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The Manny who stepped into Hollywood

Posted by Eric Wilbur, Boston.com Staff  August 1, 2008 08:41 AM

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Bad deal.

Good riddance.

For anyone still left with their head stuck in soupy sand, in spite of everything we’ve learned, insisting to wave their Manny jersey in an announcement of forever fandom, this has to be a dark day. The player they defended despite multiple wounding transgressions, the player known as much for his aloof behavior as his devastating swing, the one they turned the other cheek for despite continued bouts of selfishness and confrontation was shipped out of town yesterday in a trade that shouted just how desperate his employers were to rid themselves of him.

In order to free themselves of Manny Ramirez, the Red Sox had to pay his salary, give up Brandon Moss, and surrender the Craig Hansen Project. Both names have come up in plenty of trade discussions (Moss could have been had for lefty relief in Kansas City’s Ron Mahay) over the years, the Red Sox hanging on to their promise instead. And for what? So that they could be included as throw-ins to the Pirates in a deal done at the final hour, a fraught decision by Theo Epstein and Co., who proved they needed to do anything and everything to say bye, Manny.

Call it Ramirez’s final destructive blow to the team he called home for 7 ½ seasons.

He’s Los Angeles’ problem now, re-joining former teammates Jeff Kent, Derek Lowe, and Nomar Garciaparra, who ludicrously supports Manny’s recent statements comparing the ways the two players left Boston, apparently the only town where players are not signed to lifetime deals. Under new manager Joe Torre, he may have to cut his hair. We wonder how that’s going to go down, and whether or not Frank McCourt will cower to the request in much the same way Red Sox ownership enabled him since Day 1.

Not our issue anymore.

Manny wins. He’ll be a free agent, and he made the Red Sox organization a little weaker on the way out the door. The only dig on Moss’ potential outfield career in Boston was that there was no place for him to play, and despite the conundrum that Hansen has become, Terry Francona still thought enough of him this season to put him into key situations out of the bullpen.

Jason Bay is younger and just as good as the Manny of today, but indeed not the one of yesteryear. He isn’t a future Hall of Famer. He won’t be referenced by first name with universal knowledge. He won’t entertain fans with sideshow acts and goofy moments. He’ll hit though, and that’s all the Red Sox want - and desperately need – at this stage of the game, 15 of his 22 home runs in a deep left field at PNC Park, a nice hint as to what he’ll do with the wall in left (Manny only hit eight of his 20 at Fenway). One flashing concern, Bay has hit just .190 against lefties this season, with a pair due to go for the A’s this weekend in Dana Eveland and Dallas Braden.

He’ll make his debut tonight at Fenway Park, where there will certainly be some mourning in the stands. The clubhouse, on the other hand, will be more relaxed, free of a player who many perceived was ready to quit on them, a situation that should have sparked at least some pretense of conscience in folks like Jason Varitek, JD Drew, and Daisuke Matsuzaka about their choice in agent. If indeed Scott Boras had something to do with this – as many have opined – is that the sort of man you want representing you, one that will undoubtedly get you the best deal, but also one willing to have a part in sabotaging whatever team you’re on?

I suppose we would agree with Nomar on this: Perhaps there are some similarities. Maybe these Red Sox will go on a run like their 2004 predecessors did, sparked by ridding themselves of a cantankerous headache in the clubhouse, a guy who obviously didn’t want to be there, and made it known by essentially quitting on his teammates.

Nomar sulked in the dugout at Yankee Stadium. Manny had a boo-boo knee.

They deserve each other.

In a perfect world, the Red Sox will go on to win another title, doing it this time without their hurtful slugger. Ideally, Manny will go to market in the fall only to discover nobody willing to give him the money he thought was owed to him, much like Nomar did after an unimpressive half-season with the Cubs. Garciaparra, remember, once turned down a $60 million deal. He’s earned half that number since departing Boston.

Oh, the irony if nobody is willing to give Ramirez anything more than what the Red Sox held in contract options.

It’s August now - the month of life, according to the Finnish - and Manny in Boston is no more. The Red Sox today are no better; no worse, than they were 24 hours ago, the Manny Ramirez situation casting a pall on any and every other move that needed to be made to dramatically improve a club at the crossroads of a season.

Ramirez will be forever remembered in this town as a baseball hero and an unpleasant citizen, one who could only be bothered when it was convenient for him, the complete antithesis of a team player.

He’s gone, somebody else’s problem now. And with the pangs of regret for having to surrender so much, you’d better believe there’s a sigh of relief today in all corners of Yawkey Way.


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112 comments so far...
  1. Bad deal? No deal that improves your team is a bad deal. It doesn't matter how good a hitter Manny is, if he is not producing on a consistent basis - especially if that lack of production is due to things that are well within his control - replacing him with Jason Bay is an improvement. Now he and Nomar and Martinez can go around rewriting history and blaming the evil Red Sox for running them out of town. The facts tell a different story. Each of them had an exaggerated idea of his own long-term worth. Boston's predictions in the case of both Martinez and Garciaparra have proven accurate. I hope that anyone considering signing Ramirez to a lucrative deal looks at all of the factors, including age, bat speed that appears to be declining, defensive liability, and most of all, his willingness to quit on his team for his own personal gain.

    The axiom is that you are better off trading or releasing a player a year or two too early than a few months too late. Thus it appears with Manny.

    Posted by Howard_T August 1, 08 09:37 AM
  1. I was one of the people defending Manny, but I wouldn't have minded seeing him go for the right value in return. The Red Sox needed to address a few key issues before the trade deadline, so if they had used his situation to their advantage, then I would have been all the more for it.

    Instead we have this trade. What happened to bolstering the bullpen? Instead we have one FEWER reliever. Yes, as compared to Manny we get a little more youth in Jason Bay, but we also lose a promising young outfield prospect that, if nothing else, could have been traded for some decent value all by himself.

    I could go on arguing that Manny would have calmed down for the rest of the year and not been a distraction, but at this point it doesn't even matter. This is a horrible trade no matter where you stood on the Manny issue. From what I've read and heard, many of the people who most strongly wanted him out of town yesterday are kind of left scratching their heads right now. I guess I can begrudgingly accept that some people for some reason equate off-the-field antics with the team performing poorly on the field. I just never thought Theo Epstein was one of them.

    Posted by Jeff August 1, 08 09:44 AM
  1. Despite what many of the talking heads are saying, I think that the Sox may be less talented today, but they are now a better team and TEAMS win titles. Manny being Manny was cute, but so are puppies. Unfortunately for Manny, while puppies grow up, he didn't.

    Posted by danfromva August 1, 08 09:44 AM
  1. Remember the good times, along with the bad, please. Sure, Manny (and possibly Boras) made this a seemingly necessary - although I don't know why we had to throw in two other players - deal; but through it all, we've enjoyed watching Manny play.

    Do you really think the clubhouse was that down on him?

    Posted by Jeff August 1, 08 09:49 AM
  1. Money to a big-market team like the Dodgers and Brandon Moss was too much. If John Henry hadn't equivocated for so long, it wouldn't have come down to that kind of desperation. It's not my money, but Moss would have been a 4th-outfielder upgrade at the plate.

    Posted by Brian W. August 1, 08 09:51 AM
  1. Amen

    Posted by Captain Blye August 1, 08 09:56 AM
  1. I can't help thinking that in the end, about 10 years from now, the Red Sox will get the last laugh. Manny will be inducted into the Hall of Fame -- wearing a Boston cap. Since he does not get to choose what uniform he wears in the Hall, MLB decides which team he made the most impact on. Can there be any doubt this will prove to be Boston? Ha, ha,Manny. You will in the end be a RedSox forever.

    Posted by Cheryl August 1, 08 09:57 AM
  1. Manny is definitely a fantastic hitter and a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. However, TEAMS win titles, not a gaggle of superstars. If it was strictly a superstar show, why are the Red Sox and Yankees still chasing the Rays?

    Posted by SteveZ August 1, 08 10:05 AM
  1. Redsox fans are a funny bunch! You had not won S**t before Manny, and he deliverd not one, but two world series! He allowed Papi to hit fast ball after fast ball because of his protection, and STILL hit for average and homeruns. NOW he is a PROBLEM. He's right. Look at EVERY big time player that has left Boston. Name one who is there until the end of their career. From clemens, to now Manny, the red sox treat their stars like trash. Good luck Papi hitting all the junk you will see now. lol.

