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Posted by Chris Forsberg, Boston.com Staff  February 21, 2009 08:49 AM
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FORT MYERS, Fla. -- David Ortiz spent five minutes answering questions this morning about his relationship with Angel Presinal, amid reports that Major League Baseball investigators want to talk with Alex Rodriguez about his work with the Dominican trainer.

The Globe's Amalie Benjamin provides the full transcript.

Asked about his ties to Presinal, Ortiz said: "I gotta tell you, we had this facility, five minutes away from my house and he's one of the guys that trains everybody. That's what everybody does. It's in the center of the city, right in the middle where everybody lives, like an Olympics place where everybody goes to workout, do hitting, running, and other stuff."

Ortiz stressed he had worked with Presinal, but the trainer never pushed him toward steroids.

"I've known him for a long time," said Ortiz. "All I know from him is how to keep our bodies ready; working out, teaching how to do the right exercises and things like that. He's not just teaching baseball players, he has a guy who runs marathon, a volleyball player, basketball player, everybody. He's been doing that for years. All I know is we all work out with him as a group of guys that want to be ready in spring training. And that's about it."

The New York Daily News reported Friday that Presinal had a longstanding relationship with Rodriguez and accompanied him for the entire 2007 season as well as earlier in his career, when he played for the Texas Rangers. According to the Daily News’ sources, Presinal stayed in the same hotels as A-Rod but in a separate room with Rodriguez’s cousin Yuri Sucart, who A-Rod said was his source for steroids during his years with Texas (2001-03).

After the session, Ortiz was asked about his ailing shoulder, which kept him off the practice fields the past two days.

"It's better," said Ortiz, who was sporting an ice pack on his left shoulder. Asked if he would hit today, Ortiz said he would.

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37 comments so far...
  1. Have they found the BALCO of the Dominican? With Presinal you have the keys to the kingdom. Get his "books" ..... it might make the A-Rod story seem small.

    Hey Ortiz, haven't you learn anything... stop talking. It is only going to be harder for you if anything is found.

    Posted by patsfan1970 February 21, 09 10:37 AM
  1. Sure Papi,Arod is the only bad guy in baseball. Please reveal the other 103 names. It's the only fair thing to do!

    Posted by dianegalluccio February 21, 09 10:39 AM
  1. Why would Presinal offer the other players on the list steroids, and not offer Ortiz? Lets face it, Papi was nobody with the Twins. All of a sudden in '03 he's all world??? Come on!

    Posted by Dave February 21, 09 12:18 PM
  1. I love Papi but I think he was as dirty as Arod.

    Posted by maze4muz February 21, 09 12:53 PM
  1. I would love to believe David, but his own actions and his union subject him to being guilty until proven innocent. I know "most" of them did and are still doing it! We as a society have deluded ourselves. HGH is in use everywhere, from the retirement homes in Florida to most of the mainstrean actors and actresses in Holywood. Think about greats like Williams and DiMaggio, and think about their bodies? What we see and idolize today is out of a bottle! Look at guys in the special forces, Navy Seals etc. No one works out more than these guys, and though they are extremely fit, this Nomar SI cover cut is largely absent? Why? wake up!

    Posted by cdrpat February 21, 09 01:07 PM
  1. yeah, you're the one guy who didn't use steroids with all your buddies. Coincidence that your body and game started breaking down when they started testing?
    can't wait to hear his excuse, hope its better than A-roid's

    Posted by andrei February 21, 09 01:45 PM
  1. can we all say, Manny is the greatest right hander hitter in the latest 30 years. i am very sure he is not in Steroids.His stats are consistent. No significant spike or decline.

    RSN should not be swayed by FO and WEEI. GO Sox

    Posted by ss February 21, 09 01:57 PM
  1. PLEASE CLARIFY THAT HE IS A PERSONAL TRAINER, not AN ATHLETIC TRAINER. An athletic trainer is a licensed and nationally certified allied health professional.

    Posted by ATC February 21, 09 02:19 PM
  1. AN ATHLETIC TRAINER TRAINS ATHLETES. BASEBALL PLAYERS AREN'T ATHLETES.

    Posted by Joe February 21, 09 03:08 PM
  1. now we know how Big Papi got to be so 'Big"

    Posted by john February 21, 09 03:55 PM
  1. i think Papi needs to stop commenting all together on steroid issues

    Posted by JB February 21, 09 03:59 PM
  1. Let's talk about all the positive tests for David Ortiz. Okay, now that that's out of the way, we can say this: he's clean. You know why? He didn't test positive. No one mentioned his name prior to things coming out (like Canseco did with A-Rod) and nothing actually came out. Game over. Move on.

