Sox sign reliever Saito
The Red Sox have signed free-agent reliever Takashi Saito to a one-year contract with a team option for 2010, the Globe's Adam Kilgore learned earlier today. The Sox officially announced the signing in a press release this afternoon.
The deal includes a guarantee between $1.5 million and $2.5 million, according to FOXsports.com's Ken Rosenthal. Saito will have the chance to earn more than $7 million if he reaches all of his incentives. Rosenthal reports that Saito has already passed his physical.
The 39-year-old Saito spent parts of the last three seasons as the Dodgers closer, saving 39 games for Los Angeles in 2007. The righthander missed significant time last season with a sprained ligament in his elbow, and the Dodgers did not offer him a contract for 2009, making him a free agent. With Jonathan Papelbon cemented in the closer's role for the Sox, Saito figures to be a mid-to-late inning reliever in Boston.
The Globe's Nick Cafardo had this bit on Saito in last week's baseball notes:
The Red Sox made an offer to the former Dodgers closer earlier this winter. Saito has battled elbow issues, but the feeling of teams whose doctors have reviewed Saito's medical records is that he might be able to pitch, though not as a closer. While Saito, who will be 39 Feb. 14, won't be in demand, he might warrant a spring training invitation. Saito missed about two months for the Dodgers and was diagnosed with a partially torn tendon in his elbow, but he took an experimental injection instead of opting for Tommy John surgery and was able to make six appearances in September.



Who's next? TOMMY JOHN????
Ugh.... The Sox keep signing injured players. I think we have enough washed up, character players, those who are only part-timers. Compared to the offensive upgrades the rest of the AL East have done, the Sox offense is in trouble. They barely clicked after Manny left, Ortiz continues his historic fall from grace, Youk and Pedroia can't duplicate last year, Lowell is hurt/old, Ellsbury is a .260 hitter, JD is a part-timer as well, and we have no shortstop and catcher.
The Sox can acquire all the has-beens they want, but none of them improvet their relatively weak offense. IF the Rays don't falter, which they shouldn't, then the Sox will be going for 3rd or 4th in the division.
The Sox enter 2009 with a good (not great) starting staff, good (not great) bullpen, and average offense. I love the Sox, but this will be a long year, perhaps even ending the streak of sell-outs in August or September (which I really want, allowing real fans the opportunity to once again attend games.).
The 2009 path is now paved. It is cleared. Let's see what lies ahead for us.
Hmm, maybe Dice-K only has to go 5 innings this year. By the end of the year we could have this combo to end the game - Masterson, Saito, Smoltz and Papelbon. Sweet!
Nice signing...Do we get Mr. Fuji and the smelling salts as well?
Uhhh, 39 year old closer???????????? with elbow issues.
And the Sox want him why???????
How many pitchers with sore arms are the Red Sox signing this off season? This must be the record!
I saw Theo today. He was at the state landfill sifting through garbage looking for diamonds. He said it is his favorite low risk, high reward activity outside of baseball.
I like what the sox are doing here! Our pitching is matching up well with the Yanks and Rays if these recent signings come through and perform the way they are capable of doing. Just find a big righthanded bat and get V-Tek back at reasonable price and the sox management will have done a great job without breaking the bank!
OMG--it doesn't get any better than this offseason. I'll bet the orthopedic surgeons are already counting their blessings and good fortune! This is simply another pathetic run at spare parts. Theo and Henry what a combination. Cheap, cheap, and cheap. Go REHABILITATION NATION!!!!!
Does this mean the Red Sox trainer is going to receive overtime pay?
Another old, broken down pitcher!
What's with all the low risk reclaimation projects? Are these the Boston Red Sox or a Salvage Depot? Team needs more than tweaking. Lowell's and Ortizs" physical status and Veritek's pathetic batting ave. need addressing.Salty from the Rangers and/or Matt Holliday would be great acquisitions. Theo, use ur pitching chips (Buchholz/Bowden) to nab either or both before the Yanks do.They'll be looking for a replacement for Posada, and another outfielder next year.
great signing. small money, and if this guy is healthy, he's solid. reminds me of the williamson signing in '03.
Another player with a recent injury. Why is Theo signing so many injured players?
good. bolster up the bullpen, and maybe we can pitch right through the Spankees lineup. Dunno if this guy can still throw, but can't hurt too badly w/ a one year deal
Add this guy to the dude we traded Crips for from KC and that's a good pen on paper. Wonder if this is setting up a move to trade Masterson for a young catcher.
In Theo we trust to always give the scoop FOXsports.com's Ken Rosenthal despite all the media steroids fed him by boston.com
Finally, Okie dokie can get some rest.
Pretty obvious that Delcarmen will be packaged in a trade for a catcher, probably Montero.
Great move Theo!! Great off-season. Deepest bullpen in years! Thank you
I like the complimentary signings the Sox have made. Unlike the Yankees who, after being in a steady decline since the infamous '04 meltdown, the Red Sox are in need of a tweak or two, not an overhaul like NY. They have the top of rotation guys in Beckett and Lester, emerging stars with Youk and Pedroia. The only major needs is the obvious absence of an everyday catcher, which I am sure they will address. Is it enough to win a division, pennant or World Series, not too sure.
