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Papi opens up on Manny, the MVP, and more

Posted by Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff November 12, 2008 12:02 PM

Red Sox slugger David Ortiz spoke on a number of topics, including Manny Ramirez's rift with Red Sox ownership, the role of the media in Boston, and why Dustin Pedroia is his Most Valuable Player pick, during an interview with WEEI's "Dennis and Callahan" show this morning.

Big Papi, who was promoting the inaugural David Ortiz Celebrity Golf Classic, which will take place in the Dominican Republic next month, was asked to chose between MVP candidates Kevin Youkilis and Pedroia. He gave the nod to the Gold Glove-winning second baseman.

"If I can only pick one, I gotta give it to Pedroia," Ortiz said. "He did something that . . . it's just not normal. The guy carried this team for, I would say, since Day 1 all the way to the end . . . With Pedroia, it was day in and day out, putting this team on his back and made sure that his teammates were ready to go, too. I never saw anything like that before.

"Youk did pretty much exactly the same thing, cool off at one point and then he picked it up again, but Pedroia was hot the whole year."

Ortiz was asked about his comments yesterday that the Sox need another 30-home run hitter and where that yet-to-be acquired slugger might play.

"I'll tell you one thing, if you get the opportunity to get a guy that can hit 30 homers and get 100 RBI, I bet you will find a position for him, guarantee," said Ortiz. "I don't know . . . it can be in the outfield, it can be anywhere. As long as you provide guys that put up numbers like, let's say Manny did, we're gonna be [a contender] . . . we're talking about a third guy [in addition to himself and Jason Bay]."

Though Ortiz didn't confirm that he was specifically hoping the Red Sox would pursue free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira, he said the addition of another big bat is necessary because the competition is so tough within the division.

"We have a lot of big salaries coming out this year and we are definitely a contender in the American League East. We know that we have to compete next year and it's because New York is going to get stronger, everybody saw already what Tampa Bay is capable [of doing], those guys are going to come in next year with more experience," Ortiz said. "The Blue Jays, they had great pitching this year, they gave us a tough time, and you never know what's going to happen with the rest of the American League, so you definitely need to get stronger to [be ready to compete] next season."

Ortiz also shed some light on Ramirez's final days in Boston and his change of attitude with the media last season.

"The Manny situation was a tough situation for the team, for us the teammates, for him as a player," Ortiz said. "He was trying to get to be out, everybody knows, it's not news, for the past few years and it was something that it was getting worse and worse and worse every year. Last year [in the beginning] was one of those years that he just chill out and went to his business and pull himself together, it was a lot of talking.

"I myself, pretty much every year, have to kind of deal with that because me and Manny, we're pretty close, and it got to the point where I had to come down and talk to him because we were going through a good situation and you don't want to put the situation in a [bad] spot, everything just goes down. We were playing good. We were a pretty good contender in the American League East, and you just don't want to change the whole thing, just knowing that you are the cleanup hitter, the best hitter in the game, and people look at you like, 'Well what's going on with this guy?,' so, it was a lot of talking pretty much I encouraged Manny to talk to the media, make you guys job easy and it's because you guys are the ones to let people know what's going on, what's happening with us in the clubhouse and everything, and he definitely agreed with me and started pretty much talking to everybody. Getting along.

"Everything started one day that I told Manny, 'Hey look, look at the numbers that you have put up your whole career, and you have never been able to win an MVP, there's a reason why'. And the media is our family. The media, sometimes you gonna find one or two guys that they're gonna screw things up, try to get people's attention writing bad things, but not everybody's the same way. You gotta understand that and you can blame everybody for somebody that just makes a mistake. It doesn't work like that . . . pull yourself together and start getting connected with the media because that's how you express your feelings and people get to know more and Manny's good things, that people don't know about Manny. And he agreed with me."

Ortiz was asked if he believed Manny quit on him and his teammates last season.

"Well, to tell you the truth, it was something going down between the Red Sox and Manny Ramirez that I can never really break that down for you because there's some personal reasons that he has with our owners and I never got to the bottom of it, and [he's] got his feelings, you know, Manny was, he got to the point that he really wanted to get to play for someone else.

"I'll tell you one thing, I'm the kind of guy that I look at the positive side of everything and Manny, I get to learn a lot of things from Manny. Manny's one of the guys that worked hard every day to have some really good performances out there, and I never saw Manny not getting prepared to play. . . now he wasn't happy here, everybody knows that. And when a relationship get to the point, you gotta make a move just like we did, and you go from there."

Ortiz was asked if he thought the Red Sox would have repeated as World Series champs had Manny stayed in Boston and played hard for the remainder of the season. "Probably," replied Ortiz. "I'm not going to lie to you, probably."

