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Scott Pioli to Chiefs

Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff January 13, 2009 03:27 PM

Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli is leaving the team to run the Kansas City Chiefs football operation, a league source confirmed to the Globe today.

ESPN's Michael Smith was among the first to report the news this afternoon. The National Football Post also reported this afternoon that Pioli has accepted the job.

In prior reports, the Globe indicated that a potential marriage between Pioli and the Chiefs was gaining momentum.

On Sunday and Monday, the Globe reported that the intensity of talks between Pioli and the Chiefs was rising and that the possibility of him going to Kansas City was looking more like a realistic possibility.

ESPN's Smith also reported that director of player personnel Nick Caserio would take Pioli's job in New England.

Pioli, 43, has been with the Patriots for nine years and won a pair of Sporting News Executive of the Year awards. While the Chiefs were 2-14 a season ago, they are not a hopeless situation. They are expected to be approximately $30 million under the salary cap and own the No. 3 overall selection in the draft.

"To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said in a statement. "From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none.

"On a personal level, the Belichick-Pioli bond runs far deeper than our workplace, as we and our families have shared countless memories away from football. Working side by side with one of my best friends for almost two decades is special enough in itself. But to help each other achieve success beyond our dreams is a blessing and something I will always remember and appreciate."

Pioli is the second significant departure from the Patriots' staff this week. Yesterday, 32-year-old Josh McDaniels, who had been the teams offensive coordinator for three seasons, signed a four-year contract worth $8 million to replace Mike Shanahan as head coach of the Denver Broncos.

Since Belichick became Patriots coach in 2000, McDaniels is the third member of his staff to be tapped for an NFL head coaching job, following defensive coordinators Romeo Crennel, who was hired by the Cleveland Browns in 2005, and Eric Mangini, who left for the New York Jets in 2006 and was hired again by the Browns last week to replace Crennel.

Pioli is leaving his post a year to the day after Patriots college scouting director Tom Dimitroff was hired as the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons.

"On behalf of the entire Patriots organization, I wish Scott continued success in his new role and offer best wishes to his wonderful wife Dallas, and their beautiful daughter Mia," Patriots chairman Robert Kraft said in a statement. "I think Clark Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs have made a very wise hire.”

Also, following up on today's Globe report that special teams coach Brad Seely and special assistant/secondary coach Dom Capers weren't expected to be back with the Patriots, the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes that Seely is expected to join Mangini with the Browns.

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148 comments so far...
  1. This is a very unsettling time, isn't it?

    Pioli has been a pivotal figure.

    Posted by GlasgowPat January 13, 09 03:31 PM
  1. Who's next? I hope Robert Kraft sticks around.

    Posted by Hood January 13, 09 03:36 PM
  1. This sucks.

    Posted by ziggy January 13, 09 03:37 PM
  1. If Seely is in fact going to the Browns, that certainly won't help tensions between Belichick and Mangini (as if they care)

    Posted by Don't Go January 13, 09 03:38 PM
  1. Crennel going back to the browns too

    Posted by Rog January 13, 09 03:40 PM
  1. If there are anymore Rats leaving the ship jump now!!!!!

    Posted by Sportsbozo1 January 13, 09 03:44 PM
  1. wow...WTH!!!

    Posted by maggie January 13, 09 03:49 PM
  1. Pioli will definitely be missed. He deserves credit for being a class act, helping us to 3 championships and not taking a job with a divisional rival.

    Posted by MHaze January 13, 09 03:49 PM
  1. Who has left Belichick, from Parcells to Mangini, and flourished? Nick Saban in college? Anyone, anyone?

    Posted by caveat bettor January 13, 09 03:49 PM
  1. The Chiefs are playoff bound Next year baby. Lets Go Chiefs

    Posted by Big Chief January 13, 09 03:50 PM
  1. Belichick runs that organization ...Pioli only brought in players that Bill signed off on...They'll be fine .BIggest concern is...what are they going to do about that abysmal secondary?

    Posted by MarkuscarcassfromZimbabwe January 13, 09 03:50 PM
  1. As much as it sucks to see McDaniels and Pioli go...its hard to say no when teams are dangling millions upon millions of dollars in front of you.

    Posted by Sully January 13, 09 03:50 PM
  1. A team that misses the playoffs isn't supposed to have its coaching and front office staff poached by other teams. We're getting robbed blind.

    Posted by JM January 13, 09 03:52 PM
  1. Good for you Pioli, you earned it. He deserves a chance to run his own show. He gave us Pats fans many years of great results. First order of business is to fire Herm Edwards (nice guy, but c'mon) and hire Rex Ryan from the Ravens. I hope he can turn around a once proud franchise.

    Posted by MDpatsfan January 13, 09 03:53 PM
  1. i would say parcells has done pretty well - the Dolphins won the AFC East

    Posted by rodolpho January 13, 09 03:53 PM
  1. You certainly can't blame the guy. He had a great run with the Patriots and they were lucky to have him this long. The success of this organization begins and ends with Belichick. I have always believed that and still believe it but the departures are starting to add up. The Pats are still a very good team but there are big challenges ahead.

    Posted by KC January 13, 09 03:53 PM
  1. It's going to be okay. The driving force behind it all is Kraft, who builds redundancies into all his businesses. Belichick is the wizard, and his winning system made all his underlings look good, and maybe better than they are. I believe Caserio will step in and do great things. The personnel evaluation system they use is something that can be learned, it's not innate. We will continue to compete for championships year after year, which is all one can ask.

    Posted by Pete January 13, 09 03:55 PM
  1. I'm unnaturally nervous about this offseason. Normally I'd be fine with all the players nearing the end of their contracts simply because I put trust in Belichick/Pioli. But I'm wondering how Bill will be able to handle FA signings/releases and the draft without Pioli.

