Manny traded to Dodgers; Bay coming to Boston

I hope you're all happy. The Red Sox just became a less competitve team so that you don't have to listen to Manny anymore.

WHAT?!?!?!??!!?

Spill it!!! I can't wait any longer!

Manny to the Dodgers for Kemp!? Fingers are crossed... it's due time Coletti made a colossal mistake, isn't it?

I guess the Sox traded Manny and a big bag of pacifiers and diapers to whomever for a bag of balls and some new splinter resistant bats.

MLB.com also said that Jason Bay has gone to the Dodgers. I trust you though, Gordon!

I am all for it as I think Jason will be a better team mate and Fenway will suit him fine.

How come you couldn't break this story but SI.com could?

No leaks today?

Goodbye!!

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason Bay is gonna be huge here

Rosenthal says we gave up Brandon Moss, Craig Hansen and are paying all of Manny's deal. This is a horrible trade, I'd rather have taken the Marlins deal and not lost Moss and Hansen. We aren't winning the WS this year anyway but now we gave up a ton for Jason Bay. I'd rather have Hermeida, Moss, Hansen and whatever other prospect the Marlins would have thrown in than Bay. This is a pretty bad trade for the BoSox, the Pirates made out like bandits

Hansen, Moss, Manny and 7 million bucks for Jason Bay seems like a bad idea...

Alot to give up for a trade, but don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

There is a GOD!!!!!!!!
and his names not Manny

if true, then....YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't let the door hit ya on the way out, a@#!! on second thought, i hope it does!!

I'll miss you Manny.

Oh my god! What are they thinking????? Jason Bay..... for Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss, and Craig Hansen???? What an awful deal!

I wonder if that sore hamstring will be miraculously healed....

Most of us are probably glad to see him go, but let's face it. He gave us many years of fun, goofiness and some amazing baseball. This should be bitter-sweet.

Good riddance......I wish it happened after 04.....one of his teammates should have punched him in face a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago....

Jason Bay!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! GO YANKS!

Bye bye Manny. YOU caused this fallout. Enjoy LA. I can guarantee that you will look back at this and regret this whole situation. Ask Nomar how it's been since acting up and being traded?? Oh yea, the Sox have won 2 World Series since Nomar left....

Manny + Moss + Hansen > Bay

What the heck is Theo thinking? He gave up way to much if all the Red Sox got back is Bay. There has to be something everyone is missing. Theo should be fired if this is the actual deal.

Unbelievable and absolutely ridiculous. What a cry baby.

I know Manny had to go but with all the others problems of late, how does getting rid of Moss and Hansen as well for Bay only fix things?

The Red Sox management has weakened the team's positioning for post season play. A perennial All Star and future HOF'er, an up and coming outfielder and a decent middle man, which we have a shortage of, for one 30 year old slightly above average outfielder. A desperate, but not well thought out, trade!!

One of the worst trades in Boston sports history!

Is it me or did we just give up wayyyyy too much for Jason Bay? Nothing against him, but Manny, $9M, Moss and Hansen....

I don't know, not feeling so good about this one Theo.

Manny, how could you? Wow. What a sad day for Red Sox Nation.

To bad about the kids going.Hansen will turn his troubles and be an outstanding aquisition.Moss,who knows.But the primary want to shake Manny was essential,but I feel bad for Papi.He will miss Manny,indeed
I believe Jason Bay will be a great player for Boston.His numbers will only get better,because he'll see better pitches.I was impressed with him when he played in "The Classic" for his native Canadian team.He has a great attitude,proberly like Mike Lowell.........I will miss Manny.....he was some force,But he had to go.Antics burried him.Too much distraction,but I wish him well

Good luck Manny, and Good luck Red Sox Let's hope both parties thrive in the wake of their divorce...

I know we had to move Manny... but this was way too much to give up... worst deal Theo has made...

Extremely unimppressive haul for 3 guys...This week just keeps getting worse for Sox fans

if true, then....YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't let the door hit ya on the way out, a@#!! on second thought, i hope it does!!

He needed to go, BUT to give up Hansen and Moss, pay Manny's salary and not get back any bullpen help makes this a bad trade. Just hold on to him if that's all you could get. Let him go after the season and pick up the 2 picks. This season is over either way.

tata asshole!

"All you did here today was weaken a nation. That's all you did."

This is the most insane deal ever. Who is the superstar here Manny or Jason Bay? The Pirates have made a great trade. The Dodgers have taken a huge risk. The Red Sox just got robbed big time. Even if Manny had to be moved, please tell me how this was the most we could get back. Why did we have to put Hansen in this trade?

GOOD RIDDANCE! Don't let the door hit ya', pal!

Looks like Shaughnessy gets a little extra ketchup with his eggs tomorrow mroning.

Dear Globe,
Can you please publish the ransom note? Hansen, Moss AND $7 million out the door for Jason Bay?

Thanks for laying down, Manny. You facilitated the Sox being robbed.

I love the idea of getting Bay for Manny. I will miss Manny's production, but it was time. With that said, this seems like a lot to give up and it appears as if the Dodgers stole Manny. All they gave up with LaRoche and Morris for Manny? They also don't have to pay Manny's contract? They will also now probably get a sandwich pick when he signs this winter. Lastley, we traded Manny, Moss, Hansen, and we will pay Manny's contract for Jason Bay. A guy that last year hit 247 last year. (Granted that was an off year). Something doesn't sound right....

Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.

worst trade of all time....book it.

Don't get me wrong here, I know he had to go but sending Manny, Moss, Hansen and 7 million and in return only getting 1 player? I mean, we could have held on to him and gotten 2 sandwich picks next year. I cannot believe how messed up this is

The Dodgers (Joe Torre) made out like bandits.

The Red Sox ended up with the wrong guy - they should have gone after and obtained the Dodger's Matt Kemp. Kemp straight up on what we gave up.
Bray's numbers have been tailing off at the plate - and he doesn't hit the junk which he'll see a lot more of in the AL.

Based on what we know, it would have been better to just let Mannie finish out the year and then release him. He's going to end up in NY anyways. Now we've also lost Brandon Moss & Hansen. And we're paying Manny's salary.

Good riddance.

This makes sense in a number of ways. First and foremost, it fits with the way Francona has been building the team the past two years. Less driving the ball over the Yankee Stadium walls, more putting it in the Fenway gaps and manufacturing runs. Bay is faster and a better defensive player. It also opens the outfield into one of the best defensively in baseball (Coco, Ells and Drew/ Bay).

I loved Manny over the past five years and I'm going to miss Manny's antics, but it makes sense. I think the new question is, Who is going to sign Manny in the off season? New York looks like the best oppourtunity right? With Matsui maybe on the outs?

Did Theo Epstein and Bill James lose their minds today?

Red Sox give up:

Manny Ramirez
Pitcher Craig Hansen
Rookie right fielder Brandon Moss

The Red Sox also pay the remaining $7 million of Manny's salary this year.

Red Sox get:

Jason Bay

This is an outrage.

Manny will be sorely missed by this member of RSN. His antics and his behavior not withstanding Manny is a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer and he brought spunk, a fun loving personality, his very big bat to Fenway for the past 8 seasons. Jason Bay has enormous shoes to fill and I wish him all the best and I want nothing more than for him to come in and make an immediate impact with his new team but he will never be Manny Ramirez and he will never bring what Manny brought to this team.

From this member of Red Sox Nation to now, sadly, a former member of the Nation, Thanks Manny. Thanks for everything you did for this franchise. Thank you for your nearly 300 Home Runs you hit in a Red Sox Uniform. For the nearly 1200 RBI's you drove in in a Red Sox uniform, for the 2004 World Series MVP for bringing 2 World Series titles to our city. You are gone but we will be hard pressed to ever replace you. I sincerely hope that the number 24 will be retired ASAP by the Boston Red Sox and that some day Manny can be at peace with the organization so when Cooperstown comes calling Manny's plaque shows him wearing a Red Sox cap. Bravo Manny Ramirez. Thank you for everything. We will miss you!

incredible. only epstein would trade away manny f'ing ramirez during a playoff run.

Although I'm sorry to see this moment in Sox history, it truly was / is the best thing for the team. What goes on in the head of a professional athlete being paid 20 million dollars a year....$123,456 a GAME is beyond me. Mr. Ramirez is a disgrace to his team mates, to the Boston fans, to the game of baseball and to the competetive spirt of sports period. 20 million dollars a year and can't shut his mouth and fulfill his end of the huge contract he signed to begin with.

The number of crazy people in LA just increased by one......best of luck Joe Torre....you're going to have your hands full.

Two words....

EPIC FAIL

Whats going on with RS Management?

that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...

I wonder if his hamstring will be miraculously healed...

I admit, I will not only miss Manny...and I'm sorry to see him go. And yet....as a long suffering and long loyal fan of the Sox, I wasn't happy with the things he was saying about the team. I know he said he loved the fans here, and that's just great - we loved you too, Manny....and I am torn between depression and joy. Theo must be eating Tums like candy right now. Then again, I guess we could get him back when he becomes a free agent!!

We had to do something to shake things up. Adios Manny - I'll certainly miss you.

Wait I thought we were getting Brett Favre in return!

Moss AND Hansen???

Desperation....

the Dodgers gave up two prospects and dont have to pay Manny's salary, what a coup. Sox gave two prospect, Manny and his salary for Bay? Way too much.

We gave up alot to get Jason Bay. Sure hope getting Manny out of town was worth it -- though I can't see how.

Yes!! You broke the curse of the Bambino in 04, say hello to the curse of the Mannyno hahahahahaha,,, you'll never win again!!!

That seems like a lot for Boston to give up just to get Bay. (Of course, getting *rid* of Manny is part of the benefit.) Manny *and* Moss *and* Hansen?

Anyone else think the Pirates got the best of this deal?

bad enough the sox are paying for another team to reap the benefits of Manny's last 2 months before free agency, but to give up 2 major league players to boot..Does anyone thinks Boras was not totally behind this meltdown to force free agency so he can get paid...Panick move to unload Manny by Theo...where is the relief help back to the sox

Manny was a great player for the Red Sox but you know it shouldn't have ended this way. 7 1/2 years Manny spent with the Red Sox and I personally thank him for what he did for this team and that he helped bring those 2 world championships here. And i hope he was better luck somewhere else.

LADIES AND GENTELMEN

THE MANNY BEING MANNY ERA IN BOSTON HAS ENDED.

Thanks for the help with Championships, you chump.
I'll repeat what I heard today.
Retire Dewey Evan's #24 next year so that no one can sully the # again.

we gave up to much just to get rid of manny! the front office should have stuck it out the rest of the season. hanson and moss had to go just to get rid of the best player in the deal.

we gave too much to bay... why did we have to throw in moss and hansen? oh well i guess this is why i am not gm of the sox... i am happy to have bay.... lets go play ball...

Manny jogs to L.A. Welcome, Jason Bay.

Too bad we had to lose Moss and Hansen so that Herr Boras could milk a few more bucks out of Manny. I wonder if Manny will look back at this episode years from now and realize what a fool he was for his agent.

News flash Manny: You weren't going to get the $20 million anyway and now you've reduced your market worth considerably. Do you think Boras will compensate you for the 5-10 million per year you just lost?

Considering that they paid the remainder of Manny's contract, seems like they gave up a lot just to dump him and get something decent in return. But if Bay works out and produces it will likely be a solid move, assuming Hansen doesn't become a superstar, which he probably won't.

we gave too much to get bay... why did we have to throw in moss and hansen? oh well i guess this is why i am not gm of the sox... i am happy to have bay.... lets go play ball...

What a little B^%*H. Good riddens! Unfortunately though - the trade deadline is when teams make a last ditch effort to improve for a playoff push. Why do I feel that the Red Sox just took a few steps backward allowing the door to open for the yankees to climb into the wild card seat?

Sox gave up WAY TOO MUCH

This Trade Sucks

This is a terrible trade. While I agree Manny had to go a trade, even up, him for Bay would have been a steal for the pirates. To give up Hansem and Moss is highway robbery. Stupid, Stupid Stupid.

Atrocious.

Don't let the door hit you in the butt Manny. Thanks for your service, but time to go.

Why Moss and Hansen to the Pirates?? Glad to see Hansen go though.

Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.

Wow, this... is terrible. If the Sox gave up Manny (plus his 2 option years) plus Hansen PLUS Moss, and are presumably paying the remaining $7m of Manny's salary this year...

And they ONLY got Bay? Not Grabow too? That is WAY too much for Bay. He's a fine player and he's cheap next year, but damn that's a lot to give up for just him.

Well, I had hoped it wouldn't come to this.....but Manny the "man child" (and lets be honest...he is a child emotionally speaking) did his level best this time to get himself out of town. Also, lets remember he never wanted to be here in the first place. I'm sure we'll miss his monster bat and some of his milder antics.....but pushing a 65 year old man over tickets?!?!? Come on..that was the last straw for a lot of us. This kind of reminds me of the Carl Everett days. Everett...a man brimming with self confidence and was (for the most part) able to deliver the goods on the field. But for some athletes just going out and playing the game they are payed to play to the best of their abilty is just not enough. Everett made himself a big distraction by shooting off his mouth with all kinds of nonsensical ravings (dinosaurs didn't exist for example!!!) and being such a big pain in the rear that he managed to get himself shipped out pretty quickly. Admitttedly Carl Everett is no Manny Ramirez when it comes to stats. But, in the pain in the rear dept....pretty good matchup I'd say. Well, it's been fun for the most part Manny...but the fun is over for all of us now. Goodbye and good luck out there in McCourt country.