    Posted by cj August 1, 08 10:08 AM
  1. MANNY IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF FOREVER

    Posted by gossip girl August 1, 08 10:14 AM
  1. The Man-Ram / Bay deal is NOT what the season hinges on........The season hinges on an ineffective BULLPEN that was NOT strenghtened at the deadline.

    Posted by Darrell, Wichita August 1, 08 10:21 AM
  1. BAD TRADE!! The Red Sox just lost one of the best players they ever had, "cry baby" or not he produced when he needed to which can't be said about some of the players on the team Manny had what it took to get the job done and if the Red Sox Office had to deal with some whining the so......... In my opinion they have made a big mistake!! Go Dodgers!!!!

    Posted by Eye August 1, 08 10:22 AM
  1. Wow, once again as a reminder, the GAME is baseball. Hitting, catching, running, pitching. Never have I seen a Good Citizenship award in baseball. Never have I seen a team win the WS because they the most eloquent players in TV interviews. Manny hit the bejezzus out of the ball. Manny played Fenway's left field to perfection. Manny sparked rallys and provided RBIs. Manny provided joy for the fans and provoked fear in opposing pitchers. Manny worked hard, despite all the nonsense you will hear to the contary. Manny will be in Cooperstown and a baseball legend when Theo and the bunch of whiny suit-wearers in the head office of the Sox are only remembered for creating another Babe Ruth-type trade. Remember all this deep in September when what was in 2004 and 2007 is not in 2008. As fro me, i'm off to buy a Dodger Cap and call the cable company to get the West Coast games.

    Posted by deborah masterson August 1, 08 10:25 AM
  1. Just pause a quick second and think of one thing---CLASS---The Sox are a world class operation!! The stuff Manny the Cocky Man has been doing, what a joke.

    Nice work Theo, now get your club heads out of the dirt and win win win.

    Posted by steven renne August 1, 08 10:26 AM
  1. The best part of Manny was how he got under the skin of all the Yankee fans. Baggy pants, dreadlocks, and 2 World Champ titles while the evil empire starts vacation early......
    We will miss Manny.

    Ok we are now officially over it.

    Posted by Tex August 1, 08 10:30 AM
  1. CJ you are an idiot.

    Every player sans clemens was at the end of his prime years. Hows Nomar and Pedro helping thier teams while consistently on the DL. Or Johnny Damon. Manny did not win 2 WS by himself. It was Team effort led by pitching and great situational baseball, with everyone contributing (Mueller/Robinson/Damon/Millar and yes Manny) but by know means can anyone person win a title i.e. Barry Bonds.
    They may suffer some power loss this year, but they have the recources to sign another bat and continue to be a top level team for years to come.

    Posted by DA August 1, 08 10:32 AM
  1. It's sad. Boston fans wanted to embrace Manny in one of those lifelong relationships that we have with the likes of Luis Tiant, Jim Rice, Dennis Eckersley, Johnny Pesky, Carlton Fisk. Players who will always be welcome in Boston and who have a long and productive after baseball career with endorsements and appearances. But instead, Manny pushed us away and chose to take the short-sighted, selfish route.

    It was a rare opportunity that he squandered and 20 years from now, he'll regret how he blew this relationship with the Boston fans.

    Posted by Ed, Watertown August 1, 08 10:38 AM
  1. I loved watching Manny play. Manny is a very colorful and talented player and I will really miss him in his Red Sox uniform. No more bathroom breaks or cell phone conversations in the Green Monster during pitching changes, no more scenes of him hugging Big Papi after big hit. You gotta' love that stuff!

    I do trust that the Red Sox management has made the right decision here and that the rest of the players and the team will be able to move on and be better able to focus on winning. While it's sad to see Manny leave Boston, nothing is forever.

    Thanks Manny for all your Red Sox home runs and RBI's ....and for making the game more entertaining. See you in Cooperstown!

    Posted by coffeemilkman August 1, 08 10:42 AM
  1. Manny-haters, you got what you wanted. Congratulations. You no doubt are high-fiving each other. So are the Yankees. And the Rays. And every other team in the AL. Because the Sox just pulled off their worst trade since trading Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater in the 70s. Why didn't John Henry just rip up Manny's options now and hope that makes him happy? Manny was happy at the start of the year, and he was raking big-time. So John Henry's feelings are hurt and he has to get rid of Manny. He should have thicker skin than that. Had Manny stayed with ripped-up options, you'd have Manny (motivated by his pending free agency) through the end of this year for $7 MM, you'd still have Hansen and Moss, and you'd get 2 high draft picks when Manny leaves. Instead, you're paying $13 MM for Jason Bay (probably a good player, but he's no Manny) through next year, you lose Hansen and Moss (neither of which is a great loss, but at least you could have used them as trade bait for other players), and you don't know whether you can keep Bay after next year or what draft picks you get if he leaves. How is that a good decision, either from a baseball or business perspective?

    Manny doesn't run out ground balls and loafs in the outfield. He's surly, selfish, only concerned about himself, and a bad role model. This morning in the Herald Gerry Callahan was complaining that Manny doesn't do community service. All valid points. So what? What he's done in 7 years is lead the Sox to 4 playoffs, 3 ALCS, and 2 WS titles. How's that for community service? Now we'll get to enjoy having a team with great character guys, while we watch other teams compete for the championship.

    Posted by Mike B August 1, 08 10:44 AM
  1. Really dumb move. We just handed the division to the Yankees.

    Posted by Alicia August 1, 08 10:46 AM
  1. cj: You are an idiot who thinks that history began with Roger Clemens. He was fat an ineffective pre-steriods, with declining health and productivity. Nomar was at the peak of his productivity (due to juicing) before his moodiness (due to juicing) impacted his behavior and caused him to sabotage his team. Please check Nomar's injury history and productivity after testing began. Coincidence? I think not. Pedro? Business decision and a good one. In the age of free agency, very few players stay with one team throughout their careers. Derek Jeter is the exception, not the rule. As for Manny, he is a great, selfish, one-dimensional player who was manipulated by the greediest, most evil person in baseball: Boras. He doesn't have the sense to know he was played like a fiddle to his own detriment.

    Posted by Ken August 1, 08 10:57 AM
  1. The Red Sox and Manny both got what they wanted - Manny got a new "employer" and the Sox got a new "employee". Isn't this how business is supposed to run? When an "employee" is unhappy (and Manny was certainly that) any good employer would make an effort to get him/her a transfer into another department or another "team" as the case may be. Sounds to me like the Sox did what any intelligent organization would do!!

    Good luck Manny and be careful what you wish for!!

    Posted by Tina Leurini August 1, 08 11:01 AM
  1. I agree with you DA... CJ is an idiot!

    Manny was a cancer in that clubhouse and needed to be removed. I agree the Sox gave up more than we all wanted... but they are a better TEAM today and have a chance to make a run at the playoffs without more Manny disruptions. They can still grab a bullpen arm or two through a trade or off waivers over the next month or so.....

    Posted by Rick Sal August 1, 08 11:04 AM
  1. Alicia, I think you're confused.....the Rays are actually in first place, not NY.

    and CJ, um....so what did Manny win for us in his first 3 seasons here? we didn't win the World Series until his 4th year here....the TEAM had gelled by then.

    to echo most of the opinions posted, I think in the long run this will prove to be a good trade. yes, we had to give up some good players, but that's what you do to make your team better overall. this is totally addition by subtraction, and I think the Nomar comparison is entirely accurate. I can't say I wish him ill will out there in la-la land, as he is an important part of Red Sox history, but the Sox are definitely better off now without him.

    Posted by K August 1, 08 11:07 AM
  1. I was one of the biggest Manny fans. But things had changed. To all who think that this is a bad deal, you are living in the past. Sure, take away the last 3 weeks and you are right. But you must live in the present and the last 3 weeks were hell. As we all saw in 04 and 07 Red Sox's, the Patroits, and 08 Celtics, team chemistry is much more important than superstars. And the Red Sox's chemistry was becoming toxic.

    I am very sad Manny is gone. He was one of the best hitters in my 54 year life. But he acted like a baby and did not care about the team anymore. It was clear he quit on them. He was ruining the season for the 24 other players as well as the fans of Red Sox's nation. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do what hurts. The Red Sox's management did the right thing.

