Sox, Jays an unlikely fit?

Go get him. He would be great in a Sox uniform, especially if Beckett is not resigned and something is done with Daisuke.

Ridiculous, of course they would part with young talent to get Halladay. It's just a question of how much. Halladay is the best pitcher in the game.

This is a deal we need to make! We have more than enough prospects to make this happen, I hope Theo pulls the trigger.

well if you listen to the "big show" and "curt in the car" it's a done deal...but then again shepard was hosting...

Please, please, Messrs Beeston and Ricciardi, do not trade Roy Halladay. He
is the best pitcher in Major League Baseball and he is yours. He is the main
reason why I am a Blue Jays fan. You are in need of good pitchers, you have
the best in Roy, so why let him go? You may lose many of your fan base,
like me, if you make the mistake of trading your most previous commodity.
Thanks!

What I had heard on ESPN that Toronto wants 5-6 player with at least two being the tops in which ever organization in which they deal him to. Then add 23 million dollars over the remaining contract. Ugh, scary. The old saying that you can take it with you comes to mind here---but In your own division, its way too expensive. I would pose these questions...in this market with a team like Toronto not filling seats and having to unload payroll, and Halladay's "No Trade", how much leverage do you think they really have? Do the Yankee's have what Toronto needs?

Halladay is 32 years old and has a long injury history. He's not worth Bowden or Buchholz or both.

They have tons of leverage. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, though Lincecum is great as well. Moreover, the remainder of his contract is reasonable. Every contending team in baseball will want him.

way to scoop sonsofsamhorn again. seriously, when you people get your column ideas from that site, could you just mention them?

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The Fan590 in Toronto, when commenting on this story this AM stated they felt this was a deal tailor-made for the Red Sox - I really hope so - this guy is a stud!!! I think Toronto would go for Bucholtz, Bard & Lowrie - they are not getting 5 players as they are not dealing from strength.

If I was sox gm i would offer saito, bucholtz, lugo and $ for halladay and J.P. Arencibia, who is a young catcher on the blue jays

Celtics have a better chance of trading Mikki Moore for Kobe Bryant than the Sox have of landing Holliday

I have no idea what it would take to get him but lets play lets make a deal. Would you give up Bucholz, Bard, and Lars Anderson? (I would guess this would be a minimum)....

Dice k for halladay straight up....fair trade isn't it being a Boston fan I would love to see that happen haha even tho it won't..how about Lars Anderson and a second round pick because anderson is a top prospect and the jays need some one batting clean up for years to come. We can dream to see Roy in a redsox uniform till that happens the Yankees need to not be in the picture because he will prob be reunited with that other over paid pitcher from the jays.

Bring back Kevin Millar, too..! still a good bat.

Soxfannphilly:no the spankees really don't have the players needed.The sox do have 5/6 players and they do have the 2 top guys they would want the only piece the sox don't have is a major league ready SS unless the BlueJays would like julio,LMAO

too bad Dice is on the DL and therefor ineligible to move......maybe Dice and 1 or 2 players would do the job. its not like Toronto would have to pay the posting fee, and Dice makes less than Halladay.......

Are you kidding, I've been waiting for this time to come.I have watched Halladay pitch
for the last three years or so on Directv.
This guy is a shut down pitcher and I have never seen him really have a bad game.He gives you innings and wins.
I know that if we could get him that would be better than getting Teixeira.This guy wins and is dominate.HE's still young and best pitcher right now for sure.
I know if we don't get him the Yankees will sure pay him a gaZillion dollars.
Let the Yankees think that they are going to get him and then Redsox sweep in and take him away like that guy Tex.This guy is worth it.

Tough call. Can you have too much pitching? I don't think so. Is it worth 15M/year and to give up Buchholz? I don't know. At this point, based on past performance, Buchholz is worth more now than he will be after two years in the bigs. Using the over-inflation of Buchholz worth should help land him. If the Sox do get him, who from the rotation sits? All-star Wakefield? Do you say goodbye to Smoltz or throw him in the bullpen, slowing the development of Bard?