This sucks. Curly Haired Boy sucks (who do you harass now, Dan? Brady? Pierce?). Gorilla Boy sucks. And every moron who's thinks we have a better team without Manny sucks.

We are becoming the Yankees. The Sox should have been sold to Frank McCourt.

This can't be the complete trade right? Obviously the Sox got more back in return???

Glory!

... and the Jason Bay era in Boston begins.

Wait until you see what happens next!

Ummm . . . am I missing something, or did the Red Sox just get screwed? Giving up Manny, plus two promising players (Hansen and Moss) - and we get Bay? That's it? One guy?

Anyone know Bay's contract status? Hopefully he's under contract beyond this year.

Bottom line is the bullpen still stinks, they're going nowhere this year, and they gave up too much in this deal.

It's great that Manny's gone so we don't have to deal with whatever he had in store for us, but what are we supposed to do now? No Moss? He was going to be amazing! And have we helped the bullpen at all? Wasn't that one of our goals? Are they trying to destroy our present and future?

incredible. only epstein would trade away manny f'ing ramirez during a playoff run.

ok so they red sox get jason bay.. and they trade away 2 RHPs, whats the deal? i thought they were trying to get a better bullpen.. it seens like it just got worst... so what now? Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin is old, Okajima is not being the 07 killer, and Papelbon cant do everything.. i think it was pointless... Jason Bay is younger, faster, he is having a good season... but come on.. you will trade the yankee killer, the guy who brings fans to the stadium, the guy who can hit in a critical situation? not being a Theo hater here, but i dont see the point of this trade. Would it kill them to keep him for the rest of the season .. i dont think so..

Too bad we had to give up Moss too.

A thought just occured to me(I know, I might hurt myself.) A very nice byproduct of this deal is; we just got rid of 2 Scott Boras clients with 1 trade but...Dealing a bullpen guy? Last time I checked Francona was holding that bullpen together bubblegum and duct tape, or was I mistaken in that impression? Is trading away a guy of Hansen's talent (if not performance) a really good idea? I'm sure they've thought this through, they get paid the big bucks. I just thought that intereseting.

What happened to LHP Grabow in this deal?

ManySox fans I know have mixed feelings about Manny's departure but, it was time. Ultimately, he wrote his own ticket out of town. No doubt Scott Boras did not want the Sox to pick up the two $20 million options, because what he wants is a three, four or five years at $20 million or more per year, but, there was no reason Manny couldn't have shut up played out this year. Bygones.

Manny was a great player for the Red Sox but you know it shouldn't have ended this way. 7 1/2 years Manny spent with the Red Sox and I personally thank him for what he did for this team and that he helped bring those 2 world championships here. And i hope he was better luck somewhere else.

LADIES AND GENTELMEN

THE MANNY BEING MANNY ERA IN BOSTON HAS ENDED.

Isn't this a lot to give up? We only get Bay and have to give Manny, plus 2 other players, PLUS pay the remainder of Manny's 2008 salary?? I think they should've gotten someone else back as part of the deal or had the Dodgers pay out the rest of Manny's contract.

Not enough for a Hall-of-Fame hitter like Manny. Even if i he is a psycho sometimes.

manny rip in boston i will miss u

Live in Pittsburgh. Suffer with the Bucs... follow the Sox as well. Glad the Sox made this deal. Manny has been no better than Bay over the last three years... and the stats prove that point. Manny has a slightly higher average, but the power numbers are equal and Bay is six years younger, a better outfielder and has his head screwed on straight. Good luck Sox!

Time for Theo to Bust out the Gorilla costume again.

What a dork!

I know Manny was a distraction but...

Leaving the RedSox:
Cash ($7MM to LA))
Hansen (to Pirates)
Moss (to Pirates)
Manny (to LA)

Returning to the Red Sox:
Jason Bay

What am I missing?

By the way, any word on how Mr.Boras is involved. I am very suspicious that behind this drama is the puppet master who will receive a significant pay day after orchestrating this masterpiece.

Manny Bye.....

Pirates's GM done the jood job for this deal

lose Bay but got 4 prospects

that's a pretty biased poll. i have mixed feelings about this trade, but not because it's good to see manny gone. i accept that manny probably had to go, but i'm sorry to see it happen, and i think the price the sox paid was on the high side.

After this season manny will be a yankee kicking our butss.. hopefully, it is a good trade. did not seem like we got much.

that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...for everyone who wanted him to go, they'll be missing his bat and character in the long run...and hey sports writers and talking dopes (99% caucasian), you got your wish...you just ridiculed and booted out one of the most colorful and productive Sox ever....

The good news: Manny is happy. And gone.
The bad news: Everyone gave up too much.

What piggy bank was it necessary to rob in order to satisfy the Pirates? Seems to me they were the real winners here. And Jason Bay is the weaker, though younger, player.

Jason Bay '08 - AVG .282, OBP .375, SLG .519
Manny '08 - AVG .299, OBP .398, SLG .529

Now who hits in the 4-hole? Yikes. Don't like this trade, but it had to be done. Bye, Manny, and thanks, I think.

Good riddance Manny, you immature, disrespectful, baby

What a little B^%*H. Good riddens! Unfortunately though - the trade deadline is when teams make a last ditch effort to improve for a playoff push. Why do I feel that the Red Sox just took a few steps backward allowing the door to open for the yankees to climb into the wild card seat?

what a joke....three players gone for Jason Bay.

he is a head case,we had to give a lot at this time,sorry to see him go

Good riddance. Will we have as much hitting? Possibly not.

But will we ever have to put up with infantile behavior from a person making $20 million a year anymore this season? NO!!!

Thank you Red Sox. Thank you, thank you, thank you...

This is an awful deal. Today is a dark day in Red Sox trade history. Even if I could justify sending Hansen and Moss to the Dodgers PLUS Manny, why was it necessary for the Sox to pay the remainder of his salary??? RIDICULOUS!

Red Sox gave up too much. This is a horrible deal by Theo. I can't believe they gave up two big leaguers and manny.

Does this mean they had to throw in Hansen and Moss in order to get rid of Manny?

Good riddance.
Should have traded him years ago.
Now the good guys on the team can shine.

This deal stinks. The Red Sox give up a future hall of famer and two major leaguers for a good (but not great) outfielder. I'm no manny fan, but they should have come away with more than just Bay. Meanwhile, they still need bullpen help. The Pirates made out like bandits. Bad deal, Theo.

ok so they red sox get jason bay.. and they trade away 2 RHPs, whats the deal? i thought they were trying to get a better bullpen.. it seens like it just got worst... so what now? Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin is old, Okajima is not being the 07 killer, and Papelbon cant do everything.. i think it was pointless... Jason Bay is younger, faster, he is having a good season... but come on.. you will trade the yankee killer, the guy who brings fans to the stadium, the guy who can hit in a critical situation? not being a Theo hater here, but i dont see the point of this trade. Would it kill them to keep him for the rest of the season .. i dont think so..

Type your comment here...So effectively Hansen, Moss and Ramirez for Bay? That seems a little steep even if the Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary.

Moss AND Hansen???

Desperation....

i object to your lead, young fellow. This is nothing like the Nomar trade, which I strongly supported. Manny is still a productive slugger; Nomar was barely able to haul himself out to the field. We filled Nomar's spot with a better fielder and a reasonable hitter in Cabrera. We filled Manny's spot with a total joke, a guy who has not played in a big game in years and who has been declining in the last year or two. Nomar was a nice player in his prime. Manny was a huge player, a certain Hall of Famer who played a key role in winning us two long sought after World Championships. Manny demeans himself by comparing himself to Nomar, Manny is so much greater. There will be a lot of Red Sox fans who become Dodgers' fans because of this. And all because the vain Red Sox management had their feelings hurt because of Manny's recent antics. Terrible--and your lead just misleads the people reading the paper.

Good riddance to Ramirez! He is an embarrassment to Boston.

That seems like a lot for Boston to give up just to get Bay. (Of course, getting *rid* of Manny is part of the benefit.) Manny *and* Moss *and* Hansen?

Anyone else think the Pirates got the best of this deal?

Sad to see Manny go...he was a great player for the Sox and a great player to watch. Here's hoping that when Sox fans remember Manny's years in the future they'll remember the fun-loving easy-going player who could hit the snot out of the ball.

Good luck in L.A. Manny...

ok so they red sox get jason bay.. and they trade away 2 RHPs, whats the deal? i thought they were trying to get a better bullpen.. it seens like it just got worst... so what now? Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin is old, Okajima is not being the 07 killer, and Papelbon cant do everything.. i think it was pointless... Jason Bay is younger, faster, he is having a good season... but come on.. you will trade the yankee killer, the guy who brings fans to the stadium, the guy who can hit in a critical situation? not being a Theo hater here, but i dont see the point of this trade. Would it kill them to keep him for the rest of the season .. i dont think so..

AWFUL

A future Hall of Famer, World Series MVP, two other young players and cash and all we get back in return is Jason Bay?

Disgraceful.

Where's the reliever? Where's the shortstop? Disgraceful.

Well, Manny's gone. He's the cancer. So, now some of you are telling me that because Manny is gone Tek will suddenly hit .375, Lugo will make plays at shortstop and a centerfield will actually make a competent throw from the outfield.

Awful.

So effectively Hansen, Moss and Ramirez for Bay? That seems a little steep even if the Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary.

This deal stinks. The Red Sox give up a future hall of famer and two major leaguers for a good (but not great) outfielder. I'm no manny fan, but they should have come away with more than just Bay. Meanwhile, they still need bullpen help. The Pirates made out like bandits. Bad deal, Theo.

huge mistake -- watch Manny flourish against NL pitching & Bay mystified @ the plate...Theo's ego got the best of him in this situation

AWFUL

A future Hall of Famer, World Series MVP, two other young players and cash and all we get back in return is Jason Bay?

Disgraceful.

Where's the reliever? Where's the shortstop? Disgraceful.

Well, Manny's gone. He's the cancer. So, now some of you are telling me that because Manny is gone Tek will suddenly hit .375, Lugo will make plays at shortstop and a centerfield will actually make a competent throw from the outfield.

Awful.

Red Sox lost this trade by a mile, best player and best prospect both came from Boston. We only get back Bay...I'd have taken the Marlins deal easily over this one.

Manny Bye.....

Pirates's GM done the jood job for this deal

lose Bay but got 4 prospects

We have too many outfielder to start. It was better that we still have Coco Crisp. Getting the 20 million dollar BABY out of town was the right thing to do. He was poisoning the Club House!! With him out the team can focus better. Plus Hansen had more than his chance to prove himself and he didn't live up to what we expect him to do and how long can we wait? How long will Joe Torres put up with Manny Ramirez? Thanks to Borass and good luck getting that 100 million for 4 years and that was a lie from BORASS and he will not get the 20 million a year AGAIN. The Agent is in a panic mode because he will not see that money for Manny again. GOOD JOB THEO!!!

Now we have John Bay who WANTS to PLAY!!!!!! We need players that want play not whine!!!! Time to MOVE ON!!!!!!

And Hansen?

This is the most ridiculous deal I have ever seen.... We gave up way to much....

Thank the Lord! Goodbye troublemaker Manny, hello Jason. Just learn how to play the Monster and you'll do fine.

We have too many outfielder to start. It was better that we still have Coco Crisp. Getting the 20 million dollar BABY out of town was the right thing to do. He was poisoning the Club House!! With him out the team can focus better. Plus Hansen had more than his chance to prove himself and he didn't live up to what we expect him to do and how long can we wait? How long will Joe Torres put up with Manny Ramirez? Thanks to Borass and good luck getting that 100 million for 4 years and that was a lie from BORASS and he will not get the 20 million a year AGAIN. The Agent is in a panic mode because he will not see that money for Manny again. GOOD JOB THEO!!!

Now we have John Bay who WANTS to PLAY!!!!!! We need players that want play not whine!!!! Time to MOVE ON!!!!!!

To all the folks that think Manny was a "Yankee Killer". Have you seen his numbers recently? He's essentially a slower, sloppier malcontent version of Drew.
.300 hitters with 25 100 numbers are nice but not that rare. And certainly not worth blowing up the team for. Expect a winning streak.

The Manny that contended for batting titles isn't walking through that door anymore. The Manny that drove in 160 isn't......

You get the idea. Anybody still want Nomar or Pedro back? I hear Mo Vaughn is ripping up the Bridgeport beer leagues.

Maybe we should have traded Theo Epstein. How can you trade a Hall of Famer like Manny Ramirez during a Pennant Chase? For who??????? This is certainly a sad day in Red Sox Nation. Manny deserved better from the management. There could have been a better way to resolve any issues they had. We are a much weaker team without Manny. There is more undercurrent here than meets the eye and the Red Sox are done for this year, sad to say. Good Luck in LA Manny, I think I will root for Joe Torre, Nomar and the Dodgers now. What have you done for me lately?

Way to go Theo!!......Manny wore out his welcome....no two ways about it, and his moods and antics were starting to cause problems with the team....it was time for him to go. Bay looks like he should be able to fit right in with the Sox current lineup, and should probably end up seeing better pitches, since he will now be hitting behind Big Papi. defensively, I think we've gotten ALOT better! As for Hansen.....no great loss there, as he wasn't doing it.

Overall......Good move considering the circumstances!! GO SOX!!!!!

Addition by subtraction.

Anyone who is unhappy earning ONLY $20,000,000/year playing a game is a sick, sick human being. And shoving a 64-year-old man because he didn't get you enough tickets - truly loathsome.

