Nomar: 'Truth to what Manny said'

Sour grapes, Nomar! You screwed up and you know it...

And man how you, Mo and Pedro showed those morons at the front office, huh? We miss you so much.

I had to stay off the net yesterday because I was so upset over the trade. I can not believe that the Red Sox traded their # 4 hitter (which means it's their MOST POPULAR PLAYER) for someone that the fans never heard of. When I told my kids, I was heart broken and so were they. The red sox should show a sign of respect for Manny and leave the # 4 spot in the line-up empty for at least the rest of the season to show a sign of respect for him. I am think we're going to end up taking part in the Fenway Park Boycott in August too. For the people that don't know about the boycott yet, they are going to get a big trash barrel outside Fenway where everyone can throw their tickets in it and show management that we're not going to put up with their trades when they are taking the FUN out of the game! Management does not understand that the fans don't care about if Manny hits or not, but we like to see him have fun! What other player will sign an autograph during the middle of a play or give you a high five? He even pretends not to know where the ball is when he is sitting on it and he can still hold the runners to a double or a triple. You're not going to find better defense like that at Fenway and he was so silly when he went in to the green monster to use the bathroom or call his friends. Sure, we still have papelbon and I love it when he dances, but it's not going to be the same without Manny being Manny and playing with the kids and making everyone in the stands laugh at the fun time he is having! I am going to send back my red sox nation membership and probably go off and join dodgers nation because the red sox obviously don't care about their fans.

Funny... you don't hear these things from NON-disgruntled players... only those in contract situations where the player is in search of millions more. The players mentioned above all were on the down side of their careers and in search of their next big payday. Hmmm.

Manny and NOMAH deserve each other. 2 spoiled obnoxious ballplayers.

Seriously. Spiteful, overpaid prima-donnas. All of them. You lose your right to cry about any business decision when you get paid an exorbitant sum of money to play a game. Other, mature players can handle it. Why not these 'stars'?

It's because players like Nomah, Manny, Vaugn, Clemens (the poster boy) lose control over their own egos. As soon as anyone believes they are bigger or more important than the game, it is time to go.

I'm sure the Red Sox FO aren't angels, but come on, they pay these HUGE salaries. Dang straight they have the control and they make the decisions. How does a grown man whine and cry about this?

Manny didn't want to leave?

REALLY?

Then why did he talk smack about the front office? Why did he play like he didn't care? Why did he punk out with the "my-knee-hurts" excuse?

Manny wanted out of there, he just didn't want to look greedy....

At least we'll still be singing songs about Nomah at the Cask & Flaggon, think we'll ever make one up about Manny?

NOT!

Good point by Nomar except for the fact that Nomar was a product of steroids and was one of the oddest people in baseball. He also failed to mention that he turned down a 4 year/$60M offer from the Sox (huge mistake) and then was injury plagued after leaving the Sox.

Not exactly the example we should be looking at.

Give me a Break? You didn't want to leave Nomar? The Sox offered you 60 million reasons not to leave and you said NO, not the Red Sox. Then you signed for 8 million, guess you have 52 million reasons to be Upset.

The Sox also offered Millions to both Mo and Roger both said NOT ENOUGH, More money needed.

Hey Nomar mind you own business. Hope you enjoy playing in front of a half empty stadium each night instead of a packed house either in Fenway or on the road.

Love , Red Sox Nation,

yeah right nomar. you were also a cancer in the clubhouse back in '04...why? money of course....

you and manny can cry to each other an relive the good old days (when you could actually PLAY the game)

This Sox management has a perfect record for getting rid of big price tag talent at the right time. Pedro - Nomar - D-Lowe - Damon . . . . What have any of them done since they left Boston??? Not much. When it's time to move on, you just have to cut the strings. Bye Manny! Good luck with the rest of your career. If you are like the others, you are on the way down.

Sounds like sour grapes from another malcontent .

This is total BS. I thought this was PROFESSIONAL baseball. Must be really hard to make a zillion dollars as a pro baseball player, drive a Bentley or whatever, own two or three homes and then get made to look like the "bad guy" by the Red Sox when you're traded (which is total crap!). Grow some and grow up you baby. Maybe Nomar and Manny should work a real job for a couple years and worry about getting fired from their $50,000 a year job to see what a job in the real world is like. No-more!

Nomar, you quit too. Remember that?????

Boston is the most hypocritical sports town in America - they put up with Manny's antics because he brought them the Holy Grail twice - and because he was a Yankee killer.

They did the same to Nomar and Pedro. Fair weather fans and a PR machine in the front office that micromanages the whole illusion known as Red Sox nation.

what a shocker.

yeah, ramon, manny said he didn't want to leave, but then he said he did, & then he said he didn't, then he said he did, then he...well, you get the picture.

sooo, the red sox front office is now on par with the bush administration in terms of being a propaganda machine, huh?
are they also the ones keeping aliens a secret, and suppressing the cars that runs off of peanut oil?

He didn't want to leave? Really? Coulda fooled me. Nomar, either everyone else is lying, or your buddy Manny is lying.

Hey Nomah, put down the roids and hgh and realize its a completely different management then those who let FoxyLady and PinCushion go.

Nice to see that Nomar has matured and moved on from his Red Sox days. Seriously, move on. The Red Sox have done well in your absence, you wanted more money, they didn't want to give you an insane contract. (Which turned out to be the right decision by the way)

Garciaparra seems to believe they were all great Caliber players. Look what happened when they left the Red Sox. They wanted more in their contract then they were worth. They were aging and injury prone players. (this of course does not apply to Manny). Manny has been up to the same antics every July since he joined the Red Sox. But for Garciaparra to believe he has even half the caliber of Manny is laughable. Garciaparra has been injured more than not with the Dodgers and is not even playing shortstop anymore (the position he was signed for and the position the Red Sox needed). Garciaparra thinks too much of himself.

Manny was definitely an important piece of the Red Sox World series (Garciaparra, Vaughn, Clemens (pre-steriods) would not have been. Garciaparra NEVER lived up to his anticipated talent, therefore did not deserve the contract he wanted. What Garciaparra doesn't realize is that it was a joint player decision as well as managment. Read every othe word Garciaparra and maybe it will read like you want it to.

Thank you Manny for being an important piece of the two world series. But when you become a cancer in the clubhouse.......can't even visit wounded veterens, can't run out a sure single.... etc. etc. etc. You may be a great hitter but I would choose a team player any day over one where you don't know who shows up everyday.

Talks broke down for a contract extension so the natural thing to do was to sit on the bench and pout until you got traded.

Please no one but Manny painted Manny as a bad guy. He is too aloof in life to be considered a bad guy. Manny is just what Manny is a kid playing a Kids game and getting paid to rake. He and Scott Boras ran him out of town not the Sox regime and certainly not the Fans. We want to win with whoever. Im only sorry that we didnt get some pitching in the deal. I was a Nomar fan forever who wasnt i still to this day dont think HE was painted as a bad guy EVER. The guy played HURT Manny faked being INJURED there is a difference. Nomar Hustled, I never seen Manny Jog to a base he didnt love but Manny's numbers may be missed we will only see in Oct how much. I know for a fact what numbers wont be missed the 20 mil Theo can use next year along with Shills money remember even we can take off and rebuild. BYE MANNY Sup Jason Bay sorry you couldnt bring Grabow with you!

Nomar, get your head out of your butt, it's a business first and foremost. You passed up a 4 year deal for 60 million with the Red Sox and ended up an often-injured, disgruntled has-been. If you were running a team you would most likely act the same way and make the same decisions on people like yourself. But, you can't see this because you are too self-centered to realise what it's like for the guy on the other side. Maybe that's why you continue to make one poor decision after another in your sorry sports life.

Nomar should just keep his mouth shut, too. He's as bad as Manny. They're both no longer in Boston because they wanted the almighty dollar. Nomar was offered a 4 year $60M deal and wouldn't take it. So what did he end up with? A bunch of 1 year contracts that came nowhere near $60M. I hope the same happens with Manny. He didn't want those $20M options exercised so he acted like an idiot to force the Sox to trade him so he could become a free agent next year and hope he can get a 4 year deal. He could have taken the high road and told the Sox he will bust his butt this year but promise me you will not exercise the option in 2009 so I can become a free agent. Although it's still a selfish move, at least he would have shown some respect for his teammates this year.

Nomar,
Mo and Clemens were pre John Henry. The Sox made wise $ decisions on you Pedro, Mueller etc.
It's called revisionist history , my friend.

Nomar, we hardly knew ye. If you just performed on the field and kept peace in the clubhouse, then all would be right. You wouldn't have to be shipped out. It's about value, and pre-Theo, the Red Sox always overpaid their aging stars. Now, the Red Sox are smart and don't overpay for stars that are on the decline. The Red Sox proved to be right on Pedro and Nomar and Mo (although he got injured). They were way wrong on Roger (but that was Dan Duquette). We'll see about Manny.