    I hate to be pessimistic but I can't help but feel like this is the beginning of the end.

    Posted by Graham January 13, 09 03:56 PM
  1. Not that big of a deal - look at last 3 drafts - we have Mayo, Merriweather and Gostkowski out of 26 picks - dont get me wrong he was / is a great GM but some fresh blood in there could do the pats good

    Posted by Roengardner January 13, 09 03:57 PM
  1. I wish Pioli the best. There's no point in being resentful towards people that leave our organization. We are the class of the league and people are looking to throw more money and more power at our personnel. You can't fault them for taking these opportunities. If these people were top-notch computer programmers or marketing directors, none of us would even notice their switching of companies.

    With that said, as long as Belichick is around, we'll be fine.

    Posted by andyp7862 January 13, 09 03:58 PM
  1. Guys it just shows what type of Organization the Patriots have. If you weren't expecting this then shame on you. New England will alwyas have top of the line coaching as long as Bellicheck and Kraft are around. We'll just re-load and move on,

    Posted by bus January 13, 09 03:58 PM
  1. This isn't about rats. It is about a guy improving his position. Belichick is in total control at NE. Pioli will get to run the show in K.C. Cap room, high draft pick, and an up and coming QB in Thigpen. Give him thanks and credit and move on.

    Posted by Sam D January 13, 09 03:59 PM
  1. I hope the Patriots fail so we can get back to normal pricing. 170 dollars per ticket? Kraft has treated the season ticket holders like dirt and raised prices on everything. How much is enough? Greedy people, crooked Clinton's got us into this economic mess and the Patriots accension to elite team status symbolizes this. I was OK with the metal bench and 4 dollar beer, It's football afterall. It would be great to have another NFL team in our market. Think about it, there is a 10 year waiting list to get season tickets. Open up a team in Providence, help that depressed economy and bring the prices back down. Screw Kraft, he has been screwing us for years now, stop being Sheeple and stand for something. Hey Not For Nuthin; Providence Steamrollers baby!

    Posted by SickOfSheeple January 13, 09 04:05 PM
  1. who cares about Seely? He's a good enough coach, but they get torched a lot on special teams. And if they don't want to be here, who needs them?

    Posted by Ed January 13, 09 04:07 PM
  1. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND...CHEATERS!

    Posted by RYAN January 13, 09 04:07 PM
  1. Best of luck, Scott. You'll be missed.

    As long as Belichick and Kraft are around, the Patriots will be fine.

    Posted by JimR January 13, 09 04:09 PM
  1. Not to to a shot at Scott, but how many underlings of Coach Belichick have been successful when they left. I hope he is more successful than his predecessors were

    Posted by phil0670 January 13, 09 04:11 PM
  1. the guy behind pioli, nick caserio, is a bright guy and a former college teammate of mcdaniels. Pats will be alright, in bill we trust. Crennel comes back too i would imagine, make him D coordinator and make Pees DB coach.....

    Posted by ric January 13, 09 04:15 PM
  1. Calm down everyone...this is the price of success!

    Success = Opportunities!

    Get a Life!

    There will be a 2009 season!

    Posted by Barry January 13, 09 04:15 PM
  1. Pioli did a fine job for the Pats. I don't blame him for moving on. And I don't see why an influx of new blood for the Patriots is necessarily a bad thing. Let's Shore up the defense at CB and LB in the first 3 rounds along with perhaps one FA and use rounds 4-7 to see if we can sneak in a useful WR or OL.

    Posted by BobL January 13, 09 04:15 PM
  1. Good luck scott. The world is about to find out that you are nothing without BB. I suppose you will at least be laughing all the way to the bank.

    Posted by rickb101 January 13, 09 04:17 PM
  1. This will only serve to cement Belichiks greatness and prove tot he world that HE is the best football mind to ever roam the earth/turf

    Posted by Joey January 13, 09 04:19 PM
  1. Thanks for the great run Pioli. You will be missed and I hope you turn things around in KC (But I still hope the Pats beat you). I think Caserio will step in and not miss a beat. We do need Brady to come back and for them to fix the secondary.

    Posted by DrewBledsoe January 13, 09 04:20 PM
  1. Ryan,

    How does that make any sense? Seems like a lot of NFL teams are interested in the "cheaters."

    Posted by Jay January 13, 09 04:20 PM
  1. Good for Scott. Let's hope Bill can find someone who is as good as he in identifiying the best (and smartest) talent.

    Posted by Soxfan January 13, 09 04:22 PM
  1. Thanks to Scott, for playing an integral part in bringing 3 Super Bowl championships to the best sports city in the country. For his work ethic, determination, and uncanny ability to work together with Bill Belichick, and for producing the best 10 year run. which with the salary cap, free agency, and high priced attitudes of today, is undoubtedly the best the sport has ever seen.

    Posted by rb January 13, 09 04:23 PM
  1. Good Luck Scott You will need it Kansas city sucks Another Ex Pats employee that will fall flat on his face . The brains here are Bob Bill Dante and Ernie. All the other are replaceable bit players.

    Posted by biilw January 13, 09 04:23 PM
  1. Kraft is a business man and a smart one at that. He will find great replacements

    He raised tickets prices 40% just in time. He could never raise the tickes now.

    Posted by Andyb January 13, 09 04:23 PM
  1. That's just life in the NFL (Not For Long). Pats overcame losses of Crennel and Weis, which at the time seemed more monumental. They'll be fine as long as Kraft and BB are there. You have to believe they foresaw these possible losses, and have a plan in place. There are BB disciples all over the place. Keep the faith!