Manny, you are a disgusting pig.

Are you kidding me? There was a time when Theo only made shrewd moves. But we give up a first ballot Hall of Famer (despite his issues) PAY his salary, AND give up young talent and get Jason Bay?

When you trade a Hall of Famer aren't you supposed to GET more than you give?

Or am I missing something?

I'm happy. Welcome Jason Bay.

too much to give up...the dodgers are the clear winners here. hands down they gave up nothing and got a hall of famer

My math does not work any more. Is it Manny + Hansen + Moss > Hansen + Moss + Bay. What a pity!

Terrible, did we give them money too? Maybe we could throw in some babysitting too.

Basically we traded Manny for Laroche and a no name minor leaguer? Crazy.

We'd been better off letting manny go at the end of the year, offering arbitration (which he wouldn't take) and getting a couple awesome draft picks instead. Worked for Pedro, which netted us something like Ellsbury and Bucholz, i think.

2 great draft picks + $$ + Moss + Hansen for Bay? No way!

So we traded Manny Ramirez, Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss for Jason Bay? Are you kidding me? That's a lot of talent for a career .281 hitter who has only hit above .300 once.
The Manny situation must have been a lot worse than everyone thought for the Sox to be willing to give up so much just to be rid of him.

Sad to see Manny go...he was a great player for the Sox and a great player to watch. Here's hoping that when Sox fans remember Manny's years in the future they'll remember the fun-loving easy-going player who could hit the snot out of the ball.

Good luck in L.A. Manny...

So effectively Hansen, Moss and Ramirez for Bay? That seems a little steep even if the Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary.

Ok settle it down. First off this isn't Manny et al for Bay. Manny was GONE next season no matter what and we added a potential all-star. I would have liked to see Grabow thrown in this deal but Manny would have shut it down and refused to help us win if we didn't make the move. We'll get Texeira or another big bat in the offseason as we continue to build the pen. This is a fine move going forward and if Bay doesn't work out he's gone after 2009. Wasn't anyone still harboring illusions of a 2008 WS before this deal?!

Red Sox lost this trade by a mile, best player and best prospect both came from Boston. We only get back Bay...I'd have taken the Marlins deal easily over this one.

We shouldn't reward players for acting out. Ramirez wanted out of his option years so he could get more guaranteed money, so he started acting like a baby and we rewarded him for it!

If ownership has to honor contracts, so should players!

We just lost one of the greatest baseball players of all time. SHAME on the curly haired girlfriend and the hate mongers of Sports radio.

Kiss our chances for a playoff bid - Shame on you Sox ownership. John Henry how could you let this happen - what did the true fans get for their loyalty? Nothing - you allowed this to happen.

we had to pay someone.... money and with young talent.... TO TAKE ONE OF THE BEST HITTERS OF ALL TIME????? how does this even come close to making sense?
and don't give me that addition by subtraction line, we could have benched manny for the rest of the year, made no trades and been a better team than we will be now. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? Theo obviously did...

Manny was a great player for the Red Sox but you know it shouldn't have ended this way. 7 1/2 years Manny spent with the Red Sox and I personally thank him for what he did for this team and that he helped bring those 2 world championships here. And i hope he was better luck somewhere else.

LADIES AND GENTELMEN

THE MANNY BEING MANNY ERA IN BOSTON HAS ENDED.

It's too bad the Sox didn't trade Hansen and Youkilis for Mr. T. before he went to the Angels. His bat would have fit into Manny's #4 spot.

we wuz robbed!

I like GUSTER!

So happy to hear that Manny is gone! Had enough of his antics!

I have opened my first bottle of Manny being Manny Merlot from the charity case I bought, and it tastes as good as I feel about this trade. Manny is a first ballot HOF'er with zero class. If any of my employees were half as disrespectful as he has repeatedly been, they would not have a job. I'm sad we had to lose Moss and Hansen, and Bay will fit into a 4 man outfield rotation, but Manny had to go.

Looking forward to pitching him high and tight when he's with the yankees next year (or will his knees be hurting when the Sox come to town?)

Goodbye Manny, hope you find some respect in La-La land.

As an NL Central fan, I guarantee that you will all be singing Bay's praises within three weeks. Not to say this was a great deal - I have no idea how those two prospects got squeezed from Boston. Bay, though, is a solid player and a solid citizen. You'll get similar production and a lot less attitude.

Wow, our once overload of young outfield talent (Murphy, Moss, Ellsbury) is almost all gone and Ellsbury is looking more human than ever.

Manny was already gone. Pretty obvious that he did not want to be in Boston and that he was not going to play if he did not feel like it. He needed to go. So Jason Bay for Hansen and Moss. Only time will tell if this is a good trade. Not many good hitting young outfielders available.

you people saying good riddance and badmouthing Manny should be ashamed. I didn't hear you hypocrites trashing him while he was leading us to WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. Isn't that the only goal that matters? who cares if he was a baby? without him we would still be loveable losers, is that what you all want? If you can't appreciate what he did for the sox then you dont deserve to call yourselves fans

Thank god! He's an amazing player but he has been sending too much negative energy to the whole team! He may of helped the Sox win the series but it is a whole team effort! I believe we will see the Sox get out of this losing streak now that he is gone! It's unfortunate really because he is an idol to many of young ball players but do we really want to teach our children poor sportsmenship....the guy is making $20 mil a year for crying out loud!

This was a terrible trade for the Red Sox. They get a right handed JD Drew for the greatest right handed batter in the game. How do you give away Manny, Brandon Moss, and Craig Hansen and just get Jason Bay in return. No bullpen help? C'mon Theo, you could have gotten more.

I understand the desire and perhaps need to trade Manny but let me get this straight: they get Jason Bay for essentially Manny, Brandon Moss, Craig Hansen, and 7 million dollars?? Wow!! That's an awfully steep price. If they had to include Moss and Hansen I would've thought they'd have gotten a relief pitcher back in the deal as well.

They're letting him become a free agent??? Ruh-Roh!!! Boy, they must really, really be sick of him to let the deal go down that way! Sad. So much talent, such a head case...

I know we had to move Manny... but this was way too much to give up... worst deal Theo has made...

"All you did here today was weaken a nation. That's all you did."

Too much...
Sox gave up too much for Bay. They didn't even get a reliever.

incredible. only epstein would trade away manny f'ing ramirez during a playoff run.

Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.

Who else just feels slightly discomforted by this? I know this deal had to happen, but at what cost? Jason Bay who has played for the PIrates for last 7 years is coming in the middle of the hunt for October in the AL East playing at Fenway Park. I just don't see this guy hitting the ground running.... but i'm also glad to see Manny go and all of the bull and stunts he's pulled over the years. No-more drama!

what a disgustingly lopsided trade
sox don't do anything to bolster the bulpen
bay for Manny straight up would have been lopsided enough, but instead we throw in our backup OF and a young hard throwing reliever that at one point was a top prospect.
possibly the worst trade Theo has made here... and boy has he made some bad ones

Good luck Manny, and Good luck Red Sox Let's hope both parties thrive in the wake of their divorce...

its between the yanks and the rays now. EVIL EMPIRE wins again!!!!!

Gave up a bit too much....but that shows how DESPARATE the sox were to get rid
of that problem child in Manny

"There will be a lot of Red Sox fans who become Dodgers' fans because of this. "

That's just silly. You root for the front of the jersey, not the back.

thank god - this is the best deal theo ever "had" to make...

They're letting him become a free agent??? Ruh-Roh!!! Boy, they must really, really be sick of him to let the deal go down that way! Sad. So much talent, such a head case...

Manny hasn't been the same since he had to stop taking steroids, and speed.. just like his boys Nomar, and Derick Lowe.. he can fade into oblivion out there in LA ... Nomar goes.. D lowe goes.. world series come... I think the ownership of the Red Sox know a little more about baseball then the burger flippers that are crying about manny leaving.. the fact is you traded a superstar on the way down.. for a superstar on the way up .. and even with the 7 million you have to lay out for manny in the long run it cost the team less ... And forget about hansen .. he hasn't been the same since he got pounded by the yankees two years ago.. and moss .. come on.. brandon who? .. the sox are a better "team" without manny ...

the dodgers and pirates got the WAY better end of this deal and the red sox got completely jipped off. their must have been a serious urgency to get rid of manny for this deal to have gone down

We don't need no stinkin problems. He wanted to go, so it's don't let your you-know-what hit the door on the way out. Anyone else want to leave?

I'm still in shock that this just happened. It wont be the same team talking the field tomorrow...

WE WILL MISS YOU MANNY (2004 and 2007 would never have happened without you)

Are you kidding me? There was a time when Theo only made shrewd moves. But we give up a first ballot Hall of Famer (despite his issues) PAY his salary, AND give up young talent and get Jason Bay?

When you trade a Hall of Famer aren't you supposed to GET more than you give?

Or am I missing something?

Bay gets Big Papi to hit behind him and protect him, Lowell will play and bat behind Big Papi, and bat against the pitchers who throw 95+, we get improved defense, baserunning, attitude, and Daniel Bard to replace Hansen, plus Carter to replace Moss. Common, who wants a guy who doesnt want to be here no more!! Lets see what Manny does in Dodger Stadium, no more wall to protect him, and his defense in big Dodger leftfield will show its true colors, plus the Sox have almost $30 million saved up for offseason recoup with a free agent splash, get and stay young !

Great news! Maybe the Sox can move forward with a more positive attitude. Manny being Manny just doesn't cut it. Selfish attitude putting himself above team. Glad he is gone!!

lets usher in the era of "Jason being Jason"

Can honestly say the only part of this deal that stunned me, and it was a whopper, was finding out the "two players" were Hansen and Moss. I figured A prospects. This is a No. 1 pick and a guy who was supposed to be the next power threat.
Three things very clear:
1) The team turned on Manny.
2) The sox lost all confidence in Hansen.
3) Moss probably hurt the most, but they must have seen him as a fourth-of type.
And the most important point: What a sad testimony that Rameriz went from the likable guy in spring training to the guy the team couldn't stomach for two more months. What a shame on his legacy in Boston.

How much is left on Bay's contract?

Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.

Great trade. Theo got a very capable player in return for Manny.

Let's be honest ... Moss was an average player - nothing special - with no great up-side. As for Hansen - he couldn't find the plate on a good day. The only good outing he had all season was recently plunking A-Rod at Fenway.

Paying 7 million for Manny's exit is money well spent - because, the distraction is finally gone. No more headaches for the fans, the team or its management. And ... Jason Bay comes to us at a very fair price.

Good work Theo ...........

JASON BAY IS ALL THEY GET WHAT A WASTE...WHERE IS THE MIDDLE RELIEF PITCHING THAT WE NEED SO BAD, AT LEAST HANSON WAS GOOD EVERY 3RD OUTING , A CATCHER OR SHORTSTOP .

Fabulous!!

We needed to change the team's morale.

Ummm... didn't we need bullpen help? So we trade Hansen away? A guy Theo wouldn't have given up for Roy Oswalt a year or two ago?

The Sox just got a lot weaker. I will enjoy watching the 2008 ALCS: NYY vs LAA... put on your Angels red people.

This is the most insane deal ever. Who is the superstar here Manny or Jason Bay? The Pirates have made a great trade. The Dodgers have taken a huge risk. The Red Sox just got robbed big time. Even if Manny had to be moved, please tell me how this was the most we could get back. Why did we have to put Hansen in this trade?

worst trade of all time....book it.

I love the idea of getting Bay for Manny. I will miss Manny's production, but it was time. With that said, this seems like a lot to give up and it appears as if the Dodgers stole Manny. All they gave up with LaRoche and Morris for Manny? They also don't have to pay Manny's contract? They will also now probably get a sandwich pick when he signs this winter. Lastley, we traded Manny, Moss, Hansen, and we will pay Manny's contract for Jason Bay. A guy that last year hit 247 last year. (Granted that was an off year). Something doesn't sound right....

You know how, when you have an employee that is disruptive to the rest of the organization, that employee becomes the first thing you think of when you awake.

A friend calls it someone you shower with that you don't want to shower with. Well, John Henry doesn't have to shower with Manny anymore.

July 1 I gave a friend an autographed print of Manny stepping out of the green Monster. In less than a month I am ashamed of my gift. I told him to sell it after Manny is inducted into the Hall in a Red Sox uniform.

This is an awful deal. Today is a dark day in Red Sox trade history. Even if I could justify sending Hansen and Moss to the Dodgers PLUS Manny, why was it necessary for the Sox to pay the remainder of his salary??? RIDICULOUS!

Is that all we got?

Does any body know whats left on Bay's contract

This sucks. Curly Haired Boy sucks (who's left to harass Danny? Brady? Pierce?). Theo sucks.

So... am I missing something here? The Sox gave up 3 players (one of enormous value, one who could someday be great and a reliever in need of seasoning) and got one above average player in return? Where is the middle/late innings reliever they desperately need? Seems a bit imbalanced to me...

that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...

It is a horrible deal. We gave up a future Hall of Famer and we didn't get someone of comparable skill nor a relief pitcher in return!! What a waste. You give up a guy like that it better be worth it. Say goodnight Red Sox.

Yes!! You broke the curse of the Bambino in 04, say hello to the curse of the Mannyno hahahahahaha,,, you'll never again!!!

