Obama vows action on global warming

Hang on to your wallets!

Great plan Barry, let's add to the economic turmoil by further taxing corporations for their carbon emissions. A global carbon tax plan would serve little to prevent carbon emissions and furthermore, whom do the carbon tax dollars go to? Think of the expense of implementing and then enforcing a carbon tax, who will keep track of these emissions? A plan like this is completely ludicrous and would only serve to stunt global economic growth. To add to the absurdity, it still has NOT been proven that increased carbon emissions lead to higher temperatures. Carbon dioxide is only one miniscule factor on the global climate along with solar radiation levels, cloud cover, urbanization, etc. What has a larger effect? a few hundred parts per million of gas or the total radiation output of the sun...Serisouly Barack, let's get serious...

I have since 1974-75 been working on solar photovoltaic systems and now am most glad that our future president is listening to us, advocates of all alternative energy systems. If our government creates attractive insentive for entrepreneurs to generate new solar ventures, preferably in auto-tracking PV arrays, we can provide every household with ample electric power and reduce CO2 by considerable amount.. Let us not bring up targets 2020 etc but do it now and watch every year increase in employment, sound and sustainable economic benefits and reduction in household costs for badly needed electric power at all times.

That kind of policy would propell US to independence from foreign oil in no time.
Try to stimulate entrepreneurs with low rate loans for up to $ 250,000 specifiic for solar energy business activities and we will see fantastic growth in a year or so. Photovoltaic technology is cleaner, more efficient then many other systems. please help all of us to bring it to the needy customers.

The warmest year on record, according to the Global Warmers was 1998. In 1998 they said the temp would continue to increase 'forever" until carbon emmisions went down. Others said it was sunspots. Since carbon went up, according to the Global Warmers and sunspot activity and temps have gone down , it is safe to say
Global Warming is more of a religion than a science

I've been saying this for years now...the US auto companies want a bailout while they're laying off workers left and right. Maybe we should be coming up with reliable, dependable cars that don't need gasoline, so that we're able to compete with foreign auto makers over the next few years. They've already developed better cars than us that run on fuel other than fossil fuels. This would create jobs, make us competitive, reduce Greenhouse emissions, and everyone's happy. It's not as easy as I'm making it sound, but it's a sound policy...

What - he wants to make it colder? No thanks. Cold enough here.

How about a cabinet-level environmental post, focused on all aspects of surviving and making the most of adaptations to climate change? Gore for climate czar -- give him the clout he should have had 8 years ago, and stop the shilly-shallying encouraged by short-sighted, immediate-gratification-minded ecocides like the chairman of the U.S. Chambers of Commerce.

Joe Biden: "We're not going to miss this opportunity,"
he goes on....
"to tax the American people for release of an invisible gas whose role in global warming errr, climate....What are we calling it now Al?
Al Gore whispers
"Ahh yeah...climate change, anyway.... all your money is now ours because all of you release carbon."
This comment brought to you by people who don't deny, but remain skeptical about our role in "global warming" "climate change" or whatever these guys call it in ten years

Great, bad data going into bad interpretations will equal one nice big government taxation of some form or another. Can we get away from this AGW crap and focus on real pollutants with real measureable effects, not this nebulous warming which may or may not do something in some areas but not others, so we should prepare for those effects that can do bad things or maybe even be good but mostly bad, at least over there which will cause that bad thing to happen...maybe.

The hot water bottle we put under the gas comforter needs to be included in the discussion. Not the least might be demonstrated by the hockey stick shape of the warming graph tracking, in time frame and shape, blade to handle, one of the development and exploding increase of wireless communication whose energy frequencies activate, thus warm, just as those from the Sun, with no built in regular night time cooling periods. Radio, data transmission, TV, remotes, satellites, internet, cell phones, sensors, trackers, locaters, CBs, radar, lasers, pagers, hand helds galore and growing, etc. all create or utilize energy frequencies that keep the atmosphere in a constant state of activity, aka: warmth, non-stop.

This jibberish is another tax in the making.

A Time Magazine front cover in the 1970s warned us about global cooling, now the nuts want us to believe in global warming.

My idea is to launch Rush Limbaugh between the Earth and the Sun. He'd block the harmful rays and his toxic blather would drift harmlessly into space.

It's about time! After 8 years of intransigent, pig-headed denial by the Bush regime, how refreshing it is to have a real President who steps up to the plate and assumes the leadership role on global warming that we desperately need.
And there is no better man to offer him advice and assistance on this than Al Gore, who has been warning us about this massive threat to our future since the 1980s.