    Posted by flyingt August 1, 08 11:09 AM
  1. Ed, Watertown, and others who may think about Manny's future regrets: Sadly, after observing Manny's career in Boston, I do not believe he is capable of regretting anything connected with Boston. In my opinion he will remain too self-absorbed (I've chosen a nice word) to consider anything outside of himself, something which became evident through his dealings, or lack of them, connected with groups and individuals (documented over the years), both on and off the field.
    I admire and respect the players you mentioned and agree they're always welcome in Boston. But Manny isn't in that class. He has no class.

    Posted by Mark2 August 1, 08 11:09 AM
  1. Bottom line--he HAD to go. Boras and Manny orchestrated their coup to perfection. It is amazing that any team even deals w/that snake. He makes Drew Rosenhaus seem like Mother Theresa. Why do teams not draft players that are Boras clients??? He is a scumbag. And he turned Manny into a punk. Manny had his deals--but never outward to the organization or fans. Ooops, I forgot 2006. Nomar was just as petulant, injury prone and declining because, ummm, well let's just say he probably isn't taking Cover shots for sports magazines with his shirt off anymore. Same with Clemens. Clemens has been proven to be a liar and a cheat--a TOTAL scumbag. His "twilight" years were extended by illegal substances--period. Pedro--once again great in his prime--but after 85 pitches you were taking your chances (attention Grady Little!!!)--and was probably the worst out of the bunch in his "individualism". Here is hoping that Manny signs with the Mariners next year and fits into a last place team but gets his "deserved payday".

    Posted by rick August 1, 08 11:09 AM
  1. Good riddance, Deborah Masterson and all others like you. If that's how you feel, then you are not a true Sox fan- you are a Manny fan and the definition of a pink-hat fair-weather fan. I have been a huge defender of Manny for months. Yes, Manny did all those great things and was crucial to 2 titles, but in the end he threw it all away for money, more of OUR money. In today's economy, with most of us struggling, how are you liking those ticket prices to see a game at Fenway, prices that are so high mainly to pay his kind of ridiculous salary? That's the bottom line here. What he did is an insult to all of us, the ones who made him rich beyond all reason. And you are more than happy and willing to be held ransom to his massive ego and insatiable greed? Good for you- have fun watching the Dodgers continue to suck.
    In the end the Sox brass had absolutely no choice and Manny made sure of it with his greed. This is exactly the same situation as with Nomar in '04: everyone screamed about what a terrible trade it was, but the improved chemistry is what brought us our first title in 86 years. That may or may not happen again this year- probably not, since there are other personnel problems beyond Manny that needed to be fixed and weren't. If he hadnt insisted on making himself the center of attention maybe we could have focused on fixing those other needs instead of all eyes on him and his massive ego. I loved his hitting and even his antics for the last 7 years as much as anyone, but enough is enough. Hope he and Nomar have a good time co-miserating and trashing the Sox when they're out on the golf course in early October.

    Posted by saz_guitar August 1, 08 11:15 AM
  1. One more thing, Manny won't get 20 million in a new contract at his age. He will get less than the Red Sox were going to pay him in his 2 option years. Stupid move on his part, his best years are behind him.

    Posted by FlyingT August 1, 08 11:15 AM
  1. DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! If you're a Manny fan this hurts. If a Sox fan, releived. Now maybe we can play baseball professionally without "Planet Ramirez" soap opera distractions practically daily. The bottom line in my opinion is he was never again going to play real baseball consistently in Boston. Management did what had to be done, not just for this year's race but for the future. I go back to the days before pouting, petulent prima donnas when players had the self-discipline of grown men. Call me out of date but don't call me a "Manny First" fan.

    Posted by Norm Bayes, 67, Orlando, FL August 1, 08 11:15 AM
  1. You media elite types are all the same. Just because Manny doesn't kiss your butt, you don't like him. Never mind the fact he works hard on his hitting and is frequently the first one into the park to watch video, you guys just don't like him. This team will now finish third and you can go golfing in October instead of covering the Sox.

    Posted by sjcres August 1, 08 11:16 AM
  1. Right on, Tina. You hit the nail on the head. It's about time someone realized this! I have loved Manny for so many years. But if ANY of us had treated our employers the way Manny treated his, we would all be fired. Manny got fired yesterday.

    Posted by Sean August 1, 08 11:21 AM
  1. sjcres: "Media elite"? Eric is a sports page blogger, and a good one... he is not a political wonk. So save your culture warrior terminology for the local NRA meeting. Your words are perfect: Manny works on his hitting and watches video.... to improve his hitting. He is a hitting machine, but baseball also includes fielding, throwing and running, three things in which Manny is deficient and inconsistent in the application of his 30+ years of learning. Baseball is also a team game, and Manny, like Nomar and Pedro before him, could care less and made it obvious that he was more important than the other 24 men. So let him go to LA, cut his hair for Joe Torre (prediction, the dreads are gone in a charity event by next weekend), and negotiate a new contract next year. Buh bye.

    Posted by Ken August 1, 08 11:26 AM
  1. I liked Manny as a hitter. His goofisms were funny for awhile but grew old. He grew old. 36 years old in the majors is no time to sign a major 4 year deal. The Sox need to look to the future. They'll pick up someone huge in the next couple of years.

    As for Papi being ineffective, give it time, pictures will still have to deal with the most clutch hitter in baseball history.

    Posted by mjb August 1, 08 11:32 AM
  1. I've watched Manny play and be interviewed/quoted enough times to conclude that he is the definition of an idiot savant. great talent. head full of rocks. sprinkle an ounce of crazy over those rocks too. let's also not forget the incredible selfishness he's always displayed. thanks for the great moments, and good riddance for the bad ones. i'm glad he's gone. regardless of what happens, this is a team i can feel proud of and want to really pull for.

    Posted by John O August 1, 08 11:34 AM
  1. When I got home yesterday and found out that Manny was gone, I actually felt sick and had to sit down and "get it together", so to speak. My four kids thought I was nuts! I'm still not sure how to feel right now about it, because I firmly believe the Sox HAD TO IMPROVE THE BULLPEN if their is any chance for making the postseason. That should have been priority #1, end of conversation. I also feel some deep sadness for how Big Papi must be feeling right now...let's all hope that the remainder of the season the Sox will pull together and re-group and find a way to get through this as a TEAM, and push forward with all their collective talent and respect for the game, and start getting serious about defending their title as World Champions.

    Posted by Amy August 1, 08 11:41 AM
  1. I just hope David Ortiz is okay. Almost all of his countrymen are gone. Maybe we should bring back Millar to keep his spirits up. Lets move on and see what the season brings. The schedule still favors the Sox. The Angels can rip huge swaths in our competiton in the AL east. Then we will deal with them in October. If anyone has seen the real Josh Beckett please tell him to report to the clubhouse.

    Posted by A train August 1, 08 11:44 AM
  1. love this move. people hated the Nomar deal as well but it turned out fine. dealing with Manny's BS every July/August made me miss Carl Everett. now we have a guy thats 7 yrs younger with similar numbers batting on a lousy team and we've freed up some money for next year. i would have traded manny just for prospects and would have been willing to write off this season if it meant getting rid of him.

    Posted by graham August 1, 08 11:46 AM
  1. These Red Sox managment doesn't learn, what stupid move they just did, only because they want to show their power against a player, without thinking in another championship, like you guys did with rogers clements, Martinez, Garciaparra and Baby ruth, come on, is time to be mature and start thinking better, when a problem with a player arise, you should try to resolve it talking and talking with the player, dont trade the player without talk good. YOU NEVER TALK SERIOUSLY WITH MANNY THIS TIME BUNCH OF DRAMA QUEENS.

    Posted by omar cruz August 1, 08 11:46 AM
  1. Manny = King Wilson

    Posted by treys August 1, 08 11:55 AM
  1. The trade of Manny will haunt Boston for the 21st Century a la "Curse of the Bambino". Get used ti it, Red Sox Nation.

    Posted by dodgerblue August 1, 08 12:00 PM
  1. FORMER Red Sox Nation Member is crazy or is 8 years old. Don't care about getting hits? having fun is more important? High fives? are you a baseball fan? he was begging to leave because he wanted a new contract, and no smart business owner would give him that at his age and track record. he wanted them to offer him a new long term contract before it made logical sense for them to do that. It makes no sense to keep him with his attitude. and his teammates were done with him, what's more to say?