    Posted by Chip from CT January 13, 09 04:25 PM
  1. Pioli is a loss but nothing that can't be overcome. The coaches are a dime a dozen so not a big deal. Look at the Coordinators who have left recently and what they did as head coaches. Yikes good luck Denver. I would bring Crennel back if he is interested he is a good coordinator. As for Offensive Coordinator doesn't matter who they bring in or promote. The offense is what it is no matter who is calling the plays. They are efficient and can be dominant in a blink of an eye.

    Posted by Rich A January 13, 09 04:26 PM
  1. Congrats to Scott Pioli on his new position. He was a loyal employee while he was here and he has earned the opportunity to build his own program and to stand on his own. The team he leaves here has a rock solid foundation and we should not panic that he is leaving - this was NEVER all about one person running the show and it NEVER will be.

    Scott, Good luck in KC and thanks for all you've done here in New England!

    Posted by Matt Mac January 13, 09 04:26 PM
  1. Good luck Scott, great job with putting in place a system that ensures a continuity of competitiveness. My fellow Pats fans...I have followed the team since 1960..the team will be fine under the stewardship of Bob Kraft & Coach Bill. One other thing.....GINO CAPPELLETTI BELONGS IN THE PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME !!

    Posted by FRANK DELFINO January 13, 09 04:26 PM
  1. Weiss, Crennell, Mangini, McDaniel, Dimitroff, now Pioli, Seely and Capers! All we have to worry about is if Bill Belichick leaves, then and only then we have a problem. I have full confidence BB will have the Patriots back in the Super Bowl hunt in 2009! Good Luck to Pioli and the others.

    Posted by Mike January 13, 09 04:26 PM
  1. Big deal.

    Belichicick is still there.

    Posted by scarface January 13, 09 04:26 PM
  1. Not a surpise but he will be missed. Once a guy starts looking, its 90% likely he will be gone. The Pats are over achievers and they will lead other teams to covet their players and coaches. I think Cleveland missed the boat here. I would much rather have Pioli than Mangini, the owner got impatient and made another bad move. Best of luck Scott.

    Posted by BostonNeal January 13, 09 04:28 PM
  1. This just adds more to the legacy of Bill B. The man's a genious. There's Bill B. disciples spread out through the NFL. Everyone wants a little bit of New England. After seeing Bill with Kraft at the BCS championship, Bill calls the shots.
    He still deserves coach of the year after what he pieced together this year.
    I can't wait to see what the Pats will look like for 09.

    Posted by joe B January 13, 09 04:29 PM
  1. We may be able to work some trades. It's always nice to be on the same page with each other.

    Posted by jimbo January 13, 09 04:31 PM
  1. rog. crennel is not going back to the browns. dont believe everything you read

    Posted by pj1 January 13, 09 04:32 PM
  1. Thanks for the memories and good luck (except when you play the Pats). You've earned it. I would probably do the same if in your moccasins.

    Posted by Chief NH January 13, 09 04:33 PM
  1. Yo Ryan - your mommy's calling. Better go home before she grounds you.

    Posted by Crowlz January 13, 09 04:33 PM
  1. Player personnel is not just one guy, folks. The NFL is corporate. We WILL do fine without Pioli and McDaniels. Belichick knows what he needs, and the scouting staff have their blueprint in front of them.
    Oh, and what happens when key folks leave the Pats? Crennel and Weis? Wow, they're pretty much toast. The Pats suffered from key injuries in the 3 yrs w/o them.
    Everyone knows BB signs off on all final decisions. Period. Buck stops there.
    Pioli will be puling his non-hair for 3-4 years to make the Chiefs remotely relevant again.
    His first order of busines should be to dump Pollard. LOL.


    Posted by nick January 13, 09 04:34 PM
  1. It's kind of amazing everyone left all at once. I guess this is the year where their are a lot of job openings. Pioli earned his payday but he won't be down on the field doing what Belichek and the coaches do. The show will go on and Brady will be back next year as well not in Cleveland or Denver.

    Posted by jd January 13, 09 04:35 PM
  1. Remember, when one door closes, another door opens. This could indeed be serendipity. Freshness and new ideas is what makes the NFL exciting. This could be one of the biggest positive moments in Patriot history. We won't lose the next Super Bowl because our play calling will be better and our CB draft picks will no longer be midgets. Think about it. This is a pivotal moment in time.

    Posted by Nordville Parks January 13, 09 04:36 PM
  1. This just plain sucks. Pioli built this team! Where are you Robert Kraft? No other team can take him if you promote him! WTF?

    Posted by John January 13, 09 04:36 PM
  1. Nothing is as constant as change. As long as Bob Kraft owns the Patriots and Bill Belichick coaches the team, our franchise is in better suited to adapt to change than any other franchise in the league.

    Posted by Peter M. January 13, 09 04:37 PM
  1. good luck scott... new england will be fine... hope we meet up with the chiefs in the afc championship soon.... f the browns and magat-gini

    Posted by brownshater January 13, 09 04:37 PM
  1. Scott Pioli is a complete class act and a highly skilled and accomplished football executive. I am very bullish on the KC Chiefs because of his hire!

    Posted by Steve P. January 13, 09 04:39 PM
  1. anyone else hear that??? sounds like the end.

    Posted by RC January 13, 09 04:39 PM
  1. Bring back Vincent Brisby!!!

    Posted by CJ January 13, 09 04:39 PM
  1. Parcells has NEVER won so much as a conference championship without Bill Belicheck at his side. I dont think any premier team in the NFL has a goal of "just" winning its division.
    As for Nick (I cant compete in the NFL) Saban he didnt fair so well as Bama fans had hoped. Very poor finish!!!
    "i would say parcells has done pretty well - the Dolphins won the AFC East

    Posted by rodolpho January 13, 09 03:53 PM"

    Posted by Al January 13, 09 04:40 PM
  1. Go Chiefs!

    Posted by kcfan1 January 13, 09 04:41 PM
  1. Why?