What they have is the ability to make a move more towards the trading deadline, while contending during the first half of the season. You don't win this thing in the Hot Stove season, just ask Detroit.
Here are the next players the Red Sox will sign:
Tom Glavine, Bobby Abreu, Garrett Anderson...all will receive 1 year guaranteed deals, loaded with incentives...
Worst signing in the off-season, Yankees signing Mark Tex to a 160 million deal, since 2003, Tex has batted less than .300! Good thing we didn't sign that pudgy 1st baseman...
Bunch of flipping whiners....what's wrong with adding extra pitching? And AJ Burnett doesn't exactly scare the crap out of me. Sox rotation puts Yankees to shame. Outside of wang and sabathia, what do they have? NOTHING!
I bet Theo is at a nursing home this weekend looking for some unsigned talent. They will rank right up there with the other signings this offseason.
Theo has done a fantastic job of signing players for minimal money/risk (Smoltz/Penny/Saito). The only way these players end up breaking the bank is through incentives, which if met, will mean they are healthy and producing like top starters/relievers. Absolutely fantastic job by Theo and Co.
This is a good move by the Sox. With no real big names left on the free agent market, Theo is building serious depth. No one of these recent signings need to come through big, but with so many guys who can legitimately make a big impact, odds are one or two will come through. And that's all they need.
Remember, the Sox finished SECOND in th AL in runs and OPS last year. They were one of the best offenses in the major leagues, far ahead of the Yankees. Can't dispute the numbers. And the fact that they came 1 game away from the WS, with pitching that was struggling, demonstrates exactly how good the offense was for them. And they did that with an injured Ortiz and Lowell. Let's not forget Bay. He had 31 HR last season, almost the same as Tex (33). Getting Tex was a luxury. They didn't need Tex, it just would have been nice. All they need is for Ortiz and Lowell to be healthier than last year, not even perfect, and they're right at the top of the league. And you throw in a clearly improved rotation, arguably the best in the AL. Things are okay.
Great Theo -- call to see if Oil Can is available...
the Sox better sign the best doctor available this off-season.
Hey Tomen8r! Be careful...the sky is falling
who's next? ..Robinson Checo?
Stop drinking the Kool aid. Sox fans intoxicated by the two recent championships are holding hands singing Kumbaya! Hail oh mighty Theo. Give me a break tell me what combination of players makes up for Manny? Tominator had a lot right in his blog. Everyone in our division can pitch! They struggled late against the Jays and Orioles come on Boston wake up.
Are half the people commenting just incredibly stupid? This guy is not a closer on this team. Do you think they'll plug him in after Papelbon? Think would you! He's a low-risk chance to further bolster an already solid bullpen. He saved 39 games 2 years ago and he'll be pitching the 6th inning here, if he's healthy. Same with the other signings mentioned. Low-risk high reward. Hasn't Theo and staff earned a bit of confidence from us? Let's judge the team after the trading deadline and not in January
Red Sox Nation:
Believe in Theo. He knows what he is doing. Have we become, heavens forbid, Yankee fans i.e. Buy me the most expensive line-up so we can finish 2nd or 3rd in the division. No. Theo is putting the small pieces into place now in anticipation of putting together a block-buster trade that wil address our catching and offensive line-up defeciencies.
I for one,don't believe that Pappi and Lowell are washed-up; Pedoria and Youkilis will fall flat on thier faces after great 2008 seasons; and that the Starting Rotation and Bullpen are only "good" not "great". Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Penny, and Wake are a formidable rotation (with Smoltz waiting in the wings in Late May-Early June
should an injury/ineffectiveness occur). Our bullpen is very strong with Masterson, Delcarmen, Okajima, Saito, Ramirez, and Papelbon.
Whatever shortcomings are exposed in April-June, Theo has the ammunition to address mid-season. The Red Sox will be fine in '09 and ready to challenge any and all comers for the World Series. GO SOX.
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Stop drinking the Kool aid. Sox fans intoxicated by the two recent championships are holding hands singing Kumbaya! Hail oh mighty Theo. Give me a break tell me what combination of players makes up for Manny? Tominator had a lot right in his blog. Everyone in our division can pitch! They struggled late against the Jays and Orioles come on Boston wake up.
Stop drinking the Kool aid. Sox fans intoxicated by the two recent championships are holding hands singing Kumbaya! Hail oh mighty Theo. Give me a break tell me what combination of players makes up for Manny? Tominator had a lot right in his blog. Everyone in our division can pitch! They struggled late against the Jays and Orioles come on Boston wake up.
Theo is all about low-risk/high yield (and loading up on pitching). He clearly doesn't want to overpay or overcommit for the talent that's left in this year's field of free agents, so it seems like he is piecing together a bunch of 1-yr deals that we go move on from after '09, if they don't work out.
