictator's administration! Go ahead, pass gun bans and restrictions. I will not abide by them. Increase my taxes? I won't file. I wouldn't advise trying to enforce these illegitimate laws, either. That would get VERY ugly.

Of course this would go no where...how do you get a judge to escalate this when his mission has another motive other than justice.

This good news for most people and bad news for the right wing fringe....

The Donofrio case is an example of a nonsense case. The a person who is determined can waste the time of the legal system. I would assume that the purpose of the plaintiff was to make a name for himself as an advocate. The press promotes this self serving behavior by writing about it. The other case seems as meritless but I do not know the facts of the case in sufficient detail to be certain.

This good news for most people and bad news for the right wing fringe....

What is the status of Keyes case in California?

There are HUNDREDS of cases still in progress. And petitions with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of signatures of people who want to see the Constitution upheld by the proper verification of Obama's eligibility.

Hawaii officials did not definitively conclude that Obama's birth certificate was genuine. The so called officials spoke off the record in an unauthorative way. They made no mention of whether Obama was born in Hawaii, as his mother could have registered his birth there for up to a year after being born elsewhere.

Another issue of the lawsuits still in progress offers that his mother gave up any US citizenship by becoming a citizen in Indonesia. Berg's lawsuit includes written proof of Obama's stepfather registering him in an Indonesian school as an Indonesian citizen. More to that arguement would be how Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, during a time when American citizens were banned from travel there, using and Indonesian passport.

Why would it seem so ridiculous that Americans want proof to verify that Obama meets Constitutional eligibility requirements before he is President.

Even if they could prove Obama was not a US born citizen, NO ONE WOULD CARE.

Nobody pays attention to the Constitution anymore these days anyways.

se la vie

He will not serve his whole term. This will end up taking him out of the white house as it should.

Supreme court has to uphold the constitution and this will not go away.

Adam - you are more than a little confused. Your parents nationality when you are born has no bearing on your citizenship. If you are born in the US you are a US citizen. Period. Nice try though.

Some people have WAY to much time on their hands. The appeal to the Supreme Court was denied. Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to a US born mother. Regardless of what happened later, Obama is a US citizen (and does anyone REALLY think that it matters how his stepfather registered him for school?? Likely he did so to cut down on bureaucratic paperwork, not for any other reason.) Sorry, right wing, Obama becomes President in January.

Why was this even an issue? Obama's mother was a citizen, making him a citizen from birth.

Why didn't we hear anything about McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone?

Jeez you people are nuts. It doesn't matter what country his parents were citizens of. There are only two forms of citizenship in the US: birth and naturalized. If you parents were from mars but you were born in Hawaii, you can be president.

Still wondering why Obama won't just release the stupid certificate. What's he hiding?

Lets see. We have one party, lets call them the United States Supreme Court. They say Obama is a US Citizen, and the dismiss the case brought before them as BOGUS. Then we have some guy, lets call him "Sullivan" - who claims that it still isnt settled. Sorry if I have more faith in the US Supreme Court that "hundreds of cases" brought by right wing WACK JOBS. See you on January 20th.

"Yeah!!! That only means that we will not have to obey any new federal laws passed under the usurper-dictator's administration! Go ahead, pass gun bans and restrictions. I will not abide by them. Increase my taxes? I won't file. I wouldn't advise trying to enforce these illegitimate laws, either. That would get VERY ugly.
Posted by Had Enough December 8, 08 11:17 AM 5.""

And there you have the real issue. Guns and taxes. Let these crazy people continue hiding behind the Constitution to justify their Anti-American behavior. If Tim McVeigh were alive, he'd probably be part of this group.

As much as the right wing tries to wrap themselves in the flag, the real truth is that they are the real anti-American cancer in our midst. Any excuse to ignor the rule of law.

John McCain's legitimacy as US president was the question mark. I've seen conflicting information, but it does appear that he was born in Panama either off-base or before the base was legally sanctioned (or something like that.) It was such an issue that Congress -- including the Democratic candidates -- passed a resolution saying that McCain was eligible, though that was a PR move as it was non-binding.

to Sullivan:

Why does it seem ridiculous?

Because it seems irrelevant unless you buy into the "Obama's an evil foreign influence hell-bent on destroying This Great America" theory?

And honestly, that downright bat-#### crazy.

The concerns of the framers when they wrote the "Natural Born Citizen" clause also seem of far less concern today, Obama's mother was by all accounts an American citizen when she gave birth to him, and I have yet to see reasonable evidence to suggest he was actually born somewhere other than Hawaii. To quibble over this much more seems an immense waste of time.