    Posted by wayne January 13, 09 04:43 PM
  1. Parcells drafted Vincent Brisby, he is a genius for doing that!!!!

    Posted by CJ January 13, 09 04:45 PM
  1. OK...It's time for Crennel and Weiss to come back to Belichick.

    Posted by bpscuba January 13, 09 04:46 PM
  1. To all who say this will be the end of the Patriots, then you really do not understand how things work in Foxboro. Everyone in life reaches a time when a great opportunity presents itself as it has for McDaniels and Pioli.Kraft has built a great organization which is and always has been led by Belichick. He has the final say on everything that goes on inside that building as it relates to the football operation. I am sure that BB has had a plan in place since it has already been announced the Caserio will take Pioli's place. Nick Caserio has worked on both the coaching staff and the front office so I am sure he has a good understanding on the type of players that fit the Patriot mold.

    We still have the glue that holds this organization together in Bii Belichick we trust.

    To all the naysayers, please get off the bandwagon and go cheer for a "playoff team"

    The real fans of this team know the true story.

    Posted by ampats January 13, 09 04:47 PM
  1. Bellichick is a bum. the patriots are bums deal with it. and class of the league ya maybe low class with your dirty hits and cheating to win by taping the other teams. all this proves is people want to jump ship before bellichick takes them down with him.

    Posted by brad January 13, 09 04:48 PM
  1. Bring back Victor Kayam!!!

    Posted by OMP January 13, 09 04:49 PM
  1. everybody settle down, what else does this team have to prove? they win as long as Belechik and the core group of players stays. Big 2009 season for the PATS!! haters be warned.

    Posted by gcoveno January 13, 09 04:49 PM
  1. I honestly never thought he'd uproot his family to move to Podunk, USA. I'm surprised by that aspect alone.

    Posted by The Butcher January 13, 09 04:51 PM
  1. Sportsbozo1: "If there are anymore Rats leaving the ship jump now!!!!!"

    Geez, you really are a "bozo."

    Give me a break. Pioli performed his duty with the Patriots with nothing but professionalism and is a huge reason the Pats have been so successful. Now, he's leaving for a higher ranking job that pays better. That doesn't make him a "rat." I imagine that's what just about anyone here, including you, would do with their careers in their respective fields.

    Posted by bizona January 13, 09 04:51 PM
  1. Let's get on with it already. McDaniels, Pioli and Seely are gone, fine. Now let's find their replacements and start building the 2009 version of the Pats. All of this turnover is negating the advantage of getting an extra month of preparation time due to missing the playoffs.

    Get some bodies hired or promoted and get ready for the draft and free agency ...

    Posted by Gregg January 13, 09 04:53 PM
  1. Funny how people want to pile on NE after the spygate bs but people in the know around the league still look to NE first for coaching and personnel tallent. Everyone thinks they can duplicate the success in NE, but coaches and players that leave the braintrust struggle more often than not. Pioli might prove to be the first real success story of someone leaving the fold. He will be sorely missed. Hope the new fella has some of that same bravado!

    Bring Kirk Ferentz in to coach the O!

    Posted by Patsphan January 13, 09 04:53 PM
  1. Wow, with Pioli at the helm, I think the Chiefs might make it to 5-11 next year.

    Let's go Chefs! Let's go Chefs! Let's go Chefs!


    Posted by Hawkeye January 13, 09 04:54 PM
  1. Nevermind trying to bring along Thigpen. If Brady is healthy, I could definitely see Cassel heading to KC via a trade once he gets franchised. Herm is a goner. He's a terrible coach anyway. If I'm a Chief's fan, I'm definitely psyched. They will definitely be in the mix in the AFC West.

    Posted by shawn January 13, 09 04:58 PM
  1. Well, it certainly proves how others teams view the Patriot organization and its coaching staff. From Weiss, to Crennel, to Mangini a few years ago, to McDaniels and Pioli today. Well, as I see it -the players we've drafted have been suspect! Scott who? The defense and special teams suspect! Dean who? But with players like Brady, and Cassell-who if we trade we get first and second round picks for, Moss, Welker, Morris, Faulk, and the offesive line we are still a great offensive team. All I can say is BB is the man and players want to play for him and he's a defensive guy! Bring Junior Seau back to be a coach! Rodney too!

    Posted by Andy January 13, 09 05:02 PM
  1. They all appear to be leaving to make their own mark in the NFL and that's what it's all about... Creating yourself and openinmg your future. Can't stop this as we have had some great years here in New England and we will have more , but we may have to be a little patient in the development cycle...Young blood will come in and the process will start over again.
    Have Faith PATRIOTS Nation... we will be back in the BOWL again some day.

    Posted by Bernie Fallon January 13, 09 05:03 PM
  1. WE STILL HAVE BELICHICK.....AND THATS REALLY ALL THE MATTERS

    Posted by DARRENRYAN January 13, 09 05:03 PM
  1. "All of this turnover is negating the advantage of getting an extra month of preparation time due to missing the playoffs."

    That "advantage" is a myth anyway. People just tell themselves that to feel better about their team missing the playoffs.

    Posted by bizona January 13, 09 05:04 PM
  1. Hey everybody. Take a deep breath. Do the legions of Patriot fans work at their jobs, take educational courses, learn your trade to sit behind the same old desk doing the same old job until you retire? Of course you don't. You work to advance professionally, not stagnate. Why is it any different for Pioli, McDaniels, Mangini, Crennel or anyone else who has left the coaching staff? One works to expand their horizons and professional opportunities. We should thank these men for what they have done for the Patriots and wish them well. As long as these promotions are honest and above board, then go for it. Thank your efforts!!