    Posted by JJ February 21, 09 04:43 PM
  1. I was in Ft. Myers this morning and Papi looks fantastic. He is lean & limber, able to run well, field at first base, and he's hitting like a maniac. The 'big" in Papi was fat...he's not fat now, but he's still BIG in his baseball prowess. So, unless you saw him from 10 feet away, running sprints and slamming balls in 2009 (no steroids for sure), don't accuse him of steroids, ever.

    Posted by FlaRedSoxFan February 21, 09 04:45 PM
  1. #10 - Amen- please shut up David - before you put your foot in your mouth!!!

    Posted by opk3 February 21, 09 04:55 PM
  1. Where do all these people get the "Everyone is doing it" thing? No, everyone is NOT doing it. Jeter was right. "Everyone is doing it" is like saying "planes crash." Uh, no they don't. And on the rare instances that they do, it's publicized to the nth degree. Why? Because they RARELY crash!!

    When they tested the thousand an some odd ball players in '03, which is where the A-Rod positive test came from, how many tested positive? 104, right? So that's 10% of the sample. Well, 1,000 ball players is a good sized sample. In fact, if you take 30 teams and multiply it by their 25 man roster, you get 750. So they tested the 40 man roster. Almost everyone got tested. And they came up with 104 testing positive.

    Which means that like 90% didn't test positive.

    Yeah, HGH is undetectable. And you can tell those guys in like one second. McGwire, Juan Gonzalez, Jeff Bagwell. THese guys that are ridiculously big and have a V type body despite 162 game schedule. Bonds would be another.

    I ask you to look at the Red Sox roster: How many steroid questions you think there are on that roster? Maybe Ortiz (who is just a big dude, but okay, let's put a question mark next to his name), and.....who else? Not Youk (HGH builds mass and gets you cut. Does Youk look cut to you?), not Pedroia, not whoever is playing Short, not Lowell, not Bay, not Ellsbury, and not Drew (even if he did take roids, it wouldn't help because he can't lift all that much due to the bad back). That's the entire starting lineup. Oh, and Not Varitek.

    That leaves the pitchers. Who among that group looks ridiculously big? Beckett? Dice-K? Wake? Who? Right. So you have maybe, maybe, maybe, one question on the whole team.

    But there's people who say "everyone" is doing it. No, they aren't. The ones that do get so much pub that it makes it look that way. And it's also the high profile guys that did it (McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, Pettitte). But for everyone of those guys, I can give you five names who didn't: McGwire=Will Clark, Fred McGriff, J.T. Snow; Don Mattingly; Tino Martinez. For Bonds & Sosa: Griffey; Ricky Henderson; Jim Edmonds; Albert Belle, Jay Buhner, Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez, Kenny Lofton, Manny Ramirez, Tony Gwynn, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, and Barry Larkin. Pitchers? Let's go with...Pedro Martinez, Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Al Leiter, Hideo Nomo, Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Bret Saberhagen, and Mariano Rivera.

    And I could add and add and add. No one believes any of those guys were on anything and they were extremely successful. So let's stop the whole "everyone" was doing it. Because they weren't.

    Some high profile guys who made horrible choices were, but the stats just don't bare out "everyone" was doing it.

    Posted by JJ February 21, 09 05:01 PM
  1. i would be heartbroken

    Posted by nox February 21, 09 05:14 PM
  1. That's the price that u gotta pay when u star recluding guys all over the world.. let the MLB be just Americans and would see there's no need to be an steroids-product.. Do you know how many guys do they have to face up and challenge while on the the Minors? Come on.. that's why Dimaggio and all those guys didn't use anything..cuz the challenge wasn't as hard as it's now!...

    Let's face up guys... all of you have used those substances... there's nothing to hide.. and is also to stop make such a show when they appear, since we know about that... Just wait for a while for Manny's, VlaGuerrero, Guillen, Beltran...

    Posted by James February 21, 09 05:16 PM
  1. I have a feeling that this isn't going to end well for Ortiz...

    Posted by rob February 21, 09 06:19 PM
  1. I think this guy needs to stop commenting........period.

    Posted by bruce warner February 21, 09 06:23 PM
  1. Geez, how quick everyone seems to be to deem Papi guilty! What is it I don't know that his critics know?

    Posted by JoeDB February 21, 09 06:23 PM
  1. Hey nitwits, Ortiz never hit 35 HR BEFORE steroid testing. AFTER steroid testing he did it 4 times straight. No wonder he wants juicers hit harder.

