Manny traded to Dodgers; Bay coming to Boston
In a deadline day blockbuster reminiscent of the Nomar Garciaparra deal in 2004, left fielder Manny Ramirez was dealt this afternoon to the Los Angeles Dodgers as part of a three-team trade that sent Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder Jason Bay to the Red Sox.
To Red Sox
Jason Bay
To Dodgers
Manny Ramirez
To Pirates
Craig Hansen (Relief pitcher, from Red Sox)
Brandon Moss (Outfielder, from Red Sox)
Andy LaRoche (Third baseman, from Dodgers)
Bryan Morris (Double-A pitcher, from Dodgers)
The Red Sox have yet to confirm the deal, but Edes reported that commissioner Bud Selig has put his stamp of approval on it and the Dodgers have already held a press conference. Some final paperwork needs to be completed in order for the deal to be official, according to MLB.com.
"When a player like Manny becomes available, I don't think there's a manager in baseball who wouldn't say they're interested," said Dodgers skipper Joe Torre, whose Yankees teams went toe-to-toe with Ramirez for years. "It was something that happened very quickly, obviously."
The deal was completed just before the 4 p.m. EDT deadline for making trades without waivers.
The 29-year-old Bay spoke tonight with the Globe's Amalie Benjamin and said he expects to be in Boston for tomorrow night's game.
As of early Thursday, it appeared Ramirez might be on his way to the Florida Marlins. But when those talks fizzled, the Red Sox and Pirates found a willing third partner in the Dodgers. And even just before the deadline, there were reports that Bay would be headed to the Rays, seeming to put an end to trade possibilities involving Ramirez. But those rumors proved to be false, and around 4:20 p.m. the Globe learned that the Red Sox did indeed make a deal for Manny.
A couple of hours after news of the trade broke, Ramirez was spotted at Fenway Park loading up a white SUV with gear. He drove off at 6:23 p.m.
As part of the deal, according to Edes, the Red Sox will pay the remaining $7 million of Ramirez's 2008 salary. Ramirez is in the final guaranteed season of an eight-year, $160 million contract. It also contains club options at $20 million each for 2009 and 2110.
However, SI.com reported that Ramirez agreed to sign off on any deal with the contingency that the team agree not to exercise the option years -- at $20 million per season -- on his contract, meaning Ramirez will be a free agent at the end of the season.
Ramirez, the MVP of the 2004 World Series, remains one of baseball's best hitters and has enjoyed plenty of big moments in October. But his relationship with the Red Sox soured -- again -- in recent months, prompting the All-Star outfielder to agree to the deal.
But for now, Manny can be Manny on the West Coast.
Bay is a two-time All-Star who owns a career .376 on-base percentage and a .282 lifetime batting average. He's hitting .282 with 22 homers and 64 RBIs this season. The British Columbia native and Gonzaga graduate was the NL Rookie of the Year in 2004, when he hit .282 with 26 homers and 82 RBIs. In 2005, he hit .306 with 32 homers, 101 RBIs and stole 21 bases. In 2006, he established career-highs in homers (35) and RBI (109). Last year, he again led the struggling Pirates in homers (21) and RBIs (84). Bay has one year left on a four-year, $18.25-million deal he signed in 2005. He is due $5.75 million this year and $7.5 million in 2009.
"When I went into the locker room to tell Jason, it was great news for him, but he was not anxious to leave Pittsburgh," Pirates general manager Neil Huntington told Pittsburgh television station WTAE. "He loves his teammates and the town."
The Manny trade talk really picked up in the last 24 hours. Yesterday, Ramirez had a phone conversation with Enrique Rojas, a reporter for ESPNDeportes, and took more shots at the Sox in an apparent effort to force a trade.
"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.
"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don't have peace here."
This morning, in an interview on Boston sports radio station WEEI, rehabbing Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling sounded off on Manny.
"At the end of the day you're taking the field with a guy who doesn't want to play with you, doesn't want to be there, doesn't want to ... obviously effort-wise is just not there and that's disheartening and disappointing," Schilling said during his weekly appearance on the Dennis and Callahan program.
Did Schilling think it was time for Manny to go?
"Would I be the only guy in the New England area that said no if I did?" Schilling replied to the question. "I think I'm probably with the consensus. It's very obvious from anything you see or hear he doesn't want to be here. And anytime that there's a piece of the equation you have a problem, and then not trading and leaving him here is a problem because you don't know what you're going to get."