    Posted by Retiredone January 13, 09 05:06 PM
  1. "brad " and "ryan" - get a life

    Posted by m.g. dow January 13, 09 05:08 PM
  1. Significent loss for Patriots, a great building block for the Chiefs. While I no longer live in Missouri, I remember the "old Chiefs" when they were one of the best franchises in the AFL. "Bon Bon" Peterson didn't live up to his billing, and I'm surprised it took this long to oust him for Pioli to step in. I'm a Texans fan, now. But I still love the Chiefs. Now for a quality head coach that understands offense AND defense are both ingredients for success, and not one at the expense of the other.

    Posted by Ron January 13, 09 05:11 PM
  1. scott pioli is a genius and the chiefs are going to be better then 5-11... pioli will hire steve spagnulo as the coach and our defense will be back to the Derrick Thomas era!!! 9-7

    Posted by lorenzo jordan January 13, 09 05:11 PM
  1. Cheaters? Get a clue!! Cheaters no, arrogance yes!! Also, Clinton to blame for this economy?? Wow, are there some seriously dumb/ignorant folk out there - scary!!!!

    As for Pioli, thanks for all, but see ya!! The Pats under him were feeling more like the Yanks after their final championship, what 8 years ago - a slow fade from superiority into permanent mediocrity. His moves the past 3 years, either through draft and free agency have been average to below, not to mention Pioli's/Belichick's biggest flaw - hiring current defensive coordinator Dean Pees over once/then ideal candidate and blitz expert Jimmie Johnson, now def. coach for Eagles - it only cost us 2 Super Bowls, and possibly a third this year - 3rd and 15/Jets. But first, losing a 21-6 halftime lead to Colts in the AFC Championship. Second, losing last years Super Bowl, where again, his passive, bordering on cowardice, fear-laden, ineffective defensive schemes and lack of timely, repeated and effective blitzing, ensured the halting of the Pats current dynasty, (measured in SB's) and will only continue to slide with Peas calling his inferior, passive defensive game plans. Peas borders on the Mony Beisel of defensive coordinators. Romeo, Romeo, where art though Romeo?!

    Posted by Jeff M. January 13, 09 05:12 PM
  1. Congrats to Pioli. I have faith in Bill B. The Patriots will be back next year, stronger than ever.

    Viva La Pats!

    Posted by Bill Penzo January 13, 09 05:13 PM
  1. this is good....for us in kc.

    Posted by firehermanedwardsnow January 13, 09 05:14 PM
  1. Hey, SickofSheeple. Not only are you cheap! Yoi are an idiot! The Pat's are one of the most succesful franchises in the NFL. They are doing something right.

    Posted by Patsrok January 13, 09 05:17 PM
  1. Last three drafts have been horrible.....not a big deal

    Posted by dan January 13, 09 05:21 PM
  1. Matt Cassel is next to go - look for Cassel to start and Michael Bishop to back him up in KC.

    Posted by Jackie Ryan January 13, 09 05:22 PM
  1. Who are we going to lose next? What team is going to snag the Patriots water-boy?? That's the problem with success is everyone wants a piece of it. Who's left to fill these positions? It's like Van Halen. You can't duplicate success with seconds. It's just not the same. This will hurt the Patriots. So long dynasty, we had our run.

    Posted by bahhhoo January 13, 09 05:22 PM
  1. We're DOOMED. We should just give up hope now! It's all over!

    We'll be fine. Relax. But we also know we're nearing the end of our run -- if we haven't already reached it.

    Posted by John January 13, 09 05:25 PM
  1. Kansas City? Does anyone know where that is?

    Posted by joe January 13, 09 05:25 PM
  1. It's all about the money. Sadly there's no such thing as loyalty in sports anymore. However we will still love our Patriots. Win or lose, the true fans will always support the team.

    Posted by eyeshaveit January 13, 09 05:28 PM
  1. Remember Cleveland. Isn''t that were Bill came from. Maybe Scott Pioli had something had do with it. You Pats fan's or some are idioit's. You are going down.

    Posted by Bryan January 13, 09 05:29 PM
  1. It is truly amazing how some people just aren't satisfied. After living through the dark years when the Patriots truly stunk, had a string on bad/cheap owners we have been spoiled by the Kraft/Belichek era. I the Sullivans or Kiam still owned the team people would be griping about how crappy the team not sniping at the owner, head coach or the staff that have taken the next step to further their careers.

    Posted by bk January 13, 09 05:29 PM
  1. good lord, the wheels are coming off the patriots "dynasty". It won't be long before there are 5,000 in foxboro again in mid-december to see a pats/bills showdown.

    Posted by Bluefox70 January 13, 09 05:40 PM
  1. Its just aGAME.
    Win or lose the players make millions and except for the New England Patriots sports figures are irresponsible people in general. If we took all the accused felons out of sports all we'd be left with is amatuers

    Posted by Tom McMahon January 13, 09 05:44 PM
  1. Thanks Pioli for all the hard work and the THREE championships. There's a reason we're the envy of all the other NFL teams.

    Posted by Tyrone Biggums January 13, 09 05:48 PM
  1. You all sound like BB kissbuts! BB doesn't play the game and he can only play the cards he is dealt. But, he is not the best coach ever. He is a good coach...definately. Think about it. How could he have lost the super bowl last year? He had the top rated offense and defense going into that game. That was a game he was outcoached by someone...tell me that you think the Giants coach is the best coach since Lombardi and I will scream! Of the three super bowls, two were won by last minute filed goals...kicked by someone who is not on the team! I would have rather seen BB leave and McDaniels promoted. McDaniels is who coached and worked with Casel this year. He also called the plays. Tell me who the mastermind is behing the offense...not BB. BB was the defensive guy...they played great this year, right? Don't get me wrong, we owe our superbowls to everyone, includeing BB. But, his time has come. I lost faith in him when he lost that superbowl...not to a better team...but a better coach.