So many questions and plenty of time ..

The bottom,as for me,is what do the Sox do with "The Talent".........how long and how to do you keep it harnessed.They have to go some where,eventually.Is talent,something that is matured or is it because the Sox have great Scouting.Apparantly,for my two cents,it's good Scouting.So,make the trade,there will be other kids to come along.These kids (Sox Minors) are hungry for the Majors and will be responsible for the Sox' success of acquiring players like The Halladays.......I say, pull the switch and let the kids go play in the Biggies.

I was all for getting Halladay when I first heard about it....but after looking into it, this guy has not done anything in the 2nd half of the season. He is a dominant first half pitcher but usually breaks down after the All-Star break. Do not part with young taletnt, yeah he's a great pitcher but until he proves he can go a full season and perform into October, he's not worth it

Every now & then there's an opportunity to go out and get that "special" player. This is that opportunity, and player. The Sox are in a good enough position to make it happen. It would pretty much guarantee at least one more World Series title. A no brainer, it needs to get done.

Ain't gonna happen, but by all means, you rubes should keep lapping up Toronto's public relations campaign and the homer hysteria that is Boston talk radio ("Coming up after the break, more discussion about Halladay possibly coming to the Red Sox and the multiple World Series championships that he will help us win....")

Toronto will want 5 or 6 prospects from AL East team. Sox won't give up that much for a 32 year old arm with tons of mileage on it. If he was 29 maybe they could compromise and work out a deal for two top prospects, a proven reliever (i.e. Manny DelC), and a second tier prospect or two.

Why do Red Sox Fans sound more and more like Yankee fans? Don't you want to be Red Sox fans anymore? The Yankees have gone this route for ten years and what has it got them but over inflated salaries and no rings. Brown, Pavano, Johnson, Mussina(not a bad thing) and a string of other "All Stars", The team is the best team in the AL right now. What they could use is maybe another bat. Why do they need a 32 yr pitcher on the downside and eligible for free agency in less than a year and a half. Why give up 3-5 good/great players you have for the next 3-5 years for one 'old' great you'll be lucky to have for a year and a half. Addition by subtraction doesn't work here. Stop looking at what they don't have and look at what they do have. This isn't fantasy baseball and we are NOT the Yankees.

How about this trade:
Luis Tiant, Jim Rice, and Bill Buckner for Halladay? Hey, the Sox need to do nothing in the picthing area. I would rather see them go out and get Hanley R. and give up Bucholz, Lugo, Saito, and cash before we go out and giveway a young picther for an older one whom may not sign with us after 2010.

Gett'r done!!!
Make the call, the 2010 class of Free Agents will be (if nothing changes) Roy Halladay and Albert Pujols.... I would offer up Dice-K (little k this year, but has serious bounce back potential!) Buchholz, Lars Anderson and Manny Delcarmen to make it work. Offer it up and see what needs to change. Maybe you have to change Bard for Delcarmen, but if you can save Bowden, you have only improved the Boston team and that is what the farm system is for!!!

Without a healthy Mike Lowell (who we desperately need back) this team is doomed. In order to win w/o Lowell, the team ERA must go into a decline or Runs per game need to improve.... And we are in the AL East, lest we forget... an Aubrey Huff, Nick Johnson, Garret Atkins or Hank Blaylock is NOT going to make any significant impact. In fact we already have that in Kotsay!!!

It is like the batting philosophy of the great Dave Winfield... swing as hard as humanly possible or just don't bother swinging at all. GO SOX... Gett'r Done!

If this true - that Toronto would be willing to trade within the division - then we absolutely should go after Halliday. Buchholtz, Bowden, Bard, and cash for Halliday. I would do it in a heartbeat. Halliday is not only a great pitcher, he's a horse, someone who would `relieve' the bullpen.