Awesome. Manny, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Maybe one day he'll grow up, but it won't be here.

terrible, disgustingly lopsided trade

add it to the list of amazing trades Theo is known for

Can honestly say the only part of this deal that stunned me, and it was a whopper, was finding out the "two players" were Hansen and Moss. I figured A prospects. This is a No. 1 pick and a guy who was supposed to be the next power threat.
Three things very clear:
1) The team turned on Manny.
2) The sox lost all confidence in Hansen.
3) Moss probably hurt the most, but they must have seen him as a fourth-of type.
And the most important point: What a sad testimony that Rameriz went from the likable guy in spring training to the guy the team couldn't stomach for two more months. What a shame on his legacy in Boston.

goodbye 2008 season...

Manny has definitely been one of the best players the Red Sox have had this decade and his effectiveness, production, clutch-playoff-performance, character and energetic spirit will be missed and un-replaced...

I just hope Red Sox Nation always hold great respect for one of the best hitters in the game

I also hope Papi's production as a now #4 hitter isn't affected as much as I think it'll be

We'll miss you Manny , good luck. Looks like the new most lethal combination in baseball is "Ortiz and Bay". Doesn't have the same ring to it. Dodgers are a lock for the NL West now.

No Grabow or other middle reliever coming back? I like Bay, but without a middle reliever, how are we stronger?

Just shows you how much value Manny has right now. Sox give up a couple of players that could be in the bigs for the next 10-15 years, just to take Manny of their hands. Dodgers give up a couple of players not in their plans and the Pirates get 4 for 1. There will be some high expectations for Jason Bay. Hopefully hitting in the middle of a veteran line-up he can put up some good numbers. Well at least the Sox got something. It could get worse. I see Manny in NY next year wearing pinstripes as the Yankees DH.

that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...for everyone who wanted him to go, they'll be missing his bat and character in the long run...and hey sports writers and talking dopes (99% caucasian), you got your wish...you just ridiculed and booted out one of the most colorful and productive Sox ever....

This deal makes no sense. We trade a future Hall of Famer and we don't get a player of equal value nor a relief pitcher!! What a waste. Say goodnight Red Sox.

really smart on the part of the redsox
giving 3 players away
theo your really a joke great job
now we can sit back and watch the yanks and rays run away with it

The good news: Manny is happy. And gone.
The bad news: Everyone gave up too much.

What piggy bank was it necessary to rob in order to satisfy the Pirates? Seems to me they were the real winners here. And Jason Bay is the weaker, though younger, player.

Jason Bay '08 - AVG .282, OBP .375, SLG .519
Manny '08 - AVG .299, OBP .398, SLG .529

Now who hits in the 4-hole? Yikes. Don't like this trade, but it had to be done. Bye, Manny, and thanks, I think.

terrible, disgustingly lopsided trade

add it to the list of amazing trades Theo is known for

Manny played Red Sox management like violins.........he got just what he wanted....free agency. Manny wins Red Sox lose...it's all about Manny.

Goodbye Manny, hope you find some respect in La-La land.

Amazing how there's no mention of Bay's 2007 numbers (which were not so good), yet there is mention of '05 and '06 (which were superb). I love the Globe, but please... we don't need this blog to be the Red Sox Media Guide. How about full disclosure for everyone to see so they can analyze the trade fairly.

Good riddance. Will we have as much hitting? Possibly not.

But will we ever have to put up with infantile behavior from a person making $20 million a year anymore this season? NO!!!

Thank you Red Sox. Thank you, thank you, thank you...

I feel sorry for Joe Torre. . .

Great move. Manny was a cancer that needed to be cut out as soon as possible.

Maybe deep down Manny isn't a bad guy (though anyone who shoves a 64-year old man to the ground because he didn't supply enough tickets is a complete jerk - and I'm being polite), but his antics the last few weeks have been completely unacceptable.

Addition by subtraction.

Boras is the only one who makes any money out of this. If Manny actually thinks he's going to get $25 million per year in free agency he's chugging some mighty powerful koolaid.

Newsflash: Manny was not going to be exercised for 09 or 10 anyway. All this stunt earns him is a loss of a cool 5-10 million per year on whatever contract he's lucky enough to get.

But Boras got to milk the cow one more time. So I guess it was worthwhile for someone.

Jason Bay '08 - AVG .282, OBP .375, SLG .519 (all in the NL no AL experience)
Manny '08 - AVG .299, OBP .398, SLG .529
Now who hits in the 4-hole? Yikes. Don't like this trade, but it had to be done. Bye, Manny, and thanks, I think.
Posted by summerof6

wow is this board full of Manny haters that are so blinded by the curly hair boyfriend,the globe that they can't see the differences between a HOF'r and a regular outfielder(ooh and hey Manny had the most outfield assist in Fenway..look that up now watch out for bay miss playing every wall carom). Manny we will miss you man.

ps no Big Papi has no protection THANK YOU MORONS

Look, they weren't going to keep Manny so they wanted to get something for him. I'm a little shaky on including Hansen because of the state of the bullpen. However, I'm not all that convinced he would ever shine in Boston. There was no room in the OF for Moss so that doesn't bother me so much either.

I don't think Theo could've done better, everyone KNEW they wanted to get rid of him in the worst way. Once your hand is tipped that way, you have no real bargaining power. They got what they thought they could get and made a tough call. It may work, it may not but there it is.

We still have a chance at the playoffs and if we get in who knows...I'm already looking to next year, are we gonna resign Tek? Will Boras work with us...probably not. Whose gonna catch? How will Theo address the bullpen? Will kids like Bowden, Lowrie, Masterson and Bucholz all take the next step? Can John Lester continue to improve and stay what he's become, one the most dominant lefties in the AL right now? Next year will be interesting, this year is a crapshoot.

we had to pay someone.... money and with young talent.... TO TAKE ONE OF THE BEST HITTERS OF ALL TIME????? how does this even come close to making sense?
and don't give me that addition by subtraction line, we could have benched manny for the rest of the year, made no trades and been a better team than we will be now. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? Theo obviously did...

Anyone that thinks this trade is bad doesn't know anything about baseball.. Since Manny had to stop taking steroids, and speed his numbers have gone way down.. we traded a marginal relief pitcher... a perenial minor leager, and got a 29 year old Allstar with 22 homers compaired to manny's 20 ...and more rbi then manny.. manny was on the way down.. just like Nomar.. the fact is since the new ownership took over they've won two world titles... I think they know a lot more about baseball then any of you burger flipers that never made it past tee ball.. see manny.. have fun in LA with Nomar,, and Derik Lowe... remember them.. how have they done since they left... move on.. and get ready for another title in 08

Goodbye Manny, hope you find some respect in La-La land.

I understand the desire and perhaps need to trade Manny but let me get this straight: they get Jason Bay for essentially Manny, Brandon Moss, Craig Hansen, and 7 million dollars?? Wow!! That's an awfully steep price. If they had to include Moss and Hansen I would've thought they'd have gotten a relief pitcher back in the deal as well.

great job theo the joker
you gave away 3 players for what
nothing
great job
lets see what other smart things you can do to mess this team up
lets all watch the YANKS AND RAYS RUN AWAY WITH THE EAST
THANKS MANNY WE STILL LOVE YA

Agreed. It looks like a bad trade. The Pirates just milk us. 2 major league ready players(Hanses & Moss), $7M, Manny being Manny for Jason Bay.

The yankees got Nady and Marte for 4 mid-level prospects. Did the Pirates correct their error with the yankees by milking the redsox nation.?

Time will tell but on first inspection this appears to be an astute well considered trade. First off, there are few hitters who can match ManRam's patience and eye at the plate. That being said the BoSox get a proven strong presence at the plate; a player who respects the game and his team mates and is under contract. A response to a problem is sound if it addresses what is wrong and does not create any new problems in its wake. Now if the Sox could somehow strengthen their middle relief difficulties we might have reason to hope for something beyond September. Aren't pennant races great.? You can bet they're not having this discussion in Seattle or San Diego.

Bay gets Big Papi to hit behind him and protect him, Lowell will play and bat behind Big Papi, and bat against the pitchers who throw 95+, we get improved defense, baserunning, attitude, and Daniel Bard to replace Hansen, plus Carter to replace Moss. Common, who wants a guy who doesnt want to be here no more!! Lets see what Manny does in Dodger Stadium, no more wall to protect him, and his defense in big Dodger leftfield will show its true colors, plus the Sox have almost $30 million saved up for offseason recoup with a free agent splash, get and stay young !

The Red Sox were not in a position of leverage so I expected this to happen.

So everyone crying over Moss and Hansen I just did not see these players have that much of an impact.

Moss was at best our 4th outfielder and if he became the starting left fielder we would have been in trouble. He is a starter on a small market team. I think his ceiling is .275 25 80 maybe.

Hansen needed a change in scenery and did not look to be turning it around for us anytime soon.

Great trade. Theo got a very capable player in return for Manny.

Let's be honest ... Moss was an average player - nothing special - with no great up-side. As for Hansen - he couldn't find the plate on a good day. The only good outing he had all season was recently plunking A-Rod at Fenway.

Paying 7 million for Manny's exit is money well spent - because, the distraction is finally gone. No more headaches for the fans, the team or its management. And ... Jason Bay comes to us at a very fair price.

Good work Theo ...........

I do not for one moment understand and wailing and hand-wringing over Hansen and Moss. First of all, where is Moss going to play in Boston? that's the reason he was in Pawtucket! He was blocked in Boston. And guess what - the Sox are neck-deep in outfield prospects. The only position where they're better off is pitcher. And Hansen - sheesh, I had high hopes for the guy, but with Masterson in the bullpen there was no place for him. His ERA is over 5, for heaven's sake.

If they'd given up Bowden or Bard or Lowrie, then you might have cause to complain. But a kid who had no chance of cracking the lineup and another who made you cover your eyes every time he came out of the bullpen? That's "too miuch to give up"? Ridiculous.

The way I see it is that this trade comes down to Hansen and Moss for Bay. The Sox were so fed up with Manny they gave him away to the Dodgers. And I won't complain about that....finally we are done with this jerk.

A fifth outfielder, an end of the roster reliever, and a star on the decline who's causing trouble for Jason Bay. Good move.

Let's flashback to 2004. I bet we see the exact same comments. waaaah we lost Nomar for a backup 1b and a ss who has never played the big time. Bay will rake ,. and this team is about to go on a huge tear just like 04.

Short of Pujols or A-Rod there probably isn't another hitter out there that Sox fans would find to be comparable value in return. I think the Sox did alright getting Jason Bay because the Red Sox sortof had no choice; what if he had stayed and then just mailed it in for the rest of the season? He's fully capable of not playing hard as we've seen. If he doesn't want to be here, then it's probably best that he be gone. Tito's going to miss Manny's bat but I think his job just got a little less stressful (which is a good thing, too, as Tito isn't in the best of health).

About Hansen and Moss: Hansen hasn't really shown much except potential. Don't know much about Moss. But again, the Sox didn't have much choice. The Pirates made out pretty well, though, getting four players for Bay. And now Torre has to deal with Manny being Manny!

Aside from the McCormick incident that I find inexcusable, I cannot find much else to justify fans’ positive reaction to this trade. Manny did a lot for the Red Sox and Boston fans but gratitude has never been a virtue around here. Ok, Manny has the tendency of being a bit slow off the box but he has manny (pun intended) other redeeming qualities and the numbers show it. And nobody knows for sure that his leg did not hurt. This situation is the result of a long media campaign to discredit a great player and a team that is shortsighted to realize at times what the best business decision really is. Teams do not trade players like many (for more on this read Torre’s comments), they embrace them and make them feel at home. Now you have it, Manny is gone; and it is sad to see. Nothing personal against Jason Bay but he is no Manny Ramirez and he will never be. In fact, very few are like Manny and that is why he is headed to the HOF, Curt Schilling knows it and that is why he does not like him. Would the Red Sox make a run for the championship? Nobody knows. One thing is sure: Rays, Yankees and every other possible contender from the central and west are in stitches right now looking at this trade. Common sense, where were you when I needed you the most?

Pitching?

Pitching anyone?

Ahh, don't we need pitching?

Couldn't someone have thrown in a pitcher?

Ugh.

It's actually two months of Manny playing at 50% (you could never pick up that option and deal with his whining again next year), $7MM, Hansen and Moss for Bay (who is signed for two years). That's actually pretty strong. I think people underestimate how hard it is to get rid of a guys who is so checked out and focused on the next payday. Don't forget that Manny agreed to this trade only if the Dodger's agreed not to pick up his option - that's not a guy you want down the stretch or next year and all the GMs know it.

Pitching?
Pitching anyone?
Ahh, don't we need pitching?
Couldn't someone have thrown in a pitcher?
Ugh.

Why are the Bucs and the Sox so desparate?! The Dodgers are getting Manny for FREE (the two non-prospects to the Bucs don't count)! I guess since they didn't need a fourth outfielder they basically had to have it given to them that way.

Manny was NOT the problem that the Sox are tanking of late. It is their PITCHING. Why is Gorilla Guy wasting his time on solving the WRONG PROBLEM?

For that matter why hasn't the brain trust figured out what makes great atheletes like Manny tick? This is PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. They are all full of themselves. This whole "I don't want to play here" stuff is garbage.

So you can look at Manny's stats and honestly tell me he is not in a decline...
It may not have been a situation like nomar, but he is a disruptive figure, and its better that he is gone.
It's not because of the management, Everyone is sick of "Manny being Manny", and all the players are sick of covering for him..

Name one who is defecting to the dodgers, im not!