    Posted by scott January 13, 09 05:50 PM
  1. The only Boston sports figure to actually stay with his team given a choice is Mike Lowell, and he was one Mark Texiera signing away from getting traded. Where is the loyalty?

    Posted by Max January 13, 09 05:52 PM
  1. its amazing how everyone takes a shot at coach bill. but they run after his assistants, i don't see anyone raiding the colts staff.

    Posted by jr russo January 13, 09 05:58 PM
  1. BB and Kraft built this organization to last. Cesario was brought in from the field as a coach last year for precisely this reason. Good luck to Scott. He's deserving of this chance. This is part of the business. In BB we trust

    Posted by jim January 13, 09 06:03 PM
  1. The most intriguing question is whether Pioli, besides the money and power, is getting hints from Bill that he is retiring. After all, the Brady era will be coming to an end soon.

    Posted by Dave January 13, 09 06:04 PM
  1. LONG LIVE BILL BELICHICK!!!

    Posted by gooby January 13, 09 06:05 PM
  1. McDaniels, Seely, and now Pioli...it doesn't seem fair that other teams get better at the Patriots expense. They should get draft picks in return.

    Posted by jay January 13, 09 06:06 PM
  1. Sure was a good run, Parcells son -in-law has left us?

    Posted by grrrrr8-1 January 13, 09 06:13 PM
  1. Without question New England has been the class of the NFL, KC is lucky to have this guy join our team. NE will be fine and the Chiefs will just get better by having Pioli running things around Arrowhead-
    Thanks from the Chies Nation

    Posted by KCPHILIP January 13, 09 06:13 PM
  1. I think the retirement of BB should be a concern. If not this year, soon. The departures since the 04 Superbowl show that the coaching/front office infrastructure was a big part of the team's success. Now, no O/C, a weak D/C, no special teams coach, no head of player personnel. How long will BB keep the organization afloat?

    Posted by GP January 13, 09 06:18 PM
  1. Bob Kraft is a very good businessman . If he wanted Pioli to stay he would have paid him more. He rewards his good people in his other ventures. Maybe now we can stop drafting midgets to play in the secondary

    Posted by billw January 13, 09 06:18 PM
  1. Next season the Pats get a second place schedule and will play Denver again. Pioli should fire Edwards and hire Shanahan. That would make it easier for the Chiefs to beat Denver and San Diego every year. Beating them would help the Pats playoff chances by weakening the conference record of those teams. McDaniels is not what Denver needed. He won't help them beat the Pats. Their offense was strong but their defense was bad. They needed a real defensive minded coach.

    Posted by Archimedes January 13, 09 06:23 PM
  1. I'VE BEEN A pATRIOTS FAN FOR 48 YEARS,IT HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER THAN WHEN THE MASTER ARRIVED,"IN BILL BELICHICK WE TRUST"tHE TEAM WILL NOT MISS A BEAT,AND WITH THE DRAFT WE WILL BE BETTER

    Posted by GAZZZMANN January 13, 09 06:25 PM
  1. There is no way you can blame Belichick for the Super Bowl loss. You can blame it on a fluke catch, if you want to blame it on anything. Belichick put them in place to win, all they needed was one more defensive stop and we'd be singing a different song. Not to take anything away from the Giants, they had a great defensive gameplan, but everyone forgets that they were in position to lose had Asante not dropped a sure pick, and Tyree didn't complete the luckiest play of all time. You can't blame miracles on Belichick.

    Posted by Graham January 13, 09 06:32 PM
  1. Calm down, everyone. I am disappointed and sad to see Pioli go. He is a class act. But remember: Kraft and Belichick built this organization. And Brady makes three. As long as those guys are around, the Pats will continue to excel. You don't see anyone raiding the Jets or Giants or Cowboys organizations like this. Why? Because everyone knows they suck. It is a compliment to the Pats. BB will keep them going.

    Posted by Pete G. a.k.a. "Sofachi" January 13, 09 06:37 PM
  1. I don't know why I'm posting, because Comments boards are always filled with trolls. First off, Kansas City, Mo., population 450,000+ Kansas City, Kan., population 142,000 = 592,000. Boston, Mass., population = 608,000. So much for Podunk. Just because you don't know geography doesn't mean you're correct.

    Second, anybody ever hear of this Walsh guy? Used to coach in San Francisco? Had some coaches then lo and behold, left the team and went elsewhere. People leave jobs for new opportunities with new challenges. Deal with it.
    (oh and for the record, I was born in Boston and am I lifelong fan of all Boston teams)

    Posted by PsychoTim January 13, 09 06:37 PM
  1. Remember Bryan, typing isn't just banging your palms on the keyboard.
    Were you trying to write in haiku or something?
    I've been sitting here trying to make sense out of your attempt at an insult, and all I can come up with is that you're high.

    It sounds like you're implying that Scott Pioli helped birth BB. I'll just assume that's what you were going for.
    Good luck getting off the drugs.

    Posted by Tony January 13, 09 06:43 PM
  1. What's this "we" stuff? WE keep losing coaches. WE will be fine. WE lost another key person, etc., etc.

    Time to come back from fantasyland, dweebs. YOU are not the New England Patriots. WE are fans and THEY are successful when you hand over cash to them. If a better, higher paying job comes along, they're gone. Period.

    Stop the mutual admiration society nonsense. It's embarassing.

    Posted by Hoss January 13, 09 06:48 PM
  1. Pioli wants to escape the Cheating reputation anyone associated with the Patriots has.

    Posted by gond36 January 13, 09 06:52 PM
  1. Boston fans do not think there this life WEST OF I 95! I am a hardcore NE sports fan and some of the people need to calm down. BB is still running the show. RELAX!!!!!

