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Schilling reveals past run-in with Manny

Posted by Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff August 5, 2008 10:06 AM

Curt Schilling today revealed details of a physical confrontation he had with Manny Ramirez in 2005.

In an interview on Boston sports radio station WEEI this morning, Schilling described the incident, in which he and Ramirez "had to be broken up" after Ramirez allegedly turned sour over a comment Schilling made about Ramirez sitting out a game against the Devil Rays.

Here's how Schilling described it, in his own words:

"We were in Tampa a couple of years back and it was the night Trot [Nixon] got hurt and we had an off day the next day and Manny was scheduled to have the day off that night, and Trot couldn't play.

"Manny was supposed to have an off day and he was asked to fill in for Trot because we had nobody to play and he didn't and we were in the clubhouse and it was David [Ortiz] and Manny and I and Ino [Guerrero] and the [Seth McClung] was pitching, and he was one of those guys who threw 96 miles per hour and no one could ever figure out why he wasn't better than he was and against us he'd always go out the first three innings and look like Cy Young. Of course this night he's looking like Cy Young, he punched out five or six guys in the first three innings and David looks at me and says 'Why in the hell does this guy turn into Cy Young against us?' and I said 'Hey, it just makes Manny look that much smarter, he ain't stupid, he knows what days to take off,' and Manny took offense to that and ... there was something that had to be broken up and the next day I saw Manny and it was as if the previous day never happened. One of the beautiful things about Manny."

Schilling also spoke more about the trade that sent Manny to the Dodgers.

"You kind of hope it didn't happen because it ends up being someone getting what they wanted after doing every possible thing ethically they could do wrong," Schilling said. "I was in that clubhouse after that and the change in atmosphere was palpable and I don't think you can put a price tag on that." ...

"When you look at what happened and how it went down, and how much effort was expended to make sure that Manny wasn't here at the end of the trading deadline, you have to kind of trust the fact that it wasn't working."

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118 comments so far...
  1. Another day, another Manny story. Get a life Boston.

    Posted by Bo Edlund August 5, 08 11:11 AM
  1. Oh great. Now we have to listen to all the behind the closed doors stories. Schill, I love ya but if you weren't a big enough man to talk about it while Manny was here why bother now? Can this issue die please?

    Posted by Kim August 5, 08 11:24 AM
  1. this is old news. i remember this being reported in even more detail back in 2005. will curt schilling ever shut up? will steve silva ever stop obsessing over every manny controversy, big or small?

    nope on both.

    Posted by ang August 5, 08 11:30 AM
  1. Curt left out the best part of the incident in Tampa a couple years ago.

    Curt said "Manny is smart he took the day off" or whatever to which Manny replied "Screw you, I can hit anyone in baseball, especially your ass". Classic Manny moment right there.

    Its described in one of the chapters called The Manny Sagas in Seth Mnookins book "Feeding the Monster." Worth reading, btw.

    Posted by David August 5, 08 11:36 AM
  1. NOW GO AWAY !

    Posted by thanksforthememories...... August 5, 08 11:37 AM
  1. Who is Curt Schilling to talk? At least Manny earned some of his money this year. This over-weight mess screwed the club out of 8 million and directly went against their wishes. How does he know what the clubhouse is like?

    I bet more people would love to be rid of Schilling's mouth than Manny's attitude. I know which cause more problems. I hope he never pitches again, and he'll never make the hall. He's not good enough, and no one likes him.

    Posted by Nick August 5, 08 11:42 AM
  1. I couldn't possibly care any less about the drivel and know-it-all BS that falls out of that egotistical washout Schilling's mouth. Schilling who?

    Posted by lololola August 5, 08 11:42 AM
  1. They're all hypocrites. Let's see...Theo didn't like his job security, either, or lack thereof, and pouted his way out the door in a gorilla suit. He quit in the middle of an important offseason (Beckett-Hanley deal). Why? To gain leverage in his contract and get more money---he felt his labor was worth more than what was offered. This is the same thing as Manny--tanked at an important time to gain leverage.

    And don't get me started about Schilling and his ethics. Hmm, seems that that shoulder of his was a little iffy. Don't forget about Trot and Schill being in bed with the team doctor a few years back getting favorable opinions. Ethics, really?

    Posted by Bottomlesschips.com August 5, 08 11:44 AM
  1. "Table For One" strikes again!!

    Posted by Mitch Williams August 5, 08 11:51 AM
  1. Why doesn't Schill just take a studio job with Dennis and Callahan at this point? They talk to him every freaking day. I'm sick of hearing his voice. If you're not on the field playing, you shouldn't be running your mouth EVERY FREAKING DAY.

    Posted by Schlippo August 5, 08 11:54 AM
  1. What's Shelling going to do when he has no one left to talk about?

    I don't listen to EEI. I have a job. Can someone tell me if they have any shows over there that aren't about, for, or promoted by Curt from Medfield?

    Posted by Nephews of Eddie Jurak August 5, 08 11:54 AM
  1. I can not believe the times that I have stood up for Curt Schilling. Stood up for him, actually I came close to idiolizing him. I do not believe that professional ballplayers are heroes. However, I have always told all my friends that if there was a baseball player that to me was CLOSE to a hero it was Curt Schilling. I mean come on, the bloody sock and all. I defended him many times against reporters for the very rag, I mean newspaper. I said he was entitiled to state his opinions while others called him a loud-mouthed braggart. I said he most certainly did not STEAL $8,000,000 from the Red Sox when he signed his last contract. They had doctors check him out, his shouldar must have been fine then. Well, you get the idea. I could go on and on. Well I take it all back. Who the hell is this man, who is a loud-mouthed braggart and a thief, to knock anything any other player has done? What gives him the right? All the other players are taking the high road and saying nothing negative about their former teammate (the truth as I believe it is that they actually have nothing negative to say about him). Well I'm convinced. Curt Schilling is all those bad things that have been said about him in the press and probably much worse as well.