Nomar, get your head out of your butt, it's a business first and foremost. You passed up a 4 year deal for 60 million with the Red Sox and ended up an often-injured, disgruntled has-been. If you were running a team you would most likely act the same way and make the same decisions on people like yourself. But, you can't see this because you are too self-centered to realise what it's like for the guy on the other side. Maybe that's why you continue to make one poor decision after another in your sorry sports life.

Not too tough when a certain player roughs up a 67-year old club employee in a tantrum.

And to bring up Clemens is even more laughable. The Texas Con Man proved that he was and is a rotten guy and that nearly everyone looked the other way or enabled him.

I hear you Nomar, 4yrs for $60million was such an insult, and Manny's being mistreated just like you were. Manny should be able to take a couple days off against the two best teams in baseball if he feels like it.

A couple of yrs ago, Manny was just himself doing goofy things, now he was trying to be "Manny", which is totally different. He was a distraction in the clubhouse, I mean really, attacking a 64yr old because he can't get some tickets for him? He's got some deeper issues than not getting "paid".

Nomar, Jeter is and always was better! Fact. Live with it and all your injuries.

Being forced by Manny to trade Manny is a sad thing.
For a few weeks now Manny has made it very plain he
wished to leave. Not just his comments, but his unprofessional
attitude and antics. He seemed unwillinging to be a team
player and was beginning to really hurt the games and HIS
team. Very sad.

Nomar, stop being such a crybaby, "...there's a track record...", yes a track record of winning 2 World Series since you left!!

How many games has Nomar played since he left? That was a great deal for the Sox getting rid of him.

The Manny issue was from the beginning, totally mishandled by FO and especially by Tito. As any kid, Manny needed a strong hand and firm command to perform his duties and contractual obligations... Crisis of recent days should not have happened... Maybe things will workout for the future, but as of now NO MANNY NO PENNANT (2008)

screw nomar. he hasnt done a thing since we traded him.

And the Red Sox were right in getting rid of Nomar, Mo, Damon, and Pedro....All 4 fell off considerably when they left the red sox. Business decisions that worked out in thier favor. Clemens went on to dominate but we all know why now! Cheating Hick!

The only "track record" Nomah is that you, Manny, Mo and Roger only cared about money. How's that career going, and how's your bank account, since you left Boston?

Yeah --- what you and Manny have in common is you both wanted new contracts during the middle of the season, you both sulked, and you both decided to quite on your team mates. What you don't have in common with Manny is your lack of hitting in the clutch. After you left the team they went on the win the world series. How does it feel knowing that you were a cancer and a person that bought into all of the Yankee hype. Sit on the bus some more and cry that we will never beat the Yankees. Your Pathetic!!!! Go take another steriod.

you all have one thing in common!! Your all JERKS!!!!!

Nomar should just keep his mouth shut. He wouldn't take the 4 year $60M deal offered to him in 2004 and how did that work out? He hasn't seen anything near $60M in the last 4 years. He could have stayed here but he wanted Jeter money.

Manny Ramirez was right. Boston does not deserve a player like him. They deserve a player who will bust his butt every day, hustle on the base paths, bat against pitchers he's afraid of and generally be a good teammate. He did everything he could think of this year to force Boston to trade him so that they wouldn't exercise the $20M team option next year. He thinks he can get a four year deal worth more money as a free agent, instead. He was willing to sabotage the entire team for his own benefit.

I hope the same thing happens with Ramirez that happened with Nomar. If there's any justice in the baseball world, he'll really injure one of his knees and no one will want to sign him for more than a 1 year deal for less than $20M next year.

Of COURSE Manny said he wanted to leave. And he acted like he wanted to leave, too. All he wanted to do was break his contract, in hopes of more money. This is all about greed.

After Ted Williams had a bad year (toward the end of his career, and after he had suffered an elbow injury), he went to Yawkey and asked for a pay cut. Yawkey refused, and gave him the same contract he'd had the year before. (It was waiting in his desk.)

Now we have a ballplayer behaving badly to get more money, and another ballplayer (Nomar) backing him up in hopes of propping up his public image.

I sure miss Ted Williams.

Poor Nomie, in mid-sentence he pulled his groin and was placed on the 15 day DL.

Former Red Sox Nation Member, you seem to be living in the same lala land than Manny is in. You mention you have kids, so you are a grown adult, but you seem to have zero understanding of how bad things really were with manny. This is the real world, buddy, not some fantasy where we can all move on and be happy and keep watching manny. Manny was quitting on the team for this season. 23 out of his 24 teammates voted that he HAD to go or else they feared their chances to compete were gone. You want to watch Manny have fun? Move to LA, then wherever he signs next season. He would have been miserable here for the rest of this year. If you claimed to ever be a member of Red Sox nation, then you should be rooting for the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and frankly, we don't need fans who put a immature, team-killing player ahead of the team.

Brainless Manny and always injured Nomah, two greedy quitters. Say no more. If this year turns out the same way 2004 did when we got rid of baby Nomah, then I'll take it!!

Give me a break Nomar, torn biceps, hmm wonder what caused that... HMMM..

Money Money Money, needless to say as a family man and with a 9 yr old that loves the game, and the Red Sox in particular. I can't even afford to get the field but 1 or 2 times every 10 years.

Geez, you didn't see Cal Ripken whining, he played hurt and more hurt every dam day.

Go sell cars when your done. Maybe even yours. then you'll know how it feels to be cost sensitive fan.

I can't get over this garbage. Nomar cites Vaughn and Clemens, too?? Clemens, the guy who started bulking up with steroids when even he could see his career would otherwise have been over? Vaughn, who reached the end of his productive career, yielding no return for the club that picked him up?

Yeah, imagine. Letting a ballplayer go once his numbers fall off. Just because he can no longer compete, that's no reason to let him go. Why - that's DISCRIMINATION! It's age-ism. Someone call Oprah.

You know, Nomar, here's a little secret: When you can't hit or pitch anymore, ballclubs stop paying you the big bucks and look elsewhere for new talent. It's always been that way. Sorry if you feel you should be the exception. But you're not.

Nomar and Manny can sit around and compate notes on how they both bailed on the Sox during a Yankee game. Maybe when Manny signs whatever $100 million contract he gets at the end of the season he can throw $60 million Nomar's way.

Baseball is a business and if you go into work and do not do anything your job will be gone.

The Red Sox were so much better after Nomar left but I can't say the same will be true now that Manny's gone. We gave up a little too much this time around and didn't get enough in return.

Nomar failed to play hard and hustle before he got traded. He quit on the team and deserved to get sent out of town....

Getting rid of Nomar, Pedro and Damon were 3 of the best moves the Sox ever made. What have these guys done since they left? Any All Star game appearances? Manny should be gone just like the rest of them.

Can Garciaparra be a bigger jerk? Really. Can that happen?

• He says that "Manny said he wanted to stay there." Really? Because almost every year right before Spring, he'd start with trade demands. And I thought I heard him say "They can trade me, but they won't, because they know what they got here."
• "Maybe we can have a laugh together.." Really? That will probably be the first time Nomar has laughed on a baseball field in his life.

What's Nomar pissed about? They offered him like a 5 year $50 million deal. And he wouldn't take it. Then, when he went out in the market, he found out he wasn't worth that because he didn't get anything close.

I have no idea why the fans like guys like Nomar and Manny. Really. Nomar was just a sullen, surly, guy, who played the game with zero joy or happiness. But I guess he had good hair, so hey, let's cheer him all the time. And then when he drops bomb on your team on the way out, with zero justification, let's cheer him anyway.

And Manny, well, all he's done is quit numerous times (was it '03 or '05 when he didn't pinch hit in the Phillies game, then he didn't want to run out a grounder in Tampa same year), numerous trade demands, and now, it seems pretty obvious that he took three right down the pike vs. Rivera, he asked out of a game and there was nothing wrong with him, and it was only the Yankees, so I guess it wasn't that important.

Why? Why do people cheer this guy? $20 million for a guy who acts like he's doing everyone a favor.

But let's give him a standing O...

What does it matter? Its obvious that the Yankees are getting the divison and the Rays are getting the wildcard, and the Sox are staying home. Go cry in your beers and good luck next year.

Oh, and for those who keep saying, "No Manny, no pennant," you are wrong.

It's going to be "no pennant" because:

• Beckett keeps getting knocked around
• The bullpen (minus Pap) can't get anyone out
• Pap hasn't been as automatic as he was last year
• The offense, including Manny, has gone through lapses where they can't score

The biggest of these problems has been the short relief to Pap. That's obvious. They can't keep a 3-2 deficit at 3-2, and they can't hold a 3-2 lead in the 7th.

Do you all watch the games? This is the same team that stayed at or in first for the entire Ortiz absence. And they didn't have an obvious replacement for him.

Bay has similar numbers, with the same protection that Manny had (Ortiz in front and Drew in back) he'll hit. And even if he doesn't, they should still have enough O.

No Manny isn't going to prevent them from winning. The bullpen and Beckett and a crappy 5 starter will.