We don't need to match the Yankees dollar-for-dollar. The Yankees seem more interested in signing the biggest available name on the market, team chemistry be damned. Remember how the Yankees used to do it with guys like Brosius, O'Neill, Williams, Tino and Jeter.
I like the pitching signing. But lets try to get Orlando Cabrera back a short or Hanley Ramirez in a trade for Ellsbury!! then we will get our bat that we need.
This lineup looks good:
1. Hanley Ramirez
2. Duntin Pedroia
3. David Ortiz
4. Kevin Youklis
5. Mike lowell
6. Jason Bay
7. J.D Drew
8. Jason Varitek
9.Rocco Baldelli/Kotsay
Pitching:
Beckett
Lester
DiceK
Penny
Smoltz/Wakefield
6
Everyone's whining about the injury risk players we're signing but my money says that if Penny and/or Smoltz are healthy they'll put up better #'s than AJ Burnett. I like Theo's approach of going after guys like this in the bullpen, remember the last high profile guy we trade for our bullpen, GAGNE!!!
To Tomen8 comment no. 1. What's with the doom and gloom and pessimism??? You sound like a Sox fan of OLD!!! To me the Sox, and I've been a die-hard fan since 71, have a team of young talent and some serious veteran warriors that have something to prove. The Sox, Theo & Co. put together, hungry and gritty, "TEAMS". The yankmees put together high priced, afraid to get their uniform dirty players. To say Ortiz is in decline and that Youk and Peddy can't match last year and that Jacoby is mediocre is just ridiculous.
I can't wait for those Jack-asses at Sports Illus. to make their predictions with the Sox finishing 3rd. When, at the end of the year, if they all stay healthy, they'll, without a doubt be in the Series. NO DOUBT.
I like this signing. I think these last few with Smoltz, Saito, Penny, will make a big diiference over the season for our pitching.
I love these signings! More veterans.
The great thing is these new guys are all 40 man roster guys. Lets clear the roster of rookies and those young guys - who needs them.
Give me old veterans any day.
In Theo we trust. We should bring back Pedro next. Then Glavine. Then Schilling.
If they are all healthy we'd have a rotation of 20 game winners.
Great Move. Those of you who think otherwise obviously don't watch enough baseball. They are making moves like the Patriots. Penny, Smoltz, Saito will make our Staff a lot stronger but I do think we could still use a bat.
Theo has made many great (questionable at the time) moves and very few bad moves (David Wells - sorry for the reminder).
He knows what he's doing. Maybe some of the pitchers are gambles but better to gamble with what you can afford to lose than to bet the farm.
To tomen8r and all you other uninformed, part-time RedSox fans, you have no idea what you are talking about. "relatively weak offense"?? Relative to what? On what do you base that? Perception? Why don't you get a clue before you talk about things you know nothing about. This "relatively weak offense" finished 3rd in Average, 3rd in runs, 3rd in slugging and 1st in on-base percentage. IN ALL OF BASEBALL, not the AL. Because they don't hit the homers you want they are average? They did all this with an sub-par Ortiz, an injured Lowell and horrific catcher production. It's about pitching numb-nuts and they are doing the right thing.
Still, no African Americans. Where's Jesse?
Some one wrote "....Ortiz continues his historic fall from grace..." The season has not started yet. How can he be continuing this historic fall?
So will the 2009 Red Sox be playing at Fenway Park or some local Assisted Living Facility ? Are you kidding me with these acquisitions ? Penny, Smoltz, Baldelli & now Saito. It's obvious that it was Teixeira or bust this off-season. Guess what we;re seeing now ? That's right, the bust.
Definitely worth a shot to complete to bullpen. Did you really want David Aardsma to be that last guy? If everything goes right, (yes it's an IF, but the Sox seem to be hedging their bets across the entire pitching staff), we are much deeper in the pen, and the possibility of Wake going back to the pen by mid-season makes it even stronger.
What are we doing??? Theo's assembling a MASH unit not a contender in the AL East!! Is this flurry of big name, has-been signings suppose to hide the fact that we still have not improved the club in now two straight off seasons. The Yankees signing Texiera must have turned Theo's alarm clock on, now please somebody shut it off and let him go back to sleep. While you're at it call Mass General and tell them to stock up on a few more MRI machines because they're gonna need em after these signings.
Hey don't freak out everyone. I'm willing to bet that these moves are just adding depth to a team that might be looking at a trade that will catch us all off guard. Just give it time and trust in our management because they haven't let us down yet. Just because you don't spend like the Yankees doesn't mean that the season is over before it begins.
To all those who are idiot's, yet still Red Sox fans. The sox will probably have the best bullpen in baseball, national or american, and if beckett is himself, lester repeat's performance, dice k can calm a little bit, wake's wake, penny can adjust, which is a lot of luck maybe, we could have the best starting rotation in baseball. Not to mention John Smoltz in may or June. Oh, and tomen8r, you realize that not only did the red sox 'click' after manny, but they almost scored an entire run more per game. You uninformed wannabe red sox fans make me sick. Don't get me wrong, this year could go badly, but it's not going to be a dive by any means.
