Would deal make Sox better?

I'd rather sox keep hermidia.

If Theo can pull this deal off, I will take back every negative comment that I have made about him not being able to acquire the type of A-league level trade that the Red Sox need (if you remember, the Beckett-Lowell trade was made while Theo was "not with the team). I am ecstatic about acquiring Jason Bay, of whom I have always been a fan, and he will be a much better fielder than Manny--who occasionally makes the surprising play but doesn't always hustle.

Trade him. If he stays he is done after this season anyway. I don't see Theo picking up his option. Get Jason Bay. He is posting similar numbers, he is quite a bit younger, and less money.

YES, Pull the trigger. Manny has put himself and his contract above the Red Sox, above the Nation, and above his teammates. He has created a sideshow distraction bigger than ArodMadonna. He has become a cancer, and clearly it has affected the team, and his production alone is unreliable as is his not wanting to be in the lineup

Bay's numbers may be comparable to Manny's, but remember, he is in the NL, and pitching there is not what it is in the AL. Still, the Sox need to get rid of Manny...he is a cancer to the teams psyche, so Bay would be welcomed.

All you need to know is that the rest of the AL is pining for the Red Sox to make this trade. There can be a big difference between NL numbers and AL numbers (Edgar Renteria, anyone?). If this goes down the Red Sox implode this year, and Manny is in pinstripes next year.

Trade him, get something for him and make a signing in the offseason. also, if Bay only makes 7.5 Mil, then we can make a nice addition in the off season, Manny gets old after a while

I dunno. Jason Bay is nice, but is he Manny in his prime? No. Granted, it would be near impossible to get a player comparable to Manny in his prime, as A-Rod is unavailable at shortstop.

Manny, Lowrie and Buckholtz to the Marlins for Hanley!

Listen, no true Sox fan would ever want to get rid of Manny and his production, but for this Sox fan it is clear that Manny wants out. If this (or something else) does not happen, we have the possibility of Manny 2006 and more lackadaysical play from Man-Ram. If we would get Bay (or Kemp? Dodgers) and a reliever, that would help. Bay would probably mash at the Fens. Still, I can't believe that it has come to this. Manny being Manny has gone a bit too far. I don't see how the Sox FO get thrown under the bus on this one. Manny has burned a lot of bridges here.

Trade Manny. Bay is roughly 85-90% of Manny plus we'd pick up a reliever to stregthen the bullpen. The way Manny's numbers are declining, Bay will be the superior offensive player in the next two years, anyway.

This deal is essentially calling Manny’s bluff of wanting out of Boston under any circumstances. Manny will never sign off on it. End of story so don’t get excited Boston.

Would the deal make the Sox better? I don't know but I do know I am sick to death of Manny Ramirez & his attitude. I really don't care what they get for him at this point. Who knows, maybe the addition by subtraction thing will come into play.

its time for a split and what ever we pick up for the ma being manny is a positive bay for theo save the season

Note to Manny : Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Manny is an extortionist. I saw the bat on his shoulders for 3 consecutive strikes. I saw him sit out with sore knees and the next day run and catch a fly ball. Most of us are dealing with hard times and he wants a new contract with more than 20 mil a year? If you don't deal him to some other team, let him go anyway. Sit him in the locker room while the TEAM plays ball.

Jason Bay is a nice complimentary player. He isn't going to do all of the things at the plate that Manny is capable of doing nor is going to cause the opponent to rethink how they approach the lineup in quite the way that Manny does. This means pitchers can be more cautious with David Ortiz. He is a much better defensive player than Manny is and is a class act in every way. He'll make no trouble, will show up for work every day and give a 100 percent effort. Grabow'll fit right in with the Red Sox pen because he's consistently inconsistent and has had some injuries. In favor of both of these guys is the fact that they've had to sit through multiple seasons with the worst ownership/management group in mlb and the only thing Bay ever complained about was that they weren't trying to win and that is something that most people in Pittsburgh argreed with him about

Until yesterday, I never would have thought trading Manny would be a good idea. However, when he said that the Red Sox don't deserve him, everything changed. It is now clear to me that Manny cares more about himself than this team, and that's a problem. Bay will be a decent replacement at the plate, better on the bases and in the field, and will probably be incredibly motivated by the prospect of playing in the postseason - something he never would have a chance with in Pittsburgh (think about how Sean Casey played in the 2006 World Series with Detroit and so far with the Sox, after years with the Reds and, briefly, the Pirates). Manny has turned into a malcontent, and his teammates are clearly distracted by all of this, as seen by the four errors yesterday.

Do it Theo.

If it was anyother player Manny would have been fined and/or suspended for his antics. If you really analysis his at bats how many double plays has he hit into or strikeouts at vital times vs hits? Does he really play like a $20 millon player or is it just his past accomplishments that people think about? No matter how good you are it is a team game. Trade him.

OK, I know Bay and Grabow are very good players to get back for Manny BUT, if the Sox have in fact agreed to pay Mannys' remaining salary plus give a prospect or two? I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that's way to much to give up without having a top prospect come to Boston from FLA. or PIT. Sorry but it is what it is! I'd rather keep Hermida and the prospects! Maybe next time Theo will keep his yapper shut?

Many being Manny in MIAMI has a nice ring to it; having Pittsburgh's Bay playing in Boston's Back Bay has a sweeter ring to it...

Give Manny the 20 million---in cash!

Manny's clutch bat, especially in the playoffs can not be replaced. His relationship with the Bosox is like a bad marriage. We've been through these marriage-counseling things before. Something we have to deal with every other year or so. He would be the same with any team, a pain in the ass. And all the managers in both leagues are praying they don't get him because he is such a head-case. He wants to be center-stage. Look at it as part of the Manny being Manny package. It is painful to see him take the team down. But if they can get his head screwed on right, he could take them all the way again. And he will because Boras will tell him that he has to because if he takes the Sox down, he will not be worth as much on the market in 2009 when the Sox refuse to pick up his option. And Manny loves Money as much as Manny loves Manny.

Manny is a cancer. Team production has plummeted - very much the same production as when Nomar (another clubhouse cancer) was creating his own disrupted clubhouse. Nomar was traded and they went on to win the World Series.
This is "addition by subtraction". Dump Manny and the team will rebound.

Remember the ambivalence about the Nomar trade - and how people said what we got for Nomar was not up to snuff? Well, that trade worked great!! It's time to cut the cord - enthusiasm and desire can outweigh talent - do it!

If you think Manny is acting bad now, just wait and see what type of tantrum he throws if he doesn't get his way and get traded! He's affecting the whole organization and they need him out of that clubhouse so the players aren't distracted. Get Bay and Grabow and go into the offseason with a treasure chest of extra money to pay free agents.

Manny is a cancer. Team production has plummeted - very much the same production as when Nomar (another clubhouse cancer) was creating his own disrupted clubhouse. Nomar was traded and they went on to win the World Series.
This is "addition by subtraction". Dump Manny and the team will rebound.

Red Sox are not going to win without him - that said they won't win the way he is play either. He is gone after this year and the Red Sox won't get any compensations for his departure (except knowing he'll be a Yank). Get something for him now - prospects or even Bay - we also have guys in the minors that should be thought of too. Bye Manny - nice watching you play - disgracefull watching you as a person.

Trade him and try to win another World Series without him. If they can't get the deal they want, then send Manny to Pawtucket on the pretense he isn't hitting because of his right or left knee or whatever, and let him cool his heels. In other words, take him out of the line up and out of the lime light so he can't continue to harm the team. Then go work a trade that makes the most sense and let it take place at the end of the year or in the off season.

Trade the jerk!! His ego is way too big! He is a Cancer in the club house! I think Jason bay next to Ortiz will be a awesome combo. Both players generally care about being Team first! The chemistry in the clubhouse will make a 360 degree turn and they will play and work harder than ever once that Jerk is gone! The Sox may not win the WS,but they should make the playoffs. Personally I think the Angels will win it all with Manny on our team or without. I'm hoping Theo is trying to make another trade for another power hitter besides the Manny Trade. Don't be surprise to see more than one Sox trade today.

Theo you will be forever loved and cherished if this gets done.....THANK YOU

No one has liked and defended Manny more than I. That being said, he needs to go. He's obviously mad at the front office, though with all his ranting, he hasn't really given tangible reasons. I need to know what the front office has done differently between now and the "I want to end my career in Boston" Manny that we saw in spring training.

In the end, there's no way the Sox are going to pick up his option after the season, anyway, so we might as well have Bay. On one condition!

NO PROSPECTS SHOULD BE SURRENDERED!

A while ago, I wouldn't have done this trade......today? In a heartbeat, even if I have to pay half of Manny's salary. The issue of Manny must be a clubhouse distraction, so an onfield distraction as well. For whatever reasons, he's making a spectacle again. Bay, at 6 years younger, is entering his prime, Manny will probably be awesome till the day he stops playing, but his numbers are diminishing. But I really think the key is Grabow. If he pitches here like he did in Pittsburgh, and Bay hits like he did in Pittsburgh......pleasing to think about

Lets see how Bay does outside of Pittsburgh where he will have some real hitters in his lineup. They have pitched around him for years and he could get a boost from playing in front of Lowell and Drew and after Ortiz.

Besides who would you rather have next year a 30 year old Bay making 7.5 million in a contract year, or the same crap as this year from Manny.