Glenn (post #15), jealousy will get you nowhere. You say "Boston is the most hypocritical sports town in America". That just smells of sour grapes. Where are you from exactly that qualifies you to make such a judgement? NY? Philly?

Fair-weather fans? Baloney. The fans here stick with their teams through the thin times like no other area in which I've lived. Have you ever heard the Beantown fans boo one of their teams during the PLAYOFFS? I've heard it in both NY and Philly.

Probably I was hearing you loudest of all.

Yes, this is so funny.....If I recall correctly Nomar had Boras as an agent to. Sox offered him a 4 yr 60 million dollar deal and he turned it down. Then the Sox refused to negotiate during the 04 season. Nomar became a big whiner and felt jilted. Let's not forget the comment he made on the bus on the way to the airport when they forced game 5 in Oakland "don't know why you're all so happy, they (press) are just gonna rip us when we lose".....that's a good teammate. Just another coddled athlete that punched his own ticket out the door. Funniest thing is that he thought he'd get Jeter type 19 million/yr money....got news for you, Jeter only gets that because he's in NYC....he's not worth that money either....but a much more clutch player for sure....Go Sox.....find a way to band together!

"Now, the Red Sox are smart and don't overpay for stars that are on the decline. The Red Sox proved to be right on Pedro and Nomar and Mo (although he got injured). They were way wrong on Roger (but that was Dan Duquette). We'll see about Manny."

Actually, that's not true. Dan Duquette was correct about Roger, but didn't factor in the juice he'd be squirting into his bum.

FORMER Red Sox Nation Member is crazy or is 8 years old. Don't care about getting hits? having fun is more important? High fives? are you a baseball fan? he was begging to leave because he wanted a new contract, and no smart business owner would give him that at his age and track record. It makes no sense to keep him with his attitude. and his teammates were done with him, what's more to say?

"FORMER Red Sox Nation Member"....you are an idiot and obviously have no clue about baseball. This game isn't about fun, it's about winning and winning the right way, respecting the game of baseball. Manny was a cancer to the team. He did not run hard, he had natural talent that carried him in the batters box but never gave it his all or respected the team or the game.

Mike Lowell, took a Home Town discount.....hmmm, guess there are are "TEAM" players left in the world of baseball. Guys like Mike know what 'life' is all about. It is about their team, their family.

Mike Lowell, took a Home Town discount.....hmmm, guess there are are "TEAM" players left in the world of baseball. Guys like Mike know what 'life' is all about. It is about their team, their family.

Hey Manny lovers, It take nine men to win a game, Manny CAN NOT do it by himself, ESPECIALLY the way he has been playing, and the way he would have played if he wouldn't have been traded, Manny is on the downside of his career
He's gone, which he needed to be gone after the way he showed himself this year
Yep, Manny is gone so GET OVER IT !!!!! Now lets get behind Jason Bay

"The Manny issue was from the beginning, totally mishandled by FO and especially by Tito. As any kid, Manny needed a strong hand and firm command to perform his duties and contractual obligations... Crisis of recent days should not have happened... Maybe things will workout for the future, but as of now NO MANNY NO PENNANT (2008)
Posted by slimdrum.45"

Can you say that a bit louder please because the fair weather fans can't seem to grasp how important was Manny to our hitting lineup. But is ok Jason bay is going to hit 30 plus homers every years....YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

"Boston is the most hypocritical sports town in America - they put up with Manny's antics because he brought them the Holy Grail twice - and because he was a Yankee killer.
They did the same to Nomar and Pedro. Fair weather fans and a PR machine in the front office that micromanages the whole illusion known as Red Sox nation.
Posted by Glenn"

Glenn not the town but also the newspapers that started this whole BS. Go to Sawxheads(where real fans go to talk baseball) the Forums in here are horrible now full of fair weather,front office lovers that can't see the huge mistake they made by letting Manny walk when we are in a 3 way fight for the top of the AL east and now the wildcard standings Thank you FO and fairweather fans for your input...GOD CAN WE HAVE SOME PATRIOTS FOOTBALL ALREADY AND HOPELLY SEE THE REVS WIN THE SUPERLIGA AND THE MLS CUP?

When Jeter went into the stands in extra innings to make a great catch and get all bruised and bloodied...flash to Nomar on the bench ( sitting out against the Yanks...sound familiar?). That's all that needs to be said.

Just before Manny leaves he is complaining and team goes on 4-8 slide, only taking one game in 9 from a team over .500 . . . hello do you think this team was going to take the pennant and/or have any playoff success with that type of production.

Similar situation: Nomar leaves in similar situation and the team turns around with O Cabrera playing SS, an inferior SS at the time, but a great attitude and presence for the team, and the tema goes on to win the series . . . . no one thought they were a WS contender on 8/1/04.

It is not likely to play out the same way but I think they will be a better TEAM again.

The Red Sox made concessions for both Nomar and Manny in the last years they were with the club and still their attitudes and behavior were driving the ballclub apart. Too bad neither of theses guys realize that they were/are no longer the best thing for the TEAM. I don't either are really aware of how their actions impacted the rest of the players and organization.

Nomar....still feelin' guilty??? You show your true colors when you group yourself with three other malcontents.....all with lot of talent which NEVER got in the way of their HUGE EGOS!!!! Ask yourself....where will you and the other three go down in baseball history? Players who "ALWAYS thought of themselves ahead of their teammates", that's where!

Nomar has no mind....you gave up playing for the Sox just as the selfish, narrow-minded boy Manny did. Do you actually believe what you say? Have another dose of steroids and call someone who cares.

Way down here in Texas we still love the Red Sox even without Manny. Nomar has selective memory: after they traded him they won the World Series. Pedro has not been heathy enough to justify the 57 million the Mets gave him. Most of the time "Manny being Manny" was Manny being like a playful puppy dog. But when he throws old men to the ground, thumbs hid nose up at management and teammates, he's gotta go. Sox overpaid for Bay but he is only 29 and is not making 20 million dollars. They won't win the word series; I don't think they would have won with Manny. But they will have money to spend in the off season.

I know we always hear that this sport "Is a business." (Kills me when I hear college athletes say this), but for this fan a healthy respect for the game is still key and Manny didn't show that. He showed respect for HIS game, preparing, working out, etc. But actually PLAYING the game is where he finally lost me. Other than hitting, his laziness and ineptitude (the recent beached whale episode in Anaheim and "log on the shoulder" against Rivera) on the field ALWAYS pissed me off. If having to put up with his crap means winning another world series, screw it. Honestly, screw it. I want this game and respect for this game to be around after Manny and the rest of us are long gone. It's a beautiful game. Now Manny's on L.A. with the beautiful people instead.

Respectfully slimdrum.45, I wish I had 160 million to pay my kid. Manny's no kid...he's a talented punk who used a preadolescent strategy to get the right people pissed off enough to let him go. The whole thing was way too orchestrated on his part. Yeah, rock on Boras!

Oh and those fans planning on throwing their tickets in a garbage bag outside of Fenway. Let me know what night that is. I'll take my 6 year old son to a game and we'll see everyone run it out to first base.

Paz

Nomar,

You were a cancer and you got cut out for the better of the TEAM.

Great trade by the Sox, Manny, Nomah (who used to be one of my faves) Pedro, and Damon can all kiss my ass. Dont let that door hit you on the way out. Id take a non playoff year, just to have Manny out of the clubhouse. You never know from day to day which Manny shows up, the good one or the bad one. Let Torre have him and his problems. Bay will do just fine as long as he doesnt press things.

I cant believe the scrutiny the RSN has out on Theo and company, This is a great day in Boston, Welcome to TitleTown Jason Bay, Manny, Nomah, go F yourselfs

Dear Manny,

You were one of my all-time favorite players, and I loved having you on the Red Sox. But... it was time for you to go.

All these years, I have stood up for you. All these years, I've made excuses for your behavior. I was OK with "Manny being Manny," because in the end, your antics were always harmless.

But not this year. This year there was an ugly, nasty thuggish tone to "Manny being Manny." I have no doubt this was at the suggestion of your agent, Scott Boras. The plan, I'm sure, was for you to make yourself so obnoxious that the Sox would have no choice but to move you. And it worked.

I'm going to miss you, Manny. And we're sure as hell going to miss your offense. Making the playoffs this year is suddenly in doubt. Yes, you will be missed.

But you know what? F- you.

F-- you for pushing a 64-year-old man to the ground just because he couldn't get you extra tickets. F- you for slapping Youk, who works harder in one inning than you do all season long. F- you for not swinging once during a crucial pinch-hit appearance against the Yankees, because you were pouting at being pressed into service on your day off. F- you for your casual jogs to first base and your disinterest in catching fly balls. F- you for bad-mouthing the front office when all they have ever done is to try to accommodate you, even when you broke team rules.

I'm sure you'll do just fine in L.A. and wherever you end up next year. And I'm sure Boras will negotiate a nice, big fat contract for you.