    Posted by jeff Yas August 1, 08 12:00 PM
  1. I'll weigh in my two cents here. I live and die with the Red Sox as much as anyone. I get to a game only once every several years. It happens that I had tickets to the bum-knee game against the Yankees last week. The team I saw play that day was distracted and overmatched. I really think "Manny being Manny" had finally deteriorated into a full-blown cancer. When you have guys that will run through a wall for the other twenty-four guys on the roster (Tek, Youk, Lowell, Crisp, Pedroia, Beckett, Paps to name a few), a jerk like Ramirez has to finally wear on you. Maybe they could put up with it when there was no alternative - no way to move Manny. Maybe this year, the players could see the light at the end of the tunnel (no Manny) and just couldn't take it any more.

    Even Super-Enabler David Ortiz has stopped trying to defend this guy. I'm sure Scott Boras has been whispering in Manny's ear all year, but it was Manny that changed agents. Do you think he would stip long enough to think about what Scott's motivation might be in advising Ramirez this year? Or does he even care? Here's hoping he has as much trouble as Barry Bonds finding a job next year. The idiot savant of hitting became just an idiot this year.

    Posted by Steve Wood August 1, 08 12:15 PM
  1. Manny had to go, in a situation that was even worse than the Nomar drama. The root of all evil this time is really Scott Bor ass. Manny was happy until he switched agents. Too bad we cannot trade him for an agent to be named later!

    Posted by Bosoxer1946 August 1, 08 12:18 PM
  1. So you changed the title. Maybe because only an idiot would call a first ballot hall of fame player who brought this city two world series rings (two more than all the beloved Sox of yore did thank you very much). Here's hoping the Red Sox never win another title as long as any of you live, you pathetic, arrogant idiots.

    Posted by neveragain August 1, 08 12:21 PM
  1. My God. Was this written by a thirteen year-old tween rejected by her first major crush? Seriously, you guys are so over-the-top melodramatic, it makes the pop-psychologist in me giddy. It's so obvious you're sad he's gone, why not just admit it instead of being a major jerk about it?

    There's nothing wrong with being disappointed that things didn't work out, but you don't need to go on a hissy-fit about how Nomar and Manny deserve each other. It's shallow and low-class. The man gave us two World Series. Show some effing gratitude.

    Posted by Paul Rodriguez August 1, 08 12:22 PM
  1. Hey Omar -- Dan Duquette has been giggling his arse off due to the vindication he has received over Roger juice-man Clemens. Martinez, Garciaparra -- both proved Management correct with their performance post Red Sox.

    I agree with the others in that teams win championships. Individuals do not. Manny's childish cherry picking of when he wants to be a team player no longer resonated with the team.

    The best possible team he could have gone to is the Dodgers. Torre is the master at dealing with over inflated egos and head cases, and National League pitchers? are you kidding me right now? Manny is going to reign supreme there.

    Manny is gone, get over it. I sure have.


    Posted by Bye Manny August 1, 08 12:23 PM
  1. Scott Boras will burn in hell. Manny is borderline retarded. Boras has played him like a violin. Boo-hoo, he got no "respect"? Did he ever give any? The fans, including me, forgave him everything. No more... good riddance!!!!

    Where are Pedro and Nomar now? Losers!!! And Clemens? a cheat, a snake and an ingrate!!!

    When are the powers that be in baseball going to band together, and show absolutely no interest in anyone who chooses to go with Scott Boras?

    Posted by Doe Pichard August 1, 08 12:25 PM
  1. Uh Dodgerblue, you do know he was leaving at the end of this year anyway right?

    National League, where running bases down hard is pretty much a requirement of the job. Y'all better pray for lots of long balls from Manny as 5.7 to reach 1st isn't exactly NL player material is it?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


    Posted by Dodgers love Manny now -- toooo funny August 1, 08 12:28 PM
  1. Not to defend quitting on the team, but the other Manny Moments . . . well sometimes a guy has to act differently to get different results. And Manny's career numbers are definitely proof that his madness works for him, because his number are very different (read "better") than your typical player's. We will miss that singular offensive presence in our lineup until we get another future HOFer.

    As for management, it's too bad they couldn't swallow some of their pride and simply tell Manny they intended to pick up his option barring some catastrophic injury. It would have settled him down and made this thing go away. Their job is to give the fans what we want, and we wanted a happy hitting Manny. Oh Manny, we harldy booed ya!

    Posted by Bring Back Pokey August 1, 08 12:29 PM
  1. How come people don't learn "When there are 24 other players(which is all) in the team want you out, then you got to be out". It was reaching that point, so the ownership got to trade him.

    Simple as that, there wasn't any choice.

    Posted by team August 1, 08 12:33 PM
  1. Bravo, Wilbur!!!! Toe the company line!! No need to go expressing your own opinion and getting fired during a recession. Hey.....have you gotten any RAISES during Manny's time here? The fact that the Sox won 2 World Series here and helped make sure the Sox even MATTER put food on your table. If you weren't ripping on Manny, what would you and the CHB be doing????

    EW: You're kidding me, right?

    Posted by Chris L. August 1, 08 12:34 PM
  1. why the bashing??? its over. according to Sox management, they "won". of course, we won't know who really wins this little ummm.....for lack of a better term...p*ssing contest, until October. Was Manny's presence so distracting that Theo forget we are 14-17 in 1-run games??? I sure hope Jason Bay is a reliable setup man...................

    again, the jury is still out on the moves, but I would have to say yesterday's winners are LA, Manny, the Rays and Yanks.........it was fun while it lasted, eh?

    Posted by Chris L. August 1, 08 12:43 PM
  1. So.............which hat does he wear when he is inducted into the baseball hall of fame?..................

    Posted by gb August 1, 08 12:48 PM
  1. Team, now, no better, no worse? You couldn't be further off base. This team is 100% better and will prove it. Have you watched these guys the past month?

    The Manny Cancer has been successfully cut out, and the playoffs are now at least a possibility.

    Posted by Bob from Ft. Myers August 1, 08 12:57 PM
  1. While I will miss the playful antics of Manny and, more importantly, his bat behind Papi in the lineup, I think this is a good move by the Sox and only time will tell with this trade and that is how it should be judged. This move may be weakening the team in the short-term but what happens if the Sox take the money saved from Manny and sign Texiera or another powerful bat or two and still have Bay in the fold for next season? The Sox front office mentality is to field a high level team consistantly year to year (more like the Braves) than the old Yankees "pay to win today" mentality. Trust Theo and the team folks, they were more responsible for the 2 rings than Manny ever was...

    Posted by Dana C August 1, 08 01:00 PM
  1. I'm going to be original and not pretend that I know what the locker room chemistry is like with or sans Manny. I only know that he was a great player, is a good player, and that if you gave him a pop quiz on what division he's in right now he'd probably fail. I don't lend credence to any strong opinion at this point, because I think any true fan just has an unsettled sense of hope in Theo right now as they did four years ago.

    Posted by sk August 1, 08 01:01 PM
  1. A comment from a Yankee fan:
    I'd be lying to all of you guys if I said that I was sad to see him go. He owned Yankee pitching, owned Moose, owned the Stadium as he was in my opinion, the most feared Red Sox hitter against the Yanks as Ted Williams was. Manny and Papi were the best 3-4 hitters in the game.
    Having said that, I think that Boston will be a better team without him. You guys still have a great line up. Pedroia is a solid lead off hitter and 2B, Youkilis is a tough out Lowell is a great at the hot corner and Drew is having a solid season. I think that you guys are going to like Jason Bay. He's the type of player that Boston fans will love. He plays hard, is an all star, a team first type of guy and he'll fit in nicely with that line up. I still think that the Red Sox are better than the Yanks.

    Posted by John G August 1, 08 01:07 PM
  1. CJ,

    Your quote "Name one who is there until the end of their career.'

    I guess you've never heard of Ted Williams?

    1941-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    1942-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    1942-AL-Triple Crown
    1946-AL-MVP
    1947-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    1947-AL-Triple Crown
    1949-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    1949-AL-MVP
    1957-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    inducted int the hall of fame in 1966

    Maybe Carl Yastrzemski? You know him?