The often contentious relationship between Ramirez and the Red Sox included him requesting trades after the 2005 and 2006 season.
Earlier this season, Ramirez backhanded teammate Kevin Youkilis in the dugout and also knocked down team traveling secretary Jack McCormick in the visitors' clubhouse before a game in Houston when he asked for tickets.
And Ramirez told the Boston Herald during the All-Star break he wanted to know what his situation was and he didn't want the club to "tell you one thing and behind your back they do another thing." Red Sox owner John Henry said he found that "personally offensive."
Even before landing the enigmatic Ramirez, Los Angeles had a crowded outfield. Torre has been juggling Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre.
"You wish you had the DH," Torre said. "We didn't plan in advance how to move things around."
The Dodgers began the day one game behind first-place Arizona in the NL West, and were seeking a big bat. Boston, in the middle of the AL East race and chasing a second straight World Series title, wanted a productive hitter in return and got that in Bay.
The last-place Pirates, looking for young talent, gave up their star outfielder and got reliever Craig Hansen and outfielder Brandon Moss from Boston and third baseman Andy LaRoche and pitcher Bryan Morris from the Dodgers.
LaRoche, Moss and Hansen will join Pittsburgh and Morris will go to Class A Hickory.
A first-round draft pick for the Red Sox in 2005, Hansen appeared in 32 games out of the bullpen for the Red Sox this season, posting a 1-3 record with 2 saves. Hansen allowed 29 hits in 30 2/3 innings this season, compiling a 5.58 ERA.
Moss hit .295 with 2 home runs and 11 RBIs in 34 games for the Red Sox in 2008. Optioned on July 24, the backup outfielder was playing in Pawtucket at the time of the trade.
LaRoche hasn't played much for the Dodgers. Last year, he hit .226 in 93 at-bats, and has spent much of 2008 rehabbing in the minors from March thumb surgery. He is batting .203 with 2 homers and 6 RBIs in 59 at-bats this season. The 24-year-old was drafted in the 39th round in 2003 by Los Angeles. His brother, Adam, is a first baseman for the Pirates. LaRoche hit the trading block after the Dodgers acquired third baseman Casey Blake from the Indians.
The Dodgers drafted Morris in 2006 from Motlow State (Tenn.) Community College at No. 26, making him the second of their two first-round picks (they chose highly-touted hurler Clayton Kershaw at No. 7). He missed all of 2007 recovering from Tommy John surgery and has compiled a 0.84 ERA in his last four starts for the Dodgers' A-ball affiliate. In 2005, the 6-foot-3, 175-pound righthander was chosen out of high school by Tampa Bay and agreed to a signing bonus, but the deal fell through when the Rays changed management.
The Globe's Gordon Edes and Nick Cafardo, Boston.com's Gary Dzen and Matt Porter, and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
I hope you're all happy. The Red Sox just became a less competitve team so that you don't have to listen to Manny anymore.
WHAT?!?!?!??!!?
Spill it!!! I can't wait any longer!
Manny to the Dodgers for Kemp!? Fingers are crossed... it's due time Coletti made a colossal mistake, isn't it?
I guess the Sox traded Manny and a big bag of pacifiers and diapers to whomever for a bag of balls and some new splinter resistant bats.
MLB.com also said that Jason Bay has gone to the Dodgers. I trust you though, Gordon!
I am all for it as I think Jason will be a better team mate and Fenway will suit him fine.
How come you couldn't break this story but SI.com could?
No leaks today?
Goodbye!!
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason Bay is gonna be huge here
Rosenthal says we gave up Brandon Moss, Craig Hansen and are paying all of Manny's deal. This is a horrible trade, I'd rather have taken the Marlins deal and not lost Moss and Hansen. We aren't winning the WS this year anyway but now we gave up a ton for Jason Bay. I'd rather have Hermeida, Moss, Hansen and whatever other prospect the Marlins would have thrown in than Bay. This is a pretty bad trade for the BoSox, the Pirates made out like bandits
Hansen, Moss, Manny and 7 million bucks for Jason Bay seems like a bad idea...
Alot to give up for a trade, but don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
There is a GOD!!!!!!!!
and his names not Manny
if true, then....YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't let the door hit ya on the way out, a@#!! on second thought, i hope it does!!