Up until now I have always appreciated what Manny has brought to the Sox. Now, his comments and unprofessionalism have clearly indicated that he is all about himself and could care less about his team. He hasn't a clue as to how good he has had it in Boston. The ownership, team and fans have supported him through all of his antics - but like he said, "enough is enough". Theo - find someone who understands there is no " I " in t-e-a-m!!! Manny - I hope your next contract brings you all the "peace" you are looking for and maybe one day you will figure out what is really important. ~KP

If you were paying Manny $20,000,000 a year, would you want him bad-mouthing
you, for no reason at all?? What a freaking loser. See you later.

Manny is unpredictable but do you honestly believe that he will gaff off the rest of the season when he is essentially playing for a contract next year. The Sox are giving up way too much just to get rid of him. I'm just as sick of him as everyone else but we all ready have a Jason Bay type player in our line up, his name is J.D. Drew. Bay can't protect Ortiz like Manny. Let him play out the season, offer him arbitration (he'll almost certainly decline) and grab the two first round picks that comes with it as well as the 20 million that just came off the books.The deal is too one sided in favor of the other teams. I agree "Hey Manny, Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya." But unless the price is right wait until November.

ABSOLUTLEY time for Manny to go before the team implodes. He is a growing cancer in this organization. Has he not stated (as clearly as he is capable of) he wants out?? The deal is as good as it will get so get it while you can. Let's finally give Manny what he wants!! and then move on in this pennant race!!

if the red sox make this deal, they instantly go from best team in the AL East to third. do not do this deal. pick up manny's option next year and then trade him after the season.

Do it man. Manny's a great ballplayer and had a great legacy here. He will always be a Red Sock, but it's time for a change-for him and us. Bay is a great young player, and we will not get anyone better than him for Manny. Pull that trigger now Theo.

manny is a great player, but either pick up his option or let him go. he won't be much of an assett until this is resolved, this is evident through the sox losing streak. my opion? pick up josh hamilton from the rangers for $5 mil a year. something he would welcome after getting paid a mere 395K this year and we will win the world series again this year!!!!!

When a team goes in to a collapse, as the Red Sox are currently doing, it means that not all is well within the club house. It appears that Manny has finally worn out his welcome with his "TEAM MATES." He is getting on their nerves and they are not focused on winning. The real issue here is not Manny but how many members of the Sox will be looking for new teams if Manny stays. The saddest part is that if Manny had kept his mouth shut he probably would have gotten his two more years. Hope his immature antics do not keep him out of the hall of fame.

I like the idea of Bay and Grabow, but I like the idea of Bay, Grabow and Doumit even better. Too bad there isn't a way to sweeten the pot to get Ryan Doumit tossed in as well. That would take care of the catching concerns for the next several years - and he can play the outfield as well.

Manny will be 37 and 38 years old respectively in each of his $20 mil option years. Whether you believe the Manny/Borus BS or the team line, you have to believe he isn't going to put up HOF numbers forever. Clearly, he doesn't want to honor the last 2 months of his contract. Buy low and sell high and if you can't do that, cut your losses.

I like any trade of him that doesn't give up any decent prospects.

I'd hope that they would pull that trade off. They need some chemo therapy to rid the cancer from the organization. Jason Bay would be a great fit for short money. Even if Theo has to add some pieces to get this done he should. Possibly Brandon Moss. I would love to see the sox get the Marlins prospect starting pitcher Allison. He might benefit being closer to home. I would love to have a local prospect home.

Bay is not Manny, and as far as the money, i don't care (its not mine); however Manny has become a cancer to the team, you can't replace his numbers especially in the post season, but right now the team is not playing ball, too many distraction. If he is not traded hopefully Manny will come out and say "I'm glad to still be a Red Sox and let's go repeat!"

I think Bay will be much better when he comes to boston, he's put up similar numbers to manny and he is hitting in the pirates lineup, put him in the sox line up and i think he will be even better

Watching Jason Bay hit a baseball is as much fun as watching JD Drew play right field.

Yes, yes, yes. please.

pull the trigger!!!

Please please please please please please PLEASE do this trade! I'm a Manny fan but enough already! He don't wanna be here? Fine, and if you can get something for him? Even better.

You know, I bet most people out there in "Red Sox Nation" have trouble identifying or sympathizing with a petulant, self-absorbed ballplayer that is unhappy and can't seem to find "peace of mind" with an employer that pays him $20 million per year.

His "unhappiness" this season have included the now widely publicized rants on ESPNdeportes (the AL Jazzari of TV sports), fights with teammates and an assault of the team's 64 year old traveling secretary. Why wasn't this jackass FIRED and arrested after that incident?

How many of you out there with "regular" jobs would still be employed after such conduct?

With $4/gal gasoline, two wars, an economy in the crapper and all the other real problems people face everyday, this nonsense is hard to fathom. Baseball should be fun. It should help take our minds off the real-life issues we have to deal with all the time.

This is not fun. The Red Sox are not fun to watch anymore. They look like they are going through the motions - just standing around to collect a pacheck. It's become a chore to read the box scores or watch the game highlights.

No one player is bigger than the entire team. No one individual should be allowed to disrupt an organization to the point of dysfunction.

The Manny sycophants and apologists who have facilitated this behavior really need to get a grip on reality. It's time for some accountability.

MAKE THE TRADE. I'm not a Manny basher.. But his production is not what it used to be.. plus he wants out! Do it! Jason Bay is a solid player, not Manny but still a decent fill in. I don't know why people think the sox would be dramatically worse without Manny. We survived 2 months without Ortiz! We add Bay and shed Manny's salary for next year.. More money to spend in the offseason. Why take the chance of Manny quitting on us during the stretch run. MAKE THE TRADE

Grab it. Something's better than nothing with this ding bat. You think NO-mah was trouble? Keep Manny and watch what happens.

Make the trade. We loved Manny, but he's given up on us so it's time to give up on him.

I'm in favor of Bubbawirbz's (#9) proposal....I have always hoped we would get Hanley back someday.

Manny is only physically in Boston (more then ever). He is not even giving any effort to runing out ground balls. I will have no problem cheering for Jason Bay !!
Trade him !!!

Yes, indeed. I think that the team is too focused on this issue and not on playing great baseball (witness their recent record). Manny has made it clear, more than once, that he wants to go. So, Theo, give him his wish. Just make sure that the Yankees can't get him!

Its more than just a comparison of numbers - Bay vs. Ramirez. Manny's attitude and energy are killing our ball team. You can see it and feel it at a game. I can imagine Jason Bay will revitalize a championship feeling in the team with his gratitude to come to Boston and desire to contribute. I hope the trade happens - and I'm sad to see the greatest hitter of his time need to leave Boston. Whether killing the ball or slumping - Manny has never gloated, or made excuses. he loves the game. I would be upset too if I were offered for trade all the time with the numbers he puts up every year (20 + homers 14 straight years). We would not have our two recent world series without him. I'm sorry to see him go like this - but It is time. Manny was Manny for us - and until today - it was great. Thats how I will remember him.

I love Manny and will always be appreciative of what he has given Boston. That being said, He is done! He no longer wants to play in Boston, and will tank the rest of the season. I know he is in a contract year but the dude doesn't need money.

Move him now...I believe it will change the attitude of the team and good things will happen.

At this point, it really is immaterial whether this deal makes the Sox better or not. Manny is already gone, whether now or at the end of the year. The choice comes down to getting KNOWN quantities for him - two proven MLB players - or UNKNOWN quantities - two draft picks; picks we don't get unless we offer Manny arbitration, I believe. What sense would arbitration make in this case?
Whether the deal is worth it or not doesn't even hinge upon Manny. It hinges upon WHICH propects we would have to give.
Would we have traded a couple of prospects for Grabow? ABSOLUTELY - depending, once again, upon WHICH prospects.
Manny for Bay versus just losing Manny? That's a no-brainer.

If the trade is done then great, Bay is a decent bat and the more talent in the bullpen the better, if not then no matter, at least this damn deadline will be out of the way and the talk can stop and the baseball can start again.

Manny is the Jeremy Shockey of baseball, get rid of him and they will improve

Manny is the all time - repeat All Time home run hitter in the playoffs - that's Numero 1. Why? Clutch hitters - or for that matter, anybody who performs best under all that pressure has to have a huge, a great ego. These kinds of people are different cats from the rest of us.
Look at A-Rod, a great player who has built his stats on the weakest pitchers. But when it comes to Playoff Production, when it really counts, he sucks.
As a dedicated Red Sox fan, I will put up with Manny, if he produces and he does. Why? Because I want to win. Bottom line.

Bad on defense. Wont run out a ground ball. 20 Mil. for 09 (Yeah Right)
Every once in a while gets a big hit. Get rid of him.

I'd trade him, get as much as I can for Malcontent Ramirez, and then...........I'd sign Barry Bonds.

Yeah, signing Bonds would produce the same creepy feeling as waking up next to a regrettable one-night stand (or a Yankees fan), but "When You Can't Be With The One You Love, Love the One You're With"

do-doo-do-doo-do-do-doo-do

Trade Manny? Are you kidding me...

We have had this discussion before, right?! But, this time it's different, right?! This disagreement too shall pass.

His critics will point out that Manny didn't run hard to first base the other day as an example as to how he is hurting the team. Despite all the criticism about how he has checked out, Manny is our hottest hitter right now (last 15 games). His critics will also point out that he is affecting the clubhouse. What is the source of this information? None will be given.

I expect Manny will pinch hit tonight and provide a game winning hit just like he did after the trading deadline in 2006. But, this time it's different, right?!

Make the trade - if Manny winds up staying, he'll go into the tank for the remainder of the season anyway, so this is a no-brainer. A quitter can't be tolerated at any level - folks have compromised their ethics long enough by enabling this guy over the years. Pull the trigger.

I think Scott Boras is behind the scenes tell Manny how to act up. Pick up the next two years of his options and tell Scott to go...