Too bad all that money can't buy you class.

Thanks for helping the Sox win 2 World Series, they could not have done it without you. You're a first ballot Hall of Famer, there's no doubt. You will always be remembered as one of the greatest hitters ever to play the game.

But you will also be remembered as a childish, selfish player who often dogged it on the field. You will be remembered as someone who always put himself ahead of his teammates and ahead of the game.

That's your legacy.

Bye bye, Manny.

Next to the acquisitions of Schilling and Becket, the best thing the Red Sox EVER did in this century was to get rid of Nomar, who was poison in the dugout. Of course, he would back Manny, another guy placing himself over the team. I'm only sorry the Red Sox looked the other way so many times when they should have been disciplining Ramirez. In future years, I hope the Sox are more careful who they pick up, character-wise.

Now we have a team - the guys on the field play who play for the fans, for the love of the game. If they're in a slump - they still play their hearts out and we cheer them for it. We cheer them despite it all because we care about them as much as they do for us. Adios Manny - take your attitude to LA - Red Sox Nation has already recovered. Bye Bye.

This from post# 3

"The red sox should show a sign of respect for Manny and leave the # 4 spot in the line-up empty for at least the rest of the season to show a sign of respect for him."

ok, I've read enough - have a good day...

Now we have a team - the guys on the field play who play for the fans, for the love of the game. If they're in a slump - they still play their hearts out and we cheer them for it. We cheer them despite it all because we care about them as much as they do for us. Adios Manny - take your attitude to LA - Red Sox Nation has already recovered. Bye Bye.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Nomar was offerred $60 M for 4 yrs to stay and Derek Lowe was offerred $27 M for 3. And Pedro,????? When he became the highest paid pitcher in baseball, his comment was, "I wanted 3 years"...... Manny is just another example of someone who did everything he could to get out of town, then recanted so he wouldn't look like an ingrate.......................
Damon has been the only honest one, who said it WAS about the money - and we boo him??????
Everyone is expendable, and , as I wrote yesterday, I think this is Theo conceding for this year, and starting to re-tool for next. Witness all the money saved. I live out here in LA now, and all the people are "pumped" Manny is here. I told then, "You can have him, and Nomar and Lowe and Torre,too."

What a nasty, viscious fan base. This is what the PR machine in the FO counts on....leak some info, start the smear tactics and you people turn on a dime. Sheeple don't deserve star players. Who will you turn on next? Hmmm. Varitek is up for a new contract and won't be brought back. I'm sure we'll soon hear all about how he kills puppies and spits on cancer patients too. Can't wait until you turn on Ortiz. You know it's going to happen too. Shame on all of you. Took bad you didn't have the balls to tell Nomar he was such a loser when he was hitting .370 for your lousy team.

Nomar was my favorite Red Sox Player from the year he stepped foot on the field. I lost all respect for him that night in Yankees stadium when he decided to not be part of a team. Now here he is making comments about the Sox management. The same group of individuals who have brought to World Championships to Boston. Are you kidding me? For those fans that want Epstein gone because of some of his bad trades well maybe you need to look at the good ones because none of the bad ones cost him a championship if I recall. Thanksgiving with the Schillings, last minute trades to get Roberts, Cabrera and Mientkiewicz and voila.... the first world championship since the Civil War. Then Lowell and Beckett for Hanley Ramirez....2nd title in four years. Sure get rid of Epstein because he took a Gagne, a Suppan and now a Jason Bay. Epstein would be the biggest free agent on the market this Winter even bigger then Manny. And for those Sox fans that are going to boycott next year....go ahead no one is gonna even know you are gone. Nation is huge even here in San Diego. When the Sox are here, it's like a home game. I dare you to quit on this team.

oooohhhh please Nomar.... It's time for you millionares to develop some thick skin. For as macho as some of you guys act, you really are a bunch pantywaists.

I never heard Jeter cry when 55,000 people boo'd him in his own stadium. In fact he said he deserved it!!!!

Mo and Roger left on their own Nomar. They weren't traded. Get your facts straight. Just because you think you're worth more than you are, doesn't mean the red sox are wrong for trying to to pay you what they thought you were worth. That's why it's a business. And that's why you're in LA playing for an average team as an average 1st baseman.

Poster #3, you are the biggest moron EVER

Manny demanded to be traded during and after his first season here, before the new ownership even took over.

And Nomar is full of crap saying he wanted to stay. After marrying, he wanted to go to LA, which is where he ended up.

I don't take any stock in what Nomah is saying at all. Laugh all you want buddy, you lost out on 2 World Series Championships because you were a greedy meatheat.

I say let's be 100% positive towards all of our players. Boston is a quality town with lots of educated people with good, common sense. Let's encourage each other as fans, the media, the other players, the management and the ownership to make Boston the most welcomed place in the world to be a professional athlete. 100% positive is the way to go. Nomar and Manny were terrific players. I am sad to see them go. But now we can start over with our new guys. Let's beat the rap on the city of Boston, that it is a tough town to play in. That is not a good vibe to be putting out into the world. I would like to see professional athletes clamoring to play in Boston. And that they never read anything negative about themselves...ever.

Nomar-

Remember the JETER game? A win we needed. You punked out of playing. Jeter dives into the stands, trashes his face & comes up to bat to an ovation next inning. You ask to play & were told to sit down & shut up. Good advice for you now.

Nomah is a joke. We needed a real ballplayer that put team first and that's not his game. How has his career been since we shipped him out of town? How about Pedro? Mo? Roger? Obviously Sox management was right that Roger was past his prime but steriods and HGH kept him going and now he's the biggest joke in the history of organized sports. Theo et al has been excellent in making contract decisions about our current players but they need a little work on the guys they bring in (Renteria, Lugo, etc.)

i already knew this. the red sox paint these guys as bad guys so fans won't be upset when they are traded or aren't offered good contracts by the sox.

i'm through with them. i'm rooting for the mets now...

You know what the Red Sox did show respect to Manny and he threw it back in there faces. According to Nomar Manny wanted to stay, well I guess it depends on what time of year you ask Manny if he wants to or not. The beginning of this year he wanted to retire here and then as usual at the end of July he starts being an A-Hole and telling the bench coach, no less that he can't play and this is when the Yankees are in town. And I'm sure Nomar can he relate; he pulled the same BS when the same opponents where in town here. The Red Sox did nothing to put the 2 of them in a bad light they did a wonderful job of that on their own. And as for the fans who are sad at this and say why give him up for someone they don't know I say "Well get to know Json Bay and look at his #s". His #s are on par with Manny, he's younger and a better role model for kids.

wah wah wah - want some cheese with that whine?

To Sticksnstones, post #70 -- well put!

There are a lot of parallels to the Nomar trade here...
A guy who, while still talented, was on the backside of his career and had displayed a past propensity to shut it down when things weren't satisfactory, causing division in the clubhouse...
Think of Jason Bay as Orlando Cabrera... A younger guy who isn't the superstar that Manny has been, but won't keep Francona et al pulling their hair out, letting them focus on baseball again...
Also, don't forget the real reason Manny went sour; Scott Boras. By getting Manny out of town, Boras can now shop him around two years sooner. Fairwell to the last of the Idiots. Selah.

Nomar,

What the hell have you done since you left Boston???????????? NOTHING!!!!! The Red Sox knew that, that's why they traded your ignorant babyish behind!

Any one who uses the phrase "cancer in the club house" needs to shut it. A guys attitude in what is really just a game, shouldn't be compaired to a nasty disease like cancer. Grow up.

Dear Former Red Nation Member, Apparently you're upset about the Manny trade because you have the same IQ. Please let us know when you plan on dumping your tickets in this so called "boycott barrell" so the real fans can use them to watch THE TEAM.

Let's hear what the likes of Dave Roberts, Trot Nixon, or even a Jaime Moyer have to say. Yes, these stars who became spoiled primadonas had issues upon their exit... but they are the minority. When guys play the game the right way, with the right attitude, there is never a problem with Boston fans. Manny asked to sit out the homestand against the Angels and Yankees with an injury that did not exist... other guys really do get injured and STILL try to get on the field and play. I don't recall a Trot Nixon, Jason Varitek, or Kevin Youkilis telling Francona they couldn't play that day and needed to find a sub. Manny, Nomar, Pedro.... the whole list of them.... they left on sour terms for one reason only: They saw themselves as being bigger than the game. Respect the game and the fans of Boston will respect you... heck, they might even worship you. Become spoiled and quit on the team in the middle of a pennant race and they'll gladly send you packing.

hey I know I'm a Manny lover but still the sox tried to trade him over and over again when they tried to release him in 03 he didn't care when they tried to trade in the same off season he said "lifes too short" when they tried to trade him in the middle 05 he just shook it off and had a good game after the deadline was over. how many times can someone talk about trading you before it pisses you off they just kept pushing Manny and he got tried of it. As for Nomar I don't know they tried to trade him once and he got pissed so I don't know about him.