How did this escape the background check that should clear anyone running for President of the United States and he make it this far to be elected when he may not even be eligible???Is this how the terroists bombed us on 9/11 because our background checks are nothing. Being President is the most important office in the United States and we should be taking this seriously and not to dismiss such any important factor.

its not about being a right wing nut, it is about the constitution.

Natural Born Citizen. He was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is part of US. End of story.

Right wing nuts go find a job.

The wingnuts lose. Say it again, the wingnuts lose.

Crawl back into your holes, trolls.

A bunch of rednecks who believe in a talking snake. Great.

Oh my Lord! McCain lost, get over it! It's enough already!

As noted, the Constitution requires the President to be a "natural born citizen." That phrase has never been defined legally in detail.

Adam's claim seems to be that Obama having been recognized as a British citizen at birth invalidates his being recognized as an American citizen at birth, as if the actions of a foreign government should determine how Americans interpret their own laws.

Still, one can CLAIM a narrow definition of "natural born," though one must be careful in doing so, since the first several Presidents, while born in this country, were born British citizens, there being no U.S. citizenship at the time. Narrow interpreters need to craft their interpretation to exclude Obama while including Washington. (And they may want to consider whether their arguments would also exclude John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone.)

The birth certificate posted by Obama's campaign on the web states he was born in this country and was filed within four days of his birth. So far it has not been successfully challenged. It's always possible that it's a fraud, anything might be, but I have to wonder why neither Hillary Clinton's campaign people nor John McCain's campaign people ever pursued this publicly.

The entire third paragraph of Sullivan's contribution is relevant only if Obama was not born in this country. Otherwise he is simply an American citizen, whose citizenship cannot be taken away no matter what the actions of other governments, or what other people say about his status. Even holding dual citizenship does not invalidate American citizenship by birth, else Abe Lincoln would be in trouble for accepting honorary Swiss citizenship while President.

This is rediculous. Obama has been in the US Senate for 4 years. In that time, he has had to have background checks from the Federal Elections Commission, the FBI, CIA, and the Secret Service. Apparently, they all came back clear.

As far as the conspiracy theories....his biological father was from Kenya. As far as Barrack's mother being an indonesian citizen, that would be 3 yrs after his birth (so indonesian citizenship does not matter...that was after he was born in Hawaii). If illegal immigrants can have a baby on American Soil, and that child is not only an American Citizen, but also a Natural Born Citizen, what difference does it make that his father was not an American Citizen? His mother was!

And as far as the Supreme Court only denied stay of electoral college votes, but without them reviewing the case, that case is dead. Chances are any similiar cases will be as well.

To Terri Lamsdale...you are what we call nutty. Go ahead, don't follow the law, but don't be surprised when you get put in jail. By the way, by notifiying people on a public board your intent to not follow the laws means that you are not ignorant of the laws, but any future violation will be blatent. And, of course, your outright forward refusal to follow any law (the good as well as the bad) that is passed during the next 4 years (on the federal level) would make you a traitor because you would be doing a disservice to your country (by not following even the good laws), But then I suppose if you get a stimulus check under a President Obama that you wouldn't cash it, because "He doesn't have the legal authority to authorize that payment?"

Although it seems petty, anything the fouding fathers found important enough to put in the Constitution we ought to respect. I mean if you start to get into the "intent" where do you end it? What if someone came to the United States when they were a young child, why wouldn't that be considered ok?

I mean they abide to rules for the Olympics more strictly than our US Constitution?

What is important is that political pressure isn't strong enough for justice to do its due dilligence. I mean Obama's election is the embodiment of the lack of value for experience. His drug use and disdain for rules when he was young will serve as a widely used defense for young people that are caught with cocaine or other illegal substances. Does justice really have to step aside?

When Charles Gibson said that it was shocking how little we knew about Obama, it would be like Arthur Anderson admitting how little they knew about Enron. We don't know who stamped the drawing for the construction details of the tunnel ceiling that collapsed and killed the woman in the Big Dig Tunnel because politics shielded justice. It creates a moral hazard and it emboldens those that think they can operate above the rules of our land, and in this case not have due dilligence in adhering to the United States Consititution.

Practically speaking, I don't see the big deal, but just brushing aside the rules of the Constitution is not good policy because it sets a bad precedent.

No surprise. He got a pass on Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, ACORN and other anti American hate groups. Even if it were true the media would hide the truth from the American people just like they have hidden the true Obama and his past.