Good signing. They give up nothing to get him. If he is hurt and can not pitch they lose nothing. They lose nothing in taking this gamble. He has dominant stuff.
Let's hope they don't all break down at the same time.
All of you dont get it, they are signing for low money, chances are we are going to get a good year out of one of them
Here's what the Sox have done with their pitching:
Penny/Smoltz replace Colon/Byrd as spot and 5th starters - while they still have Buchholtz, Bowden, and Bard as young potentials to fill that spot.
They have added 2 solid arms so far to their bullpen in Ramirez and Saito while retaining Delcarmen, Lopez, Okajima, Aardsma, and Papelbon. They also have Masterson who can be used as a starter or out of the bullpen.
Oh, and they picked up some guy named Tawaza from Japan who we'll just to wait and see on - he could be a bust or could turn out to be another Okajima.
Now if they could just sign Juan Cruz (probably won't, since he is a type A free agent) it would make for a great bullpen.
With Dice-K, Saito, Okajima, and Tawaza on teir roster, and the Sox needing a catcher, and Seattle having another young catcher available, does it make sense for the Sox to go after kenji Jo-Mama?
I dont get all the negativity. For a team that was one game away from a world series, do we really need to go out and spend a ton of money on one (or 3!) guy? I dont think so. (If they did, you'd all moan about the higher ticket prices.) The Sox are simply morphing into the Patriots. The Pats have always succeeded in picking up cheap or un-wanted players. Some work and some dont. But it's a smart strategy when you have a solid core.
Foolish people. It's a risk vs. rewards signing. Similair to Colon last year. If you're going to be a Sox fan, please get educated.
Great great move. Saito has been dominant when healthy. Our pitching staff 1-12 is ridiculous if he is healthy. Actually, it was ridiculous before him, it could be flat out lights out if hes healthy.
I think it's great....can't have enough arms! Who knows if he's half as good as he was in 2007....awesome. Give the old buck a shot. I'm sure we'll use him somewhere in the mix. In Theo We Trust!!! Let's get a catcher now.
you are all idiots, the sox will be just fine, the offense is still in question but the pitching staff is well equiped to compete with the rays and yankees who are still sub par in their rotation... Burnett? hes a has been always will be injury prone player.. relax red sox nation we will all be happy next october
hey guys,
let cashman shop at lord & taylor and theo at the dollar store.
if half of theo's dollar bargains work out we will be fine.
If we keep this up we might have to change our names to the Yomiuri Giants
A lot people keep talking doom and gloom with the Sox, but doesn’t every team have question marks, their injury concerns, etc??? Let me try this drill with the Yankees…..How will their 39 year-old closer respond to shoulder surgery in the off-season, he can’t be the Mariano of old forever…..How will the 37 year-old Posada respond to shoulder surgery, is he really an every day catcher?.....Will AJ stay healthy? His two healthiest years were contract years. How will deal with the NY media/pressure when it rains down on him?.......the Yankees left side of the infield is still defensively slow and horrific….Yankees lost 52 HR’s, 196 RBI’s, & 149 BB’s in Giambi & Abreu, has that totally been replaced?.......Will Fat Boy & AJ average 17 wins each like Mussina and Pettite did last year?.....Jeters another year older. His average, HR’s, RBI’s, BB’s, SB’s have all gone down each of the last two years…..How’s Hideki Matsui doing?....Is the FAT BOY, JOBA, going to last an entire year….
Good signing. I trust Theo.
red sox fans are the worst. you crap all over the yankees for getting high price talent and then turn around crap all over your own team for being thrifty. you can't have it both ways.
GO SOX!
When is El Guapo coming back?
For the people keep posting where are the African Americans, enough already. Theo is not picking up players based on race. The number of African Americans playing MLB has been declining for a while. 8.2% of the opening day rosters last years were African Americans - half of what it was in 1997. By that math if you are going to be anal about it, there should be 2 on the 25 man roster but who cares. If you are so hung up on race, you can cheer on the dark-skinned Latinos or watch the NBA or NFL.
Again, a solid signing with very little down side. If Saito works in to assisting the set up roll for 30 percent of the games, the Red Sox organization wins! Exceptionally low salary and incentives to the pitcher for success!!! Again, Good Job executives!!!!!
I agree with most of you... They need to address the offense! I love Youk, but he is not a clean-up hitter. Lowell/Ortiz Injury and age. The push for Texeira Should have been more intense, Why not take it to the limit and then make the Yankees pay up to 200 million if need be. Theo and the trio did it with Sebathia and Burnett.
I see a third place finish 5-10 games out. I can see this trend for the next few years. The rays are young and improving, while the yankees have a STUD at first base.
Who's next??? Sammy Sosa? Jim Rice? Jose Canseco?
I love the mid-market mentality of John Henry with a large market revenue stream.
It appears The Red Sox are doing the smart thing and waiting to see when the current recession finally bottoms out. Much smarter to sign these low-cost, high-reward players then wasting money on guys like injury prone Burnett and old man Lowe. If they land up re-signing Paps, Youks, Bay, Lester and Becket over the next 2 years, then this low $$$ offseason will look pretty intelligent. Wouldn't every Sox fan rather keep our home-grown talent and current All-Star caliber players instead of overpaying for guys past their prime???