Maybe you posters need to realize that there are always TWO sides to every story. How many of you can actually say that you have known Manny personally for the past few years, and can attest to the kind of person he is when off the field? As a former journalist I know full well how stories are written, and all it takes is for a staff writer to have a personal grudge or the need to make a name for themselves. You should perhaps consider not believing everything you read in the newspapers.

Sorry, Nomore. Anybody who pushes a 64 year old man to the ground is painting HIMSELF as the bad guy. You and Manny can have each other.

These guys are funny. Nomar gave up on his team due to some "mysterious" injury and as a result he was sulking on the bench during an extra inning, early July game against the hated Yankees in 04'. I remember like it was yesterday- it was the 10th inning and Jeter was barreling into the 3b seats trying to catch a foul ball and Nomar was on the bench with a big frown.

The announcers kept talking about Francona comments on putting Nomar in as a pinch runner or pinch hitter "he told us he was hurt and we'll need him for the stretch run". Read between the lines the coach and organization had enough...

Someone in the media needs to remind all of us about these stories (Nomar, Pedro & Manny) and how each, by their own doing, had unfolded into discontent.

Let's see Nomar turning down $60 million, Manny $40 million. Not having the 2 cancers in the clubhouse; PRICELESS

Nomar, Mo Vaughn, Roger Clemmons and now Manny. Nomar you made the list and the list speaks for itself. Not exactly a list I would use as an example for a youth team

Poster#3 you really are a moron, just like the other guy said. You obviously dont know anything about baseball at all. If you did you would realize that Manny is on the down slope my friend. 36 and cant catch up to a 91 mph fastball. Slow bat speed. And in case you havent noticed he is struggling to bat above .300 for a few years now. Not to mention you will notice how awful he is in the field when he has to play in a regular field. We hid alot of his inability to go back on a ball over his head because he didnt have to worry about it because of the all. Anything over his head was off the wall and uncatchable anyway. And please do us all a favor and all you people boycott the stadium. Its you pink hats like you that make me sick. Know nothing about baseball. Just think its cool to be a Red Sox fan. PATHETIC.

Yeah, where is this so-called boycott barrell that the free tickets are going to be in? I'll be the first in line to go watch Jason Bay and the rest of the Red Sox TEAM play. Let's face it folks, we've won 2 World Series in the past 4 years when we hadn't won one in 86 years! Obviously the upper management is doing something right. We're going to break the record for consecutive sell-outs very soon because we have loyal fans. So if you want to give up your Red Sox Nation membership, go right ahead because we don't want you anyways, as there are plenty of other fans that will still pack Fenway every single night. Yes, we couldn't have done it without Manny because he was a vital part of our lineup but we wouldn't have won WITH him this year. He's a cancer just like Nomar was. What has Nomar done since he left here? Nothing at all.

So if you want to dump your tickets in a boycott barrell outside Fenway because a spoiled left fielder named Manny wanted to cry about being paid $20 million a year, be my guest. I'm sure a 10 year old child that will never have the chance to ever go to Fenway because he can't afford it will appreciate a ticket to go watch Pedroia, Youk, Paps, Lowell, Tek and the rest of the hard working Red sox play that will never smell a contract worth as much as Manny's.

Not surprising that Mr. Hamm is sympathetic to Manny's cause and feels that he was run out of town. He must have forgotten about the time he turned down a $60m deal from the Sox, suffered a phantom injury, and refused to play in a key game against NY.

He has not been missed.

Former Red Sox Nation Member.How Pink is your hat? You are a complete moron who knows nothing about baseball.Respect for a player that never showed respect for the team or fans? Leaving open the 4 spot? Fenway boycott? Throwing tix in a barrell? Do you think that barrel will remain empty?
Signing up and paying to become a member of Red Sox nation does not make you a member of Red Sox nation.Seriously scary that you have reproduced!

My only comment to poster #3 is, glad to see you leave the bandwagon. It's fine to be sad about Manny leaving but blaming the Red Sox is craziness. And leaving the #4 spot "open"--huh?

Mo Vaughn, Roger Clemens, Manny and you, Nomar, you made the list and it speaks for itself. Not exactly a list I would use to inspire a youth team unless I was encouraging them to be self absorbed or to use steroids.

Hopefully,now that Manny has been traded,we can lose some of the "pink hat" fans (see poster #3). Manny had a great run here for a while,but when he quit on the team,I quit supporting him.I rather lose without him then win with him.
As far as Nomar goes,the front office isn't making these guys out to be jerks,they're doing a fine job of that themselves.

I thought the "former Red Sox Nation" post was so ridiculous that it was meant to be sarcastic...Surely a grown "baseball fan" would not voice these feelings in seriousness??? If it was a serious post...I'm speachless!!!!

Thank God some of you have jumped on "FORMER MEMBER" for thos moronic comments. Who cares if Manny can high five people in the stands? It's a great highlight that they can play on NESN for commercials...and that's it.

The fact of the matter is, since he started badmouthing the front office and saying things like he'd take a contract to play in Iraq, the team is 1-5. Manny is a great hitter, probably the best two-strike hitter in the game, or one of, and his bat will be missed. However, his lackadaisical fielding and running down the line will not, nor will his clubhouse demeanor. Anyone who thinks Manny is the epitome of good defense needs to take a long look at how they're evaluating talent.

I can't wait to scoop up my free tickets the rest of the season out of the "boycott barrell", Hopefully, I won't have to deal with something as stupid at "leaving the #4 spot open for the rest of the season". Are you kidding me?

Hey GACK....trading Manny was about removing a clubhouse cancer who in the last 8 games has brought this whole Sox team down to a terrible state. This is a business decision made by a company to help that company perform better, but your obviously an idiot of sports fan after reading your comments. KEEPING THE #4 SPOT OPEN AS A SIGN OF RESPECT? WOW. Do us a favor, stop being a "fan" it's obvious your one of the thousands of people who joined being a red sox fan in 2004, and not someone who understands how the game works and how the business side works as well.

To 81- You have a nice attitude, but I also consider myself a consumer.
This is a business, albeit an emotional one. However, the price you pay for tickets or even your cable bill are effected by the salaries paid to these guys.
Shame on Gordon Edes for not asking Nomah some important follow up questions! I am sooo glad to hear the response on this forum. To me, it shows
95% of the fans understand the business of sports. Theo (though not perfect)
is running this team very similar to the Pats. I was so sick of hearing "everyone
loves Manny"- in my circle of serious sports fans, no one did. The guy played
great when he wanted and in the big games, but everything else about him
is lacking.

Nomar... boo hoo! should have taken the cash and ran. now that you're off the 'roids you can't play anymore. Loser!

Poster #3 - "Fenway Park Boycott"? What a laugh.

If Manny didn't want to leave, why did he sign away his 10/5 rights so he could be traded? What an odd thing to do for someone who wanted to stay.

To Matt, #90... Sorry, I disagree. Cancer in the clubhouse means a player who's presence affects the health of the team in a negative way, which only gets worse the longer the player sticks around. It is an entirely appropriate analogy, and in no way reflects badly on people who are battling cancer.

By the way, in case you are wondering, yes I have loved ones who have battled cancer, one who passed away several years ago.

Ok really though #3 you have no idea what you are talking about. Loved Manny, but it did'nt work out. Excited to get someone who will play his heart out and give THIS team the effort it deserves. Definitely give back your Red Sox Nation Membership, because members like myself would rather not be associated with you. A BOYCOTT???? Really? Why don't you move to LA while you're at it so Manny will have a shoulder to cry on about his contract.

I think the Red Sox organization had shown Manny so much respect already. Remember the year he wants out and the Red Sox put him on waiver?

Didn't you hear what really happened? Theo called the Dodgers and said "How would you like to get Manny?" and the trade was made. Won't the Dodgers be surprised today when Manny DELCARMEN shows up and then old #24 trots out to left field tonight...Jason Bay's going to platoon with Coco and Ellsbury.....isn't that what really happened?

Former RSN member....since when is "holding a player to a double or a triple" a good thing???

I have a different take on the Manny situation and Manny is anything but dumb. Just this year he was quoted as saying he loved Boston and wanted to end his career here!! Maybe, but I think he really did and said whatever he had said was for effect!! He wanted the FO to exersize his option for 09 & 10. We all know the manny being Manny scenario. He has 2 personalities in his head where they are controlled by the weather up there. One is that it's clear and sunny, two he has a tornado going up there that makes him tottally unstable. There is no other explanation. He knows that he was untradable because of his attitude at times for the forementioned and his contract. Trust me he wanted that 20 mil because he will never see that kind of dough again. The only reason the Dodgers would take him is because the Red Sox were still going to pay his contract. His options for 09 and 10 are now history!! Let's see what kind of contract he gets as a free agent next offseason!! I think the FO told him to FO and was willing to do so at any price.

Ed Stanky said something about Carl Yastremski years ago that really didn't apply to YAZ and all I can say is he (Stanky) must have been a clairvoiyant and knew Manny was coming to Boston sometime in te future. Antway that's my take on Manny! If only he had the fire in his belly that YAZ had!!