Why are there so many crazy people? Does anyone forget the fact that his mother, a native of Kansas, was a US citizen at the time of his birth? He could have been born on Venus. Arguments stop there.

obama has confirmed the great decline is well underway.

By his own admissions, he is unfit to even get a low level security clearances a materials manager at raytheon would require, and yet, he now contols the US Armed Forces.

He is unfit and unqualifed to be president.

1. Do you think Obama could even run for president if he wasn't already qualified as a US citizen? Do you really think they didn't check that out?
2. Just because one parent is a US citizen, and one parent is not, does not make him a "dual citizen". There is no such thing as dual citizenship in USA. You can have two citizenships (in other countries), but the US does not recognize it.
3. My husband is a Canadian, I am a US citizen. My daughter was born here, she is a bonified US citizen. (my grandparents came from Ireland, does that mean I'm not a citizen? ;0) )
4. I think the Obama haters are grasping at straws, and frankly, I don't

understand why.

O.M.G.! Now the State of Hawaii is involved in this conspiracy that started back in 1961 to elect the "new savior" illegally. What's next? Alsaka seceding from the U.S.? Better call the CIA and the FBI and tell them to stop briefing Obama on Top Secret stuff. He's probably a spy and they don't know it.

How on earth could someone think that being a born a citizen of 2 countries is anything other than being a "natural born citizen?" Being a dual citizen at birth simply means that one is born a natural born citizen of the U.S. and another country, not ONLY that other country. This is especially true if the dual citizen was also born in the U.S. There can be nothing more "natural born citizen" than that, even if they also happened to acquire dual citizenship at birth. The Supreme Court has already stated that acquiring the citizenship of another country does not void U.S. citizenship, so how could anyone think that being born a dual citizen could have any voiding effect on being a natural born citizen?

The state of Hawaii states it has genuine records. That is not the issue

The issue is

WHAT THE HELL IS ON THEM

Hint #1: His sister states he was born at two different hospitals at the same time. Kinda hard to do if you ask me.

Hint #2:His paternal grandmother states she was there when he was born in Kenia

Someone said:

"obama has confirmed the great decline is well underway. "

Yeah, right.

President Dubya was qualified, right?
He ran the ship of state aground.

He got into Yale and Phillips Andover because of his Daddy.
Now we have a bonafide intellectual as President, instead of a rich-kid-affirmative action puppet.

If you see this as a decline.....??????
So be it.
Sounds like progress to me.

To be President you need to be a "natural born president"....hmm...does that mean if you were born in this country but via C-section, you're disqualified?

This whole tempest in a teapot says less about the state of our constitutional democracy than it does about the state of our mental health care system. Get these people some help so they can be productive citizens already!

If you want to understand the Supreme Court Decision, here's a clue: the State Department DEMANDS those "reprint" birth certificates for getting a passport - they won't even take the originals! I know - I had to get the certified record of birth forms for my sons to get passports. You might know that if you ever left your hole to travel abroad.

(BTW trolls, did you know that Obama is a Constitutional Law scholar??? Oh, but that's learned stuff and nasty and evile - superstition and heresay is better!)

Obama did NOT have dual citizenship at birth. His father was a British SUBJECT, NOT a CITIZEN! The two are not the same. People apparently have no clue about British nationality issues. If Obama's father could have claimed British ciizenship, then so could half of Kenya at the time. Imagine the chaos and confusion THAT would have caused.

Confirmed born in Kenya with a forged Hawaii birth certificate. Why is this still under debate?

Thank goodness that McCain didn't win since he is also not eligible according to Donofrio!! :)

What an incredible waste of time. There is plenty of proof that he is American, most notably a birth certificate. Very hard to prove a negative, though. Go ahead and try to prove that he is NOT Kenyan, Indonesian, British. What document could be put forward that would ever say that he is NOT British?

So when Obama was born OUTSIDE the US, his mother, knowing that as a mixed race male in a still segregated society he was destined for the US Presidency, cleverly and quickly committed fraud and registered his birth in the state of Hawaii??

Makes sense to me! Wow she was REALLY smart.

Sore LOSERS!! What a group of morons.

both of president andrew jackson's parents were not born in america.
president woodrow wilson and president herbert hoover each had a parent not born in america.
natural born and native born are 2 different legal standards. regardless, president -elect obama was born in the u.s. state of hawaii. the legal doctrine of jus soli applies to him despite his father's non-u.s. citizen status. there is no question that his mother was a native born american.
a child born in the u.s. is a native born citizen without regard to the immigration status of the mother. the age of the mother doesn't not matter.
a child born of an american outside the u.s. is a natural born citizen of the america by virtue of the legal doctrine jus sanguinis.

