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Schilling's words bring response from Canseco

Sox pitcher called hypocrite and liar

Barry Bonds came under fire on HBO's 'Costas Now.' Barry Bonds came under fire on HBO's "Costas Now." (DINO VOURNAS/REUTERS)

CLEVELAND -- Former big leaguer Jose Canseco called Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling a "hypocrite and a liar" last night in response to Schilling saying on HBO's "Costas Now," which aired Tuesday night, "Everything [Canseco] ever did should be wiped clean. I think his MVP should go back and should go to the runner-up [former Sox outfielder Mike Greenwell]."

Canseco, reached at his home in Southern California, didn't take kindly to Schilling's words, at one point saying, "I guess it's just Curt being Curt." Canseco also lashed out at Schilling for his congressional testimony in March 2005, during which he said he had not seen steroid use in baseball.

"He lied before Congress and he was reprimanded for it," according to Canseco. "What a horrendous performance he put on with the spotlight on him in front of the whole world and he could have said something important. Of all people to be saying something like that. Are you kidding me? He's a complete hypocrite. Nobody takes him seriously. People around baseball all feel the same way about him.

"I could care less what Schilling thinks."

Also appearing on the HBO program, hosted by Bob Costas, was Patrick Arnold, a chemist who worked for the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, who said Barry Bonds and Gary Sheffield took performance-enhancing drugs provided to them by the laboratory.

Bonds took the unusual step of addressing the media before last night's game against the Braves in San Francisco to discount Arnold's accusations, saying, "I've never met that guy, I've never seen him in my life." Bonds also called Costas "a little midget man who doesn't know jack about baseball."

When asked by Congress in 2005 about baseball's steroid problem, Schilling said, "I think while I agree it's a problem, I think the issue was grossly overstated by some people, including myself."

Canseco also said there was no way of telling when steroid users, whom Schilling is in favor of stripping of their accomplishments, started taking the performance-enhancers. "How can you prove that?" said Canseco.

Canseco admitted in his book "Juiced" to taking steroids said he saw others take them, including Mark McGwire, who also testified before Congress in 2005.

Schilling was not in the Red Sox clubhouse after last night's loss to the Indians to respond to Canseco's comments. The righthander is scheduled to make a rehab start tonight for Pawtucket in Toledo.

Schilling defended his testimony before Congress in the HBO interview, saying, "When you're sitting in front of Congress and you're under oath, you'd better be damn sure if you're going to mention a name that you are 100 percent guaranteed sure somebody did something."

Schilling said in reference to Rafael Palmeiro, who also appeared that day before Congress and later tested positive for steroids: "The year he tested positive, nothing he did that year should count, which I think would take away 3,000 hits for him."

Schilling believes some players are still using performance-enhancing drugs.

"There were teams that had a subculture of it," he said. "Obviously, guys are still getting caught, which shows me that even with all of the safety nets in place, people are still doing it. My understanding is that steroids and [human growth hormone], one of the main benefits of them is regeneration. If I can show up Sept. 1 and feel April fresh, I've got a huge advantage, not just that day but on everybody. And I think that's why a lot of pitchers have been caught."

Arnold, meanwhile, is credited with creating "the clear," a previously undetectable steroid Bonds and Sheffield have denied knowingly using.

In 2006, Arnold was sentenced to three months in prison and three months of home confinement for pleading guilty to conspiring to distribute steroids. He didn't have to name names as part of his plea arrangement.

Schilling also said on the HBO program that the refusal of Bonds and McGwire to address steroid accusations is an admission of guilt. "If someone wrote that stuff about me and I didn't sue their [butt] off, am I not admitting that there's some legitimacy to it?" he asked Costas. Schilling later spoke about Kimberly Bell, Bonds's former mistress who claimed Bonds gave her $80,000 to buy a house from money he received from autograph sessions. Those earnings are being investigated because they might have been unreported to the Internal Revenue Service.

"If I wrote a book about Bob Costas and in that book I wrote about Bob Costas's girlfriend being on the road, and Bob Costas giving that girlfriend card show money and I outlined your daily steroid regimen, I've got to believe your first line of defense is to sue my [butt] off," Schilling said.

Material from the New York Times, Associated Press, and was used in this report.