As far as the others Nomar, Pedro, Clemens, Vaughn and some others. What have they done after they left? Pretty much nothing except for Clemems (Hey I had a hard time remembering how to spell his name). That's how much I miss him.
We all know how he reinvented himself with steroids. He wanted a huge contract after treating the fans to a sub .500 season. He lost his fastball and was trying to finesse his way thru a game and it didn't work. His best pitch was the fastball as everyone knew, so why change. He didn't have that fastball and it didn't show up until the steroids kicked in. Nolan Ryan always had the fastball. Amazing!!

I didn't mention Johnny Damon because he actually left for dough and U can't out bid the Yankees if they really want a player. But again it's a shame because they think they deserve every great player they can afford, but unfortunatly only 25 to a team. Pedro at least admitted that Sox where right in not matching the 4 year deal he got from the Mets.

Nomar is lucky he is still in the majors!! I think the FO told him to FO after he rejected that rediculous offer when Jeter was making more, HOW INSULTING!! What are U making now Nomar?

Vaughn was a good player and should have concentrated on playing the game instead of trying to run the FO on his opinions of what should be done. Another FO from the FO.

Nomah (et al):

It's nothing personal. It's just business. Get over it........the Sox won 2 championships without you, Mo, & Roger........like Manny says: "They're not stupid." He defeated this argument.

Thanks post #70 - you summed it up perfectly. And post #3, what the heck are you talking about, leaving the #4 spot empty?? Would you stand a Manny bobblehead on the plate to take three strikes, no swings, like the real bozo did against Rivera? And if you want, I'd be happy to save you a trip to the trash can on Landsdown Street - you can just mail your tix to me directly.

This Front Office can sicken me. It leaks more than the Exxon Valdez. Just make the move, and keep quiet.

But, everything on Yawkey Way is spin, spin, spin.

The few people whining and kvetching about losing Manny don't have a clue. Baseball is a BUSINESS. Manny made a business decision (and I think there was a STRONG likelihood he was advised on what to do by BorASS). With the Sox controlling Manny's next two years at $20M/per, basically, Manny had to perform on the field like a puppet or risk his meal ticket. With his skills in decline, he couldn't be sure that he would be up to the challenge - and most importantly - getting out of this contract with the Sox makes him a FREE AGENT at the end of the season. Instead of 2 one year deals under one team's control - Manny will go into free agency and land himself a giant payday for probably 4 years/$65M+ dollars. WAY more than he'd see if he was stuck playing out one year contracts until he's 38 years old.

This was a BUSINESS DECISION by Manny. Don't take things so personally. People who are jumping off of bridges because of losing this fruitcake need to grow a brain. You root for the laundry or not at all.

That former Red Sox Nation member is a genuine retard.

Maybe some of you wishy-washy fans are using revisionist history. Nomar Garciaparra BUSTED HIS ASS EVERY INNING OF EVERY GAME, HUSTLED DOWN THE LINE, LED THE TEAM IN A TON OF OFFENSIVE CATEGORIES WHILE BEING AMONG THE TOP 3 SHORTSTOPS IN BASEBALL WHILE HE WAS A BOSTON RED SOX...then he turns down a 4 year, 60-million dollar contract because he saw that AROD got a giant contract and Manny got 8 year, 160-million, then the fans turned on him, then the MEDIA REALLY TURNED ON HIM...now he's villified as a quitter and the team suddenly won the WS in 04 due to the trade. Well, how did the Sox treat Cabrera after the Sox won the 04 WS, he wanted to be paid too, and he deserved it, and no offers, they wanted Renteria...In 03, the Sox were within a managerial non-decision of making it to the WS with Nomar as their shortstop. I'm sick of the Nomar bashing, you fans used to stand and give him ovations and now that he's an often-injured veteran, you continue to trash on him. Enough is enough. Nomar went out after a playoff loss and gave you the fans an ovation, but that again is forgotten. Just remember his exit from Boston, and then some complete moron wrote earlier on this blog that Nomar didn't play up to his potential...I couldn't believe that statement. Unreal. Nomar averaged 28 homers, 100 RBI and batted .320 as a Sox shortstop. Try finding that in our Sox 08 lineup from anyone, especially the shortstop spot. Ungrateful fans. All of you. Holier than thou after 2 WS titles. Spoiled, just like the Yankee fans we used to ridicule. How sad.

Red Sox Nation sucks! In fact baseball sucks. I'd rather bake cookies.

#3 and #76... seriously???

#76- do you watch baseball, because if you did then you would know that half of the complaints about Manny on this article aren't about the jay walking or the pushing down the old man they are about his attitude. They are about what he did and what he said... they are about how he sat out the games and how he stopped caring... if you watched baseball then you would have seen that yourself. Baseball is as much political as it is anything else. Varitek if he does get traded will go out gracefully and with class because he is a class act... Manny on the other hand is not a class act.

#3- Baseball is about having fun but your reasoning behind Manny being great because he ran into the green monster to pee and sign autographs, are you for real!!!?... Baseball is about winning games!! If your team is not united then you aren't going to win games!! Manny wasn't happy at Boston and he is happy going where the money is... just let it be!! u knucklehead...

2006 Nomar (this is apparently forgotten as well). 20 hr, 93 RBI, .303 bavg for the Dodgers....again, i'll take that in any lineup.

#3 and #76... seriously???

#76- do you watch baseball, because if you did then you would know that half of the complaints about Manny on this article aren't about the jay walking or the pushing down the old man they are about his attitude. They are about what he did and what he said... they are about how he sat out the games and how he stopped caring... if you watched baseball then you would have seen that yourself. Baseball is as much political as it is anything else. Varitek if he does get traded will go out gracefully and with class because he is a class act... Manny on the other hand is not a class act.

#3- Baseball is about having fun but your reasoning behind Manny being great because he ran into the green monster to pee and sign autographs, are you for real!!!?... Baseball is about winning games!! If your team is not united then you aren't going to win games!! Manny wasn't happy at Boston and he is happy going where the money is... just let it be!! u knucklehead...

#3 and #76... seriously???

#76- do you watch baseball, because if you did then you would know that half of the complaints about Manny on this article aren't about the jay walking or the pushing down the old man they are about his attitude. They are about what he did and what he said... they are about how he sat out the games and how he stopped caring... if you watched baseball then you would have seen that yourself. Baseball is as much political as it is anything else. Varitek if he does get traded will go out gracefully and with class because he is a class act... Manny on the other hand is not a class act.

#3- Baseball is about having fun but your reasoning behind Manny being great because he ran into the green monster to pee and sign autographs, are you for real!!!?... Baseball is about winning games!! If your team is not united then you aren't going to win games!! Manny wasn't happy at Boston and he is happy going where the money is... just let it be!! u knucklehead...

Nomar is just being Nomar (must be the "roids" talking)
by the way, what were Mo Vaughn's postseason numbers back when he was the "star?" Not real good.

And do people recall Clemen's E.R.A., etc. in the postseason? Not even close to Shill, D Lowe, Beckett, etc. Must have been pre-roids numbers.

Thanks beautiful

Good riddance to disgruntled players like Manny and Nomar, - another gem who sat in the dugout when he had a hangnail or some such 'injury.' Now, they can be together in Red Sox West.
J. Rab in Rio

Good riddance to disgruntled players like Manny and Nomar, - another gem who sat in the dugout when he had a hangnail or some such 'injury.'

Now, they can be together in Red Sox West.

J. Rab in Rio

Who cares about what NOMAH/ NO MORE has to say. As a Red Sox fan for over 50 years, It personally offends me when these players who leave Boston start crying about how awful it was here. It's a great city, with a great park and fans who sell out the stadium every night. Try playing in Kansas City for awhile!!!

As fans, we are all upset about this Manny situation (regardless of how ii ended) but Manny left the Sox with no choice. Let's all try to "move on", get past this, and hope the Sox can go out and win some ballgames.

GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those of you thinking of participating in the boycott - before you throw those tickets into that trash barrel, please sends a few of them my way and to Make-A-Wish of Massachusetts, and to Children's Hospital. There are a lot of people - real fans - who would love to use those tickets to see the Red Sox.

Instead of focusing on "LITTLE CHICO" and all the other premadonnas who think it's all about them. I'm going to focus on players who understand that they make a lot of money to play a kids game and they go out every night and play their asses off.

Thank you to the many real baseball players. We notice what you do and we appreciate it.

Ah, well, Nomar - at least your wife is (and acts like) a champion . . . .

Who knew Nomar was still in MLB! And, who cares what this cancer has to say anyway. They deserve each other.

I would like to know what day they plan on doing the Fenway boycott!!! I want to be the one that hold the barrel all the disgruntled fans are going to throw there tickets in. I might be able to get a few good seats to see Jason Bay fill Manny's shoes!!!

Nomar, your wife has won NCAA women's soccer championships (4 times!), Women's World Cup (2 times), Olympic Gold twice, and Olympic Silver once.