Ortiz, who is currently resting his injured right wrist, anticipates being able to pick up a bat in December if all goes well.

"By the end of next month, I'll be able to start swinging again and feel better," he said.

Listen to the entire interview with David Ortiz on WEEI here.

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37 comments so far...
  1. God bless you Papi. Thanks for all of your great years and hope next year is your best.

    Posted by Chad in Vermont November 12, 08 12:43 PM
  1. I've been fortunate to have had a couple of encounters with Big Papi and he is nothing but CLASS all the way. My son, wife and I had our picture taken with David the same night that he hit his 50th a couple of years ago at Fenway because he and the Red Sox were raising money for a cancer stricken little girl in the hospital. The way that Big Papi interacted with my son (who was 10 at the time) made a lifetime memory for him and my family. The next season we were able to obtain his autograph on a ball at the side of the Red Sox dugout in Toronto. AGAIN the man was first class all the way.

    My hope is that David is not run out of Boston at the end of his career like so many other stars have been, after all this man helped in bringing us two, count them TWO championships. God bless you David and I hope your wrist is better next season and you get back to raking like you always have!

    Posted by P. Casey & Family November 12, 08 01:15 PM
  1. I agree. It's tough to have more than one player having career years on the same team at the same time. Dustin and Youk were studs this year. Next year I would like to see less home runs and more back to back to back Base Hits in an inning. Our hitters are good enough to cherry pick the long ball but make a living on singles and doubles. Forever a Red Sox fan.
    Paul W, El Cajon California

    Posted by Paul Wheeler November 12, 08 01:19 PM
  1. I love this guy, he has that outlook that everyone should have.

    Posted by Kate November 12, 08 01:19 PM
  1. I will have to try to listen to what he said about Manny.
    I have read it three times and I have not idea what he is trying to say.

    Not that I am against adding another power hitter. But as for the 30 home run hitter. Youkilis had 29 last year, I don't think it is a stretch he can hit over 30 next year. Between Ortiz, Bay and Youkilis is not bad power -

    Posted by tony November 12, 08 01:21 PM
  1. Ortiz just wants another big bat to protect him in the lineup. When Manny left and all throuout the playoffs, Ortiz was nothing close to the hitter he was when he had Manny hitting behind him because he's not getting those fastballs anymore. Youkilis had a good year, but when it comes down to it I would much rather face him than Ortiz. Ortiz knows he needs another big bat behind him or else he better pray he gets lucky and gets a hanger every once in a while.

    Posted by Chris from New Jersey November 12, 08 01:25 PM
  1. Gotta love Papi, to everyone hating on him in other articles, this guy will be a beast next year, mark my words.

    Posted by Mike November 12, 08 01:31 PM
  1. I don't think there was much difference with Papi's performance before Manny left and after Manny left. I think he just had an off year, struggling with the wrist.

    Posted by Jim___k November 12, 08 01:34 PM
  1. Manny is the real thing because he worked hard during the off season each year to stay on top of his game and in good shape .. Big Papi, are you doing the same ?

    Posted by Vic in Houston November 12, 08 01:37 PM
  1. Chris from New Jersey leave your comments on the Turnpike.....there's a reason there is no baseball team in the Garden State. The guy was playing with a bum knee and wrist yet did not complain once. He had a down year because he was hurt, unlike most other players that whine and cry and take WEEKS off(DL DREW). Who wouldn't want Texeria in their line up? Loook at all the other teams in the AL East, they are stacked. I hope he hits 40 home runs this year, you ungrateful fairweather fan.

    Posted by James from Charlestown November 12, 08 01:51 PM
  1. David Ortiz is the most overrated player in recent baseball. He is a product of having the best hitter in the league batting behind him. He is an OK player who has huge numbers because of the pitching he saw with Manny behind him. He is saying they need another power bat because he needs someone to protect him, like Manny did.

    Posted by Jeff November 12, 08 01:56 PM
  1. The players the Red Sox "ran out of town" are the equivalent to a 20+ year old Mecedes Benz, with 200,000+ miles, dents, faded paint, rust holes, limping along on half the cylinders, tore up interior, with the headliner hanging down, that the owner wants $50,000 for. Over-priced & well past its prime.

    Posted by JT November 12, 08 02:04 PM
  1. In my opinion, the problem isn't with the heart of the order - it's with the bottom of the order. Varitek and Lugo (and then Lowrie later in the season) were automatic outs every time they came up. Lowrie started off great, but he was overmatched in the postseason.

    With the quality of the pitching in the AL East going up and up and up with the ascention of the Rays, we've GOT to get more production out of the lineup from 1-9. It all starts with V-tek. I'm sorry, but the dude has GOT to go. We need a catcher who can at LEAST hold his own. I'm not even talking .300 - I'm talking high .200s. That's not V-tek anymore. We could deal with V-tek if we weren't also trying to bring along Lowrie AND Ellsbury, who both fell apart at the end - but with those two AND V-tek, you've got no shot at winning a high scoring game.