    Posted by elccpa24 August 5, 08 11:56 AM
  1. Doesn't Schilling think people also get tired of him? Why does everything ALWAYS have to be about Schilling and Shonda? He's not even playing for god sake!

    Posted by mgorman August 5, 08 11:57 AM
  1. I think Schilling should keep his mouth shut for the rest of the year or until he actually gets off his butt and starts pitching again. Until then, nobody wants to hear it Curt!!

    Posted by Mike August 5, 08 12:00 PM
  1. Doesn't Shilling ever shut up? Why don't the Sox release him? He isn't going to pitch again and he is just drinking their gatorade for nothing.

    Posted by steve Bouchard August 5, 08 12:06 PM
  1. This is nothing new - it got plenty of press when it happened - only you pink hats have short memories. It figures Schiling would now rehash the most infamous of his 'run-ins' with 24. Surely he has been waiting for three years to do so.

    This was the time Papi had to get between Curt and Manny after CS accused Manny ot sitting out because he could not hit the pitcher scheduled.

    24 amusingly replied "I can hit anybody's a$$, including yours' and reportedly went after the much bigger Schilling.

    Ortiz rushed in between them. Wished he had not then, and wish it now even more. if there is one thing I'd like to have seen Manny ride out of town with, it's knowing he at least once wiped that superior supercllious smirk off Mr Schilling's unctuous puss.

    This was all reported ad nausuem way back when. But if Curt can get more mileage rehashing, revising and PILING ON on now, by all means - that's what the Dennis and Callahan show is for. Sick puppies that they are.

    As for the great sin of 'getting something you wanted after being ethically wrong' well, that 8 mil Curt pocketed this year under suspicious health circumstances
    also needs further examination.

    But....hey Curt, keep PILING ON Manny now the man is gone.

    it's ALL you're good for these days.

    Posted by Firefligh August 5, 08 12:24 PM
  1. Too bad Manny didn't clock him the only other jerk in the Redsox organization besides Manny is Schilling. He should keep his mouth shut. He and his wife have appointed themselves some sort of spokes people for the Redsox and the city of Boston.

    Posted by Robin D. August 5, 08 12:25 PM
  1. What a surprise, Schillings big mouth started controversy. I wish Manny would have thumped him, for as much as he was a careless outfielder and reticent with the press and tough to figure out, he never had the big mouth that made things worse like Curt does.
    Shut up Schilling

    Posted by Boo Harvey August 5, 08 12:33 PM
  1. Curt, why don't you just go away!

    Posted by mike m August 5, 08 12:38 PM
  1. Manny hates it when the truth is told about him.

    Posted by mascmen7 August 5, 08 12:43 PM
  1. He did the same thing this season - all the games he asked out of were against the opponents ace. Twice against Felix Hernandez, against Joba, against Verlander, and against Volquez in Cincy. Glad he is gone, would have been in 2 months anwyays. Between his 20 mil and Schilling's 12, that is 32 million off the books that can be used to sign a Ben Sheets and eat some of Lugo's contract to get him out of here too. Not sure I've EVER seen that guy smile. Even once. Let's work on a Ben Sheets and get a veteran in here to share time with Lowrie next season. Even if it's an Eckstein or John McDonald type.

    Posted by Boomer August 5, 08 12:45 PM
  1. Are the Sox going to start revealing everything that goes on in the clubhouse now, or are they only going to reveal everything not so good that Manny did to continue to paint Manny in a bad light to the fans? Enough already! This is old news anyway. If you're not going to reveal the stuff about everyone, then shut up! This Red Sox PR machine to paint Manny as a bad guy is getting really disgusting! You wanted Manny gone and now he's gone, so stop it already.

    Posted by Sandra August 5, 08 12:47 PM
  1. It's just Manny being Manny!

    Posted by The Best Manny Fan Ever August 5, 08 12:49 PM
  1. Enough out of Schilling already!
    You should conserve your energy instead of running your mouth about a past incident involving 2 players that don't play here anymore to make yourself relevant now that You arent playing anymore. Unless your rehab includes getting up on a soapbox, Knock it off!! By the way, did you ever give back your "I will be in shape when I get to camp" 2 Mil bonus back?

    You have had a good career but its time...
    Time to enjoy your retirement and all the shuffleboard you can play!!

    Posted by Finnie August 5, 08 12:56 PM
  1. Speaking of moving forward, how 'bout we stop treating everything that comes out of Schilling's mouth as newsworthy ? At this stage, why should we be interested in what he thinks about anything ? Many thanks for the memories and we look forward to his being an important part of future Old Timers Days and reunions of Championship Teams. In the meantime, good-bye and in all sincerity good luck to him and his family.

    Posted by Tom O'Brien August 5, 08 01:00 PM
  1. funny how Schilling waits until now to mention this.....must have been bored getting ignored by the media recently.

    Posted by K August 5, 08 01:03 PM
  1. Curt being Curt !!

    Posted by Dee August 5, 08 01:06 PM
  1. This doesn't make anyone look good.

    Posted by Wondering August 5, 08 01:11 PM
  1. no way you can blame manny for wanting to punch schill in the face. i've wanted to do it a handful of times myself and i've never even had the pleasure of meeting the man.

    Posted by not surprised August 5, 08 01:15 PM
  1. Last November the Red Sox had 4 choices:
    1- they could negotiate an extension of Manny's contract
    2- they could let Manny go to free agency when contract expired
    3- they could exercise the $20m option years
    4- they could do nothing and let Manny hang in the breeze for the '08 season

    they choose #4

    Posted by Jack O'Rourke August 5, 08 01:16 PM
  1. Can't Curt Shilling just leave that stuff "in the club house"? Why does it always have to be "about him"?

    Posted by Jack August 5, 08 01:19 PM
  1. Schilling needs to get a life. The only good thing about him babbling dirt about the Sox is that it keeps him out of politics. And that is A GOOD THING!! Now, if he would give back at least half of the 8 million he's getting for sitting on his butt, then I might listen to him when he talks about ethics. Otherwise, his words are just so much horse puckey.