Tex to Angels (++for Angels)

Jr to Chiago south side (++WS)

Bay to RS?!?!?! for Man Ram, Hansen and Moss (oh boy)

Numbers
Bay vs Pettie .421 w/1.184OPS avg vs .416 w/1.140OPS
Vs Evil empire Bay .362/412/.532/,944 Avg/OBP/SLG/OPS
The MAN .367/.429/.604/1.34
This is with 47 vs 316 AB

Vs Rays
Bay .200/.283/.425/.708
Man.203/.313/.355/.688
This with 40 vs 138

0 Rings vs 3 Rings
0 WS MVP vs 1 MVP
1 Rookie of Year vs ? place in vote.

0 high five and assist vs entertainment value while performing job.

Career
Bay .281/.375/.515/.891
Manny .312/.409/.590/.999

Watching Papi’s back
Bay (laugh track here)
Manny (The American league heaves sigh of relieve)

Wonder boy
+on Noma with health and production, Petie same
Manny? Still out

I don't want a World Series title if it hinges on a guy who bullies everyone from the owners to the traveling secretary. Manny said "peace of mind has no price"...Integrity is worth a lot more than a "big bat".

The TEAM won the title in 2004 and the TEAM won the title in 2007. One guy who sits down and causes all this pain to those who have done nothing but support him...HE doesn't deserve this TEAM or this fan base.

Good riddance!

I suppose we can't expect people who play a children's game to act like adults. There's a name for letting a spoiled brat continue to act like a spoiled brat just to avoid annoying him: it's called "enabling" and the Sox have done far too much of it. I'm sorry to see Manny's bat go, but I wish Joe Torre and the Dodgers luck dealing with him in the Ego Capital of the World!

Apparently the Sox let Kevin McHale be the GM for a day.

For all you worrywarts out there,just ask yourselves this-
what have Nomar & Pedro done since they left??
The key to a good trade is getting rid of a player ready to break down before he does.
Anyway,you have to cut out the cancer to cure it...........

The Yankees have turned their back -- so far -- on the cancerous Bonds and I can only hope they see Manny in the same light. The reason the Yanks have sucked in the past few years is they have replaced character players like Paul O'Neill and Scott Brosius with "me" guys like A-Rod, who put up MVP numbers but choke in the clutch. Still, Yankee fans are glad to see Manny heading to the other league. He wore us out.

I'm sure the faithful fenway will become dogers fans because of this, one player isn't going to change long time fans' mind... get a clue. The red sox take a chance of conceding this season.. but will have a lot more money to play with in free agency next year.

Thanks for the memories Manny.
The only question left will Joe Torre cut off your hair?

ATTENTION BOYS AND GIRLS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN....MANUEL RAMIREZ HAS LEFT FENWAY...and to the folks worried about Bay, his numbers are basically the same as Manny's (with Bay's average being 17 below Manny's) isn't really all that bad. Besides the pitching in the National League is tougher than most A.L. pitching, so I think Bay will fit in nicely. Besides, with hitters like Youk, Pedroia, and Drew, you could use one of those three to be a protector for Papi. The loss of Hansen wasn't surprising for the fact he wasn't proving himself very well in Boston. Moss, while it was early in his career, he wasn't going to get the playing time he needed in Boston. As for Manny, we didn't deserve a Multi-Millionaire whiner in Left Field...and maybe you can con Hollywood, but you couldn't con us. Thanks for the two Championships, but don't let the door hit you on the way out..

Manny needed to go. He begged for it and got what he wanted. Fine. Buh-bye.

He was poison. Period. Bad hair and bad vibes. Buh-bye.

Look at the last five games. Notice the lackluster vibe all around? Thank Manny.

Mark my words, there is more to this than meets the eye. They gave up a ton to get rid of him. Wonder why?

I think the team is better off but agree the bullpen may kill it for us this year.

All in all Manny was totally unprofessional of an on during his entire tenure in Boston.

I still can't figure out why they didn't lasso his attitude years ago and get him out of town in 2006 with the crap he pulled then.

He is a natural born hitter but what is his whole game worth?

Tanking on groundouts.... badmouthing ownership... shoving the help...slapping Youk?!?!?!?

Buh-bye, Manny!

We hardly knew ye!

Manny plus his salary, Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss just for Jason Bay? I don't get it. Manny's pulled a lot of crap in his days in Boston. This would have all just blown over. At the very least, the Sox should have got a reliever out of the deal. That's what they really needed.

This was the DUMBEST trade EVER! The Red Sox are A JOKE!!

Let's sum this up. We give up Manny, Hansen, Moss and $7 mill for Bay. A NL hitter who's #S should be reduced by 10% because the league is far inferior to the AL. What's worse is that the Sox lose the 2 sandwich picks had they kept him. No doubt he had to go and you don't replace a perrennial, disgruntled hitting machine like Manny. Theo did the best he could I'm sure, but while the Yanks fill holes, the Sox clean house of marital issues rather than positional needs. It's what happens when you win twice in 4 years after having not won in 86 years.

The worst part of this deal is that Manny got the two option years waived and will surely get his price in NY next season (either the mets or the yanks will gladly pay the $100 mill Boras will command for 4-5 years) as a free agent. We have seen it countless times with the Mets and yanks already (read Pedro and Johhny "dl" Damon. Boras is no fool. His tenure in RS Nation didn't suddenly unravel without some "inside" information. Let's not be that naive.

Looking forward to 2009!!!

Mannys time in Boston was about up, but RS brass are supposed to be smart businessmen.
Manny, Moss, Hanson, $7 mil and, effectively, two 1st round draft picks for a 2009 contract for Bay seems unbelievably one sided. Maybe Theo wanted to have us forget the Gag-me trade at last year's deadline.

Do the Red Sox retaint the 2 compensatory picks if they are the one's paying manny's salary? If so I say sweet deal. If not...

Cost to LA for Free Manny: 2 players

Cost to Pittsburg: 1 star player for 4 picks

Cost to RS for losing Manny:

salary
2 ML ready players
2 1st rnd draft picks

yow.

Scott Boras has injected himself injected himself into Manny-world. He has assured himself of a cut now that Manny has no more option years. He also tried to that to A-Rod during the world series last year and THAT worked out well for him.

It will be interesting to see next year, what teams will be offering Manny a four year deal and at how much a year.

Third place, here we come!!

It was obvious that Manny has some self worth issues. My belief is that all could have changed if the BIG BOYS UPSTAIRS would have just said we'll pay you'll stay don't worry be happy. But instead they said We'll pay you to play for the Dodgers, pay you to move there 1mil. Send Hansen out the door with Brandon Moss and pay a small market star for the rest of this year and pray pray pray that he doesn't fall on his face like rent a wreck did. We have seen this all before and we will see again I'm sure. I surely hope we don't have to face him in the playoffs boy wouldn't it be bitter to have him hit a game winning Home run against us in Fenway for the world series.

for everyone trying to convinve themselves and others that the sox had to give away hanson and moss and that they werent that good.... They were major league ball players who proved they could at least hold their own. "where was moss going to play?" people ask.... how about rotating in anywhere in the OF when coco, drew or jacoby needed a day off. I fail to see how paying someone money and talent to take away an incredible talent and a hall of famer is a good trade. "they had to get rid of him!" people screem, even so... you could have flat out released him. saved your middle reliever which you have a desperate need for and go with an outfield of jacoby, coco, drew. most teams would kill for that outfield. want to get more out of the lineup? how about making sure cora and lugo never play a game again.

So the Sox get Jason Bay for Manny and Moss and Hansen and to top it all off they are paying the rest of Manny's salary... What the hell is going on? How can Theo and the front office be so stupid. They just won the division for the Yankees and I say they will finish in fourth place this season.

Nice Going

Did Hansen ever throw a strike? If so, I hope someone took a picture.

GOOD LOOK BOSTON,FROM NOW I DODGERS FANS.THANK YOU MANNY THE BEST,NOW BOSTON LOOK LIKE MINOR LEGUE TEAMS.

The people trashing Ramirez because of his salary are ridiculous. A healthy Ramirez is a guarantee for 30+ HR and 110 RBI and .300 average. The guy replacing him (while a great player) is not Manny Ramirez to the Red Sox or to the pitchers facing him with the game on the line. Bay doesn't nearly strike the same fear into hearts of opposing pitchers.

Theo tossed in a solid arm and a promising RF for good measure to ensure trading Ramirez - the better bat. Dope. If Boston wins the wild card it will be through dumb luck, only to get bounced in the ALDS ala 2005.

Best of luck Jason Bay! You have enormous dreadlocks to fill !

As a Sox fan living in NY, I can tell you I am saddened about Manny. NO ONE can pick up the void, including Bay. We just handed the Yankees the AL championship. WTF were you thinking Theo??????

“Oh, the stupidity of it all”
I don't know if this will mark the start of another curse for Red Sox Nation, but it should.
I can hear Denis Leary right now: "You traded Manny Ramirez for Jason "BLEEPIN'" Bay ?
Boston, you just lost ANY chance of winning the division, let alone the ALCS and for what exactly? .Manny's too different, Manny’s too hard to handle or just too Manny? Is that what’s stuck in your lobster bib? Ramirez was hitting .299, leading the club 20 homeruns, and two behind Youkilis with 68 RBI’s and you traded him for a decent player, who has hit 140 HR’s over his six seasons plus. But as most of us know, stats aren’t the end all be all, it’s what you do and when you do it against whom. In old school language, BAHSTEN just lost a gamer.

Manny Ramirez will do just fine in LA. He’s our kind of player, since most Dodger fans know the game and know that Manny has worked and continues to work very hard to be the great, clutch hitter he has been for Boston. For the newer fans who don’t know much about Ramirez, thanks to Vin Scully, they’ll soon learn a great deal about Manny Ramirez.
SCULLY: “In case you haven’t heard, The Dodgers beat the deadline today by that much, but boy was the wait worth the end result. His full name is Manuel Aristides Ramirez, but everybody in the baseball world knows him as Manny Ramirez, . I kid you not, in a multi-player swap that sees Ken Griffy, Jr. going to the White Sox, and Jason Bay to Boston, putting on Dodger blue in time for the start of tomorrow night’s game against the Diamond Backs will be one of the game’s truly great players. Born: 05/30/1972. Birthplace: Santo Domingo, Dominican, Ramirez is the kind of big game clutch hitter every club wishes………..” And so on.

So now instead of having to trade a slew of our stud prospects to Coloroda in the offseason for Matt Holiday I guess we'll only have to trade a couple because now they have Jason Bay to include in the trade.

A sad day for Red Sox fans. Manny (though quirky) can never be replaced. I realize that he became like a cancer in the clubhouse, and he wasn't going to do much for us this year , but I will miss him!

The way this deal is currently rumored, it looks awful - Ramirez, Moss, Hanson, and $7 mil - for Bay? Makes no sense, so- I'll wait until the facts harden. Epstein can't be that dumb, because on the surface all he's done is throw this season under a bus.

I think we got hosed on this, BUT, I believe Jason Bay's production could IMPROVE due to the fact that the Sox lineup is WAY better than Pittsburgh.

And to those who are wondering, Jason Bay is signed through 2009. He made $5.7 mil this year and is due to make $7.5 next year. Compared to $20 mill, it's, at the very least, good value. Maybe we can sign somebody else in the offseason with the extra dough.

I cannot not believe how stupid Red Sox fans are, Manny absolutely killed the Yankees and you are replacing him with Jason Bay..... Jason Bay sucks and i highly doubt he will be able to protect Ortiz in the lineup the way Manny did. But you ingrates are happy he is gone? You deserved 86 years without a ring and I hope this re-curses your second rate franchise.

Go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there anyone still alive that thought trading Nomar was a bad deal... There the same people complaining about this deal.. it goes to show how little you really know about baseball... Manny is enron stock .. sliding downhill .. now him and Nomar can talk rag time about the old days when they were sticking needles in there bums.. popin speed .. and were great players.. manny isn't even in the top 5 best hitters in the league .. get over it.. If Theo needs tips on cutting his grass, or paving his driveway he'll ask you chickin littles .. otherwise let him do his job.. he's got two championship rings.. how many do you Jack offs have... It's a TEAM .. and that's what manny never got.. and never will..

No matter if you are a Manny lover or a Manny-hater, if you are a true sports fan, he had to go. You usually find out a person's character when things are tough and we certainly found out that Manny's character is terrible at best. #1, he hung out his manager who has covered his back so many times and refused to hang out Manny's dirty laundry to the media on many occaisions. #2 he quit on his teammates both in Seattle and for the Yankees series, not to mention jakeing it down the line the other night in close to 6 seconds. #3, he gets $20 million to do a job THIS year so how were the Sox showing him disrespect? Manny, see #'s 1 & 2 for disrespect. All Sox fans want to win, but at what cost? I'd rather lose with class, than enable someone to hold me hostage and ruin my team. Good riddance ManRam. Take your tired act somewhere else. God help Joe Torre

Thank you Theo for trading Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers for Andy LaRoche?. It's Christmas in LA! Can't wait to add his big bat to the the Dodgers offense, it's exactly what they need with their staff and bullpen, they'll win the west going away!

Manny will be Missed but his Distraction won't be missed now Maybe Red Sox can start winning again now that the Distraction is Gone. Maybe is Manny was able to shut his Mouth they may have kept him instead he acted like a spoiled 2 yr old. brat.

One of the worst trades of all time. Ranks up there with the sale of Babe Ruth and the Sparky Lyle trade. What were they thinking? Were they thinking.

100 years from now they will talk of the curse of Manny.

The only good thing about this is...I am a Yankee fan.
I can't believe it but I feel bad - the Red Sox/Yankees matches won't be the same.