Manny, Lugo and Buckholtz to the Marlins for Hanley!

Keep Manny! He's a future Hall of Fame player, and he's already here. I don't trust Bay's numbers or future after he nosedived last year, and Grabow has been inconsistent throughout his career.

get him away from our team! he is a plague, he shows no concern for anything but himself - which really makes for a great team player - and honestly we don't need him or his 5 year old antics. good riddance Manny, go be Manny somewhere else, PLEASE.
so thank you, in advance, Theo - thank you.

Sox are not going to win the world series or even make the playoffs with Manny. He is bringing the team down. Bay has similar numbers. Over the last 4 years he has averaged 30 hr's and 91 rbi's. He was hurt last season for a bit.

Enough is enough. Make the trade and force Manny to make up his mind.

If this trade happens you can count on seeing Manny in pinstripes next year. Manny is still very vital. Keep him John Henry!

My big question is if you trade and get bay are you going to sign him to a long-term deal? Plus is you wait and hang on to manny who is going to be a free agent next year to sign...If holliday is free at season's end keep manny and then pay holliday whatever he wants

We should trade for Hermida and some younger people from the Marlins. Build a team around Lowrie, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Moss, and Hermida rather than just shuffle players around for a 30 year old middle reliever and a 30 year old up and down type player in Jason Bay. Take the young players in Hermida and Allison maybe and stay with them.

I just pulled up Jason Bay's stats and noticed he does not hit left handed pitching--only .190 avg vs. southpaws. I can't see how any fan can argue that Bay will "replace" Manny's production. I am just imagining a close game where the other team brings in a lefty to face Ortiz, if the Sox get Bay they will leave the lefty in to face Bay.

On the other hand, if Manny is going to continue to speak out and cause constant problems, I don't believe he should stay. I also think Scott Boras is doing his utmost to convine Manny he must act-up to force a trade here because if the Sox pick-up Manny's option, he receives absolutely no money because he did not negotiate the sox deal. Maybe I'm reading too much into things but Manny has never been this vocal in the past and seems as though this has coincided with the hiring of Boras.

So many flip-flopping haters out there. Has everybody forgotten that Manny brought us a title 6 months ago. What he still does for the Sox. I don't care if Bay's stats are a close match, I'd bet Manny's contract that they plummet under the Fenway pressure (and who wouldn't pitch around Papi to face Jason Bay). Fans have become so obsessed with fantasy baseball that all they think they are trading on are the stats. Somebody is always going to be made to be the bad guy in Boston, it's what sportswriters have to do to keep up some dynamic tension. If Manny goes, they'll just move on to someone else. I think Tito said it best "I'd take a guy that's hitting .500 that's miserable as opposed to a guy that hands out bouquets to his teammates and is hitting a buck 45." The team will not be better in 2008 if this trade happens and that's what deadline deals for contenders are supposed to do. The team will not be better next year either, so let him play and take the compensatory picks next year if he blows off the remainder of 2008. If he's playing for a free agent contract, expect a big second half and let him walk after the Sox win back-to-back.

Baby-manny has looked @ far too many close pitches & struck out far too many times all season long ! I've hated seeing that ! If he could he'd bring a mirror up to bat along w/ his bat & UGLY dew. If someone, like Kevin Millar was around to put baby-manny against a clubhouse wall & read him the riot act that his crap has got to stop--evidently not even Papi will take the chance, What he (Baby-M) needs is an old fashioned ass-whippin' to remind him that he OWES RED SOX NATION & even more his RED SOX TEAM hussle ! Would Baby-M listen ? I think not. So I vote to kick his ass anyway, then trade him for real, live, TEAM players that want to play.
Send baby-manny back to his Weston, Fl home w/ a blackeye & the knowlege he could NOT pull his sit-down strikes ever again for aTEAM that wants to win.

So many flip-flopping haters out there. Has everybody forgotten that Manny brought us a title 6 months ago. What he still does for the Sox. I don't care if Bay's stats are a close match, I'd bet Manny's contract that they plummet under the Fenway pressure (and who wouldn't pitch around Papi to face Jason Bay). Fans have become so obsessed with fantasy baseball that all they think they are trading on are the stats. Somebody is always going to be made to be the bad guy in Boston, it's what sportswriters have to do to keep up some dynamic tension. If Manny goes, they'll just move on to someone else. I think Tito said it best "I'd take a guy that's hitting .500 that's miserable as opposed to a guy that hands out bouquets to his teammates and is hitting a buck 45." The team will not be better in 2008 if this trade happens and that's what deadline deals for contenders are supposed to do. The team will not be better next year either, so let him play and take the compensatory picks next year if he blows off the remainder of 2008. If he's playing for a free agent contract, expect a big second half and let him walk after the Sox win back-to-back.

Manny is not worth the aggravation and disruption he is causing to the team. Everything seems to center around Manny vs the TEAM. I could follow a little league team and see less nonsense.
Jason Bay's numbers are pretty equal to those of Manny's (this year), let's roll the dice and focus on the TEAM's run for a pennant............................BYE Manny

Right now Manny is a cancer to this team. Sox are not even going to make the playoffs if they keep him. Jason Bay has good numbers. He has averaged 30 hr's and 90+ rb's over last 4 seasons. Last year he was hurt. He will be better with the sox.

Enough is enough. Manny has got to go.

Send Manny to the Portland Seadogs

Dump Manny and pick up JJ Putz as well

I remember Manny hoping to finish his career in Boston, now he's saying he's too good for us. What has changed? Scott Boras is his agent and these types of schemes should be no surprise.

Manny will quit on the Sox like he did two years ago and the season will be over. Get what you can now because he is gone at the end of the season anyway. Bay and the reliever will help now and the sox won't make it to the playoffs if they don't get help in the bullpen.

If the sox can pull off this deal, and SOMEHOW get to keep the Marlins A-ball outfielder Mike Stanton... along with Bay and Grabow... then we could be looking at Theo's version of the Slocumb for Lowe & Tek.

I was thinking the same thing a couple of others have been thinking...Send Manny and some others to the Marlins and get Hanley back! But that would be highly doubtful to happen. In my opinion, Hermedia might be the better option. While Bay is a great player and has put up similar numbers to Manny, in Bay's 7 years he's only hit .300 once and he's 29. Hermedia on the other hand is 24 with what I think to be good upside. But I'll welcome either player to Boston. As long as they're comitted to the team and winning another title...something Manny is clearly not comitted to doing.

I thought the Dodgers were intrested? And I read SI and it said that they were even offering Matt Kemp. Why don't they just make a trade with the Rockies for Matt Holliday and Fuentes for Manny Ramirez, Hansen, H. Jones, C. Smith, Zachary Daeges. That should be enough. If the Sox do trade Manny to the Marlins, can we get Hanley Ramirez back haha ? ...........seriously though?

The one thing to remember when looking at their numbers. Bay is in the NL, even worse he is in the NL Central. The pitching is inferior, just look at how great every AL pitcher becomes in the NL (if you need proof look at the numbers of Roid Roger for the Astros compared to his Yankee numbers)

Manny is a space cadet, but he's OUR space cadet. Also, don't discount how much of his behavior is being directed by Scott Boras' advice.

Send Manny off and either keep the Marlins (Hermida and prospects) for decent hitting, better baserunning and the future or exchange them for the Pirates (Bay and Grabow) who has similar power, they're still netting at least $12.5mm in 2009 with Bay and much more if they keep Hermida. This could be used towards signing someone in the offseason...say CC Sabathia?

That might be a long shot, but seeing highlights of a 280 pound pitcher sprinting to 1st base to tag out a runner and then get pumped up afterwards makes me remember why I love this game.

Get rid of this idiot!!! He is disgrace to baseball and its about time the sox stood up and made decisions that reflect a confident organization. In the long run we'll be better off. Manny's numbers are sliding, and he's getting older. There is no hope with Manny. He only plays when wants to play...Lousey outfelder, no hustle and his dredlocks constantly get in his way. Get Bay @ any cost...and lets move on.

Get rid of this idiot!!! He is disgrace to baseball and its about time the sox stood up and made decisions that reflect a confident organization. In the long run we'll be better off. Manny's numbers are sliding, and he's getting older. There is no hope with Manny. He only plays when wants to play...Lousey outfelder, no hustle and his dredlocks constantly get in his way. Get Bay @ any cost...and lets move on.

I don't think the Redsox should involve the Pirates. Getting Jason Bay is a short term plug for left field but I believe the package of prospects from Florida is better in the long run than a Bay/Grabow package. Get rid of Manny as he'll be a cancer for the remainder of the season, but think longer term and give Moss/Hermidia playing time in left. The Sox have enough offense even without Manny, what they really need is team chemistry and solid pitching as the season winds down.

Unfortunately I agree that it is time for Manny to go. Package the prospects that you need to w/ Manny (except Lester) and go get Hanley. Hanley would solve the offensive production issue in losing Manny and provide some long term stability at our worst position (SS.) Even if you need to eat this year's salary and pick up a portion of next year's - do it. Then take one/two of the other prospects and go get a young catcher (Salty) from Texas as the long term replacement for VTek.

This trade would be reminiscent of the Nomar trade to the Cubs and that seemed to work out well if I recall correctly.

if we want to have a fun watching the Sox play the game the rest of the way wherther they win it all or not........let Mr. M hitchhike his way to Miami where he will not have so Manny flash lights on him and let him disappear into the horizon of Miami sun set!!!!! He is a selfish man and of course the Sox does not deserve him! Good luck, Theo!