    Posted by ron August 5, 08 01:21 PM
  1. Does WEEI EVER plan to stop talking about Manny? EVER???

    Posted by Mike August 5, 08 01:22 PM
  1. Love him or hate him, you have to respect the fact that Curt just speaks his mind and is, from what we can tell, pretty open and honest to the fans and the media. I hope to see Curt back here next year. I think he's got a positive impact on this team.

    Posted by Matt P August 5, 08 01:23 PM
  1. So the Sox are paying the Dodgers 7 million to have Manny in their line up making them a better team in the NL West, and they are also paying Curt Schilling 5-8 million to do nothing but talk on a lousy radio show. That's money well spent. Great job Theo!

    Posted by Mill August 5, 08 01:31 PM
  1. It's a shame that such a good player (Manny) was not a team player
    back in 2005 and still isn't today.

    Posted by Ernie August 5, 08 01:36 PM
  1. Hi Curt The Schill,

    I remember when, on October 1, 2005, Manny hit 2 homers against the Yankees Randy Johnson to keep an outside chance open for the Sox to win the division.

    In your expert opinion, who is better fireballer, Seth McClung from the Rays (when they were in last place) or Randy Johnson pitching on the last weekend for a fight for 1st place?

    Thanks

    Posted by sox and money August 5, 08 01:38 PM
  1. Unbelievable. I typically love Curt's honest and untainted opinion, but talking about clubhouse incidents about an ex-teamate when he is out of town has to break the unwritten rules. I also can't understand why he is choosing now to start speaking on others behalf by stating what he is sure his teamates must feel. All this does is create another crappy situation where the media hounds players to find out who secretly hated Manny. Too bad.

    Posted by Losluvssox August 5, 08 01:38 PM
  1. Hi Curt The Schill,

    I remember, on October 1, 2005, Manny hit 2 homers off Yankees Randy Johnson to give the Sox an outside chance at claiming 1st place.

    In your expert opinion, who is a better fireballer, Seth McClung of the Rays (when they were in last place) or Randy Johnson when fighting for 1st place on the last weekend of the season?.

    Thanks

    Posted by sox and money August 5, 08 01:51 PM
  1. Two words-"management"-those who are paid to do this failed miserably with Manny, a sustantial challenge, no doubt, but their jobs didn't get done. "Entertainment"-don't forget what the purpose of the game is. It's not cancer research or the Battle of the Bulge, Curt. Manny was and is an entertainer. Late to the gate tales like this are scarcely constructive.

    Posted by Donald T. Massey August 5, 08 01:55 PM
  1. Well I think I already left a comment but for some reason it's not here??? I used to think that Curt Schilling was as close to a "hero" as a ballplayer can be. Understand, I do not think that ballplayers are heroes. That should be reserved for firemen, soldiers, etc. But come on, the whole bloody sock and everything. But perhaps others have been right about him all along. To come out now and speak against a player who has already left town is pretty low. I don't think Schilling has any idea how the other players for the Red Sox mst feel. Based on the actual comments, and not just those "rumored", they didn't think Manny would go and didn't particularly want him to. Wasn't Big Papi wearing number 24 wrist bands the other night? While I have always argued the Schilling should have the right to his opinions and the right to speak them, this is more like throwing dirt on a former teammate who I am sure had his back many a time in many a game.

    Posted by Elccpa24 August 5, 08 02:09 PM
  1. #2: One man's "dangling in the breeze" is another man's "waiting to see if it is worth exercising the option". Since Ramirez signed the contract that allowed them that luxury, it is he who was in the wrong by acting out against the team. The contract was negotiated, and it was his obligation to honor it.

    I pray to god he only gets a fraction of the money he feels he is owed in free agency. He is no kind of a man.

    And anyone who thinks this whole thing could--or should--have played out any differently with regard to Theo's options and resulting actions is completely deluded.

    Posted by Dave B. August 5, 08 02:10 PM
  1. dear curt,

    please. for the love of god.

    just. SHUT. UP!

    thank you,

    tim

    Posted by timmay!!!!! August 5, 08 02:11 PM
  1. Why doesn't Schilling do what the Sox are paying him to do....keep his trap shut, lose weight and with luck, be gone at the end of the season. He does not know how to keep his mouth shut for someone getting paid to do nothing but lose weight. The next one to go should be Schilling...good riddance you lousy big mouth.

    Posted by Susan August 5, 08 02:15 PM
  1. Why can't this guy just shut the front door and keep his trap shut. He is such an ego-maniac!

    Posted by Mvega$ August 5, 08 02:17 PM
  1. The first comment here is BRILLIANT:

    "no way you can blame manny for wanting to punch schill in the face. i've wanted to do it a handful of times myself and i've never even had the pleasure of meeting the man."

    Posted by Cooper August 5, 08 02:21 PM
  1. Could Curt Schilling please just shut his mouth. He is getting paid $8 million to bad mouth his teammates. I wonder what the atmosphere in the clubhouse will be when he's gone. Delight!!

    Posted by Bubba August 5, 08 02:23 PM
  1. i loved manny but when a player becomes a cancer to his teammates or just tries to get himself out of town as manny did and as nomar did in 2004, they have to go. the team may not be better off without their playing abilities but the team needs them to give their best at all times on the field. if manny had problems with the front office, he should have kept it off the field. I hate to see him go, but i'm glad to see him go. too bad brandon moss and craig hansen got caught up in "mannyworld".

    Posted by dave August 5, 08 02:25 PM
  1. i loved manny but when a player becomes a cancer to his teammates or just tries to get himself out of town as manny did and as nomar did in 2004, they have to go. the team may not be better off without their playing abilities but the team needs them to give their best at all times on the field. if manny had problems with the front office, he should have kept it off the field. I hate to see him go, but i'm glad to see him go. too bad brandon moss and craig hansen got caught up in "mannyworld".