I just hope that we are not too late in joining the rest of the world to acknowledge the obvious.

About time we step up to lead, nice to know that the new Prez does not need watching everyday.

You know, I Think Obama is an intelligent man. I just hope he read all of the facts from all of the scientists and doesn't swallow the tripe Al gore is pedaling. ITS JUNK SCIENCE! WEATHER IS CYCLICAL.

Finally, someone who won't sweep the problem under the rug! And wouldn't it be something if Al Gore DID become a member of the Obama administration to ensure that everything possible will be done to save our environment?

Get ready for the Gore-effect. Gore talks about global warming and we have record freezing temp.

Can we stop taking so much. Heaps and heaps of junk; none of which make us happy, or our children. Can we get away from speed & cars? Can we slow down and live sanely and simply? Can we understand that having nature (foxes, rabbits, song birds, skunks, badgers, cougars, grassy footpaths) close to us keeps us healthy? Can we stop paving the earth? Can we choose a quiet woods over a water park/car dealership/strip mall? Can we live in small homes? I want my community to be in nature. I don't want nature put on a reservation (called a park) and have to drive 200 miles to view it. Can we grow our vegetables in our own community? Can we bicycle, and hang clothes out to dry. Of course we can.

In the face of no measurable warming since 1998, in the face of the computer models which all failed to predict the cooling now underway, in the face of expenditures of over 40 billion dollars which produced no evidence whatsoever that CO2 concentrations have any effect on the climate, these politicians, including President-elect Obama, still want to fight "global warming."

Wake up! There is no global warming. We are faced with global cooling again as we did in the period of 1940 to 1975. This was the period of the war and the post-war boom which made CO2 concentrations increase rapidly, but the world cooled.

During the period of 1975 to 1998, the word did indeed warm. And during this period we also saw the sun's energy emissions increase. Those scientists who study the sun's energy emissions have correctly predicted the earth's and the other planet's climate changes. The CO2 emissions "warming theorists" have never predicted anything correctly. And, they have never been able to explain why other planets are warming and cooling in the same pattern as the earth. And, somehow they refuse to admit that perhaps the sun might have something to do with it.

The recent Poznan conference of over 10,000 "scientists" is an assembly of politicians who seem able to continue to hoax the whole world with a theory which is so transparently false that it beggars the imagination that anyone could believe it. But, it seems that this group wants to extend and expand the scheme called the Kyoto Protocol which has failed utterly to produce CO2 reductions anywhere in the world. It seems if something fails utterly and completely -- they plan to make the goals even more unattainable. Science is the process of theorizing and predicting future events, and when observations contradict the theory, it is the theory which needs to be discarded. But, this group puts on its blinders and ignores scientific evidence because they are in the pay of those, like Al Gore, who stand to make hundreds of millions of dollars in managing the carbon reduction programs, or they live on grant money given to study global warming, so how can they admit the truth?

These so-called scientists are so determined to levy enormous taxes and hardships on the world, including devastation and deaths in 3rd world populations that they have lost all moral authority to do anything about global climate change.

In fact, global warming has stopped in 1998 and does not exist today, and for these people to pretend that it does makes them no better than common thieves. Many responsible scientists say so and have resigned from the U.N. agency in protest over the fraudulent methods and dishonest so-called studies which purport to "prove" global warming. But, like the famous "hockey stick" proof of man's role in causing climate change because of CO2 emissions -- we know it was a fraud, and so are those who advocate CO2 emission reductions. It will do nothing for the climate.

But, it will put billions of dollars into the pockets of those who want to run "cap and trade" systems, and will satisfy the radical environmentalists who want to control the world's economies. They have no facts, all they have is blind ambition to defraud the world's govennments and the taxpayers. And, President-elect Obama is just another dupe of these confidence game tricksters. Where are his advisers?

Let's not let them put the world in an economic tail spin just to make money for themselves.

This is reaching absolute insanity. We DO NOT ALL believe what the scientists have been telling us. Some of the scientists are the exact same ones that were telling us we were facing global cooling in the 70s. Why should I even begin to think they are somehow infalible when there is no question whatsoever they have been wrong? Good science is absolutely NOT about a show of hands. "Consensus" is the current refuge of scoundrels. Evidence of climate changes absolutely is not evidence said change was caused by man. Change is what the climate does. But the real kicker is we are NOT WARMING!! A second grader probably has enough smarts to see that if what is supposed to be causing temps to go up continues to go up while temps are going down that wasn't what was REALLY causing temps to go up. Stop drinking the foolaid.