I'll miss you Manny.
Oh my god! What are they thinking????? Jason Bay..... for Manny Ramirez, Brandon Moss, and Craig Hansen???? What an awful deal!
I wonder if that sore hamstring will be miraculously healed....
Most of us are probably glad to see him go, but let's face it. He gave us many years of fun, goofiness and some amazing baseball. This should be bitter-sweet.
Good riddance......I wish it happened after 04.....one of his teammates should have punched him in face a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago....
Jason Bay!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! GO YANKS!
Bye bye Manny. YOU caused this fallout. Enjoy LA. I can guarantee that you will look back at this and regret this whole situation. Ask Nomar how it's been since acting up and being traded?? Oh yea, the Sox have won 2 World Series since Nomar left....
Manny + Moss + Hansen > Bay
What the heck is Theo thinking? He gave up way to much if all the Red Sox got back is Bay. There has to be something everyone is missing. Theo should be fired if this is the actual deal.
Unbelievable and absolutely ridiculous. What a cry baby.
I know Manny had to go but with all the others problems of late, how does getting rid of Moss and Hansen as well for Bay only fix things?
The Red Sox management has weakened the team's positioning for post season play. A perennial All Star and future HOF'er, an up and coming outfielder and a decent middle man, which we have a shortage of, for one 30 year old slightly above average outfielder. A desperate, but not well thought out, trade!!
One of the worst trades in Boston sports history!
Is it me or did we just give up wayyyyy too much for Jason Bay? Nothing against him, but Manny, $9M, Moss and Hansen....
I don't know, not feeling so good about this one Theo.
Manny, how could you? Wow. What a sad day for Red Sox Nation.
To bad about the kids going.Hansen will turn his troubles and be an outstanding aquisition.Moss,who knows.But the primary want to shake Manny was essential,but I feel bad for Papi.He will miss Manny,indeed
I believe Jason Bay will be a great player for Boston.His numbers will only get better,because he'll see better pitches.I was impressed with him when he played in "The Classic" for his native Canadian team.He has a great attitude,proberly like Mike Lowell.........I will miss Manny.....he was some force,But he had to go.Antics burried him.Too much distraction,but I wish him well
Good luck Manny, and Good luck Red Sox Let's hope both parties thrive in the wake of their divorce...
I know we had to move Manny... but this was way too much to give up... worst deal Theo has made...
Extremely unimppressive haul for 3 guys...This week just keeps getting worse for Sox fans
if true, then....YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't let the door hit ya on the way out, a@#!! on second thought, i hope it does!!
He needed to go, BUT to give up Hansen and Moss, pay Manny's salary and not get back any bullpen help makes this a bad trade. Just hold on to him if that's all you could get. Let him go after the season and pick up the 2 picks. This season is over either way.
tata asshole!
"All you did here today was weaken a nation. That's all you did."
This is the most insane deal ever. Who is the superstar here Manny or Jason Bay? The Pirates have made a great trade. The Dodgers have taken a huge risk. The Red Sox just got robbed big time. Even if Manny had to be moved, please tell me how this was the most we could get back. Why did we have to put Hansen in this trade?
GOOD RIDDANCE! Don't let the door hit ya', pal!
Looks like Shaughnessy gets a little extra ketchup with his eggs tomorrow mroning.
Dear Globe,
Can you please publish the ransom note? Hansen, Moss AND $7 million out the door for Jason Bay?
Thanks for laying down, Manny. You facilitated the Sox being robbed.
I love the idea of getting Bay for Manny. I will miss Manny's production, but it was time. With that said, this seems like a lot to give up and it appears as if the Dodgers stole Manny. All they gave up with LaRoche and Morris for Manny? They also don't have to pay Manny's contract? They will also now probably get a sandwich pick when he signs this winter. Lastley, we traded Manny, Moss, Hansen, and we will pay Manny's contract for Jason Bay. A guy that last year hit 247 last year. (Granted that was an off year). Something doesn't sound right....
Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.
worst trade of all time....book it.
Don't get me wrong here, I know he had to go but sending Manny, Moss, Hansen and 7 million and in return only getting 1 player? I mean, we could have held on to him and gotten 2 sandwich picks next year. I cannot believe how messed up this is
The Dodgers (Joe Torre) made out like bandits.