    Posted by F Manny February 21, 09 06:27 PM
  1. It all makes sense now. He won't do much this year either.

    Posted by Steve February 21, 09 06:50 PM
  1. First Belichick's Super Bowls prove to be illegitimate with all his cheating. Now the Red Sox World Series wins start to smell with the Ortiz and Martinez links to the Dominican steroid pusher. By the way, how long before Manny's name is linked also.

    Posted by swish February 21, 09 07:29 PM
  1. What an idiotic conversation. Can we all just check our skepticism for a minute? There are plenty of guys who DID NOT JUICE. Why would Ortiz be so vocal about this if there was a remote chance he did? Jesus.

    Posted by Joe from NH February 21, 09 07:53 PM
  1. From watching the ticker on ESPN, I can only assume that EVERY Dominican player did steroids. This is a ridiculous witch hunt. 104 players got nabbed 5 years ago, and everyone is guilty. Where's the players association? You would think if they have the interest of the game and their current members in mind, they would be begging to have the names released. Everyone will be guilty in the sensationalized press until they do.

    Posted by BrianP February 21, 09 08:41 PM
  1. Would people just shut up about all this already. There's nothing on Ortiz, so let's not return to the Salem witch trials, ok? Man. A-Rod did stuff, period. Now we want to say that every Dominican did it too? That's like saying every rocker in the late 60's-70's was doing H or LSD... uh, maybe someone like Charlie Watts of the Stones or something didn't want to, even though his buddy Keith was? Can someone say he didn't want to do something now and still get the benefit of the doubt? Reactions have gone to the extreme. It's MLB's fault for not outlawing the stuff earlier. Coming out with stupid, unfounded remarks now like "Papi was so-so with the Twins and then he was all of a sudden All-World in 2003", or whatever one of the bozo responses above said are completely unconstructive. Besides, Ortiz didn't play a full year with the mediocre Twins, remember, but did hit over 20 hrs, then he went to only 31 in '03 with more playing time on a better team. Can't a player just come into his own and get better now? Enough is enough. Yeah, A-Rod is a liar, but that doesn't mean Papi is one too just because he's Dominican and knows A-Rod, does it? Can it.

    Posted by alex February 21, 09 08:43 PM
  1. does anyone really think papi is juiced?

    Posted by Joe Corrao February 21, 09 08:45 PM
  1. Anyone who thinks Lowell and Ortiz didn't take PED's is kidding themselves. The sudden spike in production and then downward drop off and obvious wear and tear on the body that follows. Time to wake up, kids. MLB is the equivalent of pro wrestling. Our beloved Red Sox are no different.

    Posted by PSF February 21, 09 09:55 PM
  1. Guys...all my friend have taken the stuff....

    ORTIZ , cmon now. Do you know how out of shape he truly is...Growth leans you up ...do that with primobolan and your body is amazing. Papi DID NOT DO JACK.

    Trust.

    Posted by Jmh February 21, 09 10:37 PM
  1. Manny is the greatest hitter in last 30 years. Look at his stats no significant spike or decline. He is very consistent. Redsox nation knows he is clean. RSN should not be swayed by FO and WEEI people, who suck up to FO people too much.

    Posted by ss February 21, 09 10:41 PM
  1. All of you clowns who are doubting Papi will eat crow. You will the same clowns saying you always had his back with he jacks 40 this year.

    Posted by BrnHrnt February 22, 09 12:05 AM
  1. PSF, you're a moron ("The sudden spike in production" blah blah blah). You obviously haven't followed baseball for more than a couple years. The history of the game is filled with guys who fit the bill then (Jacky Jensen, Roger Marris, George Scott, Jeff Burroughs, Ron Cey, Greg Luzinski, George Foster to name a few). Just recently we were talking about the bulbous bodies and heads, and now we mention guys who look like Freddy Patek meets Jonathan Winters in comparison to Bonds/Clemens/Big Mac. Guys with obvious Steroid builds and career jumps haven't even been mentioned (Jeff Bagwell, Luis Gonzalez, Brady Anderson to name a few), yet we're so ready to throw guys with big guts who hapeened to know so and so under ea train? Mike Schmidt had the most thoughtful response yet I've read, sayinin essence"hell, I woulda done it too at the time". Looks, it's done, over, we should be complaining more ABOUT THE IDIOTS SO MANY BASEBALL PLAYERS ARE, like Manny Ramirez and his"GAS IS UP AND SO AM I" response last year, followed by rejecting 25 mill a year during a severe recession?????!!!! Lookk, these steroid guys are gonna be hurt when Hall of Fame voting for them comes around, let that be it. Yeah, call out the other 103 (and Papi won't be one of them, mark my wordds), but what's that gonna do, but waste more of our time> II only care about those that are HOF bound and breaking records, don't you? And then again, they won't be getting in the Hall anyway, so lets' move on already.