    Posted by dave August 5, 08 02:27 PM
  1. Curt is a hypocrite you have broken all of the rules about being a professional I told my friend as soon as Manny was traded you would come out and bash him like the "Big Mouth" that you are as if your opinion is gold I would of had more respect for you if you would of said this when Manny was with the team but you did not that makes you a coward also I question your leadership because you Curt "The Jerk" Schilling questioned Kobe Bryant leadership at the NBA Finals I thought you went to the game as a fan not a reporter maybe if you had stood up to Manny when he was there and called him out in the public which you have no problem of doing maybe he would still be there some people will remember you for the Bloody Sock but some will remember you for being a jerk just like Manny.

    Posted by Curtsandidiot.com August 5, 08 02:27 PM
  1. GET OVER IT!!!!

    Who has Schilling not had a run-in with, and is anybody suprised that he can't keep his mouth shut about it?

    Posted by Chad August 5, 08 02:29 PM
  1. hey jack o'rourke...tell me how the sox didn't do #2 on your cute little list there?? Hang in the breeze? so every player in MLB that has a contract expiring after the season is hanging in the breeze? under your logic not a single player would actually hit free agency, ever.

    Posted by Dan August 5, 08 02:40 PM
  1. Shillings a jerk. He caters to his audience. I heard him say something on one radiostation and then completely changed his tune on WEEI.

    I wish Shilling and Callahan would get there heads out each others butts.

    Posted by Ex WEEI listener August 5, 08 02:41 PM
  1. hey jack o'rourke...tell me how the sox didn't do #2 on your cute little list there?? I think that this was there intention entirely, until Manny became so destructive that they didn't have a choice.

    and hang in the breeze? so every player in MLB that has a contract expiring after the season is hanging in the breeze? under your logic not a single player would actually hit free agency, ever.

    Posted by Dan August 5, 08 02:42 PM
  1. Why is it that when something happens with the Red Sox, the only one who will comment is Curt?

    Do us all a favor, enjoy the $8Mil and go away.... far far away.

    Posted by NBD August 5, 08 02:43 PM
  1. Curt is a thousand times the human being that Manny is. We had Pedro and Manny for 3 years and they couldn't get us to the World Series. When Curt arrives we win twice in 4 years. The guy is a winner. All of you ripping on Curt or equalling Curt to Manny are clueless. Manny is a selfish p.o.s. I love Curt exposing Manny in this instance b/c Manny's actions (quitting on the team, lying to the FO about being injured) make him totally fair game.

    Posted by Rick V August 5, 08 02:56 PM
  1. Sandra, I highly doubt the Red Sox PR department TOLD Schilling to go on the radio and talk about this incident, especially since it happened three years ago and Curt is probably the next one out the door - along with Varitek, for a whole different reason of course. Curt tends to say whatever he wants, as long as it makes him look good. You can't complain about the results Curt and Manny brought here - two World Series championships - but their mouths leave a lot to be desired, that's for sure. I guess a couple of "idiots" linger on in the wake of Kevin Millar, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Damon and the like being sent packing.

    Posted by Craig August 5, 08 02:59 PM
  1. Curt tells it like he see's it. Nothing wrong with that. Agree/ disagree, who knows? Hey, is he right or wrong in his assessment of a situation, who knows? But at least he speaks up about it.

    If you had Manny telling the story it'd go something like this ... Si Signor I done no-ting wrong ... I gesst wanna make more of greedy gringos pesos while being moocho greedy meselv

    For Manny it was all about the Peso!

    Posted by Mooch August 5, 08 03:16 PM
  1. its just entertainmet ....dont all get wrapped up in this ....they get paid big bucks to play this childs game

    Posted by Steve August 5, 08 03:16 PM
  1. Curt

    Is fat.... I guess I just did what Curt did. Told us something we all already knew. What a jerk! I agree with all of you and the negative comments about fat boy are the best. I've been saying this for a while about this guy, even when he was the king of the mound for the Sox (1 season). He is a self centered Jerk and shouldn't be allowed to speak about baseball in such a great sports city as Boston. WEEI should be ashamed of themselves for letting this idiot talk live on the air... in of all places BOSTON!

    Posted by Al Berc August 5, 08 03:26 PM
  1. I absolutely cannot believe the comments on here that are being thrown at Curt Schilling. No wonder Yankee fans laugh at some of the Red Sox fans, some of you are ignorant beyond belief.

    Have you all forgotten what Schilling meant to this team in 2004 ? If he doesn't pitch like he did on one ankle in Game 6 of the ALCS against the Yankees, guess what ? There is no WS title and no end to "the curse".

    I, for one, find Schilling's honesty and tell it like it is mentality to be very refreshing.

    And I still can't believe some of you are still whining over that overgrown baby, Manny Ramirez. Please enough of your angst about the clod already.

    I've been a lifelong Sox fan but I am embarrassed by some of the so called "Sox fans" that post on blogs like this. You bozos give the real Sox fans a bad name. I've never seen a collection of fans through a great player under the bus so fast. It's ludicrous and it's absurd. But all you show by doing that is your lack of intelligence.

    Some of you "fans" really need to grow up.

    Posted by Gary August 5, 08 03:26 PM
  1. Hey Schilling, cut Manny a break. Dude waved to me at Macy's during a promotion and I wasn't even in line. After Star Spangles blew up in your face you lost the Nation. Don't make Manny your new Pet Cause. He needs some work. He's a great hitter, fickle to a fault, who could hustle more with better results. He loved the fans in a way you don't. We're not your sheep!

    Posted by Mickey August 5, 08 03:35 PM
  1. Why are you guys assuming Manny would have gotten the best of Schilling? As much of a jerk Schilling is, by the way he plays with fire (and Manny doesn't), I would put my money on Schill in a fight. Manny is a big baby - Schilling would demolish him.