I like these pitching signings. Think about some of the guys we had last year. Timlin (old & injured), Hanson (ineffective), Colon (fat and injured), Aardsma (ineffective mostly). I'll take Saito, Ramon Ramirez, a full year of Masterson, Smoltz and Penny (both much better than Colon) along with Delcarmen, Okajima and Papelbon.
Could use another bat though
Why not go get Gagne back, too? While they are it, they should stock up on Geritol and some cadavers.
Sawks fans please. Thesesignings provide great options. If 1 or 2 ,Penny,Smoltz,Saito or Ramirez pan out the opportunity to trade Bowden or Buckholts becomes easier. Masterson goes nowhere. He's perfect cover for Papelbon-who may have issues B/C velocity is down. If baldelli regains health he could be sensational. Get a grip guys---it's only January. Russ Q. in N.C.
loading up for some trades...Live in Atlanta...Smoltz will be a huge pick up for the Sox.
This is a great move. If you sign numerous injury-questionable pitchers who are very good when healthy, odds are at least one or two will be healthy and give you an outstanding season. The middle bullpen was the team's biggest weakness in 08, but now it is looking like a premium bullpen, like it was in 07.
The Sox offense will be fine. It was very good in 08, and players like Lowell, Ortiz, and Ellsbury should bounce back and surpass their 08 performance. I would much rather have a top-to-bottom lineup of very good hitters than one with a few studs and a few holes. That is why Texas got rid of A-Rod.
Ivan-- Thats a great lineup...I'd love it if they pulled off a Hanley Rameriz deal, we have young players to trade.. the Yanks don't plus CC.. good pitcher, carried Brewers but not proven is post season... AJ hurt every year except contract years.. Pavano 2? Is possible... Tex good signing but Lowell and Youk are good at the corners. We have depth of pitching and its a war of attrition... some of these guys will have big years
HEY ~ Just maybe that CRYSTAL BALL is showing them something
special - maybe? We won't know until; "later" ...........
ANYWAYS - GO SOX's
Loading up on pitching....because the next shoe to drop is a young catcher coming our way for Buchholz plus two minors for the young Texas catcher..
Andre Dawson and Jack Clark are well rested, Mark "the bird" Fydrich...Bill "space man" Lee is pitching better now than he did 30 years ago. As long as we're going old-timers team for 2009 (April for these guys in Boston is an EXTREMELY BAD IDEA THEO!) we can make some merchandising money from the retirement crowd.
I understand the bargain approach and avoiding the over-priced free agents, but this is getting tough to watch.
How many injury prone and recently injured players do we need on the bench? We have enough in the starting lineup. Have any of these risk-reward guys even worked out in the past to make the aggregate risk they all bring worth it? Sure $1MM - $5MM isn't much in baseball salary land, but when you add them all up, you're talking about a pretty big chunk of change for 4 guys (Baldelli, Penny, Smoltz and Saito), who are just as likely to yield zero value as "upside." I think I'd rather see them rush some guys to the majors than work through re-treads.
At least I know better than to waste the money on DirecTV's extra innings package this year. Not interested in spending every night watching us finish third and out of the playoffs.
What's all the whining about? Who cares? He could be great or not...so what? Why not give it a shot?
Why's everyone complaining about these re-tread deals? They are what they look like - experiments. We'll find out if these guys can or can't go. Some will work out and some won't. We'll drop the ones that don't and keep the ones that do and overall the cream will rise to the top of the bullpen. I'm not saying we won't have a dogfight all year with the yanks and the rays, but I also don't think this team is going to be awful either.
I get it, and 09 could be an immense success...but there's just a bit too much 'if' built into our roster for my comfort. Face it, the diff between 07 and 08 was bullpen and I for one am glad to see the issue is being addressed...on the other hand I wouldn't cry if they landed a big bat and soon!!!p
Hmmmmm.......does anyone else besides me think a significant trade is going to happen soon? My guess???.....Buchholz and Delcarmen to the Rangers for Salty and some reserve infield help.
The Sox have had a bevy of lawyers at Ted William's cryogenic slab petitioning to 'talk with the Splendid Splinter'. Plans are for Tito to fly our and have dinner with his revived corpse next week.
This is totally absurd. The Sox are becoming a team of the physically challenged types. Is that a condition for being a Red Sox? Look at what is on the roster: Lowell (serous hip surgery), Papi (bad wrist), Penny (huge injury history and coming off major surgery), Smoltz (history of injuries and recent serious surgery). What is going on here?
A couple of factors here. When taken together.. this is a good signing. First, the money angle.
1) The Economy. Let's face it, we're in for at least a 2 year rough ride and baseball isn't immune since it is a form of discretionary spending. Any one year deal is better than a three plus year deal because of the economic uncertanties.