I amazes me how naive some of these commenters are. Give up a bag of used balls to get Halladay (i.e. Saito, Lugo and Buchholz, plus Jays give us their top catching prospect)...yeah right. The reality is it would cost you at least three top prospects and/or young major league talent. Also, they are in the our division, which makes it tough to give up a bunch of young players that may come back to haunt you 18 games a year for the next several years. It isn't going to happen.

Penny, Lugo, and Bailey for Halladay?

Best pitcher in baseball! Yes, I would give up a Bucholz or Bowden - in a minute! It would probably never happen but you could raise the banner now if Halladay came to Boston. Imagine having three #1 pitchers (Beckett, Halladay, Lester) in your rotation in the post season... Wow!

Posts never fail to amaze me. Exhibit A - "1.If I was sox gm i would offer saito, bucholtz, lugo and $ for halladay and J.P. Arencibia, who is a young catcher on the blue jays" (see above) - I'm sure that you would offer that pile of junk for Halladay and a catcher! They would throw you out of the building. Are you kidding me??? Exhibit B - "how about Lars Anderson and a second round pick " - you can't trade MLB picks.
I agree he's a stud, but if they wouldnt trade for a younger Santana, they aren't going to trade for an older Halladay. Let the Yankees overpay just like CC. Yes Texiera stings, but let Theo do his job. I do agree with Tomen8r who wrote "Buchholz is worth more now than he will be after two years in the bigs."

The Jays would never trade, arguably the best pitcher in baseball, to a division rival. Stop dreaming that the Red Sox could actually make this happen.

And Johnny P, Halliday is 58-32 lifetime after the All Star break, explain how that translates into 'breaking down"

Believe in Theo he is the guy that has put these players together bring in Halladay and we have another pitcher for Terry to play patty cakes with we all know that Terry is a players manager and I can point out 6 games already this year where Terry has kept his pile of starters in to long. He sits on his hands and he has the best bull pen on earth but does not know how to manage his pitchers. So if Terry is so great trade him and with the talent that Theo has put together anybody can win with that team

dbmedia - You throw in Scalabrine and I guarantee the Lakers would do it.

what are u waiting for THEO, buckholtz bowden and anderson and we get halliday
come on now, talk about a no brainer, all those guys in the minnors are going to get old and i dont see them getting there shot in a redsox uni with all the tallent we have now so it's a perfect time to shop a few of these guys now while there young, can u say 2-3 world series with that pitching staff of beckett lester halliday wakefield smoltz penny i mean come on, as im typing this the deal should of been done, we want to win now not in 3-4 years

here is the answer...Clay, Bowden and Anderson , add a ss from the phillies for penny and there is your deal.

They need more runs, not more arms. Getting Halladay means nothing if they miss the playoffs because they lost 7 or 8 2-1, 3-2, or 4-3 games down the stretch.

Victor Martinez is the answer to their problems...and besides, if they give up half the farm system for Halladay, and he still goes and takes the Yankees' $200 million offer in the winter of 2010-2011, then where are you if you're the Sox? You're without Buchholz, Bowden, et al...and Halladay is now pitching for your most hated rival.

Get a bat; that's what they need.

...lets not forget that we STILL need a catcher and SS....trading away top prospects for pitching will leave us short when we need to fill these two positions. Need to pass on this one

Not that we wanted the BIG three from the Yankees when we had the chance to negotiate. Teixeira was the closest we got, but to let Halliday get away would be uncivilized at this point.
Give them Dice-K, Lowrie, Lars Anderson and Clay and lets call it a day and move on.
I think this team is strong enough to win the World Series this year as is, but Halliday sure would make it a less worrisome second half of the season! It would definitely mean an AL East 1st place finish and a birth to the World Series for sure!
Imagine having 3 guys in your starting rotation that all just went to the All Star game....that's crazy!

He's 32! Why give up talent for someone who is towards the end of his career! o overpay with young talent is a mistake......period!

As often is the case when a team announces that a player may be available casuses interest and attention, but the Red Sox have not indicated that they are interested in Hallady, and in fact may have no intention of pursuing such a player. While anything is possible it appears very unlikely that this player will be traded, and that the Sox have any interest at all.