    Posted by billmill August 5, 08 03:38 PM
  1. Why are you guys assuming Manny would have gotten the best of Schilling? As much of a jerk Schilling is, by the way he plays with fire (and Manny doesn't), I would put my money on Schill in a fight. Manny is a big baby - Schilling would demolish him.

    Posted by billmill August 5, 08 03:40 PM
  1. What a surprise, more Schilling bashing for telling the truth and all because the state is full of left-wing socialist butt plugs who hate Schilling because he votes Republican and loves a country you losers hate and trash.

    Posted by Tell the truth August 5, 08 03:55 PM
  1. Curt..are you feeling left out...? Awwww.

    Posted by 38 bitches August 5, 08 04:04 PM
  1. WHY DOES CURT KEEPS TALKING!!!! HE IS AN IDIOT!!! WHY DOES HE THINK THAT PEOPLE CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!! STOP TALKING CURT!! NO BODY CARES, YOU ARE NOT EVEN ON THE TEAM!!!

    Posted by ivan August 5, 08 04:14 PM
  1. As soon as Manny left I became a Sox Fan again. I forgot completely that Curt Schilling is still somewhat on the team. Now I hate them again. Please go away Curt, I want to be a fan again. A fan of team players who play baseball and that is it. Anyone want my seats in the state street pavillion on the 12th? I was finally going to go to a game....

    Posted by tony August 5, 08 04:18 PM
  1. How can you crap on Schilling? Just because the guy speaks his mind? He was asked a direct question... Not many guys would have risked what he did back in 2004 for the team.

    This is all Manny's fault. How many other things has he done that have been kept in house? This is all about a 4yr $100M contract that he won't get. He agreed to the 2 yrs of club options 8 years ago but now felt he didn't need to live up to it. How is that not on Manny?

    If you are Sox management, why do you pull the trigger on either option until Nov? You get more production, see if there is a better option, and then go from there. Do you remember all the "goodwill" management got from picking up Pedro's $17M option early? He basically insulted them the day after and eventually bolted for the Mets.

    You Schilling bashers need to get a clue. How can anyone defend Manny at this point?

    Posted by JB August 5, 08 04:20 PM
  1. hey jack o'rourke...tell me how the sox didn't do #2 on your cute little list there?? I think that this was their intention entirely, until Manny became so destructive that they didn't have a choice.

    and hang in the breeze? so every player in MLB that has a contract expiring after the season is hanging in the breeze? under your logic not a single player would actually hit free agency, ever.

    Posted by Dan August 5, 08 04:25 PM
  1. 'Ol Curt puffing himself up again, trying to sound like a hard guy. Please. Curt was a great pitcher, but every time he opens his yap he reminds everyone what a tool he is. Funny that someone was always around when Curt was going to go after Manny. 'Hold me back". I'm glad Manny's gone but I'll be even happier when Schilling takes his act back to wingnutville. Like his best buddies, D & C in the morning, he's all talk.

    Posted by Rob August 5, 08 04:34 PM
  1. Schilling is the man. He's most likely done, but the more I see of these negative posts the more I realize Red Sox nation didn't deserve Schilling.

    Posted by Dan August 5, 08 04:34 PM
  1. How many sick kids did Dennis and Callahan visit in the hospital while they were waiting for their PAYOFF? The only thing worse than Curt Shillin in this town are those cretins on the am radio!

    Posted by hamstrung August 5, 08 04:34 PM
  1. I Love it when some of the tools on these boards say that anybody who says something negative about manny is a bad person... because they talk about him after he left... I, like many Bostonians, liked Manny until he showed us his true character. Everything that happened before could be accounted for... Manny being Manny. When he put himself before the team and got his butt thrown out of town... he showed us what he is made of. Curt Schilling is a champion and a quality guy, he delivered above and beyond, played hurt and took a home town discount when he could have had twice as much guaranteed. Manny is the second (i think) highest paid player is Baseball and he quits on the team. I officially say " Don't come back jackass" to manny..

    Posted by eric NH August 5, 08 04:47 PM
  1. Don't worry!!! The new clubhouse atmosphere will heal Curt's shoulder, allow 'Tek to hit again, and turn Jacoby Ellsbury into Johnny Damon!!! That's what the new clubhouse atmohpshere will do!!!

    Posted by ghgfh August 5, 08 04:48 PM
  1. I bet manny will show up every week if he was paid $8million dollars to talk on a radio station. Please Curt, can't wait till you are no longer around here talking sox.

    Posted by ProvMan August 5, 08 04:51 PM
  1. If Curt had had his way, by now his rehab would be almost complete.

    He would be ready to pitch any day, not to mention tanned, rested, and ready for the postseason.

    Just sayin.

    Posted by Harrybosch August 5, 08 04:51 PM
  1. All you Curt bashers, have you forgotten that this guy helped us win our first world series in 80 years? I can't believe that you hate this guy so much for being outspoken. Relax. Manny is gone, and we will now hear all the things that he did wrong. It is like this in regular life, when someone leaves, you always hear all the stories about the latest "scape goat". Really not a big deal.

    Posted by bmatt August 5, 08 04:57 PM
  1. I love it...I hope more players tell it like it was when Manny I don't want to play Ramirez was here.. Keep it coming boys...

    Posted by deiceratmht August 5, 08 05:00 PM
  1. His first full year in the majors Johnny Damon hit .271 with 5 HR and 25 SB. Ellsbury will be fine.

    Posted by cb August 5, 08 05:02 PM
  1. Curt, Dennis, and Callahan please go hunting with your hero Dick Cheney, oops I thought it had feathers.

    Posted by Alphonse Cappony August 5, 08 05:03 PM
  1. Manny a bad man. Bad man get traded. See Manny hit. Go, Manny, Go! Manny laugh all the way to the bank. Good-bye, Manny.