This should not be about money, or past performance, or statistics. DO THE RIGHT THING. Field a team of team-mates, players who show enthusiasm, hustle, and (God Forbid) loyalty. The Red Sox should at least partially be about CHARACTER, the good, not Three Stooges variety. DUMP THIS BUM. Performance should never outweigh integrity, nor should the end justify the means.

It's a No Braina...trade him and move on....were not going anywhere right now with him and this may be the breathing room Terry needs to put some wind in the sails for a stretch run to the playoffs. If a pitcher can have a winning record with the Pirates and an ERA below 4...then he must be good.

This past Monday night I attended the marlins-Mets game in a sauna-like ballpark.
I really wore my blue #24 baby-manny t-shirt which i added in big black letters on freezer tape the word "T R A D E" on the back. I then walked by the marlins bullpen b-4 the game. A few players read it & laughed & even 1 commented "we couldn't afford him !" i used to stick up for baby-M, noting his better outfield catches, quick releases back to the cutoff men. I've lived in Florida for 21 yrs, baby-M should have gotten his ass kicked after the 2006 "strike" as well as phyche meds & weekly sessions w/ a Phd Dr. Baby-M, I would have asked to shake your hand & take a picture of you, now if I ever see you again in So. Fl-I'll have to wear a gag to stop myself from calling you pompass ass you really r. Take your bat & shove it.

I am a Manny fan, but Manny has become toxic and needs to go. If they can get Bay and a reliever, that would be fantastic--even Bay by himself is enough. The team at this point will be better without him (addition by subtraction), as he has become too big a sideshow and distraction (and I think he knows it, and that's how he playing his cards right now). If they can't make a trade, I'd even consider releasing him (if that's possible), so the Sox can get back to playing and focusing on baseball. ...And I'm a Manny fan. He is second only to Ted Williams as a hitter in Boston baseball history, still it's time to move on asap!

Absolutely, time to dump Manny. He's rarely if ever been a team player, only concerned about himself and what everyone can do to kiss his feet. We've put up with his mercurial antics for far too long because of what he brought to the table. The reality is his numbers are on the downswing, let's cut out this cancer and get something for him now, instead of twiddling our thumbs and getting nothing later on. Manny's clearly disrupting the clubhouse just like Nomar did before he was traded, so let's do the deal and improve the Sox clubhouse. I'm afraid if we keep him this season he'll bring the whole team and season down and we won't get to the postseason

A bag of balls would be good enough for me!

Lets do it. Lets get it over so that our players can stop worrying about the Manny trade and get to work on not allowing NL caliber teams like the Angels to sweep us.

I think Manny must be traded, its obvious he thinks he has done no wrong. If he just produced he might have recieved his extension. I think I rather keep the young talent from Florida than trade it to Pittsburgh. Bay and Grabow is not enough for Manny. Especially if there giving them 7 million or whatever he makes.

This region is rearing its ugly racist head one more time. Your wrath can be heard nationwide, "No one likes an uppity minority 'round here!"
If you don't act the right way around these parts you will be public enemy number one. Forget the other people involved in this mess and THEIR Sinister MOTIVES, there is no justification for a long-haired minority to think he's better than blue collar New Englanders. How dare he make more money than "Sully the Plummah" or "Fitzy the Road Workah"- he plays a kids game! He should thank his lucky stars he isn't plucking mangos off the tree. (An actual statement I heard someone say!)
This whole Manny thing makes me ashamed to live here!! What a disgusting reminder of how much things HAVEN'T changed. A racist attitude blinded by the rage of one color- GREEN.

Enough is enough. I'd rather have a cardboard cut-out of Manny in the lineup these days. At least we know IT would show up for games and give a 100% everyday. Who knows, if the wind was blowing strong enough, it would probably even run down the first base line faster than the real thing. Too bad Manny can't give us those same guarantees for the $20 million he's pulling down. Manny it's been a great ride but the bus stops here. Time for you to go be "Manny being Manny" somewhere else.

i don't want manny to go! the current deal seems like the sox get screwed anyway, so just keep manny. now we only get bay and we pay mannys salary, meanwhile the pirates and marlins make out huge. manny will play hard if he stays in boston, he wants the big contract for next year for where ever he plays!

Fellas:

Though the cardinal rule is never to trade a pure hitter like Manny, I think the Sox brass is satisfied enough with Drew’s production this year to let Manny (and his $20+ million a year) go. Since Bay makes $6m, this clears up a ton of money and would put the Sox in the position of going after a guy like C.C. Sabathia this winter. Plus, on a dollar-for-dollar basis, I think Bay may actually be a better value (and that's not putting a $$ figure on the "Manny being Manny" antics). Without Manny (and with Bay), they’re still top 5 in the league in hitting. Plus, Manny is 36; Bay is 29. Seems like Theo and pals may have made the decision not to excercise Manny's option for 2009, so they need to get value for him now. This deal would be as much about this year as it would be about the future. Typical Theo; great foresight. The only thing that remains is for us to find out how much of the $20m the Sox have to eat...

Theo, My Man! Go for it But just add the AA catcher the Marlins have, that TEAGARDEN guy, maybe for Lights-Out Hansen. I think the latter would do much better in the low-keyed market on the Fighting-Fish. Give TEAGARDEN a two year apprenticeship under Varitek and Farrell and he'll be a mainstay and we won't even remember Manny's name. Remember, Manny is only a symptom of the Sox troubles.

I would like to see Boston's esteemed media/journalists do what they get paid to do which is dig deep do the research to find out what has happened between Ramirez and the Red Sox since the beginning of the season when Ramirez said he wanted to finish his career in Boston...Manny Being Manny is as much a media creation as was the Curse...do your job and provide us with the information we need to make an informed decision re: what should or should not happen with Ramirez....what is best for the Red Sox, short and long term...

Be VERY careful. I remember when the Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy. There was a crisis and the Habs traded too quickly. They didn't get as much as Roy was worth and they ended up screwing up their team for the following 10 years.
It's a very big decision and when a team isn't in a position of force to make a deal, they often end up getting screwed. Gotta look at the big picture.
Right now, the whole Manny situation seems worse because Ellsbury, Lugo, Drew, Varitek and Lowell aren't hitting and the middle relief pitchers aren't doing f all. If all of the above mentioned were playing to their potential, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

If Manny is not trade then I want to be traded!! The Red Sox don't deserve a fan like me. I love Boston, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about the money. Mental peace has no price and I will not have peace until Manny is gone!!

Trade him. He won't go to NY, he would have to get his hair cut.

Jason Bay, Jeremy Hermida ....... either one would be better than Manny in his current frame of mind. This one would be addition by subtraction. Just look at the way the BoSox have played the last two nights. This guy has them so psyched out and screwed up that there is no way he should not be gone. He has become a cancer in the clubhouse. It seems to be so bad that if I were Theo, I'd be likely to release him on Aug 1 if I can't trade him.

There is only one reason to trade Manny and that has got to be he has pushed his last button with the Red Sox brass. Getting a "fair" compensation for him will NEVER happen when you make decisions over haste. At some point trying to put emotions aside with the type of personality that Manny is and his antics in the dugout while the Sox lose 5 out of 6 to good caliber teams is extremely difficult to hold back when you squander your playoff hopes and watch your teammates struggle with this whole escapade. What ever they do, I hope the Red Sox remember who is ultimately being affected here. The TEAM!!!

Trade Manny for an excellent reliever or prospect and sign Barry Bonds to play left! How about Bonds and Ortiz in the same lineup?

I think what they should do is release Manny and go after either red sox great Jack Clark or Sam Horn, who looked to be in good shape from last year's NESN job. I don't know why they got rid of Sam Horn on that show btw. He was full of knowledge and insight! Another guy they should consider is Lee Tinsley or Tuffy Rhodes.

BANG! That's the sound of Theo pulling the trigger and Manny leaving town!

Getting someone like Jason Bay in a deal for Manny would be just fantastic!
I am sick of Manny's act and if they could get an adequate replacement like Bay or even Jeremy Hermida, I am all for the deal. He is going to walk at the end of the season anyway. The Sox would be crazy to pick up his option. Let's move on and bring an end to the Manny era today!!

You will never get equal value for Manny.He is the reason why opposing pitchers fear the Sawx.As a Yankee fan, I always breathe a sigh of relief when he's not in the lineup.I think it will also put more stress on the Sox pitching staff knowing that runs for the team will be harder to come by.In clutch situations, who would you rather have at bat?

You will never get equal value for Manny.He is the reason why opposing pitchers fear the Sawx.As a Yankee fan, I always breathe a sigh of relief when he's not in the lineup.I think it will also put more stress on the Sox pitching staff knowing that runs for the team will be harder to come by.In clutch situations, who would you rather have at bat?

Each and every year we (BOSOX FANS) pour our support and love out for Manny, no matter what he does. Even when he skips to first base and gets thrown out on aplay that was just as likely to be safe, with a little effort, or when he casually strolls to catch a pop fly that ends up landing 2 feet in front of him, or how about his annual F-U to this team, when he tells us how much he wants to leave.
Sorry, but this fan has decided my days of showering Manny with love and support have come to a close. I'm just too tired of the yearly soap opera put on by his majesty...... I'm tired of hearing about how much he loves it here, and then before you can print that quote, you're writing about how according to Manny, the Sox don't deserve a player like him. And ya know i agree, the Sox deserve a player who will play hard no matter what, a player who puts the team ahead of his personal dramatic saga, a player who recognizes what he has, instead of always wanting something else.
NEWSFLASH: He doesn't deserve fans like us either, this organization and us fans have paid him like a king, we've allowed him to behave as he pleases with no repercussions, in fact we create catchy slogans inspired by his childish behavior, we put him on a pedistal through all his BS........ and somehow the Sox don't deserve HIM! Give me a break. I hope enjoys his next home, because i can promise you he won't get away with what he got away with here.
So i wish him luck and hope someday he finds contentment. However, as for all my fellow Sox fans, I think we should warmly welcome Hermida, Bay, Willingham, Burrell, or whoever else may come along, with open arms, and i only hope the Monster is patroled by someone who appreciates the love we'll show them.