    Posted by alex February 22, 09 12:05 AM
  1. #22 swish - you are an imbecile. WHO, besides you, said that the Patriots Super Bowls PROVED to be illegitimate? They have NEVER PROVED to be illegitimate. You don't know what you are talking about. A lot of guys worked their tails off to win those championships. How you can correlate A-Roid getting busted for juicing into Belichick filming walk-arounds is pure nonsense. I will tell you that if David Ortiz was juicing he wouldn't have been hurt so often and if he was juicing he would have been hitting 75 homers a year. Papi is NOT a muscular guy by any means. He didn't get big in a year or two. He has always been a Big, Big man. I saw a team photo of him when he was 15 years old and he towered over everyone else on the team. He's a big dude and always has been a big dude. I don't know if he has used 'roids (I don't know if Curt Schilling has used them. Bud Selig may use them for all I know.) but until it's proven that Papi has, he hasn't in my book. The Red Sox Champions aren't beginning to smell. If you smell something stinky, maybe you should keep your mouth closed. You're drawing flies fool. Go Red Sox! Go Patriots!


    First Belichick's Super Bowls prove to be illegitimate with all his cheating. Now the Red Sox World Series wins start to smell with the Ortiz and Martinez links to the Dominican steroid pusher. By the way, how long before Manny's name is linked also.

    Posted by swish


    Posted by jingle_ballz February 22, 09 12:13 AM
  1. The guy can't win - if he refuses to answer any questions you'll conclude he's drity. If he does answer you still think he's dirty and want him to stop talking.

    And the commentators above need to come-out and say what they really think - that all the Dominicans / Puerto Ricans were using. Pretty hardcore accusations for a sample where only 7% to 10% tested positive.

    Posted by dewey lives February 22, 09 04:59 AM
  1. I never thought I'd be so in support of Derek Jeter, but enough is enough. Everyone is NOT taking PED's. And assuming guilt by association when none of you really know the facts is just plain stupid.

    Few people are more jaded and skeptical than I, but there is NO WAY Papi makes that statement about steroid use that he did last week he had used PED's even once. If he did use and it came out in an absolute way, such as it did with Roidriquez, then Ortiz has committed career and popularity suicide. Papi would have to be completely delusional to make such a demonstrative statement while being guilty of PED use.

    Furthermore, there is NOTHING in his career numbers to a knowledgeable baseball fan that suggests that his production is PED enhanced. His numbers follow a very standard career tract. Furthermore, TRUE Red Sox fans know the little things that transformed Ortiz into the monster he became once he got to Boston.

    Ortiz complained often to management while in Minnesota that he was not being given a fair opportunity to play full time and show them what he was capable of. He has mentioned that he didn't know game to game when he'd be used, even when he was swinging well.

    And Ortiz credited Ron Jackson and Manny Whackmirez with finding holes in his swing, helping him make adjustments that allowed him to make contact with balls inside that he previously would swing right through. This made him a much tougher out, forced pitchers to throw over the plate more (especially with ducks on the pond), for fear if they went inside and missed their spot he would pull a laser into the bullpens. He also learned how to better go the other way and use the Monster. Papi always had power when in Minny, but he didn't learn how to really hit until he got to Boston.

    Hope this helps all the part-timers, pink hats and undercover Spankee fans to understand why there is no chance that Papi took PED's. Lecture has concluded.

    Posted by Johnny BigLeagues February 22, 09 05:52 AM
  1. This is like the McCarthy Era, only in baseball. Not one fan knows anything right now. I repeat not one fan. Until more comes out, STOP. This is a freakin' witchhunt. Enough already.

    Posted by Jomarie February 22, 09 08:16 AM
  1. Never underestimate the ignorance of the American public. Just because 104 players were caught, does not mean that was all that were juiced. Could be many players had stopped for a while, didn't juice that year, were on a timetable. Didn't Shakespeare say something about "protesting too much". Ortiz better watch out. I don't believe, like Canseco said, 60-70% were juicers. 50% wouldn't shock me. Ortiz' power #'s don't make sense. Steroids and/or HGH. '' '04 and '06 had juiced players. So does every other team. Make everybody take bloodtests and speak under oath. Only Way! Sox Suck!

    Posted by BoomBoom58 February 24, 09 10:38 AM
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