    All-Star
    1963 *
    1965
    1966
    1967 (LF)
    1968 (CF)
    1969 *
    1970 (CF)
    1971 (LF)
    1972 (LF)
    1973
    1974 *
    1975 *
    1976 *
    1977 (CF)
    1978
    1979 (1B)
    1982 *
    1983 *

    Awards
    1967-ML-Hutch Award
    1967-ML-Major League Player of the Year
    1967-AL-MVP
    1967-AL-Triple Crown
    1970-ML-AS MVP

    Gold Gloves
    1963-AL--OF
    1965-AL--OF
    1967-AL--OF
    1968-AL--OF
    1969-AL--OF
    1971-AL--OF
    1977-AL--OF

    Ok, there's two according to my caluclations. Pretty decent players too it looks like.

    Posted by MDB August 1, 08 01:10 PM
  1. You all have a lot of free time to write so much. Sox are toast

    Posted by KW August 1, 08 01:14 PM
  1. What most are failing to aknowledge is the fact that Manny was going to be gone after this season anyway. For that reason, the trade was not as bad as people may think. It's true that the Sox lost a promising pair in Moss and Hansen, but they gained a proven performer in Jason Bay. Bay plays EVERY day and appears to be a team player. Surely this will be an improvement over these last 8 years of erratic and unprofessional behavior. Getting a player like Bay in return for Manny is FAR better than getting nothing.

    Posted by Chris August 1, 08 01:19 PM
  1. Eric,

    You're a Phish fan! God Bless!

    - Colonel Forbin

    Posted by Colonel Forbin August 1, 08 01:21 PM
  1. Yes, Manny can be a GREAT hitter. But what no one seems to be focusing on is - he is great ONLY WHEN HE WANTS TO BE. And, for whatever crazy reasons he had (the contract, the money, the management - whatever), he decided that he no longer wanted to play in Boston. How is THAT any good to the team? He was not going to help them win another WS title this year anymore than if I was playing LF myself. So, now we have a new, talented young LF - who is probably EXCITED to play in Boston and push for another title. Yes, we had to give up more than probably anyone wanted to make it happen. But it absolutely had to happen.

    Posted by PM August 1, 08 01:33 PM
  1. Manny = King Wilson!! That's pretty damn funny, although I dont think he was nearly as evil as Wilson.

    As for all of you who are crying over Manny's departure and think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, answer me this - what did the Red Sox ever to do Manny aside from put up w/ 95% of his BS, pay him $20mil/year and win 2 World Series titles? MANNY DIDNT WIN any of those World Series by himselves folks, the Red Sox won them AS A TEAM!! And when Manny says crap like "The Red Sox dont deserve a player like me", then he's putting himself above the team - and that isnt right no matter how many HRs and RBIs he puts up. Francona is considered a players manager and yet even he couldnt take any more of Manny's crap.

    Dont kid yourself people, Manny (and Scott Boras) wanted out of Boston and he got what he wished for. It may not have been a great trade but let's at least see what Bay does here before we write him off. We won a World Series after Nomar left, we won a World Series after Pedro left and we can win another World Series after Manny leaves too. Whether or not that happens this year is up for debate, but it's not like we were heavy favorites even with Manny in our lineup!! The Angels are clearly the class of the league right now (although we'll see how they do come October) and the Yanks greatly improved themselves over the past week. Then you have the Rays, the ChiSox and the Twins, all capable of knocking off the Sox in the playoffs even if Manny were still here.

    Manny got what he wanted - please dont blame Theo, John Henry, Terry Francona or anyone else besides Manny for what happened. All he needed to do was shut his mouth and play baseball for the last 2-3 months, yet he couldnt even do that. Sayonara Manny, thanks for 7+ yrs of crushing the ball but please dont let the door hit you on the way out!

    Posted by marco esquandolas August 1, 08 01:33 PM
  1. On the managers side, Willie Randolph was having the exact same affect on his Mets team. It played out in a NASTY way, just like the Manny method. A potentially dysfunctional clubhouse, no team support, lack of communication, front office malaise, hopping mad fans, loyal Willie supporters, Willie playing the race card in the press though that did not happen with Manny. And, a sports press commenting fiercely. The Mets have a near 65% winning percentage since the dysfunction was made functional. Focused baseball is now being played. Perhaps the Sox will play .700 baseball over a similar 39 game stretch going forward.

    Posted by CBE August 1, 08 01:50 PM
  1. Problems the Dodgers now have:

    1. Increased demand for tickets
    2. Find a use for heavy inflow of new RBI's
    3. Decide who's career to drastically improve by having Manny protect him in the lineup.
    4. Cancel vacation plans for October

    Posted by Deano August 1, 08 01:54 PM
  1. "He is a hitting machine, but baseball also includes fielding, throwing and running, three things in which Manny is deficient and inconsistent in the application of his 30+ years of learning. " Like it or not, most teams would put up with bad left field defense and not so great speed for someone who can hit like Manny can. Manny's arm isn't that bad and he did figure out how to play the wall in left. But, baseball is mostly pitching and hitting. All the other stuff isn't quite as important.

    Will we be celebrating this move when the Sox finish 3rd or 4th and the Dodgers get into the postseason?

    Posted by sjcres August 1, 08 01:57 PM
  1. Manny has been an amazing hitter and one of the best Fenway left fielders we've ever had. As much as I miss his bat, I won't miss his unprofessional conduct that obviously grates against JD, Pedroia, Yook, etc. - players making way less (for the most par) and working really hard.

    I personally believe Boras worked his client like a tool. I remember Tek's "gotta feed my family" comments that pissed folks off. I think Tek was embarassed in the end.

    Too bad honor has little to do with players these days. It's all greed greed greed.

    Manny has so much money now, you'd think he'd consider dropping a few million to solidify his legendary status with one of the most storied baseball franchises in history. But I guess not...

    Posted by Charles Staples August 1, 08 02:00 PM
  1. As a Dominican Red Sox fan all I have to say is that the trade of Manny seems to me the same as the one that happened some 90 years ago with the Babe.
    I just pray and hope that the MANNY GHOST doesn't take ver BoSox and course them over 86 years again.
    MANNY will be the best player(after Ted) that Red Sox could ever have in their lineup. Lets see if Pappy now is as good as Theo and Henry think that he is.
    Go Manny Go. Pa' lante Coño!!!!

    Posted by Hreyes August 1, 08 02:03 PM
  1. I agree with Mike B.
    If John Henry had ripped up the options, Manny would have been happy. If we could have gotten good value for him then trade him but not with that trade. We needed relief pitching & we gave up relief pitching. This was an emotional trade not a smart business trade because John Henry's feelings were hurt. The upper management refused to give Manny an answer about his options. They would have avoided this situation & the sox would have been better off then now.
    Manny acted like a baby, no doubt. He's an idiot but Theo & crew are intelligent people who should know how to handle baby athletes to make the team better. They clearly lost control of this situation and hurt the team.

    Posted by Mike R August 1, 08 02:09 PM
  1. I have read comments about manny acting like an 8 year old, and quitting on his team, and that Theo Epstein had had it. does anyone else see the irony here- Theo reminded me of an 9 year old when HE quit on the team a few years back on Holloween.

    Posted by mark gorman August 1, 08 02:16 PM
  1. I can't believe what I'm hearing from so many people on here? Bay is locked up for next year at 7.5 million, which frees up a lot of money to bolster the pitching staff, I think getting 80% of Manny's production for 40% of the money, with the option to let him go after next year if it doesn't work out, is a phenomenal option. I think they can still win this year without question, and think about it this way, would you rather have 2 picks next year when Manny would obviously opt out, or Jason Bay at 7.5 million? I think that's a no brainer.

    In baseball, unlike Basketball, one guy only get's to contribute as much as the next, Manny's 4 at bats per game were NOT the sole reason for 2 WS titles, anybody who posts that is a moron.

    Posted by Tim J August 1, 08 02:18 PM
  1. Criticizing Manny for hitting "only" 8 of his 20 homeruns at Fenway is beyond stupid, especially for someone who continually points out how much better this team is at home than on the road.

    And, for as much as you keep mentioning that Nomar turned down a $60 million dollar deal, you don't seem to want to report the other half of the story.