The Red Sox ended up with the wrong guy - they should have gone after and obtained the Dodger's Matt Kemp. Kemp straight up on what we gave up.
Bray's numbers have been tailing off at the plate - and he doesn't hit the junk which he'll see a lot more of in the AL.
Based on what we know, it would have been better to just let Mannie finish out the year and then release him. He's going to end up in NY anyways. Now we've also lost Brandon Moss & Hansen. And we're paying Manny's salary.
Good riddance.
This makes sense in a number of ways. First and foremost, it fits with the way Francona has been building the team the past two years. Less driving the ball over the Yankee Stadium walls, more putting it in the Fenway gaps and manufacturing runs. Bay is faster and a better defensive player. It also opens the outfield into one of the best defensively in baseball (Coco, Ells and Drew/ Bay).
I loved Manny over the past five years and I'm going to miss Manny's antics, but it makes sense. I think the new question is, Who is going to sign Manny in the off season? New York looks like the best oppourtunity right? With Matsui maybe on the outs?
Did Theo Epstein and Bill James lose their minds today?
Red Sox give up:
Manny Ramirez
Pitcher Craig Hansen
Rookie right fielder Brandon Moss
The Red Sox also pay the remaining $7 million of Manny's salary this year.
Red Sox get:
Jason Bay
This is an outrage.
Manny will be sorely missed by this member of RSN. His antics and his behavior not withstanding Manny is a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer and he brought spunk, a fun loving personality, his very big bat to Fenway for the past 8 seasons. Jason Bay has enormous shoes to fill and I wish him all the best and I want nothing more than for him to come in and make an immediate impact with his new team but he will never be Manny Ramirez and he will never bring what Manny brought to this team.
From this member of Red Sox Nation to now, sadly, a former member of the Nation, Thanks Manny. Thanks for everything you did for this franchise. Thank you for your nearly 300 Home Runs you hit in a Red Sox Uniform. For the nearly 1200 RBI's you drove in in a Red Sox uniform, for the 2004 World Series MVP for bringing 2 World Series titles to our city. You are gone but we will be hard pressed to ever replace you. I sincerely hope that the number 24 will be retired ASAP by the Boston Red Sox and that some day Manny can be at peace with the organization so when Cooperstown comes calling Manny's plaque shows him wearing a Red Sox cap. Bravo Manny Ramirez. Thank you for everything. We will miss you!
incredible. only epstein would trade away manny f'ing ramirez during a playoff run.
Although I'm sorry to see this moment in Sox history, it truly was / is the best thing for the team. What goes on in the head of a professional athlete being paid 20 million dollars a year....$123,456 a GAME is beyond me. Mr. Ramirez is a disgrace to his team mates, to the Boston fans, to the game of baseball and to the competetive spirt of sports period. 20 million dollars a year and can't shut his mouth and fulfill his end of the huge contract he signed to begin with.
The number of crazy people in LA just increased by one......best of luck Joe Torre....you're going to have your hands full.
Two words....
EPIC FAIL
Whats going on with RS Management?
that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...
I wonder if his hamstring will be miraculously healed...
I admit, I will not only miss Manny...and I'm sorry to see him go. And yet....as a long suffering and long loyal fan of the Sox, I wasn't happy with the things he was saying about the team. I know he said he loved the fans here, and that's just great - we loved you too, Manny....and I am torn between depression and joy. Theo must be eating Tums like candy right now. Then again, I guess we could get him back when he becomes a free agent!!
We had to do something to shake things up. Adios Manny - I'll certainly miss you.
Wait I thought we were getting Brett Favre in return!
Moss AND Hansen???
Desperation....
the Dodgers gave up two prospects and dont have to pay Manny's salary, what a coup. Sox gave two prospect, Manny and his salary for Bay? Way too much.
We gave up alot to get Jason Bay. Sure hope getting Manny out of town was worth it -- though I can't see how.
Yes!! You broke the curse of the Bambino in 04, say hello to the curse of the Mannyno hahahahahaha,,, you'll never win again!!!
That seems like a lot for Boston to give up just to get Bay. (Of course, getting *rid* of Manny is part of the benefit.) Manny *and* Moss *and* Hansen?