People still believe in man made Global Warming?

What a scam!

I see all those climate scientists are weighing in on how there's no such thing as global warming--not.

Thank heavens we have a president-elect who actually believes in science. And for those of you who don't, so sorry the Repubs didn't win this time. Maybe we'll go back to voting for incompetents in 2012. You better hope our educational system continues to tank. Sad for you that this time we have a Prez with a three digit I.Q. But maybe Palin will make a comeback--you betcha!

we have about 10 years to reduce our emissions by %90 which is unlikely, so hold on this is going to be a rough ride.

You people are tools of the neo-cons. They come up with nonsense instead of science ot protect their corporate bottom lines and you fools suck it down hook, line, and sinker.

The issue isn't what's happened over the last ten years with some specific temperature readings in select locations. The issue is unprecidented rises in climactic temperatures at a rate not seen in the evolution of trackable geologic history.

Get a clue - 90% of the world's scientists agree that there's a problem - but Rush and Faux News know better. You are beyond foolish.

Global Warming Action = Job Prevention

If there was ever a chance for Obama to be a uniter and not a divider it is to tell the world the the Global Warming priests are wrong and that we are not going to sacrifice our prosperity for the silliness of TRADING carbon emission credits. If CO2 is the problem then TRADING carbon credits is not a solution , only REDUCING them is. That exposes the truth that it is all just a scam to get prosperous western democracies/socialist states to put a lid on their economies to favor "developing" economies like CHina, India, Brazil.

Oh really, whats this messiah going to do, change the climate patterns....Global warming is a false threat, and over time you will all see. The government owns our mortgages, now they have our cars, and they are taking the great outdoors as well. Yes we should all do our part in taking environmental responsibilities but once the government steps in....Game Over!

Warm enough for you this morning? Oh, I forgot: it's now called climate change. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling," said the litttle red hen.

Al Grore found himself a gold mine. Nothing he does will change mother nature.
He just sucked in Obama to help fill his wallet. Temps have been changing for millions of years, and Al Gore and his gang are only helping themselves.
Kiss your tax dollars goodby.

Is anybody aware that the average temperature has DROPPED each of the past 5 years?? Global warming is such a joke. The real person behind global warming is Al Gore himself, for making up such a ridiculous notion.

what i would like to know is who is the obvious bias democrat running this thread. I thought these where two way conversations...apperently they are only one way "left". I am not the most intelligent person on board but christ, i had some posts that made sense here and they did not get posted. Im lucky if you are reading this one.

Regarding comment #19, 20, and 21. You are all wrong. Let me present a simple piece of evidence that is absolutely irrefutable. Yes weather does cycle in periods, but stratum samples have been taken from the ice shelf in the Antartica that measure the content of CO2 over the rise and fall of those weather cycles (from the past 800,000 years) where the warm period trapped in the ice stratum contain more carbon than the cold period. Now they are able to measure the rise and fall of those carbons over the layers contained in the stratum, but over the past century or so, the content of carbon has spiked BEYOND the capability of the median of the data gathered to accurately reflect the normal rise and fall.. in other words it is such a spike that it skews the median which is supposed to show an average.. Think of a baseball player who plays 12 years, and bats .267 for ten years, and then in his 11th season, suddenly bats .832, so when you try to average that out to gauge what kind of hitter he was during his career, the average is so skewed it does not give a good representation of his career. If you think this is a scientific conspiracy or fabrication, please visit and examine the actual ice samples that are stored by EPICA which, by the way, is a 10 country constorium, so it'd have to be 10 countries sharing different political aspirations, yet agreeing on one giant conspiracy.. that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Oil was once useful, but is no longer useful because of the high rate of consumption, just as coal ceased to be useful, and wind power ceased to be useful before that. It's time to EVOLVE.

The formula is simple, turning the entire country green generates an enormous number of jobs that cannot be outsourced, because the technology is too new, and specialized. It also generates income, generates more trade export, boosts our currency, and keeps America #1 in the scientific/technological frontier.

I am extremely happy that Obama has realized the seriousness of the matter. Finally, the government is taking action! Global warming may not be caused entirely by carbon emissions, but for those people who still doubt, tell your arguements to the dying polar bears. Tell that to the people suffering from droughts, floods. and other natural disasters. Tell that to the people of Greenland. Tell that to the people of Australia, suffering from the hole in the ozone layer. It's great that Obama is stepping it up and taking the lead.