    Posted by J-Bone August 1, 08 02:18 PM
  1. Hey folks Manny was not a god for the red sox the guy did not want to play could not run out anything for a base hit. He was manny for himself a lousy outfeilder. Yes he could hit but only when he wanted to not when you needed him too. He was not worth the 20 mil a year he got ifhe was priced right he would be worth 5-7mil for his play. I personally think the Red Sox should retire the Number 24 to the real hard working player who wore it Dwight Evans! yes a better feilder and hitter than manny. SO with manny out in LA he can hag around with anohter whiner Nomar! and the Lush Lowe! There are other Red Sox who were much better than Manny because they had one thing and it was being a team player. Let him be a free agent next year sign where ever he wants because if he comes to fenway he will get allot of Boos from real Red Sox fans not these lets keep him and the team magement is greedy moron fans. Manny showed bad things about how kids should act in Baseball games that by being a what about me player and how lazy I can be in the game type of player. Manny showed how stupid people can be when thay make so much money and think they are the best by stupity. Now that Manny is out in LA he can also hang out with the airheads out there like Paris Hilton they should both get along great!

    Posted by Roomeister August 1, 08 02:46 PM
  1. That Theo & JH gave away $7million and Brandon Moss is a real testimony to how much value they placed in getting Manny OUT of town.

    Manny was not worth the $20 million either next year of the year after. It will be amazing to see who pays $84million for 4 years of declining production while Theo upgrades the rest of his roster with his new found money.

    Posted by Mac August 1, 08 02:52 PM
  1. If any of you Manny fans/enablers acted this way at your profession, regardless of how good you are at it, you wouldn't have a job.

    Manny was a great hitter, is now a good hitter but is he really someone worth rooting for? He embarrasses his profession. Do you tell your children that's how the game should be played, that's how you should act in life?

    The Red Sox may now be a little bit shorter on talent but they are a much more satisfying team to watch and root for.

    Posted by Kevin August 1, 08 02:57 PM
  1. Get over it Wilbur. You and your media pals chased one of the best hitters to ever play for the Red Sox out of town. I hope Jason Bay does well as a Sox, but your garbage about Manny being so terrible comes off sounding ignorant and hateful. I hope Manny and LA make it to the Series---and I hope they face the Red Sox.

    Posted by ron August 1, 08 02:57 PM
  1. Let's get onto Nomar's comments....What has he ever won? When was the last time he played a full season? Can anyone say steroids? Manny and Nomar together again...What a wonderful pair.

    Posted by Harvey August 1, 08 03:17 PM
  1. Manny's removal will prove to be Boston's best chance at back to back titles. He was a cancer; just rewatch the soundbites from his teammates in recent days. They wanted him gone. Lose your teammates and your toast. Good riddance Manny, but thanks for the memories. See you at the hall.

    Posted by jkg August 1, 08 03:53 PM
  1. I do not know what has been more boring to watch, Manny's petulance or Brett Favre's arrogance. Good riddance to both. The Red Sox are much better off without Manny the quitter, regardless of his PAST accomplishments. A cancer like that needs warm weather to massage his ego.

    Posted by Packerhater August 1, 08 03:58 PM
  1. Manny was a real ballplayer. And he won everything for the Red Socks.

    Williams and Yastrzemski were both garbage. Especially Williams who
    would throw fits and complaining about his shoulder. Say not so nice things
    about Williams, but say terrible things about Manny.

    I say good riddance to the both of them. Boston never won anything with
    these two over rated!

    Manny, good luck and I hope you make a lot of money.

    Posted by John August 1, 08 04:12 PM
  1. CJ: you are complete moron who doesn't understand that pitching and defense wins championships, not offense. They went 86 years without a title because the Yawkey regime was more interested in signing big hitters instead of pitchers. In 2004, Shilling and Keith Foulke were the primary reasons they won. Without Josh Beckette and Pabelbon last year, we wouldn't have won. You do not need 5-6 .300+ hitters in your lineup to win. Look at the 2005 white sox; they had only 1 Paul Konerko. As far as their offense is concerned, Ortiz handedly won games 4 & 5 in the 2004 ALCS, not manny.

    Not signing Nomar and Pedro turned out to be brilliant moves. Nomar turned down a 4 year 60 million contract and Pedro's arm was junk.

    Hey HREYES: Jimmie Foxx was the best right handed hitter in Red Sox history, not Manny. He avergaed 129 RBI's in 6 full seasons despite only playing an average of 143 games. Back then they played 154 games per year.

    Posted by ed August 1, 08 04:21 PM
  1. Losing Moss may haunt us later, just like the Murphy deal last year. Who knows....Hansen might get his act together too. With Bay coming in Crisp's playing time will dwindle and so may be more unhappiness.

    Manny +7Mil+ Moss+ Hansen for Bay. Guess Theo wanted Manny out so badly. Could we have just made Manny inactive and played Moss and let Manny walk at the end of the season?

    We have no clue to what was going on in the clubhouse. I hate to see Nomar being dragged into this situation. Leave him alone, please. He did evrything that Sox asked him for.

    Posted by Mani V August 1, 08 04:25 PM
  1. Jason Bay had better do very well this year, because the Sox could easily have put Manny on the 60 day DL with his knee injury and told him to go home, and they would still have Moss, Hansen, and 2 first round draft picks. If Bay doesn't produce down the stretch and help the team to the postseason this move is a collosal bust.

    Posted by internet_king August 1, 08 04:50 PM
  1. Whoever wrote this has never actually watched him play: "Manny played Fenway's left field to perfection." Are you kidding me?

    Posted by Andrew Allen August 1, 08 04:52 PM
  1. I love how the Manny apologists are trying to spin this and blaem the Red Sox. The y would eat Sh@# if Manny told them to, how pathetic. The bottem line is that this loser QUIT on his team time and time again. How people can support someone like that is absolutely PATHETIC. He hired Boras and then went on hs mission of shooting his way out of town. He is one of the most despicable athletes in Boston sports history (blowing off injured soldiers at Walter Reed Hospital and the kids with cancer, beating up a 64 year old man). Keep defending thisn LOSER and keep eating his SH@#. PATHETIC.

    Posted by kmplicsw August 1, 08 04:54 PM
  1. Ridiculous.

    Vince Lombardi said it best - "I'll play you until I get somebody BETTER than you."

    Is Bay better than Manny - h!@#@ no.

    When I saw the deal, I thought Moss & Hansen for Bay was a pretty fair swap.

    The Sox could then use Bay as LEVERAGE against Manny - i.e. we brought him here as the 4th OF. If you'd like YOU could be the 4th OF - Oh and if we pick up your option, we'll see what your market value is after a year and a half on the bench. How does that sound?

    This is the way it works in even moderately well run corporations. If I have the leverage & choose to use it, the company makes contingency plans & reduces my leverage until there is less risk.

    Take a page from the Yankees (can't believe I'm saying that...) - when they cut bait with a headache (read: Raul Mondesi), they have another player in place 1st! Same with Ol' Vince. Same with Bill B. Teams that do what the Red Sox did end up losing. Latest example is the Jets with Pete Kendall, or the Raiders with Randy Moss, or the Eagles with TO.

    With Manny & Ortiz, the Sox simply needed to make the playoffs & they were dangerous in Oct. Now, if the Sox had overpaid for a Manny-like player (read: Texiera) then they're still a dangerous team. But, instead they overpaid for JASON BAY!

    As one person accurately put it - the Yankees made THREE great trades this week (Nady, Pudge & Manny). This is NOT the Nomar trade - the Sox are weaker & the Yankees / Angels are stronger - period.

    This is the end of an era. Then again, I could be wrong - I was at Game 7 in 2003 and I thought it was the worst loss in the history of the franchise & would set the Sox back a decade. Then they signed Schilling & Foulke.

    So they might make a move in the offseason - it's just a shame that 2008 is going down the tubes.

    Posted by Drew August 1, 08 04:56 PM
  1. I don't know why the sox, who really didn't want manny after this season and hadn't wanted him for some time, did not just tell manny or officially notify him that his options would have been picked up at season end. We would have had one of the greatest hitters of his time on a mission instead of what we had. Manny could have left in good standings, we could have kept our players, could have at least gotten two more draft choices and somebody else would have given him his payday next year. I think there was a lot of greed on both parts of this deal. I think management was hoping that Manny would Have a Monster year and they would still have him for 2 years at realtivly low money for his talent or be able to trade him for a better package then they got. I am not saying they are totally at fault, believe me there is plenty of fault to go around, but they have to take some of the blame for this as well. Let's not forget that they have set the stage for Manny and others to have these little quirks by putting up with them for so long. Funny how Johnny D trimmed up nicely for the Yanks LOL. And before you get all bent out of shape about the Scot Boras thing don't forget we have a player that opted out of his contract and signed BIG BUCKS with us, when there were no other bidders, who just happens to have the same agent. Looks like what goes around comes around. I know the Dodgers are laughing thier asses off Cause they have a Man on a mission, we have a man still trying to find himself, and we are paying for both of them !!