    Posted by K Rauch August 5, 08 05:04 PM

  1. Yall know Curt has a paid gig to speak to WEEI? It is a contract thing between Curt and WEEi that he speaks on thier station and they pay him money to do so. The money goes to Curts charity, by the way. Funny people banging on Curt for honoring his contract, unlike Manny. Yall need to get real

    Posted by James E Stevenson August 5, 08 05:09 PM
  1. I laugh at people who buy the idea that the Sox management dumped Manny to bolster clubhouse solidarity or some ****. This was a cold, hard business decision on their part, too--let's stop acting as though this was some courageous move. Management could have picked up Manny's options back in spring training and this conversation would be quite a bit different. THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS ANOTHER NOTHING MORE.

    Posted by jSon August 5, 08 05:13 PM
  1. Why would the Red Sox eat 7 million to get their best hitter out of town when they are in a hitting slump? I'll answer it for the DOPES that can't understand.... Manny quit on the team and became a MAJOR distraction. Yes, the team is going to perform better and the sox dont have to waste anymore time dealing with a self-centered jacksss.

    Posted by eric NH August 5, 08 05:14 PM
  1. I laugh at people who buy the idea that the Sox management dumped Manny to bolster clubhouse solidarity or some ****. This was a cold, hard business decision on their part, too--let's stop acting as though this was some courageous move. Management could have picked up Manny's options back in spring training and this conversation would be quite a bit different. THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS ANOTHER NOTHING MORE.

    Posted by jSon August 5, 08 05:20 PM
  1. CS is not even on DL this year, he is out for the seaon and hopefully out for the rest of my life from Red Sox nation. To me he is the most expensive player red sox have ever signed. He took the money for 5 years and only played year and a quarter. Before letting Manny go, they should have made a point that Schiiling can't talk about redsox for the rest of his life. Every body in the industry know How curt schilling is as a team mate. Talk to the guys from Phillies, talk to the guys from Arizona. Talk to RJ. NY did not go for CS as RJ did not want to play with CS.
    Now imagine how good of a team mate he was.

    Posted by Vondo August 5, 08 05:26 PM
  1. It's time for some TIME OUT. Curt has bad-mouthed Manny enough. (no wonder he took a swing at him in 05)....I was worried Manny might bad-mouth the fans in Boston. I'm glad he behaved like an adult in this regard which is more than I can say for Curt right now. Manny being Manny got old real fast, but Curt isn't any different. We're paying him to blog, brag, and gab all while putting his feet up. He spews about being a religious man, and acting righteous, but his actions are screaming something quite the opposite. Way to go, Curt. Teach future generations how to live life as a hypocrite! Enough of the cheap shots already!

    Posted by Marie August 5, 08 05:29 PM
  1. Curt vs Manny - Championships
    Easy... Curt shows up and we the Sox win 2 championships. Manny the dope can swing-away in the batter’s box... but when it comes to being a leader - forget about it.
    Curt vs Manny - Charitable and Family
    Everything Curt Schilling does off the field has some element of charity and family associated with it. Everything Manny does off the field has his wife ready to dump him.
    Manny is a joke.....
    Schilling is a Role Model

    Posted by eric NH August 5, 08 05:30 PM
  1. #83
    Are you from South Boston?

    Posted by George Goodwin August 5, 08 05:40 PM
  1. Curt Schilling is the real joke here; why is he saying all these things to make himself look better, right after Manny gets traded to the Dodgers? Seems like a real gentleman would've said it to Manny's face (or not at all, come to think of it) instead of waiting until his face was way out of striking distance. The bloody sock was 4 seasons ago! Get off your high horse, why don't you?

    Posted by auggie21 August 5, 08 06:20 PM
  1. You people don't understand anything about baseball!

    Posted by Joe K. August 5, 08 06:27 PM
  1. OMG! Schilling a role model? He's as self serving as Manny. NOTHING he does is for others. It's all about Curt. Stop thinking he's so wonderful. He's a politician in training. He's still living in the past. Shut up and move on already.

    As far as I can tell, he stole $8 million from us this year. He's no better than Manny quitting on us. He just tries to hide it better. Typical pathetic republican. He needs to move his a$$ back to Arizona where someone will actually vote for him.

    Posted by SoxFaninCali August 5, 08 06:28 PM
  1. Say what you want about schill....yes he loves to talk but he played hurt, helped younger pitchers...manny flat out was a cancer..........

    Posted by GD August 5, 08 06:52 PM
  1. you jackasses The sock was food coloring and 2004 was a fluke. and schilling is a piece shit. It's nice you jackasses are finally starting to figure it out.

    Posted by charles lane August 5, 08 07:01 PM
  1. Two thoughts:

    This is not the first slugger Curt has slammed in public. He said some stuff about Barry Bonds. While he was correct on Barry, he should keep his mouth shut.

    But, then again, Cur has never met a microphone that he'll refuse to talk to.

    Posted by sjcres August 5, 08 07:16 PM
  1. At least Manny didn't defraud the Red Sox out of millions of dollars.

    Posted by Kevin August 5, 08 07:36 PM
  1. Wow!! You are a sad man Eric NH. Curt Schilling a role model!!!hahahaha.!! That is funny!! Look at Manny's numbers in the playoffs and his career. He is a Hall of Famer and Curt is not. He made the lineup ten times better. Listen to Ortiz without Manny. We do not need Schilling, but we Need someone like Manny. See how many people like manny throughout the league and see how many like Curt. Curt loves to talk about things that does not even have to do with him. Like I said, Curt is an IDIOT!!!!

    Posted by ivan August 5, 08 07:44 PM
  1. scre8 all you fair weather fans who like to forget curt schilling brought us two world championships, and did a heck of a lot more then manny ever did. Keep talkin schill. evidently people dont like men who speak and act with honor, theyd rather kiss mannys a** , and think he did nothing wrong when in fact manny disgraced baseball and spat atthe fans of boston. all curt ever did was promise to win a world series andhe did, and oh um..Nick? curt never webnt againstthe red sox orders you meathead, get it right curt wnated to have surgeery fromthe start and the red sox told him no, he had to rehab instead, then rehab failed and now curt had surgery. so get your facts straight.
    and manny did treat us all bad you morons he said oh i love the fansof boston but i wish they wouldnt bother me. , umm hey manny sorry to botrher you. you loser. Schilling just happens to have one of the best postseason pitching records of all time. he can say whatever he want, he never walked away from agame or a chellenge like manny did. i hope all you manny freaks becaome LA fans and go to La La land with manny.