I am so delighted to hear from President-elect Barack Obama regarding this issue of Global warming as I would like to do a research work as to how the citizens of a developing country like Bangladesh can contribute to reach a solution of this problem.

Funny, it is cold here in New England but in the Artic where it needs to be cold it is warm... That is not a good thing.

You tools who do not understand climate science are the same fools who thought the small pox vacine is a bad thing, huh.

First off – I believe Global Warming is a very serious “Very Real- Man Induced” problem.

However, I do not believe the US is to blame. All we did was develop technologies that the rest of the world would have, if they could have. We were, and are, simply more technologically advanced[ [and the world is very jealous of this, and therefore all the criticism, not to mention that we are the worlds only Superpower, and the world is also jealous of that. Kyoto is as much an attempt to undermine our economy as an attempt to solve Global Warming. Much of the world is just using it as an Economic Tool against us – and many people in the US see this for exactly what it is, Hypocrisy,….. and much of the world knows we know. Probably the main reason even Clinton and Gore would not truly support Kyoto]].

Having a degree in Natural Resources I think the evidence (about global warming) is very Clear and Convincing ‘today’. However, I was not really sure until about 1995, even though I started seeing strong evidence around about 1985. At that point a noticeable warm up started (at least where I was living, & others said they noticed it also, in my area & elsewhere). In my opinion the evidence gradually got stronger till 95, when I thought the evidence was strong enough (and has only gotten stronger, today it is downright scary – the Arctic Ice Cap Meltdown - not funny). So, I really don’t think you can blame us till then (95), and many still don't (or don't want to) see it, & not just in the US. However, since 95 the US has made many moves (on many fronts) to combat the problem, and many other countries are dragging their feet, or have been given a free pass (the main Kyoto problem). One of the biggest examples here is China…..but there are others.

The world says it is our Industry that caused the problem (they don’t talk about Britain, and other Industrialized nations as much), but it is also probably mostly ‘Our Technology’ that is going to solve it……………….[I could also throw in many examples of other countries stealing our technology on the international market (weak international patent protections, and many anti-US countries want it that way), the vast majority of SE Asian Industries are built on Appropriated US Technology……. Etc., Etc…………………….…

Our Technology and Industry also saved the world in WWI, WWII, and the Cold War (not to mention other situations). If we had not spent all those years developing various Industries, and Aircraft, & Jeeps, & Tanks, & Ships the afore-mentioned wars would have been lost [[prior to Pearl Harbor the only modern Fighter Plane in SE Asia, other than a Japanese model, was the P-40 Curtis Hawk (Flying Tigers), not a great plane but it kept China from falling]]. We had to use Trains & Trucks to move parts from factory to factory. It took factories to build trains & trucks also, and they had to burn fuel (all this putting carbon in the atmosphere, etc). All those planes, & jeeps, & tanks, & ships etc also burned fuel etc., etc., etc. Not to mention when ours, or the other side’s material got destroyed & released carbon.

Our Industry saved the world on several occasions (also, we have established MANY Democracies around the world,….. how many has Russia or China established !!!). So when people talk about this situation as if we are the only beneficiaries, of such Industrialization, they should look at history again, more objectively. If not for us, much of the world could today be under Japanese Imperialism, or Nazism, or USSR domination………’Comprende’.

The rest of the world has ‘As Much a Responsibility’ to solve this problem as we do,

So, THEY SHOULD STOP BALKING, and cut the EXCUSES.
Da Truth

Wow. All I have to do is come back to this page and look at the comments to see that yet again there is plenty of proof that if anything is a bold faced lie it is that there agreement by all. I also see yet again how people just love to stick by the notion that if there is any evidence of gullilble warming it is evidence gullible warming is caused by man.

I never disputed gullible warming... until it wasn't happening anymore. I saw the same facts every body else did and had no problem whatsoever concluding that the planet was indeed warming. That would be because it was. But those temperature rises being caused by man is a completely separate matter. The trend upward actually started before CO2 could have been all that big of a factor (late 1800's at the end of the "little ice age") and there were downward trends such as what we saw in the 70's while CO2 was clearly still going up. That told me at the very least CAUSE was questionable.

Knowing that CO2 was not some poison as it is being portrayed but literally an essential component of the climate system that has been around a lot longer than we have coupled with the fact that people actually want to tax us on the air we breath (I have seen proof exhaled air is factored into "carbon footprint" calculations - along with farts and burps) made it quite easy to QUESTION what I was being told. Scientists working on and spending millions on how to keep cows and kangaroos from burping and farting made me question the sanity of the people telling me what I was being told.