Hmmm...the poor wingnuts have really lost it, haven't they? You have the clown who calls himself "Had Enough" blustering and, dare I say, threatening people from the comfort of his keyboard, begging the question to this obvious GOP/Bushbot - "why are you not in Iraq, fighting your Republican war, coward?". The righties have definitely lost whatever fragile hold they may have had on objective reality, so they console themselves with their increasingly bizarre and moronic (even by their own lofty standards) little rants. So, to the "big man" who calls himself "Had Enough" (and to each of you all hat/no cattle Bush cowboys), tell us all, big man - why have you not enlisted to fight your Republican war? Maybe you're not the big bad ass you'd like everyone to believe that you are?

Hey George - where is Kenia? Anywhere near Kenya? In the counrty of Africa no doubt according to Sarah.

Hawaiians applying for their state's "Home Lands" program are strongly encouraged by the Hawaiian government to submit the "original Certificate of Live Birth" instead of the "computer-generated Certification of Live Birth."�The computer-generated form -- the same document President-elect Obama is using to defend his status as a natural born citizen -- is not sufficient for the Home Lands program. Quoting their website: "Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."�

It seems reasonable that the documentary requirements to substantiate holding the office of the President of the United States should be at least as stringent as the requirements for Hawaii's "Home Lands" program. Maybe Obama is not hiding anything. Maybe he is a natural born citizen. Maybe there is nothing embarrassing on the original Certificate of Live Birth. But that's precisely the point. If there is nothing out of order, produce the document. Why fight in court to keep the document in the dark?

Why is so hard for some people to accept the facts that a) Obama is eligible to be president according to the constitution by his birthright b) he won the majority of the votes on November 5th and c) he is going to be sworn in as our president on January 20th?!

I'm sickened by these so-called "Americans" who have nothing better to do than proudly proclaim they will not follow the laws of the land because their candidate lost, or those who spend their time conjecturing on how quickly our president to be will be assassinated.

Anyone who fits the above is disgusting and a traitor, and we don't need you in America.

Adam, a natural born citizen is someone born in the United States. End of story.
Seriously, why is this still an issue?
Personally I think Obama is more of a citizen than McCain, Obama was actually born on US soil whereas McCain was born on some piece of land that the US Govt just 'declared' as US soil for the military.
But really, I can't believe you idiots are still making this an issue. I feel sorry for your ignorance.

The Supreme Court got to coronate George W. Bush in 2000. Now they get to coronate Obama in 2008. Turn about is fair play, isn't it?

I've been reading about this for months, and some of these statements don't gel with what I have heard and read. The reason there is a question on O being a "naturalized citizen" is because supposedly he was born in Kenya, and his mother did go to Hawaii after his birth to register him as a US citizen, but not a "naturalized" because the rule for naturaliization is the mother has to be living in the US for 5 years after turning 14 and then have the baby, and she was only 18...reason he would not be considered "naturalized" but still a US citizen. This is the loophole for people filing these lawsuits. Also, his grandmother in Kenya had at one time confirmed he was born in Kenya to the press when he was in the Senate (which has no rules on naturalization that I know of). As far as McCain, he is a "naturalized" because it was a military base, and a U.S. military base no matter where it is located is deemed U.S. soil, same as an embassy is considered soil from whichever their country of origin is. This is just speculation on what I have heard on the radio and tv. My big question is...is O's aunt still living in Boston after all the flack about her being here illegally? I know they legally stopped IND from deporting her before the election, but the story seems to have been wiped out of any newspapers that I have read.

Next up in the year 2032......the first Mexican-American born in LA to a mother that fled Mexico for work is elected President. The fringe attempts to disqualify him as President-elect, citing he isn't actually a naturalized citiizen, even though he was born on American soil.

Sound familiar wingnuts? That's exactly the case that's being proposed now, even though because it happens hundreds of times every day, it isn't as unbelievable as what occurred with Obama when he was born. Obama's mother plopped him out on US soil, case closed.

Don't you all have some Limbaugh to listen to at this time of day?

Got to love the combination of misinformation, xenophobia, down right racism, and pride in their own stupidity being displayed from some of those on the right at the moment.