2) He's Japanese. Signing Dice-K wasn't just about getting a dominant pitcher in his prime. It was also about making 150 million rabid, Japanese baseball fans, SOX fans. If they're all buying SOX Hats and and SOX tee shirts then the numbers just really work well. This just adds to that phenomenon.
3) We all know that good pitching gets out good hitting. And more games than not are decided in the 5th, 6th and 7th innings when the starters are tired or the middle relief bums are trying to survive till the 8th. So this is as much about shoring up the 6th inning as it is about anything else. It's not that he's going to pitch the 6th, that could be anybody, but whoever it is, Delcarmen, Ramirez or this guy, will be altogether better than the alternative. And if you're not confident about your offense, (catcher???, weak hitting shortstop, maybe a .265 Ellsbury, injury prone Drew and Baldelli) then making up for it by saving a run or two in the 6th inning just makes sense. .
Good Signing Theo. Low risk, high reward.
Good move, if he's healthy, he's quality. I'd take our pitching staff over anyone, WHEN HEALTHY! Cross your fingers "nation"....
Can Sparky Lyle and Bill "Soup" Campbell be far behind?
No, magicman, the tomin8r does not have it right. Hate to pile on the guy, but claiming Pedrioa and Youk's offense will drop off is dumb. The guy doesn't even have the sense to say their numbers "might" drop off. Which they won't. Pedroia was ROY and played a huge part in the Sox winning a ring in 07, then he shrugged off the sophomore jinx by winning none other than the AL MVP. As a 2nd Baseman! Not to mention leading the Sox to within one game of the 08 WS with no Manny, no Lowell, no Ortiz (relatively speaking), no Beckett (ditto), a catcher who was an automatic out, and a patched-together lineup featuring Mark Kotsay (hits in the low 200s), Coco Crisp (no Jacoby Ellsbury), and a career backup splitting time at shortstop with a second half callup. And claiming JD Drew is a reserve makes me wonder if this poster is really watching the games. Yes, this team lacks for a pure cleanup hitter (assuming Ortiz's power numbers continue to decline), but they've got 4 good options for a number three hitter, they've got 4 or 5 other guys capable of leading off, and they've got the best number 2 hitter in the game. What's more, their lineup goes lefty-righty almost all the way through, which has played a big part in their recent successes. (The Cubs, on the other hand, were too right-handed. You can get away with this in the regular season, but not the playoffs.) Another thing to consider...Theo might be stocking the roster in order to use a few young guys in a major trade. Jake Peavy, anyone? Or maybe Carlos Lee hitting cleanup? One of these two guys puts us back on top. So chill.
Why don't we sign Pedro Martinez as well...
i took an "experimental injection" once too. 'was a helluva week i tells ya!
and my pitching arm didn't hurt at all, i mean not a single drop of that beer spilled over. come to think of it, no part of my body did feel anything at all; 'was like levitatin' in a beautiful spaceship needle-point above pastures and fields shinin' in the sun so groovy and wonderful, nobody on the road, nobody on the beach head full of zombie or nothin'...
'was a motherf*ckin' miracle, and i want you to acknowledge it!
Stop this whiny BS!
It is obvious that the Red Sox could use a bat for the middle of the order. Now ask yourself this question. Who should it be? No free agents available to sign that will upgrade this team, this year. Why not sign depth and then wait until either the trade deadline or next season. For one, Smoltz is a gamer and will pan out. If they don't, who cares? They didn't cost anything. Also, please do not mention Hanley Ramirez again. We could trade 4 A+ prospects and they wouldn't give him up. Management has a strategy that will keep this team competitive for many years. Why do something stupid to jeopardize their overall plan? Henry is not cheap, he offered Texeira fair market value. Let the Yankees eat 20 million when he is on the decline in 3 years. If they went to 200 million, I think a HUGE mistake. He still might not have come to Boston. Texiera's wife likes 5th Avenue better than Newberry St. Who knows, who cares! We will be competitve with any team in the AL and beyond. So all of you uninformed haters out there, please just STOP. You are embarassing to us all!
Why are some people allowed to make comments here?
1. Saito has thrown over 60 innings in his previous years. one yr does not make a guy injury prone. All these Sox fans who wanted Burnett yet call guys like Penny and Saito injury prone clearly ignore Burnett's injury history.
2. TEIXEIRA WAS NEVER GONNA BE A RED SOX NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE SOX OFFERED BECAUSE THE YANKEES WOULDVE TOPPED IT REGARDLESS THE COST. SO GET OVER THESE MAN CRUSHES OVER TEIXEIRA.
I'm a displaced Sox here in PA. I've followed the Dodgers the last three years pretty closely because my cousin pitched for them and can tell you when Saiko is healthy he's great and can compliment the releif staff because he has great stuff and location. He's definately a great pickup, if he's unhealthy we have the depth to cover it. Also, we have the best piching coach and staff in the business and they'll do a great job with the pitchers we picked up.
I trust that Theo and staff will give us a great chance to win it all although we won't be favored this year.