    Posted by J.P. November 12, 08 02:05 PM
  1. Man, I love that guy.

    So much respect for Big Papi.

    Posted by JD November 12, 08 02:14 PM
  1. God forbid I ever become a red sox fan first of all James, and second everybody plays through injuries every year. They play 162 games after all, but it is a fact that Ortiz's numbers significantly dropped after Manny left. He is nothing like he was with Manny, thats why he wanted him so despeartely to stay. That and the fact he is the only one who coan understand a word he says. Just look at his numbers in Minnesota before he came to the Sox. He was an average hitter with good power and now that Manny is gone that's all he'll ever be.

    Posted by Chris from New Jersey November 12, 08 02:51 PM
  1. God forbid I ever become a red sox fan first of all James, and second everybody plays through injuries every year. They play 162 games after all, but it is a fact that Ortiz's numbers significantly dropped after Manny left. He is nothing like he was with Manny, thats why he wanted him so despeartely to stay. That and the fact he is the only one who coan understand a word he says. Just look at his numbers in Minnesota before he came to the Sox. He was an average hitter with good power and now that Manny is gone that's all he'll ever be.

    Posted by Chris from New Jersey November 12, 08 02:59 PM
  1. Papi said what he could about the Manny situation. Obviously manny had been promised some things that never materialized. The Red Sox thought the time was right to " go Nomar " on him and discredit him any way they could. Papi was right the Sox would have won it all with Manny.

    Posted by j waite November 12, 08 03:24 PM
  1. Let's see, Manny was traded on July 31. Let's take a look at the numbers. David Ortiz's stats on August 1st: .261 average, .843 OPS, .356 OBP, .487 slugging.

    David Ortiz's final stats for the full season: .264 average, .877 OPS, .369 OBP, .507 slugging.

    Hmm. Seems they all went up from where they were on August 1, as opposed to "dropping significantly". What was that you were saying, Chris from NJ?

    Posted by Rico November 12, 08 03:51 PM
  1. Ortiz may be a great guy, no question. The truth is the player you want to see will most likely never return. His bat speed is down and is very out of shape. He will have to adjust his game to put up good numbers again. When he says the Sox would have won with Manny, he is deflecting the truth. If Ortiz had any kind of a decent post season, the Sox would have won. Truth sometimes is hard to accept especially when you root for someone as gifted as Ortiz once was. He will continue to slide and will point fingers elsewhere besides himself. The Sox came within a game of getting back to the Series with virtually no production from Papi and an injured Lowell. Replace Papi with a solid bat and the Sox get back as long as the pitching performs. Sorry....great guy, but Sox should really try and move him. To many of you see the old Ortiz, not the current version.

    Posted by Bill November 12, 08 03:56 PM
  1. Well obviously the loss of Manny's numbers has to impact a lineup, but I think Ortiz' problems this year were more the result of a snapped tendon sheath in his wrist. I'm no doctor, but I would think that would reduce your ability to hit. As far as Minnesota, they didn't recognize his power ability and told him to hit singles - when he came to Boston he was free to swing hard, and if he was late on a pitch it would just go over the left-field wall. Not to mention Papa Jack's hitting instruction... So it's too easy to say Manny is the reason for Papi's slump, reality's not that simple.

    Posted by DuhChief November 12, 08 04:12 PM
  1. Chris from NJ - How do you explain Ortiz's horrible beginning to this season? He was hitting under .100 at one point. Yet, Manny's big bat was behind him. And Ortiz returned from his injury around the same time Manny left. His injury caused his bat to somewhat disappear, not Manny. Even he said that his injury forced him to develop some bad habits that affected his swing.

    Posted by Jess November 12, 08 04:23 PM
  1. He's my Papi!!

    Posted by David November 12, 08 04:47 PM
  1. Hey Jersey Jerk,
    Ortiz
    March thru July 226 ABs - 12 HRs - 47 RBIs - .274 avg
    Aug thru Oct 183 ABs - 18 HRs - 42 RBIs - .262 avg

    I prefer the post Manny numbers myself

    Posted by Sean November 12, 08 04:55 PM
  1. hey tony, how you gonna compare yhe youk, bay and ortiz to manny.
    none of this guys are even close to the haqll of fame.
    manny can retire today and go right in. please, don't insult this man.
    all he did was help red sox win two rings.

    Posted by lui November 12, 08 04:56 PM
  1. after reading this I am embarrassed to say that I am a Red Sox fan. You people don't deserve a winner.