We have the most conservative Supreme Court in years (though very qualified as well) and they see no grounds to follow through with this moronic argument. As a student of political history I am saddened by how a fringe leaning minority can disrupt a party with as proud a history as the Republican Party. As a democrat partisan, I�m thrilled they have as much sway as they do. The wing nuts are just as repulsive to most Americans as the Pink Ladies, the only difference is that the Pink Ladies are relegated to protesting at places like Berkley while being ridiculed by the Left�s leadership when ever they manage to gain any press. If you people don�t think that this past election was a repudiation of such clear divisive politics I suggest you look at the exit polls from this past election. Obama had broad base appeal, he got votes from everyone, he beat McCain in the White College Educated demographic while only narrowly losing out in regards to whites in general (beating both Kerry and Gore in both groups).

This election has proven one of two things: America is ready for a Muslim extremist, Communist, illegal Alien to run our nation or the far right is full of crap and America is sick of it.

I applaud the Supreme court for their inaction, while I may disagree with Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito about the role of the judiciary and believe that judicial minimalism is for the most part a bunch of baloney, I also believe that these people take their jobs very seriously and are about as fair as one could reasonably expect of any person.

We are all entitled to our beliefs. I believe SCOTUS NEEDED to interpret their meaning of Natural Born Citizen so we could all move forward.

Nothing is EVER written in stone, and the comments just gall me that state, �He is a citizen, so get over it. Period.� How short sighted that you can have no tolerance for others who interpret the words within our Constitution differently than yourself. Being able to have and voice differing opinions is the very thing that makes this nation so great.

If you feel Obama is a NBC, then discuss and debate the issue - rather than just repeating what his campaign keeps saying followed by the word - Period. I�ve seen it so frequently, that I�m starting to believe that Obama pays bloggers to mindlessly repeat their mantra, followed by�Period.

Until I see a court ruling on the subject, I will not accept Obama as my president; however, I will not ridicule and belittle him as the left have done to Bush. The Office of the President will have my respect, but the man behind the title will not.

When we look back in history, we will view Obama just as we view Chester Arthur ( who knew he was not a NBC and lied and burned records to cover up the fact) - we will see them for the usurpers that they are and that will be what defines their presidency in the annals of history.

Let me start with a fallacy:

All of you loons lining up to decry Obama as a non-natural born US citizen are alligning yourselves with the very fringe of society, psychologically speaking. Phillip Berg is the man who sued the US government for perpetrating 9/11. Alan Keyes has marginalized himself over and over again with his over the top, bring on the controversy approach to politics. The list goes on, and you're falling for it.

What once were everyday Republicans, proud of their country and ready to defend her to the death, are now rabic conspiracy theorists who will, ultimately, destroy this nation to let your delusions stand. The proof is in your collective argument; it changes with every article, and the "facts" are selectively cherry-picked each time, making it very easy for anyone with a few bookmarks, a little patience, and a shred of analytical thinking skills to debunk your "case."

I say these things not to belittle you or marginalize you. It is to warn you. You are riding toward a cliff, and if you're smart enough it won't just be you and your elephant that goes over but the USA that crashes down with you. Please take a deep breath, step away from the issue for a while, and come back to it when you are ready to let go of your political prejudices and look at the case rationally.

Consider a few facts:
1. US Immigration Code provides that a person is considered a natural born US citizen so long as they meet certain criteria. One scenario involve birth to an American citizen who has lived in the US for five years, but who was out of the country during the birth. It does not matter where the other parent was born or to what nation they claim citizenship. The upshot is that, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he is a natural born US citizen under our own laws.
2. Barrack Obama never renounced his citizenship of the USA. Even if he had, he was stil a natural born US citizen at birth.
3. Many natural born US citizens have dual citizenship. US born Jews are given citizenship with Israel. That does not prevent a US Jew from becoming president.
4. There are several agencies that could have kept Obama from running for POTUS from Day 1. These agencies include: FEC, FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, and the OPM. Each one of these agencies has a vested interest in ensuring that only elligble US citizens may run for POTUS. Add to that the DNC (primaries) and RNC (general). In order for any one of your varied and sometimes conflicting theories to work, the conspiracy would be hundreds of officials deep, and it would span the entire political spectrum.

Believe it or not, I get it. Obama appears to you to be a thug. You never trusted him because of his ties and his past. That the media's reporting is disappointing to you is evidence of a so-called free pass. And now you hear and read about cases that appear to make sense, especially on the surface. On top of it all, Obama apparently refuses to release his longform birth certificate. But you check your facts, finding that the media did report--extensively, if you perform a simple google search--Obama's past, that the cases are flimsy and full of speculation, errors, and outright lies, and that Hawaii does not have a mechanism for requesting longform birth certificates, you may begin to see a different picture. Or you may just find new ways to spin the facts.