Am I really supposed to pay $100 a game to watch the 2008 Disabled All Star Team?
theo knows what he is doing just give it time...hey we don't have to spend those millions for 3 players,i think we those millions for 3 players you can afford a team..i will laugh my ass if yankees don't make the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too many IF's on this team. Sign Abreu to cover for Papi at DH, and to have a reliable PH for underperformers late in the game. He could play RF too if needed. Good base stealer. Finally, keep him away from batting AGAINST the Sox.
MICHAEL WEBER
Are you using GagMe as an argument in favor of Theo? If so what are you thinking?
I think I will be a little sick if I see the quotes "Believe in Theo" or "In Theo We Trust" one more time. He's not a God. He makes mistakes just like everyone else. Just stop it!
It's all about the health of the entire team. The health.......health.....health.... oh ya! did I mention everyones health will be the key to success
Yankees fans would be rejoicing if they were to read these weak and whiny blogs. Where is the risk? The Sox obviously had 20 something millions to spend and they're making the best of it. If any of these guys pitch to their potential we're trading guys before the deadline and squeezing other teams for their prospects instead of them stealing ours. WAKE UP!
This club comes down to Drew's health. Period. When he is healthy, the entire offensive line-up takes on a different complexion. The $10,000 question is: can he stay healthy?
To many ifs
If you take all things into consideration, sigining three proven veterans like Penny, Smoltz, and Saito are admirable additions to a team that is a lot better than people are giving them credit for. This team was just one win away from the World Series last year. In retrospect, they had a bad game in Game 7 of the ALCS. Fact of the matter is, it happens.
The general concensus is that this team is not as talented as the Yankees or the Rays. However, we do not know how the Yankees signings will pan out. Ask the same questions in one year and we would have a definitive answer. Every off-season, there are teams that go out and load up on talent, but that alone foes not guarantee success. Look at the studs turned duds in 2007. The Tigers were supposed to run the show. Abismal season, How about the Mets? Johan Santana would control baseball and lead the Mets into the playoffs? Nope. Even Seattle was supposed to have an above average season behind the Bedard. They were one of the worst teams in baseball last year. We know nothing about the chemistry of these Yankees stars.
Usually when a lot of talent is gathered together, egos can get in the way and effect a teams play. In all honesty, we don't know. Same for the Rays. They could jhust as easily go back to being the team of old and not have a great year. When you play that well last year, its hard to repeat that intensity. Some argue that Boston is at least the third best team in their division. Even if that pans true, they are still a top-tier team in baseball. The depth that Theo Epstein has worked into this system is honorable.
Obviously, these three veteran signings are not a move for the future. However, they may be paving the way to address our needs behind the plate at catcher, or possibly allowing us to add another superstar. Smoltz will offer quality starts once in the lineup around May or June. Even if not, hes a great addition to the bullpen, which will more than likely be his role due to his age and fatigue. I am convinced that Penny still has a lot of gas in him, after all, hes in his early thirties. While he won't perform like the All-Star starter he was just a few seasons removed, Penny can still pack a punch and be as good as a number three starter on this team.
As for Saito, he has shown some electticity out of the bullpen in Los Angeles. He will be a good arm to go to to bridge the gap between starter and Papelbon. Plus, he will be able to close when Papelbon or Okajima needs a little rest. Overall, these moves are a lot more helpful than most think they will be.
Hey, Freaks Wake Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pitching, Pitching, and More Pitching
2009, Will be the best Red Sox team ever, look at the roster!
I have been to the area of Texas were Beckett has a ranch (Oct 2008), besides the cheap Hot! mexican girl he has nothing else to do but, lose weight. Pitching wins, look at 04 and 07
Wow, this must be where fans who know nothing about baseball go to complain.
On what planet is pitching depth a bad thing? And pending the solution to the catching issue, which offseason move was bad? Please. Sounds like most of you should become Yankee fans so your team can spend billions and still fail to win a championship. Please, take off your pink hat and start paying attention. And you can begin by going to MLB.com and re-watching game 5 of the ALCS. Start at the bottom half of the 7th.
Next up are Pedro and Schilling. They should be ready by July and may be able to give the Sox 50 innings each.
Quit the negative crap you half-heart fans. You're just not going to trust the Sox with these moves? Not like we're throwing a ton of guaranteed money over multiple years to these guys. This team did not need as much as you would think, sorry we didn't splash the market with big signing like we had done with Lugo and Drew. You all sound like Yankee fans begging to break out the check book everytime things don't go your way. I for one like their offseason so far, only guy I would have thought about adding that they didn't was Sheets.
I would love to see ONE thread that doesn't mention the good, not great player who used to play for Texas but is now a mortal foe. Face it kiddies, he wasn't worth even what the sox offered, he didn't want to come here, and bora$ was using the sox to increase the contract dollars.
Now then, this is a good signing, and if he stays healthy, it is a very good addition to an already strong bullpen. Gives the Sox options to get a good hitting catcher with the trade of a spare arm
Theo usually ends up proving me wrong, but WTF?? What a collection of broken down question marks...... If this "plan" works out, he'll be the biggest genius in the history of the world..... But at this point I'm having ard time believing that this mess of an offseason will end up making him look like anything but the biggest moron in the history of the world. Are all these signings just a strategy to show Boras that they can build a team without pricey free agents? If so, I don't know who's benefiting from this charade.......