    Posted by AL August 1, 08 05:16 PM
  1. How much longer were we supposed to wait for Hansen, when he's 65? He's no big loss. Hansen's story here is that It goes to show that you don't win gmes with scouting reports, you have to have something between the ears.

    Bay is a heck of a player. He's not that far less than the Manny of today. The Manny of 3-4 years ago isn't happening. And, I don't expect Bay to do drunken flops trying to catch fly balls in short left and laughing about it. With this cast around him, Bay might improve his average with men on base and lets see how he deals with the pressure. I did hate to see Moss go, but it had to happen.

    Manny was great here, true, the championships were great but its time to move on.

    Posted by Terrible T August 1, 08 05:23 PM
  1. You Manny defenders are nuts.

    I think Manny has historically gotten a bad rap. People say he's lackadaisical in the field, but I have always thought that Manny's relaxed style was actually the right way to play left field in Fenway. That left field eats you up if you overplay things. And the casual way Manny threw actually improved his release time and got the ball back into the infield quicker.

    So I'm not a knee-jerk Manny hater. I "got" him. But if you refuse to play, or pretend you're hurt, or refuse to swing the bat because you didn't want to pinch-hit - you're gone. I don't care if you're Bab Ruth.

    Posted by Brian August 1, 08 05:26 PM
  1. Can anyone imagine Bill Belichek allowing Manny on his team? Manny would have been "Manny being Dropkicked" in Foxboro. The Patriots win by NOT having MORONS like Manny on the team. Wht do Red Sox fans put up with Manny but accept the Pats kicking miscreants like him out of town.
    The Pats are correct in Not having disruptive influences on the team. Yet they WIN.
    The Red Sox and their fans should remember this. Cancer (like Manny) KILLS. Manny is a cancer . DR. Theo excised him. Hopefully the patient will thrive now.

    Posted by GERSH August 1, 08 05:40 PM
  1. I can't fault Red Sox management for not wanting to entrust the fate of the rest of the season to a nutcase. It's that simple. See ya, Manny. Have a nice life. Now can somebody please help the pitching staff?!

    Posted by 3Case August 1, 08 06:40 PM
  1. I am not that worried about Ortiz losing the protection of Manny. Go back and look how many times Manny was walked intentionally to get to Ortiz and pick up the double play opportunity with DO then getting a steady diet of cutters down and away and fastballs away out of the strikezone. Curious how Manny's recent production w/out DO in the lineup was pretty diminished. DO is INTENSE during the game so don't be fooled by the Big Papi smiles and glad hands. He is all business during the game and expects to hit the ball EVERY at bat. If you could get him to speak candidly on the matter I am sure it ticked him off that MR didn't take winning anywhere as seriously as he does.

    Posted by Howie Long August 1, 08 07:10 PM
  1. Have any of you been watching baseball recently. With or without Manny the 2008 Red Sox destiny was sealed beginning in Anaheim and ending in Boston and it had nothing to do with Manny Ramirez's tirades. The LAAs are the American League champs. The Sox may make the playoffs, but their season is over. So trading Manny for Jason Bay now was extremely expedient, regardles of his character. It was becoming apparent the Sox weren't going to exercise the options, so why not get a proven commodity in Bay, compared to only draft choices, after Manny signs with someone else. Brandon Moss appears to be a good young outfielder, but has not proven anything and was out of options and most likely would have been lost by the Sox next year, also. Craig Hansen simply needs a change of venue. Maybe the Sox gave up too much, but they now have money to spend for other needs next year. The only other thing that might have happened differently, and perhaps the brass tried this, would have been to replace Moss with Coco Crisp in the trade. Anyway, it's been along time since Sox fans have said this, but "Wait til Next Year", this season was essentially lost before Manny went on the warpath.

    Posted by MiSoxFan August 1, 08 07:24 PM
  1. The press can write whetever thy want, but the reality is that the Red Sox are NOT a better team and are NOT going anywhere anymore. The Yankees are stronger and favorite now. The press is to be blamed for all this show they created. If a players is hurt he is hurt and that's it. But the media talks and talks and brainwashes people.

    Posted by jomapogo August 1, 08 07:37 PM
  1. The people who have commented that this was a poor deal done by the FO, have not asked themselves the question why?
    Because despite his still excellent bat, NOBODY(bar the Dodgers at the 11th hour) wanted his selfish, delusional and disruptive presence in their team, despite the obvious production he woud provide. Even 2 months with him was too much for other teams to bother!!!

    Posted by Tony August 1, 08 11:51 PM

  1. The Bosox have always, with easily countable exceptions, treated good players like crap and tossed out the best before they did their best work. This column shows the typical Boston self-righteousness in full bloom.

    Pretty simple. Before Manny, no World Series championship since early in the 20th century. Manny is coupled with Papi and the best baseball seen in Fenway in generations. Boston could do with a little less of this crappy attitude.

    Posted by Brewster Manny Fan August 2, 08 12:26 AM
  1. I think that the Sox made a mistake. What they should have done was keep Manny but send him down to Pawtucket for the remainder of the season. Then they should have exercised their option and kept him for the next two years, but kept him in Pawtucket. Sure, it would have cost them $47M and Sox ownership would have "bitten off their nose to spite their pursestrings". But it would have cost Manny more. Let him hit against minor league pithching for two and one half years, and set many minor league records. At the end of this period, see who will pick him up, and what would they pay him, Let him see what he gave up by not setting any potential major league records . Maybe it would be good for baseball to teach these multi- million dollar players that baseball means more than money.

    Posted by Phil A August 2, 08 12:31 AM
  1. Everything was fine with Manny (the majestic home runs, the hits, the laughs, the Manny Moments. UNTIL...............He quit on his teammates with a "sore knee." When he quite on his teammates, it was time to go. Thanks for the memories, Manny, but good riddance to a non-team player, er, hitter.

    Posted by Kibitzer August 2, 08 12:46 AM
  1. From a guy who lives 10,000 miles away and with Manny's pic on my desktop, arms raised in homerun glory, I have to agree with the first post. If we get addition by subtraction then it's a good deal... no debate. The end result is not trying to win a fantasy baseball title, it's trying win a World Series. We're on a better track then we were a couple of days ago and it appears even all the clubhouse leaders feel that.

    Bay can play, he's cheap for another year when he'll produce a 280/25/100... and we've got the cash to now decide on CC or Texeria for next season's long term replacement.

    Mental Peace to all.

    Posted by stevefiji August 2, 08 01:20 AM
  1. The Red Sox should sue Boras for tortious interference. Manny didn't create the tank, sit-down strike, hit people plan. A greedhead who made nothing on 2 option years did.

    Posted by Sue happy August 2, 08 04:38 AM
  1. I will miss Manny. But it's time to move on. As many bloggers have rightfully pointed out, it's about team effort, not individual talent. Jason Bay is a refreshing addition to a solid team, and they need a team player with class, who's selfLESSness will be contagios and welcomed by teammates with open arms. We'll get our reliever, or two, sit tight Nation. This could be a major shot in the arm and time will tell. Welcome Jason with open arms, it will pay dividends.

    Posted by Rick Brunelle August 2, 08 11:06 AM
  1. To above mentioned:

    Dodgers vs. D-backs 9th inning 6-4-3 We have seen our share of those moments in past years also

    Wonder who the new leader in K's will be for Boston

    Dodgers don't swing the bats very well. Hmmmmmm. Wonder how that will affect
    Knucklehead being Knucklehead

    Knee looked great last night . . .I have watched Knucklehead play thousands of times . . he never looked so fast. Opps He turned a single into a double earlier in the game by not hustling.

    Alot of character to quit on your teammates - wonder if his paychecks ever took their time getting to him.

    In conclusion, I think Red Sox fans should salute Henry, Warner, Lucchino and Epstein for trying to work with a cancer that they inherited.