I was also paying attention enough to remember things like talk about how 1998 was the "warmest year in 10,000 years" and then remembered that when it came out that 1934 was actually warmer than 1998. Hmm. I smell a rat.

I saw how what became "irrefutable" (are you paying attention number 31??) was that the hockey stick graph, the one that was supposed to be the "smoking gun" that proved man had caused the warming that was happening, had entire periods of history removed in order to look like that (the little ice age and the medievil warm period) and there was talk about how if you plugged in random data it still looked like a hockey stick. Lights started coming on in my head. If it is unquestionable that data was being manipulated it follows that people and the truth are also being manipulated and I am not about to be on board with that.

I have since seen plenty of evidence there are some major major problems with the entire gullible warming THEORY. Evidence like the cooling trend we are in. Evidence like ocean temperatures cooling instead of warming. Upper atmosphere temps cooling instead of warming. Evidence like ocean levels indeed going up but only by minute amounts and starting with the end of the little ice rather than the uptick in CO2. Evidence like the ice cores cited so often actually showing CO2 typically lags temperature rises rather that preceeding them. That would indicate CO2 is more of an affect rather than a cause.

But I have to admit a big part of why I don't even begin to buy into the gullible warming farce is the bold faces lies and utter contempt of any opinion not their own coming from the gullible warming crowd. When I saw them start comparing anybody who didn't agree to Hitler and portraying all scientists in agreement when that is anything but the actual truth it started becoming obvious. Thousands of scientists supposedly making up the UN body that we are supposed to practically worship being more like 52 scientists and the rest being people of questionable qualifications while lists of tens of thousands of scientists didn't count because they supposedly don't have qualifications makes it pretty clear to me there is so many reasons to QUESTION that the only smart thing to do is exactly that. And not only question but refuse to buy into one bit of what they are saying until at the very least they recognize that we are not somehow obligated to just take their word for it.

I was born at night but it was not last night. I trust only the people who have proven themselves trustworthy. I believe people only when I have reason to. I'm sorry but If you expect me to believe you just because you think I should you have another thing coming.

The lunatic Gore had an audiance with Obama? Oh man is Obama going to be embarrassed once he realises he's been had by the devil himself!

"Oil was once useful, but is no longer useful" Hmm. Do you drive to work in the morning? If so, still useful. Take a bus? Still useful. Like to eat food not out of your own garden? Still useful. Like to wear clothes you didn't make yourself? Still useful. Like to travel to grandmas house for Christmas (or pretty much travel anywhere for any reason)? Still useful. The list goes on.

Sooner or later (preferably sooner) people need to accept that we need the alternative to be completely viable before we move away from oil to it. I am all for moving to solar or a number of other technologies but the fact of the matter is we still need oil and it is still useful and the economy depends on it too much to move away from oil until that fully happens and at least one of the alternatives fully matures. Raising the price of oil through the roof and taxing people on the air they breath is only going to make things worse. Just look around you right now. Four dollar a gallon gas didn't help things much did it? Sure we started using less but look at what else happened along with that.

Having seen a few glaciers in person, they all have huge river melt flowing. Additionally, they have all been receeding for decades. Norway, British Columbia, New Zealand south island, all are shrinking dramatically. Ignore it, burn oil needlessly, puff up your chest in disbelief. We will probably all be dead when this is settled but why go out of your way to make it worse? Is your selfish politcal gambit worth it?

# 36:

I haven’t got time to answer all the questions you raised but two are quickly explained.

--The seas are cooling from all the glacial runoff & the arctic ice melt (Google up the “Younger-Dryas” period (Wikipedia probably has the easiest to understand). As the last glaciation ended an Ice Dam broke that allowed water to flow out the St Laurence Seaway (instead of the Mississippi). The cold water flowing into the N. Atlantic simulated a return to ice age conditions (mostly by shutting down the gulf stream) for that region, for about 1000 years, but it abated & we warmed up. How it will turn out this time - who knows???

--CO2 increasing from a warm-up is the result of more rapid decomposition (mostly plants - & more fires from the warming, just as we are seeing now), however the CO2, Or Methane, or some other gasses could have started the warm-up in the first place (and it doesn’t take much of an increase to start the feedback cycle). CO2 is a very well documented heat retention gas. Methane is 20 times worse and is apparently being released from the 'Permafrost Melt' (god help us if that one gets going), that is currently going on in the Arctic, along with the sea-ice melt.

----------Someone has not been telling you the whole story!