    Posted by steveh August 5, 08 07:48 PM
  1. I have never seen a post as utterly stupid as the one by jack o'rourke at #30, i mean please you must be the dumbest person ever to hit these forums.
    so the red sox could just negotiate an extension of mannys contract? even though they already had him for two more years? umm hello? how much did you want to give manny ? he is looking for 30+ mil a year for a guy on his way to 40? yep you are dumb.
    they could pick up his optons? dont you get it MANNY DID NOT WANT THEM TO PICK UP HIS OPTIONS! how do you pick up the options of a man who refuses to play for you?
    they could let manny go to free agency at the end of the year? umm yeah that was the plan , so instead they got a playe for him and got him out of our division. you are just appaling.
    or they could let manny hang in the breeze? i guess hanging int he breeze means collecting a 20 million dolar a year paycheck , while you asault old men, assault your temamates, refuse to play, sit out against tough pitchers and refuse to swing when your asked to pitch hit. that hanging in the breeze? wow, please seek help for that habit you have, crack isnt good for you.

    Posted by steveh August 5, 08 08:02 PM
  1. one final thing, for all you manny butt swabs who say curt shouldve said it to mannys face? HE DID THATS WHATS HE IS TELLING YOU ABOUT THE TIME HE SAID IT TO MANNYS FACE! DUH! Wow what abunch of unknowledgable suppose fans, and to kevin who said manny never defrauded the red sox? umm what would you call not living up to the contractual obligations he signed? or throwing games, or refusing to play or lying about his health? do you people even think before you type?

    Posted by steveh August 5, 08 08:15 PM
  1. hey ivan.. you are hilarious , so manny is a role model because he is going to the hall of fame? I hope you are not a parent. or woe be your children. and lets see you say curt should talk about stuff that has to do with him? HE DID THIS IS ABOUT CURT SCHILLINGS RUN IN WITH MANNY how much more to do with curt could it be?
    seriously i dont understand why people think manny ramirez who has never done a damn thing for anyone except himself, fails to live up to his contractual obligations, refuses to play making his teammates and fans look like crap. assaults old men, and somehow he is a better man than curt schilling who has given millions to charity, refuses to lie, belives in family values, and even started a company here in massachusetts . you tell me why you people are so messed up. i sure as heck dont know.

    Posted by steveh August 5, 08 08:23 PM
  1. Transcripst from Curt on D & C.

    Curt: "So there I was, face to face with Manny....you should have seen me guys. But Big Papi stepped in and saved Manny from my righteous anger. I'm a warrior!"

    Callahan: "That's awesome Curt. I got beat up once for cheating in pickup basketball. Nobody stepped in. I still like to talk tough on the radio though."

    Dennis: "That's funny, I got my a$$ beat for calling some liberal negro "boy". Now I only say things like that when I'm on the golf course where it's safe."

    Callahan: "Manny was a "boy" too. He's really gone, right Curt?"

    Curt: "Yeah, you're safe Gerry. I was all set to manhandle him, like my hero GW Bush, but Papi stepped in and saved him. That plus the fact that I pissed myself."

    Dennis: "Curt, you're a real patriot. I can't decide who I'd rather shoot skeet with, you or Bush?'.

    Callahan: "That's a tough one. I'm a Cheney guy myself."

    Curt: " I wish Dick would run for president. But Vote McCain, and send more money to my charity!"

    Posted by Rob August 5, 08 08:42 PM
  1. You are all a bunch of idiots and need to get a life. There are much more important things going on in the world than Curt and Manny.

    Posted by Getaclue August 5, 08 10:58 PM
  1. Can we stuff that bloody sock in Curt's mouth?

    Posted by Dan from Lynn August 5, 08 11:09 PM
  1. Shilling gave his all to the Red Sox, like him or not. Manny was never, never a Red Sox at heart. We all wanted Manny to be a Bird but he doesn't play with a fever. He wants to colect his $20 million and live in la la land. The Sox are much better without Manny than with him.
    Give Shilling his due- he says what he feels. What does Manny feel????
    Only team players make it in Boston! Team is what Boston is all about and always has been.

    Posted by Bob M ilton August 5, 08 11:28 PM
  1. So now (according to Boston Globe), Manny is a granddad beating ,incompetent, lazy , thin-skinned, crazed maniac who'm we should be eternally grateful has moved forever from New England. What utter nonsense.....

    Enough with the rigged stories and the calculated hand-wringing, please.

    The Globe journalists have ENGINEERED Manny's departure.
    The Manny-being Manny image was a globe media creation.
    After schilling was gone , Globe journalists went to the next best target: Manny.
    Who is Manny Ramirez?
    Manny is a non-verbal, immigrant of very poor background who because of a special talent has become an incredibly wealthy person whose value to any team should be self-evident.Any easy target for literate Globe writers.

    The EDES article is all smoke and mirrors to distract us from the fact the journalists hand in running Manny out of town.

    Very surprised that Sox FO fell for it...
    The Globe prints stories they want us to hear. Not the full picture.

    Big difference with the Nomar story was that Nomar was a hero to the local press boys, he was cool, literate etc... When the FO made a calculated decision to trade him, the press was as surprised as anyone else. The fact that it was a cold calculated decision eventually lead to it being the best FO move in decades.This move is a rush-job based on journalists envy of a poor immigrant who made it rich in the big leagues..... .

    Bay is a good player . But Manny is a 1st ballot Hofer and largely responsible for the 2 WS rings we now have....He is not a violent maniac but rather a simple person who is as much a victim of his own success as any example I can think of...