    BUT . . . lets learn from this situation. Dice is NO LONGER in Japan . . . he is winning but not pitching like a 20 million dollar pitcher. Its time for him to LISTEN
    to EXPERTS IN THE WEST . . . contracts with such silly cluases needed to be reconsidered Theo . . he not nearly as good as he could be.

    GO Sox . . . see ya at the White House again next March

    Posted by John James August 2, 08 11:16 AM
  1. Good deal - good riddance. This guy is cracked. He may be able to hit but he is an absolute moron. A half hour after the trade he has his mouthpiece tell the Sox nevermind? Manny as Roseanne Rosannadana? Good riddance to the 36 year old adolescent . Be nice to Joe Torre for a couple of months and cut the dreadlocks and you'll get another fat contract. You can regrow them and slide back into your real mean and bitter personna. Nobody will notice out there anyway they're to busy looking at each other and wondering if that was realy Doris Day that walked by or just another Hollywood Boulaivardiere in drag. Adios Muchacho.... or whatever... just grow up the act has grown thin.

    Posted by Yeomans August 2, 08 11:53 AM
  1. To all of you Manny "supporters":
    Manny did NOT want the Sox to pick up his option. Manny wanted to be a free agent because he ( thanks to Boras no doubt) wants a 4-year deal NOW. HE knows he's going to be 2 years older if the Sox picked up his 2 options, and signing anything but a 1 year deal for WAY less money at that point was a certainty. This was a calculated move, FORCING the Sox to get rid of him. Now manny will be free to try and get a lucrative 4-year deal at season's end.
    Manny HAD TO GO. He ( as has been alluded to by some of his teamates) had lost the respect of the other 25 players in that locker room. You know, the ones MANNY QUIT ON, FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GREED AND GAIN.
    This trade was the best management could get to resolve this Manny situation. It is what it is.
    Is Manny a better hitter than Jason Bay? Of course. The question however IS do the other ( dedicated) guys on the team have ANY confidence that Manny will play as hard as they do (or At ALL ) when they need him most? Manny has Quit on his teamates for his own personal gain. And to do that, he's got alot of nerve to expect "respect" from anyone. When you show no respect , you don't get, or deserve any.
    Yes Manny was a BIG part of the Sox' success and 2 WS titles. And if he simply showed up for work and played hard and to win ALL the time ( that 3-pitch, bat on the shoulder, middle-finger to management, the fans, and his teamates, against the Yankees ring any bells?) he would still be on the team. The Sox would have no-doubt, picked up his option for next season. But THAT'S what Manny DIDN'T want. Manny wanted to be a free agent, so he acted like an ass, gave up on his teamates, and challenged the front office to trade him. He got what he wanted.
    Funny side note: Manny ( through Boras of course) called Theo within 60 minutes of being told he was traded, and asked to stay in Boston. Adding that he would cause no further "trouble" this season ...... As long as the SOX dropped the 2 option years from his contract.
    WOW!
    Ladies and Gentlemen ( and you Manny loving idiots who support him no matter how many times he figuratively wipes his backside with you) That is PROOF POSITIVE that this whole "episode" was a calculated decision by Manny ( Boras whispering in his ear ? ya think?) to get him out of the contract HE willingly signed, one way or the other, he wanted it HIS WAY or he would just QUIT ON THE TEAM. Just like in 2006, when he basically sat-out the last 6 weeks of the season. Does "The Boston Massacre" ring any bells? There is no way the Sox management, his teamates, or the fans should trust this clown ever again.
    None of this is because of poor management by Tito, or the FO, or media manipulation, or any of the several idiotic conspiracy theories I've seen. Manny for once, is being held accountable for HIS OWN ACTIONS. And I say it's about damn time.
    Thanks for the memories Manny. Good luck, and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

    Posted by Steve G August 2, 08 12:09 PM
  1. I really have no idea why Dodgers fans are chiming in and ripping Sox fans today. Honestly, us Boston fans don't care about your team. Go ahead and win the NL Worst, errr, West, and then get swept in the first round by the Cubs. Nice crowd for first pitch last night by the way. That's a great tradition you have going there. Try accounting for the traffic some time...

    Anyway, to those real baseball fans that are chiming in, I'll echo a lot of the sentiments expressed on this board. I have absolutely LOVED watching Manny Ramirez hit for the Red Sox over the last eight years. I've giggled at his antics and perpetual smile and cheered wildly when he crushed pitches. You always knew that whenever Manny started drilling line drives to right, you were about to settle in for a two or three week TEAR which would culminate with him destroying balls over everything in left.

    I was hugely relieved that they didn't trade him at the deadline in '06 and absolutely recognize his unbelievable role in two world championships. With that said, I cringed in '06 when he suddenly developed a bad knee after they got swept five straight by the MFY's. I pretended that I didn't know that he was faking it. I dismissed the multiple hammie flare-ups that would inevitably occur on getaway day before an off-day. I ignored the multiple grandmother funerals, etc. I was just flat-out a huge fan of Manny Ramirez.

    That started to change a couple months ago. The Youkilis thing was just weird. The McCormick thing was completely inexcusable. The bat on his shoulder vs. Mariano was maddening. The fake knee injury in game 1 last week vs the Yankees was infuriating. Dogging it down the line in a NO-HITTER was mystifying (anybody see how hard he ran down the line last night for LA??? I swear, I've never seen him run that hard - ever!). Then the STUPID, choreographed comments this week put me (and I suspect most of RSN) over the edge. For him to attack management's negotiation tactics was really strange when they've never negotiated with HIM before. Obviously it was very clear that a little bird named Boras was chirping in his ear. After all, Boras stood to make no money under Manny's current contract and options. Interesting that Manny met with Boras at the All Star break and immediately started these shenanigans.

    Anyway, I'm sorry to see him go. We obviously got the short-end of the deal, but everybody knew that was gonna happen. Theo et al. had zero leverage. I'm actually happier with what they got in this trade than I was at the '04 deadline with Nomar. I'm now a big Jason Bay fan, and I wish Manny well in LA, where he'll play in obscurity in front of heartless fans - just the way he wants it.

    Posted by Billy in CT August 2, 08 12:38 PM
  1. What did nomar and rocket ever do for the sox's? They never won a world series. Rocket won around 35 games over his last five years, are we forgetting that, and Nomar was always on the disabled list. Good move by the soxs, go for youth. Teams should boycott and Boras players and not sign them. Than Boras will disappear from the scene.

    Posted by bruce meyer August 2, 08 02:00 PM
  1. Sometimes the Boston fans baffle me. You dump a selfish, greedy and lazy punk for a hard working character player who already gets it and you complain because we lost a reliever with a career ERA of 6.15 and a AAAA outfielder. Moss is a nice player but Boston is better with Coco as the 4th outfielder.

    Masterson is better than Hansen. The bullpen was good last night (4.2 IP, 1 ER) even without Hansen.

    Since 2006, Bay is almost equal to Manny stats wise. He made a catch last night Manny wouldn't have. He delivered in the clutch last night and Manny didn't.

    Posted by Matt G. August 2, 08 03:23 PM
  1. We'll all miss Manny's smile and his incredible bat. But no serious Sox fan will miss his disruption of team chemistry. First, Manny got into it with Youk. Then he got into it with traveling secretary Jack McCormick. Then he started faking injuries and saying the team didn't deserve him. He wanted off of the team and that is what had to happen. It is very unfortunate for the Sox, but Manny willed himself off of the team. Hopefully the team will pull together now that Manny is gone.

    Posted by Lester August 3, 08 04:43 PM
  1. When the morning came and the storm had passed
    And the dismal fog began at last
    To open up before my eyes
    And there I saw to my surprise

    Chains and specks of islands curved
    Where palm trees dipped and seagulls swerved
    And I parked my kayak on a stone
    And yelled across the ocean to his evil throne

    I said "Oh Manny, someday we'll boo you 'til you die
    Oh Manny, Punch you in the Eye
    Manny, we'll boo you 'til you die
    Oh Manny, Punch you in the Eye"

    Posted by Goldie August 4, 08 09:38 AM
  1. Has anyone noticed how white the Sox are now? They started 9 white players in the field on Friday (okay, only 8 1/2 when you count Ellsbury's Native American heritage). Now this is the Red Sox my dad grew up watching.

    Posted by J-Bone August 4, 08 11:55 AM
  1. Regardless he will be missed, no matter how much a goof he was

    Posted by BostonKnucklehead.com August 4, 08 09:48 PM
 

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