Sully, regarding Halladay's "long injury history";

In the past 3 years, he has pitched 220, 225, 246 innings respectively. He is on the pace for 220 innings this season, despite a strained groin that did cost him a 15 day stint on the DL.

This is hardly a long injury history.

If J.P. really is willing to deal Halladay to a division rival, Theo would be foolish not to consider putting together a strong package. The Jays would be giving up the anchor of their rotation during a season in which they've had several key injuries on their staff, so they'll need to get back talent they can slide right into their rotation. They'd also probably be looking for one or two high-upside prospects. How about Clay Buchholz and Brad Penny? That gives them two starters both capable of dominating that may actually improve their rotation while giving them more starting depth. Theo can sweeten the deal by throwing in a high-upside, not-far-from-ML-ready position player prospect (someone like Ryan Kalish, Lars Anderson or Josh Reddick) and a high-upside-ish pitching prospect (Stolmy Pimentel? Nick Hagadone? Junichi Tazawa?). If that package won't fly, Theo can offer Toronto their SS of the future by adding Jed Lowrie for John McDonald (one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL) and a prospect. That's a big price to pay, but if Halladay is healthy and the deal can be made contingent on both parties agreeing to terms on an extension, it might be worth doing. That's a lot to give up, sure, but Halladay is a rare talent.

I'd give up Bucholz and Lowrie for Halladay easily, as long as I knew I could sign him. The question is: Would Toronto take that deal? My guess is, they would demand more. Would I give them Anderson as well? Don't know. Maybe. Would they take Dice and/or Lugo if their salaries were paid? Sure, but they would STILL want more.

Do not give up Bard under any circumstances. And remember, Toronto's asking price only goes down as time goes by. I think they'll just continue to overplay their hand until the offseason, when desperation will set in.

I hope the Red Sox do not change course and return to the past practice of trading youth for a veteran or two.

Don't go there; let other teams knock themselves out trying to get him.

I say we don't take him. I don't think we need Halladay to win, and he's too costly. Why give up so much of our farm system for one guy we don't desperately need? The long-term is going to be painful if we try to acquire Halladay. Preventing the Yankees from getting him is important, but we need to do that without trying to get him ourselves.

Hopefully a trade for a bat is in store. Several Sox typically tail off the 2nd half of the season and they should anticipate another injury to JD Drew. Pawtucket is empty so help will need to come from outside.

Halladay is NOT young. Let's not get delirious here. He's on the wrong side of his peak years, and any trade would bankrupt the Sox of nearly all of their top prospects. I understand the WIN NOW mentality, but this team needs another bat, first and foremost.

Trading to keep players away from the Yankees is the old way of doing things, something that never worked. Trade based on NEED.

Of course you try and get him! Either that or he'll be in a yankee uniform by the deadline.....
He'll let you dump Smoltz and keep Dice-K in Florida until his contract expires, perfect.

Darker Evil

Halladay for Penny, Buchholtz, and Delcarmen.
Get it done.
A front three of Becket, Halladay, and Lester will have us a WS favorites for the next 5 years.
Sure, I'd hate to lose Clay....I think the guy will be a legit Ace very soon, but Halladay is a step higher than just a legit Ace.

This is a no-brainer...we can finally rid ourselves of a couple of stiffs in our starting rotation.

halladay's price will be too high and the jays will be reluctant to ship him within the division anyway. to me, the logical trade out there is with the angels. a bowden for brandon wood trade fills each team's holes, is void of contract complexities, is a deal of equal talent, and each team would be giving up a player where they have a boatload of positional depth (sox have a surplus of starters and the angels have more 2B/SS/3B types than they can field). the halos are also seeking a veteran reliever. saito would seem to be an intuitive fit there too.

This is simple, if the best pitcher in baseball is available, if you are Theo, you go after him. If not for yourself, to at least drive the price up and keep him out of the AL!