How can Manny not be happy in Boston???? This guy has been a slacker since he got here. Great hitter, but do we need the drama day in and day out? I can't believe they have kept him here this long. Send him down to Florida where they haven't sold out a game in yrs. He's such a bum!!!!!!! Do you think Jason Bay will trot down the line after hitting a ground ball to the infield???

As Kenny Rogers sang "You need to know when to hold 'em and know when to walk away" It's time the SOX walk away from Manny...he now presents as a cancer on the TEAM and things will only get worse over time. The package of Bay and the left hander is more than I thought they would get. Pull the trigger NOW!

Complain, complain complain -- these guys play a game for their job - any one of us would trade places with them for one-tenth of the salary -- nurses and teachers actually make a difference in the world - guys like Manny make me sad. I wonder what Ted Williams would do.....

Yesterday, one poll had the numbers at 65% favoring a Manny trade, and now this one is at nearly 80%? Boy, there sure are a lot of fools in RED SOX NATION...This would be the worst trade since Sparky for Danny, only more so....

Please dear god...get rid of that cancer. He is killingthis team and cares about no one but himself. I would take Jack Wilson's contract as well. Just do it!!!

This would be about as close to trading him to the Yankees as you can get. They must be giddy in anticipation that nothing screws this from happening. Bay is a good player but, how many clutch hits down the stretch and in postseason have we watched on ESPN by the Pirates outfielder?

Watching the Sox lately,, I wonder why there has been so much focus on Manny, This is an annual mid-summer ritual. Let it play out. Then look at the bottom of the order and and the back-up pitching. Timlin, Delcarmon, these are the guys you need to replace. Were the Sox to make it to the playoffs, you would regret it if Manny were not there.

If this isn't an Eric Gagne deal then pull the trigger already! What are you waiting for??!!

I think we have all had enough of "Manny being Manny". He is a poison to our beloved Red Sox and after these last few weeks the club has felt a bit snake bitten. It is time to get rid of him and bring in some younger talent.

How many people think Manny gets traded to Florida, plays two months there and then signs with Yanks for 4 years then comes back to beat our brains in at the plate for years to come? Why not bench him for rest season for conduct detrimental to team, pick up his option at end of season and then trade him somewhere obscure in NL for a year. $20M money commitment is obscene, but if Sawx were diabolical, they would ensure he wouldn't pull a Damon and sign with our biggest rival in next chapter of his career.

I would not do the deal, although I feel it has probably already been done, Manny knows that and that is the reason for his unhelpful comments of last night. A couple of other points: Bay will have to entirely re-learn his approach with the Red Sox. When you are a Red Sox middle of the line up hitter you might see one or two pitches a GAME that you want to swing at. This is not like playing for a horrific team like the Pirates who other team's pitchers just lay it it in to because they are always 3-4 runs ahead or the other knows it can get to the Pirates' pitchers any time they want. Bay could have a real period of adjustment here, and not just because he is moving from the weaker league to the stronger league. I agree with those who say that we pretty much take ourselves out of contention this year and maybe next year by doing this deal. That does not mean you don't do it if you feel long term that it is better for you. But then why not just decline Manny's option in the off season and sign a better hitter than Bay? Over the next two months it is almost impossible to believe that Bay wd be better for us than a productive Manny. I guess you only do the deal if you believe Manny can't be productive now--but the guy is hitting 300 and has been hot recently. I don't think the deal makes sense at this point.
One more reason I don't like the deal: it smacks of scapegoating. We have a LOT of guys who are underperforming on the field: Beckett, Lowell, Drew lately, Ellsbury, Crisp, Varitek, Buckholtz, all of the relief pitchers except Papelbon, to name just the most obvious. They have to pick themselves up and play better. They can't use Manny's erratic behavior as an excuse for why they are not measuring up on the field. Trading Manny does not address their real problems, which need to be addressed on an individual basis.
Finally, when we do this deal we risk sending Manny's best friend, our best player at this point, David Ortiz, into a total funk. That is the last thing we need for the next two months.
I would not do the deal and make my decision about Manny in November, when my season is over and I have more options to replace Manny than just Jason Bay.

if they make this trade the red sox will regret bay and manny may have similair numbers this year but seriously who would you rather face with the game on the line bay or manny the answer is obviously manny kill this deal and go to la for the trade and get kemp they are willing to trade him for manny bay is not young cant hit breaking balls and is a complete joke it would be a disgrace having him playing where #9 #8 #14 and #24 have played because he is mediocre playing for a terrible team if he was great he would have a slg% over .550 a obp over .400
and a batting average over .300 dont trade manny in the 3 way deal because pittsburgh is giving you 2 mediocre players for a hall of famer they would be better off kepping the prospects from the marlins along with hermida who is 12 years younger than manny and will turn out to be a better player than bay ever will be

I've seen a lot of people question the difference between AL and NL numbers, and I won't disagree (Renteria was a good example), but think about how much better Bay would be in your lineup between Big Papi and Miek Lowell than he is in a lineup between Ryan Doumit and Whatever chump the Pirates decide to bat fifth in their lineup (it WAS Xavier Nady, but now the platoon of Laroche (DL), Jason Michaels, Steve Pearce, Doug Mientkiewicz).

I think you may see an even BETTER Jason Bay than the one we've seen here, cause now he has something to play for.

One piece of adive to Francona about Grabow - only use him when cleaing up someone else's mess. The guy is MONEY in stranding inherited runners, but do NOT under any circumstances, start an inning off with him. That is when he gives up most of his runs.

No matter what happens at the deadline, good luck down the stretch Sox Fans, I'm pullin for ya.

Don't forget the Sox put Manny on waivers a couple of years ago and the Yanks or anyone could have gotten him, but no one claimed him!! Ramirez is an unclassy act, but without him there will be that big void of waiting for him to do something stupid to put into the media. Unfortunately we need him to keep from being bored watching batters step out of the box, adjust their batting gloves, or scratch their nuts.

The best scenario would be to keep him if they could manage his behavior.

But with Don "God I'm Hideous!" Fehr and his Gestapo, management doesn't have any leverage.

He is a unique player who can't be replaced but I'd take Bay. He's got really good numbers in a very poor lineup and could blossom in Boston.

Well, 112 comments and 99% say to trade the cancer.... I understand that its a sensitive matter, but Manny has really oversteped his bounds and when you start bashing the people that sign your checks, you need to leave.

see ya manny

He's a large child....talented yes, but a large child who seems to have a temper tantrum everytime the issue of trade comes up. He's a big instigator....give him what he wants -- get rid of him ---- and see how another team will put up with his crap. There are more important things to focus on like fighting cancer.
To bad that being talented and having lots of $ makes some people act like idiots...and people put up with it. Go figure.... nice team player.

CAUTION - WARNING - DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!
We can't believe anything this guy says. He SAID he would okay a trade, that does not mean he WILL. And he just petulant enough to do it. This trade could be all done, and he could veto it- so, I say make the deal, but remember where you read this - Manny being Manny, the Final Chapter says he vetoes the deal AND shuts it down.

Is this a concession from Theo, anyway. Seems we can't beat the Angels and he is thinking about re-loading for next year........Manny gets in the Hall of Fame, but Pete Rose doesn't??? Seems unfair to me.

its time for Manny to go while he is still worth more than a pile of composte.like Nomar he is becoming a cancer and will only drag this team into his own selfish sewer.Bye bye.Its time for Manny to be Manny somewhere else.

Bye Manny!!! I Live in Fort Lauderdale and go to the Marlin's Games when the Sox play here.. otherwise going to that stadium is a complete NIGHTMARE! I can't wait to go down and see Manny in Left field all alone in front of 5000 "fans"!! PERFECT! Enjoy playing in Miami the rest of the year Manny!!! hahahahahahaha what a complete waste of a life this guy is... The Sox paid him 168 MILLION dollars over eight years, FENWAY sells out EVERY night to watch these guys play, the place (needless to say ) is ELECTRIC every night... Manny you are correct.. The Red Sox don't deserve you... they deserve someone in historic left field who actually gives a crap about the game... goodbye .. hope to see you in Miami so I can heckle the life out of you!! hahahahah ..oh ... and I WILL!!!

Manny + Boras = Disaster! This whole situation stinks of Boras. Remember his media manipulation during the World Series? Having A-Rod try to steal the limelight - typical Boras bull. If Manny stayed a Red Sox and his option gets picked-up, Boras gets no agent commission, however if Manny gets released and signs a new contract, Boras gets commission. Knowing Boras' history, doesn't it seem reasonable that Boras is pulling Manny's strings? Boras will screw a team and a player for his bucks.

You people call yourselves true Red Sox fans? How quickly you forget the consistent numbers, World Series MVP, and clutch hits Manny has produced in his time with the Sox. Manny can be replaced by only a handful of players in MLB, none of which would be considered in a trade now, or in November. You should be thanking Manny for the 2 championships he helped bring to Boston. Without him on the team, we would still be hearing the 1918 chants. You folks must love the spoon-fed B.S. the media is feeding you....taste good?

Put your "what have you done for me lately" attitudes, along with your pink Red Sox hats and throw them into your Red Sox wastebaskets. Your "Red Sox Nation" membership cards have been revoked!