Please do the right thing. Don't fall prey to the mass hysteria created by internet hype and idealogical stonework. Let us move on and keep the US running. The nation is limping, and your barbs are only making things worse.

I can't prove this, but I suspect that if the birth certificate was indeed taken out of the vault and verified by all the relevant authorities, examined by the best forensic scientists and the best lawyers in United States, and if then, one of these doubters were to actually be in the room with these people holding the ceritificate in his/her own hands, that person would then say it was a fake and call the whole thing a conspiracy anyway.
Call me kooky.

I can't prove this, but I suspect that if the birth certificate was indeed taken out of the vault and verified by all the relevant authorities, examined by the best forensic scientists and the best lawyers in United States, and if then, one of these doubters were to actually be in the room with these people holding the ceritificate in his/her own hands, that person would then say it was a fake and call the whole thing a conspiracy anyway.
Call me kooky.

I'm not sure what's wrong with all of you. It really doesn't matter where your parents are born if you are born in the USA. Hawaii has been a state since 1959 and Barack was born in Hawaii in 1961. That makes him a US Citizen. Civics 101, people...

love it ! For the next 4-8 years I get to listen to right wing nut jobs whine and cry about the change that is has arrived vis-a-via Obama. There use to be a time when Republicans had ideas now it's just recycled karl rove tactics.

It's pretty sad how many crackpots and bigots there are in this country hiding behind skewed interpretations of the Constitution. Obama was born to an American mother, it doesn't matter where he was born, that makes him a natural born citizen. He was also born in the United States, which in and of itself makes him a natural born citizen. His father's citizenship is irrelevant. To those who insist it cancels out his mother's American citizenship, all you can say is 'why?' Why does the father being Kenyan/British(via imperialism) cancel out the mother being American, rather than the mother being American cancel out him being Kenyan/British?
Of course, if any of these people were thinking objectively and thoughtfully about the issue, it wouldn't be an issue.
Instead they're just terrified that a half-black man is going to treat them as badly as they would treat him. "Do unto others as you would have other do unto you (unless they're different in soem way or you can get away with puttign them down)" seems to be the motto for these people.
They're frightened that the hate and vitriol they have shown will be thrown back at them. I have news for you people... Obama is a better man than any of you are. You can hate him and spite him and spit in his proverbial face and he will still do everything in his power to be the best president possible for all Americans, not just the ones who look like him. Crawl back in your holes if you want, the rest of American is moving forward to a brighter future.

LET IT GO ! PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA SOON TO BE PRESIDENT OBAMA
AND THAT'S THAT !!! IT IS WHAT IT IS !!!!

41.Confirmed born in Kenya with a forged Hawaii birth certificate. Why is this still under debate?
Posted by Maureen December 8, 08 01:31 PM

Confirmed by whom, moron?

What's the problem with letting this play out to the end? What ever happened to "Yes We Can? Find the truth, that's all they are asking, shouldn't that be what EVERYONE wants... the truth?

He was born in this country and he is a citizen that's good enough for me, I just
hope in the future we put more educated people like Obama in there instead just
famous and rich people.

He was born in this country and he is a citizen that's good enough for me, I just
hope in the future we put more educated people like Obama in there instead just
famous and rich people.

You've got to love Sally claiming in one line that he won't belittle Obama like the left did to Bush and then the very next line state that Obama's admin. will be known as one that tarnished America a month before the guy even takes office.

Keep it up hoss, there is a reason Obama won and it's people like you.

Why do nearly all the comments on this subject contain misspellings or incorrect grammar?

To those of you who think he was born in Kenya go to snopes.com

they have a copy of his birth announcement posted. Nevermind, you'll claim that it was inserted in the Honolulu newspapers by muslim conspirators who foresaw his run for the Presidency 47 years ago.

Seriously, get some help for your delusions. I've see more intelligent discussions in the waiting room of a Midas muffler ship in Cowpie, Alabama.

as someone who didnt vote for obama, even i think this is ridiculous. quite surreal actually that this many people have no idea what it takes to be a citizen. i am speechless. let's all move on folks. together. becuase if we don't, WE ARE ALL SCREWED. RED, BLUE OR PURPLE.

With all that is going on in our country and the world, can't we think of any other issue to carry on about? I think I saw the man on the grassy knoll holding the umbrella in one hand and Obama's forged birth certificate in the other hand in the Zabruder film.

It's also ironic that McCain was not born in the U.S. but on a U.S. Military Base in Panama. Although he was deemed to fit within the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" there is still some scholarly debate about it.