All of you armchair GM's have no clue what you're talking about. If Boston had an old team, and our window for a championship was closing, then you would make this deal in a heartbeat! However, the sox most talented players are MOSTLY YOUNG! Ellsbury, Beckett, Dice-K, Papplebon, Pedroia, Youkelis, Lester...the nucleus of our team is all under 30. Why would you want to trade Lars Anderson (our projected replacement for Papi's bat) Bard, Masterson, Buccholz and other prospects, for a 32 year old pitcher who breaks down in the 2nd half of the season? Halladay may be the best right handed pitcher in EITHER league, but he has mileage on him! Remember Pedro when he was started getting older? He wasn't quite the same pitcher after 32, and with Steroid testing, there won't be another Clemens.
The Sox are young and need to continue drafting young talent and picking up the odd free agent here and there to suppliment their talent, as Epstein has shown as the formula to beating the Yankees. NY overspends for pitchers in their 30's. Let's not make the same mistake that they have and mortgage our future for a guy who's best days may be behind him. He can be a solid pitcher for probably 3 or 4 more years IF he stays healthy, but is that worth trading away the next 4 years with Buccholz, Bard, Lars Anderson, AND Masterson? Papi wont be here in 4 years, Wakefield will be on social security by then, Penny/Smoltz will be long gone, and Dice-K may be done too. We will be in far better shape with those young arms potentially filling the 3 empty slots than just 1. Plus those younger players will make less COMBINED than Halladay-freeing up money to spend on areas of need! We still have to consider finding a replacement for Varitek and Lowell, not to mention an everyday shortstop in the coming year.

I say forget Halliday and get Holliday. The Sox need more hitting. With the closeness in names, many will not notice the difference.

The only reason Toronto would consider a trade is if Halladay was injured more than we know and wanted to get rid of him while he was worth something. I don't feel we should give up the future for a few 'last gasp' years from Halladay. Let the Yankees have him if they want him. They won't get him for nothing.

Bucholz, Penny & Lugo should get the deal done

Yeah OK, how about Dice-K, Lugo, Saito and DelCarmen for Doc, because, hell yeah, of course the Jays would make that deal....

Let it go everyone-every time a name player comes available these fans want em no matter the cost. Sox have plenty of pitching both in Boston and the farm. Now on the other hand If JJ wants to shop Lind or Rios, lets talk

Doc Halladay is one of just a handful of sure things in this league. I'd trade 2-3 good young arms (Buch, Bowden), chances are none of them will do what Halladay does in the next 3-4 years. That trade could lock in another 1-2 WS titles. for sure, especially as he is a serious Yankee killer also.

That being said, if JP trades him in the division, he should be fired.

As far as the Red Sox are concerned, if they were to deal for Halladay, it starts with Buchholz, Lowrie, and Lars Anderson and goes on from there...

We have 7 top starters and holes all over our offense. WTF should we go after old pitching talent??

Sox won't make trade for Halladay. Asking price will be to much. Sox need prospects for trade with Minn. next year for J. Mauer.

How about Bucholtz, Bowden, Anderson and Bailey for Halliday and Rios? OK, throw in another minor leaguer or player. Bottom line is the there are just so many roster spots available each year and it's time to consolidate and go for it. How often does this kind of opportunity come up?

boston gets: halladay and v-mart

toronto gets: bowden, kalish, penny, carter

cleveland gets: saito, bates, hagadone

The problem with threads like this and talk radio is that all of these armchair GMs only look at deals from the Red Sox side. There is no way the Jays would take Lugo, Penny, or Saito in a deal. The Jays want prospects that they control for the next five years at low money; they're not going to take on mistake contracts like Lugo or players that are gone at the end of the year for arguably the best starting pitcher in the game.

You can be certain the Ricciardi is going to ask for Buchholz, Bowden, Anderson, and Bard in exchange for Halladay. He's not looking to help the team that acquires Roy, he wants a deal like the one that Cleveland got for Bartolo Colon.

If they are going to give up the farm for Halladay, then I would rather do that to get Hanley. Makes more sense. The Sox need more hitting than pitching at this point.