Ask her about TEAMWORK. Maybe she can help you and Manny learn that concept.

Can anyone explain why so many superstars get shipped out of Boston? There is a track record of this.

I guess the Sox are like everyone else in New England...they think they're better than the rest of the country, but really, they're the same, just a lot worse at driving and speaking and a lot more arrogant.

All you offended Sox fans who want to tear up your tix or not show up at Fenway....please do. Maybe I can get a seat at the ballpark.. All you Sox fans claiming the badmouthing of Manny is a FO conspiracy, there is a spaceship landing in some open field in Kansas right about now.. Get a life!. Manny was a jerk who could hit the heck out of the ball and occasionally made everyone laugh. But he was a selfish jerk who was enabled by fans, players, media, the FO , and jerks like me until he went too far. Actually he went too far years ago. Thanks for the help in the Championships, Manny. No thanks for what you did to this team so you could be a free agent and not have two option years left on your gross contract.

sticksnstones. #70...great post!! right on track with everything you said! If Manny had kept his hands to himself and his big mouth shut, he'd still be here for another 2 months, then let go to sail off to try to find more than 20 mil a year to play.When your clubhouse doesn't want you around, big run producer or not, it's time for you to pack and leave.

Former RSN member #3. It says it right in the name...RED SOX Nation, not Manny Nation!! It's about the team, not one individual. You wanna boycott and throw your tickets away, great. Let me know when that is and me and my kids will come dig thru the trash and go watch a game in person...can't afford to do that with the prices the way they are, but that's a gripe for another day.

Good luck to Manny and hopefully he finds what he's looking for. For me, I want to see a little more hustle, a little more heart and a little less drama from my Red Sox team. I think we'll be seeing that now.

I really like the comments by #113. Also, Ramirez is not GOD. Maybe while in LA they will cut his hair and get him a real job for minimum wage. SOX FANS, you created this (Manny being Manny) so, forgeta about it.

People are all over Poster #3 but I think he was kidding.... right???

Nomar?! Nomar?! Who the hell cares what that steroid-addled, has-been says? He hasn't put together 2 good or healthy months since 2004. What a jerk! The truth is this Nomar: you and PedroMart and Damon, and now Manny were just passengers on a bigger train. You weren't the engine. Team above all egos. You and your buddies lost. Have fun toiling in the shadows while the Sox go on to bigger and better things without you. You couldn't handle the truth: you ain't Derek Jeter. You ain't Rick Burleson.

Whoever posted comment #3 has no idea what they are talking about. It's management's job to build a winning team, not to load the lineup with players who act "silly". Talent plus chemistry equals success and Manny was destroying the latter. They were right to get rid of him. Why would you want someone on your team who did not want to be there. You shouldn't have to continuously motivate someone with 2 World Series rings in 4 years and who you are giving $20 million to. And Jason Bay is not a no name player. He is a former All-Star who plays above average defense and is a tremendous hitter. He is young talent, who's best is still yet to come - along the lines of a Mark Texiera. Please go ahead and join Dodger nation. Red Sox Nation does not need fans like you anyway.

2 numbers, 2 words.

4 years, 60 million.

LOL.

Just Manny being Mammy.

76, you must be high or something. do you remember the first time Pedro stepped on the moun din a Mets uniform? How about the way Trot Nixon was Received when he came back with the Indians? Yes, we might have to part ways with Tek after this year. But if that is what's best for the future of the Sox, that's the right thing to do. But if Tek ever comes back in another uniform you can be damned sure that he will get a standing ovation when he returns to Fenway, because he was classy, played the game right nad RSN will never forget that.

Who ever has written the comments under the name "Posted by FORMER Red Sox Nation Member "; are you trying to be funning or are you serious. I am not kidding when I ask that questions, I am completely perplexed. This is either the driest line of sarcastic humor I have read or just a person painfully out of touch with baseball. I have to assume you are serious thus very misguided. Let me say this first, I have always appropriated Manny offense (amazing!) and I always felt defensively Many was average away from Fenway and better then average at Fenway. I appreciated his skills but I did not appreciate the nonsense that a man paid over $20,000,000 (count the zeros!) a year was able to get away with. If you want your kids to laugh at someone on the field take them to the rodeo, they pay people to be clowns there. Wake up its baseball, its about winning, its about putting full effort into every thing you do when you get on the field. Manny was a very talented but immature guy who was not going to be resigned by the RedSox at the end of the season and/or would not have resigned with the RedSox. The Sox got something for him before his sell by date expired. Good on you Theo, time to play baseball.

Don't you get sick of these players whining when they do not get there own way? They are like spoiled little brats!

So far no one the sox have let go or traded has done alot..Well the rocket did ok with a little help :o) Oh but he didn't take steroids did he I forgot.....

of course we will miss Mannys bat and some of his silly antics but at 20 million shut up and play ball or in Mannys on words "Do your job"

Nomar you a cry baby baby bay baby bbaby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You terrible insecure and you do not have the killer instinct!!!

plain and simple cry cry cry cry!!

you not winner!

Here's a little nugget for the gutless "fans" who take their punches when a guy turns his back: What do Nomar, Pedro, and Manny all have in common when they left town? They were ALL Duquette's boys. What a coincidence that all three were painted by rumor and leaks coming out of the top brass of the sox management, who run a tighter security than the US government in Area 51!!!! And they fed all of you card carrying "Red Sox Nation" sheep to think it was all the players doing. They play to your biggest weakness.. The New England Blue-Collar Jealousy Card. Any big figure in this region who makes a ton of money automatically goes to the top of the hit list. Their money is your rage. And you all by into it with the Rah-rah our laundry is the best. Do you think for one moment the Red Sox Brass gives a rats butt about you and your concerns?? Who do you think makes you pay $95 Granstand tickets not even facing the plate? Who makes money selling you shirts and creating ads on their OWN NETWORK saying "Manny being Manny"?? Is that your blind eye gutless fans or have they poked you in the eye too many times for you to even remember??!!
Hate Manny with your biggoted comments (And those of you who say them KNOW who I'm refering to), act all tough like you never liked him when he is gone. Just like the beloved Nomah! Your arrogance and your foolishness only makes you look even stupider.
Manny did his job here. He wasn't perfect, he made several mistakes, and he isn't the same player anymore. His time to go was on the wall. But could you for once, JUST once New England, just learn to appreciate a superstar regardless of his money??!! Loserville wasn't so fun was it before Manny, and Nomar, and Pedro??
How quick ye forgets..

Nomar you're a bum, you should have taken the 60 mill to stay in Boston. I'm glad you didn't. You're selfish, and ignorant.
Nobody even misses you here. We would have never won two championships with you. You should retire.
LALA land is where you belong. I can't beleive you were ever compared to guy like Jeter. WAY MORE HEART THAN YOU. You're a joke.

boston fans are self obsess retards

Nomar has nothing to be bitter about. He was well paid and well loved, but he kept contract negotiations going for much of the 2004 season. The Sox gave Nomar a World Series ring although his *leaving* was probably his biggest contribution to the team that season. I can understand Nomar forgetting it was Dan Duquette and the former ownership group who released Clemens and Vaughn--time and bitterness can do that. As for Manny? Great hitter, decent fielder, dumb as a post. Manny, your agent played you -- he gets 10 percent of your next contract. Pedro goaded you because he's lonely in New York. Papi defended you left and right but you kept pushing until you got traded out of Boston. Good luck getting away with half your antics with Joe Torre calling the shots in LA. Thanks for the memories, guys.

Nomar was a great player in his day. Sox management wer astute in recognizing that those days were drawing to a close. Ditto for Manny. I appreciate what both these players did for us. Manny was smart enough to know that there was no way he was going to get 20m/yr based on his production. It was time to go. I hated to see Damon go too but at the price he was asking and his age/diminishing skills... it was time for him to go too. At the end of the year we'll have extra income to spend on a free agent [right handed power hitter]. Good luck Manny. Let's make it an amicable divorce.

Too many Sox fans are vindictive.
I was bummed when Nomar was dealt...the Sox haven't had a decent shortstop (well, Cabrera was hot for a half year) since he left, which makes the current run that much more amazing.
I am equally saddened with Manny going, though it was obvious time for it, just as it was for Nomar.
But they both had great careers with the Sox and all this trash talk is in poor taste.

I was going to post something until I read post #70. That is how I feel in a nut shell. Was I sad when we traded Nomar? Yes. Was I sad when Pedro walked? Yes. Am I sad that Manny is gone? Again, yes. Do I think that ALL of these decisions were absolutely the correct choice? YES. Theo has a handle on what's going on.

Also, for all the people who are still defending Manny *cough* #3 *cough*, even PAPI stopped defending him. When your best friend doesn't have your back anymore with the media, you crossed a line and there's no coming back. If guys on the team wanted him gone as is currently being reported, then it was clearly time. Things never got that bad with Pedro or Nomar.