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The problem you idiots are refusing to accept is that WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE??? Oh yeah, because ONE spokesperson from Hawaii said it was legit and its in the vault, all you muppets believe it without one shred of evidence. Ask yourselves this....if there really is a birth certificate, WHY NOT SHOW IT??? He has yet to show it to anyone, and the Hawaiian officials certainly didnt post it online. Think about what you would say if a Mexican or Arab came to you looking for a job....wouldnt you ask for a birth certificate?? Or would you just accept his word for it, oh, its in Hawaii, but you cant see it, just trust me, its legit. What would you say, ok?? Or...yeah right, whatever. Why is it because Obama is a politician, we automatically assume he is a citizen??? Arent politicians always lying to us, but for Obama, all of a sudden, we believe anything that comes out of his mouth, or to be fair, not come out of his mouth??

This is horsepucky hypocrisy, and you Liberals asked for McCain's citizenship to be confirmed, and it was. Yet when we ask for Obama's citizenship to be confirmed, we get the run around, and thousands of dollars spent defending against the lawsuits, and thousands spent to PREVENT his birth certificate from being shown. WHY?? Doesnt that sound fishy to anyone??? Why SPEND thousands of dollars, regardless if you can afford it or not....to PREVENT people from seeing your birth certificate??

I will GLADLY drop the issue if Obama just shows his birth certificate. Too many of you people think its automatic, he was born in Hawaii, he is an automatic citizen. The case rests on IF he was born in Hawaii, which is what the issue is. His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya. So the issue isnt ONLY if he is natural born citizen, the issue is to PROVE he was born in Hawaii.

You are the people who believe JFK was shot by ONE man, despite the evidence, and you are the people who also think Bush caused 9/11....despite the evidence. There is video evidence of JFK getting shot from the front, and there is plenty of video evidence of passenger jets flying into the WTC, yet people believe the opposite. Here, for Obama....there is NO evidence EVER shown, which CAN be easily shown, and you Obama fanatics refuse to even question it. Who is more stupid?? Obviously, Obama fanatics are. Its a simple issue of showing your birth certificate, would end this ENTIRE debate in 10 seconds flat. But no....we are conspiracy theorists or sore losers. LOL.

Don't you whackjob Neocons know anything?

McCain was born in Panama- shortly after it had been taken over by Spanish Conquistadors.

American Liberals, what are your standards?

Does the truth count? or does YOUR eternal quest for social justice trump the truth and justice?

Go back and recount all the ballots from the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Then we'll talk about Obama's citizenship.

No deal? Then give it up and MOVE ON!

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I think the Supreme Court is the end. Thanks for playing.

#61 Brendan.....BRAVO!!!!! That's telling it like it is! Good for you. I agree wholeheartedly. I would only add this directive to these hole-dwellers. If you don't like having Barack Obama as President.....MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!

What the right wing fear most is that there will be an ignorance void in this country when Bush leaves office and they will not be able to distort perceptions the way they have in the last eight years.

to no 64:

I'll just kind of repeat myself here one more time.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but:

Obama can't demand that the birth certificate be shown without filing a lawsuit.

The 'short-form' birth certificate shown is legally binding, and the same proof of verification we all are required when applying for a passport, ect.

Again, I suspect that even if the long form were unearthed, verified by the best forensic scientists and lawyers in the U.S., and put in the hands of one of these sour-grapes doubters while IN THE SAME ROOM with all these experts...they would still declare it a conspriacty after looking at the actual document.

call me kooky.

I hope eventually his birth certificiate is verified to the satisfaction of the public. Regardless of what we all think there are two lawsuits, one in California and another one in Washington, that will require Obama to produce his vault birth certificate as evidence as both plaintiffs will be found to have "standing". I really hope it says he was born in Hawaii so there isn't a Constittutional crisis and civil unrest.

#18 (Joan):
I think you hit the nail on the head. Comparing these morons to Timothy McVeigh was spot-on. Maybe someday their anti-American acts will be officially recognized as treason and punished as such. Get a rope.

Muhahahah! Rejoice my fellow Britons. Our fiendish and devious plot to reacquire the former colonies is coming to fruition.

Hail King Barack the Redneck Slayer!

Is there something in the water that produces these kooks that don't understand 2 simple things?

1. Born on US soil, even if both parents are Martians, you're a natural born citizen

2. Born outside of US of at least one US parent, you're a natural born citizen.

QED - it's not so hard

"natural born citizen of the U.S" is an interesting concept. What about people who were born through Caesarean section? And imagine the barney we'll have when an IVF baby wins the presidency.