Anyone else think the Pirates got the best of this deal?
bad enough the sox are paying for another team to reap the benefits of Manny's last 2 months before free agency, but to give up 2 major league players to boot..Does anyone thinks Boras was not totally behind this meltdown to force free agency so he can get paid...Panick move to unload Manny by Theo...where is the relief help back to the sox
Manny was a great player for the Red Sox but you know it shouldn't have ended this way. 7 1/2 years Manny spent with the Red Sox and I personally thank him for what he did for this team and that he helped bring those 2 world championships here. And i hope he was better luck somewhere else.
LADIES AND GENTELMEN
THE MANNY BEING MANNY ERA IN BOSTON HAS ENDED.
Thanks for the help with Championships, you chump.
I'll repeat what I heard today.
Retire Dewey Evan's #24 next year so that no one can sully the # again.
we gave up to much just to get rid of manny! the front office should have stuck it out the rest of the season. hanson and moss had to go just to get rid of the best player in the deal.
we gave too much to bay... why did we have to throw in moss and hansen? oh well i guess this is why i am not gm of the sox... i am happy to have bay.... lets go play ball...
Manny jogs to L.A. Welcome, Jason Bay.
Too bad we had to lose Moss and Hansen so that Herr Boras could milk a few more bucks out of Manny. I wonder if Manny will look back at this episode years from now and realize what a fool he was for his agent.
News flash Manny: You weren't going to get the $20 million anyway and now you've reduced your market worth considerably. Do you think Boras will compensate you for the 5-10 million per year you just lost?
Considering that they paid the remainder of Manny's contract, seems like they gave up a lot just to dump him and get something decent in return. But if Bay works out and produces it will likely be a solid move, assuming Hansen doesn't become a superstar, which he probably won't.
we gave too much to get bay... why did we have to throw in moss and hansen? oh well i guess this is why i am not gm of the sox... i am happy to have bay.... lets go play ball...
What a little B^%*H. Good riddens! Unfortunately though - the trade deadline is when teams make a last ditch effort to improve for a playoff push. Why do I feel that the Red Sox just took a few steps backward allowing the door to open for the yankees to climb into the wild card seat?
Sox gave up WAY TOO MUCH
This Trade Sucks
This is a terrible trade. While I agree Manny had to go a trade, even up, him for Bay would have been a steal for the pirates. To give up Hansem and Moss is highway robbery. Stupid, Stupid Stupid.
Atrocious.
Don't let the door hit you in the butt Manny. Thanks for your service, but time to go.
Why Moss and Hansen to the Pirates?? Glad to see Hansen go though.
Ok so the Red Sox get Jason Bay, he is younger, faster, can cover more ground then Manny, and he is having a good season, but instead of making the team better they just made it worst, they deal Hansen and Moss, I thought they were trying to make the bullpen stronger, and they deal one of them, Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin's army is falling off, Okajima not as good as 07, Lopez ups and downs. I think the trade is pointless, and the Sox ended up the loser team, and why trade Moss, a good outfielder thats has show he can play in Boston... so what will happen to the bullpen now? Why not keep Manny for the rest of the season and then let him go. This time is the Red Sox being the Red Sox.
Wow, this... is terrible. If the Sox gave up Manny (plus his 2 option years) plus Hansen PLUS Moss, and are presumably paying the remaining $7m of Manny's salary this year...
And they ONLY got Bay? Not Grabow too? That is WAY too much for Bay. He's a fine player and he's cheap next year, but damn that's a lot to give up for just him.
Well, I had hoped it wouldn't come to this.....but Manny the "man child" (and lets be honest...he is a child emotionally speaking) did his level best this time to get himself out of town. Also, lets remember he never wanted to be here in the first place. I'm sure we'll miss his monster bat and some of his milder antics.....but pushing a 65 year old man over tickets?!?!? Come on..that was the last straw for a lot of us. This kind of reminds me of the Carl Everett days. Everett...a man brimming with self confidence and was (for the most part) able to deliver the goods on the field. But for some athletes just going out and playing the game they are payed to play to the best of their abilty is just not enough. Everett made himself a big distraction by shooting off his mouth with all kinds of nonsensical ravings (dinosaurs didn't exist for example!!!) and being such a big pain in the rear that he managed to get himself shipped out pretty quickly. Admitttedly Carl Everett is no Manny Ramirez when it comes to stats. But, in the pain in the rear dept....pretty good matchup I'd say. Well, it's been fun for the most part Manny...but the fun is over for all of us now. Goodbye and good luck out there in McCourt country.