Theo, pick up the option!

I've been a fan of Manny for a long time, even before he was with the Red Sox, but I have to say that this is the last draw. I am sick of Manny's antics and I am sick of him distracting the team. He's been a very productive player over the years, but the Red Sox can now acquire a player who can match his production and will not complain about it. I'm sure Jason Bay would be honored to play for a competitive team like the Red Sox and would not take the opportunity for granted. Not to mention how nice it would be to see our starting left fielder actually run out grounders on a regular basis. Make this trade Theo. Show the audacity you have to shake things up, just as you did in 2004.

Pull the trigger, lets do it.

Bay is younger and has a better attitude and is certainly no slouch.

Enough with Manny. Adios, muchacho.

Yay Jason Bay, welcome to Boston!

"We'll send your bags Mr. Ramirez...."

"Southwest airlines has a lot of flights going to Florida..."

"Don't let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya...."

Bye Manny.

NO. Manny is better than both over a longer period of time. He's relatively cheap at his current salary. He has an annual hissy and everyone gets over it. John Henry ( a patient and successful investor) knows that he cannot receive equal or better value right now so the deal shouldn't happen. Which of the three players mentioned would a pitcher least prefer to face? The farm team is stocked ( I live in Portland a watch the Seadogs ) so we're not desperate for prospects either. The AL east will go right down to the wire and we need Manny batting cleanup.

If this trade doesn't get done, the Red Sox will be. Manny has been a cancer for quite some time; now it's showing up, and spreading.

Bay is a good ball player, and will an even better hitter in Fenway, and in the middle of a decent line-up.

This is a no-brainer if I ever saw one!!!!

People keep mentioning that Bay is hitting against inferior pitching in the NL...or more specifically the NL Central. One should also consider that Bay is lucky to see one good pitch per at bat because he doesnt have ANYONE around him who is a threat. If he bats behind Ortiz and in front of Lowell, he will see alot better pitches to hit....So I think the whole NL pitching thing is a wash.
Any player who says that a team doesnt deserve him, and has treated him poorly after they pay him 20,000,000 (notice all the zeros in that number) per year. Lets not forget how the team looks the other way when he shows up late to training camp, sits out games with a phantom knee injury, assaults fellow employee's, fails to run on countless plays, has the same grandmother die TWICE, insults the team owners calling them "white devils"...SHALL I GO ON?
Now, to put things in perspective, take my job for example....I am constantly late, lazy, call in sick at the last minute with no doctors note, call my boss a white devil to everyone at the water cooler, and smack my secretary because she said something I didnt like.....BUT I create the best reports in the whole company, and sell a ton of product? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I would still get fired, and probably have charges filed against me for assaulting an co-worker.
Yeah Manny, they are really bad to you.....you are right, they dont deserve you, they deserve someone better. GET LOST

Piss off Manny, and may you have a genuinely bad hammy (for a long time) down in Miami.

The game of baseball deserves a lot more than an ungrateful like Manny..it does not matter how good he is Red Sox will be better off without him. Please trade him now. Thanks!!

Jason Bay hasn't played in a meaningful game in August or September since highschool maybe. I live in Pittsburgh and have seen alot of Bay. he's a bit streaky and Grabow is a bum.

WOW..has this guy galvanized public opinion...why do we have to grant him his wish to get out of town..He is under contract for gosh sakes...Make him play out the season...If he lays down on the job, play Moss. If Manny does not wake up and produce his OPTIONS will be greatly reduced..The Yankees won't even want him under those circumstances. The players know what a problem he is BUT they also are smart enough to know they are going nowhere without him..So it's a Hobson's choice, either way is not good..But at least we don't have to let him extort us into a decision before the season ends..

The Sox are in tailspin right now and are playing with no heart or fire. I'm sure the Manny issue has contributed quite largely to the situation. The way they look now they don't appear to be heading into the playoffs. With such an outlook with Manny on the team it may be best to trade him. The trade could inject now energy into the team and turn things around. Yes, from a logistical point of view, trading Manny would be an act of "addition but subtraction" and light a candle for the rest of the players. I’m soooooo... tired of hearing and seeing a guy making $20M a year whining like he does. Perhaps we can trade him to the Pats! I’m sure Tom Brady would not appreciate him as a teammate and Bill Belichick would certainly not tolerate him.

John Henry set off this latest string of events with a carefully staged public rebuke to something Manny allegedly said. Henry and Epstein orchestrated this entire scandal, knowing it would prompt Manny to respond. Its like the linebacker who slaps the guy across the line while the ref isn't looking, just so he'll lose his cool and slap back while the ref IS looking. Henry didn't get to be king by being nice. He set Manny up, and Manny fell into the trap. Against Henry's mammoth P.R. machine, tapped into by reporters eager to be "in the know", Manny never stood a chance. Say "good-Bay" to another pennant. By the way, Mike (Lowell), where are you when Manny needs you? Did you forget how he stuck his neck out for you last year?

After watching Manny run down to first base the other night when he grounded to third shows me his true colors..he is just one big friggin million dollar baby--ship him out and get a needed middle reliever--Manny is a freekin headache and just not a very good person. Maybe he can go beat up the Mariner's travel assistant.
What an A SSSS

Keep Manny. Both from a baseball performance perspective and from the comic relief. Boston will be a lesser team without the production, and will be less of a team without the spirit. Unfortunately, the Sox brass have a bug up their unmentionables, the press are just on the sidelines chanting "Fight! Fight!..", and Grumpy New England ("GNE") will always whine and moan about something. Let them whine about Manny. Manny is a better person than most, and is a signature player.

As much as I love Manny's bat, when he swings it, TRADE him. His attitude is childish bulls*** and he needs to go.

Why is Florida even in this discussion??? They are asking for Manny's salary +$$ and 2 prospects??? Why not keep Manny, offer him arbitration and send 2 pospects + the 2 draft picks we'll get from Manny to Pitt. for Bay? And then of course sit Manny, watch him devalue over the next 2 months and point and laugh at him and Boras when theyr get a 4 year/ $12 M deal offer from the KC Royals in the off season.

Bye Bye Manny! Don't Let The Door Hit You!

Why is Florida even in this discussion??? They are asking for Manny's salary +$$ and 2 prospects??? Why not keep Manny, offer him arbitration and send 2 pospects + the 2 draft picks we'll get from Manny to Pitt. for Bay?

And then of course sit Manny, watch him devalue over the next 2 months and point and laugh at him and Boras when theyr get a 4 year/ $12 M deal offer from the KC Royals in the off season.

Trade him Theo, he gave clubhouse too many headaches, we need a mature and professinal player, not childish like Many.

Manny was traded for a HAMMIE.
I predict he will still be with the Sawx and then he will pull the hammie excuse and call it a season.

No. The proposed deal does not make the Sox better. Bay's numbers would not be duplicated in the AL because, not only is the AL tougher, but he'll have to get used to new pitchers. This is not a good deal for the sox. This will all be over once the deadline is over and we'll just get back to things as they were. Patience is the key right now. This is all heightened because of the looming deadline. A week from now, it Manny's still with the team, it'll all be forgotten. Manny still has a new contract to play for.

Anyone who thinks Bay is in the same class as a hitter as Manny is way off. Sure Manny is a handful and a pain sometimes, but he's been a huge part of this teams two world championships and overall success. Fans memories are awful short. I think a lot of this attitude talk is junk. It's 2008, these players can and will do what they want. If you want false hustle and good attitude go watch little league. Myself, I'll take Manny being Manny over Jason Bay or whatever good attitude player they wheel in.

ESPN is reporting that a trade that would send Manny to the Twins for catcher Joe Mauer is 'all but final,' the only open issue is the Red Sox's reluctance to part with either Mike Timlin or Devern Hansack.

Seperately, the Yankees are close to seperate deals that would send Tim Lincecum to NY for the rights to Colter Bean and another sending Cliff Lee to the Bronx for some of Giambi's used syringes.

Who are you people? Boy, have you bought into the propaganda being put out by the front office, NESN and Peter Gammons, of all people.
The Red Sox should be ashamed. To let Manny go would be tantamount to biting off your nose to spite your face. He's one of the greatest hitters of all time and half of one of the most feared duos in baseball.This is not about winning baseball games. If it were, the Sox would be right out there saying he's our left fielder, etc.
It's about Front Office egos who have allowed media who need to sell papers or attract listeners to call the shots. Theo doesn't surprise me. John Henry does. Francona does.Jerry Remy, President of ALL of Red Sox Nation does. Peter Gammon does.. his friendship with Theo is really showing on this one. Shame , shame, shame. It's not about money.
I don't blame Manny for being angry ..he's been called a liar and somehow every year the Sox allow him to be discussed in public without taking his back. Tell me who works harder? Who has played in more games this year? One player, Dustin Pedroia. Who has the attitude we want to instill in our kids? Go out and give your best, if you don't succeed, don't let it eat you up. Forget it and go out and do your best tomorrow.
Unfortunately this year, I think Manny wanted to have a really great year because he wanted to stay in Boston. He had a slump that weighed on him - maybe for the first time - and that led to a couple of unfortunate and " unMannylike" problems.
What does the Sox organization do? With all the resources available to them? When they have a superstar obviously struggling, do they even have a spanish-speaking spokesperson/representative? Manny is a proud man and he loves to play baseball. Just remember his face the other night on the field with that big grin. If the Red Sox cannot find common ground with Manny they have no personnel expertise, whatsoever. Take a lesson Sox players.I think there are at least two troublemaking whiners in the clubhouse who complain and grouse about everything.. get rid of them.
Those of you who've been around awhile might remember how Ted Williams was hated by the media here AND many of the fans for "dogging" it around the bases, missing fly balls and then not going after them and saying he'd rather be a fireman when he got booed. He spit on reporters, gave the finger to fans etc. The criticisms were similar and worse. Teddy said he'd never tip his cap again to the fans ffor the treatment he received and he hated the press. BUT Tom Yawkey had his back. He understood what he was going through.
When Daisuke was brought over, the Sox brought and bought many additional aids to help him feel comfortable -from translators to physical therapists. Very appropriate.
All I'm saying, is treat Manny like the valuable man he is. He doesn't want to be babied. If you want to win ball games, make the effort to get to know him, who he really is and stop making him the goat.
I have been a fan since the 50's and nothing has disturbed me more than this. There are some things you learn as you get older and one of them is that you need to take a breath and take your ego out of situation. Theo hasn't learned this yet. He may be intelligent but he's not very smart. Neither is the Sox organization if they don't repair this and let him get away. I really hope it's not too late.