Also, we absolutely need to keep in mind that this team is still in the playoffs (including picking up a game on the Yankees tonight). Once you get into October, anything can happen (even beating the Angels, though I'm not holding my breath).

Go Sox.

TO KERRI:

IF NOMAR NEVER LIVED UP TO HIS ANTICIPATED TALENT

Unfortunately baseball is a business, Nomar did get greedy, and was a possibly spoiled brat at the end of his time. I loved Nomr as a player in his days with the Sox, and would hopefully see him have better times in L.A., but unfortunately he has become very injury prone, however he is way out of line in his comments about the Sox, to Manny. Definite sour grapes !!

As for Manny, the Sox front office never painted Manny in a corner, did not bad mouth him, always put up with his antics, etc, etc, etc. Manny ran himself out of town. The Sox picked the perfect time in business, because after this year his contract was up, except for option years.

Manny gave it his all when he wanted in his years with the Sox, then inexlicably would start dogging it on occasion. Again I loved Manny when he came to play, but his act got old, was disruptive to the team this year, so the Sox front office did what Manny wanted. TRADED HIM !!

Theres no crying in baseball! Unless of course you are use to getting your way and someone finally says NO.

True dat', AltaMIG. Manny and Nomar's case were completely different. Terry Francona and John Henry were Manny's biggest enablers. They bent over backwards to meet his every demand. And the truth is he alwys tanked on the teamd whne they needed him. If this were the Manny at age 28-34, I could understand their reluctance. But Pedro Martinez and Nomar NEVER again produced the numbers they had with the Sx, thus validating Theo's decisions. There was absolutely NO guarantee Manny would not get another mysterious "injury" which seemed to appear depending on his mood and whether the Red Sox were quick enough in changing his diapers.

As far as I'm concerned, Manny can go **** himself.
Wow, I feel so much better now.

What is Nomah saying? does he read the papers? What an idiot. "Manny wanted to stay in Boston?"

These overpaid Egotistical entertainers create and live in their own reality surrounded by people who kiss their a** day and night. Seldom if ever do they hear a genuine opinion. " Yes Manny, No Manny, You the man, Manny..." So of course they act like the spoiled brats they are.

Hey Manny: I stood in Fenway and watched those long balls ride, my hands in the air along with you and everyone else. But I could care less now. No more tantrums, dogging it, beating on old men, at least not in our town. Maybe that act plays well in L.A.

You should have more class than that. What kind of role model are you for kids? a bad one. See ya..

I can't believe Torre's gonna put up with his nonsense for more than half a season.
It would be great if nobody picked him up.

Manny apologists are morons. Anyone who quits on their club and teammates is scum. Manny is a once great now very good hitter and a terribly unprofessional jerk. Scott Boras put him up to it but Manny carried it out.

Why am I always the person in message boards that has to explain that people are joking? Read #3 again and realize that he's making fun of Pink Hats. Dry humor is a bit difficult to read, I know.

#3 -- Sorry for ruining your fun. I suspect you like to try to make it look at serious as possible just to laugh at the people calling you a moron. But I get SO uncomfortable when people don't get a joke.

yeah, nomar, and you've been such a force since you left. you and manny can suck and get injured together on the west coast. maybe you can show manny how to run out those double play grounders. or perhaps how to judge a fly ball from home plate. what exactly was manny's grievance again? i realize 20 million is a pittance to play ball, especially for being such an incredibly sucky fielder, but as a baseball fan, i still don't quite understand the difficulty of being a good teammate. but nomar and manny in LA, yeah!

What is Nomah saying? does he read the papers? What an idiot. "Manny wanted to stay in Boston?"

These overpaid Egotistical entertainers create and live in their own reality surrounded by people who kiss their a** day and night. Seldom if ever do they hear a genuine opinion. " Yes Manny, No Manny, You the man, Manny..." So of course they act like the spoiled brats they are.

Hey Manny: I stood in Fenway and watched those long balls ride, my hands in the air along with you and everyone else. But I could care less now. No more tantrums, dogging it, beating on old men, at least not in our town. Maybe that act plays well in L.A.

You should have more class than that. What kind of role model are you for kids? a bad one. See ya..

I can't believe Torre's gonna put up with his nonsense for more than half a season.
It would be great if nobody picked him up.

Nomar is "making" $9.25 million this year, and certainly does not deserve even half that at today's outlandish salaries. I believe I saw that he has 5 HRS and 19 RBIS so far this year, not bad for a player constantly on the injured list . He's an idiot for coming to the defense of Ramirez as they both deserve each other. I can't wait to see which GM is going to "hand" Manny his next contract. They should check out his numbers and they'll see he doesn't warrant $8 mil-per year. He reminds me of other good players who practically hit a wall at 36 yrs. old, but they still believe they can turn it on. In reality, that will only happen in short spurts and we'll see that with Manny now in LA. Of course, he will have the league change excuse and there are people who will cut him slack for that too. Interesting that he will wear #99. That's the percentage that he will again be a cancer to someone's elses clubhouse!!!

Moe Vaughn said, after he retgired that he regretted leaveing the sox's. Nomar was offered sixty million and he turned it down, wow were the soxs lucky on that one. Rocked wasin decline till he went on drugs. And you never knew what to expect from Lowe, what has he done since leaveing. Pedro was another good move by the soxs, he hasn't won over ten games in the years since he left. The soxs, have played all this out, good move soxs.

If Nomar had stayed on the pace he was settng in Boston he would have definitely have been considered for the Hall of Fame, but he got greedy an landed up out of town. Who can predict if Nomar would have been so injury prone here, but in his last days in Boston, we were seeing signs of injuries constantly cropping up. Before the trade I would have taken Nomar over Jeter, but now it is no contest.

I'm a diehard Sox fan transplanted to Milwaukee, after spending my life in Boston, but I don't mind saying that despite the fact that Jeter plays for the DAMNED YANKEES, he is a consumate professional. He plays hard, comes to play every day and will land up in the Hall of Fame.

Good luck to Manny, but he forced the move and got what he wanted, but what makes no sense is that if he wanted to really stay he could have vetoed the trade. He probably did come back to the Sox through "BorASS", but the Red Sox said no to the offer, and the trade stood. Manny could have vetoed the deal, but with the answer of no from the front office, Manny saw the writing on the wall.

Shame is Manny will most likely be in New York with the Yankees next year, but if Manny does us any favor, maybe he'll do a good job of disrupting the Yankees club house as well, like he did here. The difference is that the Yankees management, and players won't put up with his antics. The Dodgers will not either.

I can't blame the Sox for wanting to trade Manny now, but this is thier making as well as Manny's. Both sides share the blame. Manny for being an over paid, immature player, and the Red Sox for letting him get away with all of his games over the years. If the Sox had controlled this from the beginning, Manny would either be finishing his career with the Sox or would have been traded years ago.

People: I'm a HUGE sox fan, please don't don't doubt that. But I'm saddenned by all this BS about past players 'attitudes' and 'greedyness'.
I had the lucky opportunity to meet Pedro Martinez this summer in SD when the Mets were swept by the Padres, and he told me PERSONALLY that he never wanted to leave Boston, misses Boston, misses Red Sox nation, but that's what management wanted. He is THE nicest guy, and extremely sincere and down to earth. Based on this chat with Pedro, I believe Nomar did not want to leave, and believe Manny did not want to leave, but felt forced to. Manny did make a comment about being 'made to look like the bad guy', and after my little chat with Pedro- I believe that too.
I love our team, and I love our players. And I'm not even blaming management for how they do what they do- it's obviosuly working- we've won 2 championships! But the players have a right to say they don't like it. Sure, they're getting payed to play, and payed a lot. But they also have lives and want to have some choice in where they live and who they work with and for- its not easy being uprooted, no matter what you make.
Stop demonizing these players. Nomar was GREAT, and we loved him when he was here. Pedro was great, Johnny was great, Roger was great. We were confused and saddenned when all these players were traded- but we let the media and management twist it so the players look ed like 'the bad guys' and not just business decisions.
Let it go. This trade may be good for the team, and may be good for Manny in the end. But don't pretend to believe that we EVER get the full story on the decisions that are made by the boys behind the Red Sox. Information is fed to us how they want it to be- but not necessarily how it IS.
Go SOX!

I have to agree. im sure all of these guys would have loved to have stayed in boston, but the Sox management not only had theyre reasons to send them on their way, but felt the need to villify them in the eyes of the fans. Interestingly, none of these guys have any problem "growing up" somewhere else.
I think that the sox called for his MRI after taking the day off, like he has periodically done, all of a sudden, and Manny saw the writing on the wall. he'd seen what had happened to pedro, and nomar, and clemens and vaughn before them, and was upset because he probably cared about how the fans felt and didnt like what was happening.
It also seems to be part of a plan by Theo and gang to replace any induviduals on the roster with Jason bay/JD Drew types
(NOT that i have ANYTHING against Either of them) which kinda makes sense, as giving players like Pedro and Clemens too much leway has historically been a problem