    Posted by Bethel Johnson January 13, 09 06:54 PM
  1. thanks and good luck

    Posted by kdeiss January 13, 09 07:00 PM
  1. THOSE CHEATERS!!!!! (Can I have a coach???????) The league and their fans are hypocrites. Go Pats!

    Posted by Brent from MN January 13, 09 07:03 PM
  1. Tony I'm not on drugs. But maybe you are. Where did your coach come from. You think Bill is the reason you won the super bowl. Maybe his office and staff had something do with it. bang your head some where else

    Posted by bryan January 13, 09 07:07 PM
  1. Belichek "lost" the Superbowl? All the Giant's needed was for Asante Samuel to miss a sure interception and have their receiver make a fluke catch on his head! I think some posters would be happier if the near winless 1982 Pats were back. Anyone else remember the battle of the basement aka "The Stuper Bowl' ? The winless Colts vs. the winless Pats?

    Posted by bk January 13, 09 07:07 PM
  1. hey kraft and belichick ...where i can get apply for general manger or take mc daniel s postion or else open postion that i ve skill experience cheat lot of time also know how spygate , too ...i don t need more money instead super bowl of rings !!!!!!

    Posted by dan January 13, 09 07:21 PM
  1. It doesn't sound like the Patriots made any attempt to keep Pioli around. Makes me wonder if the plan is for Belichick to move up to the front office with total personnel control - like Parcells in Miami. He's not going to coach forever. Then maybe some Belichick disciple would become the new head coach - like maybe Weis.

    Posted by Matt January 13, 09 07:28 PM
  1. great leaders and organizations never put all their eggs in one basket. there is a reason they always stay competative and its not just that they have the best coach ever. its because they have great ownership .look at kraft ...he craps gold for crying out loud. they have people ready to step up, hasn't anybody been paying attention. look at what they have lost in the past. the rest of the teams sit around there table waiting for the crumbs to fall.
    It kills me though for as much as the organization has done for the game they still don't get the credit they should. I read all these chumps that visit this site.They want to see what the fans of the best team in the leaque are talking about.I never visit other sites why would I . Why would I care what they have to say.the pats are the best franchise ever. other teams picking them dry is the proof.THE REST OF THE TEAMS WANTS WHAT THEY HAVE. LMAO

    Posted by STHPAW January 13, 09 07:35 PM
  1. What a bunch of freakin babies!!! If you're not with us you're against us. That sure worked for Bush/Cheney.

    Hey andyp you didn't say what part of the Patriots organization you work for!

    Posted by Giants fan January 13, 09 07:40 PM
  1. Robert Kraft has it right.

    "a tremendous job mining all possible resources"

    Belichick has endured other losses in his support cast. The loss of Pioli may be his greatest challenge in the years to come, but I believe in the Hoodie legend. Belichick will one day reside in the Pantheon of the Football Gods.

    Posted by Michael Boisvert January 13, 09 07:50 PM
  1. So lemme get this straight...The Kansas City Chiefs take out Tom Brady for the year less than one full-length game into the season...

    AND get to have Scott Pioli?

    Posted by NineSevenEight January 13, 09 08:03 PM
  1. So lemme get this straight...The Kansas City Chiefs take out Tom Brady for the year less than one full-length game into the season...

    AND get to have Scott Pioli?

    Posted by NineSevenEight January 13, 09 08:03 PM
  1. bk, you're right... unfortunately for those of us who have watched decades of horrible Patriots football, the Pats have become the Yankees to everyone outside NE, basically because Belichick had his cameraman in the wrong position for that Jets game, and Mangini got sprung over turning him in for it... pathetic. I'd probably be sick of a team winning so much also, but I certainly don't troll other newspapers looking for places to vomit my idiocy. Agreed about the SB... the Giants won it fair and square, but no objective person would say the two plays you mentioned weren't exceptionally lucky, especially the Tyree catch. But, the Giants put themselves in the position to have luck determine the outcome in their favor... and that's football. Belichick is the best coach in the business. As far as Pioli leaving, it is a blow, but the Pats have at this point developed a system, and criteria for salaries, player selection and development, trades, etc. Cesario steps into the enviable position of having a clearly defined structure in place... the Pats will be fine.

    Posted by rod willey January 13, 09 08:08 PM
  1. "Bellichick is a bum. the patriots are bums deal with it. and class of the league ya maybe low class with your dirty hits and cheating to win by taping the other teams. all this proves is people want to jump ship before bellichick takes them down with him."-Brad


    It sucks to be you, huh Brad?

    Posted by Brads boyfriend January 13, 09 08:12 PM
  1. 11 and freaking 5 and they can't make the playoffs!?!

    Playoffs!??
    You want to talk about Playoffs??!!
    Don't talk about Playoffs!


    Playoffs!??!!

    Posted by Mark January 13, 09 08:41 PM
  1. You are correct bk... Belichick didn't lose the Super Bowl, Josh McDaniels did, by not having the common sense to make adjustments until midway through the 4th quarter, and when he did, the Pats scored. Unfortunately, the Giants did, too.

    Had McDaniels made the changes as early as the 2nd quarter, the Pats would have had the game well in hand but he continued to call the same things that weren't working and expecting a different result, and we all know that is the definition of insanity. Good Riddance Josh.

    Posted by Mike Allen January 13, 09 08:43 PM
  1. Losing the occasional assistant coach or DC never worried me. It was the system. Losing McDaniels is no problem, just like Weiss, Crennel and Mangina. BBioli was still in control.

    BBioli is no longer. BB is still here, but Pioli left, breaking up BBioli for the short term. This is the beginning of the end for this fine run over the past decade. Half the brain has been removed. It will be only a matter of time before BB leaves New England to rejoin Pioli, in a reduced role.

    BBioli was one of the greatest leadership tandems in sports history - period.