Manny has been a big run producer for us over the years, especially in 04'. However, we could us a new run producer and with Bay being 6 years older and already on contract for 09' it would appear to be a good trade. However, Bay does play in the national league and I don't know if he would be able to make the switch to the american league quick enough for us to make a playoff push. I have loved "Manny being Manny" for many years, but it might be time we part ways with the future hall of famer because Jason Bay just might be that piece of the puzzle we need to win another championship.

Nobody would have taken this trade at the beginning of the season because manny is a better hitter than Bay. However, this year has been a rollercoster year for Manny and he hasn't been the consistent hitter of recent years. So maybe it is time for a fresh start with Jason Bay

manny is 100% right and 80% of red sox nation are dead wrong. the sox brass and us fans have been an enabler all these years of manny being manny and its landed us two world series titles. to turn on him now and boo him like the fateful have been doing repeatedly when he's really acting no different than before is a flip flop worthy of our former governor. has the success gone to our heads or what, remember what happened last time we took for granted a world series star and kicked him to the curb?

Keep Manny -see if we can trade Epstein and Shaughnessy (throw in minor leaguer Cullen) for someone less clueless

I'm soooo tired of this aspect of Manny Being Manny. Yeah, it's great when he's fun and good things happen. But when he couldn't care less about the outcome of his actions, we should all care.
We cannot continue to see him not really put himself into catching the ball, rolling, stumbling and sitting on it, or perhaps one more time of not hustling up the base path, or that effortless swing, cause to him that's good enough.

I don't think it's the front office as much as Manny would say it is. We don't hear them come out with a new soundbite every day about how they aren't happy. They deal with his infantcy, though perhaps not behind closed doors when they tell him enough is enough...you're going for an MRI. That's when the child pitches a fit in public to embarrass the parent.

His actions are putting a damper on the team, they can't say it in public, they are a team.

I do hate the end of this era ofh the 1-2 punch but I think it's time to move on, and if Jason Bay's numbers are what they seem. I'm all for seeing him join "our team"

Keep him. Nothing being offered is even close. His presence also affects how teams approach Ortiz. You will not see that with a Jason Bay or any of the Dodger hacks being offered. And lets not forget about his playoff numbers. I dont think John Henry will sign off on any of the deals he is too smart a business man. Manny is what Manny is. The village idiot, a spoiled high priced baseball player and we must accept that. His current media comments are clearly directed at the team for not picking up his option. If I were the Red Sox I would pick up his option, this should shut him the f**k up and get him focused on baseball again. Then in the offseason try to trade him for a comprable player.

Reminds me of guys saying about women, "Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em!" Undoubtedly Manny has a lot of talent & ability - offensively obviously, and even defensively reasonably good when he wants to put out the effort, altho' as a baserunner he leaves A LOT of be desired! And therein lies the conundrum: one can put up with a LOT of his shenanigans when he's playing hard and being productive, but when Manny being Manny is lackadaisical and unmotivated , he drives one crazy! Remember LOW LONG Manny was "not talking" to the media, then recently he opened up and began showing his verbal (& English) skills - most folks thought, "Gee it's nice to see Manny relaxed enough to talk to us," and sadly now, we're mostly begging, "Manny hit the mute button already!" Can't live with him? Can't live without him? My vote is move him if you get a deal of ANY reasonable quality - surely, you don't want him back next year , do you?! (And forget this baloney line that, if we don't sign him up for the options, he'll be in pinstripes next year: 1) do the Yankees want more exhibits in their zoo?' and 2) I
heard the same panicked talk when they signed Johnny Demon (sorry, I had to) and we seem to have gotten the better end of that maneuver (to say nothing of letting Pedro go when it was time)...

MANNY IS MANNY - JUST REMEMBER THAT WHAT YOU ASK FOR
MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU REALLY NEED OR WANT.
The grass is greener on the other side of the fence (Jason Bay) BUT ~
When U get there you can see it is NOT as green as it looked......

Many folks were loyal to Nomah too, but recall how that trade paid off.

I haven't forgotten the ways that Manny has helped this team, and acknowledge that he works his butt off practicing despite his lackadaisical persona. But his lack of attentiveness and hustle in the field, plus his annual clamoring to be traded and complaints of being unhappy in Boston, do not help the team and are uncalled-for. Boston has adored Manny and appreciated him for years, despite (or because of?) his antics as well as his productivity. But the lack of hustle and phantom 'injuries' (remember last August?) are a clubhouse pox.

I say let's get Bay and a good reliever, and freshen up the Sox. And don't e afraid to trade Timlin if that will seal the deal!!!

That's right. Manny is being Manny. Who is a selfish, over-rated, arrogant player. Come on!!! Schilling and Lowell showed they were team players when they turned down the highest prices to stay in Boston where the fans love them and they the fans. No matter their stats, they are always true to the Sox organization and keep issues "in the house". Manny shows the team and fans disrespect with his arrogant, self righteous outbursts. Good ridance!!!!

I was at the game lastnight and though I agree Manny is being a complete greedy and selfish bastard. Booing him is just dumb. He's done alot more good in Boston then Bad. Should they trade him? Yeah probably, but unfortunatley, Redsox Nation has always forgiven Manny for all the BS he's done because of his numbers so why boo him now? Anyway, doesn't look lke it's going to happen anyway. Bay is gone to Tampa..

Huge Sox Fan here! I am a LONG time Manny fan, even back when he was in Cleveland, but this is getting too old! I don't think Jason Bay will ever live up to Manny's HOF numbers, but he'll play better Defense in LF and will still put up decent numbers... Oh, plus his teammates won't hate him.

Didn't the same exact thing happen back in 2005?

As much of a prima donna as he can be, I wouldn't want Manny anywhere else.

This is all so stupid - all the Sox have to do is contact his greedy arse of an agent and tell him if he does not tell his client to back off, that they will be sure to pick up his option in 09 and 10. No money for Boras. Boo hoo. I'd freaking pick up his options and bench him for 2 years if I had as much money as the Sox.

Manny's age has finally caught up with his IQ. You lack class manny.

let manny go, he's a yankee next year anyway. that'll be manny's big f-you to the front office.

Keep Manny and Bench him. If he's not happy he is not going to hustle anyway.
Why should we pay 7 million to make him happy.

Two other quick points that I don't think have been mentioned here:
One is that Manny has kept the Bosox in the top headlines, even bumping Favre the Pudge deal to the Yanks was barely a blip on the screen. Manny and the Red Sox are winning the media war, even more-so than Jr.'s trade to the Chisox or A-Rod's Material Girl. So the front office, while grinding their teeth, have kept fan interest by taking us to the highest highs with the two World Series wins, and now the lowest with all this angst and consternation. It's a drama and the most interesting thing in sports. And it sells. Secondly, John Henry and Manny need to sit down like men and have it out, shake hands and win in September and turn this thing around, one more time - for our great delight. And they will because they are both great men.

Bray is a Ray. Looks like we will have some drama over the rest of the Summer.

Thanks Tessie. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Manny is WAY too expensive. If they can get 2 good players like Bay & Grabow for the same money that MaRy Ramirez wants, that would be great. Manny's numbers can only go down as he ages and JD Drew has the same or better stats now than Manny and I'm sure he could pick up the slack.

I feel like I am living in Bizarro World. The Red Sox haven't been playing very well since the All-Star break. Except for Jon Lester, our starting pitching has been meh, and except for Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, and Manny Ramirez our lineup can't hit its was out of a paper bag. Except for Pap, our relievers have been worse than meh.

So the solution is to trade Manny, hitting over .300 and for power? I don't get it.

I know the all-white-male media hates Manny, but why does everyone else here? So he's a character. He's a won-two-World-Series-in-the-past-four-years character. The Bruins could use some Manny's, come to think of it.

So yet again Red Sox Management stumbles at the trading deadline and does nothing significant to improve the team while our competition gets better. No way will they repeat this year and they'll get next to nothing for Manny due to his consistently bad attitude and their failure to pull the trigger. He should have been ushered out of town a lot sooner. I've never been a fan of him or his spoiled 3-year old antics.

It looks more and more every year that Theo is not the wonder boy we made him out to be. If Tamps gets Bay they are much improved. Yankees kicked ass this year at the trade deadline.

Red Sox are worse than they were yesterday. Manny can not be trusted, it is beyod repair and the chances of the playoffs are slipping.

Thanks for the 7 1/2 years Manny. Spoiled little brat.

You are all going along nicely with exactly what the Red Sox front office wants you to think. Dutch is right. Boston would be still looking for their first world series title in almost a decade. Get a grip Sox fans and think about what is really going on here.