    Posted by Sean November 12, 08 04:59 PM
  1. Rico his numbers went up because your looking at a 2 month span. all he had to do was have a great week, which he did, and his numbers look good for those two months. His post season numbers were awful, and you can go ahead and look that up too if you want. Coming from a non-red sox fan by any means, the red sox would have won the world series in easy fshion if "big papi" would have even put up Jason Veritek's numbers. You sawx fans need to realize what Ortiz realized when they traded manny, he is an average player who was lucky enough to get in a good situation.I agree with Chris from NJ, just look at his numbers in Minnesota.

    Posted by Sam L. November 12, 08 04:59 PM
  1. Papi hit 330 in 2007, how quickly we forget. Obviously injuries played a part in his lack luster season. Just as injuries have played a part in hundreds of thousands of other players having sub par seasons through the years. It happens! YOU DON'T WRITE OFF A GUY ONE YEAR AFTER HE BATS 330. Also I don't have to remind you that Manny didn't play for the final month of the 2006 season when Big Papi was the most clutch player in baseball. Coming up with big hit after after big hit without Manny.

    I am a Yankees fan who hates the Sox and hopes Big Papi breaks his leg Adalius Thomas style. What I hate even worse is people who don't make sense.

    Posted by LouieTheLip November 12, 08 05:18 PM
  1. Big Papi's numbers may decline from here on in. Lets face it....the dudes is big....Mo Vaughn big. I love him and all, but we need to start thinking post Papi era. Lars Anderson should be groomed as his replacement. We got Papi for a couple of more years. I dont think we should trade him, but I also dont think an extension is in order. As for his coment about wanting another 30+ homerun hitter on the club, who wouldnt. I would love to have Tex on this club.

    Posted by Shawn from NH November 12, 08 06:46 PM
  1. Mike - "Ortiz is going to be a beast next year"
    Keep dreaming! This guy is washed-up.

    Posted by bbBB November 12, 08 09:34 PM
  1. You people bashing Ortiz DO realize that in the years 03, 04 and half way through 05, Ortiz batted 4th, and Manny was 3rd? Ortiz had Nixon hitting behind him during that time. For the love of god the guy had an off year because of an injury. QUIT BASHING ORTIZ!!!!

    Posted by Seth November 12, 08 09:36 PM
  1. If Papi goes 0 for the rest of his career, he's still "The Man"........

    Posted by imjustsaying November 12, 08 10:47 PM
  1. PAPI PAPI PAPI

    Posted by I was there for game 7, 2004 November 13, 08 01:43 AM
  1. I love Big Papi, one of the nicest guys in the game. To fans, to the team, to kids, God bless you, you are a great human being - more people should be like you.
    How quickly we forget that this man has hit something like 13 walk off's, in his time with Boston, some of those walk off's were very key.
    League leading, NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THIS BEFORE!
    On any team, at any time.
    He had a bad year with knee and wrist.
    You are all ready to throw him under the bus, because he had 1 bad year.
    Papi, I hope you comeback in 09 and kick butt.
    Make everyone of these idiots eat their words.

    Posted by Linda C November 13, 08 08:46 AM
  1. Hey,

    "YOU DON'T WRITE OFF A GUY ONE YEAR AFTER HE BATS 330.". Well, when stricter drug testing is in place and many players tail off at the same exact time, then you have to think about writing off a bunch of 30 somthings, like we used to do in the 80's and early 90's. 330 was a fluke, as his lifetime average is will below that.

    He had his streak in Boston and now he is on the other end of that. No more 55 HR seasons. 25HR is more realistic moving forward.

    Posted by Tomen8r November 13, 08 09:31 AM
  1. Does anyone remember in 2004 Manny was not protecting him because he was batting cleanup. Look at the highlights of all those walkoff hits in playoffs. Manny was on base most of the time including 2R HR in game 7 ALCS 1st inning.

    Posted by Gerry57 November 13, 08 11:46 AM
  1. Sam L.: Chris from NJ stated that "Ortiz's numbers significantly dropped after Manny left". I demonstrated that they did not, they actually went up slightly. Which, last time I looked into the matter, was actually the opposite of "significantly dropped". Which part of this is difficult to grasp?

    Posted by Rico November 13, 08 04:58 PM
  1. ORTIZ!!!! YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT!!
    iF MANNY WAS REALLY YOUR FRIEND YOU SHOULDN'T GO PUBLIC WITH YOUR PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH HIM!!!!
    BUT SINCE U DID SHIT AND HE IS BETTER THAN YOU YOU HAVE TO USE HIS NAME TO BE IN THE PRESS!!!!
    YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF TO BE CALLED HIS FRIEND!!!!!!!

    Posted by pedro November 16, 08 08:14 PM
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