    Posted by Tomen8r January 13, 09 09:00 PM
  1. hey brad being a jets fan and rejected by BB must really hurt,hurt,hurt! u can always jump off a bridge because the jets will be losers for the rest of your sorry life! by the way th pats violated a rule for 7 min.of game 1 and rattled off 18 in a row moron;taping was going on back to Lombardi and was legal up till sept.'07 btw manginis jets were taping pats from corner endzone in '06 and playoff game '07 when we kill your jets, BB said nothing just had camera boy removed; erica mangini was also stealing audible signs from Ravens that year;ask Brian Billick BB has 3 super bowls 4 afc titles and 116-45 record plus 2 twenty game win streaksstreaks!!!

    Posted by corkman1 January 13, 09 09:07 PM
  1. None of this will affect beer sales at Gillette which seems to be the purpose of the place. Try to buy a cup of coffee -- perhaps 2 or 3 places in the stadium. Want a beer. It's everywhere. They'll even bring it to your seat.

    Posted by NewEnglandRules January 13, 09 09:15 PM
  1. hey brad and dan it must be hell to be a jets fan ;it must hurt BB told the jets to shove it;u can always jump off a bridge morons;BB is the best coach in history;only 4 teams have won 3titles in 4 years('40s bears,60s packers,90s cowboys and BB's pats;we own this decade;116-45,tied or won 8 divisions in a row,2 twenty game win streaks,a perfect 16-0 season(never been done) 4 afc titles and 3 super bowls;stop crying the only cheaters are those steroid laden yankee teams;our dynasty will go into next decade and we didnt have to buy our titles;ps '04 yanks biggest chokers in SPORTS history!

    Posted by jack griffin January 13, 09 09:19 PM
  1. I am a firm believer in renewal, wishing Pioli the very best....but after 9 years, we are due for some fresh approaches and concepts. I think we will be Ok as long as B/K are on the same page. Lets not waste any more time as the draft is approaching and I am sure the Pat's hands were tied, not knowing which Pioli was going. B was not going to let Pioli know his strategy until he was sure.

    Posted by George January 13, 09 09:26 PM
  1. I think we have a few more years of Bill B. left and we're going to be looking for a new coach. Constantly losing the people close to him will suck the joy out of coaching. Charlie, Romeo, Pioli, these are people he had spent years with and is very close to. The Pats still have a great team, but clearly this has been a very tough year.

    Posted by Paul T January 13, 09 09:32 PM
  1. brad and dan jealousy is a terrible thing;but i know u are jets jets jets fans and i know it must hurt hurt hurt that that Bill said no to u.we are the team of the decade and your team will be losers forever! most wins most divisions2 twenty game win streaks 4 afc titles and 3 super bowls and a 16-0 season.how do u like those apples.we are in with the packer,steeler,49er,and cowboy dynasties!

    Posted by jack griffin January 13, 09 09:40 PM
  1. 18-1

    Posted by eighteenandone January 13, 09 10:23 PM
  1. Watched the Pats since they began in 1960....My little 10 year old heart was broken when San Diego kicked our butts in 1964. We may not be #1 every year, but at least BB puts a respectable team on the field, not the laughing stock group that I whole heartedly supported during the LEAN years. Go Pats!!!

    Posted by Paulie January 13, 09 11:10 PM
  1. Why didn't Beli dick have the doors locked when Pioli showed up to pick up his garbage? Do you think he'll shake Pioli's head coaches hand? Low class.

    Posted by Jet-fan January 13, 09 11:15 PM
  1. On behalf of all us Chiefs fans I would like to extend a big thank you for such a class guy to have as a G.M.. From what I have been reading here and the many other places for football news, Not only is this Pioli at the top of the class for football front office, but the fans of the pats are a class of there own too. I expected to come here and read alot of garbage about him being a trader or him leaving for a team like KC. I think alot of football fans could learn alot about true sportsmanship from reading the posts here. Good luck in 2009-2010

    Posted by Robert Grey January 13, 09 11:24 PM
  1. What in the Hell is Kraft thinking? How can they let such a mastermind like Pioli leave over money? Yes BB makes final decisions on roster and fielding a team and coaches but who in the heck do you think was doing the referring of who to sign or draft or decisions that were brought to BB attention? It was Pioli. The prices of tickets have increased and we as Patriot fans are getting less product. Next year we will be lucky to finish 9-7.

    Posted by Patluvr January 14, 09 12:20 AM
  1. I wonder if Pioli can trade us that #3 draft pick for Cassel

    Posted by grambo January 14, 09 12:23 AM
  1. its so hilarious ,ny fans(most likely jets fans) trying to insult an 18-1 team that was going for their 4th super bowl win in 7 seven years,after a perfect 16-0 season. thats like joan rivers trying to insult a victoria secrets model! or a clipper fan making fun of the celtics and lakers! what losers they must really be depressed ;go comment in the ny papers u cowards;youre like the kid who throws a sucker punch and runs to his teacher yelling "joey hit me"! go away or ill come to your mommys basement (no doubt thats where u live) and take your computer and sesame street videos away! btw BB is 111-32 with cassell and brady.

    Posted by corkman1 January 14, 09 09:04 AM
  1. NY fan's are obnoxious and crude. They need a hug. Spend all that money and can't win a dang thing.

    Posted by Al Franken January 14, 09 09:34 AM
  1. hey ny; we repeated!!!! ha ha ha ! actualy we won 3 in 4 years;jets always losers,giants back to being losers! giants were actually 2-14 in title games before B.Belichick helped parcells win those 2 in the '80s and we know it was BB who stopped the high powered bills and broncos offenses. parcells never won a conf.championship or super bowl w/o Belichick on his side! we know who the real genius was he has 5 rings to prove it!

    Posted by corkman1 January 14, 09 10:02 AM
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