What difference does it make whether they lose Manny in August or October when they refuse to pick up his option, Loved his comment about being treated the same way Pedro and Nomar. Bothwanted too much money for their talent and the facts proved the Sox right. I'm having trouble coming up with a list of teams that would be willing to even pay his option price. If there were, they would have been beating down the Red Sox doors which didn't happen.

What difference does it make whether they lose Manny in August or October when they refuse to pick up his option, Loved his comment about being treated the same way Pedro and Nomar. Bothwanted too much money for their talent and the facts proved the Sox right. I'm having trouble coming up with a list of teams that would be willing to even pay his option price. If there were, they would have been beating down the Red Sox doors which didn't happen.

manny was happy here... the sox should have locked him up for one or two years... but they didn't, that means they didn't want him for 2009... he deserves that much respect, he has delivered for eight years! what is varatek batting? .215 bat varatek cleanup! the sox dropped the ball!

jc

The question is not whether Manny is a better player. He is a spoiled brat who has been and is a cancer to the team. Dump him and his immature attitude.

a step here, a step there, does it really make that much difference how fast manny runs to first base? please!!!!! he bats cleanup for a reason!!!!
somebody dropped the ball upstairs...
jc

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

THANK GOD!!!!!!! For Yankee fans, this is christmas in July! YAHOO!! SEE YA MANNY!!!! Bay is a good player, But he won't put the fear in american league pitchers as Manny does!!!!!!!!!

dutch schultz - WHo sadi anythign about booing Manny. Scott Boras drove this deal. Manny did not come up with the Nomar and Pedro comments on his own. Boras screwed A-Rod in the off season and he has just sent Manny to LA.

I CANT BELIVE WE LET THIS GUY LEAVE LOOK AT HIS MONSTROUS NUMBERS HE PUT UP DURING HIS STAY IN BOSTON. FUTURE HALL OF FAME. JOE TORIE MUST BE ESTATIC RIGHT NOW.

Terrible trade. The Dodgers gave up a 200 hitter for Manny!? Plus Theo sold off Hansen AND Moss? Remember his 3 person trade for Gagne!? Beltre, Gabbard, and Murphy. Another terrible trade. Theo makes poor decisions. He never gets full vale in his trades. On a trade value basis this was not good.

On another level the trade makes the team worse. I don't understand how Manny has been a distraction. We've won 2 rings with him he so he can't be that distracting. Remeber who was the 2004 World Series MVP? Manny! who hit the walk offs against K rod? Manny!

Stupid trade. Many stupid trades by Theo. Byung Hung Kim not once but twice and $10 million to sign him. Dodgers are big winners. Good trade and the team gets better. Pirates I dunno. 4 players for Bay. Sox gave up too much.

FROM PITTSBURGH:
Hello Boston::
First let me admit that :
1) I am a Pirate fan first :
2) I am a Red Sox fan second: We love Coach Francona here in his home town and always keep an eye on our Tim Wakefield.
3) Jason Bay is not only an All Star caliber player, BUT: A quality CITIZEN:
4) Jason Bay is the type of professional athlete that is an excellent role model.

Although I am sorry to see Jason go, Knowing he will be a Red Sox has lessen the heartache. This guy WILL show up everyday, he WILL run out every grounder and line drive, he WILL be a respectful player and contribute in a major way to your organization. I expect he will help in your effort to repeat!

Good luck: and thanks for the help we recieved in return::

YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ding Dong, the ding dong is gone!!!!!

I wish the Sox would have held on for more in this trade, say Jason Bay and a dozen baseballs for Mr. Malcontent.

Manny being OUT of HERE!!! Cya wouldnt wanna bya. His shait was getting old, as is he. Good riddance and dont let the door hit you on the way out! Prima Donna spoiled ungreatful selfish one way and UGLY. You look at him close up and tell me otherwise. OK I vented!!! Now lets welcome Jason Bay!!!!

Good riddance to bad meat

This deal sounds solid all the way round for the Sox. I've been a Sox fan for 40 years and have delighted at Manny's hitting, contributions to the team, as he and Ortiz have made a great 1-2 punch in the line up for a number of years. But I'm finally tired of Manny's act, as it hasto be with his teamates. He has probably become more of a dide show and distraction on a team that doesn't need any.

Manny at 36 could be declining, time will only tell, but I do wish him sell. In Jason Bay we get a solid consistent outfielder, with a very respectable bat etc. Take a look at his pretty decent OBP and slugging average. He also takes pitches to walk, but he does strike out a bit. If he can adjust to the American League, he'll be a solid addition.

As an avid Yankee fan I can empathize with The Nation and how to come to grips with the departure of Manny. I personally am thankful that he will not be making any more appearances this year in a Red Sox uniform, and seriously doubt that the Dodgers will be involved in any post season activity. Having said that, the Sox will not be the same team without him nor get the kind of production from their line up going forward. Big Pappy will see fewer hittable pitches since a walk to someone with his glacial speed on the pads is not a bad thing - and no Manny to follow behind him in the line up. Dwell on this - if Jason Bay were such a talented outfielder why did the Yankees take a pass on him and instead target and acquire Xavier Nady? Let's see - the Yanks get Nady, Marte, and Pudge while the Sox trade away Manny for Bay. I suspect that this trade will have a huge impact on the American League East race, but not the one that Sox fans had hoped for. In fact, September will be arriving early this year in New England.

Best they could do I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about Jason Bay. I just don't understand giving up Moss and Hansen, and getting nothing else back.
It sends chills up my spine to think of a 2009 Yankee lineup including A-Rod, Jeter, Manny, and Texeira. That would be just ugly. At the very least Theo shouldn't be paying the rest of Manny's contract. Bay isn't a FA until the end of 2009. But still. I wouldn't have traded Manny, Moss & Hansen straight up for Bay. They should've gotten Grabow too. But whatever. Thanks for memories Manny. But your time was up here. The circus had to end. The money went straight to his head.

a dark day for the Nation. Look at the numbers: you wouldn't use Jason Bay for toilet paper. We made this deal because someone in the front office had their feelings hurt by Manny. He goes to a great situation and Red Sox fans get to live through the humiliation of being annihilated by the Yankees and Devil Rays. The Sox waive the white flag on the 2008 season, and maybe 2009 as well.

sox management dropped the ball!!!!

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

As usual, in their desparation to get rid of Manny, the Sox got little in return. Bay is an OK player, but having to throw in Moss and Hansen to "make it work' seems ridiculous! I realize that Moss and Hansen are not top prospects but ... Hopefully, the Sox will get out of the tank and play better. Two more weeks of this bad baseball and we will be all moving to the Pats for their season.

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

You idiots!!!

I wanted Manny gone to, but the Sox got leveraged like a ultrashort EFTP hedge fund!

Horrible return for what they gave up

Manny (while still paying for him)
Hansen
Moss

FOR

Jason Bay (another JD Drew who they will pay for to keep past next year)

worked.....

Hey dutch shultz the last time we took for granted a world series star and kicked him to the curb we won another World Series. Manny had checked out like Nomar and now he is a Dodger as well. I do not begrudge Manny at all but we were not going to put up with this anymore.

FROM PITTSBURGH:
Hello Boston::
First let me admit that :
1) I am a Pirate fan first :
2) I am a Red Sox fan second: We love Coach Francona here in his home town and always keep an eye on our Tim Wakefield.
3) Jason Bay is not only an All Star caliber player, BUT: A quality CITIZEN:
4) Jason Bay is the type of professional athlete that is an excellent role model.

Although I am sorry to see Jason go, Knowing he will be a Red Sox has lessen the heartache. This guy WILL show up everyday, he WILL run out every grounder and line drive, he WILL be a respectful player and contribute in a major way to your organization. I expect he will help in your effort to repeat!

Good luck: and thanks for the help we recieved in return::

Terrible trade. The Dodgers gave up a 200 hitter for Manny!? Plus Theo sold off Hansen AND Moss? Remember his 3 person trade for Gagne!? Beltre, Gabbard, and Murphy. Another terrible trade. Theo makes poor decisions. He never gets full vale in his trades. On a trade value basis this was not good.

On another level the trade makes the team worse. I don't understand how Manny has been a distraction. We've won 2 rings with him he so he can't be that distracting. Remeber who was the 2004 World Series MVP? Manny! who hit the walk offs against K rod? Manny!

Stupid trade. Many stupid trades by Theo. Byung Hung Kim not once but twice and $10 million to sign him. Dodgers are big winners. Good trade and the team gets better. Pirates I dunno. 4 players for Bay. Sox gave up too much.

From an Angel fan perspective I am happy to see Manny shipped off to the NL, he killed us. Time to end the curse of Donnie Moore.

As an avid Yankee fan I can empathize with The Nation and how to come to grips with the departure of Manny. I personally am thankful that he will not be making any more appearances this year in a Red Sox uniform, and seriously doubt that the Dodgers will be involved in any post season activity. Having said that, the Sox will not be the same team without him nor get the kind of production from their line up going forward. Big Pappy will see fewer hittable pitches since a walk to someone with his glacial speed on the pads is not a bad thing - and no Manny to follow behind him in the line up. Dwell on this - if Jason Bay were such a talented outfielder why did the Yankees take a pass on him and instead target and acquire Xavier Nady? Let's see - the Yanks get Nady, Marte, and Pudge while the Sox trade away Manny for Bay. I suspect that this trade will have a huge impact on the American League East race, but not one that Sox fans had hoped for. In fact, September will be arriving early this year in New England.

Looseing Moss and Hansen along with manny just made this trade unbareable.. 2 young people along with manny does not make this a good deal

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