This sucks. Curly Haired Boy sucks (who do you harass now, Dan? Brady? Pierce?). Gorilla Boy sucks. And every moron who's thinks we have a better team without Manny sucks.
We are becoming the Yankees. The Sox should have been sold to Frank McCourt.
This can't be the complete trade right? Obviously the Sox got more back in return???
Glory!
... and the Jason Bay era in Boston begins.
Wait until you see what happens next!
Ummm . . . am I missing something, or did the Red Sox just get screwed? Giving up Manny, plus two promising players (Hansen and Moss) - and we get Bay? That's it? One guy?
Anyone know Bay's contract status? Hopefully he's under contract beyond this year.
Bottom line is the bullpen still stinks, they're going nowhere this year, and they gave up too much in this deal.
It's great that Manny's gone so we don't have to deal with whatever he had in store for us, but what are we supposed to do now? No Moss? He was going to be amazing! And have we helped the bullpen at all? Wasn't that one of our goals? Are they trying to destroy our present and future?
incredible. only epstein would trade away manny f'ing ramirez during a playoff run.
ok so they red sox get jason bay.. and they trade away 2 RHPs, whats the deal? i thought they were trying to get a better bullpen.. it seens like it just got worst... so what now? Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin is old, Okajima is not being the 07 killer, and Papelbon cant do everything.. i think it was pointless... Jason Bay is younger, faster, he is having a good season... but come on.. you will trade the yankee killer, the guy who brings fans to the stadium, the guy who can hit in a critical situation? not being a Theo hater here, but i dont see the point of this trade. Would it kill them to keep him for the rest of the season .. i dont think so..
Too bad we had to give up Moss too.
A thought just occured to me(I know, I might hurt myself.) A very nice byproduct of this deal is; we just got rid of 2 Scott Boras clients with 1 trade but...Dealing a bullpen guy? Last time I checked Francona was holding that bullpen together bubblegum and duct tape, or was I mistaken in that impression? Is trading away a guy of Hansen's talent (if not performance) a really good idea? I'm sure they've thought this through, they get paid the big bucks. I just thought that intereseting.
What happened to LHP Grabow in this deal?
ManySox fans I know have mixed feelings about Manny's departure but, it was time. Ultimately, he wrote his own ticket out of town. No doubt Scott Boras did not want the Sox to pick up the two $20 million options, because what he wants is a three, four or five years at $20 million or more per year, but, there was no reason Manny couldn't have shut up played out this year. Bygones.
Manny was a great player for the Red Sox but you know it shouldn't have ended this way. 7 1/2 years Manny spent with the Red Sox and I personally thank him for what he did for this team and that he helped bring those 2 world championships here. And i hope he was better luck somewhere else.
LADIES AND GENTELMEN
THE MANNY BEING MANNY ERA IN BOSTON HAS ENDED.
Isn't this a lot to give up? We only get Bay and have to give Manny, plus 2 other players, PLUS pay the remainder of Manny's 2008 salary?? I think they should've gotten someone else back as part of the deal or had the Dodgers pay out the rest of Manny's contract.
Not enough for a Hall-of-Fame hitter like Manny. Even if i he is a psycho sometimes.
manny rip in boston i will miss u
Live in Pittsburgh. Suffer with the Bucs... follow the Sox as well. Glad the Sox made this deal. Manny has been no better than Bay over the last three years... and the stats prove that point. Manny has a slightly higher average, but the power numbers are equal and Bay is six years younger, a better outfielder and has his head screwed on straight. Good luck Sox!
Time for Theo to Bust out the Gorilla costume again.
What a dork!
I know Manny was a distraction but...
Leaving the RedSox:
Cash ($7MM to LA))
Hansen (to Pirates)
Moss (to Pirates)
Manny (to LA)
Returning to the Red Sox:
Jason Bay
What am I missing?
By the way, any word on how Mr.Boras is involved. I am very suspicious that behind this drama is the puppet master who will receive a significant pay day after orchestrating this masterpiece.
Manny Bye.....
Pirates's GM done the jood job for this deal
lose Bay but got 4 prospects
that's a pretty biased poll. i have mixed feelings about this trade, but not because it's good to see manny gone. i accept that manny probably had to go, but i'm sorry to see it happen, and i think the price the sox paid was on the high side.