    Posted by Pierre Pages August 6, 08 02:43 AM
  1. The time came when "D.P. being D.P. , Jacoby being Jacoby, Lowell being Lowell, Casey being Casey, Coco being Coco, Papi being Papi, Tek being Tek, Cora being Cora, Yoooouuuk being Yooouuuk, etc." meant that there was too much other talent on the team to continue dealing with "Manny being Manny." I have mad love for Manny Ramirez and what he contributed to the team for the past 7-plus years. There is no question that he was ESSENTIAL to the Sox lineup in winning the '04 and '07 World Series. He had his age and contract to consider, plus an agent who would not have made a cent if the Sox took up his option years. I think the trade was in the best interests of both sides. Let's not forget what happened the year beloved Garciaparra was traded. 2004. Remember? There was a parade. Jason Bay is a GREAT fit for the Sox. Above all, I trust Theo, Terry, Henry and Larry. They are and have been the conductors of this great orchestra, right?

    Posted by SteelKajeStrongBox August 6, 08 04:04 AM
  1. The real problem is the clown manager who looks like a mental patient in the dugout is so incompetent. He should just get it over with and wear a cheerleaders outfit because that is all he is , a bad manager from phila. Any strong manager would have sat Manny down and made him understand that everything he does affects the amount of cash he gets the next few years and if that did not get thru his skull, bench him until it did........giving the dodgers 7 mill , manny for free , and lose two prospects because is a joke. Francoma could only win if he has much the best team with a very high payroll.......luckiest guy in baseball, completely blows it the first time he has a real problem with a player.

    Posted by hawk hoisington August 6, 08 08:41 AM
  1. Manny is a QUITTER ALL players should be disgusted with his act but they are to much of a bunch of sissies to speak up up sox do not win in 04 without Curt. pedro Mo Nomar Manny all selfish jerks glad every one of them is gone Maybe some folks would rather listen to Clemens lie I will take Curt any day over the above mentioned 5 Bob

    Posted by Bob Hicks August 6, 08 02:09 PM
  1. WOW. I am surprised to hear so many people ripping Curt apart. I gather you all must be yankee fans. Is what Curt has done for us over the past years so easily forgotten?
    Did Schilling ever sit out when needed? NO. Did Schilling ever try to lose a game
    because he was unhappy? NO
    Manny was a bum I am glad that he is gone and I wish Schilling the best unlike the rest of you TRAITORS.
    Go to New York where you belong!
    And let's forget about Manny already OKAY!!

    Posted by Izzy Hope August 6, 08 04:47 PM
  1. fat boy needs to keep his fat mouth shut. atleast when manny talked it was funny and completely out of nowhere. schilling is such a freaking phony-ass dork. how are those notebooks coming. what a douche.

    Posted by go manny August 6, 08 05:14 PM
  1. Dude Schilling is so annoying, all he does is suck-up to the nation. Manny should of knocked you out big mouth.

    Posted by bagooo August 6, 08 06:36 PM
  1. In a year or two the Harvard School of Business will come out with a case study of the Boston Red Sox and how it has been totally mismanaged. In any given business where the General Manager / COO gives away an asset worth $9million dollars ( Manny's salary plus Bay's salary), purchases the services of medically unfit individual for another $8 million (Schilling's salary) with no out clause, loses another $14 million on an over-compensated short stop, and is on the verge of losing another $8million on the current short stop, one must look at how this team is managed. Manny's situation was completely mishandle by Red Sox upper management. Schilling should have never been given a guaranteed salary without performance provisions. Renteria should never have been signed and to add insult to injury, we ate the remaining part of his salary. These circumstances are the direct result of continuing wrong decisions being made by upper management. WEEI and it's talk show host are so controlled by Red Sox management that they cannot see they have become the voice of a slanted opinion. Management needs to do a better job. The team, as it stands now, is more than likely not going to make the playoffs this year, as evident in the recent losses to winning teams and their struggles to beat teams that are playing sub 500 ball. Someone needs to be accountable for all the millions that have been thrown away on bad contracts and player mismanagement. You can not keep raising ticket prices to off-set bad management decisions. Sooner or later Fenway Park will have attendance problems equal to Tampa Bay or Baltimore. Maybe empty seats at Fenway is what it will take for senior management to realize that their continued mistakes have resulted in the down fall of the Red Sox. Is it time to eat Theo's contract and let him go?

    Posted by Joe August 6, 08 09:54 PM
  1. I love the Anti-Schill posts from some of you idiots on here. You bash Schill and defend Manny? Hilarious

    Manny: bad knee, doesnt play against yankees. MRI says knees are fine

    Schilling: stitches tendons to ankle so he can pitch and beat Yankees

    Yeah...screw you Schill. You are a joke! Stop picking on Manny. He is the true role model.

    Get a clue!

    Posted by Mike August 7, 08 03:35 AM
  1. Oh.....just read the post about Curts sock being food coloring and not blood. Hey guys...stay away from food coloring...apparently it makes you have to have surgery afterwards....I imagine Curt faked the surgery in the offseason and the scars on his ankle...yeah ...charles lane...please tell me you have no reporduced and if you have get fixed and get fixed right away

    Posted by Mike August 7, 08 03:39 AM
  1. Steve, Just so you know, he's firing back at the media. Maybe you should change the headline to reflect that. "Manny fires back at Boston media." Remember, the media doesn't represent how the fans feel. Never has, never will. I realize you guys are bored, with nothing to write about until Wednesday, but please let it (Manny anything) go.

    Posted by Matt September 30, 08 11:53 AM
  1. Hi all. Calamities are of two kinds: misfortunes to ourselves, and good fortune to others.
    I am from Iraq and too bad know English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Cheap airfares hotels car rentals cruises vacations answers travel deals travel blogs."

    With love :), Oriana.

    Posted by Oriana April 5, 09 12:29 AM
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