Sounds like the 2009 version of the Eric gagne experiment.
Maybe we have a different outcome this time.....................ya, right.
I got tired trying to read through all these...
Has anyone considered the idea of mid-season trade(s) - (somewhat like the 'moneyball' A's of years past) - as a potential/probable cure-all for whatever winds up ailing this team? And this is asked as an actual question, not rhetorical. With no one available as a free agent to placate those pining after the out of reach texeira, isn't doing nothing/not much good enough going into the season, especially for a team that was a few runs shy of the american league crown and world series last year? That one was rhetorical...
What do all these pathetic whiners have to say about the Yankees? Will Wang return to form? Will Teixeira replace both Giambi(31HRs/96RBI) and Abreu(100 R/20HRs/100RBI)? Or will Jeter, Damon, Posada continue their "historic fall from grace"? Will CC Sabathia be compared to Hideki "Fat Toad" Irabu? Or will Hal and Hank put the P.R. Department to work and come up with something more colorful? Will A.J. Burnett match Carl Pavano for 4W/100Inn years? Who will wiegh more at the end of the year, CC or Joba? Or will Johnny Damon throw out runners at the plate on the fly? Will Melky Cabrera win the Triple Crown? Who do you think we are up against? Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle and Maris? The Yankees have only replaced what they lost TO free agency. Mussina(20Wins) and Giambi and Abreu.Otherwise they are getting old fast. They finished THIRD. Not the Sox. Try rooting for the Nationals, Royals or Pirates and come back when you have a better grip on reality. When you can appreciate a team that is trying to put together talented youth and some veterans who might want to win a ring before the window of opportunity(or their career altogether) comes to a close. And Tomen8r, you're just Shaughnessy-saturated.
youk and dusty have similar numbers to last year? right.
I like the signing. Cheap, proven. Injured, yes. But he passed his physical. Adds depth to our already strong bullpen, so he won't need to pitch many many innings. And with the restraint of John Farrell and Theo, he won't be overworked.
As for Ivan about signing Orlando Caberea. If you didn't know Orlando Caberea has caused a riff with many organizations in his career and the Red Sox are one of the them. Orlando will never be in a Red Sox uniform again.
The Pen is mightier Trabek.
I hear that Bret Saberhagen is available....
I've watched Saito for the last few years and it's clear to me that
Theo knows what he is doing. Saito at 1.8 m is a steal. Most boston guys above
haven't seen him probably. Clearly, this will e a pleasant surprise.
Colletti gambled and lost.
awesome another closer from the Dodgers..Saito Gange...sweet. Thanks Theo.
Most of these comments are ridiculous. This team came within ONE GAME OF THE WORLD SERIES last year with Beckett, Lowell, Drew, and Ortiz all injured. They don't need to push the panic button and spend $400 million like the Yankees did.
Also, everyone who is complaining that the Sox need a bat.. have you all completely forgotten about Jason Bay? He hit .293/.370/.527 (128OPS+) in Boston last year. He's going to put up more of the same this coming season with 30HR and 100RBI.
All of these recent signings are really good. Penny was hurt last year, but he was an All Star in 2006 and 2007. In 2007 he finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting (16-4, 3.03ERA). Baldelli is a legitimate 5-tool player who can play all 3 OF positions. If he really has his condition under control and played every day, he'd be a 20HR/20SB player. Kotsay is the LH bat to complement Baldelli (RH) off the bench, and he can also play all 3 OF positions and he was pretty good defensively at 1B for the few games he played there too. Smoltz is going to miss the first two months rehabbing, but he's a fierce competitor and he will be helpful in case someone goes down. Finally, Saito has a 1.95 ERA the past 3 years (2.49 last year) That's a pretty big upgrade from Timlin.
Stop complaining about signing injured players. If they don't pan out.... guess what? You drop them... no harm no foul. I like all of these recent signings, if half of them work, then they were worth it.
And for those thinking the Sox are getting Hanley Ramirez back, get over it... it ain't happening. Not for a couple years at least...
Penny, Smoltz, and Saito are not the answer. Saito needs Tommy John surgery! Maybe we get lucky with one of these guys but... The season seems to hidge on Lowell and Ortiz, plain and simple. I would have saved the money on these 3 has beens and signed Adam Dunn as insurance on Ortiz.
It is puzzling that the Sox have signed so many question marks, considering that we really don't know what we will get out of Drew, Lowell, Ortiz, and Becket. Not to mention the gaping holes at shortstop and catcher. What the Sox have going for them is, and what they have smartly refused to give up, is unparalleled depth in young, quality starting pitching. The key is Beckett - if he is the Beckett of '07 the Sox will win the World Series. After all, he owned Sabathia that year. Lester will only get better, Dike-K finished 3rd in the AL last year in ERA. Masterson should go back to being a starter - he has great potential. Buchholz will be great soon. Bowden also has great potential.