After this season manny will be a yankee kicking our butss.. hopefully, it is a good trade. did not seem like we got much.
that's awfully steep having to give up Hansen and Moss too...geesh...pirates raked up...and we gave up a hall of famer and two young major leaguers with established potential for one "good" player...hmm...doesn't add up to me....I guess Manny drove everyone crazy, but he also carried a burden for the team, being its most visible, charismatic and productive star. And I'll never forget his "only a game" wisdom last fall (and that he was initially castigated for) that seemed to loosen the team up and allowed them to go on and win seven straight and the title...for everyone who wanted him to go, they'll be missing his bat and character in the long run...and hey sports writers and talking dopes (99% caucasian), you got your wish...you just ridiculed and booted out one of the most colorful and productive Sox ever....
The good news: Manny is happy. And gone.
The bad news: Everyone gave up too much.
What piggy bank was it necessary to rob in order to satisfy the Pirates? Seems to me they were the real winners here. And Jason Bay is the weaker, though younger, player.
Jason Bay '08 - AVG .282, OBP .375, SLG .519
Manny '08 - AVG .299, OBP .398, SLG .529
Now who hits in the 4-hole? Yikes. Don't like this trade, but it had to be done. Bye, Manny, and thanks, I think.
Good riddance Manny, you immature, disrespectful, baby
What a little B^%*H. Good riddens! Unfortunately though - the trade deadline is when teams make a last ditch effort to improve for a playoff push. Why do I feel that the Red Sox just took a few steps backward allowing the door to open for the yankees to climb into the wild card seat?
what a joke....three players gone for Jason Bay.
he is a head case,we had to give a lot at this time,sorry to see him go
Good riddance. Will we have as much hitting? Possibly not.
But will we ever have to put up with infantile behavior from a person making $20 million a year anymore this season? NO!!!
Thank you Red Sox. Thank you, thank you, thank you...
This is an awful deal. Today is a dark day in Red Sox trade history. Even if I could justify sending Hansen and Moss to the Dodgers PLUS Manny, why was it necessary for the Sox to pay the remainder of his salary??? RIDICULOUS!
Red Sox gave up too much. This is a horrible deal by Theo. I can't believe they gave up two big leaguers and manny.
Does this mean they had to throw in Hansen and Moss in order to get rid of Manny?
Good riddance.
Should have traded him years ago.
Now the good guys on the team can shine.
This deal stinks. The Red Sox give up a future hall of famer and two major leaguers for a good (but not great) outfielder. I'm no manny fan, but they should have come away with more than just Bay. Meanwhile, they still need bullpen help. The Pirates made out like bandits. Bad deal, Theo.
ok so they red sox get jason bay.. and they trade away 2 RHPs, whats the deal? i thought they were trying to get a better bullpen.. it seens like it just got worst... so what now? Masterson cant pitch everyday, Timlin is old, Okajima is not being the 07 killer, and Papelbon cant do everything.. i think it was pointless... Jason Bay is younger, faster, he is having a good season... but come on.. you will trade the yankee killer, the guy who brings fans to the stadium, the guy who can hit in a critical situation? not being a Theo hater here, but i dont see the point of this trade. Would it kill them to keep him for the rest of the season .. i dont think so..
Type your comment here...So effectively Hansen, Moss and Ramirez for Bay? That seems a little steep even if the Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary.
Moss AND Hansen???
Desperation....
i object to your lead, young fellow. This is nothing like the Nomar trade, which I strongly supported. Manny is still a productive slugger; Nomar was barely able to haul himself out to the field. We filled Nomar's spot with a better fielder and a reasonable hitter in Cabrera. We filled Manny's spot with a total joke, a guy who has not played in a big game in years and who has been declining in the last year or two. Nomar was a nice player in his prime. Manny was a huge player, a certain Hall of Famer who played a key role in winning us two long sought after World Championships. Manny demeans himself by comparing himself to Nomar, Manny is so much greater. There will be a lot of Red Sox fans who become Dodgers' fans because of this. And all because the vain Red Sox management had their feelings hurt because of Manny's recent antics. Terrible--and your lead just misleads the people reading the paper.
Good riddance to Ramirez! He is an embarrassment to Boston.
That seems like a lot for Boston to give up just to get Bay. (Of course, getting *rid* of Manny is part of the benefit.) Manny *and* Moss *and* Hansen?
Anyone else think the Pirates got the best of this deal?