This is a tragedy. There is only one Manny. But his departure may work out well, given the way things have gone in the last few weeks. The "Manny's to blame" theories may well prove to have been too facile and convenient. If the rest of the team really and truly feels better without Manny, then this may give them what they need to turn around a situation that is looking grimmer by the minute. I'm not defending his bizarre behavior, but simply acknowledging the amazing things he has given the team over the years. Money well spent, and yet a sad and unfortunate departure. I'm disturbed to see so many who are gleeful about his leaving. Whatever spin is put on what he did off the field (mostly media distortions), don't ever forget what he did for the team on the field.

Manny is a great hitter (but declining), but there is little doubt he would sit the season out if still with the sox. Bay is not as good but the character is way better and it may inspire the team. Manny had to go so basically it was a trade of 2 minors for a good proven player.. We are still in this race and feel worst of schedule is over. Don't count the sox out yet. Have great starting pitching if we get to post season and Bay may be just what we need.

By making this trade the Sox have a chance. It would have been a long two months if they couldn't have shipped Manny out. The team you saw yesterday would have continued to crumble in my opinion. Manny was leaving either way at seasons end. As many have put it no more baggage. I've lived and died with the team for over 30 yrs and have been a big Ramirez fan but it has clearly reached the end. Thanks for the memories and helping win 2 titles. We fans should take the high road and not continue to freak out and bash him, but rather turn the page and see what happens next.

Why has no one pointed out the obvious, Manny .... Free Agent Next Year ..... Yankees 19 games a year vs Sox. Say goodbye Yankee killer hello Red Sox Killer......... Unless one of our better pitchers is pitching in which case he will sit with a sore groin. Who am I kidding, he had to go, just hope he likes the pin stripes next year.

By the way why do so many Yankees fans read the Globe and Check the Boston blog sites just to check up what the Red Sox fans are thinking. Face it you guys have become the new Red Sox, pathetic.... Go read the NY post or something.

I know this is aking too much but couldn't the Red Sox throw in Lugo to either LA or Pittsburgh. Might as well get all the excess garbage out. Hell, make it Lopez, too. If there is a worse lefthanded pitcher in baseball than Lopez, I don't want to see him! He can't get anybody out!!!!
All that being said, I truly want to thank Manny for some great years in Beantown. Yes, things have soured recently and it is time for the Sox and Manny to move on, but he made his mark and was an integral part of two World Series championships. Ironically, now he will be playing for Joe Torre.
And finally, a hearty Beantown welcome for JASON BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He, too, will make his mark........believe me!!!!

I'm happy getting rid of the distraction, despite the loss of the mega-talent. My big questiion is: When did Los Angeles become a small market? We pay Manny AND send better players to Pirates than them. Something doesn't add up. But nobody was holding a gun to our heads

To everyone in LA jumping for joy... You had the "best player" in the NBA and still got stomped ... I'll take a 29 year old all-star over a on the way down clubhouse cancer anytime.. my only hope is he ends up with the yankees .. How did a-rod work out for ya ... no titles since ... it takes 9 guys to win ... not 8 men, and a baby..

I dont know why, but this makes me sad...We won twice with Manny and will always be known as a winner here....

Ortiz should hit where he belongs, cleanup....This whole year is reminiscent of 2004 and possibly a mix of 2006...Time will tell.

Prepare for the new curse of the Bambino...The curse of the Manny is here. I wish my little girl could get to see another World Series win, but alas we traded away another Hall of Famer for some nobody.

I'll keep it short - Sox will missed Manny dearly during all Yankees-Red Sox series. Manny was the Yankee killer and tthe straw that stirred the drinks in beantown. Advantage Yankees.

The Curse of the Bambino has been replaced by the curse of the Manny. The Red Sox were disrespecting Manny by not engaging in negotiations with him. Guess what? He dissed them back. Surprise Surprise. What a predictable train wreck. Oh well, I don't have to root against the Red Sox this year in the playoffs.

Manny + Hansen + Moss > Bay ....However:
A 2 month rent-a-player, malcontented, will I play or not Manny + 2 AAAA players is not greater than a 29 yr old 2 time All-Star, 30 HR 100 RBI guy with a reasonable salary.
I was a big Manny supporter and I'm not naive enough to realize the protection he provided Ortiz & the rest of the lineup. But we didn't win any World Series until we brought in proven big-game pitchers (Schilling & Beckett) to get us over the hump. And having $20 million off the books the next two years to go out and get another quality pitcher or bat isn't bad.
We're 3 games out of first with 53 games to go. Let's see how the team responds.

If any of us found out we had cancer, we'd be glad to overpay to get rid of it. Manny became a cancer in the Red Sox clubhouse. The Sox will admit they overpaid to get rid of him. Jason Bay will be a above average left fielder. The Sox will have most of Manny's money to reinvest over the winter. Moss would never have been more than a fourth outfielder for the Sox. Hansen just can't find his slider and his ERA is over 5. People are acting like we gave up three All Stars! The Sox will be a better team next year because of this trade this year...they may be better this year two just for having Manny gone. This business...look at this trade through those glasses and take the "homie" emotion out of it!

the sawx only had to give up Manny, $7 million, and two minor leaguers for a two time all-star and former rook of the year? at least the sawx won't have to carry as much baggage on road trips now that the $20 million man is gonzo

The end of an era will become known as Theo's error.

Sox management could have blasted Manny "they're trying to paint me as the bad guy" Ramirez a bazillion times in the past for his screwy behavior, but they never did. Ramirez was sucking the energy out of the team. Anybody who has watched them closely (Theo, Tito, me [I'm sure there must be at least a couple others]) over the past couple of weeks could see it in the team's body-language. There's a good chance that they weren't making the playoffs with Ramirez. I have to admit that it rubs this crusty New England dude the wrong way when you hear of a guy makin' 20-friggin'-million bucks for what he does THIS year wondering where he stands for NEXT year and makin' such a friggin' huge fuss about it. I'll tell you this right now, mistah man, if I made 20-million bucks at my job this year, I know exactly where I'd be standing: On a tropical beach, not every worrying about where I stand next year ever again. I want to believe that Moss and Hansen will be stars in the league, but it looks like Hansen would be much more comfortable with a blankie and a binkie in Pittsburgh -- and the Sox won't accept the 15 homers per year that Moss projects to hit in the majors from a corner outfielder. The fact that they got Jason Bay, who is in the prime of his career, in return for Ramirez, who is not, is exciting. Let's see if Bay can handle the pressure of Boston and if he can, let's sign him long-term. If he can put up the numbers he did in Pittsburgh, combined with the improved outfield defense, it's an upgrade over Manny. I'm more than happy to take the chance.

Who will be next Theo, Big Papi? Lets go YANKEES.

While Manny is a pain in the a--, he was a huge part of the two world series. Yes he doesn't always play hard and his fielding is suspect (but good arm), but he is one of the top 10 hitters of all time and that will be impossible to replace.

For those of you downing this deal, you're nuts, this was a deal that had to be made. In 2 months Manny was gone anyway, and ya know what we were gonna get back for him then.....Nothing at All !!!!
Now we got a 29 year old All-Star, who is a significantly better defensive player, and at the plate he is hitting only 17 points lower, has 2 more home runs, only 4 fewer RBI, 7 steals to Manny's 1, the exact same # of K's, and 2 more hits than Manny. Oh and he's not a huge egomaniac. Also let me add 1 issue not being mentioned that means as much as anything......how do u think it feels playing on a poor team your entire career, knowing you'll be at the bottom of the division , that's enough to take the wind out of anyones sails. Imagine what it feels like for him to finally be going to a contender, imagine how it would feel when finally all your effort leads to something. Bay will be playing on a high that will make him even better than he already is.
I will project right now that Jason Bay gets to Fenway, and he ends up absolutely denting the monster, and finishes his season hitting .290 with a total of 33 HR's and 120 RBI. On the flip side, Manny ends up hitting .288 with 29 HR's and 90 RBI.

For those of you downing this deal, you're nuts, this was a deal that had to be made. In 2 months Manny was gone anyway, and ya know what we were gonna get back for him then.....Nothing at All !!!!
Now we got a 29 year old All-Star, who is a significantly better defensive player, and at the plate he is hitting only 17 points lower, has 2 more home runs, only 4 fewer RBI, 7 steals to Manny's 1, the exact same # of K's, and 2 more hits than Manny. Oh and he's not a huge egomaniac. Also let me add 1 issue not being mentioned that means as much as anything......how do u think it feels playing on a poor team your entire career, knowing you'll be at the bottom of the division , that's enough to take the wind out of anyones sails. Imagine what it feels like for him to finally be going to a contender, imagine how it would feel when finally all your effort leads to something. Bay will be playing on a high that will make him even better than he already is.
I will project right now that Jason Bay gets to Fenway, and he ends up absolutely denting the monster, and finishes his season hitting .290 with a total of 33 HR's and 120 RBI. On the flip side, Manny ends up hitting .288 with 29 HR's and 90 RBI.

This wasn't about making an equal trade - this was about getting rid of something was a cancer on the Red Sox. In the end, they are better off without him.

you are all assuming that manny was going to give 100% if he wasn't traded. who are you kidding. he was going to give 60% when he played not including sitting out important games, not trying too hard at key at bats, jogging for balls he could've caught, claiming fake injuries, etc. don't get me wrong for the most part, manny being manny didn't cause the sox to lose games. but it was going to get really ugly if they didn't trade him. 100% bay might not equal 100% manny but 100% bay is worth way more than what manny would've pulled if he hadn't been traded.

I love Manny, one of the sweetest swings in baseball. Never minded his being Manny much but he wants leave and this ownership and management brought us something i'd never thouhgt i'd see, not 1 but 2 championships. i'm not gonna second guess them fom the cheap seats!

I hope the Red Sox become underrated team so I can take my 7 year old to Fenway

You guys are all delusional. The sox were not going to win it any way this year. THEY JUST LOST 6 IN A ROW TO THE ANGELS. They just do not have the PITCHING to get it done this year. Look for some additional moves in the off season. Let's just look forward to next year.

First Babe Ruth, now Manny... What's wrong with the Sox? Are you ready for another 90 years of no World Series ?

July 31, 2008, Day 1 of the Manny Curse era. This trade will haunt RSN for another 86 years. Cherish the championships you've won...it will be a while till your next one.

Manny says the Red Sox don't deserve a player like him, well Manny you don't deserve the talent you have with your attitude. Enjoy the left coast and we'll see you next season when the Yankees give you an offer you can't refuse.

You can say what you want about Shilling, but the fact remains we would not have two World Series without him. Sure he likes to hear himself talk and is a little self centered, but he has a right to his opinion.

Obviously there is a little emotion in the comments that he made, but there is no doubt in my mind that a lot of what he said is accurate. Manny is a great player, maybe one of the best ever, and will leave some big shoes to fill, but he was just one supporting character in a cast of many.

This is the nature of the game, but is blown way out of proportion and over dramatized as usual.

What a nightmare this has become.

One thing NOBODY is mentioning...assume for a moment that this trade never happened, and Manny is grumpily stationed in LF for the remainder of the season. How would his numbers be for the rest of the year? Honestly, we all say this in 06, he would've done less than Ortiz, Youk, Drew, Lowell and likely Pedroia. So you're looking at giving up out 5th or 6th best hitter as the team currently stands. But beyond that, again this trade never happened. Who plays left next year? Manny at $20m? Jacoby w/ Coco in center full time? An unknown free agent? Brandon Moss?

Now flash back to reality, and the trade is done. Next year, who's manning (no pun intended) Left now? Bay...at 7.5n, and he's good fo 30 HRs and 100RBI...or close to it in this lineup. He's a more powerful, rght-handed hitting, left field playing JD Drew. Plain and simple. Great deal. Clubhouse rectified, LF signed for next year, cancer excised. All for two fringe major leaguers and $7m??? I'll do that trade daily thank you very much.

Well fellow Sox fans, say hello to 3rd place. The only people happier than Manny right now are Joe Girardi and Joe Maddon. It will be years before the Sox make the playoffs again. Manny, thanks for the 7.5 great years, you were worth every penny. I just wish you would have played hard for the rest of this season, went deep in the playoffs and then get your big score in free agency. Scott Borasssss is the real one to blame here.

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YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE HAPPY ARE IDIOTS!!!!!! YOU TRADE 3 PLAYERS INCLUDING A HALL OF FAMER FOR ONE GUY.

YOU WILL ALL BE CRYING WHEN HE'S IN PINSTRIPES NEXT YEAR KICKING OUR BEHINDS....

It's funny how Bay's 2007 season stats are nowhere in the article, and that was his worst season. I love the Sox and the Globe, but we don't need another Red Sox Media Guide. Let us look at all the numbers and make our own opinions about the trade.

good riddance....a total cancer on the team!!!!!

trash Manny all you want, but that boy can hit and that's all that matters. Bay? Yeah, he has done well in the National League!!
Well, ladies and gentlemen, let's call it a season . . . say bye-bye to the playoffs!!

I cannot believe all the ignorance on this comment board. Is everyone forgetting how bad Manny started loafing? And how he refused to play in the first game of the Yankees series? Bay is no Manny, but Bay giving you his full effort is WAY better than a half-assed Manny. And that's why Boston had to give up so much - every other team knew the Sox were screwed.

From 2001 to 2007, Manny was a huge problem for Joe Torre. In 2008, he's again, a huge problem for Joe Torre. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Dodgers' clubhouse atmosphere when they try to fit this cancerous meathead into their organization. At least now the only guys in the Monster will be the ones who belong there.

i am laughing out loud at all of you giving up on the season. I dislike the trade as much as anybody but that doesnt mean its an automatic 3rd place.... those of you fleeing the bandwagon as quick as you jumped on it can all get run over by it for all i care. fenway will be better without you

Manny is an ex-wife. She loved us once but the magic is gone. You move on.