@72. So many problems, so little time.
1. He has produced a birth certificate. Many people have reviewed it. It is the same document that one would use to acquire a US Passport or apply for a job. That you are not satisfied with the type begs of the question: Where shall the bar be set? And since he cannot pull a "long form" birth certificate--Hawaii does not have a procedure for people to pull these records--how should he produce it?
2. "...what you would say if a Mexican or Arab came to you looking for a job(?)" I would treat them just like every other applicant. Not only is it the law, but it's right and fair. Are you saying that non-whites should be forced to produce birth certificates for every job?
3. McCain's citizenship was voted by a liberal Congress--during the GOP primaries. Why would the DNC care about it before the general election?
4. Obama has spent zero dollars to prevent people from viewing his birth certificate. In fact, he has shown it to several people. Stop the lies.
5. Since the birth certificate has been produced, you are welcome to drop your case.
6. Read the article. I has nothing to do with where Obama was born. The case which was refused has to do with dual citizenship; the auther of the suit says quite clearly that he believes Obama was born in Hawaii.
7. Ironic, that you complain about marginalization as a conspiracy theorist, then go on to rant about JFK. Also ironic, that you rail against 9/11 "truthers," yet your "evidence" is even more flimsy than that from their movement. (No, I am not a truther at all.)
8. Not every detail needs to be questioned. Just because you or others have questioned Obama's birth place, that does not make it an automatic requirement for the rest of us. Many of us have read the various--and conflicting--theories on Obama's non-NBC status and have decided that it is bunk. With all of the agencies out there--including the RNC, which disagrees with you (part of that Left Wing conspiracy?)--you would think that someone, somewhere, would come up with hard evidence. Yet we have none. Instead, we are treated to internet rants.

Our country has gone to hell..How do we go about impeaching the judge that ruled that wasn't important.

Amen to #83 - obviously these people slept through government class, but don't worry, our new President is going to reform the education system on top of putting out all the fires the Republicans have set the last eight years. Maybe those who can't accept the new President should opt out of the benefits, health care, social security, and otherwise, that come with being a part of this nation.

Guess it's time for all you constitutional experts to find another place to live. This one's gone to hell. Go somewhere you can make up your own rules. Pool your money and buy an island.

I wish the Supreme Court would have heard this case. But, "BIG MONEY" has paid them off, as it did when he ran for congress. Next, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come here, become a "citizen" and run for president.
Where did the Obama campaign get over $750,000,000 in contributions? Anyone in Kenya, or anyone with a name Hussein? Speaking of that, Why did the press intentionally NOT state his full name, Barack Hussein Obama? WHAT IS THE PRESS, THE CONTROLLING PEOPLE OF THE GOVERNMENT, DEMOCRATS, TRYING TO HIDE FROM US?? LOOK OUT USA! Obama will take our democracy and make it a socialist country, and to hell with the constitution. The end is near.

WHAT ARE YOU TR

@89
That is so hyperbolic that it appears to be satire.
Two questions for you:
1. What POTUS received the most campaign contributions before Barrack Obama?
2. What are the middle names of John McCain, Sarah Palin, and Joe Biden?

If you know the answer to the second question, you either had to look it up or someone outside The Big Bad Media told you. And why did the Media REFUSE to state the middle names of McCain, Palin, and Biden? Were they hiding something? Or was it just plain irrelevant?

Different does not equate bad. Get over yourself.

It took 89 comments for the middle name "Hussein" to be mentioned. What is worse? Filling up your tank thinking that you are potentially funding terrorists...Or....listenting to home grown terrorists Rush & Shawn spew hatred by associating a presidential candidate with Saddam Hussein and then patronizing and funding their sponsors. Pitting Americans against each other by promoting and appealing to prejudices is grass roots terrorism.

Deny the facts? Ignore the Constitution? Shut up? No way Obama Zombies!
Show us a bona-fide long form birth certificate at it's all over, how much more simple can it be? The Constitution does matter!

Dear President Elect Barack Obama:
These people aren't going to quit - so please release a copy of your original birth certificate and put this silly conspiracy to rest.

This has nothing to do with Obama and the right wingers, the oft mentioned article also states there is a challenge for McCain and the Socialist. This is about one thing, the consitution and laws. I for one want the Consitution followed. It's intresting that all of you have called this a right wing conspiracy, is that because Democrats don't believe that the consitution should be followed? That is what you are basicly stating with your comments. Ths should be something we all want a definate answer too, right wing, left wing or moderate. Democrat, Republican, Socilaist, LIbertarine, Green Party etc...This is about basic laws that our country was founded on being followed.