Chalk another one up for the morons on sports talk radio.

Sad to see Manny go... however, having watched the sox for the past month and seen how Manny has been squelching any passion that the team has by his lackadaisical and self-righteous play... Something had to be done, and I guarantee nobody would give up anything good for Manny... Everybody knew boston HAD to get rid of him, and so they held out for a trade that was favored in their favor... Sucks for Boston, but ultimately I think its best for the team... Bay may never be as popular as Manny, but he'll be just as productive as Manny has been over the last 2 years, plus if he ends up being a bust, he's only in the books for next year at what... 5 mil? This trade not only gets rid of a cancer to the redsox, but opens up huge salary next year where we could try to sign another big bat. (Holiday anyone?) Anyway, I wish we didn't have to give up the other 2 guys, but they both are replaceable... Overall, a sad day, but all brought on by Manny, no matter what he says.

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i love manny, the guy is the best thing that has happened here in a while, but hes not 32 anymore hes 36 and getting worse every year. Id rather have an up and coming star in a new very much more hitters ballpark in a better lineup. Ill miss manny but he is not mr productive anymore he has less homeruns and the same number or rbis as this guy. Moss is like murphey hed never play and hansen cant throw a strike.

I think Manny was bringing the whole team down. It was time to go. Jason Bay is no slouch. His numbers over the last few years are the same as Manny's. This could be David Ortiz all over again. Put Jason Bay in Fenway Park and in a good line up and his numbers could go through the roof. He does not need to be Manny in order for the team to be successful. He just needs to continue putting up the numbers he always has. If he hits in the clutch and in the playoffs, then Theo's a genius. Let's be honest does anyone care that we lost Greg Hansen and Brandon Moss is a good 4th outfielder. All the Manny supporters need to calm down!!!

Anyone who thinks this team is worse off right now is clearly a run of the mill baseball fan, anyone whose followed the game closely or even read the article above should know this trade is for the better, Manny is a 36 year old declining head case, Manny was one of the best right handed hitters to play the game, Was, now hes a basket case he pushes 65 year old men to the ground, jason bay is a young solid hitter, who will live off the monster in right field those high fly balls are now home runs, those short liners singles or doubles, bay will be a great addition.

I'll admit that the Sox gave up too much in this deal but Manny left them no other choice. He basically held a gun to Theo's head and said TRADE ME. As far as I'm concerned Manny showed his true colors the past few months. He didn't like the position he was in with 2 one year options remaining on his contract and that the Sox decided to wait until the end of the year before letting him know wether or not they would exercise his option for next year. So Manny decides to do everything possible to force the Red Sox to trade him. Pick a fight with Youk - Push an elderly employee to the ground - Bad Mouth the owners - ect, ect,
People can say that it's all just Manny being Manny but he took things a step too far when he threatened to sit out the entire Yankees series because of an alleged "Bad Knee". He basically told management either trade me so I can get out of the 2 year options that your holding over my head and become a free agent at the end of the year or I'm going to ruin your season. Jeez, Manny really loves the game of Baseball huh?
He not only embarrassed the Red Sox he embarrassed the game. Once again we have a spoiled athlete claiming "it's not about the money" when his own actions prove otherwise.He "Played" this one perfectly & I'm sure he'll sign 1 more big fat contract at the end of the year. I'm not denying that Manny was & still is a great hitter and we wouldn't have won the rings without him but enough is enough .Thanks for everything Manny & don't let the don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

I'll admit that the Sox gave up too much in this deal but Manny left them no other choice. He basically held a gun to Theo's head and said TRADE ME. As far as I'm concerned Manny showed his true colors the past few months. He didn't like the position he was in with 2 one year options remaining on his contract and that the Sox decided to wait until the end of the year before letting him know wether or not they would exercise his option for next year. So Manny decides to do everything possible to force the Red Sox to trade him. Pick a fight with Youk - Push an elderly employee to the ground - Bad Mouth the owners - ect, ect,
People can say that it's all just Manny being Manny but he took things a step too far when he threatened to sit out the entire Yankees series because of an alleged "Bad Knee". He basically told management either trade me so I can get out of the 2 year options that your holding over my head and become a free agent at the end of the year or I'm going to ruin your season. Jeez, Manny really loves the game of Baseball huh?
He not only embarrassed the Red Sox he embarrassed the game. Once again we have a spoiled athlete claiming "it's not about the money" when his own actions prove otherwise.He "Played" this one perfectly & I'm sure he'll sign 1 more big fat contract at the end of the year. I'm not denying that Manny was & still is a great hitter and we wouldn't have won the rings without him but enough is enough .Thanks for everything Manny & don't let the don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

Not only do they trade a guy with a .309 lifetime average with RISP they get a guy back who hits .216 with RISP!! On top of that they give away Craig Hansen and Moss. The last two could have been part of a trade to get someone else. There is no way you can tell me they are better off now than if they just kept Manny and dealt with the consequences. The worst thing that would have happened is we lose and start over again next year. And you would still have Hansen and Moss. Theo is lame! he is an emotional woman in a man's game! He should have been fired for bringing in Lugo, Crisp, Renteria etc. Now he should be burned at the stake!!.

Manny becomes a free agent at the end of the year, so the SOX get nothing for him if they wait. Given that it was unlikely that they would resign him, this is a very good move. In addition, a motivated player is always better than a disgruntled Manny. You know that he was going to mail it in for the rest of the season. Good luck in LA LA land...Manny and Kobe gotta love it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Unbelievable! It took 319 comments before someone finally lay blame where it is due...Scott Boras. How did it end this way? Manny showed up 3 days EARLY to Spring Training, he high fived fans, he said he wanted to stay in Boston. What changed? BORAS!!!

It's a crazy trade, I know. Dodgers fans are thriled...hey have a FIFTH outfielder now. They'll have to listen closely to Vin Scully to learn about Manny. Most Dodgers fans don't know crap about the game; they show up when the Dodgers are in or near first place or when they play the Giants so they can get drunk and obnoxious.

I'll miss Manny's bat, his humor (not of late) and what he has brought to the team by way of his past accomplishments. Two recent WS Champs couldn't have hapened without him. I will also be there when he suits up takes the field in LA for the first time.

It's all very bittersweet. It shouldn't have happened this way.

Wow!! good luck making the playoffs Boston!! Dodgers fan just became boston fans. You pay the bill and we get Manny. Great Job!! Not!!

Ok let me help all those that say Theo made a bad move in trading Manny. Manny had the Sox hands tied, and not only that he has become a cancer and distraction to his teammates as well as the front office. He was lally gagging to the bases, downgrading the entire organization, and also causing disturbances in the dugout.
Now granted i think the Sox gave up alot on paper , with giving up 7 mil, and 2 MLB ready players, but this is how I look at it. The Sox get rid of someone who doesnt want to be here, someone who is having problems with his knee, someone who isnt giving the best effort , and lets not forget he's 37! Manny says its not for money its for peace?? lol its so he can get 4 yrs 100 million. We basicly get Bay for Hansen, Moss and 7 mil. In theo we trust mark my words , he hasnt done us wrong!

All of the 12 year olds who are crying because Manny is gone need to understand the meaning of "Club House Cancer" because that is exactly what Manny was becoming. Thank god Theo found someone who would take him because there is no way in Hell the Sox win this year with him acting the way he was. So take down your Manny posters from your bedroom doors - replace them with Jason Bay and hope for the best.

All you jerk offs on here that say you're so glad Manny is gone will be crying and complaining when we don't even make the playoffs. Manny is one of the greatest and most dangerous hitters of our time! Ortiz and Ramirez WERE the most feared 3 and 4 hitters of all time!

This is a sad day for any Red Sox fan.

Theo should not have let emotions get in the way and stuck with him until the end of the year. Does anybody remember when Manny wanted to be traded in 05? Didn't happen and then he hit phenominal numbers at the plate. This is supposed to be business without feelings and Theo Epstein and the Red Sox management just showed they act like children when their feelings get hurt instead of acting like business men trying to win another championship.

Jason Bay is no where near the caliber of player Manny is and he sure is hell is no Hall of Famer at this point. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE RED SOX AND HORRIBLE TRADES SINCE 1920?

THE CURSE IS BACK! Ruth = Ramirez

Good riddance to great talent. That talent aside, Manny represents everything that's wrong with baseball today. His childish, selfish, lazy, insistent attitude belies all that we root for; undermines the crazy price of a ticket to see a Fenway game; cuts deeply into all the good accomplished by the hard-working, give-it-all-you've-got Sox who mean so much to the spirit of the region. Manny's pulled this stuff before. It sours something that's just too good to suffer at the hands of a greedy dope. Turns out Manny was only along for the ride. To have carried him along further could only have hurt the Sox. Now Tito can manage and the players can play. Legacy? If it doesn't matter to Manny (and clearly it doesn't), why should it matter to me? To hell with Manny. And good luck to Joe Torre.

It's amusing to see people ranting that the Sox will never win again. Do you "fans" have any idea about the talent that's bursting the Sox farm system at the seams? Do you have ANY clue about how good these young players are, and how good they're going to be over the next few years? Did you know that it was a 19-year-old Red Sox outfielder who was the MVP of the Futures Game? Have you even heard the names Bowden, Bard, Kalish, Anderson? Had you heard the names Buchholz and Masterson before they arrived in Fenway? Guys like Pedroia, Lowrie, Ellsbury - they're just the beginning of the wave that's going to be taking over this ballclub in the very near future.

The Sox could afford to lose Hansen and Moss becaue they've got plenty of young players coming along to take their places.

And you had to realize that Manny was gone anyway. He was going to (not) play his way out of town the rest of this season if he wasn't traded. I know the guy has been a great hitter, but he's been driving his teammates insane with his selfish attitude. He had to go, and credit Theo for actually getting something for him.

As for the "we've lost the season!" I'm sure the same folks were screaming the same thing when Nomar was traded.

Wow...this is horrible. See ya' in the cellar, Red Sox. Good luck Manny. I've been a Sox fan for a long time. No matter where Manny went, whether he stayed of left, his talent wasn't going to change. He's a free agent at the end of the season, so he's going to try and put up monster #'s the rest of this season. In my opinion, Boston just dug it's own grave. I'll be surely tuning in to more Dodgers games for the rest of the year.

This is the vaunted Red Sox Nation? Crazy. The view from Chicago (or my condo) is Boston = whiny. Haven't you guys won twice in the last four years? I understand that also dates back to 1918, but for someone's sake, have some faith in your management. Whattabuncha nancys. You lost a 36-year-old headcase for an in-his-prime gamer. OH. POOR. BOSTON. Did I say Boston? Sorry, the name of the town is now SALLYVILLE.

I wonder if the Globe is going to examine the role their own writers played in creating an atmosphere hostile to Manny Ramirez.

It would be nicer if the Globe's writers simply reported what was happening on the field and didn't feel it necessary to tell the Red Sox owners what to do.

I think the Sox had to do this. If Manny stayed he would have quit on them. He has done it many times before. At some point you have to be responsible for your behavior. There is a decent chance that the Sox win 90+ games this year and don't make the playoffs, with or without Manny. Then he walks at the end of the year for nothing. They did the right thing.

Jason who? are kidding me!!! this guy is not even half the hitter that manny is. What a mistake by the Red Sox. Now there is no way in hell they will make the playoff let alone repeat as world champs. They should have kept Manny for the rest of the year and then let him go. Theo you just laid an egg!!! but dont worry you will be the next one leaving town for being such an idiot!!

For the past five hours I've been saying what was Theo thinking? After I looked at it I asked myself, would you trade Moss and Hansen straight-up for Bay? Answer yes. The Sox didn't trade Manny, Manny left. On paper this does look bad expecially when you consider the 7million and the compensation(1st rounder) draft pick the Red Sox would have received. The aternative is keep Manny on the team pay the 7 million and get the first round draft pick, and fall to third place. Somehow I hate losing one of the top 15 hitters of all time.

Theo gave up a lot but he just saved the season and a chance for a repeat. This is the REAL equation to summarize the deal, given Manny's likely approach had a trade not happen: Moss + Hansen + $7m + 1/2Manny - [Manny's poisonous effect on the team] = Bay

Theo had to dump Manny now. If he had waited until Manny was a free agent, the Sox wouldn't have gotten anything for him. At least this way they get a younger replacement.

Egomania is destructive in team sports and business. Good move, Theo! Manny's bat is not worth the strife he has caused of late. Fighting with Youk in the dugout and assaulting the traveling secretary --- absolutely disgraceful!! His antics have been overlooked for years due to his talent --which, admittedly, no one can take away from him. But - he doesn't deserve to wear a Red Sox uniform anymore. Good luck to Hansen and Moss; sorry to see you go. Welcome to Boston, Bay!!

When asked for comment down at my local social club, the guys at the bar replied, " he could hit and all, but all things considered see ya latah you ignorant fuckin' spic".

The Sox might have been able to make a sweeter deal if Manny hadn't sabotaged their bargaining position with his knee-dless days off, slow-motion running on ground balls, and clueless mouth. He might as well have changed his uniform number to 86 to make his "I quit" statement complete. The Red Sox were lucky to get as good a player as Bay for him. Expect good talent from Pawtucket, and elsewhere, to make up for the loss of Hansen and Moss.

Wouldn't have won the last 2 championships without him... wouldn't have won any more with him. If 8 years ago anyone asked me if it'd be worth it if the Sox won 2 WS with Manny even if it meant high ticket prices, "Manny being Manny" & an ugly break-up... I'd still've said "Hell, Yeah!"
Horrible endings are better than horrors without end - and, this portion of the ride is over.
Manny served his purpose here. It's done.
Now, let's see what this guy Bay can do in a real lineup.

I am still looking for the "I" in TEAM. Doesn't exist. He has not been giving 100% for quite some time. He is an incredible hitter when he feels like playing. Confidence, determination and consistency is what will bring them to the Show. What ever happened to work ethics? Poor morale is not good for the TEAM. Bay's numbers are pretty close to Manny and he is up and coming. How many teams are going to put up with the garbage Manny has been dishing out? I think LA got screwed with this trade. It may not be the best deal the Sox could have made, losing 3 players for 1, but it is better than keeping someone that might sabotage the team's efforts to win. I don't think that Sox fans will be disappointed. WELCOME JASON BAY. CYA Manny!

I am still looking for the "I" in TEAM. Doesn't exist. He has not been giving 100% for quite some time. He is an incredible hitter when he feels like playing. Confidence, determination and consistency is what will bring them to the Show. What ever happened to work ethics? Poor morale is not good for the TEAM. Bay's numbers are pretty close to Manny and he is up and coming. How many teams are going to put up with the garbage Manny has been dishing out? I think LA got screwed with this trade. It may not be the best deal the Sox could have made, losing 3 players for 1, but it is better than keeping someone that might sabotage the team's efforts to win. I don't think that Sox fans will be disappointed. WELCOME JASON BAY. CYA Manny!

Hey Josh, you were once a member of RSN and now you're a "former member" because of this trade? I"m happy to know that you were such a fair weather member and are now no longer. We don't need you. Goodbye Manny and Josh.

ugh get over it, the deal is done. Manny is a mess and plenty of teams were trying to acquire Bay in the offseason. He is now a Sox player.

I cant believe some of the posters on here- you get to root for ALL winning teams- the Celtics, Sox. Pats... stop whining about one freakin trade- gain some perspective

im from d.r. we make a lot of baseball players like manny was what you call the banbino course the only thing he want it ,was play baseball but in here if dont do good you suck . the only people that going to a game, is the one that have the $$$$$$$$.you guys lost a person that gave you 2 world champ. suckers. been a fan is one thing . think like a player.

there's no question about manny's skill at the plate. hes been one of the best hitters the game has ever seen, and honestly i think EVERY red sox fan will miss him come the playoffs. the guy was a post season killer. I woulsnt have minded the trade at teh end of the season, but with2 months left in the regular season?!?! that just way to stupid for theo to do. if the front office of the Red Sox could put up with manny's "antic" for eight seasons, then i dont see why they couldnt put up with it for 8 weeks. Yes, bay is going to be a great player, but a manny ramirez he will never be.

.. anddddd we're still paying for a Doger's Outfielderrrr.. i dont get it at all

Ok, citizens. Keep moving. Nothing to see here....

Seriously, people. Break this into 2 separate trades:
1) Jason Bay for Hansen and Moss.
2) Manny out the door.

You can argue, but I think that deal #1 was a good deal. Seriously, when was the last time that either Hansen or Moss had a fantastic game, compared to the numbers that Bay has had this year? And if deal #1 was the only trade on the table, wouldn't you be kind of pleased, going into the fall? I mean, really?

As far as #2... WAKE UP, FOLKS! Manny was going out the door at all costs.
a) he is ultra-high-maintenance;
b) he has been slacking for Theo and Terry only know how many weeks;
c) he went WAY over the line when he shoved a Red Sox employee who is nearly twice his age. That was the limit, and he went past it. Youkilis could just beat the crap out of him when he got physical (and I'm surprised he didn't); a civilian can't.

Let's face it. Manny has been a severe morale liability in the recent past, and the clubhouse atmosphere was only going to get worse.

Let me put it in low-syllable words, so that the drunks can understand it.... MANNY WAS GOING TO BE TRADED BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON. End of story. The only issue was, could we find an organization stupid enough to take him. Guess what? We did.

Oh, by the way. I was at the game on July 30, when the Red Sox fielding sucked down the proverbial toilet. And Manny actually was doing his part on the field, amazingly enough. Didn't get any hits, but he fielded better than several of his teammates.

So let's get two things straight:
1) The Red Sox need to improve their __overall__ hitting, fielding, and pitching to even come close to the post-season this year --- none of which Manny could have helped with. (I said __overall__. That means __everyone__ on the team needs to step up and play).
2) Manny has gone past his expiration date, and is into the "do not serve" period. He is sour in too many ways, and he is souring the rest of the clubhouse. He needed to go, and Red Sox management was going to make that happen, no matter if it meant paying off his entire contract. Anyone who does not believe that is simply fooling themselves.

It was a good run, and Manny was great when he was acting like something more than a 10-year old, but that time is long gone.

Thanks for your time and your contributions, Manny (and I'm not being sarcastic. I really mean that). I just hope that you realize that -- if you had just grown up a little -- you could have retired as part of one of the true dynasties of the American League.

Damn, I hate professional sports these days....

Ok, citizens. Keep moving. Nothing to see here....

Seriously, people. Break this into 2 separate trades:
1) Jason Bay for Hansen and Moss.
2) Manny out the door.

You can argue, but I think that deal #1 was a good deal. Seriously, when was the last time that either Hansen or Moss had a fantastic game, compared to the numbers that Bay has had this year? And if deal #1 was the only trade on the table, wouldn't you be kind of pleased, going into the fall? I mean, really?

As far as #2... WAKE UP, FOLKS! Manny was going out the door at all costs.
a) he is ultra-high-maintenance;
b) he has been slacking for Theo and Terry only know how many weeks;
c) he went WAY over the line when he shoved a Red Sox employee who is nearly twice his age. That was the limit, and he went past it. Youkilis could just beat the crap out of him when he got physical (and I'm surprised he didn't); a civilian can't.

Let's face it. Manny has been a severe morale liability in the recent past, and the clubhouse atmosphere was only going to get worse.

Let me put it in low-syllable words, so that the drunks can understand it.... MANNY WAS GOING TO BE TRADED BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON. End of story. The only issue was, could we find an organization stupid enough to take him. Guess what? We did.

Oh, by the way. I was at the game on July 30, when the Red Sox fielding sucked down the proverbial toilet. And Manny actually was doing his part on the field, amazingly enough. Didn't get any hits, but he fielded better than several of his teammates.

So let's get two things straight:
1) The Red Sox need to improve their __overall__ hitting, fielding, and pitching to even come close to the post-season this year --- none of which Manny could have helped with. (I said __overall__. That means __everyone__ on the team needs to step up and play).
2) Manny has gone past his expiration date, and is into the "do not serve" period. He is sour in too many ways, and he is souring the rest of the clubhouse. He needed to go, and Red Sox management was going to make that happen, no matter if it meant paying off his entire contract. Anyone who does not believe that is simply fooling themselves.

It was a good run, and Manny was great when he was acting like something more than a 10-year old, but that time is long gone.

Thanks for your time and your contributions, Manny (and I'm not being sarcastic. I really mean that). I just hope that you realize that -- if you had just grown up a little -- you could have retired as part of one of the true dynasties of the American League.

Damn, I hate professional sports these days....

Well he won't be wearing 24 for the Dodgers. That's retired (Walt Alston).

There is a God. I feel sorry for Joe Torre. He doesn't deserve that head case. Bye Bye douche bag. I hope Joe makes you cut that stinking hair that was stinking up the locker room.

I don't know how many of you were at last night's game when Manny hit a ball towards an infielder, and then walked to the dugout, rather than first base. Made an ugly game uglier.

HORRIBLE TRADE

Wow, I think we gave up way too much for Jason Bay. But hopefully he'll prove me wrong. GO JASON!

This trade needed to happen. Manny was no longer going to be a member of the Boston Red Sox beyond October 2008 anyway, so it's better that the front office was able to get something for him instead of just letting him go for nothing. Jason Bay is no Manny Ramirez--but he's still an excellent player who, this season, is putting up numbers comparable to Manny's, and I think he will continue to do so for the remainder of Manny's career.

Bay may not quite be an upgrade statistically, but he is seven years younger and costs $12 million less per year, with similar offensive numbers and better defensive skills. And besides, what really matters here is that the cloud hanging over the Red Sox' heads is finally gone. I like Manny and I really appreciate what he did over the last eight seasons, but it was definitely time for him to go.

It 's not a fair deal but we had no choice. Think less is more. At least I will never have to watch Manny get throw out at first base on a single to right.

Felix Hernandez X 2
Joba Chamberlain X 2
Duchscherer
Verlander

You know what these guys have in common other than being very talented right handed pitchers. Manny has ducked all of them. Manny used to be a guy who would take your the best stuff from the best guys and deposit the ball on Lansdowne St. Now he's a bottom feeder. If the guy is a tough righty, all of a sudden his knee hurts. What a crock.

Bye Bye Manny.

Will Miss your RBI's but that's all. Probably one of the most selfish and self centered people on the planet, who totally disrespects his team mates, his manager (who has had to tolerate way too much) and US, the fans. That quote of a couple of days ago "I love the fans in Boston" was really heartfelt (not)

I was a huge Moss fan, hope he does well in Pitt. As for Manny, I was so tired of Manny being Manny. He will be hard to replace, but lets give Bay a try. He needs to learn the wall really quick. I think this trade will work out. I will miss Moss though.

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!!
As a baseball fan that is also a lifelong Angels fan, I am baffled at the BoSox fans. I am not here to toot any horns, but I want to know what goes on in the minds of you fans.
I usually read local websites and blogs of the Angels’ competitors just to get a fresh perspective. I must admit the Bosox’s fans walk away as the most arrogant, irritating and delusional of them all (of course I am generalizing). Several days ago, after the Angels swept Boston in LA and dominated the Sox the first two games of the series and the poster said: “it doesn’t matter, this is not the post season, wait till the playoffs, they can’t beat us.” With this attitude, I have become a Yankee fan by default. There is very little love for Boston outside of the New England area (excluding expatriates in other cities).
How ironic, being a Boston fan and given their “glorious” history of post seasons failures and playing second fiddle to the Yankees for almost a century, the last thing you want to do is to dwell in the past. I do applaud and respect the Red Sox, as they are the reigning world champs, but clearly they have dropped a step or two in 2009. The numbers don’t lie, the Angels are a far better team than last year (and healthier too!!) and I would bet the farm on them should they play Boston again…that is…if they even make the playoffs. But still, it appears that the New Englanders are so blinded by their passion and loyalty to their beloved Sox, that they cannot, for once, be objective and give credit where credit is due.
I am glad that the Bostonians are looking ahead and taking the Angels lightly, because being complacent will be their downfall. Boston have bigger things to worry about….such as the Marlins and Yankees. Because of these two teams, there is a good chance they will never face the Angels in the post season. The Sox’s best chance was just traded to the Dodgers today.
Manny Ramirez – I was sad to hear of this trade. I was hoping for another Angels vs. Red Sox playoff with both teams at full strength…not like last year.
SO BOSTON FANS….PLEASE ENLIGTEN ME…CAN YOU BE OBJECTIVE?

I'll miss Manny, but it was time for hm to go. He became a cancer in the clubhouse and he was lazy. The only reason heplayed against the Yanks in Fenway was because Theo called his bluff and MRI'd both knees and they were clean. We don't need someone like that around, just like we didn't need the grumbling Nomar around....

Manny brought this on himself and the Red Sox. Its his fault, dont blame the FO...hes a whiny punk.

we have the 2nd best winning percentage at this moment, get rid of the cancer and maybe we can survive to win the penant... to much distraction... this spoiled child had to go,,,,no longer was he a TEAMMATE . teams win ballgames not individuals,, a real dicotomy..tthats life.. GO RED SOX...........

One of the dumbest moves in Red Sox History!
They are out of contention now!

LA Boy: The word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic". Fans are not objective by definition -- we believe that our team will prevail. The Red Sox have a track record in the postseason agains the Angels -- we frickin' own you. So, you're going to have to expect a little smack talk.

Watching the Angels b*tch-slap the Sox this year, I have said several times, "Damn, the Angels are really good." So what?! What do you want me to do, write to the LA Times and say "we give up"? "Gee, the Angels are really good this year, they might win it all, I'm going to be an Angels fan now." Not. They're not showing it lately, but the Sox are good too, maybe not as good as the Angels right now, but I believe when they're playing their best, they can beat the Angels. As a real Sox fan, I believe they will beat the Angels, especially now that that frackin' dread-locked malignant tumor has been removed.

If I were you, I would concentrate on the baseball team and ignore the fans -- most fans are pretty irrational. Here's the proof: there are a lot of us who loyally followed the Red Sox for decades with nothing to show for it but some runner-up World Series showing, but we never jumped ship. And we're not going to jump ship or lie down or start crying just because the Angels are good this year.

Also, here in Boston, the fans don't actually play in the games, so if any of us are taking the Angels lightly, that isn't really going to affect how the actual baseball team plays. Besides, I'm pretty confident that no one on the actual baseball team is stupid enough to take the Angels lightly (see tumor reference above).

Good luck being a Yankees fan -- Red Sox fans find that rooting for two teams in the American League is problematic, unless that second team is in the process of beating the Yankees (Yep -- we actually root for the Angels when they're playing the Yankees; how do you like that?) However, it seems like you'll fit right in.

Now I'm going back to ignoring the fans of a team that can't figure out which city it plays in.

Boomer